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28 March 2014 @ 01:12 am
5.17 - 'Rescue Me' (The Vampire Diaries)  
A new Vampire Diaries aired tonight, last one for a few weeks (last hiatus of the season--thank goodness!). Yay! Thoughts behind the cut. (Not nearly as wordy as usual.)

Another great episode. Really, really good one, but I just wasn't up to the deep, thinky-thoughts tonight. Sorry. But, hey, originally this was just going to be about four or five one-liners and no gifs, so mucho improvement!!! :D

- Damon and Elena are so freaking HAWT!

 
 
 

- Damon and Elena actually are showing that they have a healthy relationship. They are talking things out, clearing the air. Not brushing things under the rug. The biggest problem right now is that Elena is choosing to see their issues in a vacuum and Damon is letting her. Damon is not the only one that does bad things for Elena and Elena doesn't only make bad choices for Damon. Chris, the hybrid, was killed for Elena. Elena and Jeremy killed Kol to break his compulsion over Damon to kill Jeremy, and killing Kol killed hundreds if not thousands of vampires, no doubt many "good" vampires. And Stefan killed Andie to make a point to Damon to protect Elena and Damon. And the list goes on and on and on. But right now Elena is choosing to view their relationship and their actions towards each other in a vacuum.

- Which brings me to... Elena has only had teenage romances until now. This is her first adult relationship and she's navigating it in inexperienced ways. Damon was right in that she should have stuck around and continued discussing things with Damon. That was the healthy thing to do. That is how they make progress, that is the right thing to do. But she was running away, burying her head in the sand--which is the Elena Gilbert way of dealing with things (especially in relationships). However, showing how much Damon is growing, changing, he respected her choice. Damon let her go, he let her walk away... on her own.

 

- But that's OK because they have time. They are growing, each in their own way and as long as they keep growing, learning together and keep those lines of communication together, they will get back together because obviously the love is still there as strong as ever. Those who aren't rooting for the two can shout until they're blue in the face that it's just sex, but this episode proved yet again that it's not, they have so much more going on. There is so much love there that they simply can't think straight and some distance (relationship-wise) could probably help right now, but they do need to keep talking.

- Stefan and Caroline seriously gave me all the feels in the universe. SO HARD. SO VERY, VERY HARD! They kept looking at each other. And she had her head on his shoulder. And when they were sleeping, they were SPOONING!!!!! And he had his arm wrapped around her waist!!!!! And they were holding hands!!! OH! MY!! GOD!!! ALL! THE! FEELS! IN! THE! UNIVERSE!

 
 

- At first I thought that something was gonna happen with Enzo and Caroline and I was like no, no, no. But I don't think so now, so good. He seemed more an instrument to (a) kill Tom Avery and (b) to keep dropping those S/C hints. He kept giving her those looks with regards to Stefan. Me likey!

- I did not like the Damon, Matt and Tyler scene though. It made it seem like Damon was this kinda loser, pathetic drunk dude who needed to pay them to listen to him be all pathetic and loser-y and Damon Salvatore should never come across that way. Didn't like that. BUT... Tyler Lockwood said Damon was their friend (sometimes). I am finding Tyler away from Caroline less un-pointless. This is good. And I am possibly, potentially open to be intrigued by Tyler and Liv. So maybe he doesn't have to die after all!

- Jeremy is so not even remotely afraid in the slightest at all that Damon will kill him. That's why he said nothing last week about Damon threatening to kill him because he knew Damon wouldn't. The difference in their relationship now is because the fact that Damon even used that threat and let Enzo hurt him pushed their relationship a few steps back. That was the issue. But Jeremy knows that Damon will not kill him. I loved his "are you freaking kidding me?" And how he just got all up in Damon's face with no fear. And Jeremy may not have asked Damon to trust him, but by Damon walking away even if it was to Elena asking him to trust her, the fact that Damon did without much argument showed that he does trust Jeremy. I liked that.

- It was a good idea on one hand for Jeremy to move out because of the dysfunction, but on the other, Jeremy with Matt and Tyler? That's a whole new brand of dysfunction. Oy vey. Oh, oh, I did like the look Damon and Jeremy shared even if they didn't speak in that goodbye.

     

- When Elena said she wasn't sure she could trust Jeremy considering his bad school behavior, I echoed Jeremy's reaction. Dude, Elena, SERIOUSLY!?!?!? He was so right to school her there. Speaking of, I like that Elena is basically failing miserably (OK, Damon is too) as a parental figure because they both should be. That's realistic and I always love how the show manages to try and interject some real-world reality when they can into the crazy world of the supernatural that has inhabited their lives.

- On the other hand, as a die-hard Elena Gilbert-stan, I got a huge kick out of Liv telling Jeremy that "Elena is the center of the universe" actually. She is *that* important. LOLOLOLOL! Take that haters!

- I love how we had the mystery of the Liv/Luke stuff introduced last week and whee! we got our answers to a fair degree this week. I love this show.

- So, yeah, Paul's 'I iz dead' acting? WORST I have ever seen. Literally pulled me out of the moment. So very bad.

- Markos dude is resurrected from the Other Side and Bonnie's unconscious anchor-body from a mass suicide of Travellers. OK, then.

- Yeah, Ian Somerhalder was totally naked in that opening bedroom scene like he normally is in such scenes, wasn't he? I'm betting he was. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Hah.

- Re: Preview? Doesn't bother me at all for those who saw it. It's projected in her head, not even that it ain't real, it's not even coming from her, so ... :shrug:

- Did I mention that Elena's damn-near drooling fantasy of classroom sex was uber-hot? Hoo-boy! If you forgot, scroll back above to take another gander at the gifs. Speaking of hot, the hallway recital of what Damon wanted to do to Elena (including how it would make everyone in mini-vans jealous) was also pretty hot). Elena thought so too. (Cue to the sex dream later, hehehehe.)

 
 

So the break-up stuck, but I'm OK with that because they need this break-up distance since they need to get the communication working and back on track, and it seems that is getting better. Right now, their sexual attraction is getting in the way of dealing with the communication though and that can be a problem which they recognize, but... ding, ding, ding! They are talking about that. Elena said it, Damon respected it. This is good, and again, we have six episodes and at least one more season to go so smooth sailing right now would not be a good thing for an intensely dramatic series!

Really good episode. Except for my slight niggle with the Matt/Tyler/Damon scene, I was very happy with this one overall. I liked it a lot lot. Stupid hiatus. Grrr.

Once more for the road. HAWT!!!

 
 
 
 
Melissa: VM - 121 Logan V Kissmisa_05 on March 28th, 2014 05:44 am (UTC)
Yes to all of points above. I especially like how the show is building Stefan/Caroline. Very slow and very lovely. Paul has so much more chemistry with Candice instead of Nina. BTW, are we going to see a post about your reaction to the Veronica Mars movie?
Arabian: LoVeEWarabian on March 28th, 2014 10:50 am (UTC)
Yeah, the slow and steady build of Stefan and Caroline from season 02 to now has just been great and I love, love, love the Paul/Candice chemistry.

I do actually have most of a VM post written. I've watched the movie twice (streaming and in the theater) and I just finished reading the book. I'll try and write it up this weekend.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on March 28th, 2014 08:36 am (UTC)
Funny, I seem terribly forgetful these days... Iike a goldfish* I just go blank again and again. What classroom sex fantasy was that?

*Yes, I know this isn't actually true.
Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on March 28th, 2014 10:51 am (UTC)
Seriously, I am so lame. I was like... wait, how can she not remember it? How could she have missed that?! Then I realized that I had written "if you forget, scroll back up and look at the gifs again..." LOL! Good one.
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Florencia: DE (Kiss) (5x16) (Us)florencia7 on March 28th, 2014 12:11 pm (UTC)
I was afraid I'd come here all grumpy, but I just did a reaction post on my own, let it out, feel better, so I can be less grumpy here LOL

Besides, your gifs ought to put everyone in a better mood right away! ;D

“Damon and Elena actually are showing that they have a healthy relationship.” - That was one of the best things about this episode, really. They tried to talk, they talked, they admitted they can't talk, they attempted to diagnose their issues more, dig deeper, etc. If only they could draw the correct conclusions we could all be happy ;) But of course we have several episodes to go this season alone, so I guess the timing & pacing is right, even if all of that is rather painful to watch.

“Damon is not the only one that does bad things for Elena and Elena doesn't only make bad choices for Damon. Chris, the hybrid, was killed for Elena. Elena and Jeremy killed Kol to break his compulsion over Damon to kill Jeremy, and killing Kol killed hundreds if not thousands of vampires, no doubt many "good" vampires. And Stefan killed Andie to make a point to Damon to protect Elena and Damon. And the list goes on and on and on.” - THIS so much. They don't just do “bad” things for each other. They do “bad” things for people they love. Because that's how they love, that's who they are. It was rather nicely juxtaposed with SC saying that they weren't going to do “bad” things even for each other, because that's who they are. (And I guess we should be nice to Caroline and not bring up the whole killing 12 witches to save Bonnie thing, right? ;)

I “love” that we have “I need you to let me go” scene out of the way lol When I heard this line in the PaleyFest promo I was afraid that it was going to happen later or even *gasp* in the finale, but thankfully it happened already. Of course all of this maked sense, the pacing is great, I LOVE Damon's growth conveyed in that scene, the 2x08 callback, the kiss being pretty much a wordless ILY, etc., ETC. It's all awesome.

However, I can't help feeling a little miffed that Elena said she'd fight – and now she doesn't. It's also heartbreaking that after everything that happened, ever (tbh), but particularly with Katherine and Aaron and Enzo lately, Damon is just left completely alone with no one to talk to. I'm with you on not liking Damon scene with Matt and Tyler at the Grill, but I guess it served to (deliberately?) emphasize how alone in all of this he is. There is literally NO ONE there to support him. And the fact that even Elena just wants to pack up and go just rubs me the wrong way *sigh* (Not to mention that didn't Liv just warn her the Travelers were after her? Does she really expect to even make it out of the driveway? Lol)

Sadly, I couldn't enjoy Stefan/Caroline scene much, because I kept getting distracted by them reveling in how wonderful they were and just being the cutest hypocrites ever. So what was Caroline's plan exactly? She was so CHEERY about sending Tom on his merry way as if she didn't realize she was pretty much signing Stefan's death sentence. I understand that she couldn't/wouldn't kill Tom. But why so cheery?? lol Plus, did she *really* think Enzo was just there to flirt with her and wouldn't make sure they completed their little mission? It was also ~hilarious how surprised she looked when he said “no, she just made me remember that I was good all along”. Guess it's not as fun bullying someone who doesn't have severe self-esteem issues, eh?

The hiatus is the most unfortunate thing, because around Easter I'm going out of town AND offline for about a month :[ So I guess I'll just have to spam you with my comments on your AMAZING ♥ ♥ ♥ reaction posts when I get back, which will probably be either a few days before or after the finale :)

That was wonderful to read (& look at! ^^) as always. Thank you for sharing your thoughts :]:]:]

♥!

Edited at 2014-03-28 12:13 pm (UTC)
tj2013: pic#120865641tj2013 on March 28th, 2014 12:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your write-up, it was a pleasure to read as usual. Even if it was quite short for you :-)

Damon and Elena actually are showing that they have a healthy relationship. They are talking things out, clearing the air. Not brushing things under the rug.

THIS! And I thought them not going "there" this time, not having sex on a classroom table gave me all those season3 feels where they were all "we want but we can't". So hot.
And I just LOOOVED their last scene, she getting all flustered when Damon strides through the room, thinking he would kiss her - again - and then he makes this shushing noise and cradles her face in his palms and kisses her forehead and LETS HER GO.
OMG. I had tears in my eyes. It reminded me of 2x08. Just a little bit.

Enzo? Can he please stay for a while? I like him and I like that he has his own agenda. Him teasing Caroline? That was hilarious. And Malarkey can alter between snarky/badass and "lots of deep feelings going on behind his eyes" very quickly. His line of "I was good all along" was really well delivered.

I was sure they wouldn't let Caroline kill Tom, but I am still kinda surprised they killed him off so quickly. Oh well. He had a carb-loaded last supper.

- Yeah, Ian Somerhalder was totally naked in that opening bedroom scene like he normally is in such scenes, wasn't he? I'm betting he was. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Hah.

Oh dear. I just fell off the chair just thinking about that. Ahem.



Edited at 2014-03-28 12:30 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena38arabian on April 7th, 2014 04:24 am (UTC)
They tried to talk, they talked, they admitted they can't talk, they attempted to diagnose their issues

That is what I'm taking from these last couple of episodes. We saw in the episode how well they can comfort, be there for each other, make each other smile and just, talk for seemingly hours. And in this one we saw how they can communicate and talk about real issues.

If only they could draw the correct conclusions we could all be happy ;)

This.

But of course we have several episodes to go this season alone

And this.

They don't just do “bad” things for each other. They do “bad” things for people they love. Because that's how they love. It was rather nicely juxtaposed with SC saying that they weren't going to do “bad” things even for each other, because that's who they are. (And I guess we should be nice to Caroline and not bring up the whole killing 12 witches to save Bonnie thing, right? ;)

Well, to be fair, and I do think this is key, Caroline DIDN'T think that through. It was an instinctive thing there, it was reactive. She didn't have time to pro and con it. But hybrid-Chris and Andie are different stories and Stefan and Caroline are responsible in whole and part for those two.

I LOVE Damon's growth conveyed in that scene, the 2x08 callback, the kiss being pretty much a wordless ILY, etc., ETC. It's all awesome.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much.

However, I can't help feeling a little miffed that Elena said she'd fight – and now she doesn't.

As he should be. Because she is running away. She is choosing to not fight. She really is being all talk and no action, BUT she's young and still growing herself. He gets that.

Damon is just left completely alone with no one to talk to.

That really needs to be addressed one of these damn days, pretty, pretty please.

(Not to mention that didn't Liv just warn her the Travelers were after her? Does she really expect to even make it out of the driveway? Lol)

Jeremy (the Hunter), Matt and Tyler (the Hybrid) just made a deal with uber-witch Liv to protect Elena.

Sadly, I couldn't enjoy SC scene much, because I kept getting distracted by them reveling in how wonderful they were

I didn't see them doing that at all. They weren't reveling in how awesome they were but rather Stefan was reveling in how wonderful he sees CAROLINE and she was reveling in how wonderful she sees STEFAN. How different is that from what Damon does about Elena? Or what Elena does for Damon at times? After all, love is blind and clearly Caroline and Stefan see each other with rose-colored glasses.

she didn't realize she was pretty much signing Stefan's death sentence.

She figured they would figured something out because don't they ALWAYS figure something out? She knew that Stefan knew she couldn't do it so she figured that he was already trying to come up with something and together they would figure it out.

But why so cheery?

Because she puts a happy face on things to try and make them appear better. It's her way.

did she *really* think Enzo was just there to flirt with her and wouldn't make sure they completed their little mission?

Yes. He's only been about Damon since he showed up, and said he's doing this for Damon, to help Damon out, to make Damon happy, why would she not think that was the case besides, beggars can't be choosers. She needed his help.

It was also ~hilarious how surprised she looked when he said “no, she just made me remember that I was good all along”. Guess it's not as fun bullying someone

She was surprised because up to that point Enzo hadn't shown her or any of the others any goodness. He'd threatened to KILL Jeremy. Had tortured Jeremy. Had led Damon--who was not being bad Damon before Enzo showed up--down a bad, bad path. He'd offered up nothing but commentary that implied he was nothing but a bad guy, why would she think he was anything BUT a bad guy? And she was not bullying him. She was giving him snark back just like he gave her.

The hiatus is the most unfortunate thing, because around Easter I'm going out of town AND offline for about a month

Aww, that sucks. :( I'll look forward to your return.
dancing till the world ends: tvd: this is my choicelynnenne on March 28th, 2014 01:48 pm (UTC)
Their chemistry set my screen on fire. Flames on the side of my TV.
Arabian: Damon & Elena38arabian on March 31st, 2014 06:31 am (UTC)
SO HAWT!!!
bangel_4e: buffybangel_4e on March 28th, 2014 05:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, Delena breaks my heart..in a very good way. I've loved this episode so much.
I agree that Damon and Elena are communicating and talking and I'm so not worried about them (also in regards of the promo for next episode). They will be fine, some time off can only do some good to them...they need to realize they'd do anything for each other and that it is not bad...

The only thing is...Elena said she would have fought for Damon but then after the Aaron thing, she stopped. She said they were bad for each other, that was a problem and that they were over. Where's the fighting? Did she draw the line at Damon killing Aaron? I don't know.
And another thing is, when Damon tortured Liv for information about why she wanted to kill Elena, WHY did Elena say that was his problem? I mean, before Jer showed up, how would they could ever know what was going on if Damon hadn't done that? Going on murder sprees and getting info isn't the same thing.
Sometimes I just don't understand...as the Caroline thing..being all good and superior...but,as florencia said, she killed 12 witches. And she couldn't do this for Stefan? Oh, well.
You're right, it's not who they are...but they seem to forget everything bad they'e already done when it's convenient.

But yay, the Steroline feels!!!!!! That was a cute scene, with the spooning and the hands and ahhhhhhhhhh....soooo cute!!!
And speaking of feels, SEXY-DELENA-TIMES!! (even if it's mostly Elena's imagination lol) I mean, Damon whispering things to her and leaving her in an incoherent, mouth-open mess AHAH.. I adore teasing-Damon!

-Loved the look between Jer and Damon..beautiful.

-WTF, poor Bonnie

-I 100% agreed with Jer, saying he can't possibly focus on school and be good...come on, Elena..


Well, we're gonna have Stelena hallucinations next episode..oh well, blame the Travelers grrr...but it's gonna be ok, whatever's going to happen (and I think nothing will). I actually can't wait to see this episode, it looks fun (the Damon/Elena scenes) and I wanna see Caroline's reaction to all this. Plus, the flashback look nice (cause I would've love to see that with Damon and Elena in the future).

Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on April 7th, 2014 04:39 am (UTC)
Oh, Delena breaks my heart..in a very good way. I've loved this episode so much.
I agree that Damon and Elena are communicating and talking and I'm so not worried about them (also in regards of the promo for next episode). They will be fine, some time off can only do some good to them...they need to realize they'd do anything for each other and that it is not bad...


Exactly. Right now, like I said, Elena is looking at their relationship and their actions toward each other in a vaccuum, but the entire gang will (and has done) anything--including killing--for each other.

The only thing is...Elena said she would have fought for Damon but then after the Aaron thing, she stopped. She said they were bad for each other, that was a problem and that they were over. Where's the fighting? Did she draw the line at Damon killing Aaron? I don't know.

She didn't draw the line, she just is young and doesn't understand what it means to be in an adult relationship. She doesn't understand what truly fighting for a relationship means. Just as Damon is growing and learning, so is Elena, but it's going to take time for them to get on the same page. They are getting there though.

And another thing is, when Damon tortured Liv for information about why she wanted to kill Elena, WHY did Elena say that was his problem? I mean, before Jer showed up, how would they could ever know what was going on if Damon hadn't done that? Going on murder sprees and getting info isn't the same thing.

Because Elena is uncomfortable with how Damon so casually gets things done. It's like he told Klaus--he's a bad guy with a purpose. Elena and her gang do bad things all the time, but they basically let Damon do all the dirty work, they generally aren't there to actually see Damon do the dirty work, or they stand to the side and judge him, which is what Elena was doing here. And what was so great about that scene though is that Damon was calling her on it. He was telling her, fine, you have that choice, you can resent me for my methods, but you can be alive to do so. That's your choice. In other words, I will do these things, but it's what keeps you alive.

Sometimes I just don't understand...as the Caroline thing..being all good and superior...but,as florencia said, she killed 12 witches. And she couldn't do this for Stefan? Oh, well.

Again, we have to remember these are mostly still kids (except for Stefan) so it's easier to try and forget the bad they've done and justify it with the good reasons and whitewash why they've done stuff. Damon doesn't justify the stuff he does or whitewash it, he owns it. And he lets the others have their fantasy that they are the good guys because they are the kids and they need that fantasy, it's how they sleep at night, it's how they keep from flipping the switch.

Well, we're gonna have Stelena hallucinations next episode..oh well, blame the Travelers grrr.

I'm actually kinda, erm, happy (?) about it... I mean, that it's coming when it is. Look at it, we got this fantasy with Elena in THIS episode and it was clearly, 100% from ELENA. What she wanted, what she desired, from her head, from her heart, from her loins. And this is going to contrast with the fact that what is happening in the next episode is NOT what she wants but is something that is being implanted in her mind. I think that is significant.

I wanna see Caroline's reaction to all this

Me too.
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on March 28th, 2014 06:12 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the write up and looooovelllly gifs! Yep those two just steam together. So hot. I mean how can they just be like that. There ain't nobody that can beat them.

I just finished watching and am still recovering. No matter what I'm heart broken but hope and believe it will work out and will be ok. Thanks god for you guys that you are positive. I'm just a bit sad as few of you mentioned that Elena didn't fight as she wanted to before. She just seems to be more detached emotionally. Though Damon was also up for this break up so it is not completely only Elena's decision. But it still hurts. And the last scene of them - just so sad.
Damon put up his snarky attitude and his swagger the whole time to cover up the real feelings but at the end the real him came through. I cannot re watch yet. It is still painful. Also the look he gave Jeremy as he was saying goodbye.

Steroline - definitely think I'm starting to believe they may happen.

Still confused with the travellers storyline - if anyone could clear it out for me. I will a bit dumb that I'm not getting it. Poor Bonnie!!!???

When is the next episode airing?

Re preview - I don't watch those - hope it is not that bad? Stelena makes me insides turn the wrong way... Hope it won't be bad.
I hope I must not worry.
Arabian: Damon09arabian on April 7th, 2014 04:44 am (UTC)
Thank you for the write up and looooovelllly gifs! Yep those two just steam together. So hot. I mean how can they just be like that. There ain't nobody that can beat them.

You're welcome and agreed!

As for Elena not fighting, I said a few times above, well, Elena is still young, this is her first adult relationship and she is still learning, growing herself, but she *is* learning and she just needs to figure some stuff out. This is a LOT to process.

Steroline - definitely think I'm starting to believe they may happen.

Me too. WHEEE!

Still confused with the travellers storyline - if anyone could clear it out for me. I will a bit dumb that I'm not getting it. Poor Bonnie!!!???

I don't think it's supposed to make sense yet, LOL!, but I'm intrigued.

When is the next episode airing?</i>

April 17th.

Re preview - I don't watch those - hope it is not that bad? Stelena makes me insides turn the wrong way... Hope it won't be bad. I hope I must not worry.

Eh, the Travellers put visions of happy S/E times in Elena's head. I'm actually kinda, erm, happy (?) about it... I mean, that it's coming when it is. Look at it, we got this uber-hot D/E fantasy with Elena in THIS episode and it was clearly, 100% from ELENA. What she wanted, what she desired, from her head, from her heart, from her loins. And this is going to contrast with the fact that what is happening in the next episode is NOT what she wants but is something that is being implanted in her mind. I think that is significant and good for us. :)
(Anonymous) on March 28th, 2014 06:25 pm (UTC)
Commenting over here since you don't post with us, Jenby! ;) (Guess who!)

Great reviews as always. I have some thoughts on a couple of points from the review and the comments.

-Damon has also never been in a normal adult relationship as far as we know, unless you count Katherine, and while I agree that everyone on this show has done bad things for each other, Elena has never been very comfortable with it. Even when it was Stefan she was forgiving, part of that was because Stefan beat himself up about it just as much as she does. I think it's reasonable for her to want the distance to process the things that have happened and figure out if she can accept the way she and Damon affect each other - and it's OK if she can't. Dating a reformed serial killer is a little outside the norm, after all!

-As far as Elena fighting for Damon, that was before she heard what he did to Aaron as a reaction to her breaking up with him, and Damon himself stopped her from making excuses for him (last scene of 3x16 before the sex) and was the first to say they needed to end it. And he continued to push her to recognize her need to make excuses for the people she loves this episode, even as he also wanted nothing more than to drag her back to bed. That is actually something about Damon's character right now that I appreciate - he knows that Elena is bending her morals constantly because of the life that they lead and especially because she's in love with him, and he doesn't want that for her. I'm hoping he's finally at a place where he doesn't want it for himself either. He needs to learn that murder is not an appropriate reaction to a breakup, lol.

-I am not a fan of Stefan and Caroline as a romance, but they did have great scenes this episode. However, they were hypocritical with the idea that they are "too good" to murder people to save each other. Stefan murdered Andie, who was totally innocent, Caroline murdered her mom's deputies, who were technically just doing their jobs, and then of course there were the 12 witches, though they were trying to kill Bonnie so she gets a pass from me. The point is, most of the characters at this point in the show ARE willing to kill for their friends; it's just a question of how difficult it is for them to go through with it, which usually depends on how evil or good the person they're aiming to kill is. I don't think Elena would have been able to kill Tom either.

-Enzo has grown on me so much. That is all.

-Thank you for the gifs. God bless looping, lol.

Arabian: Damon & Elena37arabian on April 7th, 2014 05:10 am (UTC)
-Damon has also never been in a normal adult relationship as far as we know, unless you count Katherine

Well, I don't agree with this because I do count Katherine, and he was with Bree (who while in college, she was in her late teens, early 20's), as well as Isobel and those were both adults. There was also Sage, and as well, he was in a relationship with Andie, he may not have been in love with her, but he cared about her. So, he has been in adult relationships, perhaps not "normal," but frankly, no one on this show has normal relationships.

Elena has never been very comfortable with it.

But she didn't seem to have a problem with what Stefan did to Andie, or what Caroline did to the witches, or what happened to Chris the hybrid. She gave no thought to it after the fact. And she had very little remorse over all the vampires she would be killing when she came up with the plan to kill Kol. I love my girl, dearly, but no, Elena only seems to be uncomfortable with it when someone is out and out evil (Klaus, Katherine, etc.) or doesn't tie a moralistic bow on it (Damon).

I think it's reasonable for her to want the distance to process the things that have happened and figure out if she can accept the way she and Damon affect each other - and it's OK if she can't.

I agree with the former, but not the latter. If she can't accept dealing with Damon, than she needs to cut herself off from Stefan too, because Stefan has done much worse than Damon, he's just not upfront about it.

As far as Elena fighting for Damon, that was before she heard what he did to Aaron as a reaction to her breaking up with him, and Damon himself stopped her from making excuses for him (last scene of 3x16 before the sex) and was the first to say they needed to end it. And he continued to push her to recognize her need to make excuses for the people she loves this episode, even as he also wanted nothing more than to drag her back to bed. That is actually something about Damon's character right now that I appreciate - he knows that Elena is bending her morals constantly because of the life that they lead and especially because she's in love with him, and he doesn't want that for her. I'm hoping he's finally at a place where he doesn't want it for himself either. He needs to learn that murder is not an appropriate reaction to a breakup, lol.

I agree that Damon went too far, I agree actually with all you say in regards to Damon here, but not Elena. Regardless of what happened with Aaron to just give up fighting for Damon like that at the first bump (admittedly a big bump) was an awful thing to do to Damon because it was just yet another justification that Damon isn't worth it.

However, they were hypocritical with the idea that they are "too good" to murder people to save each other. Stefan murdered Andie, who was totally innocent, Caroline murdered her mom's deputies, who were technically just doing their jobs, and then of course there were the 12 witches

Stefan is a hypocrite, but I've been saying that for quite a while (even though I love him dearly), but as for Caroline, we have to remember she's really so young still (just like Elena is) so it's easier to try and forget the bad she's done and justify it with the good reasons and whitewash why she's done stuff. I mean Damon doesn't justify the stuff he does or whitewash it, he owns it. And he lets the others have their fantasy that they are the good guys because they are the kids and they need that fantasy, it's how they sleep at night, it's how they keep from flipping the switch. I get that when Caroline (and the others) go off on their "good vampires" schtick.

-Enzo has grown on me so much. That is all.

I've really liked him from day one. Alas, based on Julie's comments at PaleyFest, I'm guessing he's not long for this world. *sigh*

-Thank you for the gifs. God bless looping, lol.

Yuppers!
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on March 28th, 2014 06:37 pm (UTC)
Oh and .... Damon is noted as Jeremy's first contact at school and he had the parent meeting diarised way in advance....
Arabian: Damon & Jeremy01arabian on March 31st, 2014 06:32 am (UTC)
Makes sense what with Jeremy living with Damon, but yeah, I love that because it shows that Damon did take it seriously enough to set that up, to take note of that kind of stuff. Uh huh. I still have hope that something is going to happen with Damon and Jeremy by the end of the season.
Frust-sheep: sheep: *aww*frust_sheep on March 28th, 2014 09:11 pm (UTC)
Delena & Steroline in this epi...I'm a really happy Frust-sheep! :D
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline09arabian on March 31st, 2014 06:33 am (UTC)
If you ship those two pairs, it was kinda hard to not be happy if you have working brain cells!
Bogwitch: TVD Enzo and Carolinebogwitch on March 29th, 2014 09:20 pm (UTC)

Does the lack of thinky thoughts mean we get a Take Two????

For all that Damon’s wit makes me smile, TVD has never been laugh out loud funny (although in a painful way) until the ‘broke the mold’ line. Oh dear.

My obsession with picking at Enzo’s infuriatingly vague and nonsensical history continues! Now we know a touch more (though a lot, lot less than I was hoping for given the synopsis), I am rather relieved that he isn’t Italian and therefore probably wasn’t fighting for Mussolini, though why he is named Enzo at all is still a bit odd and if not important to the plot later, unnecessarily confusing; he should have been called Alf or something. For some reason (a sick one probably), I really enjoyed Enzo’s doorknob killing technique, I’ve watched much too much Supernatural, clearly.

I have a Caroline and Enzo icon. It means nothing.
Florencia: DE (Keep On Fighting)florencia7 on March 30th, 2014 03:07 am (UTC)
"though why he is named Enzo at all is still a bit odd" - My take on his name is that, etymologically, it has something to do with exogenic/endogenic & is a kind of a word play related to his role in Damon's arc this season.
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MaelJ0714: lipsmaelj0714 on April 2nd, 2014 02:52 pm (UTC)
Well, better late than never to comment!! Hopefully.... :)

Thank you, thank you for those incredible gifs!! My goodness, this was such a good episode! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched this one. Just an insane and ridiculous amount! As a Delena/Steroline fan, this one just had everything my heart desired.

There is so much love there that they simply can't think straight and some distance (relationship-wise) could probably help right now, but they do need to keep talking.

Regarding D/E, I really think you nailed it here (at least IMO). The ending scene was okay because to me it was more ‘taking a break’ than ‘breaking up.’ And while I almost always agree with everything in your reviews, I have to say I really didn’t feel in this case that Elena was running away or burying her head in the sand. Now I may be proven wrong in the next couple of episodes but I saw it more as her needing to step back, clear her mind, plant her feet, and get her head on straight. Because, let’s face it, Damon knocked her FLAT. ON. HER. ASS. LOL You mentioned before, (I think sometime in Season 3) that if Damon ever decided to turn up the heat and actively seduce Elena, girl wouldn’t stand a chance. And in this episode, GOOD LORD, did he turn it on!!! The one area that Damon does not lack in self-esteem is his affect on women. He may use compulsion so they won’t be afraid of him and let him feed on them, but he has NEVER had to compel a woman to have sex with him. Whether it was Isabelle, Kelly, Andie, Rose, Rebekah, Sage, Lexi, countless college girls and clubgoers, even Caroline, who, during the one time she talked about what Damon did to her – 4.08 -- never denied ‘jumping into bed with him’ or accused him of forcing her, just that he deceived and manipulated her for his own selfish reasons (join the majority of us, Caroline, who’ve experienced some form of this, unfortunately, in at least one relationship). And he’s always made sure they had a damn good time doing it. Honestly, I bet there’s not a woman alive who wouldn’t be a little flustered and off-kilter if Damon decided to pursue them like that. And Elena is no exception. If I weren’t so effing jealous, I’d almost have pity on her. ....but I digress…:-P

She knew that she had to put some distance between them if she was going to look at herself and their relationship objectively. She needed time to think, because with him around like that, she could only think of one thing and it was obvious from that classroom fantasy what that was. ;-) She practically begged him not to drive her back to Whitmore and resisted when he even came near her. She knows the affect he has on her and so does he. Which is why his loving, non-sexual kiss on the forehead was so meaningful. Although their relationship is very much about sex, it’s about so much more.

I love the parallels to 2x08. In both cases she doesn’t want him to come near her for the same reasons. And I love his gentle care for her in both these scenes.

The scenes with Caroline and Enzo were really good. I agree, I don’t want a romantic relationship between them but I am hoping that maybe, MAYBE? he will be the person/reason that finally provides Caroline some insight and understanding about Damon. Enzo and Damon are so similar. I really liked his comments about Maggie helping him realize he was always good and his belief in doing whatever it takes for the one he loves.

Also, I loved that we got a callback of the word ‘consume’ about Damon and Elena, even if Enzo was talking about the vampire virus. That word definitely describes their love for each other.

cont.
Arabian: Damon & Elena27arabian on April 7th, 2014 05:35 am (UTC)
Well, better late than never to comment!! Hopefully.... :)

Always appreciated. Thank you.

My goodness, this was such a good episode! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched this one. Just an insane and ridiculous amount! As a Delena/Steroline fan, this one just had everything my heart desired.

I'm going to try and rewatch it again before the next episode. I really did like it.

There is so much love there that they simply can't think straight and some distance (relationship-wise) could probably help right now, but they do need to keep talking.

Definitely.

The ending scene was okay because to me it was more ‘taking a break’ than ‘breaking up.’

Except they already broke up so....

And while I almost always agree with everything in your reviews, I have to say I really didn’t feel in this case that Elena was running away or burying her head in the sand.

I want to agree with you, but I just can't because this is how Elena operates. If she wasn't running away she would have stayed and talked to him. She could have moved to a different room. Damon can control himself around her. Elena can control herself around him. They did it for years. And they did it for months during the whole sirebond situation. Elena ran away because she just can't deal with this right now. That's not an adult way to deal with the situation. You stay, you talk it out, you deal with it. The only time you don't is when all you do is fight and yell and accomplish nothing and that's not what they are doing. She's running away and burying her head and not dealing because that's all she's done in EVERY RELATIONSHIP in her life, it's all she knows how to do.

You mentioned before, (I think sometime in Season 3) that if Damon ever decided to turn up the heat and actively seduce Elena, girl wouldn’t stand a chance. And in this episode, GOOD LORD, did he turn it on!!!

Yup, that's very true, he does have that power over her. But he also respects her and would never use that power over her. So all she has to do is let him know he can't do that to her and he won't. And once she told him that it was too much for her and she needed him to back off, he did. That's ALL SHE NEEDED TO DO, but instead she chose to run away and not deal.

She knew that she had to put some distance between them if she was going to look at herself and their relationship objectively. She needed time to think, because with him around like that, she could only think of one thing and it was obvious from that classroom fantasy what that was. ;-) She practically begged him not to drive her back to Whitmore and resisted when he even came near her. She knows the affect he has on her and so does he. Which is why his loving, non-sexual kiss on the forehead was so meaningful. Although their relationship is very much about sex, it’s about so much more.

I saw it from him that he was respecting her, growth on his part, but I saw Elena choosing not to deal. I hope you're right and I'm wrong, I really do, but I don't think we're going to see Elena dealing with their relationship issues when they're apart, talking it through on the phone or with her friends--other than them telling her it was the best move to end things with him once and for all.

he will be the person/reason that finally provides Caroline some insight and understanding about Damon.

I dunno.

Enzo and Damon are so similar.

I actually just see surface similarities personally, hmmm.

I really liked his comments about Maggie helping him realize he was always good and his belief in doing whatever it takes for the one he loves.

Agreed.
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MaelJ0714: lipsmaelj0714 on April 2nd, 2014 02:53 pm (UTC)
Part 2.

The scenes with Caroline and Stefan were AMAZING. Ditto, Ditto to all you said. I couldn’t help but think again of a parallel to Damon and Elena in 3.08, when Damon(Caroline) is watching Elena(Stefan) sleep after the other revealed something particularly significant about them.

One last thought – Did you happen to notice the professor’s dialogue during the Damon/Elena scene after Elena’s classroom fantasy? “Chemistry is about attraction and reaction. Sometimes it's beautiful; just as often, it’s destructive. As you can imagine, it’s the more destructive reactions that your students are most interested in.” Oh, how I do love our little show. ;-)

Oh, one last, LAST thought, since Ian Somerhalder is slightly method and not at all bashful about that amazing body of his, yeah, I’m betting TOTALLY NEKKID. lol

Know these take up a lot of your time, but I do hope over the break you consider a take-two. I love your thinky-thoughts! The longer the writeup, the better! And I would love to read your thoughts on why Damon wasn’t so devastated by this ‘breakup’ like he was by the other. I have my theories (see above) but want to hear what you think!
Arabian: Damon12arabian on April 7th, 2014 05:38 am (UTC)
The scenes with Caroline and Stefan were AMAZING. Ditto, Ditto to all you said. I couldn’t help but think again of a parallel to Damon and Elena in 3.08, when Damon(Caroline) is watching Elena(Stefan) sleep after the other revealed something particularly significant about them.

Yeah, very, very good point. I just, sigh, sigh, sigh, LOVED their scenes. SO MUCH!

One last thought – Did you happen to notice the professor’s dialogue during the Damon/Elena scene after Elena’s classroom fantasy? “Chemistry is about attraction and reaction. Sometimes it's beautiful; just as often, it’s destructive. As you can imagine, it’s the more destructive reactions that your students are most interested in.” Oh, how I do love our little show. ;-)

Kinda hard not to notice, it was a bit obvious, I thought, LOL!

Oh, one last, LAST thought, since Ian Somerhalder is slightly method and not at all bashful about that amazing body of his, yeah, I’m betting TOTALLY NEKKID. lol

And we were supposed to totally get that Damon wasn't just naked right, but also, uhm, erm, happy? Right? Damon *had* just woken UP? Especially the way Elena edged around him? I know I certainly thought so. Hehehehehe.

Know these take up a lot of your time, but I do hope over the break you consider a take-two. I love your thinky-thoughts! The longer the writeup, the better! And I would love to read your thoughts on why Damon wasn’t so devastated by this ‘breakup’ like he was by the other. I have my theories (see above) but want to hear what you think!

I'm considering it.
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tj2013: pic#120865641tj2013 on April 2nd, 2014 08:13 pm (UTC)

Know these take up a lot of your time, but I do hope over the break you consider a take-two. I love your thinky-thoughts! The longer the writeup, the better!


Can I just say: THIS.
Thank you!



Edited at 2014-04-02 08:16 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Matt02arabian on April 7th, 2014 05:39 am (UTC)
Thanks, I'm thinking about it. We'll see.
Alisha: SoM Dancekalishaka on November 16th, 2014 01:29 am (UTC)
I know I already rambled about some points in this episode....so I shall try to not repeat myself overly much.

But ugh, Tyler. You know what. I don't know how to feel about not actively hating him. Yay for making Tyler not completely useless. I enjoy Team Jeremy/Tyler/Matt! I mean...they can all be stupid together. But I like that Jeremy is taking control of his life in his own way. Finding his place in this madness. Owning his position and title and what it could mean. It's a positive move for all of them I think.

Delena! Delena! Delena! The Boot! Like I just...THE BOOT! Also, I think one of the most beautiful scenes this couple has ever had might have been the last one from this episode. Where she explains exactly how much she cares about him, wants him. While I don't agree that they are bad for each other, I do agree that things have been insane for them. And space so they can become something better.....and Damon kissing her forehead and wishing her well. I just cannot express how beautiful I found it. Because she was expecting him to reel her back in, like he always does, like I think she almost wanted him too. But she used her words and he understood and ugh they gut me.

But the more important part of this episode for me.....STEFAN! CAROLINE! STEFAN AND CAROLINE! The way he tells her they are going to sleep because there is nothing else they can do right now. The way he jokes about her leaving him to flirt with British men. The way he just collapses next to her. The way he looks at her when she asks him if he knew. The way she curls into him, nestling against him before she falls asleep. The way they wake up curled together. ALL OF MY FEELINGS. I have never wanted something so much. UGH!

Poor Bonnie. They have done a lot of interesting things with Bonnie, but I always feel like when Bonnie isn't plot useful that sometimes they neglect her character. And I felt like with this episode. They needed her in it, so they made her worry about Jeremy.....which just felt so weak. But then they gave us that beautiful moment with her in the end. I will never ever sell short the power of Bonnie's character. She is marvelous. Kat is marvelous. But I just wish sometimes that Bonnie was more than just the big powerful plot device to either make something happen or stop it from happening. I mean they can and should use her for those things, I just wish sometimes she felt like more. It's like my constant complaint about how they throw Caroline to male characters sometimes when they need something to keep her on screen, whereas with Bonnie they just seemingly erase her. I don't know. I miss Bonnie. I just want to ramble about missing Bonnie.