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15 March 2015 @ 08:13 pm
6.16 - 'The Downward Spiral' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Much later than usual, but it's a good thing because I do believe I came up with some thoughts that otherwise would not have percolated had I rushed this when I wasn't ready. :)

I generally don't talk about direction of an episode all that much (except you know when I'm bitching about you know who, ahem), but since another one of our lovely actors directed this episode I figured I would start with that. The lovely actor in question this time around was the loveliest of them all… Mr. Ian Somerhalder. *sigh* So lovely, so very, very lovely. Wait, I'm sorry, where were we? Oh, right, the directing. Give me a second, let me wipe off my drool. Sorry, ya'll, sometimes I just get lost in how truly beautiful the man is. Seriously, good genes, ya'll. Damn good genes. So how did he do?

Overall, I think he did stellar. There were a few glitches which I'll start with, but really. There were a few too many quick cuts at the start of the episode that were a wee bit noticeable, and a few distracting shots slightly off from behind Damon focused on Kai in the first boarding house scene between the two. And the most egregious was a really quick cut in the final Damon/Kai scene that felt like they forgot to snip it in editing. Other than that though, it's all good. Really, really good. They were just rookie mistakes that will be smoothed over with experience. Now on with the good.

He kept up the pace throughout the whole episode; things felt like they were moving. For contrast, remember (sorry Paul) "Woke Up With A Monster" where that episode felt so static, almost like they were in quicksand despite the fact that a kidnapping had happened and things should have felt intense and almost frantic? This episode, we felt the intensity. Even in the Damon and Kai scenes where you just had two characters talking, you felt the tension and anxiety because of the way the scenes surrounding that storyline tangentially related (Bonnie and her PTSD issues) were being built, and the way we had the close-ups on Damon at certain points, the pull-aways, Kai's long shots, the length of shots, etc.

That built the tension, the anxiety so that you felt what Damon was feeling. It never felt slow-moving, it never felt meandering. And considering this episode took place over only a few hours that was impressive. It was fast-paced and energetic. Also despite covering several different locations, it didn't feel jumpy but rather smooth. And like I said it was high-energy, however when needed we did slow down for character beats like when Bonnie had her character breakdown moments, Stefan almost reaching Caroline, and Damon realizing who and what his mother was.

And then there were three individual moments that I can't get out of my head because they were so gorgeously done. The first was early on in the episode. Stefan and Elena were on the phone and the shots of Stefan in Caroline's empty house were just framed and lit beautifully. The emptiness around him like it was swallowing him whole and then the wooden squares of the ceiling were hanging over him like they were boxing him in. And then the next shot was him walking through the hallway and there were two big windows opposite each other, one dark, the other lit and it made the hallway look longer and almost never ending and at the same time, Stefan's voice was growing louder, angrier, his frustration growing. The visual image of Stefan looking like he was walking in an endless loop matched and compounded his vocals. It was brilliant.

 

And I have to be honest, I didn't even realize just *how* brilliant it was until I began to analyze the scene and break it down. Mr. Somerhalder, you do indeed have a future in directing. You truly do.

The second sequence is one that I'm sure everyone noted and loved… Miss Caroline sitting atop the bar. The center framing of it, Caroline without her normal brightness, now as black as her humanity-less soul, her animated face no longer visible to us and that gorgeous coloring around her dark silhouette. Oh, and that fiery red shade of the color around her. What it symbolized was perfection. Caroline had just summoned Stefan to come to her and it was as if she was inviting him straight into Hell. And, of course, by episode's end, his switch is off and he is behind that very bar, partying in Hell with her. Which brings us to the final sequence, my third favorite one… from Paul Wesley's acting, to the way the camera smoothly slides from Stefan to Caroline with that cat-ate-the-canary smile before pulling back to show the both of them casually lounging in hedonistic pleasure. Just so perfect.

 

So, yeah, there were a few glitches, and, interestingly (or maybe tellingly?) all were in scenes that involved Ian Somerhalder himself, but, again, I think those were just rookie mistakes, but overall, Somerhalder absolutely did a fabulous job. He truly has fantastic instincts as a director and brought a visual style to the episode that was outstanding. I hope we see more from him (and I'm sure that we will).

Of course he was aided by another wonderful script by my favorite writer Caroline Dries and her cohort Brian Young (who is not my favorite but does quite nicely when paired with Dries). As always, they did a lovely job with the continuing story of Stefan and Caroline. One of the things that I don't think I've touched on as much with regards to their growing love story that I want to focus on here is Stefan's growth. I mean, yes, I've talked about it, but not in length. I've spent more time just squeeing about the two of them, how good they are together, how pretty they are, their chemistry, what they do for each other. But I really wanted to focus on Stefan here because, let's be real, this is not really *really* Caroline. As amusing as all get-out as she was (much like Elena with her switch off was), while she's a part of Caroline, she's not the whole package Caroline, this is not the girl that Stefan loves. So let's focus on Stefan.

I am so freaking unbelievably proud of him. You have no idea. I honestly think that this is the first episode we have ever had where there was literally not one single shade of denial, not one word, not one hint, nada, zip, zero. Boy was having none of it. He was basically done with that shit. For Caroline, he was ready to throw in the towel and go all in. Elena even tried to give him an out, and he was like ‘nope, I screwed up. I wasn't honest, I tried to side-step, play the denial game, and here's where we're at. It's on me.' Yes, he was taking responsibility, but he wasn't playing the martyr. There was a difference.

In the past, Stefan would take the blame for things that he had no hand in, that were beyond his control, that he only peripherally was involved in, six degrees of Stefan Salvatore. But this time, he was directly responsible. If he had given her that truth and honesty, if he hadn't been in denial and given Caroline that bit of sunshine on one of her darkest days, she would have had that comfort to hold onto. But instead he was too busy being Mr. Denial boy because he's lived in that land for so long. So Damon was wrong because, as revealed in the last outing, when it comes to love, Damon actually doesn't know his brother as well as he thinks.

However, this time, Stefan finally sucked it up and let the denial go. Sure, as Caroline said, it only took two years, her mother's cancer-ridden death and Caroline flipping her humanity switch, but hey, better late than never, right? Still, he did it. And I was proud of him. I was also incredibly proud of him for flipping his switch, choosing to make that choice. Elena doesn't get it because Elena doesn't fully get just how selfish a person Stefan is (you know, Elena and her very understandable rose-colored glasses when it comes to Stefan), but we do. And while we've seen it throughout the series, Stefan's lack of making inconvenient (to him) choices has been especially prevalent this season. There's a reason that Stefan hasn't had to make any choice that involves saving Damon's life this season because Stefan always chooses Damon's life. That's the only time he has ever made an unselfish choice. However, we've seen Stefan choose to make the convenient-for-him-selfish-choice time and time again this season. So him choosing the unselfish path this time was pretty damn huge.

And thus unexpected to me. Actually awesomely shocking! I loved it! It's not as if there wasn't the set-up for it to go two very distinct other surprising, but not as surprising, ways. By having Elena bring up the time she killed someone it set us up for either Liam killing Sarah at Caroline's behest, leaving us with Caroline facing the guilt when her switch comes back on. Or Elena reaches Liam and Sarah, but she gets there at the last possible second with only the choice to kill Liam in order to stop him from killing Sarah, thus having to kill an innocent human again.

But nope they went for Stefan choosing, voluntarily for the first time, to turn his humanity switch off… to save Sarah's life, and for Caroline, to maybe get through to her a bit too. To do what she wanted. And so next week, we get Stefan and Caroline-humanity free… and that is not something I thought we would ever, ever see. OK, then.

But first! That scene with them at the rave with the glow-y drinks and the smiles and the flirting and the emotion and my heart! Oh, Stefan! Oh, Caroline! Oh, my heart! Gosh, I love them so much. You know how I talked above about how the episode was mostly fast-paced and energetic, but that it slowed down for the character moments, well this was one of them. Somerhalder as director allowed the moments like this to ease down, to breathe so that we the viewers could sit back and take them in, feel the emotion as it built between the two as Stefan began pushing and pushing. As he told her the truth, telling her simply, honestly: "I like you." And she tried to laugh it off, tried to laugh him off, but he kept pushing and pushing and he almost reached her, soooo close, but nope.

And so as promised, she retaliated. Oh, that promise. Is it any wonder that Caroline as a humanity-free vampire is as awesome and in control as a humanity-full vampire? Of course not. When she told Elena that she wouldn't be like her with her switch off, I had a feeling that it was a little hint that such would be the case. I mean, just because one doesn't have their humanity, they don't fundamentally change as a person and as a person, Caroline Forbes has always been OCD and completely in control. And if she decides something, she'll stick to it. So, Caroline deciding that her life will be more convenient without vampire-relating deaths following her around then she simply won't kill makes sense because that's how Caroline rolls. Oh, and her commentary about Elena and Bonnie was just freaking priceless. And let's get real, the girl has difficulty being particularly tactful *with* her humanity intact is it even remotely surprising that she'd say this kind of stuff without any filter? Of course not.

And Candice Accola is just killing it! (No pun intended.) I mean, her telling Enzo, "Right after my mom's funeral—thanks for coming by the way. Kidding!" was hysterical, as was basically just about every line reading that wasn't heartbreaking or horrifying. Speaking of Enzo and Caroline, I really liked the fact that Enzo—despite all the history of him clearly having a little thing for Caroline—was not interested in humanity-less Caroline because it wasn't really her. I thought that was sweet. I may not be Enzo's biggest fan, but I do like the character and I wish that the show was doing more with him because we are mostly just seeing him as rather a bad guy right now (without the Damon/Enzo friendship to balance out his actions) and so his sweetness with Caroline is a nice reminder that he does have good in him.

Although, I still remain one of the few people watching the show I imagine who is intrigued with the possibility of Enzo, Sarah and Matt. Wait, Matt? Matt who? Seriously, where was Matt in this episode? I'm really surprised there was no Matt with Bonnie's return and Caroline's switch being flipped, I would have loved to see his reaction to both. I mean, of course, we'll get it when we see him, but not seeing it with the others in this episode makes me a sad camper.

But back to the story… that was clever of Stefan to make Sarah—whose main attribute remains that she's really, really pretty—bored by vampires (LOL!) and also really clever of Caroline to figure it out so quickly. (See, perfect for each other!) So now Enzo needs to figure out another in with the girl, haha! I wonder if he'll now rope Matt back in as the anti-Vampire, all-American boy, hmm…

As for the anti-all-American boy, Mr. Damon Salvatore and Matty-Blue's ex, Miss Elena Gilbert, well, not much with them this week, but call me crazy, I wonder if that was by design. I was a little miffed at first, but yeah, I'm wondering now if that was on purpose.

I mentioned recently that as much as I'm enjoying the re-falling in love of Elena with Damon so that we have their love story without the specter of Stefan (as I call it), I'm really beginning to miss having Elena's memories now. The reason is because it doesn't feel like Damon and Elena because that shared history, all that they've been through together to *BE* Damon and Elena is gone with her memories. And this episode was a perfect example of that. The Damon and Elena of before with that shared history would have been in communication throughout the episode. Elena would have known about Mama Salvatore already because Damon would have told her the night before as soon as he heard about it from Bonnie. She would have been with him in the crypt so that he didn't have to deal with that discovery alone. Instead, she didn't even know about it. He's facing this all alone because he doesn't feel that connection with *this* Elena. It's like she's not *his* Elena because she doesn't have those memories of all that they've shared.

And when Kai wanted to make that deal and Damon found out that Bonnie didn't want to even hear Kai's name, Damon didn't even think to call Elena and talk to her about it. The Damon and Elena of before would have, but now? Damon didn't even run it by her. No discussion, nothing. And on the flip-side, Elena finds out about Sarah Salvatore, she must know that Stefan is keeping this from Damon but there's not one word about Damon. Elena's running through the halls of Whitmore Hospital and she knows that Stefan is contemplating flipping his switch and she not once considers calling Damon! Damon! Stefan's brother! The Elena of before would know that Damon is the person that Stefan loves the most, but this Elena doesn't know that, she doesn't realize it, doesn't think to call him to get him to try and reach out to Stefan, or to even try and help with the situation. Which Elena with her memories would do.

Finally, yet again, Damon makes another bitter, snarky comment about his girlfriend forgetting she loved him. So, yeah, no, he hasn't let that go. Now, I'm not saying that things are bad between them or that they are going to fall apart, but simply that something has to give soon because their relationship is not where it should be or needs to be because right now Elena is still thinking of Damon as just a hot guy she's been dating for a few months, and Damon's thinking of her as an Elena who's not *his* Elena fully yet. Because their shared history just isn't there, all they were, all they are to each other right now is just… gone.

But it's not forgotten. There was a reason we kept getting those reminders from Caroline about how Elena chose Damon over Liam, liked Damon more, still had feelings, etc. And despite forgetting that shared history, Damon and Elena, especially (duh!) Elena *did* find their way back to each other, so they will get where they need to go. They just aren't there yet.

Oh, and speaking of Liam… hah, he's back! So, I hope I'm right that we're going to continue to see him and he will be integrated into the gang because, dangit, I like him. He was cracking me up so much in this episode, his conversations with Caroline ("The bathroom line was a mile long…" "I'm a pre-med sophomore, I'm terrible.") and Stefan ("I like to bite the lower lip a little bit, I think it's kinda weird you're asking me this…" "I'm late for this party and you're really weirding me out.") were so great, his line deliveries were fantastic. Just so, so good. And then in the "surgery" scenes, his freaking out was really well done. I felt so bad for him. Plus, yeah, truth be told, his chemistry with Candice Accola was pretty damn hot (way, way better than he had with Nina Dobrev). So yay to Liam's return. I still like him. I'm so glad that Caroline didn't kill him, yippee that he got blood on her necklace!

Erm, not as yay-ful? Well, that would be…wait for it…poor Bonnie. *sigh* My forever poor Bonnie. You know, I've been freaking looking forward to Damon and Bonnie back in present-time forever and wanting to see everyone react to those was friends and how awesome it would be…and we get this. Of course. Oh, Vampire Diaries, look at you being you! *double sigh*

I am so sad about Damon and Bonnie and what happened with them. So, so sad, but I get it. I totally do with both of them, from both points of view. I get why Damon did what he did. He did at first try to respect her fear, but when he couldn't get the information about his mom, he then pushed through because that's what Damon does, and of course, he couldn't know *just* how bad it was for Bonnie. Plus, he does actually know how the Gemini twin merge works (which Bonnie doesn't) and he genuinely knows that Luke's personality does reside within Kai and that Kai has changed somewhat and genuinely feels remorseful to a degree, so it is real. And he thought she would realize that because, again, he didn't know how bad it was for her.

Plus, he also wants the information on his mother and, again, *again,* doesn't realize just how bad Bonnie is suffering. Because Bonnie is Bonnie and per usual just pasted on the brave face and was all ‘I'm back, I'm good, let's carry on.' So, no, he didn't know. That's how Bonnie do. And let's be real, Damon doesn't have many friends, he doesn't really know how to do friendships/relationships and he's kinda used to screwing up and then he's forgiven. And then he screws up again, and then is forgiven because he's had Stefan, Elena, Alaric and Liz. And that's been the pattern. So that's all he knows.

And I completely get why Bonnie did what she did. Damon knew what happened with Kai when he left, but he didn't know, couldn't possibly know just how bad it got for her. As for Bonnie, well, she's clearly suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (the champagne cork popping was the first clear indicator, her reactions at the rave—really, Elena?!), but she's pretending like she's fine. She's not telling anyone, not Damon, not Elena, she's just not dealing, so when she saw Kai, it just all boiled over and of course she let it go at Damon, punishing him because she felt betrayed. No one else can come even close to understanding what she went through but Damon. So she kinda felt that he understood, and so when he failed so miserably, it felt like a betrayal. But hopefully what held true in the prison world (as Kai—hah, ironically, Kai!—said there holds true here) that no matter how many times they fought, Bonnie always came back. She'll realize that Damon is sorry and they'll repair their friendship, and then I'll get my wish of the others seeing the two of them as besties!

I hope so because for more than Damon's sake at this point, Bonnie needs it. Elena, as much as I love my girl, was just not thinking of Bonnie as much as she should have been. I get that Caroline was in a state, but I still would have put Bonnie's state of mind first, yo. Bonnie has been in a freaking prison world ALL FREAKING ALONE FOR MONTHS! PUT BONNIE FIRST! Damn. She has no one. Her mom is off being a selfish vampire, she might as well have her humanity off. Her father is dead, her grams is gone too {sobs}. Jeremy is off at art school vampire hunting. Caroline flipped off her switch and is being a total beeyotch to her. Elena is more about Caroline that she's being blind to how much Bonnie needs her to be about her. And Damon is more concerned with his ripper!Mama than with Bonnie's PTSD-issues and so he just sent her over the edge.

The only fortunate thing is that Bonnie Bennett is one very strong woman and hopefully those around her who claim to love her will wake the hell up and get with the program and be there for her. So this is what needs to happen: Damon needs to do some groveling. Elena needs to focus on Bonnie. And once Caroline flips her switch back into the on position, she needs to do some major making up to Bon-Bon! And Matty Blue-Blue come back and be the best human ever to my favorite witch!

But what about Kai and Bonnie? I am confused about these two, I admit. Are they doing a love/hate relationship here? The two actors have really good chemistry. I've thought that from the beginning. Kai and Bonnie were flirting and it was definitely mutual before Bonnie found out he was a psycho. And there was a definite connective-aspect there with Bonnie and Kai because when Bonnie was talking (erm, well, that's one way to put it) to Damon she said that the worst thing Kai did was leave her. Yes, that obviously had to do with her being left alone, but still it's there.

Kai obviously has the feels for Bonnie. When he'd kidnapped Elena and brought her to the school, he made a point of noting Bonnie in the cheerleading photograph. And, well, he always makes note of her when possible. Heck, this entire episode was all about Kai wanting to make amends with Bonnie. So I don't know if they are planning on trying to build something here… some long game or if it's just some story build for Bonnie. I don't know. Maybe it's leading up to a catharsis for Bonnie eventually killing Kai. I don't know. We shall see.

We shall also see what happens with Mama Lily Salvatore. Namely why did the Gemini coven decide to handle her? Kai wasn't able to provide that answer. I'm still thinking it's possible that she was a member of the Gemini coven herself. That would explain why they didn't kill her, but instead imprisoned her. After all, they didn't kill Kai, but imprisoned him, one of their own.

I wonder if Damon will come to that conclusion himself. I don't know, he's not quite himself about this. One big difference between Damon and Stefan has always been that Damon faces things head on; he doesn't live in denial, but in this situation Damon was very un-Damon like. Boy was so in denialsville. Despite evidence pointing to the very obvious, Damon was so insistent that his mother had died of consumption in 1858, never mind that she still looked much younger than her 70s in 1903 in a Gemini-created prison world. Oh, Damon. He had to be hit with the cold, hard facts to finally face it and it was devastating and because he just pissed off one of his besties, and some *thing* is going on with his other bestie, his girl doesn't remember most of their history, his brother was off being protected by him and now is humanity-less, Damon is all alone in his devastation. Oh, Damon, Damon, Damon.

So, a vampire ripper, huh? Well, I so called the vampire part. Called that back in season 01 when I decided that was the Mama Salvatore backstory, yeah, baby. The whole psychotic ripper vampire who killed 3,000 (!) people and was locked in a prison world created by a witchy family consisting of twins, well, that one, yeah, no, didn't figure that one out. Ah well. Still, a ripper, huh? So, hmm… I'm guessing this means the ripper gene is passed down then and some kids get it, some kids don't, like a hair or eye color or a predisposed disposition, maybe. OK, then. Damn, I love this show so hard. So very hard.

Alrighty then, just a few randoms –

- I thought they did a good job explaining why Jeremy won't be coming back. I mean, yeah, you'd think Jeremy would still rush back, but so much time has passed and with whatever is going on with Jeremy in art school vampire-hunter land, one can imagine he probably does want to stay away right now because he's changing as much as Bonnie says she has. (Recalls Bonnie pensively looking at her arrow scar.)

- The whole opening scene with Caroline at the bar, the conversation with the bartender, then with Liam, the making-out, the vamping and attack… all of it, was just such an awesome cold open.

- I crack up every time I get to the part where Elena notes that Caroline not only cleaned out all of her clothes, but also her thank-you notes. I don't know why, but it's just so Caroline.

- I'm so glad Bonnie burned that douchebag at the rave. So not cool. Bonnie said no, you don't force yourself on a girl, no matter how hot she is. Jerk! Ah, if only all women had that power.

- Speaking of Bonnie at the rave... oy vey! Not a good place for Bonnie to be. Coming off of being completely alone with zero human companionship for months to being surrounded by hundreds of swarming bodies, my gosh, poor Bonnie. Again, Elena, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!? Elena was just so focused on Caroline that she was not thinking of Bonnie and what she'd been through at all. I defend Elena a lot, but she was not being a good Bonnie-bestie in this episode. I get why, she was concerned and understandably so for Caroline, but oh dear.

- Speaking of Elena and friendship, I find it interesting that we're still getting dings back and forth between Caroline and Elena. When Elena's switch was off she told some not-so-nice truths to Caroline, and now vice versa. And, of course, she tells Elena that she's making it all about her when Elena tries to offer up a sympathetic parallel. Yet when Stefan does the same thing, Caroline says he's kind and just this great guy and that's why she fell for him. It really goes back to the beginning of the series... while Elena and Caroline are truly friends, there has always been that annoyance factor on both ends.

- I continue to really like Stefan and Elena as friends; they work really well together as such. I always thought that they would and they do.

- Kai looked really good in this episode. The stubble does him good.

- Elena just grabbing and breaking both of Liam's wrists just gives me a little shock every time, like whoah! OK, then.

So another great episode, I missed Matty, but still great episode. Ian did a fantastic job; he has a future as a director. I'm very excited to see what happens next!!
 
 
 
Mattghidorah15 on March 16th, 2015 01:30 am (UTC)
This was a very dark and intense episode. I've honestly gotten so used to the nature of The Vampire Diaries that I didn't expect to feel it so much - but this episode really stood out in a good way, flourishes and staging included. Ian Somerhalder clearly knows what he's doing as a director as well as an actor. Bravo, sir.

Stefan truly is different with Caroline than he was with Elena. I suppose that's what happens when you're in real love as opposed to a shallow fantasy of love. And now, because of his self-sacrifice, we'll get to see them as emotionless vampires together - though I'm pretty sure Caroline is too controlled to become a Ripper. (And on a purely shallow note, I don't think she's ever been hotter than she was at the rave.)

I will give Enzo credit for refusing to take advantage of Caroline because he prefers the whole package - one of the few things on which he and Stefan agree, I imagine. Other than that, he's not doing much for me at present. But I do find it amusing that Sarah has been compelled by Stefan to not bat an eye at the presence of vampires. Sadly, that wasn't enough to save her or Liam - good thing Elena was enough.

Ah, yes, Elena. I did miss her interacting with Damon, but you raise a good point - they're not really the Delena (sorry, I like the portmanteau) we know and love right now. She still doesn't have her true memories of him, and he still isn't over her loss thereof. Something has to give so they can truly heal together. And that's not the only way in which she's not quite right in the head - as good as it was to see her reunion with Bonnie, she was a little too focused on Caroline's situation. Maybe it's understandable, but it still needs to change. Hopefully the restoration of her true memories (her true self, one could say) will fix more than just her relationship with Damon.

And Damon himself...youch. It figures that this discovery about his mother would send him into denial - he does not want her to be a Ripper. (But it does pretty strongly suggest that the Ripper strain is genetic.) And it figures that Bonnie would lash out at him, what with her not realizing that Kai isn't the same person who tortured her - and with Damon not realizing just how much torture she endured. Someone get her a therapist for that PTSD - seriously, stat.

Oh, look, and Liam's back. I wouldn't mind him sticking around. Still no idea what's really going on with Alaric - I hope we get some revealing evidence soon. Matt's absence was puzzling - let's hope he shows up next episode. Jeremy's absence is less puzzling, of course, but it'd be nice to hear from him before season's end. And just who is the real Big Bad this season? It doesn't seem to be Kai after all...
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on March 16th, 2015 04:15 am (UTC)
Stefan truly is different with Caroline than he was with Elena. I suppose that's what happens when you're in real love as opposed to a shallow fantasy of love.

Yup, yup, yup.

though I'm pretty sure Caroline is too controlled to become a Ripper.

Oh, I have no doubt that won't happen. Rippers are very clearly a specific type of vampire that is a strain in them like how alcoholics have in them, it's just something that certain people have.

(And on a purely shallow note, I don't think she's ever been hotter than she was at the rave.)

And this is where I'm such a girl because I thought she just looked so pretty in the opening scenes because she was so bright and her hair was so pretty! But, yeah, girl here! :) We have different tastes, haha!

I will give Enzo credit for refusing to take advantage of Caroline because he prefers the whole package - one of the few things on which he and Stefan agree, I imagine. Other than that, he's not doing much for me at present.

And here are tastes are the same. I just don't understand what or rather what NOT they're doing with him.

they're not really the Delena (sorry, I like the portmanteau) we know and love right now.

True (and hey, I don't hate it, it's not Steroline!).

She still doesn't have her true memories of him, and he still isn't over her loss thereof. Something has to give so they can truly heal together.

YES! Exactly.

And that's not the only way in which she's not quite right in the head - as good as it was to see her reunion with Bonnie, she was a little too focused on Caroline's situation. Maybe it's understandable, but it still needs to change. Hopefully the restoration of her true memories (her true self, one could say) will fix more than just her relationship with Damon.

Yeah, I know I talked early on about how being with Damon, loving Damon allowed Elena to grow up more, to accept the realities of her dark life and seeing, truly accepting what Bonnie had been through may have been part of that. Maybe she just isn't ready to accept that, not this Elena who hasn't seen/accepted those harsher realities?

Someone get her a therapist for that PTSD - seriously, stat.

Too bad that unless there's a vampire therapist out there that ain't gonna happen!

Oh, look, and Liam's back. I wouldn't mind him sticking around.

Yay! I'm not alone!

Still no idea what's really going on with Alaric - I hope we get some revealing evidence soon.

*sigh* Right?

Matt's absence was puzzling - let's hope he shows up next episode.

Ditto!

Jeremy's absence is less puzzling, of course, but it'd be nice to hear from him before season's end.

I have to believe we will.

And just who is the real Big Bad this season? It doesn't seem to be Kai after all...

Maybe Mama Salvatore?
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k_stjamesk_stjames on March 16th, 2015 01:32 am (UTC)
I didn't notice the direction of the episode and if I didn't know that Ian directed I wouldn't have paid any attention. I don't want to notice things like that unless they are glaringly bad which this wasn't - I remember thinking that it all seemed lit really well so other than the lighting the rest just seemed like a good episode that move well. It wasn't until the end that I realized that DE had no interactions which didn't bother me because I dismissed this version of Elena a couple of episodes ago. She's just not working for me and until you outlined all the reason I hadn't really thought about why I just didn't care but it clearly the lack of emotional investment and it's sad how that's shorted Damon's character. Also, I think the lack of Elena being Elena was most evident given her blase attitude about Bonnie's return. Poor girl suffered in a prison world alone for months and it seemed like hardly anyone cared that she was back - how exactly was switched off Caroline more of a priority? And like you, I think the absence of Matt made this worse; someone should care about the hell she suffered (and I hope Damon pieces it together soon) and the strength it took to get back but I feel at this point they just don't expect her to stay dead. Also I loved that Damon clearly hasn't forgiven or forgotten Elena erasing her memory and I can't wait to see that blow up huge because he deserves to remain hurt and angry about it and I won't even mention the fact that Ric is still unaccountable on that front. Bonnie's conversation when Damon called her at the rave reminded me that no one really asked Damon about how he dealt with being in the prison world or the guilt when he thought Bonnie had died to get him out - sometime the lack of follow through on story-line threads annoys me because they do such a good job of setting things up only to drop them as they race towards the next big plot they're dying to unveil.

I loved switched off Caroline and the was that at her core she was still the same character only better. Loved the honestly they wrote for her especially when she was calling Elena out shit which always makes me laugh. I liked her interaction with Enzo because despite his little use I still like the actor and the potential for his character. I really hope Stefan compelling Sara to be indifferent to vampires comes back to bite him as that seems like a dangerous thing - you'd think he would have compelled to her drink vervain tea everyday instead.

I agree that the use of Liam was good and again he's another character that has excellent chemistry with Caroline. The way they wrote a smart Caroline (emotions or no emotions) was refreshing and I loved how ahead of Stefan and Elena she was the whole time. I agree with you that Elena is still so damn annoyingly blind about so much of Stefan's character and I wonder if that will ever change?

Loved the Damon and Kai friendship; Kai with baby feelings is hilarious and it doesn't hurt that he's easy on the eyes. I don't by the story of Damon's mother being a ripper and think she tied to that Gemini crap otherwise why wouldn't the coven have sent Stefan or one of the Originals off to a prison world all these years? I know I'm expecting too much logic from the show but in my head canon, Stefan's murdered millions at this point when you consider all the villages and war-zones. Plus I don't want Stefan to shift the blame for his ripper tendencies to his mommy because you know it wasn't his fault, he was damned from birth. I agree, Damon's denial is a new thing and something that I think wouldn't be happening if he could turn to Elena, Alaric or Enzo right now for friendship and counsel. Who knows, maybe Bonnie will figure it out and he's understand the depth of her PTSD and the rest of the group will stand on the sidelines dumbfounded at the solid Damon/Bonnie friendship.

Given that there are only a handful of episodes left this year I'm starting to get impatient for some traction on the DE front with either her memories or Damon's hurt feelings and whatever all of this is supposed to be leading up to.

thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)01arabian on March 16th, 2015 07:20 am (UTC)
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it's sad how that's shorted Damon's character.

I don't think that's fair to say because as I pointed out, it's a two-way street. After all, Damon didn't talk to Elena about his mother, or talk to her about the situation with Bonnie or the conumdrum with needing her help with Kai and her pain over him. He's not reaching out to her. He still clearly has resentment over what happened with her erasing her memories and yet he's clearly not talking to her about them. It takes two to tango. So it's not just Elena here, it's both of them.

Also, I think the lack of Elena being Elena was most evident given her blase attitude about Bonnie's return.

And Elena does NOT have a blase attitidue about Bonnie. Bonnie is NOT showing Elena how upset she is. She's telling her she's fine, she's showing her brave face to the world so while Elena knows that Bonnie had it bad, she doesn't have any clue how bad and because Damon clearly never confided in Elena how bad it was for him/them, she doesn't even know it from that point of view. So to blame Elena for not knowing what no one has told her isn't fair. Yes, she knows that Bonnie had it tough, but to not think that what is happening with Caroline isn't really awful right now isn't unreasonable.

Caroline's mother's funeral was literally just the day before. And she turned her switch off, something that Elena uniquely of them understands how badly it can screw up a person so she does feel like she among all of them is the best person to be there for Caroline. This is not Elena being a bad friend or a selfish person AT ALL, but rather the opposite. She is trying to be an awesome friend and a totally unselfish person... just it's for Caroline, because, again, Elena doesn't know just how Bonnie has it.

it seemed like hardly anyone cared that she was back

Damon and Elena both reacted with joy and hugs. Elena pulled out champagne and wanted to toast her return, it's just that Caroline just turned her switch off.

how exactly was switched off Caroline more of a priority?

Because in their experience a vampire with their switch off (ie, Stefan, and even Elena) does VERY, VERY bad things. Stefan goes off on ripper sprees, and Elena tried to kill both Bonnie and Caroline, she attacked Liz, would have killed April had it not been for Rebekah and did kill an innocent woman. Oh, she also burned her house down. And who knows what else she would have done had she not been watched like a hawk. Vampires with their humanity off do bad, bad things as they've seen. So, yeah, Caroline with her switch off is very much a priority. And Bonnie is on the hunt for Caroline along with Elena. She's with Elena here. And again, she's *not* telling Elena differently, she's putting on the brave, Bonnie face.

Which brings us to something I said about Elena back when she first had her memories erased. I wrote then about the fact that Caroline told Matt that Elena wasn't acting like herself and what I thought that meant. Sure, Matt responded that she was happy, but Matt hadn't been spending much time with her and Caroline had just done so since the compulsion took effect so she knew. This wasn't a happy Elena, this was as Caroline said, a more zombie-like Elena. Despite how "happy" Elena seems without loving Damon, it's not as happy as she truly can be. She's not as complete and the best that she can be without the part of her that she was loving Damon, that person who grew, who matured, who made compromises, who loved and was loved so completely. She became a better person loving Damon.

And I think that is key. Elena didn't bury her head, she faced harsh realities head-on. She wouldn't have take Bonnie's brave face at, well, face value but would have looked deeper. And it's all tied in together. Just like Elena made Damon a better person, Damon did the same for Elena. But Bonnie keeping quiet about it isn't helping and the fact that Caroline is in very serious straits right now is a huge factor as well.

TBC
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(Anonymous) on March 16th, 2015 12:57 pm (UTC)
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Hey, great recap again. So many things I didn't get when watching the episode myself. So thanks for enlightening my TVD world again.

So, now here are my thoughts concerning the episode:
- Ok, this is rather a point for the last episode, but it just hit me in this week's "previously on TVD"; the moment Caroline snapped Elena's neck has been the very moment she flipped her switch, hasn't it? Well, it's not very important, but I found it very interesting.
- I was wondering why Mom Salvatore's coffin was so heavily sealed (although she wasn't even lying in it)? Did Giuseppe know that his wife had become a vampire and wanted to bury her "alive", in which case he obviously didn't know that she wasn't in the coffin at all. And why did Mom Salvatore travel to Europe afterwards? And who turned her? The tomb vampires hadn't yet been around back then, have they? I always thought they only came later with Katherine.
- And then if Mom Salvatore was imprisoned in this lonely snow dimension, where there were obviously no other human beings around (much like in Kai's prison world) how come she hasn't desiccated yet like those tomb vamps did? I mean, there haven't been any blood bags around in 1903, right? I'm pretty sure they were invented much later. So how does she nurture herself? Even if the prison world denies her the true death, desiccating isn't dying, right? She should still have desiccated. Any ideas why she mightn't?
- I felt some sort of impending romance between Enzo and Sarah. I wonder if it's just me? But Sarah also somehow reminded me of Enzo's dead girlfriend. We'll see what will develop between those two.
- Bonnie obviously has a strong case of PTSD. And not only that. Bonnie is a strong girl and somehow in that watching-herself-in-the-mirror-scene I got a feeling of Bonnie flipping her very own humanity/emotion switch. She seemed much colder afterwards. Which is totally understandable to turn your emotions off as a way of self-protection from the trauma that has happened to her. And I think this has also been a product of her having to deal with her PTSD all on her own. She shuts down in order to protect herself from further damage. I'm interested in how that will play out and who's going to bring HER back from her emotionlessness (if I interpreted that scene right, that is).
- Caroline without her humanity is so much like Elena without her humanity (threatening others not to try and bring her back, changing her hair) and yet so different. While Elena was still so passionate and wild (like Damon in a way) Caroline is absolutely cold and controlled.
- Kai really seems to have feelings for Bonnie.
- For a split second I thought Enzo might be the one to bring Caroline back. But I think the writers won't go there. Enzo is too busy with Sarah and doesn't have the same power over her than Stefan has. So then I was wondering what if the super controlled Caroline manages to bring herself back? She always has plans and acts accordingly. She said she wanted to stay emotion-less for only a year. So what if she'll stick to her plan and flips the switch back on all on her own? I wouldn't put it past her. And then I thought what if she manages to heal Stefan of his ripperdom on the way? Because Caroline is that awesome and always in control and wouldn't allow Stefan to make a mess and pile up bodies on their way?!
- I really mourn Damon's and Bonnie's sweet friendship. They started out so well this episode and ended so bad. *Sigh*
- Kai stole all the cool lines from Damon this episode.
- The last scene with Stefan and Caroline behind/on the bar looked so Bonnie-and-Clydish. I'm really looking forward to how they will interact and work together now they are both "emotion-less".
- For a moment I thought Enzo would rescue Sarah, but no such luck. Nevertheless I wonder if Enzo and Sarah will bond over their torture experiences, because what happened to Sarah really reminded me of the Whitmore experiments.

(end of part 1)
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on March 17th, 2015 08:22 am (UTC)
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- I was wondering why Mom Salvatore's coffin was so heavily sealed (although she wasn't even lying in it)?

Probably sealed so heavily to keep people from opening it because consumption (which today is called tuberculosis) is pretty contagious and they would have wanted to avoid people opening her coffin.

Did Giuseppe know that his wife had become a vampire and wanted to bury her "alive", in which case he obviously didn't know that she wasn't in the coffin at all.

Or that. But I think consumption was likely the cause.

And why did Mom Salvatore travel to Europe afterwards?

Because she faked her death.

And who turned her?

That we'll find out later, I assume.

The tomb vampires hadn't yet been around back then, have they?

As far as we know, but we don't know much about Mystic Falls, VA. except before that brief period with the boys and Katherine.

I always thought they only came later with Katherine.

We don't really know, just that she exploited, used and betrayed them. Oh, Katherine.

And then if Mom Salvatore was imprisoned in this lonely snow dimension, where there were obviously no other human beings around (much like in Kai's prison world) how come she hasn't desiccated yet like those tomb vamps did?
I mean, there haven't been any blood bags around in 1903, right?


No, no blood bags, but if the Gemini coven didn't kill her, they clearly sent her there with with enough blood to survive for a day, and each day restarts itself with all of the supplies there restarting fresh (remember Damon and Bonnie shopping?). So all of Mama Salvatore's supplies, including her blood supplies, would have started over fresh every day.

I felt some sort of impending romance between Enzo and Sarah. I wonder if it's just me? But Sarah also somehow reminded me of Enzo's dead girlfriend. We'll see what will develop between those two.

Well, that's Enzo's plan, and as I said a few episode write-ups ago, I wonder if the show is leaning towards a potential triangle with her, Enzo and Matt with her being the Salvatore in the middle as opposed to two Salvatores on either side like with Damon, Elena and Stefan, with Enzo being the 'Damon' and Matt the 'Stefan.'

TBC
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(Anonymous) on March 16th, 2015 01:00 pm (UTC)
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(Part 2)
- Two rippers in one family? Does it run in their genes? (see, totally agree with you here)
- No DE in this episode; why don't they talk to each other about their problems any more? (thanks for enlightening me on this point)
- Another question for next episode, will Elena tell Damon of his still living relative? I'm afraid not, but we'll see.


My thoughts after reading your recap:
"He kept up the pace throughout the whole episode; things felt like they were moving."
I totally agree. Time flew and the episode was over in the blink of an eye. It all fit perfectly together so that at episode's end I couldn't believe 40 minutes had already passed (which is definitely something positive in my eyes).

"And I have to be honest, I didn't even realize just *how* brilliant it was until I began to analyze the scene and break it down. Mr. Somerhalder, you do indeed have a future in directing. You truly do."
Ok, seriously didn't know what to quote here cause I'd have liked to quote everything you said about the directing. I usually don't get those things which is why I'm really grateful for having you and your recaps. :) It's really interesting and in hindsight I totally agree, this episode's directing was superb.

"the both of them casually lounging in hedonistic pleasure."
Already mentioned above, I really liked that shot and it strongly reminded me of Bonnie and Clyde (for whatever reason I don't know).

"(much like Elena with her switch off was)"
Totally agree, see also my thoughts above.

"However, this time, Stefan finally sucked it up and let the denial go."
Wow, I didn't get that but your of course totally right. Caroline really manages to change Stefan (which reminds me of Rose's speech to Jeremy in 3x19 ;) ). Caroline and Stefan are really THE great love couple in contrast to Stefan and Elena.

"And let's get real, the girl has difficulty being particularly tactful *with* her humanity intact"
Haha, I had to laugh so much reading this and it's absolutely true.

"Wait, Matt? Matt who? Seriously, where was Matt in this episode?"
Tyler was also missing, so I thought they might be off at a police academy or something? Still funny.

" It's like she's not *his* Elena because she doesn't have those memories of all that they've shared."
That makes so much sense! Thank you very much for enlightening me on this point because the lack of DE had really been bugging me a lot lately and especially in this episode. So thanks.
I haven't been happy about her memory loss for quite some time now and had hoped she'd have got them back by now. But no such luck. When and how do you think will she remember?
Arabian: Elena16arabian on March 17th, 2015 09:47 am (UTC)
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No DE in this episode; why don't they talk to each other about their problems any more? (thanks for enlightening me on this point)

Like I said, I was bummed at first too, but it took some thinking and I think I got it.

Another question for next episode, will Elena tell Damon of his still living relative? I'm afraid not, but we'll see.

I hope she will. But, yeah, we'll see.


"He kept up the pace throughout the whole episode; things felt like they were moving."
I totally agree. Time flew and the episode was over in the blink of an eye. It all fit perfectly together so that at episode's end I couldn't believe 40 minutes had already passed (which is definitely something positive in my eyes).


Very positive, I agree.

"And I have to be honest, I didn't even realize just *how* brilliant it was until I began to analyze the scene and break it down. Mr. Somerhalder, you do indeed have a future in directing. You truly do."
Ok, seriously didn't know what to quote here cause I'd have liked to quote everything you said about the directing. I usually don't get those things which is why I'm really grateful for having you and your recaps. :) It's really interesting and in hindsight I totally agree, this episode's directing was superb.


Thank you. I'm really glad I do these write-ups, seriously, because it really did take me sitting down and writing it out, breaking it down and and analyzing it before I was able to realize why those shots worked so well and what Ian had created with his directorial choices. He really did awesomely.

"However, this time, Stefan finally sucked it up and let the denial go."
Wow, I didn't get that but your of course totally right. Caroline really manages to change Stefan (which reminds me of Rose's speech to Jeremy in 3x19 ;) ).


I've thought of that A LOT. How there's been talk of how Damon and Elena change each other for the better, and how we're seeing the same thing with Stefan and Caroline. They do the same for each other. :)

Caroline and Stefan are really THE great love couple in contrast to Stefan and Elena.

Yuppers!

Tyler was also missing, so I thought they might be off at a police academy or something? Still funny.

Yeah, but I don't care about Tyler like I care about Matt, LOL!

"It's like she's not *his* Elena because she doesn't have those memories of all that they've shared."
That makes so much sense! Thank you very much for enlightening me on this point because the lack of DE had really been bugging me a lot lately and especially in this episode. So thanks.


You're welcome, it's bummed me too in this episode so I needed to try and figure it out myself. I think this is it; it does make sense.

I haven't been happy about her memory loss for quite some time now and had hoped she'd have got them back by now. But no such luck. When and how do you think will she remember?

I'm OK with the memory loss, again, because we got her falling for him without the specter of Stefan, but I do want it back soon. I'm thinking that it may come back tied into whatever is going on with Alaric. If Esther's anti-vampire thing is still working on him when he became human again, then maybe he has to become die again (with vampire blood in his sytem of course) and choose to become a vampire to break free of that. And of course when he dies... the compulsion will go away with his death.
jairem08jairem08 on March 16th, 2015 02:57 pm (UTC)
Thank you for your fabulous post. As always.
I wish I had observant and analytical skill like you. My bit is always so lame.
I agree with you that Ian has done an amazing job. I wouldn't even pick out the bits that you pointed out were not 100% because I just adore him so and am a bit bias ... :)
Can he just be more perfect? Can't we clone that man? I mean even my husband would understand... sigh... And he was so handsome. Again. Like always.

This was quite fast paced episode. Lot has happened. I still wonder is Stefan switched off for real? If so I wonder will Caroline actually be the reasonable one that saves him from ripperdom and all bad that could happen?
Caroline was fab. Like amazing. In all her switched off status. I didn't expect her to ask Stefan to swith it off but I suppose she wanted partner in crime. Curious how long this storyline will go. Will it cross the season?

I do wonder just like anonymous above about mamma Salvatore. About her blood intake in 1903 is she indeed is a vampire. Curious about explanation.

Kai indeed was handsome this episode and I do think he might have a thing about Bonnie. Bonnie however is really suffering because of her experience that was made worse by Kai's actions. I do hope that her relationship with Damon will get back to the great one they developed. That would suck it that was over. This show just hurts good.

This DE draught is driving me insane. I hope you are right and it is building up to something. I don't want to speculate but I wonder if the memories will only be back by Elena becoming human? And big question - when??? This DE disconnect is painful. Though they are together it is not them. As you pointed out they do not talk, deal and do things together.

Will he share his mom and her story with Elena? Will she share her knowledge of Sarah with Elena?

It might be Caroline who will break the news?

Did I mention that Ian should be cloned??? Any takers?

Again I have no clue what the next episode and the rest of the season will bring but I can only hope that if DE or Elena and Damon have to deal with all the drama, it will be as the old them with all the memories and real love back. PLEASE SHOW!!!!

Honestly I was a bit bumped by the lack of DE and DE interaction but again I hope there was a reason for that. I'm just a bit worried that with all the other drama happening around them the focus on themselves will be small. I can only hope for the best.

Thank you again for the writing.
Arabian: Damon11arabian on March 17th, 2015 10:27 am (UTC)
I wish I had observant and analytical skill like you. My bit is always so lame.

No, don't think that. I've been honing these "skills" for years, LOL!

I still wonder is Stefan switched off for real?

I think he did.

If so I wonder will Caroline actually be the reasonable one that saves him from ripperdom and all bad that could happen?

It would be awesome if Caroline brought Stefan back, and now I wonder if that will be it... if Caroline seeing Stefan like this is what is causes her to turn it back on, her love for him unable to see him like this. Hmmm...

I didn't expect her to ask Stefan to swith it off but I suppose she wanted partner in crime.

It wasn't about that, she knew that Stefan was going to keep pushing to bring her back and that he would succeed. That's what she told him at the end there. He would make her flip her switch back because he gets to her and she didn't want that. The only way to make him not do that was to make him switch his flip too.

Curious how long this storyline will go. Will it cross the season?

I have no clue. I had originally thought Caroline's switch-off would only be a few episodes, now with both of them, I'm wondering if it will run longer, maybe the rest of the season, yeah.

I do wonder just like anonymous above about mamma Salvatore. About her blood intake in 1903 is she indeed is a vampire. Curious about explanation.

She's a vampire, I believe that. As for the blood supply, as I told anon, no blood bags, but if the Gemini coven didn't kill her, they clearly sent her there with with enough blood to survive for a day, and each day restarts itself with all of the supplies there restarting fresh (remember Damon and Bonnie shopping?). So all of Mama Salvatore's supplies, including her blood supplies, would have started over fresh every day.

I do hope that her relationship with Damon will get back to the great one they developed.

I think it will. Like I said, she always came back in 1994, I think she will now too.

I hope you are right and it is building up to something.

It has to be!

I don't want to speculate but I wonder if the memories will only be back by Elena becoming human?

I don't know if that would work, but here's my speculation, I'm thinking that it may come back tied into whatever is going on with Alaric. If Esther's anti-vampire thing is still working on him when he became human again, then maybe he has to become die again (with vampire blood in his sytem of course) and choose to become a vampire to break free of that. And of course when he dies... the compulsion will go away with his death.

And big question - when??? This DE disconnect is painful. Though they are together it is not them. As you pointed out they do not talk, deal and do things together.

I don't know when, but it's gotta be soon!!!

Will he share his mom and her story with Elena? Will she share her knowledge of Sarah with Elena?

It might be Caroline who will break the news?

Honestly I was a bit bumped by the lack of DE and DE interaction but again I hope there was a reason for that. I'm just a bit worried that with all the other drama happening around them the focus on themselves will be small.

Oh, I just can't imagine that. It's Damon and Elena. They won't stay a small focus for long. Come on. Psshaw!
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries Carolineamberfocus on March 16th, 2015 11:44 pm (UTC)
I am not 100% convinced Stefan's switch is off, because it really would be just like him, especially if he is in love with Caroline, to fake it so he can stay with Caroline and keep her from going too dark. He's kind of a nanny that way. And I have a hard time believing that to save a family member he barely knows, that he would trade Sarah's life for the lives of all the numerous people he knows he would kill with his switch off. I have no doubt he'd do it to save Damon, but not just to save Sarah.

Of course I also have a hard time believing that Caroline would ever let her hair hang in strings like it was in the end of the episode. She turned off her humanity switch, not her vanity switch. Yeah, they are trying to show it's not the same old Caroline, but can't they do that with the clothes? I am not buying the hair.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline02arabian on March 17th, 2015 12:53 am (UTC)
I am not 100% convinced Stefan's switch is off, because it really would be just like him, especially if he is in love with Caroline, to fake it so he can stay with Caroline and keep her from going too dark. He's kind of a nanny that way. And I have a hard time believing that to save a family member he barely knows, that he would trade Sarah's life for the lives of all the numerous people he knows he would kill with his switch off. I have no doubt he'd do it to save Damon, but not just to save Sarah.

Except that it wasn't just for Sarah. I agree that he wouldn't do it just for Sarah. But it was also for Caroline, for her soul. Because when Caroline comes back from the brink, she would have been responsible for killing Sarah--not just an innocent, but Stefan's niece and that someone that Stefan has spent literally Sarah's whole life from literal birth protecting and looking over--and for completely destroying Liam's life. And that would destroy Caroline. And what this season has been building and showing is that for the first time, truly, in his very long life is that Stefan is learning to love someone unselfishly other than Damon. And that someone is Caroline. So, yes, for Caroline he would do it. He would do this to save Caroline's soul. To keep her from being destroyed the way he was especially because he was so stupid in not just telling her the truth about how he felt, he giving her that succor in this awful time she was going through.

Of course I also have a hard time believing that Caroline would ever let her hair hang in strings like it was in the end of the episode.

We feel that way as girls who don't think she looked particularly hot, but, see ghidorah15 above. He thought that Caroline has never looked hotter. And I know that the crimped hair style she had going is a look that girls go for as "hot" for some odd reason. Don't ask me why.


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Arabian: Damon11arabian on March 19th, 2015 03:57 am (UTC)
Seems like a great big storyline is coming up with mama Salvatore. We have to wonder if Giuseppe knew she was a vampire, how this is connected to the Gemini coven and if ripper-dom is genetically influenced. The show seems to be implying that it is.

I agree all-around. I'm thinking that, yeah, Giuseppe did know because it would explain his hatred of vampires. The only reason I'd think that he doesn't know is simply because the actor (James Remar) who played Papa Salvatore passed away and so they wouldn't be able to play any scenes with him which would take away the power of that aspect of the storyline.

The situation with Damon and Bonnie is really complicated, I think that this will be a way for them to solidify their friendship.

Yup, seeing them get through such a rough hurdle NOW in the real world, in present time *when* they have other people to turn to, but still able to turn to each other and fix things will do that. I agree.

It's a way for there to be no doubt that these two have a real genuine sibling bond.

Exactly.

I know a lot of people may be angry with Damon but I think he did what he thought was best with what little information he had.

Anyone mad at him is not looking at the totality of the situation.

I honestly believe if he had known how badly Bonnie was suffering he would not have brought Kai.

Agreed.

I still can't believe that's Stefan turned off his humanity for Caroline, because let's face it he did it for her not Sarah... well maybe a little for Sarah.

Exactly. As I said above to amberfocus: "it was also for Caroline, for her soul. Because when Caroline comes back from the brink, she would have been responsible for killing Sarah--not just an innocent, but Stefan's niece and someone that Stefan has spent literally Sarah's whole life from literal birth protecting and looking over--and for completely destroying Liam's life. And that would destroy Caroline. And what this season has been building and showing is that for the first time, truly, in his very long life is that Stefan is learning to love someone unselfishly other than Damon. And that someone is Caroline. So, yes, for Caroline he would do it. He would do this to save Caroline's soul. To keep her from being destroyed the way he was especially because he was so stupid in not just telling her the truth about how he felt, giving her that succor in this awful time she was going through."

(I enjoy the show more when I'm spoiler free).

ME TOO!

I'm wondering how the writers are going to get them to turn their humanity switches back on?

I have a theory now because of something someone suggested. It would be awesome if Caroline brought Stefan back, and now I wonder if that will be it... if Caroline seeing Stefan like this is what is causes her to turn it back on, her love for him unable to see him like this. Hmmm...
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Florencia: TVD (Stefan & Caroline)florencia7 on March 17th, 2015 07:23 pm (UTC)
part I
I was SO impatient to read this! I was wondering what you'd say about Ian the Director ;D

”This episode, we felt the intensity. Even in the Damon and Kai scenes where you just had two characters talking, you felt the tension and anxiety because of the way the scenes surrounding that storyline tangentially related (Bonnie and her PTSD issues) were being built, and the way we had the close-ups on Damon at certain points, the pull-aways, Kai's long shots, the length of shots, etc.” - I agree with every word, basically haha YES, the intensity was palpable throughout and there were some truly stunning, beautiful moments.

”The visual image of Stefan looking like he was walking in an endless loop matched and compounded his vocals. It was brilliant.” I loved this. And that dark window/bright window shot was gorgeous.

”Caroline without her normal brightness, now as black as her humanity-less soul, her animated face no longer visible to us and that gorgeous coloring around her dark silhouette. Oh, and that fiery red shade of the color around her. What it symbolized was perfection.” - I think it was one of the most commented-on scenes. It was just SO well done. An instant classic.

”I honestly think that this is the first episode we have ever had where there was literally not one single shade of denial, not one word, not one hint, nada, zip, zero.” - That's true. There was definitely some serious progress there.

”So him choosing the unselfish path this time was pretty damn huge.” - Um... OK, so I have a bit of a problem here. Because while I agree that it was unselfish (to a degree) it was still bad. Because, like it's always often the case when Stefan makes the *right* decision, he only caused MORE problems... for other people. (So much for being unselfish lol) Because now everyone has to worry not only about Caroline, but also about him while he's off the hook, so to speak. It's not his responsibility anymore. Now he's on the side of those who must be rescued, not the ones doing the rescuing. Of course one could argue that given the circumstances he didn't have much of a choice anyway. Still, if it turns out he isn't pretending to have turned it off, I'll be a little disappointed.

”Speaking of Enzo and Caroline, I really liked the fact that Enzo—despite all the history of him clearly having a little thing for Caroline—was not interestied in humanity-less Caroline because it wasn't really her. I thought that was sweet.” - Yes, I liked that too. Enzo felt more like an actual character in this episode overall and that was good. Hopefully his storyline will manage to become more prominent before he gets killed off.

”The Damon and Elena of before with that shared history would have been in communication throughout the episode.” - That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

”Instead, she didn't even know about it. He's facing this all alone because he doesn't feel that connection with *this* Elena. It's like she's not *his* Elena because she doesn't have those memories of all that they've shared.” - That's a VERY plausible explanation and it makes me both sad AND hopeful, that it's a sign this problem *must* be dealt with and resolved soon.

”his line deliveries were fantastic. Just so, so good.” - I have to say, I liked Liam this way around WAY more. His scene with Stefan was hilarious.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline01arabian on March 19th, 2015 08:34 am (UTC)
Re: part I
”Caroline without her normal brightness, now as black as her humanity-less soul, her animated face no longer visible to us and that gorgeous coloring around her dark silhouette. Oh, and that fiery red shade of the color around her. What it symbolized was perfection.” - I think it was one of the most commented-on scenes. It was just SO well done. An instant classic.

Yeah, this one I saw commented on everywhere. It was very visually striking and hard to miss. That ws why I really wanted to comment on the other moments that stood out as well. Even though I did find this one beautiful too and I wanted to point out WHY it was so powerful and that it wasn't just the visual power.


Um... OK, so I have a bit of a problem here. Because while I agree that it was unselfish (to a degree) it was still bad.

I don't think that's fair. Because you're talking about a hypothetical bad. Three people's lives were GOING to be destroyed. Period. There was no question. Sarah through death. Liam through killing Sarah. Caroline through compelling Liam to kill Sarah. This bad was going to absolutely happen; there was no hypotthetical possibility going on. Stefan turning his switch off is bad, but they can bring him back before something potentially, possibly happens. By turning his switch on right now (something that Stefan selfishly does not want to do because it effects him and makes him feel bad--let's get real, Stefan doesn't care all that much about killing people because he does it all the time in the name of necessity, it's just about his self-image), Stefan is choosing to do something he DOES NOT WANT TO DO FOR CAROLINE. That is unselfish when look at the big picture.

Still, if it turns out he isn't pretending to have turned it off, I'll be a little disappointed.

I don't believe he's pretending.

before he gets killed off.

Why do you think he's getting killed off?

That's a VERY plausible explanation and it makes me both sad AND hopeful, that it's a sign this problem *must* be dealt with and resolved soon.

Yes, it makes sense, but I have to say I don't think that this is a huge problem that's been dragging on and on honestly. Three episodes ago, Damon and Elena made love again for the first time and they kissed a few episodes before that. And it's been roughly a week (if that--which involved the death of one of his dearest friends and she did help him resolve something then in writing the eulogy) since then in show time. It's not like they've been dragging this lack of communication out forever. So just NOW with all this happening are we seeing the effect of this so it makes sense now that we're getting this feel of needing the communication, that D/E connection back. I think it's on purpose.

”his line deliveries were fantastic. Just so, so good.” - I have to say, I liked Liam this way around WAY more. His scene with Stefan was hilarious.

Well, I always liked Liam, so.... :D I knew the thing with him and Elena was just pfft, so I was able to see past that and just enjoy the character, surprisingly enough.

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Florencia: DE (Belong)florencia7 on March 17th, 2015 07:25 pm (UTC)
part II
”So she kinda felt that he understood, and so when he failed so miserably, it felt like a betrayal.” - That's a good point. I wasn't happy about the fight, but I have no doubt it won't last for long and things will be well between them again soon enough.

”Are they doing a love/hate relationship here?” - This is a mystery. I have no idea. But you're right that some hints are definitely there, so who knows? With Jeremy out of the picture... It's not like anyone can stay single for long on this show lol

”I'm still thinking it's possible that she was a member of the Gemini coven herself. That would explain why they didn't kill her, but instead imprisoned her. After all, they didn't kill Kai, but imprisoned him, one of their own.” - Very good point. I hope you're right! I hope there's more to Lily than just that she was a ripper (because that's so season 3 lol)

”So, a vampire ripper, huh? Well, I so called the vampire part. Called that back in season 01 when I decided that was the Mama Salvatore backstory,” - Yes, and I'm pretty sure you knew this before the writers did! lol

”And, of course, she tells Elena that she's making it all about her when Elena tries to offer up a sympathetic parallel. Yet when Stefan does the same thing, Caroline says he's kind and just this great guy and that's why she fell for him. It really goes back to the beginning of the series... while Elena and Caroline are truly friends, there has always been that annoyance factor on both ends.” - That is very interesting indeed. I wonder if it's just consistency or if there's something more going to happen with that. Hm...

As always, I LOVED reading your thoughts! It was an awesome episode and I can't wait for the next one. Tell me you have a plan to help us all survive the Easter hiatus! Lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena46arabian on March 19th, 2015 08:43 am (UTC)
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This is a mystery. I have no idea. But you're right that some hints are definitely there, so who knows? With Jeremy out of the picture...

Right, it will be interesting to see if they go somewhere with this or if they just set them up as adversaries.

It's not like anyone can stay single for long on this show lol

Well, I disagree with that. Caroline was single quite awhile after her and Matt broke up, and once her and Tyler broke up she's basically been single since then (I mean a few kisses with Jesse, one with Stefan don't count as being in a relationship). Tyler was single since he and Caroline broke up until he and Liv got together. Damon was single most of his time on the show. Stefan has been single since the beginning of season 04, except for maybe a few weeks if you consider what he and Rebekah did as dating. Matt has mostly been single except for him and Caroline and his fling with Rebekah. Alaric has been single off and on. Jeremy and Bonnie were single through most of season 04 and the first half of season 05. Enzo's been single since he came on the show. Klaus was always single. So, yeah, people are single on this show a lot. Just because they're interested in people, falling in and out of love, have feelings, crushes, etc. doesn't mean they're in relationships, it means they're not dead/human/undead.

That is very interesting indeed. I wonder if it's just consistency or if there's something more going to happen with that. Hm...

Me too, because I noted Elena being snarky about Caroline at the beginning of the season too. Hmm... indeed.

As always, I LOVED reading your thoughts! It was an awesome episode and I can't wait for the next one.

I KNOW!! And as always thanks for responding!

Tell me you have a plan to help us all survive the Easter hiatus!

I do not because I've GOT to start working on the season 01 write-ups.
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ab4157ab4157 on March 18th, 2015 09:43 am (UTC)
I loved all of the Steroline this episode. I didn't think they'd EVER go there with them turning it off together...I'm so excited to see what happens next episode. Squeee. And, I kind of love that he didn't pretend with Caroline. He didn't fake turning his switch off. He plunged in with her. So dark and twisted and selfless and selfish. I love it.

Candice Accola has great comedic timing. Her acting has emotional depth to it, yes, but man that girl can make me laugh!

I found the writing for Elena pretty weird this episode as well. I think her POV hasn't been explored with enough depth/consistency (or as much as I'd like from a protagonist) lately. I just feel like, not only are we missing our Elena, not only is Damon missing his Elena, but we also don't know who the Elena in front of us is. I mean...I kind of do? But, that's not really good enough for me. So, I definitely think her getting her memories back ASAP will help a whole lot.

I really liked reading your analysis of the various shots Ian chose. I tend to rewatch movies/TV on mute, so I can pay better attention to cinematography/visual stuff. I feel like scripts are just a blueprint or a map or something...I don't know. Anyway, it's always fun to see how people read framing, lighting, etc.
Arabian: Damon & Elena44arabian on March 19th, 2015 09:23 am (UTC)
I loved all of the Steroline this episode. I didn't think they'd EVER go there with them turning it off together...I'm so excited to see what happens next episode. Squeee. And, I kind of love that he didn't pretend with Caroline. He didn't fake turning his switch off. He plunged in with her. So dark and twisted and selfless and selfish. I love it.

Yes, yes, yes, but I don't think it was selfish. I just don't. I'm gonna keep arguing that because for me that's part of why I loved it. Stefan has never been selfless for anyone BUT Damon before, and seeing him selfless for Caroline is just feeling me with so much GLEE! By turning his switch on right now (something that Stefan selfishly does not want to do because it effects him and makes him feel bad--let's get real, Stefan doesn't care all that much about killing people because he does it all the time in the name of necessity, it's just about his self-image), Stefan is choosing to do something he DOES NOT WANT TO DO FOR CAROLINE. That is unselfish when looking at the big picture.

Candice Accola has great comedic timing. Her acting has emotional depth to it, yes, but man that girl can make me laugh!

Agreed; she has great line delivery with perfect comic timing. She hits just the right beat

I found the writing for Elena pretty weird this episode as well.

I didn't because to me this is who Elena is WITHOUT the depth/consistency that she's gained with her experience of loving/living with loving Damon. Elena matured and grew so much as a person, willing to look past the surface, not just blindly accept things at face value, willing to no longer just bury her head because it was easier (ala how she was during her relationship with Matt--what we know of it--and defintely when she was with Stefan). Without those memories of who she was, how she grew, it makes perfect sense that Elena is not going to look deeper into Bonnie's issues upon her return, into the fact that if Stefan has a niece why doesn't Damon know. It's going to make sense that Elena isn't looking into ANYTHING that's going on with more of a, well, ADULT perspective. She's now facing situations as more of an older teenager than as a young woman.

I just feel like, not only are we missing our Elena, not only is Damon missing his Elena, but we also don't know who the Elena in front of us is. I mean...I kind of do?

You're right, you do kinda do... you just haven't seen this Elena in awhile and even then she was gradually growing up, being pushed and prodded by her feelings for Damon as he helped awaken her up to seeing the world in shades of gray instead of just black and white.

So, I definitely think her getting her memories back ASAP will help a whole lot.

As I've said to a few other posters in this thread, only NOW with all this happening are we seeing the effect of this communication disconnect between Damon and Elena (as evidenced in this episode) so it makes sense now that we're getting this feel of needing the communication, that D/E connection back. I think it's on purpose. I think we're getting somewhere; I do.

I really liked reading your analysis of the various shots Ian chose.

Thank you.

I tend to rewatch movies/TV on mute, so I can pay better attention to cinematography/visual stuff. I feel like scripts are just a blueprint or a map or something...I don't know.

As a writer, I can't agree with that, LOL! The words are *very* important. Yes, the visuals matter a whole bunch, but its the combination that gives you the full power--it's when the blend together that you get the true scope of the storyteller's intention. For example, it wasn't just the visual cue of Stefan seeming to walk in a neverending loop, it was paired with his rising tone of frustration. That was was created that feel; it was the combination. They worked in tandem together. (But, again, writer here, LOL!)

Anyway, it's always fun to see how people read framing, lighting, etc.

Agreed. It is fun. Anyhoo, thanks for commenting. Always appreciated. :)
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tj2013tj2013 on March 18th, 2015 01:06 pm (UTC)
Hey there, thanks for sharing your thoughts, a pleasure to read, as always!

I loved the episode, too and I thought that Ian did a great job, transitioning from one scene to the other, interweaving the different dynamics. Great job!

You called Lilly being a vampire, congrats! Although I still think there is more to her, maybe, as you and some other already mentioned, she is related to the Gemini coven somehow? That would make Kai and Damon... what? My head reeling, that's for sure, LOL. Very curious about that SL.

Stefan has left denial-land, finally! And together with Elena being his platonic friend I really enjoyed all his scenes.

I'm loved the idea of them now having two switched-off vampires on their hands (so no repeating of the single switch off and on from Elena and Stefan) and I am looking forward to the Bonnie and Clyde scheming or whatever Caroline and Stefan are up to now.

Enzo's hair totally distracted me in his first scene. What was that? A hedgehog? But... I loved Carolines hairstyle thoughout the episode. Normally her hair is very wayvy, but I see the new style as a parallel to her personaltiy. Something´s missing, but ... still... I must admit, I liked it. Very cool.

We need Elena's memories back, pronto. We have DE and still don't. And with Lilly the ripper, Stefan the ripper, Caroline the OCD switched-off vampire and whatever comes next around the corner, Damon and Elena will have to work together. They need to get back to the wordless understanding they had. I'm sure it will come, but when?????

And I hope Bonnie and Damon can mend their friendship. They so need each other. I want the others to see what has become of the former frenemies.

So, all in all, very good episode. And thanks for your post and gifs. The one with Stefan in the hallway was great, I had missed that special shot at first.
Arabian: Damon18arabian on March 19th, 2015 09:03 am (UTC)
You called Lilly being a vampire, congrats!

Thank you very much! :D

Although I still think there is more to her, maybe, as you and some other already mentioned, she is related to the Gemini coven somehow?

I just keep thinking why else would they have bothered with her, and they made the prison world for Kai--one of their own--so it makes sense they'd do for it another of their own.

That would make Kai and Damon... what? My head reeling, that's for sure, LOL.

Well, it explains the similarities in their snarky ways, and hey, we had that little hint when Kai compared himself to Damon a few episodes back, right?

Stefan has left denial-land, finally! And together with Elena being his platonic friend I really enjoyed all his scenes.

Yup, yup, yup! Man, I feel so justified in all I've said about Stefan/Caroline as a potential pairing and Stefan/Elena as friends all these years! Woohoo!

Enzo's hair totally distracted me in his first scene. What was that? A hedgehog?

Did not even notice it but that may be because I'm not attracted to Malarkey at all so I just don't notice him that way at all?

But... I loved Carolines hairstyle thoughout the episode. Normally her hair is very wayvy, but I see the new style as a parallel to her personaltiy. Something´s missing, but ... still... I must admit, I liked it. Very cool.

I agree that was the point.

We need Elena's memories back, pronto. We have DE and still don't. And with Lilly the ripper, Stefan the ripper, Caroline the OCD switched-off vampire and whatever comes next around the corner, Damon and Elena will have to work together. They need to get back to the wordless understanding they had. I'm sure it will come, but when?????

I agree that we need it back, but I don't think that it's been this awful dragged out thing. I think it's coming and that the show has actually timed this pretty damn well. I mean, think about it, three episodes ago, Damon and Elena made love again for the first time and they kissed a few episodes before that. And it's been roughly a week (if that--which involved the death of one of his dearest friends and she did help him resolve something then in writing the eulogy) since then in show time. It's not like they've been dragging this lack of communication out forever. So just NOW with all this happening are we seeing the effect of this so it makes sense now that we're getting this feel of needing the communication, that D/E connection back. I think it's on purpose.

And I hope Bonnie and Damon can mend their friendship. They so need each other. I want the others to see what has become of the former frenemies.

Like I said in my post, I go back to that Bonnie always came back in 1994, I'm sure she will here too. And that seeing them get through such a rough hurdle NOW in the real world, in present time *when* they have other people to turn to, but still able to turn to each other and fix things will show how strong their friendship is.

The one with Stefan in the hallway was great, I had missed that special shot at first.

Glad I helped you catch that one, I loved it!

Thanks for commenting. :)
Frust-sheep: sheep: Rainbowheart-Frust-sheep-anifrust_sheep on March 18th, 2015 08:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I have so to agree again. Mr. Somerhalder did a really awesome job here and this not only in acting this time, but also in directing. He really has the good eyes for something like this.
I hope he will repeat it, because as you said he really has a future in directing.

I'm really excited about the whole Stefan & Caroline part, especially now with Stefan and Caroline-humanity free and I really have no idea where this goes. Do you think that Stefan maybe faked the whole switch off part? I mean he really, really has grown. Hm, I just wonder...
Yep, S&C are so perfect for each other. :D
Also I really liked the Stefan and Elena friendship. They are so much better as only friends.
Yeah, I missed the communication between Damon and Elena too, but I'm sure they will do that again soon. At least I think it is really good, that they do not overlook the whole memory loss thing....

And a thank you goes to Enzo from me, that he was not interested in 'this' Caroline.

Thank you, that you explained Damon's behaviour in relation to Bonnie. It is sad, that Bonnie is suffering so much and that almost nobody get it. At least does not see the whole dimension of it. I really can understand that she is angry and disappointed.

Oh god I so hope, that the writers are planning on trying to build something more between Bonnie and Kai. Yeah, I'm guilty, I ship them. So of course I hope. *lol* Ok and in my opinion the scene between them, especially Kai was adorable...in some way, who was out of words towards Bonnie. *lol* (And so that it is clear, I do NOT ratify violence in any way, just in movies and tv-shows)

"Kai looked really good in this episode. The stubble does him good."
Oh YES! *lol*

Mama Salvatore is still a big question mark for me. But yep, I wonder too, if she was a member of the Gemini coven herself. And if she is the really big baddie this season.

To the Elena & Caroline friendship: I so hope that both can overcome that annoyance factor somewhere in the future.

Anyway yep really great episode and I'm so excited for the next epi.

Again I really love your icon. So beautiful! :)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline13arabian on March 19th, 2015 06:37 am (UTC)
Yeah, I have so to agree again. Mr. Somerhalder did a really awesome job here and this not only in acting this time, but also in directing. He really has the good eyes for something like this. I hope he will repeat it, because as you said he really has a future in directing.

Definitely agree.

I'm really excited about the whole Stefan & Caroline part, especially now with Stefan and Caroline-humanity free and I really have no idea where this goes.

I could be totally wrong, but I really am wondering if it's going to be Caroline getting through to him not through Lexi's God-awful verson of torture, but through her love. She'll come back because she can't see him like this and he'll come back because of his love for her. But that could just be the romantic in me.

Do you think that Stefan maybe faked the whole switch off part?

No. I truly believe he did it for Caroline to save her soul, because if she did that to Liam and Sarah, it would haunt her and darken part of who Caroline is forever.

Also I really liked the Stefan and Elena friendship. They are so much better as only friends.

Totally.

Yeah, I missed the communication between Damon and Elena too, but I'm sure they will do that again soon. At least I think it is really good, that they do not overlook the whole memory loss thing....

Of course, they won't. And we need to miss the communication in order to feel the real joy of the return. I mean, seriously, three episodes ago, Damon and Elena made love again for the first time. And it's been roughly a week (if that) since then. It's not like they've been dragging this lack of communication out.

Thank you, that you explained Damon's behaviour in relation to Bonnie. It is sad, that Bonnie is suffering so much and that almost nobody get it. At least does not see the whole dimension of it. I really can understand that she is angry and disappointed.

Yes, I understand it, but I also understand where the others--at this point really just Damon and Elena--are coming from. With her memories of Damon gone, a lot of Elena's growth in terms of looking deeper, not burying her head, etc. has gone to the wayside as well, and Damon doesn't know just how bad it was. But, of course, I feel terribly for Bonnie so much.

Oh god I so hope, that the writers are planning on trying to build something more between Bonnie and Kai. Yeah, I'm guilty, I ship them. So of course I hope. *lol* Ok and in my opinion the scene between them, especially Kai was adorable...in some way, who was out of words towards Bonnie. *lol*

I just don't know what the plan is, but we will will. Either way, I'm so there.

(And so that it is clear, I do NOT ratify violence in any way, just in movies and tv-shows)

Ditto.

To the Elena & Caroline friendship: I so hope that both can overcome that annoyance factor somewhere in the future.

I don't think they ever will. It's just a part of their make-up at this point.

Thanks re: icon. :)
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Bogwitchbogwitch on March 19th, 2015 11:33 pm (UTC)
I wasn't that enamoured with this one, but I don't believe that had anything to do with Ian's direction, just the point in the storyline we are at. I am no judge of direction, but this one had some very nice shots and use of all that neon.

>>I get that Caroline was in a state, but I still would have put Bonnie's state of mind first, yo.

Much as I agree Bonnie needs support, at least her problems don't threaten an imminent bodycount. That said, Elena just didn't understand at all about what Bonnie had been through, did she?

>>Speaking of Bonnie at the rave... oy vey! Not a good place for Bonnie to be.

I'd feel that way about a rave too.
Arabian: Caroline08arabian on March 23rd, 2015 08:24 am (UTC)
I wasn't that enamoured with this one, but I don't believe that had anything to do with Ian's direction, just the point in the storyline we are at. I am no judge of direction, but this one had some very nice shots and use of all that neon.

Aww, really. I thought this one was great. I LOVED the script (and, of course, the direction). But I really did love the script too. Could it have been the link you watched maybe? I dunno. Maybe watching it in a row later will make it work better for you. Hmm.

Much as I agree Bonnie needs support, at least her problems don't threaten an imminent bodycount. That said, Elena just didn't understand at all about what Bonnie had been through, did she?

I agree with you now. Caroline was the more understandable priority at this point.
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Forbes Toughbutterfly on March 20th, 2015 02:15 am (UTC)
Just dropping off a note to mention that I did watch this real quick this morning, but I didn't have time to comment. I'm about to go and watch the new ep, but I wanted to be super-quick on this one first -- I agree with pretty much everything you said... except, perhaps, about Caroline's hair! It was prettier in the early scene, but definitely sexier in the rave and post-rave scenes. ;-)

Ian did a great job for not having much experience -- he's got a good eye for blocking and framing & he brings out complicated and strong performances from his actors. He can definitely direct again any time he likes, as far as I'm concerned.

I just wanted to hug so many of the characters. Full-package Caroline would be horrified at herself for setting up a torture scenario and an agonizing death for an innocent girl. Then we had Bonnie trying to deal with being back and coping with her PTSD. Damon coming to terms with the idea that (as Kai put it) everything he knew about his mom was a lie. Stefan coping with his regret and guilt over not being honest with Caroline soon enough. Elena being so (understandably) caught up in Caroline's pain and trying to help her (and help her not kill anyone!) that she doesn't see that Bonnie is in a really bad place too.
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on March 23rd, 2015 08:28 am (UTC)
about Caroline's hair! It was prettier in the early scene, but definitely sexier in the rave and post-rave scenes. ;-)

Yeah, I guess so, I'm just not a fan of that style. I think it looks stringy, LOL!

Ian did a great job for not having much experience -- he's got a good eye for blocking and framing & he brings out complicated and strong performances from his actors. He can definitely direct again any time he likes, as far as I'm concerned.

Yup, yup, yup. The small issues are something that will definitely go away with experience; he definitely has the instincts.

I just wanted to hug so many of the characters.

YES!

Full-package Caroline would be horrified at herself for setting up a torture scenario and an agonizing death for an innocent girl.

I know! I kept thinking of her introducing herself emphatically to Enzo in "Rescue Me" -- "Hi. My name is Caroline Forbes and I am a good vampire and I don"t just go around killing!"

Then we had Bonnie trying to deal with being back and coping with her PTSD. Damon coming to terms with the idea that (as Kai put it) everything he knew about his mom was a lie. Stefan coping with his regret and guilt over not being honest with Caroline soon enough. Elena being so (understandably) caught up in Caroline's pain and trying to help her (and help her not kill anyone!) that she doesn't see that Bonnie is in a really bad place too.

Yup, yup, yup... a whole bag of misery all around. My show!

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