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10 May 2013 @ 07:11 am
4.22 - 'The Walking Dead' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Woohoo! My show!

TEAM BAD-ASS IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woohoo! The crowd roars and cheers and begs and pleads, offering first born and all the riches in the world to Julie Plec so that Alaric never leaves Damon (and us) again! PLEASE!!! Ahem. Seriously, I was just all agog with feels over every Alaric/Damon moment. Come on, look at these two mofos!

 

The smiles, the hugs, the endearing insults, the bromance alive and strong and making me a very, very happy camper! Erm, I will say that though as much as I loved seeing Alaric, the two of them just happening to be at locker 42 was just a wee bit convenient. :Rolls eyes: Still, again, I loved Damon's smile, Ric's answering smile and then the hug. And it wasn't just because of the bromance (briefly) alive and well. I loved how we saw in just that first bit of interaction with Alaric (once Damon realized it truly was Ric) how much Damon has grown emotionally. He smiled openly, freely (because he was happy). He went to Ric and hugged him without holding back, without reservation. It was just... aah! So beautiful and seeing Damon be so open and revealing with his feelings to someone without fearing repercussions, I just really, really loved that.

Ooh, ooh, and we even got a callback to the wonderful Ghost!Alaric appearance in episode two. ("You heard that? Well, that's not creepy." Hee!) Overall, yeah, I just had all the feels in the world!

And (squee!) Ric is sooooooo Team Delena! (Man, I hate the smooshed names on this show, they're all so terrible, sigh.) Which was just yet another little neon sign that this is so heading to Damon and Elena now. Ric pointing out that Elena is Damon's girlfriend (he really has been spying, huh? hmm, or maybe Jere shared?). Then he got to the root of his Damon issues right away and without beating around the bush, making it clear to the audience (well, the part of the audience that wants to pay attention) that Damon and Elena are the couple that are being designed to root for. Oh, Lordy, and that last scene with them? OK, yeah, the shared drink was adorable--had to gif it--but more importantly for this point of view is how Ric just smiled and calmly, succinctly told him to go get the girl! (And this is partly why it was so important that we saw what we did in episode 18--Damon hesitating when it came to the cure. That was the set up for this, Damon having the power of the cure in his hands.) Ahh, forget thinky-thoughts... Ric's "Go get the girl," just had me all a'grinning.

 

The stuff with Stefan and Elena, Stefan and Caroline and Stefan and Lexi was also pretty telling with regards to the Damon/Elena-ness of it all. But more on that later. Concentrating on my couple specifically still we saw the same thing here that we did when Elena first turned the switch off--annoyed with Stefan's methods, making it clear she's just not feeling those feelings for him. This is in opposition to what Elena is pulling with Damon. Like in "Bring It On" and "Because the Night," Elena tapped into Damon's feelings because she feels more comfortable going that route with him, something that she obviously doesn't with Stefan.

And, really, girl is a quick learner. She tried to appeal to Damon through his emotions for her (lust on the New York roof, love in the halls of Mystic Falls High) and when it doesn't work? Well, Rebekah took Damon out of commission in New York, so Elena employed that strategy here. That's my girl! She ain't stupid. However.... The problem is that Elena continues to underestimate the depths of Damon's insecurities. When she says "I'll be myself and things will go back to normal," she's thinking of the two of them before the switch was flipped. That's her key to get him to give in to her. But Damon is thinking of Elena with Stefan before the "sire bond" took hold. And that is why he didn't budge at all from her spiel.

 

Still, while Elena doesn't quite know what makes Damon tick, as seen in the second gif, Damon knows what does Elena. He knows that while the full-on humanity Elena wants to apologize, wants to make things right (see her with Bonnie, then Stefan who both let her speak and spoke in kind). However, right now, the important thing is Jeremy and spending those moments with him. And so he made sure that she knew it was OK to not worry about him, this time was for Jeremy.

Not to say that Stefan and Elena didn't have their moment because they totally did. I do not deny that. She first looked at him after letting her full emotions in and with those emotions came a rush of love and, yes, it was directed at Stefan because she does love him. And that's why I believe we got that first look, that smile and soft expression. However, it was followed with a dampened smile and a look of frustration. The weight of all that happened, the things they'd said and done to each other, her relationship with and feelings for Damon intervened and just like that the "moment" was gone. And Stefan knew that, and he was OK with it. Which I continue to think is key in terms of Damon and Elena being able to move on together.

Because he's always been the chosen one, Stefan does have a selfishness to his personality neither Damon (as the one never chosen) and Elena (simply because of her ridiculously empathetic self) do not have. So as long as Stefan is not OK with Elena not with him (and with Damon) that would always be a wedge between Damon and Elena together because they aren't selfish enough, not when it comes to those they love and they both love Stefan. That moment after *the* moment showed me that while Stefan still loves Elena too and right now he probably can't see himself ever getting over her, he is resigned at this point that it's not the same for her anymore.

And it's really not. Emotionless and rage-only Elena without that empathetic compassion that generally directs her words and actions basically called Stefan out on his uselessness. This time, she basically said the same thing Damon did about Stefan's stupid cinderblock plan. The bottom line is that Stefan just sooooo does not get Elena. Like at all. He thinks he's getting through to her and instead Elena takes from his speech that he thinks she's hopeless--once again, Elena gets that Stefan sees her as something broken--and then when he offers to help, i.e., fix her we see just how tired of it she is. She literally rolled her eyes. (Admittedly, the words he said did sink in later, but this was her first reaction to his speechifying.)

With that said, she did have some moments before her graveyard breakdown and Kol confrontation where we saw that our Elena was just trying to break free. And I loved that it was one of her friends who got that crack opened. (I don't know if Damon could have, he certainly just wasn't trying. Stefan was right, Damon was avoiding being there for Elena... because--say it with me--he believes that he's not what Elena needs, is not what is best for Elena, can't get through to her. Nope, he believes that's all on Stefan. Oh, Damon.) Anyhoo, back to my point. I loved that Elena flat-out acknowledged what was going on with her. She wasn't in denial at all, she knew what she was doing. She just couldn't deal and acknowledging that is actually a pretty big step for her. And back to that "admittedly" part above, to be fair, Stefan did help with that (despite his "self-righteousness.") That conversation with him did make sense and got through to her a bit (unless this supposed to be another sire bond sign and she said Stefan was right because Damon said that Stefan was right earlier. Who knows?) What I'm getting at is that Elena doesn't want to feel anything but the rage because anything else will probably open the floodgates and she thinks she's incapable of handling that.

And this helped give us insight into just how right Damon was about how far gone she was after Jeremy died. She really was just ready to die. I think that if Damon hadn't have done that (or at least reminded her of that possibility) she would have taken her ring off and walked into the sun first chance. Her reaction to Kol made it clear that she really did just give up. Thankfully, the veil was down and Elena was able to have her chance to say goodbye to Jeremy, to get some kind of closure. Whether Jeremy is able to stick around (please!) or not, I think at least getting that chance to be with him before he goes will help tremendously in helping her move on mainly in part because he will *want* her to move on.

Uhm, can I interrupt the Jeremy/Elena moment to say just how much I loved that Damon was there during what we saw of their goodbye? For reals. As someone who adored the dynamic that was created between these three in season 03 (and some of this season), I just loved so much that Damon was a part of that moment.

 

I also loved that Damon applied logic and his knowledge of the tunnels to know that it wasn't Ric, but Silas instead. Go smart!Damon. Oh, and speaking of smart!Damon... SEE?!?!? Damon and Bonnie get shit done! Who tag-teams to put Silas down? Damon and Bonnie. Yuppers.

Oh, yeah, O.M.G. BONNIE!?!?!??!?!? Serious jaw-dropping moment. I just kinda sat there stunned, literally unable to utter a sound. Just... wha?!?!?!? Bonnie?!?!?!? Sigh. I just don't know, man, I do not know what to think. I do know what to think about Grams, though. Damn, I love whenever they manage to bring her back. And once again the show didn't spill on who was showing up. I knew that Alaric, Jeremy (and Kol, thanks preview!) would be there, but not Grams (!), Lexi (more on her later), or the Hunters and I love that I didn't know that. (I was surprised to not see Vicki though. Maybe she's still pissed at Matt for sending her away, LOL!) But, anyway, back to Bonnie.

I thought it was interesting that when Bonnie was putting Silas down she didn't speak Latin. And I thought it made perfect sense and was pretty cool. Of course she wouldn't need Latin because it had nothing to do with witchcraft as explained by Grams. It was all about Bonnie's will, Bonnie's strength so all it needed was her words fueled by her will and strength.

Not that she was strong enough. *sigh*

"I'm dead." And with those two words, yeah, something totally happened that I did not think would. Now they may come up with a way around it, but for the moment I was done shocked and good!

I gotta say I was also shocked--OK, more happily surprised--at the continued Stefan/Caroline stuffies! I mean, when Stefan walked into the Grill all bummed, I expected him to be upset about Elena. I also expected Caroline to expect him to be upset about Elena. Instead, Stefan was bummy over Lexi, and Caroline didn't even mention Elena's name as a possible reason. Speaking of Stefan bummed, can I just say how much I love the fact that even when bummed, Stefan with Caroline still manages to be light and open? I just... sigh, I just adore them so.

 

I also adored the whole Lexi/Stefan conversation. I mean, O.M.G! OK, yeah, I was more than happily surprised, definitely closer to shocked. Lexi laughed about Elena punching Stefan in the face and then said "Take a hint!" TAKE. A. HINT! From Lexi. To Stefan. About Elena. As in 'dude, she's not that into you.' AWESOME! Also totally, completely and adorably awesome? That Lexi was all for matchmaking Stefan with Caroline! SQUEE!!! When she first mentioned another blond taking her place, I expected the whole "friend" thing, pushing the platonic angle. But then... but then... but then!!!! Lexi gave him that look and he *caught* the look and he called her on it! And she said that Caroline was cute! As in 'you could so do worse!' Damn, we got characters on the show who used to be Team!Stefan/Elena, now a member of Team!Stefan/Caroline. YEAH, BABY!

Now comes a shocker for my lovely readers. I did... not hate Lexi. When I heard her voice, I actually smiled. And I grinned through all of her scenes with Stefan. Seriously. I was actually happy for Stefan that he got to see Lexi. And seeing the two NOT in a bad situation (since season 01), it was obvious how much they (platonically) love each other, even if Lexi had fucked up ways of fixing him that didn't really fix him at all. It clearly did come from a place of love. I guess I just don't hate Lexi anymore. See what knowing that Damon played her ass does for a character I once hated? Of course I can understand where she's coming from now. Pfft, she probably always had sublimated hots for him all along and that can mess with a girl. I get it.

You know what I also might get? Some closure with Stefan and Katherine next season (if, erm, she doesn't die!). I was muy intrigued by Elena asking Stefan if he still had feelings for Katherine in the midst of their tête-à-tête. Things that make you go hmmmmm......... Yes, some Stefan/Katherine closure would be nice so we know he can start to move onto Caroline. I mean how many ex-hang-ups does the guy need? Thank goodness, he already found closure with one.

That's right! Rebekah! Who is now free to be adorable and awesome and squee-worthy with my lovely, lovely Matt! Seriously, I so had all the feels for Matt and Rebekah and their every scene. From them discussing graduation and their lack of maternal love, to Matt's reaction to her "helping" Elena to those looks in the Grill full of candles and having a moment, I was all a'squee!

 

And, OMG!, you guys! For those who have read my fic (How To Make A Better Vampire -- the last chapter has Matt and Rebekah... in the Grill... and it is filled with candles and they have a moment! (That was not cock-blocked by Kol!) I'm so psychic about this show! AAAHHH!!!

And I'm also totally psycho for it! Uh huh! Anyhoo, time for randoms now. :)

First some acting notes. Intentional or not, I loved how Paul Wesley played the scene with Damon and Liz and the dead body dripping blood in the hospital bed. You could see that Stefan was affected by the sight and smell of the blood, but he was controlling it. Very nicely done. On the other hand, I wasn't terribly impressed with Candice Accola's take on Silas. She just kinda slowed her words down and enunciated carefully. Eh, didn't work for me. Nor did Steven R. McQueen's return. I don't know, I was way more affected by Alaric and I think it's because Matt Davis sold the hell out of every moment he was onscreen, but I didn't feel that oomph! with McQueen. Sorry, I still love you, Jeremy. On the other hand, I don't love Kol, but to give credit where due, Nathaniel Buzolic sucked way less than he did in his last couple of appearances. He was actually decent. I was pleasantly surprised.

- "Do you not notice all the end of the world crap going on right now?" Seriously, this was the line of the episode!

- I mentioned the scene above where Elena admitted that she couldn't allow herself to feel bad because it could open the floodgates. There was a great moment right before that where Caroline's voice trembled as she asked Elena if she really meant the awful things she'd said to her and it was matched by Elena's shaking hand holding the dart. It was a small, but beautifully acted moment that highlighted the friendships that so permeate this show.

- Erm, why is a vampire with all that strength breathing heavily after a few push-ups? Mmmhmmm. Shoulda gave Nina Dobrev a break to get her breathing under control and then cut to her. It was... slightly distracting.

- Is it bad that I was little bummed that Liz called Stefan too? Shoulda just been Damon and Liz. :pouts:

- Damn, Caroline, Elena and Rebekah's hair looked so limp and lifeless. Ugh. Katherine's looked fantastic though. (She also had some great lines. But, of course, she's Katherine. Duh.)

- Yup, there's that reminder that Elena really has so few people left in the world. One graduation invite. Oh, my poor Elena.

- The linking of Bonnie and Katherine was a nice callback to the Katherine/Elena linking in "Masquerade."

- I love how casual Matt was with his all "I guess this means Bonnie dropped the veil" comment to Kol. LOL!

- OK, I love Elena dearly, but how did she overtake Katherine so easily? I know rage gives a vampire extra-strength but she totally had Katherine's number from moment one.

- This show, first aid and my couples? Me likey!

 

- "Brother and friend. What genius thought that up?" Hah!

- I like that Silas basically played Bonnie and let her think what he wanted her to think. It makes sense for someone that old and powerful.

- At first I thought: Really? A slap upside the head did the trick? But it does make sense. Caroline did need to be snapped out of it, and that rocked her head enough to snap her out of it. Worked for me.

- Aww, Matt told Damon to watch his back. I just... squee! I totally thought he was going to say look out for Elena again at the end, but nope, he wanted Damon to be careful. Awww. Matt and Damon love each other!!!!!

- Aha! I knew that Jeremy and Damon were going to be responsible for turning Elena's humanity back on. Damon started it in the last episode and Jeremy finished it here. Uh huh.

- So, in the last write-up I commented that I was sad that Bonnie couldn't forgive what Elena did to her, and florencia7 (Whee! Welcome back!) said "I actually think Bonnie did forgive Elena and the only reason why she told Caroline she didn't was because she was busy with all the Silas and Katherine related stuff and needed a convincing reason not to join Caroline at the Boarding House... maybe?)" Based on what Bonnie said to Elena in this episode, I think that she was absolutely right. I stand corrected. Sorry, Bonnie!

- So, yeah, all the Hunters showing up and surrounding Rebekah and Matt was cool. And woulda totally made a cool ending. But, but, but... it was not to be.

- Nope. In the premiere, Sheila told Bonnie that she couldn't overdo the magic or it would be a problem. Now here we have the parallel of Bonnie once again overextending her powers and this time she paid the ultimate sacrifice. Oh, Bonnie!

Phew, so one episode left. VERY EXCITING! I have hopes for the finale, hopefully, it will play out as well as the rest of the season and we'll get some explanation for the sire bond in all its inconsistent totality, LOL! And I gotta say as someone who saw good groundwork for Damon and Elena, not to mention the squee of Stefan and Caroline, knowing that Caroline Dries co-wrote this episode, I'm all filled with gleeful anticipation for next season because she will be co-running the show. SQUEE! See you all next week! :)
 
 
 
bangel_4e: delena3bangel_4e on May 10th, 2013 01:15 pm (UTC)
First of all, I wanna say that I don't think Elena loves Stefan, I mean not in the "I'm in love with you" way. I think she cares about him, they mean a lot to each other. He helped her realizing this was all a distraction. And the looks and smile was good, Elena with emotions feel terrible that she dumped Stefan cause she's in love with Damon. She does feel bad. She's not heartless. And that moment was kinda needed from the episode where Rebekkah made her confess her feelings for Damon to his face, cause it was brutal and not the way she would've wanted to tell him.
I think this is definite closure and kind of a blessing from Stefan.
(But of course, Stelena fans are gonna say that they love each other forever and blah blah blah)
Oh btw, I'm really starting to dislike Julie Plec...she's an idiot sometimes.
She just said these words:
"The bottom line is that Elena as a human made a very, very, very clear choice that she would love Stefan always and forever," she says. "But then her entire life turned upside down, and any feelings she originally had for Damon were still there, and of course magnified. There was always going to be a little bit of a confusion there for her -- but not enough confusion for her to be over Stefan. It would take a lot to rip Elena away from loving Stefan. It would take years and seasons. We'd be eighty, if we followed the natural progression of that relationship."
Really? It seems like Julie's forgetting everything, including what Elena said in 3x22. She said...I can't think about always, I can only think about right now. Or to Stefan in 4x01 "we can be together forever (or something like that), if I want to"
I just...this is stupid. She's gonna choose SE for endgame...-.- -.-

And I love how things between Damon and Elena couldn't be faced with just a glance and a smile. They are a couple, their discussions is gonna be MUCH longer. And that means everything. And she needed to spend time with Jer, I get it.
Aww all my feelings for Jeremy/Elena and Damon/Alaric...I have no words. Those scenes were magnificent.

And..is Bonnie DEAD? like, dead dead??? I was completely shocked....I just don't know what is gonna happen in the next episode...I can't wait though.

I adored Lexi and her hopes for Steroline (BRING IT ON!), Rebekkah & Matt (squeee) and basically every single thing in this episode.
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah01arabian on May 10th, 2013 01:22 pm (UTC)
Yes, when I said Elena loved Stefan I meant in a 'not in love with him' type of way.

OK, here's the thing with Julie. She's a complete and utter troll. Her interviews are totally whack and have no basis in reality as to what's actually on the show. And if you really look at her whole statement (even in it's SO not what happened on the show ridiculousness), it's TERRIBLE for S/E. She basically said that Elena would stay with Stefan for 80 years in DENIAL because she wanted Damon, but her being a human kept her from pursuing him. How is that good for S/E? It's not. Oh, Julie. PR fail once again.

Look, I go back to the 2nd episode of this season. Before it aired, Julie went on and on about how Stefan and Elena would have problems because she was a vampire... and then it aired and sure Stefan and Elena had TONS of problems, but not a single one had ANYTHING to do with Elena being a vampire. They were all about the many issues they had that had nothing to do with her vampirism. Watch the show, pay attention to the beats because her interviews--sigh, she's just trying to get people (on both sides) to watch and she frankly does a horrible job in trying to do that. I think she's an incredible writer/creator, but she needs some SERIOUS PR classes.

There is simply no way, based on this show's narrative, that Damon/Elena are NOT endgame. None. Really, Julie is actually a pretty big D/E fan, to the point that it was so obvious and S/E fans were getting UBER-PISSED that she started swinging in the other direction--generally saying stuff that made no sense when praising S/E, LOL--to compensate. So now she kinda overcompensates. It's almost funny at this point.

I think Bonnie is dead-dead, but I wonder if the cure is going to be used on her? I don't know if it could work that way. Hmmm.....

Yeah, Stefan/Caroline and Matt/Rebekah were so made of wins there are no words!

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x5valex5vale on May 10th, 2013 06:32 pm (UTC)
Perfect review is perfect.

Damon and Alaric made me feel so happy and sad at the same time, because seriously that look on Damon's face when he hugge d Ric was breathtaking..and it was even more he because Damon needs his friend back and cares and loves him the way he loves. Totally.

Also, it was beautiful to see Stefan calling out about the fact that he was avoiding to help Elena. As much as Stefan can't get Elena, he can get Damon. At least he can now...and how sad it was foue, butr him not seeing Lexi...awww Stefan.

Elena trying to apologize to Damon was due, but I liked that Damon gave her his time to say goodbye to Jeremy and I totally agree with you about how important it was that Damon was there, because of the relationship he built up with Jeremy.

I loved the episode. Hopefully the finale will be even better.
Arabian: Damon & Elena27arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:43 am (UTC)
Perfect review is perfect.

Awww!

Damon and Alaric made me feel so happy and sad at the same time, because seriously that look on Damon's face when he hugge d Ric was breathtaking..and it was even more he because Damon needs his friend back and cares and loves him the way he loves. Totally.

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I do not lie when I say that Damon and Ric gave me all the feels in the universe!

Also, it was beautiful to see Stefan calling out about the fact that he was avoiding to help Elena. As much as Stefan can't get Elena, he can get Damon.

THAT IS SO TRUE! Stefan gets Damon, even in a way that Elena is unable to yet.

Ki>Elena trying to apologize to Damon was due, but I liked that Damon gave her his time to say goodbye to Jeremy and I totally agree with you about how important it was that Damon was there, because of the relationship he built up with Jeremy.</i>

Yes to all of this, especially the last bit. I LOVED that Damon was allowed to be a part of that. SO MUCH!

I loved the episode. Hopefully the finale will be even better.

I CAN'T WAIT!!!
Florencia: TVD (Alaric)florencia7 on May 10th, 2013 09:58 pm (UTC)
It's hard to tell, but I hope the split rumors are not true and either based on the fact that Nina attended one of the recent events alone (because, obviously, if you're in a relationship you're not supposed to go anywhere alone lol) or spread by SE part of the fandom to ruin, even if in a very abstract way, our joy at DE love-filled finale ;D

OMG YES, Damon/Alaric was perhaps the best thing about this episode (even if I loved the entire episode to pieces).

”So beautiful and seeing Damon be so open and revealing with his feelings to someone without fearing repercussions” - That's so true. I didn't think of that but you're SO right.

Everyone turns Team Delena sooner or later! I'm sure even Klaus will do so once he finds out about Stefan/Caroline and stops liking Caroline Stefan lol

haha I agree about the ship names, although “Delena” is actually pretty good in comparison to, for example, sadly, “Steroline”.

”When she says "I'll be myself and things will go back to normal," she's thinking of the two of them before the switch was flipped. That's her key to get him to give in to her. But Damon is thinking of Elena with Stefan before the "sire bond" took hold.” - Yes, exactly! And I love how well-acted that scene was because you could totally see what you just explained in their eyes.

”Uhm, can I interrupt the Jeremy/Elena moment to say just how much I loved that Damon was there during what we saw of their goodbye?” - I loved that too. I loved that it happened and I love that Damon felt entitled to be a part of that family moment, felt comfortable being there. I loved that implication behind this scene perhaps even more than the scene itself.

”I also loved that Damon applied logic and his knowledge of the tunnels to know that it wasn't Ric, but Silas instead.” - That was great, but one thing has me worried. At some point there Damon tells Silas that he can't get into his head – and that's the very belief that proved to be Bonnie's undoing. Not to mention that Silas did prove he could get into Damon's head before, so... Well, I'm probably paranoid because I'm thinking about the books that had Damon, um, *BOOKS SPOILER AHEAD (because I have no idea how to do an LJ spoiler cut, apparently lol) "furtively possessed" by evil forces for some time.

As for Bonnie, I simply refuse to believe she's dead. Unless they really are planning on eventually killing off all the main characters... except for Stefan, maybe. Julie would never kill Stefan lol Then again... Bonnie kind of had it coming. She has been constantly putting herself in danger, pushing herself to the limits, so it makes sense that there came a moment when a miracle didn't happen. Well, I just hope that even if she is dead, she'll still be a regular next season. TVD could easily pull that off.

I loved that we've got to see Grams again and it was a really beautifully acted little moment there when she told Bonnie she was OK and then Bonnie couldn't see her face but we could and there was that tiny expression on her face that suggested that it perhaps wasn't 100% true that she was OK but that she loves Bonnie so much she'd never tell her that.

“I gotta say I was also shocked--OK, more happily surprised--at the continued Stefan/Caroline stuffies!” - Me too! It seems the show's done being subtle about them! Lol And yes, Lexi totally redeemed herself in this episode, I felt exactly the same way about her. I SO suspected you'd also start not-hating her after this ep ;D

Edited at 2013-05-10 10:01 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on May 12th, 2013 06:16 am (UTC)
Regarding Nina and Ian -- with everything that's happened since (tweets from his brother, some friends, various other little things) I don't think they broke up. I think they are at the most on a break and by the time they get back to filming they'll be fine. There's just no way we went from these two madly in love a week ago to breaking up, boom, done, over! Plus, it has NOT been officially confirmed at all. Not by Nina, Ian, their camps or friends/family. So I'm optimistic that things will work out with them. :)

OMG YES, Damon/Alaric was perhaps the best thing about this episode (even if I loved the entire episode to pieces).

Oh, they totally were the BESTEST!

"So beautiful and seeing Damon be so open and revealing with his feelings to someone without fearing repercussions” - That's so true. I didn't think of that but you're SO right.

It just really struck me when he smiled so openly and just automatically went and hugged him. Awwww.

I love how well-acted that scene was because you could totally see what you just explained in their eyes.

Exactly. It didn't need to be spelled out what "back to normal" meant to Elena and Damon and how it differed.

”Uhm, can I interrupt the Jeremy/Elena moment to say just how much I loved that Damon was there during what we saw of their goodbye?” - I loved that too. I loved that it happened and I love that Damon felt entitled to be a part of that family moment, felt comfortable being there. I loved that implication behind this scene perhaps even more than the scene itself.

EXACTLY. You nailed it. "The implication behind the scene." Bonnie left. Even though she and Elena are "family," even as someone who loves him, she and Jeremy are not. Stefan left. Even if he and Elena were together, he never earned that kind of "familial" relationship with Jeremy. Damon has. Damon is "family" to Jeremy, just like Ric would have been had he been there. (Which I really kinda totally wished he had been. Oh well.)

At some point there Damon tells Silas that he can't get into his head – and that's the very belief that proved to be Bonnie's undoing. Not to mention that Silas did prove he could get into Damon's head before, so...

Yeah, that was just Damon saying that not literally like Bonnie, but rather as Ric BECAUSE of that specific location, Silas couldn't fool him. That's how I saw it anyway.

Well, I'm probably paranoid because I'm thinking about the books that had Damon, um, *BOOKS SPOILER AHEAD (because I have no idea how to do an LJ spoiler cut, apparently lol) "furtively possessed" by evil forces for some time.

LOL! This show so does not follow the books at all anymore. (And it's < lj - spoiler > without the spaces, and then < /lj - spoiler > without the spaces.)

As for Bonnie, I simply refuse to believe she's dead.

This is my theory (watch it be so wrong, LOL!) I think it could be the cure, maybe? I could see Damon giving Elena the cure. Then she decides that she doesn't want it anymore, gives it to Stefan to take it himself, give it to Rebekah, whatever. She doesn't want it--which would also pretty much tell Stefan, yeah, I want to be with Damon and not go back to being a human which he thinks means she'd go back to him. And THEN they'll find out that Bonnie "died" and Bonnie will get the cure since vamps are dead, I guess that the cure brings dead people back to life? So it's possible. We'll see.

Well, I just hope that even if she is dead, she'll still be a regular next season. TVD could easily pull that off.

Very true.

It seems the show's done being subtle about [S/C]!

YES!!!!

And yes, Lexi totally redeemed herself in this episode, I felt exactly the same way about her. I SO suspected you'd also start not-hating her after this ep ;D

You know me so well! LOL!
Florencia: DEflorencia7 on May 10th, 2013 10:02 pm (UTC)
[AH I'm sorry this is so long *____*]

I like that it was actually left open to interpretation whom Stefan meant when he said that he “expected to see someone” and he didn't. He could mean Lexi, maybe he did, but my initial impression was that he meant “his” Elena. Once she got her emotions back he hoped to *see* her, but instead he saw Elena who had broken up with him. What I really liked about the scene at the cemetery was that there seemed to be a moment there when Stefan realized that in terms of romantic love they were truly over – but was at peace with that. He hasn't moved on yet but he seemed to accept that Elena has.

”You know what I also might get? Some closure with Stefan and Katherine next season (if, erm, she doesn't die!).” - First of all, I have to say, I thought Elena would do a better job with her attempt to kill Katherine. Having said that, I agree with you that she managed to overpower Katherine way too easily. I know that makes no sense but there lol As for the closure... I actually thought that was the closure LOL Do you think we can dare to hope to get something more in S5?? I just thought that it was a nice touch having Stefan save Katherine. Speaking of these two...

“Memory lane”! I think it was very, very interesting that Elena used this very expression when talking with Caroline at the Grill (“I don't feel like going down the memory lane”), because in “Memory Lane” episode in S2, we had lots of Stefan/Katherine (the kiss and the scene that made it clear that Katherine did have real feelings for Stefan) PLUS we had that dream/hallucination that Katherine gave Stefan in which first we saw 1864!Damon and Elena and then the DE kiss-on-the-cheek moment at the Grill. Moreover, in the same episode we had fake SE break-up (overheard, interestingly enough, by Damon and Caroline).

”I'm so psychic about this show!” - YOU ARE! I was like: “hm, I've seen that before...” while watching Matt/Rebekah scenes LOL

There were many comments on how it's very lame they pulled a Phantom of the Opera on Silas so I'm very glad that it turned out that it was all fake and we haven't actually seen Silas' real face yet.

Aw Thank you for the welcome! ♥ And I'm rarely right, so I'm glad it turned out that I seemed to be right about Bonnie haha

btw I know that Elena/Bonnie conversation happened AFTER Elena had left all the hate behind but... I just thought it was interesting how Elena and Bonnie reconciled immediately while earlier Elena was unable to apologize, in any way, to Caroline + she had made it clear to Rebekah earlier that they weren't friends. The reason why I find it interesting is that both Caroline and Rebekah were... close with Damon. With Bonnie there was no awkward being-friends-with-my-boyfriend's-ex situation going on. (I'm totally overinterpreting this, I know lol)

Random question: has it been confirmed that the show will run for 6 seasons? I'm asking because this last episode made me feel like we're preparing for the final act, as in everything is almost perfect (“get the girl”, Stefan/Caroline approved by Lexi, Matt/Rebekah almost on a date, Rebekah saving Caroline, Stefan saving Katherine, Jeremy saving Elena, etc., etc.) and then there is this last, final “battle”. Of course a “battle” can last 2 or 3 seasons, but I don't think Julie & Co. would want to repeat the “mistake” of Klaus overstaying his welcome, so having Silas as a villain for two more seasons instead of one seems unlikely and then having a new villain for just one season... I don't know. It just made wonder.

And I really want to meet the mysterious folks from Denver! Lol

I loved this post! ♥

PS. I just saw this: http://de-daily.livejournal.com/189779.html How interesting! I totally forgot Damon said that in 4x17!
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on May 12th, 2013 06:25 am (UTC)
Part 1 --

[AH I'm sorry this is so long *____*]

Seriously, have YOU read my posts?!?! LOL! (And, erm, look at this response to YOUR comment!)

I like that it was actually left open to interpretation whom Stefan meant when he said that he “expected to see someone” and he didn't. He could mean Lexi, maybe he did, but my initial impression was that he meant “his” Elena.

Hmm, it never crossed my mind that it was anyone but Lexi since he had just seen the real Elena.

What I really liked about the scene at the cemetery was that there seemed to be a moment there when Stefan realized that in terms of romantic love they were truly over – but was at peace with that. He hasn't moved on yet but he seemed to accept that Elena has.

Exactly. That's what I saw too.

I agree with you that she managed to overpower Katherine way too easily. I know that makes no sense but there lol As for the closure... I actually thought that was the closure LOL Do you think we can dare to hope to get something more in S5?? I just thought that it was a nice touch having Stefan save Katherine.

Yeah, I know. Ideally I'd love to see a Stefan/Caroline/Katherine triangle with Katherine popping up sporadically except for shifts and her not so much as a romantic foil for Stefan (since she lurves Elijah), but rather as the devil to Caroline's angel. And not even S/C romantic yet, but Caroline trying to keep him on the non-Ripper path because he lost Elena, while Katherine has decided that since Elena no longer wants him, Katherine doesn't either so she wants him to go all Ripper and destroy stuff. I doubt they'd do that, but man, it'd be awesome! (And Paul would finally be happy!)

“Memory lane”! I think it was very, very interesting that Elena used this very expression when talking with Caroline at the Grill (“I don't feel like going down the memory lane”), because in “Memory Lane” episode in S2, we had lots of Stefan/Katherine (the kiss and the scene that made it clear that Katherine did have real feelings for Stefan) PLUS we had that dream/hallucination that Katherine gave Stefan in which first we saw 1864!Damon and Elena and then the DE kiss-on-the-cheek moment at the Grill. Moreover, in the same episode we had fake SE break-up (overheard, interestingly enough, by Damon and Caroline).

I didn't make all of the connection you did, but I did think of the episode title. Adding more weight to your theory, Caroline Dries wrote ML and she co-wrote this episode! Uh huh!

btw I know that Elena/Bonnie conversation happened AFTER Elena had left all the hate behind but... I just thought it was interesting how Elena and Bonnie reconciled immediately while earlier Elena was unable to apologize, in any way, to Caroline + she had made it clear to Rebekah earlier that they weren't friends. The reason why I find it interesting is that both Caroline and Rebekah were... close with Damon. With Bonnie there was no awkward being-friends-with-my-boyfriend's-ex situation going on. (I'm totally overinterpreting this, I know lol)

Yeah, probably over-interpretation, but I LOVES it!!!!

TBC
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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on May 11th, 2013 01:17 am (UTC)
Okay, I won't lie i'm completely heartbroken for Nina and Ian and i'm also completely confused because wasn't it like last week he was talking about his girlfriend to Paul openly at a con? Like what the hell happened? But I will also say Nina hanging out on the beach with her girlfriends all carefree and happy and relaxed made me think she was not really interested in having a boyfriend at all and was over the whole relationship idea, which again saddens me because they were both so genuine in their affection/love of each other and I honestly didn't think Nina was all that unhappy with the way things were going. i mean they live together for pete sakes! It's all just so sudden and a double clunker that it somehow came out a week before the finale and on the day of this episode. It honestly felt like it was less planned by Ian and Nina (because who would want to release info like that when your show and your romantic storyline with your boyfriend is coming to a head?) and more about the media blowing things out of proportion and putting Nina in a sticky situation, making her look a little heartless and Ian look completely diengaged from the whole thing. So...yeah it did take me out of this episode a bit...I hate to say it though because all I kept thinking about was the fact that these two actors may have just ended a long term relationship while their characters are just beginning their long term relationship. How crazy and awkward is that? I can only imagine the pressure and the heartache that will be inevitable when the two of them have to kiss again and make out and will probably have a sex scene or two next season. I know they're professionals but it's just awkward to think about and I imagine even more awkward to actually do. I just...I hope they find some way to figure things out because I fear for their emotional sanity next season...I really do.

Now onto the show! I did love this episode, even though i felt like I watching it through a haze because of what I wrote above. LOL!

But I actually enjoyed Stefan and Elena's interactions and I enjoyed Elena but MAN Nina has had to cry almost every episode this season it feels like. You know that's gotta be hard to come home and get out of that mindframe. She must have been really emotionally exhausted after filming this season. I thought she did a good job with the graveyard scene but her crying sometimes takes me out of the scene for some odd reason. I guess it's because I don't really see that many tears coming down her face and then I think she's not even really crying. I know it's weird. I think the best way to describe Nina's crying scenes to me is "actor crying" instead of really crying.

Damon and Alaric were awesome.
Steroline was once again awesome.
Lexie/Stefan were awesome
I really enjoyed Stefan this episode, even though I felt that he deserved that punch from Elena in that opening scene. He was just annoying with the whole "I know how you feel" stuff he was constantly saying.
Damon really was awesome and he took down Silas...BADASS!

Oh and bonnie. I'll admit i've never been all that interested in Bonnie in general. She's had some great moments for sure and I think she has a ton of potential but i've never really was emotionally invested in her character. So I wasn't all that interested in her scenes overall but OMG I CAN'T BELIVE SHE"S DEAD! LIke that's the only thing I can think about after the episode. SHE'S DEAD! I almost fell out of my seat LOL! So good job show for surprising me because...DAMN! I did not see that coming!
Arabian: Doylearabian on May 12th, 2013 05:49 am (UTC)
Regarding Nina and Ian -- with everything that's happened since (tweets from his brother, some friends, various other little things) I don't think they broke up. I think they are at the most on a break and by the time they get back to filming they'll be fine. There's just no way we went from these two madly in love a week ago to breaking up, boom, done, over! Plus, it has NOT been officially confirmed at all. Not by Nina, Ian, their camps or friends/family. So I'm optimistic that things will work out with them. :)

Now onto the show! I did love this episode, even though i felt like I watching it through a haze because of what I wrote above. LOL!

I really was surprised at how quickly I stopped seeing Nina/Ian in their first solo scene. By the halfway mark it was just Damon/Elena. So that was good. :)

But I actually enjoyed Stefan and Elena's interactions

Yup because every interaction just makes it that much more obvious that they are OVER.

I thought she did a good job with the graveyard scene but her crying sometimes takes me out of the scene for some odd reason. I guess it's because I don't really see that many tears coming down her face and then I think she's not even really crying. I know it's weird. I think the best way to describe Nina's crying scenes to me is "actor crying" instead of really crying.

Hmm, I've seen her with wet eyes and tears so I guess I don't notice when they aren't there? I don't know. I'll have to watch the graveyard scene before Kol shows up again to see if I don't see 'em.

Damon and Alaric were awesome.
Steroline was once again awesome.
Lexie/Stefan were awesome
I really enjoyed Stefan this episode, even though I felt that he deserved that punch from Elena in that opening scene. He was just annoying with the whole "I know how you feel" stuff he was constantly saying.
Damon really was awesome and he took down Silas...BADASS!


Pretty much --

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
HELL YEAH!

You know I love Bonnie so for me I was all WHU HUH!??!?! Personally, I'd love to see Damon give Elena the cure. Then she decides that she doesn't want it anymore, gives it to Stefan to take it himself, give it to Rebekah, whatever. She doesn't want it--which would also pretty much tell Stefan, yeah, I want to be with Damon and not go back to being a human which he thinks means she'd go back to him. And THEN they'll find out that Bonnie "died" and Bonnie will get the cure since vamps are dead, I guess that the cure brings dead people back to life? So it's possible. We'll see.

ETA: I just watched the graveyard scene and there are definitely tears. You don't see the big ones falling down until towards the end, but looking at it closely once she begins to cry you can see a streak going off the side on her left cheek that is hard to see in the darkness, but it's there. And because of the shadows and dark over her right you can't see anything there, but I'm willing to bet there are tears there because you see her eyes glistening and then towards the end of it, big, fat tears start rolling down her face.

Edited at 2013-05-14 04:12 am (UTC)
La vida de llorona: delenalaudanumdream on May 11th, 2013 02:22 am (UTC)
Brief comments:

Loved the Dalaric! Alaric seemed refreshed too. I wonder how Matt Davis's other show is doing. I see commercials for it, but have too many shows and other life things going on that I haven't actually watched it. I hope they keep him and Jeremy around for at least a little bit longer.

Speaking of Jeremy - so glad Elena got closure with him. Not only do I miss him, but I really was more annoyed with raging Elena than humanity-off Elena. I just want Elena back. I know there's the whole journey, and it's not about Nina's acting, but I was just like, "Huge eye-roll Elena... there are definitely bigger fish to fry here, girl" and so it was annoying me (probably like it was annoying everyone else who was trying to just find Bonnie). Anyway, I don't think I'm articulating it well enough.

That being said, she's all "Where's Katherine!" and I love how Damon just flat out told her that she's with Bonnie. Because he doesn't lie to her all the time, and his honesty is calming to her, I think. I like this whole turn of events with the cure - and that Alaric was the one to get it going.

I liked all the Rebekah/Matt moments - thinking I've turned another leaf with Rebekah.

BONNIE noooooooooooo! That's all I have to say about it. Well, that and "Did that just happen?" when it actually happened.

Good review (as always)!
Arabian: Elena05arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:52 am (UTC)
Loved the Dalaric!

How could anyone not?!?! They were perfection!

I wonder how Matt Davis's other show is doing.

TERRIBLE. THe ratings were horrific. It was pulled after a few episodes and has already been canceled. :)

I hope they keep him and Jeremy around for at least a little bit longer.

I don't know how they'd do it, but damnit, I want Alaric (and Jere) to stay!

Speaking of Jeremy - so glad Elena got closure with him.

Me too.

Not only do I miss him, but I really was more annoyed with raging Elena than humanity-off Elena. I just want Elena back. I know there's the whole journey, and it's not about Nina's acting, but I was just like, "Huge eye-roll Elena... there are definitely bigger fish to fry here, girl" and so it was annoying me (probably like it was annoying everyone else who was trying to just find Bonnie). Anyway, I don't think I'm articulating it well enough.

No, you are, I get it. And I think the writers realized it because we didn't even get a full episode of it. It was just to give us that bridge and Jeremy really was key, of course.

I liked all the Rebekah/Matt moments - thinking I've turned another leaf with Rebekah.

Yay! :)

BONNIE noooooooooooo! That's all I have to say about it. Well, that and "Did that just happen?" when it actually happened.

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: The cure. Personally, I'd love to see Damon give Elena the cure. Then she decides that she doesn't want it anymore, gives it to Stefan to take it himself, give it to Rebekah, whatever. She doesn't want it--which would also pretty much tell Stefan, yeah, I want to be with Damon and not go back to being a human which he thinks means she'd go back to him. And THEN they'll find out that Bonnie "died" and Bonnie will get the cure since vamps are dead, I guess that the cure brings dead people back to life? So it's possible. We'll see.

Good review (as always)!

Thank you. :)
jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on May 11th, 2013 04:37 am (UTC)
How is Bonnie going to come back??? There's no way Bonnie is dead for good.

RIC!!!!!!!!! I missed him so much!!!! The parallel with 4x02!!! Still emotional about it.

Rebekah can't leave MF, just when she is finally being part of the gang she will leave :(

Elena's scene at Jer's gravestone broke my heart. My bb girl had no strength to grief another loved one.

That Stefan and Lexi scene was so cute, when he says "Do not start", don't deny it Stefan, you're falling for her and I can't wait to see his reaction when realize it.


Arabian: Stefan & Caroline05arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:53 am (UTC)

How is Bonnie going to come back??? There's no way Bonnie is dead for good.

I think it could be the cure, maybe? I could see Damon giving Elena the cure. Then she decides that she doesn't want it anymore, gives it to Stefan to take it himself, give it to Rebekah, whatever. She doesn't want it--which would also pretty much tell Stefan, yeah, I want to be with Damon and not go back to being a human which he thinks means she'd go back to him. And THEN they'll find out that Bonnie "died" and Bonnie will get the cure since vamps are dead, I guess that the cure brings dead people back to life? So it's possible. We'll see.

RIC!!!!!!!!! I missed him so much!!!! The parallel with 4x02!!! Still emotional about it.

YES!!! I KNOW!!!!!

Rebekah can't leave MF, just when she is finally being part of the gang she will leave :(

This is why Matt MUST go with her. I REALLY hope the dialogue in the last couple of episodes has been leading up to this. I would love it SO HARD!

That Stefan and Lexi scene was so cute, when he says "Do not start", don't deny it Stefan, you're falling for her and I can't wait to see his reaction when realize it.

SQUEE! I KNOW!!!
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Kissfaith5by5_1013 on May 11th, 2013 05:08 am (UTC)
I can't remember the last time I cried while watching this show, but I cried when Alaric showed up. I really, really want him to stay! And I loved that he's shipping Damon/Elena.

I wasn't terribly impressed with Candice Accola's take on Silas. She just kinda slowed her words down and enunciated carefully. Eh, didn't work for me.

I liked it, but more because of how clearly she wasn't Caroline. Caroline has this manic energy. And the way she talks is definitely a part of that. So I appreciated that her take on Silas was more calm and controlled. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was enough of one for me.

There was a great moment right before that where Caroline's voice trembled as she asked Elena if she really meant the awful things she'd said to her and it was matched by Elena's shaking hand holding the dart. It was a small, but beautifully acted moment that highlighted the friendships that so permeate this show.

That moment hurt so much to watch.
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:55 am (UTC)
I can't remember the last time I cried while watching this show

I know I teared up when Grams died. And I think I teared up one other time, but for some reason, TV shows rarely make me cry. It's weird.

I really, really want him to stay! And I loved that he's shipping Damon/Elena.

I KNOW! ME TOO! SO HARD!

I liked it, but more because of how clearly she wasn't Caroline. Caroline has this manic energy. And the way she talks is definitely a part of that. So I appreciated that her take on Silas was more calm and controlled. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was enough of one for me.

I guess for me it's because I feel that the way Caroline talks is more how Candice talks (based on interviews and stuff), and this just felt so... actorly, I guess. I know it really worked for you, but it really didn't for me at all.

That moment hurt so much to watch.

Ack! I know! My bbs!
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tj2013tj2013 on May 11th, 2013 06:14 am (UTC)
OMG!
I could just watch your first gif over and over again. And this TEAM BAD-ASS IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woohoo! The crowd roars and cheers and begs and pleads, offering first born and all the riches in the world to Julie Plec so that Alaric never leaves Damon (and us) again! PLEASE!!! had me cheering!! Damon genuinely smiling - when did we see that the last time? I guess at the beginning of 4x08... they guy has gone through A LOT in the meantime, he really deserves some happiness (buddy back, if only temporarily, and getting the girl, yes, thank you, Ric!!!)

I loved this ep and everything you said about it. Even Rebekah's hair was better this time, LOL.

Ahem - about the cure. It is supposed to be a thousand years old, right? Why is it wrapped in plastic? Or is that supposed to be some kind of skin? Just wondering...

After the last two eps with the more underlying DE-feels it should definitely come to the forefront in the finale. Can't wait for that. I still remember the 2nd season finale made my summer, I loved Elena finally admitting to Damon she liked him - and look where they are now. Squee!!!
Hmph. I shouldn't get my hopes up too soon, I know, but if all that doesn't lead to a very emotional DE-Scene, I have been watching the wrong show...

I totally agree with one of the comments above about your fanfic and Matt/Rebekah - I thought "huh, I have seen THAT before", too. "Clapping hands and grinning".


Arabian: Matt & Rebekah01arabian on May 12th, 2013 05:58 am (UTC)
Damon genuinely smiling - when did we see that the last time? I guess at the beginning of 4x08...

Yup, that's why in my write-up above, I deliberately used that phrase "he's happy" when I described his smile. Aww, only Elena and Alaric can do that for him these days.

I loved this ep and everything you said about it. Even Rebekah's hair was better this time, LOL.

Yeah, but not by much. I want pretty Rebekah hair, dangit!

Ahem - about the cure. It is supposed to be a thousand years old, right? Why is it wrapped in plastic? Or is that supposed to be some kind of skin? Just wondering...

Probably some kind of skin.

After the last two eps with the more underlying DE-feels it should definitely come to the forefront in the finale.

Oh, yes, indeed!

Hmph. I shouldn't get my hopes up too soon, I know, but if all that doesn't lead to a very emotional DE-Scene, I have been watching the wrong show...

Exactly how I feel.

I totally agree with one of the comments above about your fanfic and Matt/Rebekah - I thought "huh, I have seen THAT before", too. "Clapping hands and grinning".

Cracked me up! LOL!
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2013 07:17 am (UTC)
Thank you for the recap, always a pleasure to read!

/ I have hopes for the finale, hopefully, it will play out as well as the rest of the season and we'll get some explanation for the sire bond in all its inconsistent totality, LOL!/

Well I see you already have been shown a part of JPs interview - so I'll add the rest which is about SB.

/"The sire bond let us have a supernatural reason -- and yes, albeit a controversial one -- but a very bold way for Elena to finally feel comfortable acting on these feelings that she's been struggling with now for a couple years. Without it she'd just have that confusion," Plec explains./

So my faith in fake SB has been crashed. It was real and I don't think they will give much explanation as to the way it worked and the payoff that we will get will be Elena saying - ILY, it was real - at max, imo. But considering this interview I think we might get also smth like - the SB repressed/lessened her epic love for Stefan somehow and if it was not for the SB - Damon would not get the girl but it is what it is.
I hate to be so negative but I'm extremally dissapointed in how they've handled SB on screen and I hate it and what it means in the light of this interview.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on May 12th, 2013 06:06 am (UTC)
Thank you for the recap, always a pleasure to read!

Thank you for commenting. :)

Well I see you already have been shown a part of JPs interview - so I'll add the rest which is about SB.

I read that part already too and it's just hogwash. Julie is a troll who trolls to troll, LOL! Seriously, she's THE worst when it comes to interviews. And this should put your mind at ease. Jose Molina (who will be co-running the show with Caroline Dries next season) was tweeted about Julie saying Elena was only with Damon because of the sirebond and that was gonna be revealed in the finale. He asked for a link. He was provided a link and his response to the article was basically: "Pfft, that's not a spoiler. Rolls eyes (literally did that part in the tweet, LOL) If you want to enjoy, watch the show. If you don't, don't want the show." And the tweeter's username was "Delenafairytale" so he knew it was a D/E fan.

Julie Plec is the one who talked up the HUGE S/E season 03 episode 11 non-stop during the winter hiatus. I remember this because I remember not being excited at all about watching it. She went on and on about it. Episode 11 of season 03 was the episode where Stefan threatened to kill Elena on the bridge where her parents died. Yeah.

Also remember, Julie gave an interview after episode 01 of this season saying that basically all of S/E's problems would be because she was a vampire. The next episode -- WHICH SHE CO-WROTE (with Jose Molina) -- featured Stefan and Elena having TONS of problems (lying to each other, pretending, avoiding each other, Elena hot for Damon, Stefan jealous of Damon) that had NOTHING to do with her being a vampire. Julie is a troll who trolls like a troll in her interviews. Worst PR person EVAR!

Her interviews are seriously to be taken with a grain of salt. Less than a grain.

So my faith in fake SB has been crashed.

I still desperately hope it's fake and revealed as such, but if they don't I will reason that it's to give S/E fans continued hope and towards the end of the series we'll get that reveal somehow (finding out a year down the road that Meredith didn't use Damon's blood to heal Elena would be HI-larious).

And one way to have Elena choose to be with Damon that has some good resonance would be if Damon gives Elena the cure. Then she decides that she doesn't want it anymore, gives it to Stefan to take it himself, give it to Rebekah, whatever. She doesn't want it--which would also pretty much tell Stefan, yeah, I want to be with Damon and not go back to being a human which he thinks means she'd go back to him.

I hate to be so negative but I'm extremally dissapointed in how they've handled SB on screen and I hate it and what it means in the light of this interview.

Again, this interview is bunk. And remember Elena wanted/loved Damon BEFORE she became a vampire. And Elena didn't actually choose to BE with Stefan, she chose to say goodbye to him. Then everything went topsy-turvy. I really think we're good. :)

Edited at 2013-05-12 06:08 am (UTC)
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on May 12th, 2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
Eh. To be honest I think a lot of the fandom have put way too much thought into the SB and have put all of these little details into it in order to make it more complicated than it really is. I think the show could have done a better job at actually defining how a vampire and hybrid sire bond differ ...for sure but I really don't think it's all that complicated. Damon tells Elena to do something and she does it whether she does it right at that moment, orrefuses to do it and ends up doing it anyway somehow even if her body actually makes her do these things. Oh and it creates loyalty to Damon meaning she'll go with him on whatever plan he has even if in the past she would have gone with her own plan because she didn't agree with his. So she may disagree with Damon's plans (like what we saw with the whole Jeremy debacle) but in the end she ends up going along with him anyway.

The sire bond created certain situations, like Elena not being able to feed on anything but human blood, it draws Elena closer to Damon despite her choice and herself and thus she ends up confronting said feelings for Damon whereas in the past she would have never addressed those feelings herself anytime soon...not while dating Stefan that's for sure.

So really all Julie is saying is that the sire bond was the catalyst to make Elena realize she loves Damon, but it didn't create that love, it just made her define her feelings for him by putting her in certain situations that draws the two of them together. Without the SB ELena would be a bunny eating human-acting vampire like Stefan and Damon probably would have left town and maybe in ten years or so Elena would be able to figure things out with Damon, but the show didn't have that kind of time, so they created the bond to actually make Elena define her feelings for Damon,.

The whole hallucination thing in 4.6 had the same affect...it was a catalyst in Elena actually dumping Stefan and choosing Damon. The SB was the catalyst to make Elena define her feelings for Damon, even if he didn't believe her.
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on May 13th, 2013 05:57 am (UTC)
And this is why I don't see it as that simple.

Damon tells Elena to do something and she does it whether she does it right at that moment, orrefuses to do it and ends up doing it anyway somehow even if her body actually makes her do these things.

There are TONS of things he told her to do that she didn't. Specifically.

Elena not being able to feed on anything but human blood

Damon NEVER told her she could only feed on human blood. NEVER! He said she had to drink from the vein (not human, just THE vein). When that didn't work by drinking from HIS (vampire vein), he brought her blood bags, thinking it had to be human blood then. Repeat: DAMON BROUGHT HER BLOOD BAGS totally assuming that they would work.

So that's why the simple answer doesn't work, because it hasn't been even remotely consistent at all... ever. And if it's not revealed as fake then they made a LOT of inconsistent errors NONSTOP during the entire sire bond story arc.

the sire bond was the catalyst to make Elena realize she loves Damon

Again, why it should be fake. Because what happened in 4.06 was the perfect, believable catalyst--no need for the sire bond... unless they are dragging out the Stefan-aspect of the triangle for as long as they can.

If it's not revealed as fake this season, I'm fine with it. Until the series is over. If it's not revealed as fake by the end, I will complain because it has been COMPLETELY inconsistent. There is literally NOTHING consistent about the sire bond as presented. At all. :shrugs:
vanimy: Elenavanimy on May 17th, 2013 09:59 pm (UTC)
I agree with a lot of things in your review except for Ric and Jeremy. While I was glad to see Ric back obviously, it didn't move me a lot, while the moments with Jeremy resonated the most to me. Seriously I was crying like Elena lol.

It's hard to comment on this episode without your review of the finale. Especially since I watched the two in a row myself so I have a hard time dividing the two in my mind. I also gave up on commenting on the other episodes because a lot of things have already been confirmed or infirmed since.

So I'm waiting for your review on 4x23 to be a little more talkative!! ;)

Just know I loved 4x22 and 4x23, LOVED THEM. :)
Arabian: Elena05arabian on May 17th, 2013 10:58 pm (UTC)
Well, I had all the Jere feels in the finale if that helps, LOL!

I know you say stuff has already been confirmed/said and done with the other episodes, but I REALLY want to hear your thoughts and your thoughts on my thoughts on 4.19 and 4.21, even with hindsight. Please!!!

I jotted all my thoughts down when rewatching the finale (I did love it--and it's better the 2nd time around), and I was going to work on my post now, but I'm so tired that I'm gonna sleep for about 30 minutes and then try and pull it all together. I imagine it will be long as my finale write-ups generally are, LOL!
(no subject) - vanimy on May 17th, 2013 11:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)