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25 April 2014 @ 02:08 am
5.19 - 'Man on Fire' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So weird having new Vampire Diaries in a row, huh? I'm so used to reruns and hiatuses at this point non-stop!

Alas, I gotta be honest, I was not really feeling this episode. The writing was good, but direction-wise, it just didn’t have much verve. It just kinda sat there. * *sigh* I mean, it wasn't a bad episode, it just didn't elicit much emotion from me and that like almost NEVER happens. So I'm bullet-pointing this one, but hey, gifs! Still, there ain't gonna be much here tonight.

* I no longer think that my issue was with director Michael Allowitz. As I added to that post, after watching “What Lies Beneath,” while I like Michael Malarkey and think he’s a charismatic actor, I don’t think that he’s necessarily the strongest actor and “Man On Fire” was driven very much by him. I think the lack of verve that I felt from that episode I can now lay to rest at his feet as opposed to the direction because the previous episodes directed by Allowitz have all been particularly fine outings in the directorial department.

ETA: I wound up adding a bit more the Damon/Elena and Damon/Stefan sections thanks to some interesting stuff in the comments.

Damon and Elena

- I loved when Damon first showed up and he was kinda randomly spouting stuff and Elena mouthed "what are you doing?" behind Enzo's back and Damon just kinda shrugged. I don't know why, but that just cracked me up. See? Hilarious.

     

- And another Damon hero-carry moment with Elena! Aww! I will never get tired of seeing when he does this. Like ever.

 

- Did anyone else flashback to "Friday Night Bites" when Damon was caressing Elena's face after he laid her on the bed?

 

And when Elena woke up and looked around, I also thought of her reaction when Damon disappeared after he brought her the necklace in "Rose." Both times, Damon was the one who did something for her (earning hero points), but didn't let Elena know. It even had the blowing curtains.

 

I just found it interesting that this final scene with Damon and Elena featured moments that were heavily reminiscent of touching and/or heroic moments in Damon and Elena's history and all of them were things that Elena wasn't aware of (even if she became aware of the "I love you and necklace return later) at the time they occurred. And I think they were definitely intentional. Especially because of those blowing curtains. There is no way that was not supposed to make us remember that romantic, hero moment of Damon's first "I love you" especially with Damon commenting later how he had no reason to try and score brownie points with Elena now. It was a reminder to the audience that Damon had actually never really tried to score those points with Elena. For him, it was always about being there for Elena, loving Elena, wanting Elena to be happy, wanting what was best for Elena... not himself. Then and now.

- In the final Elena and Stefan scene, it was interesting seeing them in such a similar and yet different quandary than we've ever seen before. The two of them have kept secrets from Damon before, but in the past it was because Damon was the "bad" guy. But now, they are keeping a secret to protect Damon's heart, to keep him from suffering. And it was interesting seeing the struggle play out on Elena's face. You could see that she wants to tell him the truth, and I believe that were she *with* him, she wouldn't go along with it because she could be there for him, but since he doesn't want to see her, well, she can't. Therefore, it makes sense that she's going along because she knows him and she knows that in this case, well, Stefan's probably right... Damon very well could go off the deep end. Damon does do that.

I know there has been some concern--that frankly I'm a bit mind-boggled by, if I must be honest--that Stefan and Elena decided to keep this secret from Damon for any reason other than out of love for him, mainly to protect random innocents from another Damon killing-spree. I just don't see where that idea comes from at all. First of all, they flat-out said it VERY CLEARLY. Stefan said Damon has had a really bad year, finding this out could destroy him. Both Stefan and Elena were obviously torn as to what to do and not because of innocents unspoken of, but because they were torn between what it would do to Damon and between keeping a secret of this magnitude from Damon.

They were supporting him; they were looking out for him. Because what happened the last time Damon got bad news? Like a month or so ago? He went off the deep end, killed a good friend of the love of his life, went on a killing spree, threatened the life of someone that he does care about (Jeremy) and basically tried to destroy the relationships he has with everyone else he cares about. This is what Damon showed them he does when he's upset. They ARE looking out for him because they love him.

Stefan and Elena are trying to protect him from going off the deep end again. Because now Stefan DOES KNOW that Damon feels guilt for when he does those things. He no longer is under the delusion that Damon doesn't feel any guilt when he does those things, he just hides them better than Stefan. And Stefan doesn't want his brother to have more to feel guilty about. And Elena knows that Damon doesn't want to have more to feel bad about. They are protecting him because they love him, and, again, you could see Elena weighing that decision out when Stefan told her about Enzo and the decision he'd come to and why.

Another key sign that the two keeping the secret was for the love of Damon is the fact that Bonnie is also keeping a major secret from Jeremy. The two secrets being kept are clearly meant to be paralleling each other as they were done in this episode right on top of each other, and Bonnie not telling Jeremy was obviously done for love, to keep him from being hurt just as Stefan and Elena not telling Damon was done for the same reason.

- It was subtle, but I thought the show did a neat trick of showing how Elena was dealing (or rather in Elena's oh-so Queen-of-denial fashion) with Damon cutting her out of his life. Considering how she kept throwing that around at the top of the episode, I'm thinking she's a wee bit in the throes of an anger stage, perhaps? She did not expect that from him and she was not happy with that reaction from him. Again, it was subtle, but really obvious when you think about it. From her constant mentioning it to who she chose to spend her time with.

There's a reason we had Elena mention Damon cutting her out of his life twice in a few minutes. There was no reason to have Elena tell Stefan that. Clearly, he already knew this information, but yet, she was repeating it to him. Then, she repeats that dialogue to Bonnie. This wasn't done for plot reasons especially when we'd just seen it in the previouslies... The only reason we heard it not once, but twice was to show Elena's state of mind. Damon is on her mind constantly. Damon cutting her out of his life is crowding her mind. That is all she can think about. Every person she sees, the first thing she has to tell them is that Damon has cut her out of her life. This was the writers letting us know that all Elena can think about, all she can concentrate on is Damon. That Damon doesn't want to see her. And it's bothering her. A LOT. And that she is upset about it.

Another sign that she's upset? Who is she hanging out with? Stefan! I mean, really! Talk about FLASHING NEON sign (a bit passive aggressive, but Elena is not perfect, which is partly why I love her) that Elena is PISSED OFF at Damon. Of course she went to Stefan to be study-buddies with. That would piss Damon off. 'Fine, Damon doesn't want to see her, then she'll hang out with Stefan. See if he likes that!' What better way to get a reaction out of him? And that's what she wants, right? To get a reaction out of him. To get him reacting to her and NOT not wanting to be in her life. He may be pissed, he may be yelling at her, but at least he's seeing her. And, hey, Damon's more likely to run into her if she's hanging out with Stefan than if she's hanging out with Bonnie, Caroline, Matt or Jeremy, right? Whether she consciously realizes it or not, hanging out with Stefan is the BEST way to get to Damon, and that's exactly what she wants... to get to Damon.

Oh, and hey, the "random" stuff that Damon was spouting off to distract Enzo? Was to Stefan and Elena about them "suddenly being study buddies." So, yeah, he noticed. Uh huh.

Now is Elena consciously thinking of hurting Damon? No, of course not. Elena's not built like that. But... if a spark of a thought did erupt for a split second in her mind, it'd be a spiteful spark that thought, 'fine, he's hurt, well, he hurt me! So there!' Elena is hurt and angry that he cut her out of his life, and by hanging out with Stefan, she's killing two birds with one stone, getting back at him and making it impossible for him to not see her. Not very nice of her, no, but you hurt the one you love the most. Just like Elena can bring out the best and worst in Damon, well, Damon can bring out the best and worst in Elena. That's love for ya. ;)

Damon and Stefan

- I really did appreciate that Stefan was genuinely looking out for Damon here. He was trying to spare Damon's feelings, trying to protect Damon's heart here. He wasn't trying to stop him from going after Enzo because he wanted to be the hero for Elena, but because he didn't want Damon to have to be the one to deal with Enzo. And he didn't want Damon to know that Enzo was dead because he didn't want Damon to have something else to be guilty about because, yes, Stefan now does realize that Damon feels guilt, he just locks it away. But Damon is being more open with his feelings overall now because he's letting Stefan know these things. He let Stefan know that it hurt, that it bothered him that he disappeared for five years and Stefan seemingly didn't care, didn't bother to look for him. When Stefan said that he was a crappy brother, I don't think that he was repeating Damon's assertion, but I think it was his own thought on the matter. Stefan felt that he was a crappy brother, because Damon had been tortured for five long years and Stefan hadn't known.

But that conversation between Damon and Stefan, wow, that was a pretty big step for those two. It was really revealing and open... of course, it was on the surface about Enzo and why Damon wanted to fight for Enzo, but here Damon was revealing his pain over Stefan seemingly not caring, but more than that he actually said that he loved his brother. He didn't say the words directly to Stefan, but it's the first time that we've heard either brother direct words of love about each other in any form post their human state. And it was interesting watching Stefan's face during the whole conversation because you could see that he was torn. On one hand he wanted to tell Damon the truth because Damon was being so open and honest, but on the other he didn't want to because then Damon would be in a whole new world of pain and could conceivably turn that pain inward or outward... back towards Stefan.

Going back to what I was talking about above--why Stefan chose to not tell Damon the truth about Enzo. It had nothing to do with protecting unnamed innocents or not trusting Damon. It was all about protecting Damon's heart. You could see it not only in the earlier scene with Elena, but in this final scene, in Stefan's face... he was aching for his brother. This had nothing to do with not trusting Damon, this was all about his love for his brother. Who was finally opening up to him, being vulnerable and sharing in a way that Damon rarely does. So, Stefan was torn--tell him about Enzo? Devastate him, send him spiraling back into the darkness? Set our relationship back how many steps? Make myself feel better by unburdening myself of this guilt or protect my brother from more pain? And he chose to protect Damon because he loves him.

There was no upset, no distrust in the dialogue, any mannerism or facial expression, any body language, ANYTHING from Stefan, from Elena, to, from, in any way, shape or form about Damon. It was all about protecting Damon and keeping him from being destroyed emotionally. We saw and heard nothing that indicated anything other than that. AT ALL. Damon was the one who ranted that it was his fault; Stefan did not not. Elena did not. It was Damon who assumed the worst, no one else did. In fact, Stefan tried to absolve him of that guilt... *sigh* not that it took. Oh, Damon.

Damon... Just Damon

- This whole lying to Damon about Enzo? Yeah, something tells me that's not gonna turn out too well. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking I'm not. But hey, I thought that Damon keeping Stefan's secret about hiding Klaus' coffin families in season 03 would be a big deal and it wasn't so maybe the same will happen here. :shrug:

- Oh, Damon. Blaming himself for this whole mess. Stefan walks in and Damon starts on the rant, expecting that everyone is already laying it all on him. It's not his fault. I mean, the Whitmore's kidnapped him. Tortured him. Messed with him. Maggie came looking after him. To kill him. With a Whitmore pen in her possession. Of all the kills that Damon has made, this one is gonna go up there as one of the least likely to go under as proof that Damon Salvatore is evil. Poor Damon.

- Hmm, yet again there was Stefan pointing out that Damon has only one friend (Enzo), and we also had Damon telling Enzo that he has no reason to stay in Mystic Falls. In addition, Caroline was screening his calls, and Matt and Jeremy (sniff, sniff) wouldn't even invite him into the damn house. So, we're continuing to get the 'Damon sucks' refrain and it's getting old, peeps! Please to be having a point and one that is reaching its conclusion wherein the Scooby Gang realizes that Damon does not suck. Pretty please.

- Speaking of Matt and Jeremy not inviting Damon in, OK, yeah, they didn't, but I was amused by the fact that they still listened to him by not leaving the house. Sure, he threatened to bust their kneecaps if they left, but like he really was gonna do that. Of course not. They just listened to him. Hahahah! As they should. Because he's the only one with brains in this factory, I swear sometimes, re: figuring out that Tyler has the passenger in him.

Randoms

- Thanks for clearing up that the last two surviving doppelgangers' blood together does NOT provide a cure for vampirism right away, Markos.

- Seems there is some confusion about the Travelers' magic killing off vampires. From how I understood it, the vampires would have to drink the mixed doppelgangers' blood for that to happen. That's why Sloan reverted to her pre-vampire state because she drank the doppelgangers' blood. All of the vampires would have to drink a mixture of Stefan and Elena's blood in order to revert.

- So, erm, how will Enzo's vendetta do anything to Damon or his loved ones? He's, uhm, dead, so he can't really do anything. And once the Other Side goes poof, so does he. Color me confuzzled.

- I wonder if they will figure out how to save the Other Side or if Bonnie and all the other supernaturals there will go bye-bye. I genuinely do wonder at this point if the show is considering cleaning house.

- I understand why Bonnie lied to Jeremy (just like I understand why Elena and Stefan are lying to Damon), but again, no good will come of this. *sigh*

- To be fair to Stefan, he didn't actually kill Enzo, it was more suicide.

- I liked Enzo, but his only friend or not, he was a really, really crappy friend to Damon. I'm sorry, but he was. At this point, Damon should just get the hell out of Dodge, find himself a better friend, Elena realizes how much she loves and misses him and go find his ass, and then they can have awesome sexytiem adventures together. :)

OK, so, yeah, kinda OK-ish episode. Again, it was good writing, just somewhat lackluster-ish direction. Ah well. Onto the next one. *sigh* Joshua Butler-direction. *double sigh* He generally does well with straight-forward written episodes, so hopefully..... And hey, the extended preview showed that it's not just Damon, Elena and Stefan off at the secluded cabin but Caroline is there too, so... oooooh! So, woohoo! Onto next week!
 
 
 
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on April 25th, 2014 07:35 am (UTC)
My Enzo! My Enzo!

Yeah, this one wasn't the best ep. The final scene with Damon and Stefan though was great.
Arabian: Damon12arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:07 am (UTC)
Sorry, I know you really liked Enzo. But if it's any consolation, I think we'll continue to see him throughout this season at least.

Yeah, not the best, but I did love the Stefan/Damon stuff.
tj2013tj2013 on April 25th, 2014 04:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your write-up, always a pleasure to read – and so many gifs this time, cool!
Loved the parallels. And Damon did the same thing with Stefan that he did with Elena in 4x23. He told them that he had screwed up, that he was the bad guy. And both (Elena and now Stefan) obviously thought otherwise. Uh huh.

I agree, it was not one of the „wow“-episodes, but I liked it nonetheless. It had a lot of emotional undercurrent, verbal and nonverbal between Damon/Elena, Damon/Enzo and Damon/Stefan. Last scene with the brothers really teared me up a bit, it was the first time Damon mentioned he loved Stefan. We all knew it, Damon has demonstrated it over and over again, but when he said it, it had a different quality. You know what I mean? Stefan said that he loved his brother in 4x15 (well, not in so many words, but all the viewers and Damon understood what he wanted to say), now Damon kinda said it back.

And yeah, the fact that Stefan wants to keep it a secret that Enzo is dead will blow up in his face. And not only in his.

So, erm, how will Enzo's vendetta do anything to Damon or his loved ones? He's, uhm, dead, so he can't really do anything.
This! I was confused, too.

So the dooppelganger Blood is not a cure, but it will undo the witches' curse and all the other magic and since the vampires originally were made by magic they revert to their last (albeit dead) human status? Is that it? The vampires are all going to die when the travellers get through with their plan?
Arabian: Damon10arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for your write-up, always a pleasure to read – and so many gifs this time, cool!

Yeah, I went with some gifs this time. :)

Loved the parallels. And Damon did the same thing with Stefan that he did with Elena in 4x23. He told them that he had screwed up, that he was the bad guy. And both (Elena and now Stefan) obviously thought otherwise. Uh huh.

Yup. I loved the parallels, and I definitely think they were intentional. Especially because of those blowing curtains. There was no way that was not supposed to make us remember that romantic, hero moment of Damon's first "I love you" especially with Damon commenting how him having no reason to try and score brownie points with Elena now. It was a reminder to the audience that Damon had actually never really tried to score those points with Elena.

I agree, it was not one of the „wow“-episodes, but I liked it nonetheless.

I did like it, I just didn't love it, especially after last week's episode.

It had a lot of emotional undercurrent, verbal and nonverbal between Damon/Elena, Damon/Enzo and Damon/Stefan. Last scene with the brothers really teared me up a bit, it was the first time Damon mentioned he loved Stefan.

Yup, yup, yup. I actually really, really went to town discussing more of the Damon/Elena aspects -- in how she used Stefan actually below in a comment that I'm adding to my main post as some people seem to think that Elena doesn't care about Damon anymore. I don't get that view personally.

We all knew it, Damon has demonstrated it over and over again, but when he said it, it had a different quality. You know what I mean? Stefan said that he loved his brother in 4x15 (well, not in so many words, but all the viewers and Damon understood what he wanted to say), now Damon kinda said it back.

Yes, I do. I'm actually mind-boggled to find out that much of online fandom think that Stefan chose not to tell Damon because he thinks Damon will go on a killing spree and not that he did it because of his love and concern for Damon. As I said below (in comment--and something I'm adding to my main post), there is nothing in the dialogue/interaction that indicates that Stefan's actions were done for any reason other than for the love of his brother.

And yeah, the fact that Stefan wants to keep it a secret that Enzo is dead will blow up in his face. And not only in his.

Yuppers, but clearly there is a CLEAR parallel between Bonnie/Jeremy keeping secrets and Stefan/Elena keeping the secret from Damon and both were done for reasons of love. So OBVIOUSLY it's the same reason.

So the dooppelganger Blood is not a cure, but it will undo the witches' curse and all the other magic and since the vampires originally were made by magic they revert to their last (albeit dead) human status? Is that it? The vampires are all going to die when the travellers get through with their plan?

No, they'd have to drink the mixed doppelgangers' blood for that to happen. That's why Sloan reverted to her pre-vampire state because she drank the doppelgangers' blood. All of the vampires would have to drink a mixture of Stefan and Elena's blood in order to revert.
tj2013tj2013 on April 27th, 2014 07:01 pm (UTC)

No, they'd have to drink the mixed doppelgangers' blood for that to happen. That's why Sloan reverted to her pre-vampire state because she drank the doppelgangers' blood. All of the vampires would have to drink a mixture of Stefan and Elena's blood in order to revert.


Ah, now I get it. Thanks for explaining. So as long as the travellers a) don't get their hands on Stefan and Elena and b) don't feed this cocktail to the MF-Vampires, they are safe. Well, as safe as you can be in Mystic Falls, anyway.

I really like your elaborated post on Elena's and Stefan's behavior towards Damon, I agree they keep the secret out of love and concern for Damon (and yes to the parallel with Bonnie and Jer). Still, it will blow up in their faces somehow. Secrets like these always do.
Paul played it really well, the concern, the being torn because he wants to tell Damon the truth, the love... it was all there.

Whereas I found Michael Malarkeys moment of switching it off way less impressive than either Nina's or Paul's. It was ok, but for me the moment was more about Damon and his "don't you dare" and maybe that's why I wasn't touched as much by Enzo switching it off. It just struck me because I thought his delivery of "I don't want to hate you" a few seconds earlier much stronger. Oh well.
Arabian: Damon11arabian on April 30th, 2014 08:37 am (UTC)
So as long as the travellers a) don't get their hands on Stefan and Elena and b) don't feed this cocktail to the MF-Vampires, they are safe. Well, as safe as you can be in Mystic Falls, anyway.

Yeah, that's what I figure anyway. I mean, that's what I got from it.

I really like your elaborated post on Elena's and Stefan's behavior towards Damon, I agree they keep the secret out of love and concern for Damon (and yes to the parallel with Bonnie and Jer).

Still, it will blow up in their faces somehow. Secrets like these always do.

Well, actually, they don't always. Remember when Damon and Stefan kept the secret of Stefan hiding Klaus' family in coffins from Elena in season 03 when Stefan asked Stefan to. We thought that Elena would be upset with Damon about it, but there was literally ZERO fall-out from that. None at all. Of course, I do expect fall-out from this one, LOL! But I'm hoping that Damon will see that them keeping the secret was the same as Damon and Stefan keeping that secret from Elena. Because Elena, like Damon, protects the ones she loves most from things she thinks will hurt them. One of the key things we've seen this season is that once Damon and Elena got into a romantic relationship, they started things from each other to "protect" each other... this is just a continuation of that. And hopefully will be a crack in showing that they canNOT continue to do that because it's not healthy.

Whereas I found Michael Malarkeys moment of switching it off way less impressive than either Nina's or Paul's. It was ok, but for me the moment was more about Damon and his "don't you dare" and maybe that's why I wasn't touched as much by Enzo switching it off. It just struck me because I thought his delivery of "I don't want to hate you" a few seconds earlier much stronger. Oh well.

I agree.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on April 25th, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
Grrrr- I just lost my comment that I managed to put elaborately together!!! Somehow I messed up with the posting and cannot recover it...
anyway let's try again though this will be shorter.
Thank you for your review - as always.

Damon my Damon - always assuming guilt and that he is the eternally bad guy. All is crap in his life. If he doesn't get any huge pay off at the end of the series then his character will be one of the most tragic ones. And I do think and hope that all this bad stuff is there because he will indeed get his pay off.

He now lost his friend, also Elena and, is not liked by anyone plus he realized he killed his only friend's love.

Loved the brother scene at the end. Damon is such a feelings guy. And if no one can see it...

The not telling Damon about Enzo will back fire. I think Stefan telling him would be as bad. Catch 22 situation. I think he will be hurt though when he finds out that Elena knew too.

Also wonder what can Enzo do from the other side

Not sure if I understood well when Marcos said that all vampires will die because it sounded like he said vampires in their town will die. Or would it be all of the vampires once the witches' spell is broken? That is a but unclear to me.

Maybe it is me but Elena doesn't seem to be that heartbroken about losing Damon? I would expect her to be more sad and missing him. But that might be my perception. Also somehow think that Stefan can get away better with killing others than Damon? She doesn't seem to judge him as much? Again maybe my perception. Maybe it is me rooting always for Damon.

Not much of an idea what the rest of the season holds for us. Except the travellers' story line - maybe some crazy cliff hanger for the season finale with the threat of vampires dying out and all witches' spells breaking.

Arabian: Damon09arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:48 am (UTC)
Grrrr- I just lost my comment that I managed to put elaborately together!!! Somehow I messed up with the posting and cannot recover it...

Oh, that sucks. Sorry.

Damon my Damon - always assuming guilt and that he is the eternally bad guy. And I do think and hope that all this bad stuff is there because he will indeed get his pay off.

I hope so, but if it doesn't happen this season, sigh, there's always next season, LOL!

He now lost his friend, also Elena and, is not liked by anyone plus he realized he killed his only friend's love.

Well, Liz likes him. And to be fair, he's the one who is pushing Elena away. And he has Stefan, he just doesn't seem to realize or appreciate that. And he'd have Jeremy (and probably Matt too), if he wasn't a dick to them all the time, constantly insulting them and threatening to maim and kill them all the time. I love Damon dearly, but let's call a spade a spade. Boy has issues.

Loved the brother scene at the end. Damon is such a feelings guy. And if no one can see it...

Well, to be fair, up until this scene with Stefan, it's been Elena, Alaric, on a few occasions, Rose, Liz, and Enzo are the only ones he ever actually shows his feelings to. To everyone else he acts like a dick and threatens to main and kill them. Again, I love the guy, but we, the audience, see a different Damon than most of the characters. Damon insults them, he puts them down, he threatens to kill them, to hurt them, and treats them like they are morons. Elena is the only one he shows his heart to on a regular basis. That's it. Even Stefan he's mostly an ass too. He's had a few nice moments with each of them, but for the most part, he's not particularly nice to any of them.

The not telling Damon about Enzo will back fire. I think Stefan telling him would be as bad. Catch 22 situation. I think he will be hurt though when he finds out that Elena knew too.

Damon may be upset, or he may see that they are doing EXACTLY what he did when Damon and Stefan kept the secret of Stefan hiding Klaus' family in coffins from Elena in season 03 when Stefan asked. Because he was trying to protect Elena, because Elena had so much crap going on. Same thing here. Elena, like Damon, protects the ones she loves most from things she thinks will hurt them. One of the key things we've seen this season is that once Damon and Elena got into a romantic relationship, they started things from each other to "protect" each other... this is just a continuation of that. And hopefully will be a crack in showing that they canNOT continue to do that because it's not healthy.

Not sure if I understood well when Marcos said that all vampires will die because it sounded like he said vampires in their town will die.

To me, it's that they'd have to drink the mixed doppelgangers' blood for that to happen. That's why Sloan reverted to her pre-vampire state because she drank the doppelgangers' blood. All of the vampires would have to drink a mixture of Stefan and Elena's blood in order to revert.

Maybe it is me but Elena doesn't seem to be that heartbroken about losing Damon?

Not at all.

I would expect her to be more sad and missing him.

She's in the anger stage right now. She's not in the sad phase, she's in the pissed off stage. (I'm adding this part to your next post because I ran out of room here, LOL!)

Also somehow think that Stefan can get away better with killing others than Damon? She doesn't seem to judge him as much?

Elena has this weird perception thing where Stefan represent the wholesome morality of her life pre-vampire craziness ) and Damon represents the dark gray crazy bent morality of her life post-vampire craziness and so she does view things differently. It's not fair, but her compartmentalizing is partly how she's managed to survive through all of this without going crazy. Remember she is only 18.

Not much of an idea what the rest of the season holds for us. Except the travellers' story line - maybe some crazy cliff hanger for the season finale with the threat of vampires dying out and all witches' spells breaking.

Unless they force all the vampires to drink Stefan and Elena's blood I don't see how the vampires die out.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on April 26th, 2014 04:47 pm (UTC)
I did re watch and it indeed seems that only vampires that would be or enter the town would die? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

And I have a very bad feeling about Damon. Cannot shake it. I still think there will be some kind of sacrifice from his side or now this spell breaking and vampires dying and that Damon will die.

The whole episode gave me bad feeling about him upon re watch. It really did feel that he is the outcast again and no one would miss him if he left. Even Elena doesn't seem to miss him. I know that Damon dying might be a good thing and surely he would have to come back somehow. My mind is going mad with possibilities.
Arabian: Damon & Elena14arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:49 am (UTC)
I did re watch and it indeed seems that only vampires that would be or enter the town would die? Maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Yeah, Sloan only died AFTER she drank Stefan and Elena's blood. That's what made her revert to her former human state.

And I have a very bad feeling about Damon. Cannot shake it. I still think there will be some kind of sacrifice from his side or now this spell breaking and vampires dying and that Damon will die.

Yeah, don't see that.

The whole episode gave me bad feeling about him upon re watch. It really did feel that he is the outcast again and no one would miss him if he left.

Oh, we've had that going on since season 01. If it seems stronger, it can only mean that we're finally going to get some resolution this season. Would be nice.

Even Elena doesn't seem to miss him.

OK, this is what I had originally written in response to your similar comment in your last post, but I ran out of room. Yes, Elena very clearly is missing Damon and is affected by him cutting her out of his life. I really, really, REALLY have to disagree that Elena is not caring about not having Damon in her life. You just have to read between the lines. There's a reason we had Elena mention Damon cutting her out of his life twice in a few minutes. There was no reason to have Elena tell Stefan that. Clearly, Stefan already knew this information, but yet, she was repeating it to him. Then, she repeats that dialogue to Bonnie. This wasn't done for plot reasons especially when we'd just seen it in the previlousies... The only reason we heard it not once, but twice was to show Elena's state of mind. Damon is on her mind constantly. Damon cutting her out of his life is crowding her mind. That is all she can think about. Every person she sees, the first thing she has to tell them is that Damon has cut her out of her life. This was the writers letting us know that all Elena can think about, all she can concentrate on is Damon. That Damon doesn't want to see her. And it's bothering her. A LOT. And that she is upset about it.

I know that Damon dying might be a good thing and surely he would have to come back somehow. My mind is going mad with possibilities.

Not seeing that at all.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on April 27th, 2014 10:10 am (UTC)
Thank you for the replies to both my posts. I must have let go of the part that this will only affect vampires that will drink the doppelgänger blood. Now it makes more sense. as for the rest of your feedback - that is why I like to come here. Get objective analysis where you don't necessarily use emotions and make more sense. Hope I'm making sense now haha. It does make me feel better after your replies and I do look at it from different aspects as well. As for my comment on Damon dying - let's just see what happens. It just doesn't want to leave my head.
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder08arabian on April 27th, 2014 11:24 am (UTC)
Look, Damon is NOT going to die-die. Ian Somerhalder is going to be in every episode of this show at least through the sixth season. He is BY FAR this show's biggest draw. You don't have to worry about losing Damon. On that count, we're safe. ;)

As for the rest, I'm glad I could help with the rest. :)
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on April 27th, 2014 12:05 pm (UTC)
Of course, I mean if he died it would be probably temporary and somehow he would have to be brought back. I don't doubt that Damon would no longer be. You know when we did discuss in some of our previous comments for another episode that Damon might sacrifice himself for Elena or Jeremy most likely? that is the kind of him dying I'm thinking about. I cannot recall now when it was brought up. I would have to look.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on April 27th, 2014 12:19 pm (UTC)
Yes, that could possibly happen, but I would be fine with something like that happening because, again, Damon ain't gonna leave the show because Ian Somerhalder is the show's biggest draw bar none. So if that were to happen it would only mean that it was definitively setting it up for the others to finally recognize the awesome of Damon. :)
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on April 27th, 2014 12:41 pm (UTC)
Exactly!
k_stjames: pic#117006481k_stjames on April 27th, 2014 03:09 am (UTC)
I also was blah on the whole episode. You just know SE keeping secrets from Damon is going to backfire on them but I viewed it more as them not trusting him than protecting Damon. They are the two most important people in Damon's life and they know this is bad news that will affect him and both of them could have chosen to support Damon instead of signalling that they (once again) know what's best and don't trust his reaction because he over-reacts. I really thought it would have been a chance to acknowledge just how much Damon has been done to Damon losing both his good friends in less than one year and that the love of his life and his brother could have been there for him and instead this secret is going to just affirm for Damon that SE are getting closer because it will bind them and isolate him again.

I did like the little signs that Elena was bothered by Damon's avoidance of her but I was totally and completely opposed to the show's writers/directors deciding to have Elena study / try to be distracted with Stefan of all people. It made Elena seem more tone-deaf than usual that in the absence of one Salvatore brother she must immediately get the other in her life. Girl has other friends and a brother she's forgotten about - they should have had her seek them out and not Stefan. I was extremely bothered by giggly Elena and Stefan even as it was totally friendzoned I just thought it was bad. While I like that SE are friend even though I doubt they really know or understand anything about each other - I hate that given everything that's happened she didn't think that suddenly buddying up with Stefan would hurt Damon. All of Elena vaulted compassion and sensitivity still doesn't apply to Damon. Thanks for posting your insights.
Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:50 am (UTC)
PART I

I also was blah on the whole episode.

Well, I wouldn't say I was blah, just it wasn't as great as the rest of the season has been so far. It just was a bit lackluster. I think in binge-watching it will play out fine, but after the dynamo of last week, and no doubt the final stretch coming, it just didn't pop.

You just know SE keeping secrets from Damon is going to backfire on them but I viewed it more as them not trusting him than protecting Damon.

I just did not see it that way at all for a couple of reasons. First of all, they flat-out said it VERY CLEARLY. Stefan said Damon has had a really bad year, finding this out could destroy him. And Stefan's face in that final scene with Damon, he was aching for Damon. This had nothing to do with not trusting Damon, this was all about his love for his brother. There was no upset, not distrust, no upset about Damon in dialogue, any mannerism, any facial expression, any body language, ANYTHING from Stefan, from Elena, to, from, in any way, shape or form. It was all about protecting Damon and keeping him from being destroyed emotionally. We saw/heard nothing that indicated anything other than that. AT ALL. Damon was the one who ranted that it was his fault, Stefan did not not. Elena did not. It was Damon who assumed the worst, no one else did.

They are the two most important people in Damon's life and they know this is bad news that will affect him and both of them could have chosen to support Damon

They were supporting him; they were looking out for him. Because what happened the last time Damon got bad news? Like a month or so ago? He went off the deep end, killed a good friend of the love of his life, went on a killing spree, threatened the life of someone that he does care about (Jeremy) and basically tried to destroy the relationships he has with everyone else he cares about. This is what Damon showed them he does when he's upset. They ARE looking out for him because they love him.

instead of signalling that they (once again) know what's best and don't trust his reaction because he over-reacts.

See paragraph above. They are showing that they know exactly how he acts, not over-reacts, but EXACTLY how he acts when bad shit happens to him. He goes above and beyond. They are trying to protect him from going off the deep end again. Because now Stefan DOES KNOW that Damon feels guilt for when he does those things. He no longer is under the delusion that Damon doesn't feel any guilt when he does those things, he just hides them better than Stefan. And Stefan doesn't want his brother to have more to feel guilty about. And Elena knows that Damon doesn't want to have more to feel bad about. They ARE protecting him because they love him.

Another key sign that the two keeping the secret was for the love of Damon is the fact that Bonnie is keeping a major secret from Jeremy. The two secrets being kept are clearly meant to be paralleling each other as they were done in this episode right on top of each other, and Bonnie not telling Jeremy was obviously done for love, to keep him from being hurt just as Stefan and Elena not telling Damon was done for the same reason.

(cont)
Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on April 27th, 2014 04:51 am (UTC)
PART II

I really thought it would have been a chance to acknowledge just how much Damon has been done to Damon losing both his good friends in less than one year and that the love of his life and his brother could have been there for him and instead this secret is going to just affirm for Damon that SE are getting closer because it will bind them and isolate him again.

Damon may see it that way, or he may see that they are doing EXACTLY what he did when Damon and Stefan kept the secret of Stefan hiding Klaus' family in coffins from Elena in season 03 when Stefan asked Stefan to. Because he was trying to protect Elena, because Elena had so much crap going through that she didn't need ONE MORE THING on top of it. Same thing here. Elena, like Damon, protects the ones she loves most from things she thinks will hurt them. One of the key things we've seen this season is that once Damon and Elena got into a romantic relationship, they started things from each other to "protect" each other... this is just a continuation of that. And hopefully will be a crack in showing that they canNOT continue to do that because it's not healthy. But it's NOT in any way showing that neither Stefan nor Elena doesn't love Damon.

I did like the little signs that Elena was bothered by Damon's avoidance of her but I was totally and completely opposed to the show's writers/directors deciding to have Elena study / try to be distracted with Stefan of all people. It made Elena seem more tone-deaf than usual that in the absence of one Salvatore brother she must immediately get the other in her life.

But wasn't that just another FLASHING NEON sign (passive aggressive, but Elena is not perfect, which is partly why I love her) that Elena is PISSED OFF at Damon. Of course she went to Stefan to be buddies with. That would piss Damon off. Fine, Damon doesn't want to see her, then she'll hang out with Stefan. See if he likes that. What better way to get a reaction out of him? And that's what she wants, right? To get a reaction out of him. To get him reacting to her and NOT not wanting to be in her life. He may be pissed, he may be yelling at her, but at least he's seeing her. And, hey, Damon's more likely to run into her if she's hanging out with Stefan than if she's hanging out with Bonnie, Caroline, Matt or Jeremy, right? Whether she realizes it or not, hanging out with Stefan is the BEST way to get to Damon, and that's exactly what she wants... to get to Damon.

I hate that given everything that's happened she didn't think that suddenly buddying up with Stefan would hurt Damon.

She wasn't consciously thinking of hurting Damon, but if she did, there'd be a part of her that spitefully thought, 'fine, he's hurt, well, he hurt me! So there!' She's angry that he cut her out of his life, by hanging out with Stefan, she's making it impossible for him to do so.

All of Elena vaulted compassion and sensitivity still doesn't apply to Damon.

Because you hurt the one you love the most. Just like Elena can bring out the best and worst in Damon, well, Damon can bring out the best and wrost in Elena. That's love for ya. ;)
MaelJ0714: lipsmaelj0714 on April 30th, 2014 10:02 pm (UTC)
Kind of a 'meh' episode for me, too, but I really enjoyed your write-up! Loved all the things you pointed out, particularly the throw-backs regarding Damon and Elena in previous episodes. Reading your review actually had me liking the episode more.

Just a couple of things that I really liked... I haven't read the comments from others so I may be repeating.

- The ending scene with Damon and Stefan when Damon opened up to him about how much he loved Stefan and needed him during that time at Augustine's. Seeing him share his emotions with someone besides Elena, and his brother at that, was so good.

- Stefan is looking out for Damon's well being, too, although lying to him about Enzo's death is probably not a good idea. He's facial expressions during Damon's speech, his admission that he was a 'crappy' brother to Damon, the regret for not being there......just... So sweet!!

-- Elena's casual, throw-away comment about being in denial over Damon. Did she actually admit she may be in denial about something?? I LOVED THIS. I thought she was very cute in that scene.

I am a bit confused about Enzo's plan, too, and why Markos had to kill Sloan after she reverted back to human?? Maybe you already have the answers. Off to read the comments!
Arabian: Damon07arabian on April 30th, 2014 11:01 pm (UTC)
Reading your review actually had me liking the episode more.

And that's partly why I love this show so much. The more you think about it, the more you rewatch it, the better, richer, deeper the episodes generally become. :)

- The ending scene with Damon and Stefan when Damon opened up to him about how much he loved Stefan and needed him during that time at Augustine's. Seeing him share his emotions with someone besides Elena, and his brother at that, was so good.

Yup, I absolutely loved it. It seemed such a small thing, but can you imagine Damon a few years ago, even last year, admitting something like that?! Ah, it's awesome.

- Elena's casual, throw-away comment about being in denial over Damon. Did she actually admit she may be in denial about something?? I LOVED THIS. I thought she was very cute in that scene.

See, there is growth. Definite growth!

why Markos had to kill Sloan after she reverted back to human?

Markos didn't kill her, she just died because the point was that in order to become a vampire you have to die, right? When you drink the combined doppelganger blood, it reverts you to your pre-vampire state, right? So you become human again, right? Right. Great, so your human, yay! The problem is that as a human, you were dead. That's why Sloan died. That's why if any of our vampires drink Stefan and Elena's combined blood, sure, they'll revert to their human form... but they'll also die because in order to become a vampire, you have to die as a human first.
MaelJ0714: lipsmaelj0714 on May 2nd, 2014 03:07 pm (UTC)
Markos didn't kill her, she just died because the point was that in order to become a vampire you have to die, right? When you drink the combined doppelganger blood, it reverts you to your pre-vampire state, right? So you become human again, right? Right. Great, so your human, yay! The problem is that as a human, you were dead. That's why Sloan died. That's why if any of our vampires drink Stefan and Elena's combined blood, sure, they'll revert to their human form... but they'll also die because in order to become a vampire, you have to die as a human first.

Ahhh. Thank you. I obviously missed this!!
Arabian: Damon02arabian on May 11th, 2014 03:31 am (UTC)
Yeah, I had to rewind it and listen to it a few times to get it, LOL!
Florencia: Damon (Piano)florencia7 on May 14th, 2014 12:21 pm (UTC)
I loved the blowing curtains! A lovely callback to 2x08 – and also to 4x06, I think. OK, and I promise it's the last time I'm alluding to Damon's ~death (unless it will really happen in the finale haha), but the way they did the blowing curtains seemed to correspond to a promo pic for this season in which Damon's face is obscured by blowing curtains ;)

”But now, they are keeping a secret to protect Damon's heart, to keep him from suffering.” - That's exactly how I read this too (and like you, I can't see how this could be interpreted differently) and I LOVED it. There was something so beautiful and refreshing about this.

”That is all she can think about. Every person she sees, the first thing she has to tell them is that Damon has cut her out of her life.” - lol Yes, that was wonderful and it's even put into words in the official summary for this ep which says that Elena is “obsessing” over the status of her relationship with Damon.

”But that conversation between Damon and Stefan, wow, that was a pretty big step for those two.” - It was and I loved this entire conversation, because it was carried on a whole new level of mutual openness and complete honesty. And I'm really appreciating all those bits & pieces of self-awareness that we're getting from Stefan lately, him saying that he was a crappy brother, admitting to Katherine!Elena that he used to wait for Damon to fail, telling Caroline that he didn't want her to think less of him, telling Elena in 5x21 that he is “so much worse” when he doesn't control himself, etc.

”Sure, he threatened to bust their kneecaps if they left, but like he really was gonna do that. Of course not. They just listened to him. Hahahah! ” - LOL I loved that too! ^^

”To be fair to Stefan, he didn't actually kill Enzo, it was more suicide.” - It was, and I guess Enzo must be suffering from mood swings, otherwise he wouldn't now be so violently wishing to come back.

So... before the finale breaks my heart as I'm sure it will, please tell me that you're planning on writing a post-S5 story!? ♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena14arabian on May 25th, 2014 04:10 am (UTC)
I loved the blowing curtains! A lovely callback to 2x08 – and also to 4x06, I think.

Yup, there were blowing curtains at the beginning of the scene in 4.06 when Elena woke up after Damon saved her.

OK, and I promise it's the last time I'm alluding to Damon's ~death (unless it will really happen in the finale haha), but the way they did the blowing curtains seemed to correspond to a promo pic for this season in which Damon's face is obscured by blowing curtains ;)

Yes, but......... to be fair (even though Damon did die), everyone kinda had those curtains smooshed over their faces in those stupid promo pics. Man, except for that cool, bloody picnic with Klaus for season 03, all of the promotion for TVD has SUCKED so badly.

”But now, they are keeping a secret to protect Damon's heart, to keep him from suffering.” - That's exactly how I read this too (and like you, I can't see how this could be interpreted differently) and I LOVED it. There was something so beautiful and refreshing about this.

And, ahaha! That's clearly exactly how Damon took it. Hah! We were right.

”That is all she can think about. Every person she sees, the first thing she has to tell them is that Damon has cut her out of her life.” - lol Yes, that was wonderful and it's even put into words in the official summary for this ep which says that Elena is “obsessing” over the status of her relationship with Damon.

Aww, you know I don't read the episode descriptions anymore, so I didn't know that. So, whee! Go me!

I'm really appreciating all those bits & pieces of self-awareness that we're getting from Stefan lately, him saying that he was a crappy brother, admitting to Katherine!Elena that he used to wait for Damon to fail, telling Caroline that he didn't want her to think less of him, telling Elena in 5x21 that he is “so much worse” when he doesn't control himself, etc.

I talk so much about how Elena has grown away from Stefan, become stronger, more of an adult, become a better person, but the same is true of Stefan too. Part of why I am so anti-Stefan/Elena is because I love both characters so much and they are so very bad for each other, holding each other back, and bringing out the worst in each other. Apart, they've both become stronger, better, more grown-up people.

So... before the finale breaks my heart as I'm sure it will

Man, it so did, huh?

please tell me that you're planning on writing a post-S5 story!? ♥

Erm, probably not?
Florencia: Damon (Home)florencia7 on May 25th, 2014 10:17 pm (UTC)
"Man, it so did, huh?" - Oh yes, the finale definitely managed to break my heart pretty well! I can't even re-watch it lol

"Erm, probably not?" - I'm clinging to the "probably" part of this statement! ;)

Random question: do you think they will make Damon come back as a human?? Just like with Damon's ~death, they kind of kept teasing it throughout S4, now that I think about it...
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on May 26th, 2014 05:29 am (UTC)
Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: It's coming in my long-time gestating post that I AM working on for the finale.
Alisha: Janellekalishaka on November 16th, 2014 10:12 pm (UTC)
This episode was just kind of there for me. It was necessary of course to move Enzo's story forward, and at this late in the season, the best way to do that would be to heavily feature him in an episode, especially since Damon and Elena are at odds and it is a good stage in the story to pause all the players on the field. But I think they missed a chance to get us to care about Enzo and Maggie earlier on, or to give it more depth, or possibly the actor just didn't bring enough to it, but I could care less about Maggie. And I don't understand her motivation in going after Damon and calling him a monster. I don't know if I missed something, or what, but it just didn't have any emotional impact. Granted I think it might just be the character of Maggie. I didn't like her. I haven't really liked Enzo's obsession with her. Meh. Oh well.

On things that were more than just 'meh' for me this episode, I begin with Liz Forbes. I love her. I love her soooooo much. She appears and helps out Damon and it doesn't even matter what happens in the rest of the episode I am pleased.

The absolute mess of Jeremy, Matt, and Tyler living together. Hah. Also how long it takes them to be like "Wait....maybe something happened to Tyler" and the fact that Jeremy is like the one not even to think of it. Jeremy needs better hunter instincts. Someone should teach him.

I actually kind of enjoy that despite how powerful Liv is they show that the world of mystic falls, something Bonnie doesn't even flinch at, is too much for her. And I enjoy how straight she was with Bonnie. This is how it is...prepare for it. It was just an interesting moment of their lives mirroring for me. And it lent to the theme of this episode which seemed to be the stages of grief, for a relationship, for a past, for family, for life.

And Stefan is COMPLETELY making the wrong call here, but I love that it is happening. I love that he is conspiring with Elena and with Bonnie. It reminds me of all the times Damon and sometimes Stefan worked to protect Elena from certain harsh truths, to keep her from feeling guilt. To keep her from her heart breaking again because she'd had a rough year. I like that the triangle aspect has fully moved from Elena in the center to Damon in the center. Basically my massive love affair with Stefan continues...which is good because it was ROUGH going for a while.