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24 January 2014 @ 07:34 am
5.11 - '500 Years of Solitude' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Please do not reference spoilers, upcoming episode synopses and stills (including your reaction—good or bad—to them), interviews/tweets with cast, crew, writers, etc. Basically anything about the show that hasn't aired yet. Thank you.

Whee! New Vampire Diaries episode and it's only Friday morning and I've got my write-up done. WOOHOO!!!

Despite the fact that you will read some criticisms aplenty in this write-up (and some of them rather fervent), I want to begin with a very strong positive. I did like this episode. I thought it was a very good episode, and one that grew stronger and wherein many of the issues melted away upon a rewatch and with further thought. Two of my biggest issues, I wouldn't even have were it not the 100th episode and the first episode back from a long hiatus. Since they don't matter when looking at the season or series as a whole, I'll address them in a bit, but with less feeling than I would have after first watching the episode. Instead, I will address the one that matters regardless of its airing and placement and that would be the Saint Stefan vs. the Demon Damon dichotomy at play.

Katherine's final flashback just drove it home to the nth degree, contrasting Damon being mean to poor, dying Katherine (who, let's be honest, really did damn near destroy all of their lives at one point or another) with Stefan making everything sweet and wonderful for Katherine because he is just that swell of a guy. Give me a freaking break. I mean, really? Did they have to lay it on that thick? And it was just non-stop throughout the whole episode. Damon is bad. Stefan is good. OK, we get it. Lord, help me. And they had to turn around and bring it even into the one brothers Salvatore scene. I love those scenes, but not so much this time because of this nonsense. And that really frustrated me because I loved seeing Stefan genuinely seem to want his brother to be happy with Elena because he was good with her, but two things kept me from enjoying the scene. The first was Damon talking about winning Elena back. That just made no sense. Why would he have to win her bac? What horrible thing had he done that he'd have to work so hard at it? Didn't he just break up with her like the night before? So, wouldn't it take him saying 'Uhm, Elena, I was really upset about the whole Enzo thing and I'm sorry, I love you, I was an idiot' and then, they're good? What else is there to it?

Secondly, and this was really, really frustrating, was Damon saying that him ending things with Elena was his ONE SELFLESS ACT. ONE?!?? ONE?! So all the other selfless things that Damon has done over the seasons didn't count because Stefan and the others didn't know about them? Is that how it works? Seriously!?!?!? Come on! I mean, really? I just don't even know anymore. I can't defend the show when they feed me bs like this. I'm sorry, Vampire Diaries writers, but Damon is not the be-all and end-all of evil and selfishness in the universe. If you really think that, you need to rewatch your show. Especially when you have a character like Stefan Salvatore on it. Because of the two? Stefan is a helluva lot more selfish than Damon. And this idea that he's this saintly, selfless do-gooder hero is ridiculous and completely goes against what you have written for four and a half seasons. And you know what else? Damon is not this evil, selfish monster. So stop writing episodes that portray them as only Saint Stefan and Demon Damon because that's what this one did and it was quite frustrating. Yes, we had Jeremy, Matt, Liz, Elena and Stefan show they obviously care for Damon, but by making Katherine the centerpiece of the episode, showing how both Damon and Stefan reacted to her highlighted their natures and Stefan was the good guy, Damon was the bad. So, yes, it was very, very frustrating. I still believe (hope) that this season is heading somewhere with regards to Damon (and those who still believe the worst of him—i.e., Caroline) and the low opinion of him turning on its head, but I would prefer it not be so terribly heavy-handed along the way, and frankly I expect much better from Julie Plec and Caroline Dries.

My other two main issues, and these were the ones that revolved around the placement (the episode back after a long hiatus and especially being the 100th episode of the series). Why on earth would the show choose to center their 100th episode around a recurring character? I don't care how popular Katherine is. I don't care that she is played by the lead actress. She is a recurring character. If they wanted to build the 100th episode around just one character, pick the most popular character of the leads, i.e. Damon. But, really, it should have been built around Damon, Elena and Stefan, the show's leads, the three characters that the show has been centered around, sold on from day one. I honestly cannot, at all, in any way, shape or form, understand why they would have chosen to build their 100th episode around a recurring character, feature flashbacks of a recurring character, feature this recurring character more than any other. A recurring character… for the 100th episode. I'm truly and utterly mind-boggled. And Damon who is—not even arguably, he is indisputably—the show's most popular character had a smaller role than Katherine, Elena and Stefan.

And then it gets even better! In the 100th episode, there were plenty of Stefan and Elena scenes and wait for it… zero one-on-one Damon and Elena scenes... indisputably, again, not arguably, the show's most popular couple. Wrong. That's just plain wrong. First, the show barely gives Damon/Elena fans ANY happy, sexy, romantic scenes the first half of the season when they are a couple. And this is after teasing us with the knowledge of this magical summer of love they shared—which they only show us 30 seconds of and then taint by having Damon kill some innocent behind Elena's back—after waiting to see them be together for FIVE YEARS. THEN Damon dumps her, we have to wait during a six-week hiatus and upon the return we get exactly zero scenes with just the two and this is all the one-on-one interaction in the limited group scenes we get. Wait for it…

 

Yeah, that's it. That's all we get for Damon and Elena interaction. Yay.

Can you hear my cheering?

*sigh*

OK, and there ends my grumbling (for the most part—you know I'm gonna bitch about Tyler), now happy thoughts, including Damon and Elena happy thoughts! While we may not have gotten pretty much any interaction with them, while Stefan and Elena did, considering what actually happened with regards to all of the romantic entanglements, I actually found it very, very positive for Damon and Elena. First let's talk about the parallels in the first batch of scenes: Elena with Bonnie and Caroline, Damon with Matt and Jeremy (and excuse me a moment while I squee and flail in joy that Damon had Matt and Jeremy as his bros sorta there for him post-break-up, I mean OMG!)

 

Ahem… Anyhoo, I loved the fact that they went out of their way to create these parallels here between Damon and Elena and their respective threesome buddies (*sigh* Damon/Jeremy/Matt! SQUEE! *sigh*) to show that this is your couple, this is your root-for-OTP.

 
 

I mean, obviously Damon didn't go to Matt and/or Jeremy, they came upon him at the Grill, but they stuck around when they saw his suffering self. They tried to talk to him, tried to help him through it, and when the call from Stefan came, they did go with him as a trio. Damn, I loved seeing Matt and Jeremy be Damon's bros. :sniff, sniff:

Originally, I wasn't so much feeling the girl-trio which was in large part because I was a tad peeved that Elena was giving up on Damon just like that. And for her to say that once Damon decides something, that's it confused me because, uhm, really? No, it's more like, once Elena decides something, that's it for Damon. And it took *Stefan* telling Elena to not give up on Damon for Elena to not give up on Damon? Elena who, you know, never gives up on ANYONE? Like ever! Really?! It just felt like such out-of-character writing for Elena and, again, Julie Plec and Caroline Dries wrote this episode so I was wondering what crack they were smoking when they wrote this scene, and just thinking clearly that it was not the good stuff.

Then I rewatched it and I was watching Elena's expression and listening to her voice, and I was flashing back to season 01 when Stefan first broke up with her and it all seemed familiar. Back then, she pulled the same 'I am woman, I am strong' routine so, yeah, this is in character from that perspective. Yes, it's frustrating when she says, "I have to face reality, Damon makes up his mind about something, it's done," because, hey, she's not fighting for Damon, but well, she never really fought for Stefan whenever he broke up with her for reasons beyond external ones. However, then her phone rings and she obviously thinks it Damon and clearly very much hopes it's Damon despite her "strong" Elena face she's got going.

 

And note Bonnie's nodding 'uh huh' expression in the middle there that is totally full supportive and totally skeptical. She's knows that Elena doesn't believe a word she's saying and that Damon and Elena are a long ways off from done. As does Caroline. *sigh* I originally had a Caroline-rant in place here because I was upset with her, walking in with a smile, memorizing the break-up speech, etc. But, yeah, rewatching and gif-fing the scene, I can't hate on her and I'm happy to say that I can take back the denunciation of her that was going to take place in this paragraph.

I still wish that she would approach her issues with Damon and Elena differently because—seeing what happened with her and Klaus (sorry, just do not care)—she does get it. But, man, how she addresses it... man, she just comes across as a complete hypocrite. I would be perfectly OK with her having an issue with Damon and Elena if she talked to Elena about it from THAT angle. If she told Elena that she understood that she loved Damon, that she was drawn to him, that he had done good things and was there for her, but that she had to look at the damage he caused and was capable of causing and looked at the bigger picture. But she doesn't do that. All she does is "DAMON IS BAD! DAMON IS EVIL! BAD, DAMON, BAD! BAD, ELENA, BAD for being with BAD, DAMON, BAD!"

But at least she was trying to be a good friend here. Other than the speech memorization—which was bad—she was a good friend. She didn't even try and push Stefan onto Elena even though he called. She showed looks and smiles of sympathy and that's more than I expected. In fact, only watching it once, I had actually imagined she was all cheery and joyful about it before I went back and rewatched it and saw that she actually had been very sympathetic to Elena. So I can still ♥ Caroline.

Phew! Now getting back on track with my happy Damon/Elena tidings. While we did indeed have a bunch of Stefan and Elena scenes, they weren't romantic-based, like, at all. Even though Elena found out about Stefan sleeping with Katherine, she didn't seem upset from a jealousy point of view, but more from a ‘how could you do that with *her*!' angle that was the same as everyone else. And while I found it terribly annoying that she needed Stefan to point out Damon was pushing her away because he hates himself, tied in with what I realized earlier about Elena, it makes sense. She's putting on her ‘brave Elena face' right now. Damon dumped her, and let's face it, Elena doesn't know how to handle being dumped because that just doesn't happen to her. She kinda is the chosen one herself (like Stefan) therefore she doesn't know how to handle rejection, so she buries her head under her covers and then puts on a brave, ‘I don't care' face to the world.

She needs to be prodded. Stefan prodded her, and then he prodded Damon too. So we had Stefan basically giving both of them his blessing and urging them to go and make things right with each other. What we really saw with Stefan and Elena was two friends, and even though the doppelganger bond was brought up again, it wasn't romantic at all between them…

However, there was romantic bond between a couple of other doppelgangers, now wasn't there? Uh huh. Once again, we saw romantic angles, reminiscences and moments between Stefan and his original romantic doppelganger, Katherine Pierce. Which brings us to a key point about The Vampire Diaries and how they roll. They don't introduce arcs and then they're done. Just like the Travelers were brought back into the picture, so were the doppelgangers brought into play again. That story, the bond between them isn't over yet just because Silas and Amara are gone and I still say that Stefan and *Elena* are the red herring. Stefan and Katherine have got more story, folks, I'm telling ya!

Finally, with regards to Damon and Elena, I mentioned in my write-up for the last episode that one of the things I did appreciate about the break-up is how it was so beautifully character-driven. Alas, that is definitely not the case now. Stefan prodded Elena and Damon, and Damon made it clear that he was going to patch things up with Elena and I doubt that anyone thinks that she wouldn't have reunited with him. However, now that Katherine has taken over her body, we have a plot-driven, external obstacle. Ah joy. Well, there will likely still be some character-driven story here also, but we'll see how it plays out.

Speaking of… Katherine in Elena's body. What a shock. Uhm, not. As soon as I saw Elena alone with Katherine in the waning minutes (OK, I figured before then, but still had hope they wouldn't be *that* obvious), I knew they were indeed going with Katherine in her body since Nadia had told her all they needed to do was say the words. I wrote in my "Fifty Shades of Grayson" write-up after I had theorized (hopefully) that shockingly Katherine would wind up in Caroline's body:

I REALLY hope that it's not going to be the VERY predictable Katherine in Elena's body, Katherine as Elena gets back together with Stefan pronto, Damon goes off the deep end, turns off his humanity and starts vamping on people left and right. Because that would be really, really predictable. Like SUPER predictable.
*sigh* However, I then added in the comments to someone else:

I hope that even if the predictable thing happens, it's written well and creates wonderful character dynamics and furthers the Damon, Damon/Elena, Damon/Stefan journey in a rewarding, enriching way.
Now, I don't know that the other stuff will happen, but if it does, it's OK with me as long as it does create great character dynamics and growth. Plus, if Katherine as Elena does get back together with Stefan, doesn't bother me at all, because it's Katherine with Stefan, not Elena. And all of this basically just creates among other things, a honking obstacle for Damon and Elena, proving yet again that *they* are THE couple.

Still, it's so very predictable. Once we knew that Katherine was dying, everyone thought that Katherine would go into Elena. The only reason anyone thought she wouldn't was because it was too obvious. And when that's the only reason, well, that's not a good enough or shocking enough reason, writers. Still, again, I can only hope that the writers reward my faith and it is enriching and beautifully, brilliantly written.

And with that… randoms.

- Aww, seeing all the oldies pop up was nice. Jenna! John! Vicki! Alaric!! Alaric and Damon having a moment!! TEAM BAD-ASS!!!

     

- Nice Elijah/Katherine moment, proving that Katherine did/does love Elijah. Oh, and nice to know that Julie Plec values the continuity of The Originals more than The Vampire Diaries. Harrumph. Heaven forbid she screw up the Elijah/Hayley storyline and the Elijah/Celeste backstory she has brewing there by having Elijah show up here reminding viewers, oh right, he's been in love with Katherine since he was introduced. Yeah, but it was no problem messing with the Katherine/Elijah story over here on the mothership to establish a story for Elijah on Plec's new show. Me, bitter? Nah.

- Nice seeing Rebekah too, even if I still ship Matt/Human!Katherine now. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Matt/Rebekah (who apparently had some funky times in the woods too), not that we got to see it. :Pouts: I would have much preferred seeing that over Klaus and Caroline, sorry, K/C shippers. I know, I know, you're happy. But, but, but, for me, pretty blondes smiling prettily at each other!

 

- I clearly adore Matt. (See extra smiling Matt gif above. :) I literally texted this to my friend during the show (all in caps) -- I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD IF THEY KILL OFF MATT!!!!!! And I said to myself (aloud) "I'm done with this show, I swear I'm done if they kill him off. He never hurt anyone of all of them, except for Caroline, but I don't care about her right now, so whatever. I LOVE MATT! Damnit." And yes, I haven't forgotten how much I love Ian Somerhalder and Damon, I just love Matt so much, they better not kill him off. Damnit!

- I'm so glad they slipped Liz in for a scene or two with Damon to showcase their friendship. I do ♥ their friendship so. See, Damon, Liz loves you! You're not a monster!

- I know that the ‘Stefan cured of his Silas demons' was pretty quick and random, so I wonder if either (a) that's going to come back into play down the line, or (b) if it will turn out to be tied into the fact that Katherine, as a fellow doppelganger helped him with it? Hmmm…

- Another hmmm… So why did the Travelers need a bucket full of double-doppelganger blood?

- Thank god, Katherine was selfless for once in her life and didn't go into Nadia. Imagine the horror of Olga Fonda attempting to portray the awesome that is Katherine Pierce. I might have to spork my eyes and eardrums out.

- Yeah, Matt totes loves Damon. Instead of blaming Damon for Vicki's death even though, he, you know, killed her, he blames Katherine for messing with Damon's head and sending Damon back to Mystic Falls.

- And speaking of sorta misplacing blame (take the misplacing wherever you want), no, Elena, it's not Klaus' fault that Jenna's dead, it's your fault, yours and Stefan's because you two decided to go and look at waterfalls—fucking waterfalls—while all the sacrifice shit was going down. Never forget. I will never forget. Ugh.

- Speaking of ugh. Fucking Tyler. Why can't I have nice things? Like my favorite show without Tyler Lockwood? Ugh, ugh, ugh!

On a happier note… so one hundred episodes. Wow, we made it one hundred episodes. Pretty awesome! I ♥ my show. I may complain sometime, but mostly I just love it and adore it so like no other show ever. Like I said I had some issues, but they were mostly related to the timing and placement of the episode. I really did enjoy the episode and I very, very much look forward to what's to come in the upcoming weeks. If you're reading, please let me know your thoughts, share what you think, just drop a line and say you're reading, I don't want to do these in a vacuum, I want to know that people are reading. Here's to another, well, maybe not 100, but a whole bunch more!! :)

Once more for the road, please do not reference spoilers, upcoming episode synopses and stills (including your reaction—good or bad—to them), interviews/tweets with cast, crew, writers, etc. Basically anything about the show that hasn't aired yet. Thank you.
 
 
 
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on January 24th, 2014 01:12 pm (UTC)
I don’t really have a problem with the 100th ep being about Katherine. She might be a recurring character, but she is at the core of almost everything so when she isn’t around, she kind of is.

I have more to say, but I’ve got to go back to work. I will be back at some point (with that essay about the last ep I still owe you but haven’t had time to polish up and now needs a lot of (wrong) speculation trimmed out…).
Arabian: Damon09arabian on January 24th, 2014 03:20 pm (UTC)
Core or not, she's still a RECURRING character and this is the 100th episode of a series and therefore it should be celebrating the series thus celebrating the MAIN characters, not a recurring character. This show is built around Damon Salvatore, Elena Gilbert and Stefan Salvatore, not Katherine Pierce. For periods of season 01 and 02, she wasn't part of the story. For a good chunk of season 03, she wasn't part of the story. For a very good chunk of season 04, she had nothing to do with the story. The 100th episode--a landmark for a television show that doesn't happen very often--should celebrate the characters that are showcased throughout the series' run, not for only certain periods. I just can't agree with anything other than that. Sorry.

I look forward to your other thoughts for this episode and the last.

Edited at 2014-01-24 03:24 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on January 24th, 2014 05:17 pm (UTC)
You have no idea how happy I was to see that you've already wrote your review :D :D :D

I had a lot of issues with the episode last night when I watched it and thank god I re-watched it again today..It was a nice episode, i liked it, but to me it feels like it wasn't good enough for it to be the 100th episode and the one after the hiatus. I totally agree with you, that I have no idea why they centered the episode around Katherine. I honestly wished she would have died (though i don't really like her in the show). Yes this episode was totally supposed to be around Elena, Stefan and Damon (it's not like they don't have what to do with them)..There was way too little scenes with Damon, not to mention the non existing ones with him and Elena (this kind of reminds me of 3.11 which didn't address the kiss on the porch up until the next, 3.12 episode), and the scenes that we got, well like you said, basically showed that he is bad and that Stefan is good...

I love Stefan in this episode..

I LOVEEEE!!!! your recap..I agree with well everything you said ;) <3

Andy :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on January 26th, 2014 05:56 am (UTC)
You have no idea how happy I was to see that you've already wrote your review :D :D :D

I'm going to be writing a "Take Two" that puts up the suggestion that I consider writing later write-ups because I do have a more thoughtful, even more positive take on the episode. So we'll see what comes of that.

I had a lot of issues with the episode last night when I watched it and thank god I re-watched it again today..It was a nice episode, i liked it, but to me it feels like it wasn't good enough for it to be the 100th episode and the one after the hiatus.

I do agree with that. Which won't matter in the long run when looking at the series as a whole because there won't be a hiatus and the episode number won't matter when doing series rewatches, but for now, it does matter.

I totally agree with you, that I have no idea why they centered the episode around Katherine.

I just don't get it. I really don't.

There was way too little scenes with Damon, not to mention the non existing ones with him and Elena

YUP! I even sent a tweet to Plec & Dries (which I'm sure was lost among the many others, which I'm sure was just ignored as a bitter D/E fan who just doesn't get it!) where I said "good 100th ep, but sad that there was no fanservice for Damon or Damon/Elena fans :(

(this kind of reminds me of 3.11 which didn't address the kiss on the porch up until the next, 3.12 episode)

But they did address it. They were both reacting the next morning and then they had the discussion about it the next time they saw each other after he picked her up from Stefan's murder attempt. They talked about it on the porch when she told him he couldn't kiss her again and he told her it wasn't that it wasn't right, just not the right time.

well like you said, basically showed that he is bad and that Stefan is good...

Actually, I feel better about that overall too which will be in my "Take Two." :D
bangel_4e: delena1bangel_4e on January 24th, 2014 05:35 pm (UTC)
First of all, I truly loved the episode...I did...but I agree about the contrast between Stefan and Damon. It was so exposed and blunt and just forced and that's something that'll never sit right with me (in general, not just this episode). But then I thought about the dream thing...Damon, rightly so, didn't give a f*ck that Kat was dying and was a dick to her in her dreams, while Stefan didn't. Stefan had a different connection to Katherine, always had and so he gave her the revisited dream. It seemed all a little pointless just to underline the Damon vs. Stefan thing.
But then, at the end of the episode, Katherine went inside Elena's body and apparently, has the intention of fooling everyone around her. She will definitely get back at Damon for what he did to her, letting him believe it's Elena talking to him, abandoning him (possibly?). The scenes would make sense. It's still a strong parallel but maybe that was the purpose. Giving Katherine a strong reason to get her revenge on Damon in Elena's body. Just pure speculation.

The other thing, the Salvatore scene was cute but I so agree about this:
The first was Damon talking about winning Elena back. That just made no sense. Why would he have to win her bac? What horrible thing had he done that he'd have to work so hard at it? Didn't he just break up with her like the night before? So, wouldn't it take him saying 'Uhm, Elena, I was really upset about the whole Enzo thing and I'm sorry, I love you, I was an idiot' and then, they're good? What else is there to it

What?? I didn't understand this either. Either it was poor writing or I don't know. Damon won't change his mind so quickly and I don't know why he has to win her back. Unless he truly thinks he needs to change for her, in order not to change her? But if he really thought that, he wouldn't have said three seconds earlier that Elena will be happier without him. As if he didn't see any other solution.
I seriously didn't get this part. At all.

Secondly, and this was really, really frustrating, was Damon saying that him ending things with Elena was his ONE SELFLESS ACT. ONE?!?? ONE?! So all the other selfless things that Damon has done over the seasons didn't count because Stefan and the others didn't know about them? Is that how it works? Seriously!?!?!? Come on! I mean, really? I just don't even know anymore. I can't defend the show when they feed me bs like this. I'm sorry, Vampire Diaries writers, but Damon is not the be-all and end-all of evil and selfishness in the universe. If you really think that, you need to rewatch your show. Especially when you have a character like Stefan Salvatore on it. Because of the two? Stefan is a helluva lot more selfish than Damon. And this idea that he's this saintly, selfless do-gooder hero is ridiculous and completely goes against what you have written for four and a half seasons.
Yep, yep..agreed 100%. And Stefan just sit there...not even a feeble: "That's not the only selfless act you've done". Ugh.
And I feel your pain about the lack of Delena scenes. I just was content with Stefan being supportive of Delena.

Arabian: Elena03arabian on January 26th, 2014 06:26 am (UTC)
I agree about the contrast between Stefan and Damon.

florencia7 made some really good points about the good Stefan vs. bad Damon that I hadn't quite caught that I wanted to touch upon in a "Take Two" post that I'm going to work on when I get a chance. I do think it defintely had a point, but I also think it could have been a less heavy-handed, but if they are planning on doing the Damon realizes he's not this awful monster arc that we're hoping for this season, episodes like this make sense.

Giving Katherine a strong reason to get her revenge on Damon in Elena's body. Just pure speculation.

That could be another reason.

[The first was Damon talking about winning Elena back. That just made no sense.]I didn't understand this either. I seriously didn't get this part. At all.

florencia7 had another good point about that. She wrote: "I think that's why he talks about "winning Elena back." Because he thinks that he has to prove that he's changed all over again, since killing Aaron's aunt kind of "ruined" what he has accomplished, in Elena's eyes, in the last two years." Obviously, we don't see it that way, but I *can* see that, yeah, *Damon* would see it that way.

As for the "one selfless act," again with florencia7 (she had a lot of good points, LOL!), this *was* Damon speaking and he doesn't consider anythign he does good or worthwhile so he would see it that way, and Stefan hasn't seen any of the other selfless things that Damon has done.
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bangel_4e: b1bangel_4e on January 24th, 2014 05:35 pm (UTC)
Then I rewatched it and I was watching Elena's expression and listening to her voice, and I was flashing back to season 01 when Stefan first broke up with her and it all seemed familiar. Back then, she pulled the same 'I am woman, I am strong' routine so, yeah, this is in character from that perspective. Yes, it's frustrating when she says, "I have to face reality, Damon makes up his mind about something, it's done," because, hey, she's not fighting for Damon, but well, she never really fought for Stefan whenever he broke up with her for reasons beyond external ones. However, then her phone rings and she obviously thinks it Damon and clearly very much hopes it's Damon despite her "strong" Elena face she's got going.
Yes, Elena has to be the strong one...she did the same with Stefan so I wasn't worried about that and I also don't think it took Stefan for her not to give up on Damon. I think she was bound to do that on her own, but it was just something that adds to her resolution.

I agree about Caroline and I cheered for her when Stefan called and she didn't act like an idiot and yeah, I pulled out my hear from joy when she had sex with Klaus. I won't say more cause I know you don't care. And then ugh, Tyler again. WHOOOO CARES??????

And yes, there's definitely more to come for Katherine and Stefan. They're just not done.

Now, I don't know that the other stuff will happen, but if it does, it's OK with me as long as it does create great character dynamics and growth. Plus, if Katherine as Elena does get back together with Stefan, doesn't bother me at all, because it's Katherine with Stefan, not Elena. And all of this basically just creates among other things, a honking obstacle for Damon and Elena, proving yet again that *they* are THE couple.
This might come as a shock but I didn't expect for her to end up in Elena's body. I might be dumb, but I guess I just really wanted a nice Elena/Katherine scene and I figured Katherine would have come back in a way or another, but not in Elena and I don't know why. I guess I thought that it'd be TOO predictable and they would never gonna do that. And they did and I was surprised they did.
And as you said, I'm fine with it cause I think it could open up so many great situations and a lot of growth and potential so I'm good.

Nice Elijah/Katherine moment, proving that Katherine did/does love Elijah. Oh, and nice to know that Julie Plec values the continuity of The Originals more than The Vampire Diaries. Harrumph. Heaven forbid she screw up the Elijah/Hayley storyline and the Elijah/Celeste backstory she has brewing there by having Elijah show up here reminding viewers, oh right, he's been in love with Katherine since he was introduced. Yeah, but it was no problem messing with the Katherine/Elijah story over here on the mothership to establish a story for Elijah on Plec's new show. Me, bitter? Nah.
Seriously...Rebekah and Klaus were there, but no Elijah? Katherine is dying, his Katerina and he's not gonna be there. Ugh, stupid Julie Plec. My heart almost broke, I thought it was truly Elijah. And I'll say it, I almost couldn't get through the last TO episode.

Another hmmm… So why did the Travellers need a bucket full of double-doppelganger blood?
Exactly.

Thank god, Katherine was selfless for once in her life and didn't go into Nadia. Imagine the horror of Olga Fonda attempting to portray the awesome that is Katherine Pierce. I might have to spork my eyes and eardrums out.
Ahahaha, thank God indeed. I was screaming NO NO NO at my screen.
Arabian: Damon17arabian on January 26th, 2014 06:30 am (UTC)
This might come as a shock but I didn't expect for her to end up in Elena's body.

Really? I am surprised by that. I just figured it was so obvious. Of course, I really do go out of my way dissecting this show like crazy, LOL!

I guess I thought that it'd be TOO predictable and they would never gonna do that. And they did and I was surprised they did.

Unfortunately, they seem to have forgotten that they aren't a new show anymore and people expect shocking things so they'll figure stuff out.

And as you said, I'm fine with it cause I think it could open up so many great situations and a lot of growth and potential so I'm good.

I just REALLY hope it does.

Seriously...Rebekah and Klaus were there, but no Elijah? Katherine is dying, his Katerina and he's not gonna be there. Ugh, stupid Julie Plec. My heart almost broke, I thought it was truly Elijah. And I'll say it, I almost couldn't get through the last TO episode.

I've pretty much completely dissociated my love for Elijah at this point because of how badly they've handled the Katherine/Elijah aspect due to their determination to create this alternate Elijah love story-palooza on TO. UGH!
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Cassandra Elise: bones not amusedcassandra_elise on January 24th, 2014 06:02 pm (UTC)
This episode was clearly fan-service, which was okay, because I AM a fan, but it wasn't anything spectacular. The cameos from everybody were really sweet and made me feel good (especially the Alaric one, *sobs*), but overall, it was underwhelming. I mean, who didn't see any of those plot twists coming? Except for Tyler's return, which I could've done without. Blergh. I knew they weren't going to kill Katherine, though I was hoping they would be ballsy enough to. Katherine has been a fan favorite from the beginning, and there were so many vocal "fans" out there who were threatening to stop watching if Katherine was killed that I expected the writers to recant and give her another shot (which they did, by throwing her in Elena's body and resetting the love triangle again). Double blergh.

Katherine's final flashback just drove it home to the nth degree, contrasting Damon being mean to poor, dying Katherine (who, let's be honest, really did damn near destroy all of their lives at one point or another) with Stefan making everything sweet and wonderful for Katherine because he is just that swell of a guy. Give me a freaking break. I mean, really? Did they have to lay it on that thick? And it was just non-stop throughout the whole episode. Damon is bad. Stefan is good. OK, we get it. Lord, help me. And they had to turn around and bring it even into the one brothers Salvatore scene. I love those scenes, but not so much this time because of this nonsense. And that really frustrated me because I loved seeing Stefan genuinely seem to want his brother to be happy with Elena because he was good with her, but two things kept me from enjoying the scene.

*sigh* Well, you know that "Damon's evil," trope I was talking about in your last review? Just a friendly reminder from your writers...... To be honest, I was completely on board with Damon tormenting Katherine after all the crap she's put them all through. And he had a point...if Katherine hadn't been selfish with Klaus her family wouldn't have been killed. Granted, it was still Klaus's choice to run them all through with swords. I think Damon was merely projecting his own self-loathing onto Katherine. Damon deems that everything bad that has happened to his loved ones is somehow his fault, because he's "bad," so he was pointing that out to Katherine as well. Stefan, on the other hand, does what he always does. He glosses over the bad. Think of all the times he has cast blame on someone else for his own evil deeds or conveniently forgot Elena was feisty and imperfect. It made sense to me that he would cast his dying ex in the same light.

I still wish that she would approach her issues with Damon and Elena differently because—seeing what happened with her and Klaus (sorry, just do not care)—she does get it. But, man, how she addresses it... man, she just comes across as a complete hypocrite. I would be perfectly OK with her having an issue with Damon and Elena if she talked to Elena about it from THAT angle. If she told Elena that she understood that she loved Damon, that she was drawn to him, that he had done good things and was there for her, but that she had to look at the damage he caused and was capable of causing and looked at the bigger picture. But she doesn't do that....

I'm like you and don't give a rat's ass about Klaroline, but my only consolation from this "scandalous" hookup is that she will finally stop judging Elena. If she can sleep with a 1000 year-old vampire who has done infinitely more despicable things than Damon has, Caroline has no right to judge her friend and her decisions on boyfriends. Anyways, Klaroline hookup was just a little more fan service than I wanted to see. *_*

At this point, after reading more crap spun by Julie Plec and seeing the press releases for upcoming episodes, I'm just going to view the story from my own Damon-stanning perspective and ignore the rest of the crap being tossed at me. No matter what the current episodes tell me, I know who Damon Salvatore is and I know that he and Elena have an epic love. I guess it's inevitable that after100 episodes the writers would start to lose their mojo. I'm not going to hate them for it, but it does make me go into watching each episode with a wary eye.

Edited at 2014-01-24 06:13 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena10arabian on January 26th, 2014 06:41 am (UTC)
This episode was clearly fan-service, which was okay, because I AM a fan, but it wasn't anything spectacular.

If it was they failed pretty badly since they didn't provide fanservice for their most popular character (Damon who was featured less than Katherine, Elena and Stefan and had no stand-out moments at all), and didn't provide any fanservice at all for BY FAR their most popular couple (Damon and Elena). BAD FANSERVICE. How on earth they could do a 100th episode and NOT showcase Damon and Elena is beyond me. Still kinda pissed about that.

The cameos from everybody were really sweet and made me feel good (especially the Alaric one, *sobs*), but overall, it was underwhelming.

Yeah, again, really good episode, but as one back from a hiatus and a 100th episode... didn't quite hit the mark.

(which they did, by throwing her in Elena's body and resetting the love triangle again)

I don't see that as a triangle reset, honestly. If Katherine as Elena goes to Stefan and Stefan gets with her, I don't see how that doesn't make it worse once Elena is back because it makes it even THAT much more obvious how not well Stefan doesn't know Elena... that he couldn't tell it wasn't her. It's just a way to give Stefan/Elena fans some S/E without actually giving it to them because Stefan and Elena are dunzo. It's basically an obstacle for Damon and Elena. It's not a triangle reset.

*sigh* Well, you know that "Damon's evil," trope I was talking about in your last review? Just a friendly reminder from your writers......

I actually am rethinking my thoughts on it after reading florencia7's posts. I do think there was a method there that really showed how, well, wrong Stefan was and right Damon was. Even if he was cruel, he was right about Katherine and Stefan was wrong.

Stefan, on the other hand, does what he always does. He glosses over the bad. Think of all the times he has cast blame on someone else for his own evil deeds or conveniently forgot Elena was feisty and imperfect. It made sense to me that he would cast his dying ex in the same light.

Exactly.

I'm like you and don't give a rat's ass about Klaroline, but my only consolation from this "scandalous" hookup is that she will finally stop judging Elena.

Alas, I don't think this will change how she sees things between Damon and Elena. What I HOPE is that she will still judge and THEN it will slip out what she did and then her hypocrisy will finally be thrown in her face.

OK, re: your thoughts on Julie Plec interviews and press releases about upcoming episodes... please don't mention them to me. Please. I am trying my absolute best to be spoiler free and that includes hearing reactions about information on upcoming episodes (even just press releases/synopses/stills, etc.) from people whose opinions on the show I know. That does give me enough of an idea of what may kinda be coming. I don't want to have any clue. I don't want to speculate negatively or positively. I just want to base my thoughts on upcoming episodes ONLY on the current episodes that have aired and the 20 second preview for the next episode. That is all. Thank you.
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dreamssincerity: Damon; Existential crisis ♥dreamssincerity on January 24th, 2014 08:19 pm (UTC)
While I agree with about 90% of this I don't agree with the Caroline thing at all. She was being a bad friend by gloating and memorizing DEs break-up. I hate how they write Caroline now which is sad as I used to love her.

And Klaroline I disagree with as I love the dynamic they have (even though I don't like Caroline at all at the moment). I like C when she's verbally sparring with K.

Lastly, Jenna dying was definitely not Stefan and Elena's fault. Let's not forget it was Katherine who lured her out pretending to be Elena on the phone and it was Klaus who actually turned her then killed her. I'd say it was more Katherine's fault that it happened at all. And it was Klaus' fault for killing her.

Otherwise I basically agree with everything you said and I think your recaps/reviews are awesome :)
Arabian: Elena05arabian on January 26th, 2014 06:49 am (UTC)
While I agree with about 90% of this I don't agree with the Caroline thing at all. She was being a bad friend by gloating and memorizing DEs break-up. I hate how they write Caroline now which is sad as I used to love her.

I honestly thought she was the firs time I watched it too, I really did. But when I went back and watched it, she wasn't gloating. Yes, she wasn't upset that Elena and Damon broke up, she wasn't gloating and she was very clearly sympathetic for Elena and trying to make her feel better. Her smiles were designed to make Elena smile and feel better and she was genuinely trying to be a good friend, even when reciting the speech. She was trying to point out that it was for the best, even Damon thought so. I really did think she was being the worst friend when I first watched it. My original write-up of the moment had me disowning Caroline, but rewatching it, I completely rewrote it. She was being a good friend.

And Klaroline I disagree with as I love the dynamic they have (even though I don't like Caroline at all at the moment). I like C when she's verbally sparring with K.

Yeah, even when Caroline annoys me, Stefan is the only one I can stand with her as they're my OTP. So I get the couple thing overcoming annoyance, but K/C don't do it for me, so we have to agree to disagree on that.

Lastly, Jenna dying was definitely not Stefan and Elena's fault. Let's not forget it was Katherine who lured her out pretending to be Elena on the phone and it was Klaus who actually turned her then killed her. I'd say it was more Katherine's fault that it happened at all. And it was Klaus' fault for killing her.

It was their fault because they left her alone in the mansion, unprotected to go look at waterfalls while all of this crazy stuff was about to happen. All alone. So, yeah, I blame them. I will always blame Elena and Stefan for Jenna's death. She should never have been left alone, not that day of all days. She just found out about vampires and all this crazy and they just left her alone, unprotected. Technically it was Katherine's and Klaus' fault, yeah, but Stefan and Elena left her alone, vulnerable and unprotected with all of this crazy going on to go and look at fucking waterfalls. It's on them. I will always blame them. I won't deny that maybe I'm being unrational, but waterfalls? FUCKING WATERFALLS!

Otherwise I basically agree with everything you said and I think your recaps/reviews are awesome :)

Thank you. :D I really appreciate that. :)
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jairem08jairem08 on January 24th, 2014 08:50 pm (UTC)
Well that was interesting. Agree, total lack of Delena. I was holding breath till last moment. Specially after Damon/ Stefan interaction I thought that he was going to her. But the second I saw Elena with Katherine it clicked. I totally called it. The predictable happened. Now lot of shit can hit the fan. Elena totally focusing on Stefan, disregarding and "torturing" Damon, punishing him, taunting him with Stefan... But I wouldn't want to believe that no one would notice something odd about Elena's behaviour. Unless Katherine plays it "well" and deceives them. But then there is her body that is dead and he spirit in Elena's. Bonnie should see everyone that dies and crosses over (not sure if it applies to humans?) - if she knows that Katherine died but cannot see her on the other side shouldn't it be a flashing bulb? Matt knows about the transport of the soul and has the knife. Damon surely will have to be puzzled with her new attitude though with his self hate I might be wrong. But even Stefan will surely notice and wonder about Elena's sudden new persona. Just cannot imagine that this will go unnoticed. Also where will Katherine go once she is out of Elena's body? If there is future and story for Stefan/Katherine - where is she going to end up? My mind is spinning. I do hope that this is new spin and build up for Delena as I cannot imagine this is it for us. No ways. This is just a new curveball. They are it and this is part of their journey. Even Stefan is seeing it now. Though is saintly portrayal bugged the hell out of me still at least he acknowledgment of Damon and Elena was a blow of fresh air. It actually surprised me how nice he was about it. But now I think the writers were laying it thick knowing what they planned with the Katherine/Elena plot. Stefan finally getting over Elena, having feelings for Katherine and boom here is Elena/Katherine all after him again. Which I'm sure will be. And Katherine still managed to be the bad person taking over Elena's body by force after heartfelt good buy with Nadia, he deserving to die after what she did - bleah - she is just bad and now she will mess with Damon and Elena. The only think that keeps me calm and collected is that we know it won't be Elena. Will Elena by surprised completely or will she be able to push through Katherine? Matt could function as himself with Gregor. He only pushed trough occasionally. If that was intentional I don't know. Klaroline - complete fan service - totally don't care. They just don't do it for me. Matt/Jeremy/Damon - anytime anywhere under any circumstance. Loved their scenes together. Elena is definitely broken but does put up a front. I don't know but all the old characters seemed to be sort of there just for the sake of 100th episode. Didn't really make sense to me other than the demise of Katherine and they had the reason to put them for all the memories and what Katherine did to most of them... I'm starting to rumble. I do not follow any spoilers and synopses (not anymore) so will hope this is only a way up for DE though a very bumpy one and this is the way the writers are building all up Or I got it wrong and the writers just don't care much about DE but that I think is absurd. I will still remain positive and look forward to next episode.
Thank you for your review. Let's all hope that eventually we will get more DE and more DE loving and at least one full decent uninterrupted love scene - please writers? We need some Delena loving and lots off Damon like seriously. (at least half naked : )/
Arabian: Damon14arabian on January 26th, 2014 06:59 am (UTC)
Well that was interesting. Agree, total lack of Delena. I was holding breath till last moment. Specially after Damon/ Stefan interaction I thought that he was going to her. But the second I saw Elena with Katherine it clicked.

Yup, I kept hoping we would get some BIG Damon/Elena moment, but as soon as it went to Katherine/Elena at the end, I was like 'Oh, Lord, they're actually going there... the totally predictable route and ZERO Damon/Elena.'

I don't know that Katherine will be that obvious, and I'm kinda hoping that she'll still find herself attracted to Matt and if she's hitting on him a bit, he might find himself drawn to her what with his Elena-history and hey, I'm all about Matt and Katherine these days, LOL! As for Bonnie not seeing her, well, she wasn't sure what would happen, and since she saw her, but she didn't cross to her, maybe they figure that because of the odd circumstances she won't pass through Bonnie.

Just cannot imagine that this will go unnoticed.

I don't think it will, I'm not expecting the obvious will happen with this. But who knows? Stefan is very good at convincing himself what he wants to believe. And if Stefan believes it's Elena and takes her back, Damon would walk away and wouldn't spend time with her, thus wouldn't see her so wouldn't see it isn't her. Bonnie would be caught up in Jeremy and her stuff to maybe not notice. Caroline would probably prefer THIS version of Elena (with Stefan, more fun), and see what I said above about Matt. And Jeremy won't see Elena that much cuz she'll be at college. So who knows?

Also where will Katherine go once she is out of Elena's body?

The travellers and Nadia want Katherine's body per the preview for next week, maybe that has something to do with it. Right now, her hair is really the only change in her apperance, so... again, who knows?

This is totally just an obstacle for Damon/Elena, of that I have no doubt.

The only think that keeps me calm and collected is that we know it won't be Elena.

Yuppers. So who cares what happens with "Elena" and Stefan? It's not "Elena," it's Katherine.

Will Elena by surprised completely or will she be able to push through Katherine? Matt could function as himself with Gregor

Very good question. Or will she just black-out? Will it be Katherine mostly? Hmmm...
Florencia: DE (Our Life)florencia7 on January 25th, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
Even though I did like the episode anyway, you still made me feel SO MUCH BETTER about it! I love love loooooooooooooove reading your thoughts ♥ ♥ ♥ Thank you so much for sharing them. Watching the show would've truly been not as fun & great without your analyses.

“the Saint Stefan vs. the Demon Damon dichotomy at play” - I was shocked with myself, but as glaringly black&white as it seemed to be, I didn't have such a big problem with it. I don't think the writers are oblivious to the way in which THEY wrote Stefan and Damon and their respective flaws. For some reason this episode felt to me, like there was some kind of a weird cathartic vibe to it, like the writers were showing us what they believe is the defining difference between Damon and Stefan that shouldn't get lost in between all the good & bad things they both have done. And I think this difference is Stefan's ability to let go if the circumstances call for it – and Damon's inability to truly let go of anything ever (not of bitterness toward Katherine, not of revenge toward the Whitmores, not of love for Elena – that's why by the end of the episode he's already talking about winning her back, even if HE broke up with her hours before). And I don't think the episode campaigned for us to see that Stefan's way is the right way. If that was the case, Katherine would have died.

I think that the juxtaposition of Damon making Katherine's memory worse and Stefan making it better drove home not the Saint Stefan/Demon Damon dichotomy, but rather the dichotomy of two philosophies: self-hatred stemming from owning one's flaws to drastic extremes and self-acceptance stemming from excusing or even ignoring, “erasing” bad things (I really liked the disappearing blood stains in the Katherine/Stefan scene. It was SUCH a perfect way of showing how Stefan operates. Instead of dealing with problems, he chooses to pretend they aren't there. He chooses interpretation over reality.)

Of course it wasn't Katherine's “fault” per se that Klaus slaughtered her family – but similarly to the strange workings of Stefan's mind when it comes to looking at things, the workings of Damon's mind are just as strange, only in a different way. Stefan tends to blame himself less whereas Damon tends to blame himself more than he should. By the same token, he tells Katherine that the deaths of her loved ones were her fault not out of cruelty to make her feel guilty for something that he knows wasn't her fault. But rather because were it him, he would've blamed himself for it.

Even in his scene with Liz in which Damon “blames” Katherine for ruining him (I liked how this corresponded to Damon not wanting to ruin Elena; and also to the general “vicious circle” of abuse idea), he doesn't blame her in a way that makes her responsible for his actions. She might have triggered some bad things, but he was still the one who committed them and he acknowledges that he can't take any of them back.

I think that's also why he later talks about “winning Elena back”. Because he thinks that he has to prove that he's changed all over again, since killing Aaron's aunt kind of “ruined” what he has accomplished, in Elena's eyes, in the last two years.

“Secondly, and this was really, really frustrating, was Damon saying that him ending things with Elena was his ONE SELFLESS ACT. ONE?!??” - Yeah, this line literally left me with my mouth agape lol However! It was Damon who said it – and Damon doesn't dwell on the good things that he does. He dwells on the bad. And since Stefan is not aware of most of the good things, he kept silent, and that's how we got that scene *sigh*

“Why on earth would the show choose to center their 100th episode around a recurring character?” - I guess they wanted to find a way to bring all the ghosts back ;) Plus no one is as connected, this way or another, to everyone on the show as Katherine.

”And Damon who is—not even arguably, he is indisputably—the show's most popular character had a smaller role than Katherine, Elena and Stefan.” - Regardless of what I said above THAT was still VERY annoying :[
Arabian: Damon & Elena33arabian on January 26th, 2014 07:25 am (UTC)
And thank you for your comments, you've helped to inspire me to write a "Take Two" post with some of your thoughts! Ah hah!

For some reason this episode felt to me, like there was some kind of a weird cathartic vibe to it, like the writers were showing us what they believe is the defining difference between Damon and Stefan that shouldn't get lost in between all the good & bad things they both have done. And I think this difference is Stefan's ability to let go if the circumstances call for it – and Damon's inability to truly let go of anything ever (not of bitterness toward Katherine, not of revenge toward the Whitmores, not of love for Elena – that's why by the end of the episode he's already talking about winning her back, even if HE broke up with her hours before). And I don't think the episode campaigned for us to see that Stefan's way is the right way. If that was the case, Katherine would have died.

I just had to keep this whole paragraph because it was really beautifully written and I'll probably quote the whole dang thign in my second post about the episode. And I think you're right.

it better drove home not the Saint Stefan/Demon Damon dichotomy, but rather the dichotomy of two philosophies: self-hatred stemming from owning one's flaws to drastic extremes and self-acceptance stemming from excusing or even ignoring, “erasing” bad things (I really liked the disappearing blood stains in the Katherine/Stefan scene. It was SUCH a perfect way of showing how Stefan operates. Instead of dealing with problems, he chooses to pretend they aren't there. He chooses interpretation over reality.)

I can't believe I missed that, but you're absolutely right. Of course! Stefan, he who buries his head in the sand--which completely relates to Elena (and I can't believe YOU missed that!--she who buries her head in the sand). He just pretends it doesn't exist anymore, makes it all go away. Just like Elena does. It's bad, it hurts, so she just buries it in the sand and that will make the pain go away. That's what she was doing in her earlier scene when talking to Bonnie and Caroline. TOTALLY, 100% in character for Elena. (And why those two are so freaking awful for one another.)

But rather because were it him, he would've blamed himself for it.

Yup.

the general “vicious circle” of abuse idea

OMG! This is so brilliant! Taking it a step further. I know that the vampire diaries does NOT do the vampire-sire/children thing (and I'm so glad they don't), but in a way we can look at it that way in that Katherine made Damon so she "taught" him how to be a vampire. We specifically know that and so Damon would blame her for teaching him to be so bad because she's so bad. And likewise, Damon was teaching Elena to be a vampire, and therefore he was teaching her to be bad and that's something he doesn't want to happen. So it is like that cycle of abuse passed down from parent to child. As far as I can recall, the only vampire to sire teaching-learning from that's actually stuck that we ever have saw on the show was Katherine-to-Damon, and Damon-to-Elena, so this does tie in. And, yes, I'm totally using this for my "Take Two" post. (But hopefully more coherently written, LOL!)

I think that's also why he later talks about “winning Elena back”. Because he thinks that he has to prove that he's changed all over again, since killing Aaron's aunt kind of “ruined” what he has accomplished, in Elena's eyes, in the last two years.

Yup, yup, yup, you're right about that too. Makes so much sense. Damn, girl, you were on it!

However! It was Damon who said it – and Damon doesn't dwell on the good things that he does. He dwells on the bad. And since Stefan is not aware of most of the good things, he kept silent, and that's how we got that scene *sigh*

And again.... you are absolutely right!

Plus no one is as connected, this way or another, to everyone on the show as Katherine.

And here I disagree. Not true. Of the main characters, Matt is more connected to everyone and better than Katherine. Then Elena is, and then Damon is. And all three are better connected than Katherine is. You just don't center a freaking 100th episode around a recurring character. Just, no.
Florencia: DE (I Refuse to Change You)florencia7 on January 25th, 2014 02:38 am (UTC)
[part 2]

Speaking of annoying things, the only other thing that annoyed me a lot was how complacent Elena was about the break-up at the beginning of the ep. “If Damon makes up his mind about something” and all that. REALLY?! That's how you react to the break-up with someone you LOVE, the break-up that happened ONLY because the other person LOVES YOU??? I just found it odd. But that was just odd. The worse part came later. Are we supposed to infer that THE ONLY reason why Elena isn't going to accept the break-up is that Stefan convinced her not to??? I'm sorry about the capslock but I AM DISTURBED BY THAT lol

“And then it gets even better! In the 100th episode, there were plenty of Stefan and Elena scenes and wait for it… zero one-on-one Damon and Elena scenes” - Yeah, given the break-up circumstances I wouldn't mind it IF it wasn't the 100th episode. It just felt wrong. I hope there is no underlying significance to that...

”and excuse me a moment while I squee and flail in joy that Damon had Matt and Jeremy as his bros sorta there for him post-break-up” haha Yes, who would've thought we'd live to see the day?! ;D

”I loved the fact that they went out of their way to create these parallels here between Damon and Elena and their respective threesome buddies (*sigh* Damon/Jeremy/Matt! SQUEE! *sigh*) to show that this is your couple, this is your root-for-OTP.” - I do think that considering that it was the 100th episode these opening scenes were the next best thing to having some actual DE interaction.

”However, then her phone rings and she obviously thinks it Damon and clearly very much hopes it's Damon despite her "strong" Elena face she's got going.” - I loved this little moment there & that's what “saved” the scene for me, because it showed that Elena's resolve and Elena's feelings are two different things. I also think that maybe in her later scene with Stefan she was *letting him* be the hero once again, letting him think that HE was convincing her while she wouldn't have given up anyway. At least I hope so ^^

”And while I found it terribly annoying that she needed Stefan to point out Damon was pushing her away because he hates himself” - I agree with everything you've said & yes, it probably, in the end, all makes sense & it's not OOC at all, however, I do think that Julie & Caroline might have been a bit tired while writing this episode lol Because all possible excuses aside, Elena knows & understands that Damon is pushing her away because he hates himself better than anyone else. She TOLD HIM & us just that OUT LOUD in 4x13 *eye-roll*

“Speaking of… Katherine in Elena's body. What a shock. Uhm, not.” - For a moment there I was thinking they would make Elena pregnant and give birth to Katherine, so I guess Katherine in Elena's body is still a better storyline LOL! Also, I kind of like that Katherine's redemption arc got dumped once again. I also liked the “you were only a 17-year-old girl” sentiment & I'm all for sympathizing with Katherine for having her daughter ripped away from her & losing her entire family, however I liked even more how the show makes a point of showing that she is repeatedly CHOOSING to do the wrong thing. And that's one of the things that makes her so different from Damon.
Arabian: Damon&Katherine03arabian on January 26th, 2014 07:49 am (UTC)
Speaking of annoying things, the only other thing that annoyed me a lot was how complacent Elena was about the break-up at the beginning of the ep.

Well, as I said--that was the same thing you pointed out about Stefan, how she deals with something. Or rather how she acts when Elena can't deal with something, she buries her head and tries to pretend it's not there. That's what she's doing. She's an idiot.

Are we supposed to infer that THE ONLY reason why Elena isn't going to accept the break-up is that Stefan convinced her not to??? I'm sorry about the capslock but I AM DISTURBED BY THAT lol

But it makes sense because before it was always Stefan who buried his head in the sand right alongside her. Elena needs someone to prod her out of her bury-her-head-in-the-sand mindset. Bonnie and Caroline as her BFFS have a job to do and that's to support her and go along with whatever she wants right now, but she needs someone to prod her and say you're being an idiot. Normally, this would be Damon's job, but because of the situation, Damon can't really do it. So given a bit more time, Matt probably would have done the duty, but Stefan had the first opportunity. It makes sense. She just needed the prodding. (Going into "Take Two" post too. :D)

It just felt wrong. I hope there is no underlying significance to that...

Julie Plec is an idiot. I think she's talented, I do, but I seriously believe she just doesn't get stuff like this, the importance of it to fans and what it means. I don't think it means anything with regards to what you mean.

I also think that maybe in her later scene with Stefan she was *letting him* be the hero once again, letting him think that HE was convincing her while she wouldn't have given up anyway. At least I hope so ^^

Nah, I don't think so at all. (God, that would be awful! Why would you want her to let Stefan be her hero? UGH!) I really think that Elena just needs that damn push because, well, she is still only 18.

I do think that Julie & Caroline might have been a bit tired while writing this episode lol Because all possible excuses aside, Elena knows & understands that Damon is pushing her away because he hates himself better than anyone else. She TOLD HIM & us just that OUT LOUD in 4x13 *eye-roll*

I feel better about it all because, yeah, saying something, knowing something intellectually and actually being confronted and dumped because of it are two completely different things... especially after you've been together for months happily as a couple.

however I liked even more how the show makes a point of showing that she is repeatedly CHOOSING to do the wrong thing. And that's one of the things that makes her so different from Damon.

Good point. And we also saw that once again, Damon was right about Katherine. Uh huh.
Florencia: DE (5x03)florencia7 on January 25th, 2014 02:38 am (UTC)
[part 3]

”Oh, and nice to know that Julie Plec values the continuity of The Originals more than The Vampire Diaries. Harrumph.” - Or maybe she just values Katherine/Stefan more than Katherine/Elijah ;) (And Elijah did say in the last episode of TO that he's only ever loved two women. One was Celeste and the second one wasn't named, but it's totally obvious whom he meant ;)

”sorry, K/C shippers. I know, I know, you're happy” - I have a feeling that hard-core KC shippers might not have been very happy with that scene, because it had that “OK, let's have it over with” fan-service-ish vibe to it. But since I ship KC in a calm way I did enjoy the scene ;D

”but, but, for me, pretty blondes smiling prettily at each other!” - I loved how genuinely utterly happy their smiles are in this scene!

”See, Damon, Liz loves you!” - I was SO happy that we got a Damon/Liz scene!

In a way, this episode nicely albeit subtly showed that pretty much *everyone* likes Damon. Jeremy and Matt were there for him. Alaric! ♥ Liz was only concerned with paperwork in case he decided to kill Katherine lol. Stefan was being a good brother and Caroline and Bonnie were, if not pro-Damon exactly, then at least they were not anti-Damon either.

”Imagine the horror of Olga Fonda attempting to portray the awesome that is Katherine Pierce.” - LOL

”Yeah, Matt totes loves Damon. Instead of blaming Damon for Vicki's death even though, he, you know, killed her” - Well, technically, Stefan killed her, but of course if we're not going to blame Damon for something bad, let's at least blame someone else than Stefan ;)

Here's hoping that Katherine will make Elena's body kill Tyler, you know, just for the kicks lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena33arabian on January 26th, 2014 10:41 am (UTC)
Or maybe she just values Katherine/Stefan more than Katherine/Elijah ;)

She can value K/S without crapping all over the K/E story that she created just to favor her other show that has completely screwed over the K/E story on TVD.

And Elijah did say in the last episode of TO that he's only ever loved two women. One was Celeste and the second one wasn't named, but it's totally obvious whom he meant ;)

If you watch TVD. I'm sorry, it doesn't work. The Haley thing was bad enough how it's crapped all over Katherine and Elijah, but the Celeste backstory completely now craps over the Katherine/Elijah backstory. UGH! UGH! UGH! I hate it so much.

I have a feeling that hard-core KC shippers might not have been very happy with that scene, because it had that “OK, let's have it over with” fan-service-ish vibe to it. But since I ship KC in a calm way I did enjoy the scene ;D

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't have sympathy. I mean, they've stayed so freaking true to Klaus and Caroline over on TO, taking their time to build bridges to something else with other characters and given them this even with the fact that Klaus is a main character on that show and Caroline is a main character on TVD, meanwhile they've completely screwed over my two couples to set up romances with other characters. So, yeah, no sympathy from me. {pouts angrily}

Well, technically, Stefan killed her, but of course if we're not going to blame Damon for something bad, let's at least blame someone else than Stefan ;)

No, they both killed her. I mean, Damon killed her. She was alive, and he killed her. He made her a vampire, but he killed her dead first. Stefan killed her undead self. Damon killed her alive self. They both killed her.

Here's hoping that Katherine will make Elena's body kill Tyler, you know, just for the kicks lol

That fucker's gonna be the last character standing.
tj2013tj2013 on January 26th, 2014 10:53 am (UTC)
I totally loved your analysis (I was cheering on Friday when you put it up so early!!!!!) and esp the discussion going on in the comments. I have nothing new to add, simply another parallel (although I don't really care for Klaroline): they started making out in the woods in 4x01 - so this time they finished in the woods... LOL.
Oh, and one thing I liked: Damon has now told the two most important people in his life what Elena means to him: To Elena "You are my life" and to Stefan "I can't live without her." Aside from that: slightly underwhelming episode, and I am hoping for more DE-interaction in the next eps. Somehow Elena has to "get through".
Arabian: Damon02arabian on January 26th, 2014 11:39 am (UTC)
Well, I just put up take two of the episode write-up. Yeah, good comments, I agree. I love when I get those. :D

Yeah, good parallels, I guess. I just, ugh, stupid K/C. I have just issues, stupid favoritism for them while my ships (M/R and K/E are screwed over.) {pouts}

Damon has now told the two most important people in his life what Elena means to him: To Elena "You are my life" and to Stefan "I can't live without her."

Awww. Nice.

Aside from that: slightly underwhelming episode, and I am hoping for more DE-interaction in the next eps

I'm not holding my breath. I'll just be happy with what I get at this point, LOL! I agree though, Elena's got to get through eventually. I'm just hoping for a good bunch of D/E stuff towards the end of the season at this point. *sigh*
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Kissfaith5by5_1013 on January 29th, 2014 12:05 am (UTC)
I understand your frustration with the whole Demon Damon thing. I think, for me, it's not who he is, but who he sees himself as. I would really appreciate if the other characters pointed out that it's not who he is, but I can accept him saying all those horrible things about himself.

I definitely agree with your frustration over the lack of Damon/Elena in this episode and in this season in general. It feels like we've gotten far more scenes with them by this point in past seasons. I could be wrong about that, but it's certainly how it feels to me.

- Speaking of ugh. Fucking Tyler. Why can't I have nice things? Like my favorite show without Tyler Lockwood? Ugh, ugh, ugh!

I know! Why won't they just get rid of him already?
Arabian: Damon & Elena04arabian on February 3rd, 2014 04:45 am (UTC)
I would really appreciate if the other characters pointed out that it's not who he is, but I can accept him saying all those horrible things about himself.

Yup, you're right and the former REALLY does need to start happening. It REALLY, REALLY does.

I definitely agree with your frustration over the lack of Damon/Elena in this episode and in this season in general. It feels like we've gotten far more scenes with them by this point in past seasons. I could be wrong about that, but it's certainly how it feels to me.

Other than season 02, we have. I just don't get what they were thinking, I really don't. I can only reason that we're going to either get a make-up for this towards the end of the season, a crapload next season and they knew this and this was an easing for the S/E fans because they know it's pretty much DUNZO for S/E fans period, so they didn't want to give a full-on bounty to D/E fans knowing that S/E fans were not ever going to get anything real ever again. :shrugs:

Why won't they just get rid of him already?

*sigh*
Alisha: GG Jess/Rorykalishaka on October 15th, 2014 03:31 pm (UTC)
So, I had some issues with this episode, but they were not your initial issues with this episode. Which is just amusing to me.

I honestly did not read the 'Damon is evil' and 'Stefan is good' attempt. I mean I know why you saw it, I can follow the reasoning, but for me this episode was far more about comparing Damon to Katherine and in some ways Elena to Stefan. Damon was taking out his own guilt and fears and demons out on Katherine...because for so long she was all he wanted and essentially who he shaped himself into becoming. While in her brain, he showed her how he would have seen himself. And it is through Damon, not Stefan, that the audience is allowed a way to sympathize with Katherine. We have seen a character who hides their pain behind a cocky, confident exterior. We have seen two characters have their real first meeting, driven by fate, and how that changes and alters the person behind that confidant exterior. And by the end, I feel like we are meant to realize something even more important, Damon and Katherine are not alike at all.

Stefan and Elena are both shown to see the good in people, even when they shouldn't. (While it's questionable on Stefan's part long term, I'm going to go with what this episode was trying to showcase.) Stefan just does not give up on Damon. Much like Elena never gives up on anyone. Stefan feels there is something in Damon that was always worth saving...and he was right. So, he also tries to see that in Katherine, because she reaches out to him, she seems like there might be something better in her when she is around him. And where he gives that benefit of the doubt to Katherine, Elena feels like she owes her that as well. And this is where Damon's warning comes back to haunt her, despite it being a manifestation of Damon's own guilt, Elena's willingness to believe in the goodness of everyone is her own downfall in this moment. Her faith in Damon was not misplaced, but what she puts into Katherine is.

I don't know. Overall I took it more as "This is where the characters think they are...but this is where they really are" type thing. I enjoyed it.

I also didn't really mind the Katherine focus of the episode since this is essentially the start of her final end, and because in reality this episode was not about moving forward or the future of the story, that which lies in the three main characters, but rather about a step back, in many ways a glimpse of that which came before and now has to be moved past.

On the flip side, I thought this episode was rather boring because of that. It felt like a rehash of feelings and events that the characters, the audience, and the show have already moved past. As much as I loved seeing everyone again, it was clearly fan service and it was not really where I wanted my fan service. Worse...I just do not even want to mess with this Katherine/Elena thing AGAIN...and they brought Tyler back. It feels like I am being punished.