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04 November 2014 @ 09:25 am
New-ish Damon/Elena theory (OK, just a slight variation on the other one)  
New theory that's a variation on the original theory (so, yes, if you read the first post, a lot of this is a rehash of that). So first, lemme repeat what I wrote in the other post here about Elena's memories loss, why, Damon's insecurities, no one getting it, etc.

Remember: NO SPOILERS AT ALL PLEASE! Thank you!

Why did the show have Alaric erase Elena loving Damon (i.e., alter her memories so that she didn't remember the good things about him so that she didn't remember falling in love with him)? I think it's to deal with why Damon broke up with her in "Fifty Shades of Grayson." florencia7 mentioned in her post on her lj that she was a bit thrown about Elena calling Damon a monster in "Yellow Ledbetter" because Elena's never called anyone a monster. (Except she has actually, she's called herself one--in "We All Go A Little Mad Sometimes." But that's all about Elena's demons, which she dealt with then.) I had already come up with my theory, but reading that "monster" comment was the final nail in the theory confirmation. Why? Because of what happened in that episode when Damon broke up with Elena. Namely Enzo telling Damon he was a monster, and Damon believing that deep down so absolutely that he ended things with the woman he loves more than anything.

I wrote in that episode write-up that it was all about Damon and his issues. Seriously, this is what comes of Damon almost never been told of the good he does, but only been told of the bad. He just honestly believes that he's only a crappy dude. Damon thinks of himself as horrible whereas everyone else in their group thinks of themselves as good. Enzo repeating that refrain ("That's just who you are, who you'll always be…a monster.") just once again beat that belief into Damon's brain. And yet it's so ridiculous and no one, except for Elena, at this point seems to realize just how ridiculous and false it is. They have all done bad things, and in fact, Stefan has done worst things than Damon. Every single one of them are "monsters" on sliding scales and yet in their little group, only Damon is tagged as one and only Damon owns that branding. And until the others, and more importantly, *Damon* realizes that he is no more a monster than the rest of them; he will never accept that he deserves to be with Elena. That he deserves to be happy. And until he fully accepts that realization his journey will never be complete.

And, you know, honestly, until this conversation, I don't think Elena ever fully got that. [And] there was one particular line—that Nina Dobrev delivered flawlessly where she told him that she wasn't perfect and she said "I've done horrible things too" and that was so key to me. It was an acknowledgement that was no one else ever makes in their group really. Yes, they all do horrible things. But the others and Damon brush them under the rug as, you know, just things that happen, incidentals, but whenever Damon does something horrible it's proof that he's a monster. Only Elena doesn't see it that way, or at least, only Elena acknowledges that she doesn't see it that way.

And that's another key. I don't think that Jeremy or Matt or even Bonnie see Damon as a monster anymore. But none of them verbalize it. I'm sure that Jeremy hasn't told anyone else all the good that Damon has done. I'm sure he never told anyone that Damon tried to make Jeremy kill him while fighting the compulsion (which he did sooooooooo much better than Stefan did, thank you very much Klaus-y poo!). And I'm sure that Matt never told anyone that Damon's supposed big hissy-fit at the Original's ball involved him stopping Kol from killing Matt. And Bonnie's clearly never told Caroline that Damon saved her life, and Caroline obviously doesn't care that Damon has saved her life twice and Tyler's.

And the little things don't matter much to enough of them to be spoken of to Jeremy and Matt because they're at the point where they consider Damon one of them; he's just Damon. Cool, in control, bad-ass Damon who always gets shit done. They don't see the wounded soul, the broken man inside who feels worthless and rejected and believes that he's such a monster that he's willing to walk away from the greatest happiness he's ever known because he believes that everyone hates that Elena is with him… even if it's really only Stefan and Caroline. *sigh* Oh, Damon.


And doesn't this just highlight everything I'm saying about why this storyline NEEDS to happen this way? And, boy, it's why I really hope I'm right (despite the pain I know that is coming along with this). This is why Elena needs to think of Damon as a monster, and why everyone else needs to be the ones to point out that he's not to her; he's really, really not. And they all need to be able to show when and why he's proven time and time again he's not. Because the whole group all have these moments, these times when he's shown each of them individually that he's not a monster, that he's good, that he's been there for them, that he's saved them, that Damon Salvatore CARES. And it's not even actually about showing Elena that Damon's not a monster because she'll figure that out quickly enough on her own just like she did before. It's about *Damon* finally figuring it out. Because as I said way back in "Fifty Shades of Grayson" that until Damon realizes that he is no more a monster than the rest of them he will never accept that he deserves to be with Elena and that he deserves to be happy. Until he fully accepts that realization his journey will never be complete.

And now that brings us to a moment I mentioned in my write-up of "Yellow Ledbetter" that I loved: Damon telling Bonnie that just maybe the negativity between them is because she's always negative to him. I commented that it was about time that he said that to one of them. And it is. And by the end of the episode we saw a change in that *Bonnie* made a meal for them, Bonnie made a concession and was nice to *Damon* for once. I wrote above "I don't think that Jeremy or Matt or even Bonnie see Damon as a monster anymore. But none of them verbalize it." Perhaps by Damon telling this to Bonnie, her realizing it and this changing their relationship will have an effect on what is going to come later.

And what is going to come later? Well, that brings us to the finale of last season. One of my only two issues with that episode was the fact that Damon and Elena didn't resolve the whole supposed toxicity of their relationship. While I did love what we got with Damon and Elena, I wasn't pleased with what we did not get—in that there was no resolution to the whole toxic nonsense. And we actually had the perfect opportunity with the perfect set-up in the perfect timeline. Caroline killed Luke to save Stefan without hesitation right in front of Elena. Later when Elena and Damon were talking in the forest they could have talked about the whole supposedly toxic nature of their relationship then. That was the time to acknowledge. That was the time to say that it's not Damon and Elena who are toxic. It's the entire Scooby Gang that is "toxic," if that's what they want to call it.

I think the whole toxic/bad for each other discussion should have been had before the big separated by "death" goodbye. Obviously they were reunited and together, but it felt a wee bit glossed over and I don't like when Damon and Elena gloss over things because those two don't gloss. It's not them. They are not a gloss-over-type of pair. And the show has done such a remarkable job with not like *ever* glossing over stuffs with them. *sigh* It's just so frustrating because they were actually taking steps to get to that point where, like I showed above, all that was needed was a few lines because everything else was set up. It was there! We were there. We were like, actually, right there! At the spot. It was marked X! All we needed were the words. At least, I did. I guess to be fair, when Damon comes back, they may wind up addressing it then. Because we did have that PERFECT set-up. So it totally is possible that it is still coming. I just really, really, really would have preferred that it came before the big separation.

That is what I wrote then. Flashforward to now: You see that second to last line above? "So it totally is possible that it is still coming." Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure it totally is still coming. However, it's going to be hella, extremely painful before then. Now, I think there was a VERY specific reason that, yes, Elena saw what happened with Caroline and Luke, why that spot was marked X, why all of that happened, and WHY that conversation between Damon and Elena did not happen. All of the above played out for Elena because *Elena* knows now that their relationship is not toxic. She knows now that she was looking at their relationship in a vacuum. But because of the extreme situation, it wasn't the time to sit down and talk it all out then. She figured they could do that later because, of course, Damon would come back.

On the other hand, Damon never had that talk with Stefan. Damon never saw that moment with Caroline or anyone else. Damon never had any indication from Stefan or Caroline or Bonnie or Jeremy or Matt or ELENA or anyone else that he and Elena are not toxic. He just figured they got back together because they are so freaking miserable without each other because, remember (and this is important!) even when he demanded she stopped loving him she told him that she can't. You see where I'm going here?

Yup, Damon is going to see that Elena is "happy" and Elena believes that she couldn't possibly really have loved this "monster" and that she needs to forge a new happier life not loving this serial killer, so, yup, Elena won't want her memories back, Damon will agree that it's best for her because they never had the whole toxic discussion. So while she's trying to have a normal, "happy" relationship with Liam, Damon, of course, will be trying to keep his distance because he wants what is best for Elena. However, he will also be doing everything he can to get Bonnie back and Alaric and, shockingly enough, Caroline will probably be doing some matchmaking--which includes the others pointing out that Damon has changed, he's not *the evul.* And, because Damon has changed, Elena will not only hear what the others are saying, she'll actually see that his actions, demeanor fit their words.

And eventually at some point, Bonnie will come back and she'll totally be team!Damon. And then we'll get the whole Elena realizing that Damon isn't a monster, there's way more to him than just the bad memories she has. And she'll fall in love with all over again--and we'll get to see it happen without the whole Stefan/triangle thing--and she'll get her memories back herself. But *sigh* this will happen over the course of the season and the memories coming back will happen? Who knows when… *double sigh* But, yeah, I'm resigning myself to this now and not to a Damon/Elena reunion in November sweeps because I do not want to get my hopes up. *triple sigh* And as I said the set-up is there from last season and if they are doing this it will certainly help in the long run in resolving a bunch of their issues, it just sucks because I want to see Damon and Elena HAPPY TOGETHER NOW AND FINALLY!

NOTE, THOUGH: I do still think that they also did this as a way to (a) make Elena not near-suicidal and going all vampire-killer until Damon came back, and (b) possibly work Liam into the group since it's just not truly a viable love interest for Elena, like, at all.

But we'll see what happens. I could be totes wrong! And, you know, I want to be wrong honestly. I want them to surprise me, surprise everyone and actually reunite Damon and Elena during November sweeps, get her memories back and actually put the two together and KEEP THEM TOGETHER! I mean, geez, no scenes at all so far this season, 95% of the back half of season 05 separated, the first half of season 05 together, but separated by location and the only time they were together and happy was offscreen. The season before separated by the sire bond. So, yes, I would LOVE to be wrong have the show surprise us, but, I'm not going to hold my breath. But… well see what happens.

I will judge the episodes on how they play out. I've really loved the season so far, and I don't love The Vampire Diaries just because of Damon and Elena and in the big picture, I've loved how Damon and Elena have been written. I just want to actually SEE them HAPPY together for longer than a few random scenes here and there.
 
 
 
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on November 4th, 2014 07:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah and this would be why I thought that Elena’s memories and a full DE reunion wouldn’t be happening soon, but I’m not fully convinced right now that it’ll be a season long arc, therefore the reasoning behind thinking it might be at the mid-season finale. Hence why I didn’t think this would be the story I think they are telling because it fits, but doesn’t fit, spoilers I have heard. I don’t know, I think it’s a fair assessment to think that this is a story that should take a while to conclude, but yet Stefan got over his PTSD after an hour in a box (and did that solve his Ripper issues too??? I wasn’t clear on that, but he is drinking blood bags now so unless I have forgotten something, they don’t seem to be a problem anymore) perhaps it will only take a couple of episodes to work through?

I think it’s not really Damon’s actions now that are the problem, but his general abrasiveness which fosters negativity towards him in others. He rubs people up the wrong way but people still forge relationships with him and his circle of friends is a lot wider than Stefan’s, who might be easier to get along with on the surface, but is actually at a distance from the rest of the gang. Excluding Caroline and Lexi (and Elena now, though I question how close she actually is at this moment), he’s had no other close friends, now or in the past (that we’ve seen). The others don’t look to him, even when Damon isn’t there. Therefore that leads to no one really recognising the depth of Stefan’s grief.
Arabian: Damon & Elena42arabian on November 5th, 2014 05:43 am (UTC)
The thing is that I really, really, really, REALLY don't want it to be that case. I just want to be wrong. I want them to surprise us and actually give us Damon/Elena. I mean, no scenes all season. The back half of season 05 they spent 95% of it apart from each other, the front half, technically together, but a lot of it apart because of location and then most of season 04 they were apart because of the sire bond. And the only time they were actually together geographically and happy for an extended amount of time it was off-screen. And then you compare to the fact that Stefan and Elena had TWO FREAKING SEASONS! and then five episodes together in the beginning of season 04. It's pretty unfair and unbalanced. So, yeah, I argued with you and I'm arguing with myself because I want to be wrong.

I want to see Damon and Elena together, happy and in the same freaking town T-O-G-E-T-H-E-R! It's been five + seasons now. I want them together. I'm tired of waiting. If they wonder why the ratings are going down? This is why. You've got to actually give the fans what they've been waiting for, it's been six freaking seasons already. Give us some Damon/Elena happytiems together! But instead all signs point to another drawn-out angst fest where Damon decides that he's not good enough, Elena pushes him away because he's evil and she sticks with the "good guy" ... and in this case, he's some random dude who no one gives two craps about who just showed up. Who wants to watch that except for Damon/Elena-haters who hate them more than they love Stefan/Elena and can stand seeing her with someone else as long as it's not with Damon? It's just frustrating.

And I can't stand this because I'm getting all worked up over something that hasn't even happened. I could be totally wrong. But it's so frustrating because I really don't think they're going to give us Damon and Elena! WHICH IS STUPID! No scenes at all this season. Less than 5% the ENTIRE BACK HALF of the last season. Give us Damon and Elena, damnit!

I think it’s not really Damon’s actions now that are the problem, but his general abrasiveness which fosters negativity towards him in others.

Oh, of course that's the problem. He puts off an asshole vibe because that way when people don't like him he can tell himself it's because he's a dick and it has nothing to do with who he REALLY is. They don't really know him. It's a classic deflection mode of those with the worst self-esteem issues. That's always been one of his biggest problems. Stefan, Elena, Alaric, they've all called him on it. Once they get back that wall, though, they do see who really is and, yeah, they care--see the fact that he does have a broader group of people in his life. Stefan, on the other hand, has no clue who he is because he's spent the last 150+ years pretending to be the best image of himself because of stupid Lexi so it takes forever to get to the real Stefan Salvatore and at this point only Damon, and to greater degree than everyone else, Caroline, has managed to get to the real Stefan. Elena has no clue who the real Stefan is. At all.
Florencia: DE (1x19)florencia7 on November 4th, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
*sigh* This makes LOTS of sense & you are most likely right, so as painful to watch as it's going to be (hence the *sigh* ;) & I'm going to brace myself & wait as happily as possible for everything to work out for the best! ♥

Although I have to say I just can't let go of my deep, hopeless belief that DE will be back in each other's arms... at least to some extent... whatever that means... lol... before Christmas. I just have a feeling that this whole situation WILL get resolved pretty quickly and that Elena's memory issues are not going to be our main problem in the second half of the season. We shall see! :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on November 5th, 2014 05:52 am (UTC)
Read what I said above to bogwitch. I want to be wrong. I really do. I think it's stupid to not reunite Damon and Elena in November sweeps and I think it's really unfair to Damon and Elena fans. I don't think it will be a season-long issue, I didn't mean to imply that. I don't think she'll be dating Liam all season. I don't think her memory issues is going to be an issue at all once the feelings flood in, but we'll see. I expect her and Damon will be together hopefully before the hiatus, but it should be during November sweeps and I'm thinking that's not going to happen... and I think that's stupid. No scenes at all this season. Less than 5% the ENTIRE BACK HALF of the last season. Give us Damon and Elena, damnit!

I'm not saying I don't expect this all to be good. I do. I'm just frustrated because we shouldn't still be waiting for Damon and Elena happy times six seasons into the series. This is ridiculous. Sure, they had them... but it was off-screen. A few random scenes here and there in the front half of last season barely count... because they were literally A FEW random scenes here and there over the course of six episodes. (That's it because there was nothing in episodes 7, 8 or 9. ) And the finale. And all of their scenes in the back half were fights, break-ups, involved secrets (including the cute phone calls in 16 because we knew that Damon was holding out a HUGE secret on her). Yeah, we got the two short scenes in 20 and 21, which were lovely, but they were broken up, they weren't together. (I'm not counting season 04 because of the sire bond.)

So, yes, it will be good, possibly, probably great. I'm just frustrated because when do we get the pay-off? We're on SEASON SIX! When is our pay-off?! I don't want to wait until the last couple of episodes. I want to enjoy a good, long stretch of my freaking couple. Not angst, angst, angst, angst and then oh, here you go, five seconds of happiness. That is not going to cut it. I will not be a happy viewer.

Edited at 2014-11-05 05:54 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on November 5th, 2014 10:36 am (UTC)
All of what you said! It was driving me crazy for all S5 - and considering that i HATED S4 sire-bond crap and how sloppy it was executed and resolved - i NEEDED the pay off in S5! I was dreaming of a couply-Delena without the question whether it was all real hanging over their heads - and as you pointed out we got bits and pieces here and there, a bunch of unnecessary drama for the sake of drama with those soap opera style break ups. And Damon's meltdown that IMO was not true to the amount of character growth he's been through by S5 - was the last straw and I stopped watching the season. So yeah - you are absolutely right - if you are not giving your viewers the pay off they've been waiting for forever, if the angst is so strong and constant and there barely are relief periods - the audience will just get tired of waiting and quit.
But having said that I try really hard not to lose hope for the best because I picked S6 up and i love it so far. I got my (super-definitive lol ) resolution for the sire bond and i love love love Steroline angst and all things Alaric and i really hope the writers don't screw up by dragging unnecessary DE angst for too long. Really hope. I can't imagine they won't resolve this before the first hiatus - it'll really discourage viewers imo - especially considering DE hasn't had any scenes together for 5 eps now! Besides it can't be long before Elena decides to get uncompelled - with Damon alive and everyone around been able to answer her questions and encouraging her to remember the reality it'll be very strange for her to persist in living a false life knowing her memory has been tampered and not want to fix it. It'll just look forced and OOC.
I only wonder if Caroline wouldn't suddenly support Elena's "fresh start" because she was oppose to that because it meant she was supposed to pretend with Elena - and now Elena knows about Damon/compulsion and Caroline don't have to pretend and besides now Elena is anti-Damon which resonates with Carolines feelings, so may be she'll advice not to remember which will make Elena doubt and hesitate longer? Or do you think Caroline will be the biggest advocate of facing reality? I'm just trying to find ways they can drag it out longer.
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on November 5th, 2014 11:29 am (UTC)
It was driving me crazy for all S5 - and considering that i HATED S4 sire-bond crap and how sloppy it was executed and resolved

Well, I actually liked the sire bond. I thought it was needed to get Stefan and the others, but most especially Stefan, and even Damon to a point, to where they believed that, yes, Elena actually DID love Damon and the others were willing to accept it. It's like Stefan told Elena in 6.04, it took him forever but he finally accepted that, yeah, Elena loved Damon, but it took the sire bond and him fighting through all of that and believing it was the sire bond forcing it before realizing, wait no, it wasn't for him to accept that Elena actually did love Damon. My only issue was the inconsistency. And I was fine with the resolution.

i NEEDED the pay off in S5! I was dreaming of a couply-Delena without the question whether it was all real hanging over their heads

Well, I do think we got that in S5. I just want more.

a bunch of unnecessary drama for the sake of drama with those soap opera style break ups.

I don't think it was unnecessary, though. Damon DOES have these really deep-seated issues that HAVE to be dealt with before they'll truly be happy and Elena NEEDS to understand that he has these issues and she NEEDS to accept them and understand that they don't live in a vacuum and that as vampires and in their own pack group, they basically do awful things--all of them--for each other. It's not just her and Damon doing this. These things need to be dealt with, and that's what the ONE break-up was about. It was a legitimate one that dealt with actual issues.

And Damon's meltdown that IMO was not true to the amount of character growth

I disagree. And you missed out if you stopped watching because the rest of the season just got better. I am frustrated by potentially what may happen, but I think the show itself is pretty damn awesome and I ADORED season 05. And I went into great, GREAT detail as to WHY everything that Damon did made absolute sense and fit his character PERFECTLY in my write-ups.

if you are not giving your viewers the pay off they've been waiting for forever, if the angst is so strong and constant and there barely are relief periods - the audience will just get tired of waiting and quit.

We do need more Damon/Elena and Damon happy times. BUT, I think they are coming. And this is just my 'time of the month' brought on frustrated conjecture that could be totally wrong. I've LOVED this season so far despite Damon and Elena not having any scenes together so far.

But having said that I try really hard not to lose hope for the best because I picked S6 up and i love it so far.

Again, you REALLY missed out by stopping the rest of season 05 (and as someone who ADORES this show, I can't conceive of not watching every episode personally) because season 05 was AWESOME and the second half of the season was fantastic! So, so good.

I can't imagine they won't resolve this before the first hiatus - it'll really discourage viewers imo. Besides it can't be long before Elena decides to get uncompelled - with Damon alive and everyone around been able to answer her questions and encouraging her to remember the reality it'll be very strange for her to persist in living a false life knowing her memory has been tampered and not want to fix it. It'll just look forced and OOC.

Agreed. And again, I'm in a really crappy mood, this is totally frustration talking. I don't do spoilers AT ALL. And I've LOVED this season. I loved last season. I love the story they're writing for Damon/Elena and they've taken the most time and care and crafting with Damon/Elena so I can't see them suddenly deciding to screw up now just for kicks. I have no doubt whatever they do it will be great. And the pay-off will be grand.

I don't know what Caroline will do now. She is so messed up from all of this, Her whole world is topsy-turvy. And if Damon does choose to less Elena be "happy" without him that might be the thing that finally just makes Caroline realize that Damon is THE ONE for Elena. Again, though, I could be completely wrong and they are gonna have Damon and /Elena reunite by November sweeps end. T'would be awesome.
Florencia: DEflorencia7 on November 5th, 2014 06:39 pm (UTC)
Maybe S7 will be ONE ONGOING DE PAY-OFF with happy DE scenes in every single episode! lol We could spend the entire S7 stressing over Stefan & Caroline while DE would be perfectly happy. Just a thought ;)

Yeah, I totally understand your frustration. You know how much I love fluff, so you can imagine how hard it is for me haha What I'd REALLY like to know is whether the writers think happy!DE for two episodes in a row would be boring or something?? Or do they just love angst that much?? Or is it something else that makes them write SO many thoroughly painful storylines, but only several happy *scenes* throughout ALL the seasons??

For now I'm bracing myself (this is hard work! lol) for the next two episodes to be hard to watch, but that's it, then I'm falling back into a fully hopeful mode! ^^
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on November 6th, 2014 06:56 am (UTC)
Maybe S7 will be ONE ONGOING DE PAY-OFF with happy DE scenes in every single episode! lol We could spend the entire S7 stressing over Stefan & Caroline while DE would be perfectly happy. Just a thought ;)

Well, I'm not going to go that far, but I am hopeful that, yes, season 07 will finally see Damon and Elena actually together-together with good chunks of happiness and the drama will be not them! Hell, we better see Damon and Elena together-together sometime THIS season!

Yeah, I totally understand your frustration.

And, again, this is TOTALLY manufactured frustration over something that hasn't happened. Something in the episode tomorrow could happen where Elena gets her memories by episode's end!

You know how much I love fluff, so you can imagine how hard it is for me haha What I'd REALLY like to know is whether the writers think happy!DE for two episodes in a row would be boring or something??

I love fluff! I am NOT an angster at all! Oh, happy!DE would be lovely!

Or do they just love angst that much?? Or is it something else that makes them write SO many thoroughly painful storylines, but only several happy *scenes* throughout ALL the seasons??

I don't know! (whines pathetically)

For now I'm bracing myself (this is hard work! lol) for the next two episodes to be hard to watch, but that's it, then I'm falling back into a fully hopeful mode! ^^

TWO episodes?!?!? Honestly, I think I'll be OK after the next episode, I just need to see *how* they're doing this because I do genuinely think it WILL be really, really good and like I said it's not like these aren't issues that don't need to be worked through anyway. And the groundwork *is* there. We'll see.
tj2013tj2013 on November 4th, 2014 09:10 pm (UTC)
It is totally possible. And it would be very rewarding IN THE END. But some hard times in between. Let's brace ourselves for surprises, good or painful ... as long as they are entertaining ...
Arabian: Damon14arabian on November 5th, 2014 05:58 am (UTC)
IN THE END is key. I just wrote above to florencia7 ...

So, yes, it will be good, possibly, probably great. I'm just frustrated because when do we get the pay-off? We're on SEASON SIX! When is our pay-off?! I don't want to wait until the last couple of episodes. I want to enjoy a good, long stretch of my freaking couple. Not angst, angst, angst, angst and then oh, here you go, five seconds of happiness. That is not going to cut it. I will not be a happy viewer.

I'm just frustrated because we shouldn't still be waiting for Damon and Elena happy times six seasons into the series. This is ridiculous. Sure, they had them... but it was off-screen. A few random scenes here and there in the front half of last season barely count... because they were literally A FEW random scenes here and there over the course of six episodes. (That's it because there was nothing in episodes 7, 8 or 9. ) And the finale. And all of their scenes in the back half were fights, break-ups, involved secrets (including the cute phone calls in 16 because we knew that Damon was holding out a HUGE secret on her). Yeah, we got the two short scenes in 20 and 21, which were lovely, but they were broken up, they weren't together. (I'm not counting season 04 because of the sire bond.)

It is totally possible.

I really, really, really, REALLY don't want it to be the case. I just want to be wrong. I want them to surprise us and actually give us Damon/Elena. I want them in November sweeps, not in December, not before the hiatus, not next year, but this month. But yet, I really don't think it will happen. And I'm upset with myself because I'm getting all worked up over something that hasn't even happened yet, but I'm just frustrated because I want my couple, dangit! *sigh*
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Arabian: Damon & Elena41arabian on November 5th, 2014 06:00 am (UTC)
I know, I'm just so frustrated. Grr!!! I really, really, really, REALLY don't want it to be the case. I just want to be wrong. I want them to surprise us and actually give us Damon/Elena. I want them in November sweeps, not in December, not before the hiatus, not next year, but this month. But yet, I really don't think it will happen. And I'm upset with myself because I'm getting all worked up over something that hasn't even happened yet, but I'm just frustrated because I want my couple, dangit! *sigh*

I'm just frustrated because we shouldn't still be waiting for Damon and Elena happy times six seasons into the series. This is ridiculous. Sure, they had them... but it was off-screen. A few random scenes here and there in the front half of last season barely count... because they were literally A FEW random scenes here and there over the course of six episodes. (That's it because there was nothing in episodes 7, 8 or 9. ) And the finale. And all of their scenes in the back half were fights, break-ups, involved secrets (including the cute phone calls in 16 because we knew that Damon was holding out a HUGE secret on her). Yeah, we got the two short scenes in 20 and 21, which were lovely, but they were broken up, they weren't together. (I'm not counting season 04 because of the sire bond.)

*sigh* I'm not saying I don't expect this all to be good. I do. It will be good, possibly, probably great. I just want my couple now! {pouts}
(Anonymous) on November 5th, 2014 05:55 am (UTC)
I keep thinking of Elena's comment that her type is "hero".. maybe we'll see Damon becoming that (yet again) in her eyes
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on November 5th, 2014 06:01 am (UTC)
With regards to getting Bonnie back or something in general, maybe? He's certainly been her hero tons of times. *sigh*
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries Damon Thinkingamberfocus on November 5th, 2014 05:58 am (UTC)
I don't think we'll see them reunited as a couple until the end of February sweeps, honestly, maybe not even until the end of the season, but I sure hope it doesn't take that long. I'm sure Damon will be warring with himself between being selfless and being selfish a lot in November, though, and we'll get some excellent angst and anger. I'm pretty sure he'll go with noble in the end, but I kind of want it to be a struggle because he's so good when he's walking that line, knowing what he thinks is the right thing to do but still fighting to choose to do it because it will be the hardest thing in the world to give her up and it goes against his instincts.

I know it goes against every soapy bit of writing I've ever seen, but I would so love for him to come back and just kiss her and have all of her memories come flooding back, because it's that true of a love. Barring that, I hope Elena has some very inconvenient sexy Damon dreams at least.
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on November 5th, 2014 06:08 am (UTC)
I'm afraid it may take that long too and it's just STUPID! {pouts} I'm sorry but it is! We've literally gotten no scenes at all this season (Elena's hallucinations don't count because that wasn't actually Damon). Less than 5% the ENTIRE BACK HALF of the last season, and in the first half there were literally just random scenes of the two here and there, but mostly they were separated then two geographically. It's so frustrating. Six seasons in and we're STILL waiting for pay-off. The only extended, happy times TOGETHER that Damon and Elena have had was... off-screen. And now all signs point to yet another extended, angst-filled separation. And they wonder why their fans are pissed off and leaving in droves? Oh maybe because they've yet to give their biggest fanbase anything but crumbs and continue to do nothing but emotionally crap all over their most popular character. I mean, seriously! You've got to dole out some sunshine with the rain, folks!

I know, I know, I'm breaking my cardinal rule here, I'm getting all frustrated over something that hasn't even happened and I could be completely wrong and I really, really hope I am. I just really, really don't think I am. I really, really, really, REALLY want to be though. I want them to shock the hell out of us.

*sigh* I'm not saying I don't expect this all to be good. I do. It will be good, possibly, probably great. I just want my couple now! {pouts}

I know it goes against every soapy bit of writing I've ever seen, but I would so love for him to come back and just kiss her and have all of her memories come flooding back, because it's that true of a love.

That would be pretty awesome!!!

I hope Elena has some very inconvenient sexy Damon dreams at least.

I'll take that too! Or maybe even Damon could have some flashbacks to the summer of love so we could at least see the damn thing!
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on November 5th, 2014 01:50 pm (UTC)
I really hope you are wrong but your theory is totally possible and it will hurt. I do hope they will get reunited before Christmas latest.
I understand your frustration with not enough happy DE onscreen time. There was always something. When they were happy we didn't get to see it. But I'm sure there is a purpose to it. But it sucks none the less. I just need them to be together and happy.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on November 6th, 2014 07:16 am (UTC)
I really hope you are wrong but your theory is totally possible and it will hurt. I do hope they will get reunited before Christmas latest.

I hope I'm wrong too, and definitely hope we get a reunion before the hiatus comes at least!

I understand your frustration with not enough happy DE onscreen time. There was always something. When they were happy we didn't get to see it. But I'm sure there is a purpose to it. But it sucks none the less. I just need them to be together and happy.

Right? But, I keep telling myself *right now* that I'm getting frustrated over something that hasn't even happened and I have to stop it! Grr!
Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellations: Delena kiss 1thesicko1012 on November 5th, 2014 03:35 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I really need this to sort itself out in the next few episodes. I don't know, it's just so emotionally draining. I mean, in the last couple of minutes in last weeks episode, when Elena was having that scene with Liam my heart was pounding in fear that Damon would have shown up in that moment. As excited as I am for the next episode, I KNOW that when he finds out about Elena it's going to hurt like a bitch to watch.

Personally, however, I do think this will all be cleared up by the end of November. I guess that I just have this feeling like Elena won't be able to go so long without understanding why she loved Damon in the first place. I think the more confused she gets, the more she sees his good side, the more those memories will try to find their way back in. And also, I am kind of wary about how effective Alaric's method of compulsion is going to be. I mean, all he did was change certain memories until he found the moment she fell in love with Damon and hoped that all her other memories would fall in line with that. To me it just seems like compulsion wouldn't really work that way (you have to be direct and specific about what you want from the person, otherwise you just have a bunch of loop holes), so there really isn't anything keeping Elena from remembering on her own.
Arabian: Damon & Elena30arabian on November 6th, 2014 07:23 am (UTC)
Honestly, I really need this to sort itself out in the next few episodes. I don't know, it's just so emotionally draining.

*sigh* It is. But I (a) I am getting frustrated over something that hasn't happened yet, I have to keep telling myself, and (b) I have really loved this season so far.

I mean, in the last couple of minutes in last weeks episode, when Elena was having that scene with Liam my heart was pounding in fear that Damon would have shown up in that moment.

See, and I didn't. Hmm. I mean, I didn't like the scene, but I was just interally rolling my eyes even while I was annoyed because I was all 'whatever.' Liam is just NO competition. He's just not even remotely viable as a love interest. And it just honestly didn't cross my mind that Damon was going to show up then. It really didn't.

As excited as I am for the next episode, I KNOW that when he finds out about Elena it's going to hurt like a bitch to watch.

By setting it up how they have, I just can't seeing it be THAT bad, though. By seeing Stefan first, Damon WILL KNOW exactly what went down. He's going to know EXACTLY why Elena did it. She loved him so much, she was falling apart so completely that she literally had to cut her love for him and her memory of him out of her life or she was going to pretty much lose it. Elena Gilbert, who despite EVERYTHING she has gone through, never even remotely went there in her mind before--except for when she was being psychotically manipulated by the Hunter's curse. But losing Damon? That pushed her there. So, it will hurt, but the circumstances of it will also tell him how much she loved him too.

Personally, however, I do think this will all be cleared up by the end of November.

I'm hopeful, I really am. And, again, I am letting myself get frustrated over something that hasn't happened, so BAD JEN!

I guess that I just have this feeling like Elena won't be able to go so long without understanding why she loved Damon in the first place.

Right?! It just makes no sense that she won't! She'll question it, she'll have to know!

And also, I am kind of wary about how effective Alaric's method of compulsion is going to be. I mean, all he did was change certain memories until he found the moment she fell in love with Damon and hoped that all her other memories would fall in line with that. To me it just seems like compulsion wouldn't really work that way (you have to be direct and specific about what you want from the person, otherwise you just have a bunch of loop holes), so there really isn't anything keeping Elena from remembering on her own.

I keep going back to Elena telling Stefan and Damon to fight the compulsion because their love was so strong but neither could do it: Stefan because, well, it wasn't, and Damon because his head was all messed up because of the sire bond confusion. But now would be the perfect time for that to FINALLY work!

Edited at 2014-11-07 05:36 am (UTC)