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07 November 2014 @ 06:46 am
6.06 - 'The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Yay, The Vampire Diaries! Whee!

First I must address my little frustrated vent of a few days ago. I must apologize. It was, ahem, that time of the month and my emotions got the better of me. I always say that one shouldn't let frustrations over stuff that has yet to air get you worked up and I did exactly that. Honestly even before the episode aired, I was feeling better for the most part and had calmed down. I think I just needed to get my 'wah! I miss my couple frustrations!' out. I do trust this show and their writers and the journey that they're taking especially with regards to Damon and Elena. Furthermore, I had told myself (and you guys) no more speculation—because it's just so useless and leads to, well, frustration, LOL) and then I went and did it again. Arggh! So no more! I will just let it play out, I swear! No more speculation! Well, at least until at least the hiatus…that's fair!

Moving onto the actual show. I did like it. It was good, but I do think it was the weakest of the episodes so far and I put that down to the first-time writers on the show, Chad Fiveash & James Stoteraux. To me, they didn't quite grasp all of the characters or their dynamics with other characters. The plot of the episode was strong and the overreaching arc from the first batch of episodes carried over well, but overall the feel was off. And that I put down to some of the pairings not feeling right and some of the characters being, well, out of character. Now this wasn't the case for all. Damon and Elena (thank goodness) were spot-on, as were Stefan and Caroline, and Damon and Jeremy in their one scene. As for individual characters, Damon, Elena, Stefan, Alaric and Jeremy were all completely on-target. They worked for me. I could have seen Damon go another way (see my theory), but he worked this way too—which I'll discuss later on.

On the other hand, I was a bit disappointed in the Damon and Alaric reunion. I get that Damon was not super-happy with his buddy, but still… not even a hug? Ric had been dead for quite a bit of time before Damon "died." And we got, like, nothing? Really? And I get Ric wanting to respect Elena's wishes, but this is just stupid…Elena is not working with all the information here, Ric. Hello!?!? Once again, Damon is right and Ric is, well, being a dick. And the way he was acting with Damon and the way Damon was acting with him, well, there was just very little warmth in their scene.

If I didn't know the history I wouldn't buy (a) that they were best friends, (b) that they'd pretty much been separated by death for one to two years minus about twelve hours at one point. It was very underwhelming. And alas, they weren't the only pair who were underwhelming in this outing. The Caroline and Elena scenes felt off as well because they should have been some talk about Bonnie. Jeremy isn't the only one who should have been bringing her absence up. Why weren't her two best friends discussing it as well? And why on earth wasn't Caroline all up in Elena's business about Damon? Just a comment or two? Elena has to bring it up? Elena's driving like a madwoman, clearly affected by Damon—who she "hates"—being in danger and yet Caroline Forbes isn't grilling her about this while they wait? Seriously? So not in character.

Speaking of…yeah, you notice how Caroline wasn't on my list of characters who were in character? That would be because when she wasn't with Stefan, girl wasn't terribly Caroline-like because (a) she would have been asking about Bonnie, and (b) she would have been wanting to know what the heck happened with Damon, liking him or not, she would've wanted to know, and (c) again, *all* up in Elena's grill about it.

Finally, there was my beloved Matty. Ooh, boy. He was really off. I didn't actually like Matt much in this episode. At first, I just put it down to the fact that he didn't seem to care, you know, at all that Damon was back. But in reviewing his scenes, I realized that it was, no, I just didn't like Matt in the episode and it was because he wasn't acting like my Matty blue-blue.

Firstly, he didn't show any compassion for Enzo and that's not Matt whether he likes him or not. Spilling that blood right in front of him and then smiling about it? That was cruel. Matt Donovan doesn't do cruel. Even his scene with Sarah in Tripp's office wasn't Matt-like. He was cold, and just harder all-around than Matt is. Finding out that Zach Salvatore was her father, both her parents had been murdered, Matt would have stopped to show her a moment of compassion because that's what Matt does, regardless of the circumstance, unless it's literally life or death.

And he *does* care about Damon, he *would* have cared that Damon had returned and he would have wanted to find out what the situation was with Bonnie. I can only guess that these new writers aren't particularly huge Matt Donovan fans and therefore don't have his voice down because they haven't written for the show before. And, yes, the executive producers look over the finished script and what-not, but they can't comb over every single line and Matt has a relatively small part in this episode. That's the only explanation I can come up with for why Matt was just un-Matt-like for me.

Phew, OK, so that was my big issue with the episode and why I think it was the weakest of the season so far. With that said, I still did really like it and the rest of what I have to say is positive. I just wanted to get negative out the way first.

I know I said I wasn't going to speculate anymore, but…I'm going to speculate, LOL! I don't think that the two of them seeing each other is going to open the floodgates and the heavens will rain light down and the angels will sing. However, I do think we're going to get our true Damon/Elena reunion before our November sweeps end because of what we got in this episode.

Elena, despite what her head is telling her, obviously still loves Damon. I mean, duh! And she has to know it deep down. She may not realize it when she first sees him, but she knows that it will only be a matter of time. His voice affected her. There was the trembling in her hand when she heard him speak and that hesitation wasn't from fear, it was because something in his voice touched something deep within her and she felt it. The words he said in that voice ("I can hear you breathing. You know how long I've wanted to hear you breathe?" His repeated entreaties for her to "open the door," simply the way he all but said her name as if it was the most beautiful sound of all.) And every word he spoke and in *that* voice, they arrested her movements and held her still.

 

The fear she did feel when she walked into her room and realized that something had happened to him. And it was made perfectly clear to the audience just how intense that fear was…Alaric telling her to calm down over the phone, Elena jerking to a hard stop in her car, Caroline telling her mother about Elena's crazy driving, Elena's obvious worry over the situation.

She can tell herself and everyone else how much she hates Damon, but her heart knows the truth. That hate is a lie…just like Damon told her. And just like Damon reminded her that what's real is what she feels for him, that's it's the most real thing she's ever felt. *sigh* Can I just say how much I adored that "real" was brought back into play? So, so, soooo much.

I confess that I also loved the hands on the opposite sides of the wall despite how utterly cheesy it was (and it so, so was—come on, you know it was!). Frankly, I just loved the fact that Damon and Elena continue to be portrayed as *the* couple. It's pretty awesome. SQUEE. Even ending the episode just on the two seeing each other was fabulous. With all of the jaw-dropping cliffhangers this show does, that they chose an emotional Damon and Elena 'what will happen with them?' cliffhanger for November sweeps is just fantastic. I love it, love it, love it!

 
 
 

And really, I'm OK with that cliffhanger from a couple-girl point of view, and again, honestly, I don't expect Elena to magically just remember everything because how could she? Compulsion is strong, but spending time with Damon, any time with Damon, I do think we'll see it break her down because of what he said to her. She knows the truth, the compulsion is a lie. And she already knows that because of what happened that night no matter what she may tell herself. And Elena can only lie to herself for so long.

And hahah! She couldn't even do it for a whole day! I was right about her. I kept saying that I simply couldn't buy that Elena would refuse to take her memories back. Something had to happen, something! I didn't buy that Alaric wouldn't be able to uncompel her because we've never seen compulsion not work so the show worked that out beautifully (more on that later), but we still have the borders of the town (more on *that* later). So I figured she would get them back through breaking the compulsion or the town borders.

Either way, I just couldn't buy that Elena would simply refuse to get them back; I just couldn't buy that Elena would do that because it was just so out of character to me. I could buy that she'd fight it at first, but I just couldn't buy that it would last very long because Elena needs to know the answers to questions, that's just how she rolls. She found out that Stefan was a vampire so soon into the series because girl could not let her questions go. No way she'd let the question go as to how she could fall in love with this guy she only remembers as a monster. That's just not Elena.

I responded to a few people saying as such:

I just don't see how it's in character for Elena at all to not want to have all the information at her disposal. [...] I just can't see Elena--in character--not wanting to know the full truth of her memories. [...] it makes no sense for Elena to not discover all of her options. [...] in order for Elena to even think of NOT getting her memories back [...] She'll want to be informed, so to be informed, she'll finally decide to get her memories back to get all the information.
So when she pretty much said that at the end of the episode, I was all 'YES! That's my girl! That is Elena Gilbert, thank you very much.' Using Jo's comment that if Ric wanted to avoid a complicated relationship, he didn't need to use compulsion to hide behind it to be the push that Elena worked fine by me because it was an outsider's perspective and sometimes that is exactly what you need. And it is certainly the conclusion that Elena would have come to on her own eventually. Especially because you just know that she would have had to admit to herself that no matter what her head was saying, she obviously did care. See: her physical reaction to his voice and her instinctive fear over him being in danger. Uh huh.

Will this all pan out in the next few episodes? I dunno, but I think so. I do think we'll get our November sweeps reunion because, dangit, I do trust this show. {Nods emphatically} OK, and if we don't, well I still trust this show and I'm sure there's a good reason because as much as I love the happy times, I also do appreciate well-earned angst.

And you know who's getting some dang well-earned angst right now? Stefan and Caroline! Oh, yeah, indeed. I am loving, loving, loving me my Stefan and Caroline so hard right now. Don't get me wrong. I'm well aware that things are not pretty with them right now and likely won't be for some time. In fact, I expect things to look up in the Caroline/Enzo direction if anything because Stefan, oh Stefan is not handling things well. But much like Damon and Elena had a hard road to travel, so to Stefan and Caroline, but the road markers are so there.

Stefan just needs to take note of them first. It's like now that Damon is back Stefan is all, 'oh, good Damon is back so I can return to my regularly scheduled programming of The Good Brother.' He's all deflecting and, as Caroline said, doing his Stefan Salvatore apology tour, getting all his ducks in a row and making sure that everyone knows how sorry he is that he did a bad while Damon was gone, but, hey, now that Damon's back, bygones! All he has to do is say the right words, do a little dance, do a good deed or two like a good little boy and all will be well. I mean he actually told Caroline to just tell him what she want him to do to make everything like it was before as if it was that simple. Oh, Stefan.

I know I said that Caroline (and the others) screwed up too in their treatment of Stefan in my write-up for the last episode and I stand by that. However, I also said that Stefan screwed up as well. Stefan hurt Caroline also. And he's being way too cavalier about this. Sure, he can play that song and dance with Damon because, well, he didn't hurt Damon. And Elena will forgive him because (a) he didn't hurt Elena, (b) Elena will pretty much always forgive Stefan because he represents bringing her back to life after her parents died, and (c) she just doesn't care as much about him at this point to be hurt as deeply by him. Alaric, again, doesn't care as much so a simple apology, I done bad, works.

With Caroline, on the other hand, that isn't going to fly. Stefan actually has to make an effort and he has to actually figure out why he did what he did, why he hurt Caroline the most of all and continued to hurt her the most of all even though *she* tried to help him the most of them all. Deflection, a simple apology, they ain't gonna work, boo.

And this? Is why Stefan and Caroline are perfect for one another. They wouldn't have been before. Before she was with Tyler, and he put her on a pedestal and then Matt decided he wanted her back, and then Klaus decided she was worthy of an Original hybrid's major crush, Caroline would have just accepted it because 'ooh! Cute boy I like!' But now, Caroline does have self-worth. She does get that she deserves more and deserves to be treated better no matter how cute the boy is. So she's going to make him work for her respect, her friendship…and maybe more. Elena would have just accepted his apology and felt for his pain because that's how Elena and Stefan were. Not Caroline. She's gonna school that boy, but the right way. (Take notes, Lexi, wherever ya are!)

And aside from that, I was just loving all of their scenes, even if Caroline was basically tearing into him during all of them. (Hey, he deserved it!) Them walking in the woods, sigh, it reminded me of the first time when they were in the woods in "Bad Moon Rising" and there was danger and Stefan whooshed her away to safety, and he did it again here too. And they were close for a moment and Caroline had to look away because there was *tension.* I loved it.

 

And then in the final scene, how Stefan just hopped up when he saw her and went chasing after her. It's like he doesn't even realize he's into her, but he is. But he doesn't even realize it. He's so stupid. I love you, Stefan. But boo, you gotta wake up and smell the blonde! But good on you, Caroline, you teach him to treat you better.

 
 

Stefan will get there. After all, Damon is. I am so proud of him. I said at the top of the post that Damon was in character, but I could have seen him react in another way—which was the whole basis of my theory—that Damon was going to push Ric to not uncompel Elena because she was happy and he wanted her to be happy. Instead, we saw this. Damon wanting to Elena to be happy, but be happy with Damon.

My theory was based on the fact that we never had that damn toxic-nonsense conversation between Damon and Elena (which now I am totally bitter about, harrumph!) and so therefore Damon would believe that she couldn't be truly happy with him. This, I still think, could have been a perfectly viable way to go. However, clearly they are going the route that Damon is secure enough since they got over their relationship issues because they were both so freaking miserable without each other that he's on the 'nope, we should be happy together' train. And that works for me too. Damon has been through a lot of character development. He could always use more (what television character couldn't?), but he has had tons and more would just be angsty and painful, and honestly, I'm just used to Damon getting a crapload of pain and angst thrown his way because, well, he's Damon. But using this angle totally works too.

And I love, love, love what they did with him this episode and his lovely character development. Damon was pissed off (understandably) at a lot of people, but he just let it roll off his back. Stefan screwed over Enzo and he did that because Enzo was a total dick to Stefan. Elena had her love of him erased from her memory. Alaric did the erasing. And Damon's not happy about any of that at all. So he basically bitched a bit about it and then just went 'Eh, OK,' and then let it go because in the scheme of things he doesn't care because he's back with the people he loves and he's not dead. It's like those months spent with Bonnie and she helped him realize that you don't give up. You still have hope and sometimes that hope pays off. It did for him. So he's got hope; it's not over with Elena. He's back, their love is strong enough. It's not over. That's what Bonnie would say.

Oh, Bonnie. Poor, poor Bonnie. You know, it didn't really even cross my mind that Damon wouldn't think of rescuing Bonnie, but watching the episode I realized that, duh, he has no clue about the Gemini coven being a viable option twenty years later and so he would truly believe that she is lost to them now. However, I'm sure that it will come up from Enzo, Stefan or Caroline and once it does, *then* Damon will be all—uhm, remember when I said that Bonnie wasn't with me, well, about that.... Also, I was talking to butterfly and she wondered if perhaps Jo is a member of the Gemini coven and that might be another way it comes up. Hmm….

I *did* appreciate that Damon tried to give Jeremy some peace by telling him that Bonnie was in a better place. And that he called her phone when he found out that Jeremy had been paying her phone bill. And then in typical Damon fashion complained about her voicemail, LOL! Oh, Damon. Looking at her picture, leaving the sweet message. I really love the relationship the show created between them. Gah, I can't wait until she comes back and everyone sees the bond they have now. Yes! Because she *will* come back.

And when she does I hope all those bastards feel guilty for not looking for her too, damnit! You know, I tried not to gloss over her when talking about the others looking for her disappearance in my write-ups, but yeah, Stefan and Alaric really were thinking pretty much only about Damon. That conversation that he and Stefan had pretty much did confirm that. It was about finding Damon, searching for Damon, the guilt that they had both given up on Damon. Poor Bonnie. You know she was gone too, guys. Pfft!

But, I still love you my Alaric, even if I wasn't happy with your reunion with Damon. (Remember, I'm blaming that on the new guys, not you.) And, yay, you're human! Got to give a shout-out to jairem08 and florencia7 (especially the former.) They came up with and played with a variation of a theory on what the show did. Ric did cross the border thus making his compulsion un-do-able, and he is human now. The mechanics of his turning were kinda messed up in that theory origin, but the show figured their way around it by having Jo there to actually use mad medical skillz to save Ric's life the good old-fashioned way. Pretty, pretty cool.

Still, yeah, I don't like Jo. Cool that she's a witch, and it's awesome that she saved Ric's life (although, damnit, of course this all happened before he could uncompel Elena, of course!), but I don't like her. It's the actress. She's just cold and unlikable, and it sucks because, I like the character concept a lot. I just don't like the actress and she and Matt Davis are so lacking in chemistry it's sad. But, yay, Ric is human again. Yay! Ric is better as a human. Yay!

And what about that other human? Sarah… Salvatore? Will she take that last name? I wonder. It has a nice ring, Sarah Salvatore. So she knows that her two relatives are around and that they are vampires and Matt (being very mean and un-Matty-like and totally uncaring that his Master has returned!) has warned her away. Will she go? (Of course not!) And they're totes gonna eventually do something with her and Matt, aren't they? I don't have a read on those two yet though, I might have better in this episode, but Matt was just so not Matt. The closest was in that final scene with Jeremy, but that final scene was all about poor Jeremy.

Oh, Jeremy. Yeah. Jeremy. Poor baby.

OK, randoms…

- Keeping it on little Gilbert. I do feel bad for Jeremy. Once Damon came back, he gave up all hope of Bonnie coming back. And he just lost it. Oh, Jeremy. I do wish we'd had more with Damon and Jeremy, and I wish Damon had told him the truth, but I do think that would have just about completely destroyed Jeremy so I get why Damon didn't. But still I can't not still appreciate the moment with them because, you know, it's Damon and Jeremy. I ♥ them so.

 

- Ah, Ivy, I knew she wasn't long for this world, but I'd hoped she'd last longer than one minute into the episode. I know, I know, I'm like one of three people who will mourn her.

- Oh, my Lord! Damon drawing a (really bad) picture of himself next to Elena in her graduation picture cracked me up. As did him straightening up her room (neatfreak Damon) and then prettying himself up in the mirror when she said she'd meet up with him. Hahahahah! Also him saying "Yeah, I'll meet you here—there," about her room. I loved his little nervousness about seeing Elena again. So, so cute.

 
 

- Damon's damn-near full body sigh of relief when he finally (finally!) laid eyes on Elena slayed me. Even knowing the situation and the whole mess of things, just seeing her you could just about literally see some of the stress rise off of him when he looked at her for the first time in four months. Just a beautiful moment of acting by Ian Somerhalder.


- I was disappointed that Elena didn't just cross over the Mystic Falls border real quick. She was right there. It would have taken like two seconds to break the compulsion. Seriously! Ugh!

- Aww, Stefan risked dying to save Damon. And then Damon risked dying so that Stefan could save Enzo first (which Stefan did—just like when Elena made Stefan save Matt over her, aww!, but stupid just like then, at least Stefan is consistent, although admittedly he did have time to save them both this time).

- So Enzo died of consumption just like Damon and Stefan's mother did, hmm.

- So did Tripp die? Did I miss that? Do I care? Damn you, Tripp!

- I still think I'm right about Liam's place in the big picture. There's no way he's any competition for Damon. Even convinced she hates him, Elena is already feeling things for Damon. Liam is dead man walking in the "love interest" department, but yet, they've introduced him into secrets. Of course, I could be totes wrong too.

- The episode titles are just ridiculous, I am sorry, but they are. They are just ridiculous.

- OK, call me crazy, but one last thing, considering what happened with Alaric, couldn't Elena, Damon and Stefan be human again? Especially Elena? She drowned and it took her long enough to die that with Jo there she could pump the water out of her lungs, do CPR, whatever and Elena would live. Voila! Elena is human again.

As for Stefan and Damon, judging from the spread of blood on their shirts, they were shot in the abdomen, not in the heart, and based on how they didn't die right away when the spirit magic fled from Mystic Falls, they, well, didn't die right away. So, again, if Jo was there, as long as she could keep them alive long enough past the spirit magic fading away and they lived to get them over the Mystic Falls border so that Caroline (or Enzo) could then heal them with vampire blood, Damon and/or Stefan could then be human as well.

Right? Hmm....

Alrighty then, the first episode of November sweeps, not the bestest (unless the October 30th episode counted—which would be awesome if it did because that was much better, but the ratings were so-so, hmm). Anyhoo, again, I liked it, but I didn't love it and it's the first episode this season I didn't love, but I blame that on the new writers. I think it's one that will improve on repeated viewings amidst the run of the whole season though, *and* the Damon/Elena and Stefan/Caroline stuff was great at least. Onto next week…………. Whee!!! I love my show!
 
 
 
tj2013: pic#120865641tj2013 on November 7th, 2014 12:53 pm (UTC)
I am repeating myself, I know... You are INSANELY quick with your wonderful posts - how do you do that? Do you even sleep?
Wonderful gifs, thank you, I could just stare and stare at all of them. Well, mostly at Damon, but. You know.

Totally agree with you overall.

I didn't like Matt either. He was a cold jerk. I guess he's supposed to play the "we're humans and that's our town"-side, but he is nevertheless part of the gang and I always believed he felt the same way. Heck, Damon saved his life at the Originals Ball, they worked together to bring Elena back from non-humanity-land, he helped Damon when he trained Jer as a hunter... and now he doesn't give a damn? So OOC.

The DE scenes were indeed wonderful and I liked how they were apart at the beginning, and were slowly driven to each other until the moment Elena opened the door. The same technique they used in Season 5 when they were on the phone and then got drawn together.
When Damon's got his voice on, he's irresistible. LOL. Loved his "at least stand aside because I'm going to kick that door." So Damon.

Jer needs a haircut. Or a shower, at least. But I feeel for him. He really thinks Bonnie is gone for good.

Can't Bonnie just try again? I guess Kai built the ascendant (cause I don't think the coven would have given it to him), so why just dont assemble another one and let Bonnie do the spell again? Or am I missing something? But in any case, as soon as Damon learns that there is still a way to bring Bonnie back he will move heaven and earth to save his little "sis".

Ric and Damon? Frustrating, to say the least. After how Damon reacted to him in both S4 and S5 finale, and even if he is pissed at Alaric, there should have been some "feeling". Oh well. Guess we have to take what we get.
ETA: maybe Damon is simply hurt that Ric did the compulsion. Damon had 4 months to come to terms and he knew - or he hoped, at least - that he was eventually coming back. For him those for months were way different than for Elena and the others, who were trying to cope with this huge loss.

I got a kick out of how Stefan saved Caroline.

And I love you speculating, by the way. You manage to speculate while trying to find the positive spin even if you're supposedly frustrated... Can't say many posters do that. In fact, except for the people commenting to your posts, I don't know anyone.

Edited at 2014-11-07 09:54 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon18arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:10 pm (UTC)
how do you do that? Do you even sleep?

I work the overnight shift and only have cats, so when I don't work (my off-nights are Thursday and Friday), I just keep my work hours and stay up until about 8 in the morning, so.... it works out in writing my long TVD posts. :D

Wonderful gifs, thank you, I could just stare and stare at all of them. Well, mostly at Damon, but. You know.

Yeah, I know! :P

I didn't like Matt either. He was a cold jerk.

Right! I figured it out, though. New writers, and this only in the second episode for this director and his first one didn't have Matt in it, so you have only Zach Roerig to go on, and honestly, with the twists and turns this show has, how does he know that there isn't some twist down the road so of course he's going to play the character as written/directed. Look at what happened with Alaric in season 03! However, when you've got Damon/Alaric out of character (same situation with new writers/director not knowing the dynamic), Elena/Caroline (same situation, they had no scenes in that episode he directed--it was "Because the Night") and Caroline who spent almost the entire episode with Klaus where Candice was Silas or playing a side of Caroline she doesn't normally play so it wasn't normal Caroline. Therefore, I doubt highly that Matt's OOC is due to some twist, but rather the writers/director just not really knowing the character, alas.

I guess he's supposed to play the "we're humans and that's our town"-side, but he is nevertheless part of the gang and I always believed he felt the same way. Heck, Damon saved his life at the Originals Ball, they worked together to bring Elena back from non-humanity-land, he helped Damon when he trained Jer as a hunter... and now he doesn't give a damn? So OOC.

EXACTLY!

The DE scenes were indeed wonderful [...]When Damon's got his voice on, he's irresistible. LOL. Loved his "at least stand aside because I'm going to kick that door." So Damon.

He really is. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Ian Somerhalder's voice. It's as irresistible as the rest of him and boy, does he know how to use it to great effect. Dayum. And, yes, that line. Hooboy!

Jer needs a haircut. Or a shower, at least. But I feel for him. He really thinks Bonnie is gone for good.

Erm, yeah, that.

Can't Bonnie just try again?

I think Damon figures that the issue is that Bonnie WON'T come back because Kai won't let her come back without him and he knows Bonnie. Bonnie won't budge. She won't let a monster like Kai back into the world of other people so he knows that as long as Kai is there, Bonnie isn't coming back and Bonnie sure seemed to kill Kai with that hatchet thingie and, yet, there he was fine and dandy not too much later.

as soon as Damon learns that there is still a way to bring Bonnie back he will move heaven and earth to save his little "sis".

Absolutely.

Ric and Damon? Frustrating, to say the least. After how Damon reacted to him in both S4 and S5 finale, and even if he is pissed at Alaric, there should have been some "feeling". Oh well. Guess we have to take what we get.

Yeah, I guess.

ETA: maybe Damon is simply hurt that Ric did the compulsion. Damon had 4 months to come to terms and he knew - or he hoped, at least - that he was eventually coming back. For him those for months were way different than for Elena and the others, who were trying to cope with this huge loss.

I get that, but it wasn't Damon I had the big issue with, it was Ric. Ric should have been more accommodating to Damon. More conciliatory, more caring. This was the dickish Ric of season 03 when he was being controlled by Esther. What's the excuse this time? See the paragraph about Matt and you have your answer.

I got a kick out of how Stefan saved Caroline.

Me too! :D

And I love you speculating, by the way. You manage to speculate while trying to find the positive spin even if you're supposedly frustrated... Can't say many posters do that. In fact, except for the people commenting to your posts, I don't know anyone.

These posts and my fellow commenters are so my happy place! :D {{HUGS}} (And you so know I'm gonna speculate. I already did so in this post, LOL!)
(no subject) - tj2013 on November 10th, 2014 08:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on November 7th, 2014 07:26 pm (UTC)
I didn’t think this one was weak at all, I really enjoyed it; far more than 603 in any case. I suppose you’re right that the Damon/Alaric scene could have been warmer, but if then a few ghostly hugs aside, Ric has always been rather begrudging of their friendship.

Poor Ric was really stitched up by Elena. There was no right thing for him to do. He wasn’t just having to respect the wishes of one Elena but two. He can’t just ignore her agency and over-ride her wishes to remain compelled if that’s what Compelled!Elena wants, yet he knows that’s not what the real her would want either. I personally think he made the wrong call, but I don’t blame him for making it. What could he do?

I can only assume that Jeremy was too beside himself with grief to notice fine detail, but he really should have noticed Damon was so obviously lying to him about Bonnie. He wasn’t the slightest bit convincing!

Yes, I think this memory loss arc won’t drag out much longer. I suspect that we won’t get to actually see their talk in the next episode. That seems like a very TVD thing to do, alas. The promo rather deflates the impact of the cliffhanger though.

I never really disagreed that Elena in-character would want to know her memories, but explaining why she would still be compelled would mean getting into spoilers even if I didn’t know what they meant. I did know it wouldn’t be that simple and that it was highly likely she would still be compelled after this episode, we just didn’t know the why. I had been expecting something to happen to Ric at the Corn Maze, but as that didn’t happen I pretty much forgot about it and wasn’t expecting something, especially this something, to happen in this one! I now see how the pieces I knew fit can together, so I the next couple of eps I think I have roughly worked out. I could still be wrong though.

I don’t know if Jo is a member of the Gemini coven, but I assumed Liv and Luke are since they are twins. I suppose there is no reason they can’t all be members. I had thought Damon thought Bonnie was dying, but now I think of it, that’s just daft. Maybe… no, I don’t know why he isn’t thinking of saving her somehow.

I am suspicious of Ivy’s death. Something didn’t feel final enough about it, though why and how they could bring her back, I don’t know. Maybe this like Will all over again and the actor is better than the part.

>>So Enzo died of consumption just like Damon and Stefan’s mother did, hmm.
Hmm? Hmm? You can’t leave that hanging! You know that speculating about Enzo’s history is my favourite thing! Though this isn’t a particularly useful fact since it only points to him probably dying before WW2 and we already knew that. He didn’t die as a soldier though… Hmm.

I missed what happened to Tripp as well.

>>The episode titles are just ridiculous, I am sorry, but they are. They are just ridiculous.
That’s Morrissey for you. :)

What is this thing with making everyone human??? I signed up for a show about vampires! I can watch boring old humans anywhere. But wasn’t Damon killed pretty much instantly from his father’s bullet? Although appearently now he can hold on long enough to be rescued. Though finally Stefan actually does something! And it’s heroic!

The most significant thing about this episode that I have seen no one else mention yet is that Damon finally asks the question, ‘but what about what I feel?’.



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tj2013: pic#120865641tj2013 on November 7th, 2014 09:55 pm (UTC)
Damon's feelings
The most significant thing about this episode that I have seen no one else mention yet is that Damon finally asks the question, ‘but what about what I feel?’.

Oh, good catch. That's really something Damon has never considered before. That his feelings are important.
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Florencia: DE (Just Happy to See You)florencia7 on November 7th, 2014 08:00 pm (UTC)
OMG THIS POST IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will be back later tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ ♥ ♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:15 pm (UTC)
OMG THIS POST IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will be back later tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥ ♥ ♥

Haha! I saw your name and was all excited and then...there was just one line. I was confused, wait, what?! Just one line response from Kate, what is this?!?!? I look forward to your response.

(And, boy, did you deliver!)
Florencia: DE (Our Life)florencia7 on November 8th, 2014 12:48 am (UTC)
part I
”It was good, but I do think it was the weakest of the episodes so far” - OH For the first time since I can remember I have to totally disagree! ^^ It was the first episode this season (and last season!) that I actually re-watched in its entirety as soon as I could and while I loved it the first time I ADORED it even more upon re-watch. It didn't feel like the first-time writers episode at all. I actually forgot about it while watching the first time and when I saw that later I was really impressed. I think it was brilliantly written, very concise, fast-paced and yet very emotional. They hit all the right notes and I actually think EVERYONE was dramatically in character! lol It was beautiful from the start to finish. Every scene.

”I get that Damon was not super-happy with his buddy, but still… not even a hug?” - A HUG?!?!?! For erasing all the good memories of him out of the mind of the love of his life?!?!!? I'd actually be disappointed if we got a heartfelt, warm reunion as if nothing happened. The scene was perfectly handled, I think. With just the right amount of distance. I'm happy that Damon isn't happy with Alaric, because now I feel validated in not being happy with Alaric! Lol Also, I'd say it's a testament (there was more than one in this ep) to a change in Damon. He started caring about himself and in that sense his behavior in this episode mirrored Elena's who's also thinking about herself, being protective of herself in a way she has never been before. This episode seemed to follow what was said in 5x17, that they had to go separate ways to “get where they needed to go”. They are doing it now. Going separately separate ways. But of course the beauty of it is that the ultimate destination they're going to arrive at will be them together again ♥

”The Caroline and Elena scenes felt off as well because they should have been some talk about Bonnie. ” - Elena did ask about Bonnie and Nina put a LOT of warmth into that single question. Again, the writing this episode was very concise, but they really did include TONS of details, emotions in and between the scenes. Like when after Elena found her room empty the scene was cut to Ric telling her to “calm down, we'll get him back”. We indirectly got a perfect idea of how intense Elena's reaction was.

”Elena’s driving like a madwoman, clearly affected by Damon—who she “hates”—being in danger and yet Caroline Forbes isn’t grilling her about this while they wait?” - I didn't think it was OOC, because I didn't even notice it! Lol I guess I just assumed they were both stressed out, nervous, scared and perhaps that's not a great mindframe for making funny comments and grilling your best friends about being emotionally inconsistent ;)

”she would have been asking about Bonnie, and she would have been wanting to know what the heck happened with Damon” - I kind of figured all of this happened off-screen and I think it was a good choice, because it'd just be a waste of screentime. We know Bonnie's going to be back and something will probably make the gang starts looking for a way to bring her back SOON, so discussing her not coming back right now would just be pointless, story-wise.

”I didn’t actually like Matt much in this episode.” - I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this ENTIRE episode! Haha I actually felt like Matt was very much in-character. This episode reminded me why I didn't like him in S1 and S2! LOL I think later the writers a bit suddenly decided to make him into the Most Decent Human Being in Town... and I bought it too at some point! But the thing is, Matt was being a little different at the beginning and this episode actually was a wonderful callback to that. So yes, I also didn't like Matt much in this episode, but it was actually OK with me.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:18 pm (UTC)
Part I (this response is almost 4x the limit -- GEEZ!)
I actually think EVERYONE was dramatically in character!

We do disagree and I will detail why (and if I get fervent you know it's just because I'm so passionate about it; it's not you, it's me!!). You know I will, LOL! Now, don't get me wrong. I do think it was a very good episode. It's just that Damon/Alaric's interaction, Caroline/Elena's interaction and Matt were OOC. ESPECIALLY Matt.

A HUG?!?!?! For erasing all the good memories of him out of the mind of the love of his life?!

Damon was dead. By every account, he was dead. He was not COMING BACK. Elena was this close to killing people. She was a complete and utter wreck. In every way. Ric was NOT trying to hurt Damon. He was trying to help Elena. Forget the fact that we knew that Damon was still out there, Ric DID NOT, he believed that Damon was dead so he was doing what Ric he genuinely thought was best for the person who was still there. That's what he was trying to do. He was NOT trying to hurt Damon. He was trying to help the woman that Damon loves not fall apart and commit vampire suicide.

Now with that said, it was mostly not Damon that I had an issue with. Other than when Ric first walked in, his smile and the delivery of his first line that I loved, I was not feeling him. I get that Damon was upset with him, but RIC should have tried to hug him. Ric should have reached out to him. Ric should have been warmer, Ric should not have been basically uppity and a dick. Because he was. The scene was not "perfectly handled" because as much as I understand why Ric did what he did intellectually, emotionally, it was wrong, it was a kick to the gut to Damon. IT HURT! I mean, he didn't just rationally try to understand Damon's pain, he sat there almost patronizingly explaining it to Damon. He should have been really, really apologetic. He should have been comforting his friend like hell. Ric should have been more accommodating to Damon, and explained it all passionately like I did above and not, like I said, patronizingly. He should have been more conciliatory, more caring. Instead, he was the dickish Ric of season 03 when he was being controlled by Esther, not the Ric of season 02, or even the Ric who'd come back for those 12 hours when the veil dropped.

For goodness' sake he thought Damon had been dead for FOUR MONTHS! That scene just wasn't perfectly handled. They are supposed to be best friends! You do not treat your best friend who you thought was DEAD that way after seeing him for the first time in FOUR FREAKING MONTHS. No, no, no, no!

Also, I'd say it's a testament (there was more than one in this ep) to a change in Damon. He started caring about himself and in that sense his behavior in this episode mirrored Elena's who's also thinking about herself, being protective of herself in a way she has never been before.

And this is why I said "mostly" about Damon above because, yeah, Ric is his BEST FRIEND! Who had been DEAD for one to two years and came back to life. That's a miracle even in their supernatural world. Despite what Ric had done. It's a freaking miracle. There should have been SOMETHING there. A comment like: "I'm really pissed at you, Ric." {Pause} "But I'm still glad you're alive. Maybe I'll show you that when you give Elena her memories back." Delivered with a snarky bite, but a genuine smile breaking through (which Ian can so do), and then forced back down as he grabs the bottle. SOMETHING. These two are BEST FRIENDS (supposedly!) who thought the other was dead. Dead. As in DEAD. Not on vacation. Not mad-at-each-other, I'm-not-speaking-to-you. But D-E-A-D! Dead.

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Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on November 8th, 2014 12:49 am (UTC)
part II
”Spilling that blood right in front of him and then smiling about it? That was cruel. Matt Donovan doesn’t do cruel.” - He was also smiling in a VERY similar scene with Damon in 5x16, just saying ;)

”And every word he spoke and in *that* voice, they arrested her movements and held her still.” - Yes, ALL the DE scenes in this episode were beautiful, even if they weren't *really* together in any of them (although in a way they SO were, of course :) I loved them as much as the phone calls in 5x16.

”Even ending the episode just on the two seeing each other was fabulous.” - This reminded me of how 4x08 ended, at the beginning/in the middle of a DE scene.

”And you know who’s getting some dang well-earned angst right now? Stefan and Caroline! ” - I love what we got with them in this episode. The walk through the forest was such a beautiful visual callback to one of their “founding” scenes in S2. Also, I loved Stefan complaining about being seen as a bad guy, because a) he was honestly baffled by that and Caroline just smashed him lol b) Caroline used to complain about being perceived as a bad guy too ;) I love how Caroline is now calling Stefan out on, well, all of his typical Stefan behavior patterns. It's glorious already and it's going to get even better I'm sure. I love how he wanted to just “get past” everything and move on and was it Elena a couple of seasons ago, she would've probably let him (even without him asking for it). But like you said, now he has to ask for it, he has to spell it out, because it is Caroline and she will not let him *just* get past things and it's all wonderful!

”And Damon's not happy about any of that at all. So he basically bitched a bit about it and then just went 'Eh, OK,’ and then let it go because in the scheme of things he doesn’t care because he’s back with the people he loves and he’s not dead.” - Yes, and there was that moment at the end of the Damon/Alaric scene, when Damon stopped in his tracks and turned around and the first association that came to my mind (and I have a vague suspicion to Ric's too, judging from that brief look that crossed his face!) was 3x04. But then... Damon just grabbed the bourbon and left! Yeah, PROGRESS! Lol

”And that he called her phone when he found out that Jeremy had been paying her phone bill” - That was such a beautiful scene! And speaking of phones... who was paying Damon's phone bill? Because if Elena could just “press the Damon button” I assume she had his old phone number on speed dial? ;)

”The mechanics of his turning were kinda messed up in that theory origin, but the show figured their way around it” - It was pretty neat how they made that work, yes! And I actually started liking Jo this episode. Her approach to vampires was refreshing.

”I know, I know, I’m like one of three people who will mourn her.” - I guess I'm one of those three people too! ^^ I really thought she'd stick around until much, much later this season.

”Damon’s damn-near full body sigh of relief when he finally (finally!) laid eyes on Elena slayed me.” - IT SLAYED ME TOO ♥________________________♥

”I was disappointed that Elena didn't just cross over the Mystic Falls border real quick.” - Oh, that'd just be SO lame! Lol! We need Elena to actively *break* the compulsion in a beautiful, memorable, meaningful way, not just have it half-accidentally lifted, because she tripped and wobbled over the town line ;)

”So Enzo died of consumption just like Damon and Stefan’s mother did, hmm” - You aren't implying anything, are you?? lol

”The episode titles are just ridiculous, I am sorry, but they are.” - They are still doing the 90s songs for the titles, right? Not that I know any of them lol
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline03arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:22 pm (UTC)
Part I
He was also smiling in a VERY similar scene with Damon in 5x16, just saying ;)

Matt barely knows Enzo. Damon is more or less his friend. He was smirking when he did that with Damon. Just like he would smirk with Jeremy or Tyler. That was like a friend having a go at another friend, being a snarky pain in the ass. That wasn't cruelty. What Matt did to Enzo was cruel. Matt Donovan is not cruel. It was completely out of character. That would be akin to Elena doing that to Enzo. She never would. Neither would Matt.

Agreed on the Damon/Elena scenes. Loved them.

I love what we got with [Stefan/Caroline] in this episode.

So much!

The walk through the forest was such a beautiful visual callback to one of their “founding” scenes in S2.

Yup, yup, yup.

Also, I loved Stefan complaining about being seen as a bad guy, because a) he was honestly baffled by that and Caroline just smashed him lol b) Caroline used to complain about being perceived as a bad guy too ;)

Yup. It's just, ahh, amazing how perfect they are. And I got to say I feel so justified about now. I've been saying over and over that Stefan is NOT perfect. The show is NOT writing Stefan as perfect. Just because some characters say so doesn't make it so. It's "show, not tell." And it just would take time until he finally got someone who would call him on it and now we're finally there. With Miss Caroline Forbes. I LOVE IT!

I love how Caroline is now calling Stefan out on, well, all of his typical Stefan behavior patterns. It's glorious already and it's going to get even better I'm sure. I love how he wanted to just “get past” everything and move on and was it Elena a couple of seasons ago, she would've probably let him (even without him asking for it).

Exactly. Elena would have just been 'bygones.' Totally. Because she was so 'head buried in the sand' with him. Gosh, they were awful together!

But like you said, now he has to ask for it, he has to spell it out, because it is Caroline and she will not let him *just* get past things and it's all wonderful!

Uh huh! :D

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Florencia: DE (I Just Call to Say)florencia7 on November 8th, 2014 12:50 am (UTC)
part III
”considering what happened with Alaric, couldn't Elena, Damon and Stefan be human again? ” - I hope MF will be magic-friendly again, before this idea crosses anyone's mind! ^^

This episode definitely improves on being re-watched, so I recommend re-watching and you may end up loving it yet! ;D

Thank you for being SO FAST with your posts this season ♥ I love reading your thoughts! ♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:24 pm (UTC)
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- I hope MF will be magic-friendly again, before this idea crosses anyone's mind! ^^

Well, you know that I want Damon and Elena human together before their time on the show ends.. I just think (mostly because of Damon's "I miss being human" spiel in 2.12 and the Damon/Elena conversation in 4.13--her words, the look on his face) that Damon and Elena may very well get that growing old happy ever after. And, I admit it, I want it because I think that deep down it’s what they both want, to have a full life together, including children, growing up, growing old together.

This episode definitely improves on being re-watched, so I recommend re-watching and you may end up loving it yet! ;D

I didn’t dislike it at all. I just fully believe that Matt, Caroline and the interactions between Damon/Alaric and Caroline/Elena as illustrated above were out of character. Everything else was fabulous.

Thank you for being SO FAST with your posts this season ♥ I love reading your thoughts! ♥

No problem. :)
(Anonymous) on November 8th, 2014 05:54 am (UTC)
What stood out to me the most, by far the most, in this episode, is the change in Damon. He's unhappy, clearly, with his best friend who compelled his girlfriend to believe that she never loved him, but after the scene in Ric's office, he doesn't attack Ric or do anything, despite the fact that the Ric (as an original vampire) is now stronger than him and nothing he could do would seriously hurt Ric... Rather, Damon angrily -sets his glass down- after their conversation (instead of smashing it against the wall as he would have done in seasons 3) and starts to leave. Then, when he decides he's still angry at Ric, he comes back and -takes his expensive bottle of whisky (bourbon? scotch? despite drinking and enjoying them, I still don't know the difference)- rather than doing something violent - even something as minor as throwing his glass against the wall (classic Damon). This, I this I think, show Damon's character growth in significant ways.
Arabian: Damon07arabian on November 9th, 2014 01:24 pm (UTC)
That was the point I was making when I wrote this:

And I love, love, love what they did with him this episode and his lovely character development. Damon was pissed off (understandably) at a lot of people, but he just let it roll off his back. Stefan screwed over Enzo and he did that because Enzo was a total dick to Stefan. Elena had her love of him erased from her memory. Alaric did the erasing. And Damon's not happy about any of that at all. So he basically bitched a bit about it and then just went 'Eh, OK,’ and then let it go because in the scheme of things he doesn’t care because he’s back with the people he loves and he’s not dead.

I just didn't go into the specifics. But that is exactly what I meant. He was upset with more than just Ric, he was also upset with Stefan, Enzo, even Elena and yet, he just let it all go, didn't let it get to him because he's grown, he's changed and become that better man that was always there and just needed people to believe in him. He finally has that and it has allowed him to see that it's possible to be that better man. It's in him. It is him.

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jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on November 9th, 2014 03:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the review. As always I enjoyed reading it.

I actually liked the episode a lot. I think for me it was mostly because of Damon and Damon/Elena scenes. Damon was perfect. The acting, voice, facial expressions. His sadness and heartbreak at Elena's door and the final scene were out of this world. With TVD's music choices to accompany those scenes it was perfect. (dude can't draw though - the picture of him was so funny. Even included fangs!)
Somehow it think though that Elena won't be that impressed and wont feel it the way we hope. So I hope we won't get disappointed. I still don't know how and if she will regain her memories but really do hope it will happen and fast. If she was to regain them then I don't know how it could happen. There is no where proof of anyone breaking compulsion. Not that I'm aware off. So if that happens something would probably trigger it? Here I think it might be her crossing the line briefly. And then the memories coming back. Also as you said this may be used for her to become human again. I just don't know that the show would turn her now.
I think her falling in love again would take a while and would drag at least till the end of the season. And I want them together soon, like now! Also I want her memories back because those are important and beautiful.
I hope it will only be a way up from here for them. Though I do expect some more drama and obstacles. But hope it will fast.
I'm happy that Elena at least decided the get her memories back in this episode. I'm sure deep down she knows how she feels. And also Elena always hated compelling someone or the whole compulsion. How could she just accept to live a lie?

The message Damon left for Bonnie on her phone was beautiful and so Damon. I think the bunch will be shocked and surprised when they see them together again.

Stefan/Caroline - they are so good. I cannot wait for them to start. I love that Caroline is now really seeing things and calling Stefan out on them. Just like it was mentioned here Elena would be in denial and burry her head while Caroline doesn't take crap and tells it as it is. This will be glorious. This might be a good thing for Stefan.

Jeremy my poor boy - I could imagine him going off at Elena for being crazy not wanting her memories back and not being grateful for having Damon back while his girlfriend is really gone for good (to his knowledge) and he would give anything to have her back. I hope he gets some good news soon.

I think Jo might play part in Bonnie's recovery. If so hope it will happen soon. I would like to have some shot of Bonnie to show us that she is alive but I think the show is keeping it for a bit later.

Tripp escaped the scene and will probably cause more trouble.

where is the CAMARO!!! Damon will be happy to have it back.

I was telling Folorenica7 in our other communication that Stefan is so on DE team now. It is so cute and I just am happy I'm not SE shipper.

I do worry about implications of Damon killing Sarah's parents. I just hope we won't go the same "Damon is a monster" again. Yes it is terrible but it is in the past and we know where he was at that time. Just like you said many times they all did terrible things. They are all serial killers.
Perhaps Sarah might plot something on her own to punish him.



Arabian: Damon & Elena35arabian on November 10th, 2014 09:13 am (UTC)
Thanks for the review. As always I enjoyed reading it.

Thanks. :)

I actually liked the episode a lot. I think for me it was mostly because of Damon and Damon/Elena scenes.

Pretty much how I felt (although I'd add the Stefan/Caroline scenes too.)

Somehow it think though that Elena won't be that impressed and wont feel it the way we hope.

I don't think her first seeing him will do it, no, because well, she did see him--I've watched the ending enough times--and there was a long enough look at him even then to see that nothing sparked. But...

So I hope we won't get disappointed.

I don't think we will.

I still don't know how and if she will regain her memories but really do hope it will happen and fast. [...]There is no where proof of anyone breaking compulsion.

Not of anyone breaking it, just resisting it. But, I keep going back to the fact that we had Elena begging both Stefan and Damon to break the compulsion because of their love and not being able to (but, of course, when she asked Damon it was during the sirebond phase and Damon was doubting things). So I can't help but think that why would they keep having Elena do that if it was never going to happen, so, well, it will be Elena who does it!

So if that happens something would probably trigger it? Here I think it might be her crossing the line briefly.

Nah, I'm thinking the line crossage will be Elena drowning, someone bringing her back (maybe Liam or maybe Bonnie or Matt!!!, they have the training!!) with CPR/pumping her lungs and saves her as a human like Alaric.

Also as you said this may be used for her to become human again.

Yup.

I think her falling in love again would take a while and would drag at least till the end of the season.

Yup, it would take too long.

And I want them together soon, like now! Also I want her memories back because those are important and beautiful.

I'm thinking she'll get them November sweeps, I mean, it's November sweeps. Come on!

I'm happy that Elena at least decided the get her memories back in this episode. I'm sure deep down she knows how she feels.

Yeah, I mean, she had that instinctive fear about his safety, she knows deep down.

The message Damon left for Bonnie on her phone was beautiful and so Damon. I think the bunch will be shocked and surprised when they see them together again.

Gah! I can't wait!

Stefan/Caroline - they are so good. I cannot wait for them to start. I love that Caroline is now really seeing things and calling Stefan out on them. This might be a good thing for Stefan.

It will be and I cannot wait. It's gonna be soooo good!

Jeremy my poor boy. I hope he gets some good news soon.

I'm thinking Bonnie and whatever is going to happen with her will be the hiatus cliffhanger thingie.

I think Jo might play part in Bonnie's recovery. If so hope it will happen soon. I would like to have some shot of Bonnie to show us that she is alive but I think the show is keeping it for a bit later.

Hiatus or pre-hiatus related. bogwitch mentioned that she thinks that Luke/Liv might be a part of the Gemini coven being twins and that makes sense. Also, tams71 mentioned how Kai said he didn't kill one sister, maybe that was Jo! Mmmhmmmm....

Tripp escaped the scene and will probably cause more trouble.

Yeah, I read that afterwards.

where is the CAMARO!!! Damon will be happy to have it back.

Probably still in Savannah!

I was telling Folorenica7 in our other communication that Stefan is so on DE team now. It is so cute and I just am happy I'm not SE shipper.

True, true. Hah!

I do worry about implications of Damon killing Sarah's parents. I just hope we won't go the same "Damon is a monster" again. Yes it is terrible but it is in the past and we know where he was at that time. Just like you said many times they all did terrible things. They are all serial killers.

Not to repeat myself, but true, true.

Perhaps Sarah might plot something on her own to punish him.

Ugh, I hope not!
Frust-sheep: Vampire Diaries: Steroline&Delenafrust_sheep on November 9th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
"...the Damon/Elena and Stefan/Caroline stuff was great..."

Especially here, I have so to agree again! :D
Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on November 10th, 2014 08:23 am (UTC)
It really, really was!
Alisha: Dr. Who (Nine/Rose) Smilekalishaka on November 17th, 2014 09:16 pm (UTC)
You gave me some fair warning about characterization in this episode, so I actually think I expected a little worse than what I got. Therefore making it a more enjoyable episode then I think it might have been if I had gone in expecting better.

Short bullet list of thoughts because I really want to watch the next episode:

- Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Perfection!

- Damon and Elena at the door. My OTPs are varied and all across the board but there are those special ones...those ones that stand separated by a wall, a door, a tear in time and space...and when they feel each other through the door, holding to just the notion that the person is on the other side....it will ALWAYS work for me. I will love it every time. And his line about just wanting to hear her breathe.

- Alaric becoming human! Yes! Good! I like it! I also like Jo's reveal as a witch! I am pleased.

- The rest of the plot I just was not overly invested in.

- Stefan and Caroline! It is happening. It is everything! And I really loved the way that final scene was shot.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline10arabian on December 14th, 2014 06:05 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think going into it knowing what to expect helps when you know that so-and-so character is gonna be off and how, that way you can enjoy what really works. Especially with this episode because what works REALLY, REALLY works and what doesn't is (as I had said) really miniscule and quite peripheral to the workings of this particular episode.

- Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Perfection!

Yup!

- Damon and Elena at the door. My OTPs are varied and all across the board but there are those special ones...those ones that stand separated by a wall, a door, a tear in time and space...and when they feel each other through the door, holding to just the notion that the person is on the other side....it will ALWAYS work for me.

Yup. It's so cheesy and over the top, but honestly, that's kinda what made it so absolutely perfect. It's what made it work so much because you could feel them feeling each other because their love is that strong even with EVERYTHING separating them. *sigh*

And his line about just wanting to hear her breathe.

That just gutted me dead.

- Alaric becoming human! Yes! Good! I like it! I also like Jo's reveal as a witch! I am pleased.

Yup me too. All made sense and Ric works better as a human.

- The rest of the plot I just was not overly invested in.

Right, this wasn't an episode about plot. It was all about emotion, which is why the OOC stuff with those particular characters who were involved with plot just didn't matter as much in the larger scheme of things.

- Stefan and Caroline! It is happening. It is everything! And I really loved the way that final scene was shot.

I KNOW!!!! And... SO MUCH!