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02 November 2013 @ 09:11 am
5.05 - 'Monster Ball' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So another Thursday, another Vampire Diaries. Whee!!! Sorry, I didn't get this up last night, I just was not feeling up to writing it and a few weeks ago I pushed myself to write the review when I didn't feel like it and I wound up writing a confusing jumble here and there and forgetting things, so I waited until I was in a better frame of mind this time.

One of the things that I liked about this episode was how the Damon/Elena relationship was handled. Even though we didn't see them very much together, what we did see showed them—at this point—doing things right for the most part. Yes, Elena and Damon were both avoiding each other, but by episode's end they had both told each other exactly what the other had been up to. And when Damon caught her actively ignoring him, he didn't get upset with her or guilt her for ditching his calls, he pointed it out that it'd been happening and she responded in kind because he'd been doing the same thing to her. Plus, they were cute about it in the whole non-guilting department.

 

Of course, later on when Elena dodged his attempts to just take a breather and relax at the dance, Damon took a time out from the scheming to ask her what was wrong… and she told him. There was no 'I'm fine.' She told him the truth, and he didn't get upset, he understood where she was coming from and tried to face her issue head on and deal with ut. In other words, they didn't ignore things, they dealt with it, didn't bury their heads in the sand and pretend that everything was fine, and Damon didn't guilt her about anything. And again the whole stuff when she first showed up was really cute, the curtsy and the hair-brushing and the smiles, and then, yeah, of course, there was the issue-dealing. Yes, yes, a dance would have been nice, but the issue-dealing is very good.

 

Now did they handle things perfectly? No. Because the whole avoiding for three days since Bonnie died and Elena keeping things bottled up and turning to her diary—a product of how she handled things in the past—is not the answer, and Damon going solo in coming up with plans to save the day without including Elena is not the answer either. But at least they included each other sooner rather than later. They just need to get to that sooner much sooner rather than later. But the sooner this time was pretty durn soon at least.

Still, Damon is a much better boyfriend than Tyler Lockwood. *sigh* Yeah, so he basically came back to Mystic Falls to tell Caroline that he wants to go after Klaus even though she doesn't want him to, but he figured that he'd sex Caroline up for four days before telling her so. Lovely. And you're not gonna tell me that it was only the last day that Caroline was going on about the classes she signed him up for, and the room she got him and the wonderful college adventures they would have. So yeah, Tyler basically knew for four days that he was going to ditch her AGAIN, but figured, eh, I'll keep on getting the sex until she finally pushes me to admit that I'm not doing the whole college thing.

Tyler made me realize something this episode. There are many reasons why I love the character of Damon Salvatore. One of them is that he is the only main male character on the show who has never made me utter or even think the words 'what a douchebag!' while watching. Every other one—Stefan, Matt, Jeremy, Tyler, Klaus, even Alaric, have held that distinction… never Damon. Tyler once again snagged that honor tonight. After spending the last four days sexing Caroline up, and then walking away from her pleading, crying face to go and live out his alpha-male fantasies (OK, fine, whatever, avenge Carol—dude, whatever, he's living out his alpha-male fantasies!), I thought … 'what a douchebag!' Please, oh, please, please, pretty, pretty, pretty please… can he just for the love of all that is holy in the universe STAY THE EXPLETIVE DELETED AWAY this time?! Please! And then whatever is gonna happen with Caroline and Jesse (cuz, yeah, something is totally gonna happen there I'm thinking) will happen before horror and heartbreak follows arranged by the lovely and mysterious Dr. Maxfield. And THEN we'll get Stefan and Caroline.

Because we're TOTALLY gonna get Stefan and Caroline. We didn't get much with them this episode, but I did like the little bit we got with them. The little bits… Elena commenting that Caroline is the only one that Stefan had spent any time with. Caroline able to get Stefan to wear a "costume" to the Ball. The little bit of the dance we saw (sigh, yes, so would have liked to see more), the fact that the trend continues with Stefan having no problem asking Caroline to dance. It's just the little things right now, but they are slowly building. Whee!

Also filling me with whee! was my favorite scene of the episode which was the Damon/Jeremy/Bonnie scene. Man, that cracked me up. Damon, all acting like he doesn't care that Jeremy was brought back when we know he lurves Jeremy and of course the running theme in the episode of him using the excuse of doing this only for Elena when we all know Damon wants his witch back (silly Damon). The whole Damon's RIP bit, Jeremy's 'oh, yeah, she's here,' Bonnie's wave, and Damon's "whatever" followed by Bonnie's disgruntled look… HI-larious.

 

And the whole thing just kept going with Damon calmly carrying on the conversation knowing Bonnie was there, waiting for Jeremy to speak for her and then casually reminding them that he couldn't hear her. I was laughing with delight. Such great comic timing, Ian Somerhalder so rocks in that department. Then, the best part with Jeremy just saying whatever he wanted because, hey, it's not like anyone else can hear what Bonnie actually said!

And I liked that Damon was completely upfront about the fact that he was doing this without letting Elena know until it worked. He didn't sugarcoat it at all… and Jeremy was fine with that. The two of them together are pretty much as bad as Damon and Elena together when it comes to "protecting" Jeremy. Damon is clearly just going to do whatever he thinks is best for Jeremy and/or Elena and side with whatever sibling he's working with at the time. Eventually, they are going to see this, and either love it or hate it, but both realize at heart they are so happy they have him in their corner for both siblings. The only one downside is that both Jeremy and Elena know that when it comes down to a choice, if it's between the two, Damon will always choose doing what makes Elena happy as long as Elena's life isn't on the line.

And her happiness was definitely the choice here between that or Katherine's life… and Damon chose Elena's happiness (and Bonnie's life). So, yeah, anyone who was still under the delusion that Damon was not over Katherine and still harbored tender feelings of love for her, yeah, this should finally have disabused them of that notion. Because, yeah, he done killed her. Or would have if Katherine was capable of dying. More on that later.

I was pretty happy that not only did Damon kill her, but that Elena was there to witness it like that. I've always said that whoever kills Katherine, I want it to be Damon, if not him, then Elena because I feel that those are the two that we know she's hurt the most. So to see Damon be the one who killed her was karmically-speaking satisfying. And to see Elena stand there and not make even the slightest gesture to stop Damon, knowing that she could have stopped Damon and she did not make even one, single sound, move, gesture to stop him, was just about as karmically-speaking satisfying. And then how she died.

Boy, oh, boy… how she died! Almost mirroring perfectly, how Jeremy died (the last, *real* time). To get the cure, Bonnie watching Katherine holding Jeremy down while Silas feeds and then Silas' hand reaching up to keep him in place and then Jeremy falling down to his death. Here, it's Elena watching Damon holding Katherine down while Silas feeds and then Silas' hand reaching up to keep her in place and then Katherine falling down to her death.

Masterful.

But of course, Katherine isn't dead. Nope, her heart is beating away. So, hmm, what happened? I'm thinking it's got to have something to do with that cure… and if that's the case doesn't it mean that Quetsiyah's whole cure thing had something a little hinky going on then, huh? Well, hopefully we'll find out next week. Whatever it is, color me intrigued and quite relieved that Miss Katherine is not dead.

I mean it would have sucked had she died right after reuniting with her daughter! First of all, little whining complaint out of the way. *sigh* Now I really, really wish they'd cast a different actress as Nadia knowing that she's Nadia Petrova. *double sigh* I mean, I did actually like her best in that reveal scene with Katherine, and when she smiled at Katherine in that last scene, but still in four episodes, she hasn't really impressed me at all… and she's a freaking Petrova! As soon as she began to describe her mother's real death I knew who she was and I was all *ooh!* because, you know, *ooh!* that was a cool, unexpected twist! And hopefully now that the character isn't just mysterious, sexy Traveler girl, I'll like her better? I hope so. Because SO COOL!

And, you go, Matt! Romancing your way through the "living" Petrova line. My inexplicable Matt/Katherine shipping might have some staying power now and another leaf to add to the family tree! Oh, speaking of, excuse me while I laugh at the silly Stefan/Elena fans who are all sighing and fan-girling over the line from Silas about a girl never forgetting her first love being some epic sign from the writers about the everlasting twu wuv of Stefan and Elena. Uhm, hello, Matt was Elena's first love. Duh! But wah! to no Matty this week. That gave me a sad. :(

What did not give me a sad is that I thought this was Paul Wesley's best portrayal of Silas so far. Silas felt more like a real character and less like a more boring version of Ripper!Stefan. So that was good. I liked how he was mind-fucking Quetsiyah because he was an ass, but he was also charming in a silky, creepy way that was only creepy because I knew he was mind-fucking her. He also came across as smarter than others, but not in a smug-stupid way where he thinks he's smarter, but really he's not, but where he is smarter and he doesn't act like a frat boy who has to act like he's smarter because he actually is. (If that makes sense.) He doesn't have to parade his smarts, because he knows he is, so he's confident in his cleverness. Paul just seemed much more confident and comfortable in his portrayal of Silas this episode, it was much less studied and actorly, I guess. So kudos to him this time around.

Which is good because Janina Gavankar continues to kick ass in the acting department as Quetsiyah. Man, she is just awesome. That scene where she desiccated Silas, right afterwards, the look on her face, the stillness of her body… it was like her entire form radiated this centuries old relief filled with a mix of love and ache, it was arresting to behold. She is so, so good.

Not quite as good, but still interesting and intriguing is this whole Whitmore thing. I mean, really, what is going on? Dr. Maxfield and his freaky experimenting on poor Jesse. Torturing him by not letting him transition, warning Elena and her friends to leave and letting her know that she and her friends are being watched. And then there's this Aaron kid. We know he's some kind of ward of sorts to Dr. Maxfield, but what is his relationship to Megan? And we still don't know her relationship to Elena's dad? Did Grayson have some sort of second family? Was Aaron part of it? Is he like Jeremy's biological brother, thus Elena's adopted brother? Or is he a cousin? Obviously there's some kind of connection with Elena what with the obvious parallel of his losing everyone in his life just like Elena. And he also has money, whether that's important or not, I don't know, but they made it a point of mentioning that he has a trust fund, so… I dunno.

It's all very intriguing, and on a character level, I do love how they *are* making this about character. I love that Elena is pursuing this not randomly because she wants to be all Nancy Drew-detective girl but because she can't let go of what happened to Bonnie, but Bonnie told her to let go, to go back to college and move on. So Elena went back to college, but she can't just move on… so she's not going to let another girl's death get ignored like she feels she ignored Bonnie's death.

This is a far cry from how the Elena from two years ago reacted to bad things happening. That Elena buried her head in the sand and tried to act normal, aided and pushed to do so by Stefan who had the same philosophy. This Elena is pro-active and attempts to do something—the same attitude that Damon has and one that fits Elena better. I like.

Phew… OK, just a few randoms

- So hmm, what's the mystical anchor, I wonder.

- Erm, I suppose I was supposed to be upset and boo-hoo sad about the Caroline/Tyler break-up? I wasn't. Like at all. Didn't feel a little bit of angst at all, even as Caroline was crying. I just thought, 'oh, thank God.' Hopefully when she said they were done if he took another step, she meant it, so when he took another step, they are done for good! Pretty, pretty please.

- Uhm, the costume ball was kinda pointless wasn't it?

- Nice to know that Damon is annoyed with Stefan enough that he takes pleasure from breaking his neck every now and then. Not surprising. Also not surprising is that Stefan—even in an amnesiac state—assumes that Damon is only doing what he is to prove he's a worthy boyfriend. Oh, Stefan, boo, that's not how Damon's mind works. That's your deal. You care about perception. Damon cares that Elena is happy, and getting her best friend back will make Elena happy. That is why Damon is doing this. (And, psst!, he wants his witch back, but he won't admit that.)

- Aww, it was a sweet, or rather bittersweet since they were fighting, moment between Bonnie and Jeremy when he basically said, uhm, I lied to Damon because I want you alive. I want to touch you, Bonnie!

- What's a Traveler, damnit?

- OK, sure one of them actually did dance, but since we saw about as much of that as the couple that didn't dance, just putting the gifs side by side. :)

 

- I have got to hand it to Nina Dobrev again. About halfway through the episode I remember thinking, 'wow, Nina isn't in this episode much,' because we just hadn't seen Elena as much as we normally do and then we had a Katherine/Nadia scene and it was about half-way through that I was like 'duh! Nina plays Katherine too!' I'm just so used to thinking of Nina as Elena and she so perfectly separates the characters that, yeah, I just once again forgot the same actress plays both characters.

Which brings us to that final scene once more which really was awesome. Katherine, Elena (both played brilliantly by Nina) and Damon (played with regret, because he did love Katherine, and determination, because he loves Elena more, brilliantly by Ian Somerhalder) were so on target from beginning to end. There were the comparisons to the Jeremy/Silas death that I talked about earlier, but also how Elena was so annoyed—for lack of a better word—that Katherine survived and that overhead shot of Katherine falling to the floor was gorgeous. Finally the blurry shot of Damon and Elena side by side as Katherine came to followed by her “Am I in hell?” Just perfect.

 
 

Fantastic final scene to another great episode.
 
 
 
bangel_4e: delena3bangel_4e on November 2nd, 2013 01:45 pm (UTC)
Where do I begin?
From the obvious...Damon/Elena. I was actually cool with how they handled things. I really didn't like Elena avoiding Damon for 3 days, but I have to link it back to what Elena said..that she was having the best time of her life while Bonnie was dead and she should've known but she was so wrapped up in him. Now spending too much time with him makes her feel super guilty. And I totally get that, it's Psychology 101. I ain't worried. And not even Damon is, cause he totally got WHY she was avoiding him (even though that's not the perfect way to handle grief)...I admit I was a little annoyed at Elena's face when she said... "with you" at Damon, during the ball scene.

But what I actually truly liked what that, as you said, they told each other what was going on. Elena told him what she felt (thank God I haven't heard the words -i'm fine- -everything's gonna be fine- crap) & in the end they revealed their plans and worked together. Hence the Katherine scene. I'm happy for my couple being on the same page (Elena was FINE killing Katherine) but DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY KATHERINE! Of course she couldn't be really dead...honestly, Kat is so awesome they just can't kill her.
So...Damon and Elena will have hard times ahead...(now with this weird Aaron, I don't know) BUT I am totally sure they're the real deal.

Damon: ah, so Damon enjoys snapping Stefan's neck. Uhm. Well, I get Damon's plan. A little insensitive to his brother, maybe (he could've just told him) but it's not like he was in any real danger. Aside from that, I loved Damon in this episode. The understanding boyfriend with Elena, sarcastic & snarky with Jeremy/Bonnie..just a pleasure to watch. And Ian still continues to be freaking hot...my icon speaks for itself. lol

Elena: It's cool that she's doing her thing, reacting to Bonnie's death and trying to find a way to handle her pain. That's good and a great progress for her. I'm a little worried about this weird Aaron guy (so far, the actor hasn't impressed me either).

Katherine & daughter: Noooooo. Not her! My first thoughts when I found out Nadia was a Petrova, Kat's daughter. The actress is just really bad, I can't stand her...and I'm so sad cause she's supposed to be a Petrova, for God's sake. Plus, I fins her way too dramatic and a little weird in her behavior towards her mother. Finding her sooner? Was she waiting for Klaus to be gone? I don't know, many things have to be resolved. Even if I have to admit, she has some physical aspects very similar to Nina's.
Glad to know Katherine's still alive and I'd LOVE to know more about it. At first I thought she was a vampire again, with some help from her daughter, but why let Damon kill her then?

Part II coming soon.
Arabian: Damon14arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:13 am (UTC)
I was OK with Elena avoiding Damon because it was pretty obvious that Damon was kinda avoiding her too while he put his plan in motion to bring Bonnie back. And, yeah, she had her very obvious, understandable psychological reasons.

I admit I was a little annoyed at Elena's face when she said... "with you" at Damon, during the ball scene.

Really? Wow, I wasn't at all. To me, that was one of my favorite moments. It was just so telling. It kinda went back to what I said in 3.19.

"Can you imagine how honestly terrifying it would be to be on the receiving end of Damon's love? Right now, her non-admitted-recriprocation is all that has kept it at bay. But a Damon who gets that love in return, oh boy! It's going to be beyond any kind of intense she could ever imagine. It's TERRIFYING. Wonderful, crazy, awesome, beautiful ... but terrifying, because there is NO line that he won't cross to keep her safe. None. And he's wild, and impetuous, and crazy, and passionate and this is a girl who's never really experienced passion. She's scared out of her mind to get into something with him. "

Well, it's not quite there, but Elena is kinda on the reverse side of that now. She's so into Damon, she's so into him that she's consumed by him, loving him, so into him blindly that she didn't pick up on the fact that her best friend was dead, and that scares her. Not just that Damon loves like that, but that she could feel that way about him. It's kinda seeping slowly into her consciousness that she loves him just as wildly. It's kinda scary.

my icon speaks for itself. lol

Can I ask you how you do the animated gif icons? I just can't get them small in size enough to do them? Mine are too big and when I make them smaller in size, they lose all quality. It drives me crazy.

I'm a little worried about this weird Aaron guy (so far, the actor hasn't impressed me either).

I'm not worried, but that comes from not reading spoilers or spec. I do remember that people were speculating with crazy worried, negative speculation when he first came up (before I stopped reading that stuff) and honestly based on the episode, there's ZERO to worry about. It may change later, but I don't trust spoilers because they are designed to rile up the fanbases and what-not. One of the things I do is go back and read the episode descriptions after the episode airs. Here's what I mean about how ridiculous they are in retrospect: "Silas demands that Damon commit an unthinkable act..."

Seriously? Damon broke Stefan's neck a couple of times. Whatever. How many times have they done that to each other? Big deal. Blah, blah, blah. You just can't trust those things AT ALL. And then the fans go speculating like crazy and 9.99999% of the time go the ultra-negative route expecting the absolute worst. So that's why I'm ignoring it all and avoiding it all now. :)

Yeah, I'm not very happy about Olga Fonda playing a Petrova. Before I knew, as you know, I have not been impressed with the actress. My only hope is that I did like her better in the softer scenes with Katherine, so hopefully those will work better. One can dream.

At first I thought she was a vampire again, with some help from her daughter, but why let Damon kill her then?

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. Nadia could have given her some vamp blood. Well, she wouldn't have wanted Damon to give her blood because Katherine still doesn't know for sure if she can be turned back into a vampire with the cure in her.
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dancing till the world ends: tvd: object of our affectionslynnenne on November 2nd, 2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
Boy, oh, boy… how she died! Almost mirroring perfectly, how Jeremy died

HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS. You are absolutely correct and yet I completely missed it. D'oh!

I loved the reveal of Nadia being Katherine's daughter, even though it was completely telegraphed. Nina played it so beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of Olga Fonda, either, but I thought she stepped it up in those scenes.

Ian Somerhalder really does have excellent comic timing, doesn't he?
Arabian: Katherine04arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:26 am (UTC)
HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS. You are absolutely correct and yet I completely missed it. D'oh!

Wasn't that so freaking cool, though?! I mean, just awesome. I love this show and their parallels!

I loved the reveal of Nadia being Katherine's daughter, even though it was completely telegraphed. Nina played it so beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of Olga Fonda, either, but I thought she stepped it up in those scenes.

Ian Somerhalder really does have excellent comic timing, doesn't he?

He really does. When TVD is over, I'd love to see him get a romantic comedy. He'd be AMAZING in it.
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Carolinefaith5by5_1013 on November 2nd, 2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
You know I'm very much not a fan of Tyler and this episode only magnified my dislike of him. I'll probably be posting a huge thing about how horrible he is in my TVD post. And, yeah, I agree with you in all of your points about him. I really hope he'll stay away from now on. And, that, if he returns, Caroline is able to stay strong and refuse to give in to her inexplicable feelings for him.

I think you're very right that they're going to be giving the viewers Stefan/Caroline. You know I ship Klaus/Caroline, but I'm also very much capable of accepting when I'm not going to get what I want between them. And, as long as Stefan and Caroline are good for each other and he treats her well, I'll be okay with it. I may even start shipping it (but less than I ship Caroline/Klaus). I'm fully capable of shipping characters with more than one person, though I will probably always have a ship I want most. Anyway, my point is, as long as Caroline is happy and being treated well (because she is one of my very favorites), I'll be happy for her.

I love Damon and his putting Elena's happiness before everything else (except her life).

Nice to know that Damon is annoyed with Stefan enough that he takes pleasure from breaking his neck every now and then. Not surprising. Also not surprising is that Stefan—even in an amnesiac state—assumes that Damon is only doing what he is to prove he's a worthy boyfriend. Oh, Stefan, boo, that's not how Damon's mind works. That's your deal. You care about perception. Damon cares that Elena is happy, and getting her best friend back will make Elena happy. That is why Damon is doing this.

Exactly!

I'm just so used to thinking of Nina as Elena and she so perfectly separates the characters that, yeah, I just once again forgot the same actress plays both characters.

I have the same reaction to Tatiana Maslany. I have trouble remembering that the same actress plays all those characters. Nina is the same way. It's quite impressive.
Arabian: Caroline02arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:35 am (UTC)
Tyler is a douche. Period. I still don't think that Caroline actually is in love with him. She's more in love with the idea of being in love with him. If she was, she wouldn't have had those feelings for Klaus, those tender feelings for Stefan, and that little crush on Jesse that she has.

I think you're very right that they're going to be giving the viewers Stefan/Caroline.

WHEE!!!!

Anyway, my point is, as long as Caroline is happy and being treated well (because she is one of my very favorites), I'll be happy for her.

Agreed, and Tyler will NEVER make her happy because Tyler's number one has ALWAYS been Tyler.

I love Damon and his putting Elena's happiness before everything else (except her life).

Yuppers, the opposite of Tyler. Ugh. Tyler.

I have the same reaction to Tatiana Maslany. I have trouble remembering that the same actress plays all those characters. Nina is the same way. It's quite impressive.

It's a shame that both actresses don't get the credit they deserve because they're on sci-fi, not big-four or cable shows that get respect. It's just not fair. Harrumph!
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tj2013tj2013 on November 2nd, 2013 09:50 pm (UTC)
One of the things that I liked about this episode was how the Damon/Elena relationship was handled
Yep. Exactly. They should improve their communication skills (Damon said to Caroline once that relationships are all about communication ... Huh) but they are pretty solid. And truthful. No sugarcoating on either side.

I'm just so used to thinking of Nina as Elena and she so perfectly separates the characters that, yeah, I just once again forgot the same actress plays both characters.

I read a couple of her tweets before thursday and she tweeted some Katherine shots during the production and I thought why is she doing this? She is ELENA. Shouldn't the one playing Katherine do this? LOL. Nina is amazing.

I like crazy Tessa, but shouldn't she have expected Silas to make a move? He just pretended to be Stefan and she believed him? Not smart for a 2000 year old witch.

The parallels between Jeremy and Katherine dying were stunning. Nicely done!
Arabian: Damon11arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:32 am (UTC)
They should improve their communication skills [...] but they are pretty solid. And truthful. No sugarcoating on either side.

Well, to be fair, I think that these two by far have the best communication of any couple of this show like, uhm, ever, LOL!

I read a couple of her tweets before thursday and she tweeted some Katherine shots during the production and I thought why is she doing this? She is ELENA. Shouldn't the one playing Katherine do this? LOL. Nina is amazing.

LOL! So agreed. SO, SO AGREED!

I like crazy Tessa, but shouldn't she have expected Silas to make a move? He just pretended to be Stefan and she believed him? Not smart for a 2000 year old witch.

I think she does still love him and is still blinded by that love. You could see that in that final scene with him.

The parallels between Jeremy and Katherine dying were stunning. Nicely done!

Again, sooooo agreed.

bangel_4e: buffybangel_4e on November 3rd, 2013 12:10 am (UTC)
PART II


Stefan/Silas/Tessa: Brilliant exchange between Silas and Tessa. Paul and Janina did such a great job and their dynamic is very interesting. As for Stefan, well, we didn't see much of him but I'm a little annoyed at his words towards Damon. One, because what he said is not the truth. Two, because it doesn't feel like Stefan to me. Which is funny, cause he actually is Stefan without the weight of so many years but still...I'm so used to the idea of Stefan, even if I know he's not the hero all the time, that I just find it weird to see him like that, no filters.

Stefan/Caroline: YES, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT! I have this feeling since last season but oh, boy...after all the Jesse drama and getting over Tyler (more on that later ahah), they're gonna happen. I can't wait and I also can't wait to see Elena's reaction. That's gotta be interesting.

Caroline/Tyler: Can I laugh? Cause EVERY TIME they're together, they have sex all the time. I get it & Delena is also a very passionate couple but they have a balance of everything...Caroline and Tyler clearly don't. And I've always said there wasn't substance to this relationship, there wasn't heart. And Tyler proved that he's a complete idiot, of course. Let's have sex with Caroline before I tell her I'm never coming back. And the "love me more than you hate him" ripped me apart...for Caroline. Cause it was such a desperate line and I just felt bad for her. She deserves someone who loves her 100%, more than anything and anyone else..and that's Stefan. Not even Klaus at this point cause he's got way too many issues and as of now, he'll never love her more than his life.
I gotta disagree about the douchebag thing though...what Damon did to Caroline and Andie was way worse than douchebag.
Arabian: Damon & Elena32arabian on November 3rd, 2013 10:24 am (UTC)
The scenes with Silas and Tessa (I guess we're going with that, LOL) were really great, I agree. I do think that Paul and Janina have good chemistry and play off of each other well.

it doesn't feel like Stefan to me. Which is funny, cause he actually is Stefan without the weight of so many years but still...I'm so used to the idea of Stefan, even if I know he's not the hero all the time, that I just find it weird to see him like that, no filters.

Dude, that was TOTALLY Stefan. He always PUTS his issues onto Damon. ALWAYS, LOL! I say this with love because I love Stefan still, but yeah, that was totally in character.

I gotta disagree about the douchebag thing though...what Damon did to Caroline and Andie was way worse than douchebag.

Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with you because the situations were different. With Caroline, Damon was still the villain. He wasn't anything but the "bad guy" at that point in the series. His switch was still off. Just as I don't consider things Stefan or Elena did when their switch was off anything but bad, I feel the same about Damon. When he was with Caroline, he was switch off-Damon, he was a bad guy, period. Tyler (and Stefan, Matt, Jeremy, etc.) are supposedly the "good guys" when they've done their douch-y things. As for Andie, uhm, Damon did actually treat her well for him in the stage he was in. He was transitioning from a bad guy to an anti-hero. He compelled her to be OK with him being a vampire, but ntil "Klaus," he didn't belittle her, he was sweet to her, he respected her, he treated her well. But, erm, he did treat her like a doll he owned which was terrible, but compared to how he was rude, condescending and insulting to others, he didn't do that to Andie. Still, OK, yeah, Damon was an ass to her, regardless of how surface nice he was, he still, you know did the whole compelling, controlling stuff. Yeah.

What I meant when I said I don't think of Damon as a douchebag is what Damon said to Mason when he said he heard nice things about Damon, but I'm a dick because, yeah, Damon's a dick. He doesn't pretend to be a nice guy. He knows he's a dick. All the other guys have this mantle of being such GREAT GUYS! and yet they can be and are douchebags. Damon doesn't pretend to be something he's not. So when Damon is an ass, I'm not pissed at him because it's not like he's being a hypocrite about it. Tyler, Stefan, Jeremy, Matt pretended to be these fine, upstanding guys... but they aren't enough that I notice it a lot. So I guess it's not the douchiness that bugs me, it's the hypocritical douchiness. :)
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La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on November 3rd, 2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
Three main thoughts:

I, too, was impressed with Paul Wesley's ability to actually make Silas charming/creepy/insertotheradjectives here this episode. I just want him to be more charismatic so much! There were so many times in the past I've liked Stefan and he's not pulling his weight with the duality of characters like Nina is.

2. Although I am also tired of Caroline and Tyler, I thought the last scene was very well played. It breaks my heart to see the amount of emotion in Tyler's face. There really has been a HUGE progression between Season 1 Tyler and Season 5 Tyler... and guess what? It's all thanks to Caroline. She brought him to where he is today. I can see why the guy is terrible for not just STAYING, but I can also see the conflict within him. He actually means something when he's off helping wolf-packs. He's pretty pointless otherwise. And Klaus killed his mother with NOTHING happened to Klaus. So, yeah, I don't like Tyler either... but I can understand his motivations. Just sucks that he keeps playing absentee Tyler.

3. Upon first watch, I kind of wondered why Elena didn't step in with Damon/Katherine. Then, I realized... Elena wants Katherine dead. Remember she attached all her energy towards hating Katherine and wanting to kill her at the end of Season 4. It was kind of annoying for a while and then it just kind of... left because Katherine is human now. So I can see her still hating Katherine, and not really minding throwing her to the wolves, or the Silas.

I like that she thinks a little more along the lines of Damon.
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)01arabian on November 4th, 2013 11:46 am (UTC)
1. Alas, I don't think a person can *be* more charismatic. They either are or they aren't ... and I think this is about as much charisma as Paul is capable of. :shrugs:

2. Oh, I agree that the last scene was well-played, definitely one of Trevino's best. The thing is that I just don't care. I don't care about Tyler and I don't care AT ALL about Caroline and Tyler as a couple. I just want him and them gone, kaput and finito forever.

Klaus killed his mother with NOTHING happened to Klaus. So, yeah, I don't like Tyler either... but I can understand his motivations.

Agreed, but yeah, what faith5by5_1013 mentioned in her journal was VERY valid... Klaus killed Carol how long ago? And instead of going after her then, he went a wolf-pack training instead of spending time with Caroline this whole summer when he could have been with her? It's just his priorities regardless of his very understandable motivation to avenge Carol clearly do not place Caroline very high. And THAT is the issue.

3. Then, I realized... Elena wants Katherine dead.

Yup, yup, yup.
Florencia: DE (5x03)florencia7 on November 4th, 2013 06:03 am (UTC)
YAY! I'm finally here. I was looking forward to reading this post for the entire day lol

”There was no 'I'm fine.' She told him the truth, and he didn't get upset” - The fact that they keep being so honest & open with each other takes away all the tension that would've been there otherwise while watching such scenes. Also, very consistently, no matter what's happening during the episode, the show makes a point of bringing DE back to the place of them being 1000% close & together. At the end of 5x01 we got Elena's ILY, 5x02: a scenic kiss, in 5x03 the DE vs. the universe, 5x04: Damon holding Elena at Bonnie's funeral. And at the end of this ep the same thing happened: they were both at the same page, filling each other in on the details, brainstorming, openly discussing everything... killing Katherine together... just the usual stuff all happy couples do lol

Oh, and I just realized: Henry VIII's 1st wife, the one that he got rid of to marry Anne Boleyn... her name was Katherine ^^

“The little bits… Elena commenting that Caroline is the only one that Stefan had spent any time with.” - They've been always doing that but for some reason it's especially noticeable this season: I love how there are no repetitions, how we get to see certain scenes and hear about others that are equally important. It really feels like every single word matters and it's wonderful.

Tyler/Caroline break-up was looooong overdue. Tyler's explanation... is he telling the truth? It's just such a naïve, pointless, bound-to-fail plan. Maybe he has a different agenda and is just being secretive about it?

Damon/Jeremy/Bonnie scene was so wonderful. I hope that ~when Bonnie comes back she'll willingly become a happy member of Damon/Elena/Jeremy family ;D

I LOVE the twist with Nadia being Katherine's daughter! & I'm not even inclined to complain about the actress anymore because, let's face it, even Katherine's daughter can't be as awesome as Katherine lol

What I find a little surprising – but what I like very much – is how Silas (and Quetsiya) kind mingle with the crowd. S4 gave the impression that Silas would be that alienated, aloof villain but instead he's working his way through the reality (and so is Quetsiya) and it's very effective, story-wise, I think.

THE LAST SCENE *___*

”the comparisons to the Jeremy/Silas death” - That was amazing indeed. I loved it. And I LOVED that overhead shot.

And hopefully Elena will never set the boarding house on fire. THAT would be unforgivable. All the things that have happened in this living room! ♥ lol

Reading your thoughts MADE MY DAY :]:]:]

♥!!!
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on November 4th, 2013 11:53 am (UTC)
the show makes a point of bringing DE back to the place of them being 1000% close & together.

And being honest with one another. I love that they are really keeping not only true to them, but showing that real difference between them and what one of the key things that was SO WRONG with Stefan and Elena.

Oh, and I just realized: Henry VIII's 1st wife, the one that he got rid of to marry Anne Boleyn... her name was Katherine ^^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Tyler/Caroline break-up was looooong overdue. Tyler's explanation... is he telling the truth? It's just such a naïve, pointless, bound-to-fail plan. Maybe he has a different agenda and is just being secretive about it?

Well, Trevino is going to The Originals, so who knows?

Damon/Jeremy/Bonnie scene was so wonderful. I hope that ~when Bonnie comes back she'll willingly become a happy member of Damon/Elena/Jeremy family ;D

She might, since I doubt her mom will be coming back to MF anytime soon.

What I find a little surprising – but what I like very much – is how Silas (and Quetsiya) kind mingle with the crowd. S4 gave the impression that Silas would be that alienated, aloof villain but instead he's working his way through the reality (and so is Quetsiya) and it's very effective, story-wise, I think.

Yeah, it is effective and with Silas becoming more of a real character, it's adding more depth to the story and making it all so deliciously intertwined.

Reading your thoughts MADE MY DAY

:D I was waiting for your response. ♥
Frust-sheep: sheep: HAPPYfrust_sheep on November 5th, 2013 12:05 am (UTC)
I just have to say: *Awww* :D and of course thanks again for this entry arabian. :)
Arabian: Elena11arabian on November 7th, 2013 08:44 am (UTC)
Aww, thank you. :D
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on November 9th, 2013 10:37 pm (UTC)
TVD without Katherine! That would have been unthinkable! Because I have been reading spoilers, I had been convinced that I knew where this is probably going, but it turned out not to be Amara in Katherine's body, so that was a relief! As for Nadia being her daughter, that was so, so obvious from the moment I heard about her that the twist of her pretending not to be wasn't the slightest bit convincing alas.

Although I enjoyed this ep overall and it was much better than last week, there were a few things in this one that really threw me out of it. Bearing in mind I have only seen the ep once and on a crappy livestream at that, I got a bit confused with the timeline regarding Damon’s visit to Whitmore and his conversation at the Boarding House with Jeremy; either it was a really clumsy flashback or Damon really drove ‘a few hours’ back and forth to have those conversations. I know the perception of distance is very different between the US and the UK, and I can accept that ‘a few hours away’ is close by in relative US terms when to us that would be like driving to the moon or god forbid – the other side of the country and therefore unthinkable unless on very special occasions, but that still seems a rather unrealistic amount of effort to me.

Also Stefan’s presence at Whitmore at all was bizarre (although a very TVD thing to engineer regardless of logic). I know Caroline invited him, but surely she should have known it was a daft idea to ask him to come all that way for a dance she had to have known Elena would take Damon to. He wasn’t even a date, what right did he even have to be there?

Plus, I know it was to give Nina a break and therefore logistically necessary, but Elena seemed to be absent for far too much of the episode, conspicuously so. Did she really pull away from Damon so much that didn’t notice he wasn’t around for most of the night?
Arabian: Damon & Elena31arabian on November 13th, 2013 10:32 am (UTC)
Well, as someone who has been almot 99% spoiler-free, I had absolutely zero clue about Nadia, so score one for going spoiler-free. That was a big surprise for me. (Would have been nicer did I like the actress better, sigh.) So her pretending not to be was completely convincing, until she described Katherine's death, I had no clue that she was Katherine's daughter as I didn't know in the slightest there was a twist. I just knew that she was a traveler and I figured her reason for being on the show had to do with their secret and the doppelgangers, not Katherine specifically or anything twisty.

I got a bit confused with the timeline regarding Damon’s visit to Whitmore and his conversation at the Boarding House with Jeremy; either it was a really clumsy flashback or Damon really drove ‘a few hours’ back and forth to have those conversations.

It was a flashback of sorts, didn't play clumsy to me. We knew that the reason that Damon was going to the dance with Elena was because he was doing this whole thing with Silas to get Bonnie back, so all the stuff in Mystic Falls (I believe) were earlier in the day set-ups.

I have no idea where Stefan is saying, maybe in some motel near Whitmore, because we know he's staying near Caroline, so I'm just fanwanking that. :shrug:

Plus, I know it was to give Nina a break and therefore logistically necessary, but Elena seemed to be absent for far too much of the episode, conspicuously so. Did she really pull away from Damon so much that didn’t notice he wasn’t around for most of the night?

Well, (a) she was talking to Aaron, then the professor, she also had Caroline/Tyler to hang out with as well, plus, yes, she was avoiding Damon. Considering the logistics, I'm willing to accept that in light of not working Nina to death as an explanation.
vanimy: D/E kissvanimy on January 1st, 2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
PART ONE

Hey! *waves*

I'm in the process of catching up with TVD after watching episodes 1 to 5, more or less in a row.

Where do I start?

Somewhere around season 4 I obviously stopped being a fan of TVD. It was confirmed this year since I basically spent the last months not watching it but...

I still like the show enough to give it a chance and follow season 5. So here I am, back with a few thoughts!

-Damon continues to be my favorite character on the show. Shallow note, yep, Ian Somerhalder brought the sexy back this season, I don't think he has looked so fine since season 1! Yum. but coming back to Damon, yeah, I love love watching him and his complicated issues. I like that even in the midst of happy times with Elena, there's still that hint of insecurity about his worth and Elena's feelings for him, just the tiniest bit. I like that because it's realistic, just because you get with the girl you loved forever doesn't erase centuries of self esteem issues. So me likes!

-Damon and Jeremy are basically my second favorite thing about this season. Every single scene with them gave me all the feels! I love that we get to see Damon's feelings for Jeremy that are there not just because he loves Elena so much but because he cares about Jeremy too. I love the big brother relationship they have. Also great is Jeremy's absolute trust in Damon. Yay.

-Damon/Elena. Not gonna lie, they're a joy to watch together, so natural as a couple, so adorable and hot and cute and funny and did I mention hot? I'm still a little resentful over how they got together in the first place but I have to admit I really love them as a couple now. *sigh* Not a fan of how they both kept things from each other though but I get where they're both coming from. I'm not surprised Elena feels guilt over being with Damon all summer and TW she's avoiding him, I don't have a problem with it because it's obvious that even though she's avoiding him she's still very happy to see him everytime he shows up. At the end of the episode they acted like a team, me liked.

-Bonnie. When are they bringing her back? *sigh* I miss her. It's true that being dead sucks for her, she had to watch her dad die without being able to do anything about it, she can't see him anymore, she can't speak to anyone except Jeremy, she's basically stuck into purgatory. Also I have all the Bonnie/Jeremy feels, poor Jeremy and dead girlfriends...

-Qetsiya (sp?) is great, I agree, even though I wasn't a fan of how easily Silas played her at the ball. She should be a little more paranoid by now... But she made up for that in that scene when she desiccated Silas easily.

-I agree, Paul Wesley played Silas extremely well in this episode. Silas was less of a boring Ripper and more like a real character. Maybe Paul didn't have a lot of directions to play the character??

-Stefan's been acting like a douche ever since he lost his memories. Yikes. Give him back his memories, please. Never been fond of amnesia stories.

-Stefan/Elena. Well, we all knew they couldn't drop that part of the triangle, right? Surprisingly, I don't mind the bits and pieces that were thrown at Stefan/Elena shippers. Even if it's over, Elena did love Stefan at some point, so her reliving memories with him the previous episode didn't bother me, because she stopped and told him she was with Damon now. The psychic connection has been explained too, so no worry. As for them being dopplegangers and fated to be together, well, all the more angst and obstacles to the Damon/Elena story, which this is all about IMO.

vanimy: Elenavanimy on January 1st, 2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
PART TWO

-Even though Katherine totally had it coming - and yes, this was obviously a parallel to how Jeremy died, payback's a bitch - I still found the way Damon and Elena fed Katherine to Silas was chilling. I include Elena here, because as you pointed out, she could've done something to stop Damon - and I actually kept expecting her to do something about it the whole time - but she didn't so she's as responsible. Elena's stopped being the moral compass of the show I guess because even though I'd be happy to see Bonnie back, I still don't think it was right to feed a human being to the monster that's Silas. Also they have no guarantee Silas's going to keep his end of the bargain, I'd have tried a deal with Qetsiya myself...

-So Katherine's still alive, intriguing.... I guess the cure a) didn't work out as Qetsiya wanted to or b) Qetsiya planned for this all along and there's something more to the story... Also, I can't help but think we never did see Amara's corpse in that flashback.

-Nadia Petrova, I wasn't expecting that at all, yay for surprising me! I actually don't mind the actress myself, she may not be at the others' level but she doesn't annoy me; I can't wait to see how this reveal changes Katherine.

-Dr Frankenstein at Whitmore and the whole Aaron/roommate mystery. I'm in, I can't wait to see where this goes. Maybe they're trying to find a cure for vampirism or whatever. It made me think of that Will Smith movie, 'I'm legend'. I like the actor they cast in any case. TVD usually has impeccable casting.

-The Caroline/Tyler drama. BORING. Seriously, these two have had the same scenes since season 3! Tyler leaves because of werewolf stuff, Caroline cries, she leaves him voicemails he doesn't answer, Tyler doesn't show up for a few episodes, then he's back suddenly, Caroline cries again, goes into his arms, they have sex, Tyler stays a little while, then he has to leave AGAIN. WASH, RINSE, REPEAT.

Please tell me this is really over this time and Tyler's gone GONE. Because Caroline's character needs more than this endless mediocre drama. Give me Klaus/Caroline any day. But since that can't happen, give anything else. Jessie drama, Stefan drama, college drama, I'll take anything!

-So that's it, all in all I enjoyed those first five episodes of the season. Will be back when I finish the first half of the season!
vanimy: Doug/Carolvanimy on January 1st, 2014 12:17 pm (UTC)
Oh and where are my manners? Happy new year!!
Alisha: DC Joey/Pacey Comfortkalishaka on October 13th, 2014 07:49 pm (UTC)
This episode was a bit lackluster for me. For the first time since I started my season watch this morning my interest just was not held by the episode. It was by no means bad, but there were just so many elements I did not care about.

I hated the dance. It was not needed. I know this show has an obsession with the 'dances' and god knows I love the moments they can and have given me, but if they weren't going to utilize the chances the dance allowed, a simple party would have been good enough.

I'm bothered by how the professor is worked in. It feels a lot like how they worked in Alaric, but the college and high school environs are so different when it comes to interaction, that it is just all screaming false and contrived to me. On one hand, I know they are taking short cuts to further their goals but I want it to be better? More organic rather than blatant I guess. I am however intrigued by him nonetheless so we shall see where that goes.

I have no investment in Tyler. None. I have not cared about his character since season one. And he hasn't interested me as a character since season two. There is nothing for him here. I don't know why he is still on this show. I don't understand why they can never either use him or ditch him. Someone make sense of it to me? Also, seeing his relationship with Caroline end for the 12th time...just was a waste of my time and hers.

Not even the glorious beacon of Qetsiyah could save this for me. I hate that she was so easily manipulated. I understand why but boo. However, I loooove that she ripped his heart out. And I love how she spoke out it. And with the use of the heart, I am now a little convinced that is exactly what she did to Amara. I knew Amara would come into play. Pretty sure I know how now. I figure she is likely the anchor? Something of that sort. It would make sense. Killing her would be letting her off too easy.

Letting Katherine die....bothered me. I'm not saying I don't understand the motivations and how it fits characters. Like it wasn't bad writing, it just made me uncomfortable, because Katherine is very human at the moment. Has been having a very humanizing journey, and I don't know. It just doesn't sit well with me...and I feel like they've killed the very humanity they gave her with that choice. I just feel like it is a choice that will come back to haunt them all.

Also, okay, I know I was paying a bit less attention this episode but is Elena in on the Silas plan? Because it all seems very rushed and haphazardly thrown together. I don't know....I think this episode just felt very like one that is just there to place all the characters on different arcs, rather than a fluid story. (I'm not explaining that well, but still.)