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25 April 2013 @ 11:55 pm
4.20 - 'The Originals' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I'll admit it, I didn't think this would be a bad episode, but I didn't think I'd be terribly into it. I was wrong. I quite, quite enjoyed it and I'm looking forward even more to the spin-off next season (assuming that it gets picked up, which I think it will).

MYSTIC FALLS --

Damon, Stefan and the torture of Elena. Look, I know it sucks and it's not something I'm looking forward to (because I don't like to see characters I love in pain), but I don't have a problem with it story or character-wise at all. And I say this as a HUGE Elena fan. I just don't think it's this awful thing to do to Elena because I believe it's what she would want them to do. Namely, anything and everything possible to get her flip switched back on. The heart of who Elena is lies with her humanity, her passion, her unending ability to forgive, to accept, to love, to empathize. That is what makes Elena Gilbert who she is, the person she wants to be, the girl that all of these people love and are willing to lay their lives down for. The Elena with her switch flipped off--while still Elena--is not the full entity of who Elena Gilbert is. With her switch flipped, she has turned off the key component that fully makes Elena... Elena. Her heart. So, absolutely, one thousand times, yes, Elena would prefer to be tortured and get back to her true self rather than live as she has been with her switch off.

Yes, Elena keeps saying over and over again that she doesn't want her switch turned back on, but it's NOT what Elena wants. And her loved ones not listening to that is not them ignoring her agency, it's them being true to who Elena fully is. And this is not Elena--the full package Elena. Again, Elena is empathetic, is caring, is compassionate and once her switch comes back on, it will be devastating to her knowing about not only the life she's taken, but how horrible she's been to the most important people in her life. Elena LOVES Bonnie and Caroline like they were her family and she LITERALLY tried to kill both of them.

This is NOT what the real, full Elena would want. Period. And if her loved ones didn't do EVERYTHING they could (including something that SHE was willing to go along with to bring Stefan's humanity back last year), she wouldn't understand it because as her loved ones they should know that she would NOT want to not care because CARING is at the heart of who Elena is.

Speaking of heart--the rug can certainly be pulled out, but it does appear as if Katherine meant it when she told Elijah that she loved him. She waited for him, she went to him and even after he was willing to give up the cure without buying her freedom she still wanted to be with him and go off on an adventure together.

And Elijah said goodbye. *sob*

Yeah, it was sad, but considering the circumstances, I was OK with it. Since Katherine is played by the lead actress on The Vampire Diaries whose lead character is actually not Katherine, while I'm sure we'll see Katherine and Elijah interact again in crossover episodes, there's just no logistical way that Nina Dobrev could appear regularly on The Originals (or whatever they wind up calling the show if it's picked up) so there had to be an end of sorts for Katherine and Elijah.

What I loved though is that it wasn't an end. Katherine and Elijah still clearly love each other. And it sure seems real on Katherine's part. It's just... *sigh* Family just comes first for Elijah and that's entirely understandable and totally in character. So I am OK with it... mostly because to me their goodbye was a pause, not a full-stop. And, hey, they still have eternity to get together for their time. It's something they both do want... even, especially Katherine. So it can totally still happen. I just love them so much!

     


Gah, and then that whispered "Katerina." Sigh. Oh my heart!

NEW ORLEANS --

I found it interesting that although Klaus is undeniably a villain, he's "our" villain and so I sided with him over Marcel. Even as Klaus was whining and throwing his Klaus-y temper tantrums, I sided with Klaus. And I enjoyed Klaus. All of him, from his trying to keep his temper under control, his confusion with how things were going down in New Orleans, his clear proud/envious feelings towards Marcel, his shock over Haley and the baby (!), losing his temper, his sibling interactions. Yeah, I pretty much did enjoy Klaus lots in this. He was still Klaus, but at the center of the show it was easier to feel for him more.

Oh, yeah, that baby (!) bit. Holy crap!! I'd been enjoying the episode up until that moment, but when that happened, I leaned forward, surprise and wonder running through me. AWE-SOME! I loved the twist, the loophole because it DID make sense. And while I'm still not Phoebe Tonkin's biggest fan--her first scene in the bar was rather weak--I actually did think she did a very nice job in that whole sequence with the witches, Elijah and Klaus. Also really nice was Klaus hearing the baby's heartbeat. Nicely powerful moment there.

ETA: There have been so many complaints about this (sigh), I'm going to address a few of the main ones.

1.) Klaus is "dead" so how can his sperm be viable?
2.) Klaus as daddy? BWAH! Bad comedy written all over it.

To which I say... Klaus isn't dead, technically he's undead. He has blood pumping through his veins, he can breathe, etc., so I don't see how the little guys working doesn't make sense either. I mean, really, none of it's real so you can play with the mythology all you want and they went with the werewolf dynamic paired with a werewolf girl. Worked for me. Now if they played the pregnancy/birth/baby for laughs, it would be a problem, but I don't see it playing out like that at all. And considering how time moves on this show, it won't be until the 3rd season that she actually has the baby... if she even does. She could lose it, but then it will be out there, the knowledge that with a werewolf female, Klaus (or a hybrid in general maybe) can conceive. And if/when a baby does show up, I highly doubt that The Vampire Diaries/The Originals will handle it the way just about any other show would. That darkness is knit into the fabric of the show.

I also loved all of the scenes between Elijah and Klaus. There were two in particular that I loved, the first simply for the opening exchange which was my favorite the episode: "What an entirely unwelcome surprise."/"what an entirely unsurprising welcome." Hahahaha! Loved it. The second was when Elijah was trying to convince him that this baby (!) was a chance for them to start over, and he got up in Klaus' face and there was this long pause and I KNEW that Klaus was going to say "no." And of course he did because anything else would have been out of character.

And then came the confrontation between Marcel and Klaus where Marcel claimed to be the King of New Orleans, and Klaus was able to bury any desire to not be alone (that the baby (!) represented) under the more Klaus-acceptable that an heir was needed if he was going to be king. Which I also loved by the way. Only an over-the-top character like Klaus could get away with saying "I want to be king" and have it work. And it totally did for me.

You know what else totally worked? Elijah and all of his awesome Elijah-ness. So smooth, so elegant, such a gentleman. Ah, he is perfection. It's the way that Daniel Gillies speaks, the careful precision of his pauses, his phrasing, the hint of emotion piping through every now and then. It's the way he moves with such grace and ease as if he has all the time in the world... which of course he does. Elijah, the gentleman vampire, I love him so.

RANDOMS--

- Not many of the New Orleans characters made much of an impression beyond Marcel. He's interesting; he can sing, is good-looking and to me I see him as the villain since he's "against" Klaus.

- I liked the set-up overall because it did feel like this was a long game that could easily be played out over the course of a series.

- I was happy that both Elijah and Klaus showed their dominance over everyone else because they should! They are Originals and so seeing them calmly take care of business in their own very different ways easily and cleanly was well-done. (As was Elijah's off-hand, 'oh, if Marcel is the problem, I'll just kill him, pfft.')

- I am intrigued to learn how Marcel could possibly be controlling the witches. Hmmm............

- So what's gonna happen to get Rebekah going to New Orleans? I completely get why she doesn't right now. After the way Klaus has treated her, not a surprise at all. So what's gonna happen? I really hope it's not repudiation from Matt or Elena. I'd like for it to be because Klaus actually does something to show Rebekah that he is redeemable, that Elijah is right and there is a sliver of humanity left, and that Klaus does indeed love his sister.

- Speaking of Rebekah, I was surprised there was so little of her in the episode. I thought she'd be joining them in New Orleans. *sigh* I know that all signs point to her joining the spin-off, but until it's absolute fact, I will still dream that she'll stick around in Mystic Falls. I know, I know, it won't happen. Double *sigh*

- Finally back to Elena. I couldn't help it, I laughed at Elena's "let's see who breaks first, me or you" as she looked calmly at both brothers. I know that I said above it's not the full Elena we have now, and I stand by that, but this is still a PART of who Elena is. The part that is strong, stubborn and completely and utterly take-no-prisoners-kickass.

- And on a more serious note, I did think it was interesting that she looked at Stefan last and I wonder if it's because she thinks (at this point at least) that Stefan is the weaker of the two? Hmmmm............

Phew, pretty dang short TVD post-episode write-up, but then this wasn't really a TVD episode now was it? Hmm, so the backdoor Pilot has come and gone. I liked and look forward to seeing more in New Orleans and the baby (!) news... next season in its own timeslot. Now I just can't wait to stay put in Mystic Falls next week! Still, yeah, I liked it. A LOT!
 
 
 
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on April 26th, 2013 04:18 am (UTC)
Her flip switched? So is Elena trading her forward flip for a backflip, or what? Ba-dum-dis. :P

Heh, sorry, I couldn't resist. But yes, I agree with pretty much everything you just said. (Why oh why can't Rebekah stay in Mystic Falls? :() Bravo, Miss Arabian - and bravo, show-makers. Looks like The Originals could be as amazing as The Vampire Diaries itself. :D
Arabian: Rebekah04arabian on April 26th, 2013 04:30 am (UTC)
I think we want the backflip, LOL!

Yeah, I was surprised at how great it was (when really I shouldn't have been). I am very interested in seeing where they go with this now though that is for sure!

Why oh why can't Rebekah stay in Mystic Falls? :(

Forever this!
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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on April 26th, 2013 04:53 am (UTC)
Hmmmm....well I didn't HATE it with a fiery passion or anything. LOL!

I don't know. I think the whole baby thing kind of threw me for a loop and it just gives me Twilight flashbacks and makes me think of Klaus changing a diaper or dropping the kid off at daycare while he plans world domination and kills 12 people in the process. it's just....weird to me and I wonder why Julie chose to go this way. Plus, it kind of doesn't make sense because at the end of the day whether he's a werewolf or not he's still dead and i'm thinking Klaus's little guys aren't really big on swimming since they're you know...dead and all. LOL!

Marcel I loved by the way.

I have never really been the biggest Elijah fan and as for Katherine and Elijah...i'm still kind of confused by their whole sudden dynamic. I think the writers are trying to humanize Katherine in order to balance out Elena's inhumanity at the moment and maybe even to lead up to Katherine actually wanting the cure for herself and not just for leverage against Klaus. It's all just very sudden and jarring since the bulk of Katherine and Elijah's story happened off screen.

Now as for damon and Elena and even Stefan goes....OMG I am so excited! I love the idea that Elena and Damon are essentially playing a game of who can break who first. It's such a cool twist to this torture plan and makes Elena not only a willing participant but strong and brave and also such a Petrova. Poor Damon is what I have to say to all of this, though I think he'll win this game in the end....he's smart and knows Elena pretty gosh darn well and he's emotionally stronger than Elena thinks he is. Damon and Elena know each other so well and they are going to emotionally and physically toture each other with that knowledge because these two have such an interesting and provocative relationship and I have a feeling the next episode is going to lay it all out there for everyone, including Stefan, to see. It goes a lot deeper than just sex and sire bonds with Damon and Elena. It's deep, fiery, painful, and most importantly wonderful. I am so excited to watch Ian and Nina at work and Damon and Elena go at it with each other in a game of wills.

You already know that i'm okay with the torture though it will be painful to watch Elena going through all of this while Damon watches the woman he loves feel such immense pain. I feel the boys are doing exactly what Elena would want them to do. Not that she deserves to be tortured, which a lot of the fandom is now saying when anyone says they don't have a problem with the torture, it's just this is what Elena would want and I love that the boys are willing to take it there because that's how far they will go. that's how much they love Elena and it's so in character for Damon to go to the end of the Earth for her even if she hates him in the end, even if it makes him the bad guy....he will do it for her.

So to sum it up: Klaus's baby? Weird The Originals? Has potential Damon and Elena? Awesomely painful Torture? Bad but understandable Katherine and Elijah? I don't get it.
Arabian: Elijah & Katherine02arabian on April 26th, 2013 08:08 am (UTC)
The baby thing didn't bother me because Klaus isn't dead, technically he's undead. He has blood pumping through his veins, he can breathe, etc., so I don't see how the little guys working doesn't make sense either. I mean, really, none of it's real so you can play with the mythology all you want and they went with the werewolf dynamic paired with a werewolf girl. Worked for me.

I don't know maybe Katherine/Elijah works for me so well because ever since I fell for them in "Klaus" when their love story of sorts was introduced, I've looked for and seen signs that it's still there, simmering under the surface. So while I would have preferred to see it happen, I can easily buy what they're selling because it's the same story I've been selling myself about them all along. :shrugs:

I pretty much agree word for word with everything you said about the trio. Yup. :)
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on April 26th, 2013 07:10 am (UTC)
It wasn't bad, I'll probably watch, but as I am terribly baby-phobic, the pregnancy storyline has the strong potential to have me running for the hills. I just wish we'd had a proper episode this week.
Arabian: Doylearabian on April 26th, 2013 08:11 am (UTC)
I think that if they played it for laughs, it would be a problem, but I don't see it playing out like that at all. And considering how time moves on this show, it won't be until the 3rd season that she actually has the baby... if she even does. She could lose it, but then it will be out there, the knowledge that with a werewolf female, Klaus (or a hybrid in general maybe) can conceive. And if/when a baby does show up, I highly doubt that TVD/TO will handle it the way just about any other show would.

I would have liked a "proper" episode too, but I look at this way. We normally only get 22 episodes. This was an additional one that had a few more scenes with our main characters, so I don't feel like we've lost too much terribly.

Edited at 2013-04-26 08:12 am (UTC)
woobloo: the twelve year old idiot shipwoobloo on April 26th, 2013 07:34 am (UTC)
Again, lo siento mucho for the mix up!

Hanyway....

I'm sorry, this episode was..... FUNNY. I MEAN FUNNY.

I disagree with you on this, because I thought it was kind of terrible, in the best possible way. I mean, I was laughing the entire way through.

I loved Marcel, and liked most of the other new characters.

But Klaus? THE BABY REVEAL? OMG what was that even?

I posted this over at Candy's too, but my my, funny stuff.





So that's what this episode was for me, tbqh; a crack!show. A baby!fic made canon! I mean, it seriously made my day.

But in all seriousness, I loved Marcel, so much so that I'll probably watch the show just for him. Also to keep the Originals off TVD; because, well, god love 'em, but they take up too much screen time.

In the five minutes we had Elena.... whoa. Chills.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with you at all about the torture thing. I think it's an interesting thing as long as the repercussions are properly explored, but I can't in any way condone it, just like I can't condone what went on with Caroline, Stefan and Damon in seasons three, three and one respectively. It's fascinating, but also terrible to watch, because Elena does not in any way deserve this; it's gross and awful and oh poor Elena.

But she isn't poor Elena, though, is she? She's so together, it's amazing, so powerful. Warrior queen.

There is not a 'real' Elena and an 'Elena with her switch off.' There is only Elena, humanity or no humanity, and she doesn't deserve to have her choice beaten out of her. Because it is her choice, to turn it on or not.

And did you see the extended promo? If not, I highly recommend. Because *chills.* Nina Dobrev is literally breathtakingly powerful. I couldn't believe what I was looking at. And it had nothing more than them trying to torture her, which, well, we already know.
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on April 26th, 2013 08:20 am (UTC)
I didn't think it was terrible at all. (Obviously as I said it was awesome in my post, lol). I'll just repeat what I said above in comments about it for me, the probability and the playing out of it.

The baby thing didn't bother me because Klaus isn't dead, technically he's undead. He has blood pumping through his veins, he can breathe, etc., so I don't see how the little guys working doesn't make sense either. I mean, really, none of it's real so you can play with the mythology all you want and they went with the werewolf dynamic paired with a werewolf girl. Worked for me. Now if they played the pregnancy/birth/baby for laughs, it would be a problem, but I don't see it playing out like that at all. And considering how time moves on this show, it won't be until the 3rd season that she actually has the baby... if she even does. She could lose it, but then it will be out there, the knowledge that with a werewolf female, Klaus (or a hybrid in general maybe) can conceive. And if/when a baby does show up, I highly doubt that TVD/TO will handle it the way just about any other show would. That darkness is knit into the fabric of the show.

Also to keep the Originals off TVD; because, well, god love 'em, but they take up too much screen time.

Except for Rebekah! I WANT REBEKAH TO STAY! But overall, yeah, I agree with this and so does Julie. She's made it clear that was one of the main reasons they wanted to do this spin-off. There is so much to do with the Originals, but then what about the core cast? So here we go, the best of both worlds. :)

RE: The torture, I'm not condoning. But then I don't think that Stefan, Damon, Caroline, et al. are condoning it either. I think they positively hate it as much as we do. But I understand it. They are desperate. The longer this goes on the more wrecked and destroyed Elena will be when she does come back.

Elena does not in any way deserve this; it's gross and awful and oh poor Elena.

No, she doesn't deserve it. But that waitress didn't deserve to die just so Elena could make a point. And Caroline didn't deserve to nearly die, nor did Bonnie, nor did April. But it happened. And it's going to KEEP ON HAPPENING because an uncaring Elena is awful. And it is gross and awful and poor Elena and every single one of our characters will feel that way.

There is not a 'real' Elena and an 'Elena with her switch off.'

But there is. Because Elena who she is at heart is ALL heart and without her humanity that heart is closed off. She would rather die than do what she's doing now.

Because it is her choice, to turn it on or not.

But that's the thing, right now they are living under the belief that it wasn't her choice to turn if off in the first place. So if that's not a choice that she would have made then knowing her as they all do--and they all do--and making the choice that SHE already made herself when in a similar situation (Stefan's humanity switch off, Elena went the torture route), they are making the choice that Elena would make.

Elena with her humanity off is not like the other vampires we've met with their humanity off. That is why they've been pushing over and over about her compassion, her empathy, her caring, etc. That constant trait of Elena's that we've seen over and over and over again on display. THAT is who Elena is. And with it taken away, a huge part of who makes Elena who she is, someone that she can be proud to be, someone that she strives to be, she is no longer completely Elena.

Not watching the extended promo. I'll just see it when I watch it next week. I'm really trying (failing a wee bit here and there, but trying) to avoid anything about an episode before it airs.

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(Anonymous) on April 26th, 2013 08:34 am (UTC)
I didn't really hate the episode, but I didn't really like it, either. I think that is because I really don't like Klaus. He's a whiny, tantumthrowing thousand-year-old teenager. I don't buy him being an Original.. He's no king, he never will be. Elijah is the king, period.

And the baby.. No, just no. I get the loophole, it makes sense, but I just wish they didn't go that way. It reminds me of Twilight (which I TOTALLY hate), and I think a baby doesn't have a place in a show like this.

That said, I love the power play Marcel and Klaus will have going on (I just wish Klaus wasn't such a teenage angsty brat about it). That's a part of The Originals I will love, if it gets picked up.

And Elijah/Katherine. Sad, but totally understandable.

Torturing Elena. *sigh* I still think they jumped to that way too fast.. but that's TVD, running through plots like crazy.

Anyway, I love reading your thoughts and I almost always agree, but not this time :P

Arabian: Elijah & Katherine03arabian on April 26th, 2013 11:41 am (UTC)
Well if you don't like Klaus, yeah, you probably wouldn't enjoy this one much, I can't blame you there!

I think a baby doesn't have a place in a show like this.

If they played the pregnancy/birth/baby for laughs, it would be a problem, but I don't see it playing out like that at all. And considering how time moves on this show (well, I'm assuming since they'll be crossovers that time will move as slow on TO as it does on TVD, LOL), it won't be until the 3rd season that she actually has the baby... if she even does. She could lose it, but then it will be out there, the knowledge that with a werewolf female, Klaus (or a hybrid in general maybe) can conceive. And if/when a baby does show up, I highly doubt that TVD/TO will handle it the way just about any other show would. That darkness is knit into the fabric of the show.

I love the power play Marcel and Klaus will have going on

Yes. Very juicy!

I still think they jumped to that way too fast.

I would agree had Elena not just tried to kill Bonnie and almost killed April. It was one thing with Caroline back when she first switched it off, but that she did it again almost a month or so later (trying to kill one of her best friends), it showed that she wasn't getting any better. I see them looking at it this way, if Elena were to succeed in killing Bonnie or Caroline or Matt, once her flip was switched, she'd probably go walking in the sun without her ring no question. So I don't think they jumped too fast.

Sorry the episode didn't do it for you, but again, no-likey Klaus? Gonna make it hard to like the episode for sure. :) I think it's awesome that you did find some stuff you liked in it though!
tj2013tj2013 on April 26th, 2013 03:17 pm (UTC)
I didn't expect too much, but I must say, I really liked the episode, the atmosphere in NO, the mythology of the city (as founded by the originals), it had a darker, more adult vibe, which I really liked. And I totally said out loud "No!" just before Klaus threw it into Elijah's face. Hah! And this is it, right? Klaus is essentially a villainous spoiled brat. And at the same time terribly alone. Interesting that Katherine pointed that out as a similarity between them. She totally gets him.
What was the phone call to Caroline for, I wonder? Maybe some crossovers of the characters? I think Julie hinted at something like that in one of her interviews.
The five minutes with Elena? Cool. Disturbing. Gave me chills and I really don't know what to expect from the next episode. I think they all will reach their deepest, darkest point of this season so far.
No Matt!!! I so hope for some Matt-Rebekah time before she goes off to NO. Please??????
And the goodbye (with the forehead-kiss) somehow reminded me of Damon-Elena in Rose. Similar angle, I think. Bittersweet and very touching. And yes, I understand why he is leaving. But still.... sob.

Liked your recap very much, as usual. You see the positive aspects overall and to read about them is extremely enjoyable.
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah03arabian on April 27th, 2013 03:46 am (UTC)
Yeah, the atmosphere was definitely more adult-ish than what we get in Mystic Falls, I agree.

Klaus is essentially a villainous spoiled brat. And at the same time terribly alone. Interesting that Katherine pointed that out as a similarity between them. She totally gets him.

Yup, yup, yup.

Re: Crossovers, Julie has stated emphatically (as has Caroline Dries who will be mainly in charge of TVD along with Jose Molina I believe) that there will be crossovers. I always expected as such. I'm personally hoping that we get more crossovers than we normally do with shows and their spin-offs. In the Entertainment Weekly article on THe Originals, Julie also said that the "connection" between Klaus and Caroline would continue as would the "romantic entanglement" with Matt and Rebekah. So the worlds of the two shows will definitely entwine. Which I'm happy about it.

No Matt!!! I so hope for some Matt-Rebekah time before she goes off to NO. Please??????
And the goodbye (with the forehead-kiss) somehow reminded me of Damon-Elena in Rose. Similar angle, I think. Bittersweet and very touching. And yes, I understand why he is leaving. But still.... sob.


Agreed all around.

You see the positive aspects overall and to read about them is extremely enjoyable.

Thank you. I've always been rah-rah-rah about this show, but I did have episodes in season 02 and 03 where I was frustrated and upset (but still trying very hard to be positive because of how much I love the show). I had that epiphany during the hiatus though so I've just been very hopeful and positive all-around about the show. I don't get the hate, I just don't. I love it so much.
Emily: TVDemofordino on April 26th, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
words cannot describe how much i ADORE reading your recaps of the episodes! i am so happy i stumbled across "become a better vampire" because i got an excellent story AND introduced to awesome, positive reviews of my favorite show everrrr. you find the good in whatever is happening, no matter how bizarre, and welcome anything that the writers introduce, even if it's not how you originally saw it happening. i have grown so tired of reading the same negative tear-downs of TVD, it makes me so sad to read everyone crap all over everything, elena and damon especially. plus, elena supporters/stans are a rare breed, and we must stick together. :)

anyway, i completely agree with your sentiments on this episode! the baby thing shocked the hell out of me too, because i didn't see that coming at all, but constantly being shocked is one of the reasons why i've stuck with this show for so long. i'm happy to see the originals get their own show, and i really hope it ends up getting picked up, but i can't deny that i'm a little glad to see them go! i'm not that excited to see elena get tortured, because like you said, i don't want to see my love get hurt, but i see it's got to happen, even if it ends up not working. it should at least put her on the right track to turning her humanity back on by season 5.
Arabian: Caroline04arabian on April 27th, 2013 03:49 am (UTC)
I'm so glad that you appreciate my love of the show. It's very disheartening to find so little love and so much complaint about it. I find myself staying here for my TVD talk period because I just don't get the issues people have with this show. It's just so freaking awesome!

In case you didn't know, the spin-off was officially picked up so yay. I'm glad because we'll be able to enjoy the Originals without it taking away from our MF folks!

I think the torture thing is going to play out not how people expect at all. But isn't that how it almost always happens on TVD? Oh yeah. :)
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE hand holding epiphanybadboy_fangirl on April 27th, 2013 01:46 am (UTC)
Jen, what is wrong with us? I mean, why is it that we can watch these things and just enjoy them so much while the fandom is having all these implosions? Do you think this is some sort of Twilight backlash, still? I mean, Klaus being an Original, Hayley being a werewolf, and the fact that there has never been this type of situation explored before--why don't more people find it interesting and intriguing instead of eye roll inducing and ridiculous? I mean, I think my idea of turning Damon into a hybrid was way more of a stretch than this, and people could swallow that because it's fanfic and it's frivolous anyway, I suppose, but I just think this makes so much sense! And I was surprised! I literally gasped out loud!

I get it if you don't care about Klaus and his story, but obviously we do, we're invested in him--like you say, he's "our" villain, and thus we want to see where his story is going, but just the overall bombastic attitude about the baby storyline is so surprising to me, though I'm starting to feel like I should stop being surprised at all the vitriol that follows each episode of this show!

I am super bummed about Elijah/Katherine, but agree, where else can they go with it? Either she dies or they break up--he chooses his brother over her, that's their only options, really. But storyline-wise it really gutted me. Ugh.

I'll just say that I think Elena's meaningful, last look to Stefan means she thinks he'll be the harder of the two. Damon's a marshmellow for Elena, and Elena knows that better than anyone (even though everyone else knows it, too. Poor Damon with his heart on his sleeve).
Arabian: Damon & Elena21arabian on April 27th, 2013 04:02 am (UTC)
Jen, what is wrong with us? I mean, why is it that we can watch these things and just enjoy them so much while the fandom is having all these implosions? Do you think this is some sort of Twilight backlash, still?

Nothing is wrong with us. We are awesome! We are actually watching the show as it plays out instead of jumping the gun on speculation or assuming the worst will happen based off of every plot twist. Seriously, this show is so freaking awesome and so true to itself that I just do not get it. UGH! I am at the point now where I'm not reading anything else except comments to my posts because I just can not with all of the hate anymore. It's ridiculous!

I have seen the Twilight stuff come up but based on the very little I know about it it's not the same thing and HELLO!??!!? How can anyone know anything about TVD and Twilight and not know by now that everything that Twilight does, TVD does a MILLION times better?!?! Geez! :Deep breath:

I mean, Klaus being an Original, Hayley being a werewolf, and the fact that there has never been this type of situation explored before--why don't more people find it interesting and intriguing instead of eye roll inducing and ridiculous?

I KNOW!!!! It's awesome. And people saying it doesn't make sense? Pfft! Klaus isn't dead, technically he's undead. He has blood pumping through his veins, he can breathe, etc., so I don't see how the little guys working doesn't make sense either. I mean, really, none of it's real so you can play with the mythology all you want and they went with the werewolf dynamic paired with a werewolf girl. Worked for me.

I literally gasped out loud!

I remember going 'ooh' and literally leaning forward paying such close attention. I was SO intrigued! I love it.

Elijah/Katherine... sigh. I know. If Elijah and Katherine manage to make it until the end of both series, I fully expect them to get their adventure, damnit!

Hmm, I see what you mean about Elena and Stefan and Damon's heart-worn sleeve. Yeah, you're probably right.
jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on April 27th, 2013 02:57 am (UTC)
Kalijah barely began and they are already over :(

OK, about the torture Elena thing, I wish they didn't do it, but they will. I think people have to realize that vampire morals are different, i'm not defending Damon and Stefan but I understand their motive.

I wasn't hooked about The Originals but I'll give it a try because I love watching the problematic siblings relationships and I loved Marcel. The good thing about the babywolf plot is that they aren't turning it into some love conquers all story, like, neither of the parts wanted it, it's going to be interesting seeing how Hayley and Klaus will deal with it.

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Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 27th, 2013 04:07 am (UTC)
I am sad about Katherine/Elijah, BUT I don't think they are over. Like I said it's a pause, not a stop. And if Elijah and Katherine manage to make it until the end of both series, I fully expect them to get their adventure.

For me it's not even about the difference in vampire morals (which I agree with you about), but it's also torture is NOT the same for vampires as it would be for us. Yes, Stefan opens the curtains and burns Elena's arm. OH MY GOD! It hurts so much, for two seconds. Then it heals and she's fine. Yes, it's terrible, but it's not the same thing as it would be for us. It's like vampires calmly snapping each other's neck, or staking each other when they're pissed. It's a different kind of dynamic.

I love watching the problematic siblings relationships and I loved Marcel. The good thing about the babywolf plot is that they aren't turning it into some love conquers all story, like, neither of the parts wanted it, it's going to be interesting seeing how Hayley and Klaus will deal with it.

Agreed completely. :)
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on April 27th, 2013 03:01 am (UTC)
I thought the episode was going to suck, and I agree it was pretty awesome. My thoughts:

Marcel has taken really good care of his teeth over the last 100 years... and he had really good teeth as a "scrapper".

I wonder which brother would be most likely to break first.

I really like Elijah and Klaus in this episode. These two aren't my favorite characters of the whole show, and I thought they carried the spin-off quite well.

Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on April 27th, 2013 04:11 am (UTC)
YAY! Someone else thought it was awesome. WHEE!

Hehe! Maybe he got a vampire-dentist to fix his teeth?

Oh, man, I don't know. I could see Damon breaking first because seeing Elena hurt would break his heart. On the other hand, I could see Damon not breaking ever because he loves her so much and is so determined to give her what he knows she totally would truly want.

You know Klaus isn't my favorite, but Elijah.... ah I have loved him from moment one. I'm glad that it's working for some who weren't big fans of both. :)
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faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Smilefaith5by5_1013 on April 27th, 2013 08:15 pm (UTC)
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it too.

I agree with your thoughts on the whole torturing Elena plotline. They're doing that for the real, whole version of Elena, who would absolutely want them to do whatever they had to do to prevent her from hurting anyone.

I also agree about this being more of a pause for Katherine and Elijah. He obviously wants to be with her, but, because of the type of man he is, he needs to take care of his family first.

I wasn't a fan of that baby storyline. I don't have a problem with the "how" (other than that loopholes in general usually drive me crazy). I just have never been a fan of that in vampire stories. It annoyed me way back when they had a similar thing happen on Angel (and I'm one of those people who pretty much thinks Joss Whedon can do no wrong). I'm willing to go with it and see how it plays out though. I imagine that they'll handle it well (I don't think Angel handled it badly either), I'm just not a fan of it showing up in the first place.

I do think a lot of the Klaus fans are going to be loving it later though. I imagine the sight of Klaus holding a baby will probably melt many a fangirl's heart.

The set up is very interesting (and has a lot of potential) and I'm sure I'll be watching The Originals.
Arabian: Elijah & Katherine03arabian on April 28th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm actually surprised that I was surprised because, come on, you know me and this show, LOL! But I guess it's because while I like Klaus, he's not a favorite of mine.

They're doing that for the real, whole version of Elena, who would absolutely want them to do whatever they had to do to prevent her from hurting anyone.

Yeah, and I honestly don't get why this is so not clear and obvious to people, especially Elena-fans. You claim to love the character, but you don't get that this is EXACTLY what she'd want her loved ones to do? Really?

RE: Katherine/Elijah... exactly. Honestly, I think it's simply all about the fact that Katherine is played by Nina Dobrev which makes it difficult logistically, but this set it up to show that Katherine and Elijah DO love each other, it's just not their "right now."

I've never had a baby issue in shows like others do, and I think that it REALLY can work for this character and this family. I mean I've talked about how love of siblings, love (or smitten-ness, LOL) of a girl isn't enough to get to Klaus, I could see a baby doing that. And it should be fascinating to watch. And as I said above, it wouldn't be until season 03 probably before she even has the baby. If she has it. It could just be used right now to open that door to Klaus' wanting. We'll see, I just know that I trust the people behind this show so I'm intrigued.
bangel_4e: lostbangel_4e on April 30th, 2013 02:47 pm (UTC)
I finally watched this episode!!

Now, the baby (!!!!!!!). At first, I felt like I was thrown in a Twilight saga kind of twist. But I actually find this development very interesting.
Werewolves can indeed procreate...I wonder why Klaus never thought about.I guess he had sex with vamps only until Hayley.
I don't know, I guess we'll see what happens. My friend told me this episode would be bad for Klaroline...I know she'll never, ever go on The Originals but the phone call at the end of the episode..eh, I don't know...I still hope for something later on...who knows.

And I agree about Phoebe, I don't like her acting but she did nice in this episode. And Daniel was fantastic, just perfect.

As for Rebekkah, I'd like her to stay in Mystic Falls with Matt but that's not gonna happen, isn't it? Eh, either way-...I'll be fine with everything.

kaherine/elijah...oh, my heart, these two. I love them so much. And I also think it's more of a pause than a break. And it does make sense with Nina Dobrev logistics.


I can't wait to see the next episode!
Arabian: Elijah & Katherine04arabian on May 5th, 2013 05:19 am (UTC)
I don't understand the Twilight complaint, LOL! Everything that TVD has done that is Twilight-like, TVD does a BILLION times better, LOL! Why would this be any different?

Werewolves can indeed procreate...I wonder why Klaus never thought about.I guess he had sex with vamps only until Hayley.

Exactly.

I know she'll never, ever go on The Originals but the phone call at the end of the episode..eh, I don't know...I still hope for something later on...who knows.

No, I'm sure we'll see her on TO at some point. I'm positive they'll do crossovers. And I'm getting a hopeful, sneaky suspicion based on the Matt/Rebekah scenes in 4.21 and a line from Julie about the finale that Matt/Zach Roerig might wind up going on TO. That would make perfect sense why Caroline, Elena, Bonnie would visit New Orleans.

And I agree about Phoebe, I don't like her acting but she did nice in this episode. And Daniel was fantastic, just perfect.

YES! I was pleasantly surprised with Phoebe Tonkin. Hopefully we see more of that as opposed to what I'm used to from her, and yeah, Daniel=Perfection!

As for Rebekkah, I'd like her to stay in Mystic Falls with Matt but that's not gonna happen, isn't it?

If Matt goes with her New Orleans (a grand adventure), I'll be SOOOO happy.

kaherine/elijah...oh, my heart, these two. I love them so much. And I also think it's more of a pause than a break. And it does make sense with Nina Dobrev logistics.

Yeah. Until Katherine or Elijah bite the big one forever, I will have hope for their reunion.
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(Anonymous) on May 4th, 2013 05:52 pm (UTC)
OK...I LOVED this. Like ADORED it. It pushed all my buttons repeatedly, and I am beyond excited for it in the fall!!! I'm amazed at the short-sightedness of fandom in terms of the Twilight comparisons with the baby storyline. The Originals was more like (what I understand of) Game of Thrones -- a powerful family with divided loyalties who all lust for power in some way and are seeking to rebuild their dynasty. By building alliances and infiltrating other "families" from within, they seek to bring their enemies down. This is seriously OLDSKOOL storytelling, and I love it!!! The disparate personalities of Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah are perfect to bring it to life.

I loved Marcel -- is there anything that's simultaneously engaging and frightening as a charismatic villain? (I can't believe this guy is from Grey's -- he was beyond boring there!) A worthy adversary for Klaus, especially one who kills with a smile (considering how much Klaus has parlayed fake contrition into getting what he wants).

And I love how working with the vampires will help give the witches the agency they've been denied under Marcel's "rule." It's a great way to make witches the "underdog," which is an unusual role for them, IMO. Loved the bartender (the scene with Klaus and the bartender was surprisingly touching).

I loved the darkness, the shades of gray morality, the questions of loyalty, power and family. Forget Twilight...Mardi Gras is Coming. ;)

-EO/ratingsgal :)
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on May 5th, 2013 05:21 am (UTC)
Aww, I love that you adored it. I didn't adore it, but I did love it lots. And for all the reasons you listed. Also, the Twilight complaint I'm seeing everywhere, I do not understand the, LOL! Everything that TVD has done that is Twilight-like, TVD does a BILLION times better, LOL! Why would this be any different?

Marcel was GREAT! Now that's how you do a villain!

The only ting I disagree with is that the bartender didn't do anything for me. In fact, the actress rubbed me a little wrong. Hopefully it will not last for me when the show actually starts.
Florencia: TVD (Klaus & Caroline) (Tomorrow)florencia7 on May 9th, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
I was surprised by how much I liked this episode. (I confess, I feared it would be terrible lol) It definitely exceeded my expectations. It was actually kind of fierce. Everything from cinematography through music to actors came together really, really well and I'm very interested to see where they will take the story.

"I found it interesting that although Klaus is undeniably a villain, he's "our" villain and so I sided with him over Marcel." - That's exactly how I felt too ^^ On the verge of feeling protective of Klaus! lol

The baby news did, um, catch me off guard (lol) but I quickly realized it all makes perfect sense for more than one reason, one of them being that every character on TVD has their Achilles' heel/Favorite "Thing", and in case of Klaus it's definitely family.

Now... if only Matt and Rebekah would move to New Orleans it'd be even more perfect ;D
Arabian: Matt & Rebekah03arabian on May 12th, 2013 04:30 am (UTC)
On the verge of feeling protective of Klaus! lol

Exactly, and it was weird, but felt right away from Mystic Falls.

Now... if only Matt and Rebekah would move to New Orleans it'd be even more perfect ;D

I still am really thinking it's possible now what with their discussions in the last few episodes. We'll see....