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20 April 2013 @ 05:13 am
4.19 - 'Pictures Of You' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The last hiatus of the season is over, and yay! The Vampire Diaries is back in my life. WHEE! As I mentioned yesterday, I was following the Boston Manhunt and so didn't put up my review. Well, the man has been caught, I've rewatched the episode and here is my review. It is long with LOTS of gifs.

And Caroline Dries proves once again why she is my favorite writer on The Vampire Diaries. There was literally NOTHING I didn't love about this episode. I thought it was great when I watched it Thursday night. When I rewatched it Friday, I realized that I had underestimated its awesome. It's actually pretty damn magnificent. For example… there was one scene that was a near-perfect microcosm of the entire dynamic of the triangle at this point in the game. One scene. Seriously, ya'll, if we'd gone from the Damon/Elena moment where he takes the flask from her into the Stefan/Elena dance, it would have been absolutely perfect.

That dance told us everything we need to know about where the parties stand right now. Elena is no longer in love with Stefan. That was clear. With her humanity off, she feels nothing for him. She is not moved in the slightest. You can see it (or rather you can't) on her face. The only time she appears to be falling for Stefan's tactile trip down memory lane is when she's looking at him, essentially waiting to drop the boom. We know this because when she's not looking at him, she looks practically bored.

On the other hand, Stefan (even before he told Caroline, thus verifying what we saw) is clearly still affected by Elena. So much for moving on, Stef. With every word, every touch, you could see him falling into the flashback of the way they were so that it was that much more powerful when Elena let him get so close only to cut him down with two words: "What heart?"

And then there is the third party in the triangle, Damon (who continues to wear his heart on his sleeve). Damon who is the one who still gets under Elena's skin (more on that later, I promise), and yet, he doesn't seem to get it because he no longer trusts his instincts, especially when it comes to Elena. And I think that getting Damon to fully deal with his insecurities is one of the main points (if not THE point) of the sire bond. Because now he has put himself on the outside all by his lonesome *because* of his insecurities and lack of faith in Elena's love for him. He still believes that it will always be Stefan for Elena.

And all of that was conveyed in that one single scene. Phew! Damn, I love this show.

Then another single dance scene gave us a hint of closure and opened the door a bit in the quadrangle that was essentially created in "My Brother's Keeper" where Caroline—because of her sire bond theory and Team!Stefan attitude—was inserted into the mix. In the scene where she and Stefan danced, for the first time, we heard her letting go. She calmly told Stefan that he and Elena "were in love"-- emphasis on were. With those words, she effectively put the Stefan/Elena relationship in the past for her. Caroline, the one who has been rah!rah!rah! for the couple going back the last couple of seasons, really hitting high gear the end of last season and this one big-time.

And further proof of that was the little moment that Damon and Caroline (yes, you read that right, *Damon* and Caroline!) had where they weren't fighting or bitter or snarking. Heck, they were even beyond civil, damn near commiserating. He gave her his flask, she said ‘thank you.' And to me it tied back to Caroline letting go of the idea that Stefan and Elena were still a viable thing. Once she let go of that, Damon was no longer the enemy. Although, I don't expect them to ever be bosom buddies, at least not in the next century, LOL. It just seems that in Caroline's mind, Damon is no longer standing in the way of a Stefan/Elena inevitability because that inevitability is gone. Then more than her putting Stefan and Elena in the past, there was that wee bit of a door opening I mentioned.

"I think someday you'll meet someone new and you'll fall madly in love and you'll have moved on without even realizing it." And then Caroline and Stefan looked at one another, lost in each other's eyes for just a teeny second before they both realized what had happened in that teeny second and each had another teeny second of whoah! reaction before looking away, just pretending it didn't happen. But you know what? That was an anvil, folks! Oh yeah, baby, it's GONNA happen! Uh huh!

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And, of course, taking all of the above into account you have the fact that even though Stefan admitted that he hadn't moved past Elena, it was clear that he wants to. He didn't argue or in any way seem bothered by Caroline's past-tense talk of his relationship with Elena. Plus, yeah, that *moment* they shared. (SQUEE!)

It also wasn't just from Stefan's end that we got acknowledgement that Stefan and Elena are no more and won't be again. When talking to Rebekah, I was struck by what Elena said to her when recounting the library events of "After School Special." Elena told her that Rebekah had "ruined my relationship with Stefan." Why it struck me is because at that point, Stefan and Elena were already broken up, so it wasn't that aspect of their relationship she was referring to. Rather, she was referencing the irreparable damage to their epic, inevitable love that many (including myself) believed happened in that episode. After what they both said, there is no going back. When Elena said that she was in love with Damon, but not in love with Stefan and that Stefan treated her like something that needed to be fixed that broke something inside of Stefan about the two of them. When Stefan told Rebekah that he wanted her to erase his memories of his time with Elena that in turn broke something inside of Elena about them. And Elena's simple line here just confirmed that for me.

However, that doesn't mean that Stefan realizes it completely or that Damon is aware at all (as he wasn't privy to what was said that day other than Elena's love for him). And this is where Damon's insecurities continue to cause problems. Because he doesn't have faith in he and Elena (bad Damon!), he's quick to believe that what Silas says to him as "Stefan" is the truth. And on top of that because Stefan and Damon have been so awful to each other for so long, with Stefan choosing to take digs that feed Damon's insecurities, it was entirely believable to Damon that every word out of his mouth was Stefan. And not only Damon. It was entirely believable to me as a viewer—one who even loves Stefan bunches—because Stefan does and has said shit like that to Damon before.

Here's where it gets interesting (OK, more interesting). Since we know that Silas just had come from Stefan (thus seeing into his mind), it's perfectly logical that what Silas said as "Stefan" was brought on not only by Damon's thoughts ("you have a dark and riveting mind, Damon"), but also by what he gleaned from Stefan's thoughts. Uh huh.

So then what did Silas say to Stefan? I thought at first that the show was just picking one brother to not spoil the surprise!Silas for both and Damon was chosen to keep his insecurities at the forefront. I still think that was key, but I wonder if there's more to it though because it was brought up again later. We know that Damon lied so presumably Stefan did too, which makes me go hmm… was there something that Silas got from Stefan's thoughts that may have some bearing on Stefan later down the line? Hmm………

Then we have a lovely parallel. The Vampire Diaries loves those, and boy, so do I. At the end of "Miss Mystic Falls" (coincidentally—or not!—the first episode co-written by Dries who, again, co-wrote this one), Damon and Elena conspired to vervain Stefan and lock him in the basement cell. The same thing happened here with Damon and Stefan doing similar to Elena. The difference is that when Elena remained behind in "Miss Mystic Falls" as Stefan did here and Damon asked if he was "Coming?" Elena stayed then, and Damon joined her. Here after Damon said "Coming?" Stefan said "Yeah" and then walked away from Elena. I found it interesting and yet another sign of just how things have changed between Stefan and Elena quite dramatically.

Speaking of Elena being locked in the basement cell… remember all those times when we've seen Damon do the hero-carry with Elena and what it rather signifies? Well, Stefan got to carry Elena this time… *but* we only saw him putting her down as opposed to the "hero" part of the hero-carry which is the lift and carry part. (And, yes, I'll remind ya'll here that we HAVE seen Stefan do the hero-carry with… Caroline—even if it was all the way back in season 01 episode 09). Oh, and "The Sun Also Rises," co-written by Caroline Dries (damn, I love her) featured not one, but TWO Damon hero-carry moments. Yeah. Uh huh.

The issue here though is that Damon can't accept that he is Elena's hero. Because of the sire bond, he's questioning his instincts, what do to, what choices to make. Instead, he's following Stefan's lead because he thinks that Stefan knows Elena better than him, can better take care of her. (Which is utter bullpucky by the way.) Remember in "Into the Wild" (ahem, written by Dries) where Damon told Elena that the life she wanted was with Stefan, not him. This is where his head is right now. He's not right for her, he's not what she really wants. It's not real, it's not right between them. What she really wants is Stefan and Stefan has the history, Stefan knows her better, blah, blah, blah. It's all nonsense, but Damon is so screwed by the implications of the sire bond that, again, yeah, he does not trust what he and Elena have. Instead he's putting it all in Stefan's hands which I believe is a mistake.

Think about it. If Damon had taken her to New York just to have fun without the judgment as he told her, it probably would have worked. She was having fun; she was open to him, open to the experience. It was only when she found out he was playing the cure-game, that she turned on him. And I think that in this episode, if he hadn't vervained her, but had taken her somewhere for just the two of them to relax, calm down, that might have started to work on her switch.

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Elena cried for Damon when she was in pain, lay in his arms, held onto him, and even after it stopped turned to him. And the look on her face before Stefan vervained her… arggh! It was so frustrating because there was *something* there! He should have just whisked her away before Stefan made his move, but noooooooo… Instead, Damon is doing what Stefan suggests and Stefan sucks at doing what's best for Elena (or anyone else really… except for Caroline. Because they are PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER, OK!??!).

Damon gets under Elena's skin still, even with her switch off. He annoys her, and gets her revved up. She is constantly trying to keep herself in check when it comes to him. See?

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Note in the second gif the difference in Elena's expression. When she's looking at Damon, there is emotion on her face, when she turns and faces Stefan, she's blank once more. With everyone else Elena presents non-stop coolness, an aloof, I-don't-give-a-fuck-bitchery without batting an eyelash. (Oh, and it's hella hilarious, I don't care. I kept inappropriately laughing throughout most of Elena's scenes in this episode.) What she said to Damon was just par for the course with Elena in this episode, although it was the worst. She used what she knew to try and wreck everyone's night, or at least make them feel a little miserable and worthless.

With Bonnie, she smilingly pointed out that yes, it was all Bonnie's fault which is Bonnie's biggest guilt right now. She stole Caroline's prom dress (and I'm sorry, but I'm glad, it looked way better on her than it did on Caroline) because the perfect prom needs the perfect dress and that would ruin Caroline's night. She poked at Matt toiling at the Grill and brought up Vicki's death. For Stefan? She made him think just for a second that St. Stefan to the rescue and talk of their epic twu wuv would work before basically saying 'sucker!' and walking away

And Damon. She hit hardest with Damon, playing on his insecurities about her love for him and she was most cruel to him because she wants him to stay away. She continues to just be closer to the full-package Elena with him. When he took the flask from her, the flash of her eyes, the sputter when he called himself her boyfriend, her "I'm not doing this," rolling her eyes and trying to walk away before delivering that blow. All of her actions/reactions were so much more non-switched-Elena than we've seen since… oh, Elena with Damon in New York before she realized that he was still trying to get the cure.
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He gets under her skin. He is the only one around who is still capable of making her care. Not around, of course, but there is still Jeremy who gets to her too even though she's in full denial mode (switch off or not, this *is* Elena, queen of denial). Interacting with Damon, reeling from Bonnie's witchery and looking at the picture of Jeremy were the only times we saw Elena truly react. I think that when it comes down to it, her humanity switch will be flipped due to some combination of Damon and Jeremy. I have no idea how, but that's what seems to make the most sense to me considering how they are playing this.

I can't see how Jeremy (a memory, a hallucination, the veil drops and he returns, something) won't play a part, but I also don't see how Damon doesn't as well. Because again, right now, of those there, he is the only one who makes her feel which scares Elena because she doesn't want to flip that damn switch. So of course the cruelest thing she says is to him. He's her weakness.

But you know who doesn't really have a weakness right now? Freaking Bonnie Bloody Bennett! I mean, dayum! But first… tears! Oh my goodness! My single favorite shot of the episode was this first moment below:

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And then Jeremy (!) showed up and she saw him and teared up and I was all ‘ohhh, awww!' Jeremy! My feels! Jeremy and Bonnie! So many feels! My sunshine and rainbows, puppies and kittens couple together again. Dancing in the moonlight, her in her beautiful dress, he in a tuxedo and he was beautiful and she was beautiful and they were beautiful and I loved it.

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And then it wasn't Jeremy. Of course not. But it wasn't even a Jeremy hallucination. Nope, it was fucking Silas. Damn you, Silas! But, oh, I love you Steven R. McQueen. Aside from the return of the pretteh to my screen (seriously, after Damon, Jeremy is so my favorite eye candy on this show), I thought that McQueen was excellent. Once "Jeremy" began speaking as Silas (when he said "do you want this to be real?" and from then on), McQueen's voice was different. There was the slightest hint of an accent, but more than that, there was a maturity, a wisdom in how he spoke that was awesomely done. He completely separated Jeremy from Silas. Really, really great job.

But back to Bonnie. Who is awesome. And like whoah! Powerful. Totally resisting Elena's attack with zero effort, pulling away from a neck-sucking, then breaking Elena's bones, giving her the witchy mind-whammy over and over again, dayum! And what is up with her blood, yo? Elena not only reacted negatively to it, she was vomiting it up. And there's Bonnie in the mix of it all, cool and confident and hella scary.

Oh, oh, oh and I continue to love her interaction with Damon. He was completely comfortable with her, calling out "Damnit, Bonnie!" not in anger or in a threatening way, but in a pleading, familiar way. And when she found out about Silas looking like Jeremy, she went straight to Damon with the information. Because Bonnie and Damon have that kind of relationship now which is cool.

Also cool is Bonnie as Prom Queen. And I get it. And Matty, the former quarterback, all-around good guy, yeah, totes makes sense there. I admit I was a little confused at first, but after thinking about it, of the characters, she makes the most sense. She *is* a cheerleader and isn't a control freak (like Caroline) and out of it most of the time or a total bitch now (like Elena and/or Rebekah), plus her dad is mayor now. She's pretty, has a sense of humor, and is a total sweetheart. Yeah, totally makes sense.

Which leaves me with one final Bonnie thought? So is the Prom Queen gonna bring down the veil and let loose mucho plenty supernatural creatures back among the living? I think she has a plan (or at least one in mind) that will dispose of Silas, but not lower the veil. However, it will somehow fail and the veil will fall which will lead to the return of some supernatural creatures (paging Jeremy and Alaric!), but our gang will figure out how to close it before that many of them make it through. We'll see.

Then there's Silas. First off, dude, they so need to come up with a code word among them so they're no more Silas!Shapeshifting!Shenanigans. As of this episode, though, I'm totally cool with the lot of them being fooled. I didn't think anyone was stupid about not thinking it might be Silas, even Elijah. Until it happens to you, you'd totally think that YOU couldn't be fooled. Plus, this is new information to all of them so it hasn't quite properly sunk in. So, yeah, I was fine with it. These characters, even the Originals, make many mistakes and aren't Machiavellian evil geniuses to be able to figure out every move before it happens.

And Silas has been around a while, he's got moves. He's also… a freak? As in the technical term: (An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity.) OK then. Gonna need to see, hear more for further thinky-thoughts on that. Hmm….

Another freak, albeit not in the technical sense, is Klaus. Dude. During my season 04 fic ("How To Make a Better Vampire – 24 chapters, it's complete, check it out!), I got some comments from people who insisted that Klaus deserves love, and I'm sorry, but nope, not yet he doesn't. He treats his siblings like CRAP! Denies them what they want most, puts his wants and desires above theirs every time, threatens to make their lives miserable… and that was all in this episode! That doesn't count the many times he's staked them, left them in boxes for long stretches of time. He's an ass and treats everyone else around him assily.

Unless you're not family of course. He's been way nicer to Stefan than any of his brothers, and of course, when it comes to Caroline, he's the nicest we've seen him capable of being. Take that scene with him and Tyler. Yes, of course, being me, I really wanted him to rip Tyler's heart out so I could be done with him, but I completely understand why he gave him five seconds. Klaus and Caroline are in a much better place in their "relationship" right now and after she actually came to him for help (even for a dress), I can understand him not wanting to immediately screw her over. After all, she isn't a family member, so her feelings count.

Klaus, Klaus, Klaus. Hollow life, indeed, my beloved Elijah. You nailed it, boo.

Speaking of… oh, be still my heart. Elijah about Katherine (or rather, his Katerina): "I would ask that you provide me with this opportunity to feel, to care... to love." OH MY HEART! One thousand years and Katherine really is IT for Elijah, isn't she? God, I love that. I just wish that things were, erm, better for them. Now Katherine didn't seem horribly pissed about his whole not giving Klaus the cure to free her in her letter, but she didn't seem uber-betrayed either. Yeah she'll be more on guard with him when next they see each other, but hopefully we will still see the love there! Which better be this season, PLEASE!

Obviously, Katherine has to have a bug or something in Klaus' house, right? How else could she know that Elijah refused Klaus the cure and Klaus refused Katherine her freedom? And if she does have a bug, hey, maybe she heard what Elijah said about her and that's why she's not uber-betrayed-sounding… so there's hope? Yes/yes?

What there is no hope for is for Katherine to ever pursue a career as a writer because, dang, was that a cheesy-ass letter. "Rattle you so deeply to your core? I've worn down too many good heels running from you? With love and hate?" Oy vey. Purple prose. Bad jokes. Just not good, Katherine. Well, I figure there had to be at least one thing she didn't have a talent for, lol!

Oh, Katherine. You were my ultimate vampire diva… until Rebekah. I love Katherine dearly and get a huge kick out of her every time she's on screen because, let's face it, Katherine is pure awesome, but I don't really like her and I think she's a heinous bitch who treats everyone less than, not to mention how badly she's hurt Damon and Elena (AND KILLED JEREMY FOR GOOD!) so often. Rebekah, on the other hand, oh how I adore her and everything she chooses to be. Every horrible thing that Rebekah has done has been out of misguided love or protecting her family and loved ones. And I just felt so much for her in this episode (although to be fair, I pretty much always feel so much for Rebekah). Her desperate desire to be human, to be good touched me and it made so much sense (and hopefully helped those who didn't get it before) as to why she's glommed so much onto Matt.

Matt Donovan represents the best of humanity to her. When she was telling Klaus that she was acting perfectly human by saving April, it revealed that her idea of human is Matt, that kind of person. And I love that about her and I love that she sees that in Matt, how "beautifully human" he is. Awww! I just loved it.

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And then their final scene had me squeeing almost as much as their scene of perfection in 3.19 ("Heart of Darkness"). The teasing, the smiling, the soft eyes and looks, the laughing… ah, I don't want Rebekah to leave Mystic Falls! I want Matt and Rebekah, pretty, pretty please!!!

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Phew! Yeah, I thought this would a long one. And we're not done yet… random stuffies-time!

- So that opening scene with Bonnie at Jeremy's grave had me all teared up to begin the episode with… and then Jeremy appeared! Oh my, break my heart, show, just break my heart to bits! And then make me go whoah! when Bonnie awoke and found her surroundings on fire. Oh, you in trouble, gurl!

- Aww, the boys throwing football. Brotherly bonding.

- Oh my goodness! Elena and Rebekah are roomies! I so ♥ that beyond measure! I hope that even after Elena gets her humanity back, whatever happens with The Originals, that we still see some of this friendship between Elena and Rebekah because as I had hoped for (going back to their interaction in "Homecoming") they make awesome besties!

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- Damn, Rebekah's courtyard with the pool is GORGEOUS! LIKE WOW!

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- Ian Somerhalder in a tuxedo. Thank you, show.

- Hah, Caroline considering not having the perfect prom dress the height of an emergency, so Caroline.

- "Caroline's been working on this for a while..." then Stefan provided details. Aww, he knows that about Caroline and cares enough to have been paying attention. Squee! Yes, fine, it could have been part of getting Elena's humanity back, BUT if she had been working on it for a while, it had to have come up before the plaaaan.

- Uhm, that shot of Caroline and Matt getting caught was from "The House Guest" when Elena walked in on them kissing in the girls' bathroom at the Grill. How is there a picture?!?! Hello, guys, you have some eagle-eyed fans, uh huh!

- I LOVED that bit of Caroline walking into the dance, looking around and just smiling with delighted pride. Love my girl.

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- Once again, Stefan makes it clear that he actually doesn't like to dance with Elena, but is all 'hey, Care, let's dance!'

- Steven R. McQueen in a tuxedo. Again, I thank you, show.

- Heh, I still love that Rebekah and April are friends.

- I still think that April Young is way importante, no clue how, but I think she is. (Or maybe they are just setting her up for next season?)

- Ugh, Tyler. (I don't think that was the reaction they wanted, LOL). *sigh* I'm hoping that this was just a nicer closure for him and Caroline and that he's gone for good. (PLEASE!)

- So Katherine has a seal with her initial on it? Or Klaus has one and Katherine chose to use it because it's the same initial? Either way, it's hella hi-larious!

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- Damon talking about Stefan's hair, hah!

- Episodes 19 of this show are special to me because each season has given me AWESOME couple stuff (or even made me ship a new couple), but this one? Whoah! It was was something *really* special.

- 1.19 ("Miss Mystic Falls") – the Damon/Elena dance

- 2.19 ("Klaus") – the Katherine/Elijah ship set sail for me

- 3.19 ("Heart of Darkness") – the Matt/Rebekah ship set sail and, duh, uber-awesome Damon/Elena make-out in the motel walkway

While this episode didn't have anything HUGE for any couple, it did feature something for all five of my couples on this show. Elena feeling for Damon when no one else gets to her, Stefan and Caroline's dance, Caroline's speech, their moment, Rebekah and Matt's dance, "beautifully human," their teasing and his apology. Even if it wasn't Jeremy, still the stuff with Bonnie was beautiful, and finally Elijah expressing his love for Katherine. Couple-wise, this was a pretty damn awesome episode. Of course, overall, this was a pretty damn awesome episode.

Yeah, baby!
 
 
 
hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on April 20th, 2013 10:24 am (UTC)
Prepare to be shocked Jen!

I know we disagreed some in the past but this time I have no disagreements. I loved this episode and I think you should be glad that you are ignoring the spoilers because the PR department in charge of TVD should be fired. The ratings were among the lowest ever for the show and I think it's the direct fault of promotion. They released bunch of spoilers that baited SE and triangle in general that it made me put off and I know a lot of people didn't watch it live for this reason. I didn't but because I was tried and it airs 2 am my time! :) My point was that this episode was great and it had awful rating because the PR department thinks "the triangle of doom" as I heard it referred to, is a market gold but in actuality people are so tired of it that it puts them off the show. i think current triangle dynamic is fascinating but the way it's marketed to me makes me want to barf.

And LOL! I think the dress looked way better on Elena than on Caroline and stand behind the fact that Elena did her a favor by stealing it! The cream/white/whatever the color dress looked way better on Caroline. Klaus should quit his villain ambitions and become designer or stylist, he's much better at it!!! :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena23arabian on April 20th, 2013 12:09 pm (UTC)
Actually I knew about the PR (stupid tumblr! I swear I'm just not going on there until the season is over and I'll stop once spoilers start, gah!), although I didn't read the articles, I got enough of a whiff to know what it was all about. (I originally had a line about the stupid promotion in the post, LOL!) However, I disagree that it's the triangle that's the problem, but rather it's the simple fact that at this stage of the game Damon and Elena are MUCH more popular than Stefan and Elena. It's not even close. (Every recent poll I've seen with the two against each other is generally in the 70/30% range and I'm not exaggerating.) I looked at the ratings for the last four episodes (since the return from "Stand By Me") and every episode dropped in ratings from the week before... except for one.

"Because the Night" is the only episode that rose in the ratings. And that episode's promo featured Elena telling Damon she'd never done it on the roof (implying D/E sexytiems!) and them kissing. The promo for this episode--which matched last season's series low in the all important 18-49 ratings--featured a getting close Stefan/Elena and all of the press for the episode centered on how bad things were for Damon and Elena. That is why I think the ratings blew. :shrugs: What can you do? The CW PR department SUCKS.

I feel bad for Julie because she clearly didn't want this; it's not her call. She has nothing to do with the promos or how the articles are written up, and she specifically noted in her twitter that shippers basically need not fear anything re: Elena and their couple in this episode. Which was true. There was no new information delivered, just confirmation on what we already know.

But yeah, it sucks, because the episode was magnificent and yet the PR presented it as something else--that the majority of viewers don't want to see (S/E close or, yes, the triangle pushed to the forefront).

Klaus should quit his villain ambitions and become designer or stylist, he's much better at it!

LOL! I didn't like the second rounded thingie on the bottom of Caroline's dress, but other than that I thought it was really pretty. I liked all of their dresses actually and that hasn't happened before!

Edited at 2013-04-20 12:24 pm (UTC)
Bogwitch: TVD - Punk Damonbogwitch on April 20th, 2013 10:39 am (UTC)
I wasn't that enamoured of this one, though how much of that was the terrible trouble I had with the livestream, I'm not sure. Bring back the punks in New York! I actually find tuxedos nearly as big a turn off as sandals (the ulimate passion-killer), regardless of whether they have Ian Somerhalder in them. But then the punks turn me on.

Cute as he is, I found Jeremy most attractive when he'd just died. Hmm.

Not that I am any judge, as Prom is as much an exotic cultural concept to me as hakas or head hunting (we had a dinner and disco), but although Bonnie is all those things you mentioned, she still feels like an odd choice for Prom Queen to me.

Caroline walking into the prom with the perfect Princess Grace (how does she know who she is anyway?) hot dress... and no one notices! Or comments.

Tyler was a yawn, agreed.

>>I still think that April Young is way importante, no clue how, but I think she is. (Or maybe they are just setting her up for next season?)

I totally agree. Though I can't see how at this point how she can be for next season as the show seems to be cutting a lot of what tie the characters and the show with Mystic Falls itself (the Gilbert house, Jeremy, Carol, the founding families, the town council, something else that might be a spoiler. I don't know anyhing, but I think Liz, the Boarding House, the school and the Grill are all potentially in danger of the chop somehow (particularly the first two perhaps)). If Jeremy was still alive, then I could see the show running plots in two locations, with the girls in Whitmore college and the town carrying on, but now not so much (or at least not those two locations). April herself is not important enough to carry that alone. I wonder what she is for?

Oh and lol, another reference to The Cure by the title and the cover version used in the show, plus the last time they were used was at the last season 4 dance (even if it was cancelled), both the dances which Rebekah has managed to attended. She won't be getting the cure though.

Edited at 2013-04-20 11:01 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon16arabian on April 21st, 2013 01:28 am (UTC)
It honestly might have been the bad stream. I've had that happen to me before and it has effected enjoyment. It was just such a strong, beautifully crafted episode. And, yeah, gonna have to disagree about the tuxedos. Give me a good-looking man in a tux over punk rock gear any day. I do agree with you about the sandals though, ugh!

although Bonnie is all those things you mentioned, she still feels like an odd choice for Prom Queen to me.

I think maybe because it's so unexpected in tv-land. Of course the blonde will win, or the show's heroine. But not on TVD. Just like Caroline unexpectedly (and so fairly) won Miss Mystic Falls, it makes sense when looking at what we know of the characters, that Bonnie would be the most likely one to win... so she did.

Caroline walking into the prom with the perfect Princess Grace (how does she know who she is anyway?) hot dress... and no one notices! Or comments.

Well, we just saw her walk-in, none of her friends/peeps were around then, considering how the scenes played out, I buy that it happened just not in those scenes we saw. As for Grace Kelly--an American actress who married a prince? A fashion icon? There's no way that Caroline DOESN'T know who she is. None. If Klaus had mentioned her and Caroline had been confused, I would have called foul. No way she doesn't look up to Grace Kelly.

Tyler was a yawn, agreed.

When I rewatched the episode, it was literally the only scene I had zero interest in rewatching.

I don't think the show is cutting Mystic Falls out. It's a huge part of the show, the town itself. In fact, remember, they made up Whitmore college as the one that Jenna went to because they wanted a college that was close and thus an easy drive. I think the Gilbert House was about Elena letting go of the past, and Jeremy is still a question mark until whatever happens or doesn't happen with the veil. Carol, I think was all about Tyler and the end of his story rather than Mystic Falls related.

I can't see the boarding house going away. Damon and Stefan still live there. Once her switch is flipped, I imagine Elena will be back there. And if Jeremy returns, he can stay there too. As little as we see the high school now, even with Jeremy (and April, if they're going with her next season) still attending it, we'd just see a few scenes here and there at the school with them, but most of their scenes wouldn't be related to school. Which would be no different then what we've seen for the last few seasons.

The Grill has Matt (and if Jeremy returns, him too), as well as it would continue to be a great meeting place for characters. And I don't want to even think of losing Liz! If we did though (sob), I could see Caroline moving into the boarding house as well. "Bring It On" might have been foreshadowing for that--Caroline at the boarding house, and Elena threatening to kill Liz.

April herself is not important enough to carry that alone. I wonder what she is for?

I wouldn't consider her important enough to carry anything on her own. Without Jeremy, I think we just wouldn't see April at school probably. But honestly, I think her importance has to do with this season, with Silas, the veil, and all of that introduced in the premiere and if we see her next season, it will be as recurring (possibly with something starting up with Matt--even though I love him and Rebekah, she is leaving for TO).

Oh and lol, another reference to The Cure by the title and the cover version used in the show, plus the last time they were used was at the last season 4 dance (even if it was cancelled), both the dances which Rebekah has managed to attend. She won't be getting the cure though.

Hah, yeah, this! Hee, The Cure. I love this show!
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on April 20th, 2013 01:44 pm (UTC)
Part 1: First of all the world needs to get their shite together because wow when most of Boston is on lockdown you just know it's time for us to take a step back and look at ourselves. GEESH!

Anyway onto this lovely show...I know this was already mentioned but you would not believe the crazy shenanigans that were created from the media's fanbaiting of this episode. Holy Baloney...CRAZINESS! I mean people were going to give up the show. Fans were absolutely enraged at Julie and Caroline Dries. I swear I thought someone was going to burn down Julie's house and post a sign that says: "We hate the triangle love the fandom." This was all because most of the media outlest went on and on and on about the importance of the SE dance and how hot it was and how much Elena hurts Damon and that he'll hate this school dance and OMG so freaking dramatic they made it and of course most of the fandom flipped out either because they get to see a "sexy"(and that's really how the media described the SE dance) moment or you were freaking out because once again Damon gets hurt. Once again here we go with SE...it's 3.14 all over again. I mean the media riled the fandom up so bad that Julie had to tweet and tell us that Elena is horrible to everyone and to not get your expectations up too high, which was obviously a reference to the SE side of the fandom. There were boycotts for heaven sakes and it totally ruined the ratings and people's enjoyment of an actually good episode of TVD. This entire week was an example of why this fanbaiting the media does is the worst thing about this show. It just needs to stop. Period. Especially when this episode wasn't really about SE's epic love at all. This episode was about what gets to Elena and WHO gets to Elena and how far she's falling and how these boys are despearate to try and help her. Fanbaiting=ruining the show

I love your love of this show! I also love this show!

I loved this episode and I hated this episode at the same time because...IT HURTS! Everything just hurts! I felt bad for Elena, not because she was the nicest, sweetest person ever, but because in this episode she's being bad and snarky but she doesn't even seem to enjoy it anymore. It seems to me she just can't stop herself. There's not glint in her eyes, like there was in NYC, there's just deadness. It made me sad. Then you have practically all of her friends that she's known for so long turning their backs on her and claiming Elena dead as a doornail and walking away. I mean I can understand why they are stepping away from her, she's hurting them and really what else can they do? Oh and by the way all of this is happening whiel Elena is at her high school senior prom. Ugh! I want to crawl in a hole...this poor girl! But still...oh the pain of seeing how alone Elena is except for Rebekah and really the brothers. I know she finds them annoying but she only finds them annoying because they won't leave her alone. They won't give up and that hurts too because no matter what you may think about Stefan and Damon and the triangle...I don't think anyone can say that these boys don't love Elena....because they do and they are hurting with her. They are despearate to try and do anything even if it mean putting their hearts on the line only to get shot down in the worst way possible. I'm looking at you Damon.



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Arabian: Elena07arabian on April 21st, 2013 12:56 am (UTC)
Wow, I didn't know that they were touting the S/E dance as super hot and being a big deal. How stupid! I mean, the dance meant nothing to Elena, and it just showed Stefan even more that although it's hard he needs to move on. And, honestly, Elena's had much harsher words/moments for Damon in the past, and dude, her humanity is off so it so was not a big deal. Stupid media (although, after reading the e!online article earlier about the episode, I'm thinking that it was probably Carina at her fan-baiting best--man, I can't stand her).

I was on tumblr earlier in the Nian tag only, and don't ask me why this post was under that tag but I had to crack up at an S/E fan smugly saying that D/E fans shouldn't be surprised at what Elena said to Damon since S/E fans have been saying all along it's just the sire bond. Seriously, they're not even watching the actual Damon/Elena scenes, are they?

I love your love of this show! I also love this show!

Back atcha! :)

RE: Elena--and this is why I say that Damon gets to her because you can see that glint in her eyes in a few of the gifs up top when she's interacting with Damon. And it's ONLY Damon that gets that from her. As for her friends turning against her, it's interesting when you see how they have turned against her so quickly, it kinda puts how non-forgiving they were to Damon forever in perspective.
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on April 20th, 2013 01:44 pm (UTC)
Part 2 because I have THOUGHTS LOL!

After reading your review I also want to put a spec out there that really has no backup or anything...I think both Damon and Stefan got it wrong at the end of this episode. I don't think it was fear that triggered something in Elena. I think it was Damon's love that triggered something in her. I think she'd been feeling things for him in particular through most of prom and she hated every minute of it and she pushed it down but when she was in Damon's arms and he said so lovingly, "I got you" I think her heart lept despite herself and THAT was the reason for the look right before Stefan vervained her. It was all Damon and not really fear, but it makes total sense and is in character for both Damon and Stefan to rely on some radom emotion like fear instead of Elena actually loving Damon because really....to both boys Elena could never love Damon that much...that was partly the bond....or course it was all the bond right? Oh boys...

Speaking of the bond...there's a chance Elena spit out Bonnie's blood because the bond took affect because of Elena's feelings for Damon. Damon did tell Elena to not eat the prom queen and that's what she was doing. It makes sense for the show to bring back the bond as we're headed into the home stretch to the finale. They haven't really dealt with it completely and Elena and Damon need more reasons to pursue the cure. The bond makes sense. Plus, it's a way to show Elena feelings for Damon despite herself.

Oh and Caroline and Stefan were PERFECTION! While Caroline and Tyler were dull as dishwater. Praying for a good Tyler-kill in the finale so Caroline can be free to help Stefan move on from Elena in any way she possibly could. Hint, hint.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline05arabian on April 21st, 2013 01:01 am (UTC)
I think it was a combination, Elena's fear of being take out lowered her guard and being in Damon's arms helped to bring her feelings for him to the fore.

I don't believe the sire bond is real so I don't think that it explain Bonnie's blood. I think it's about her power and the expression. I'm sorry, but for me, absolutely NOTHING about the sire bond makes sense. All it is is inconsistency.

ETA: I was thinking on this more and realized that it can't apply. Damon told her NOT to eat the prom queen. She ate the prom queen. With the animal blood, he told her she wouldn't be able to hack it basically. (Blood bag doesn't apply because he didn't tell her she couldn't keep the blood bag stuff down, he actually brought her a blood bag to drink from!), Oy vey, the sire bond just can't be real... zero consistency. Z-E-R-O.

Caroline and Stefan were PERFECTION!

Oh, yes!

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Frust-sheep: misc: I <3 my fandomfrust_sheep on April 20th, 2013 02:39 pm (UTC)
I always love your episode reviews! Oh I have so to agree on all what you said, but especially to this: "Couple-wise, this was a pretty damn awesome episode." :D Ok, I have to go and squee again. *LOL*
Arabian: Damon04arabian on April 21st, 2013 01:01 am (UTC)
Thank you! And I'm glad you loved the episode as well. :) And, yeah, couple-wise, it was AWESOME!!!!
faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Damon/Elena: Kissfaith5by5_1013 on April 21st, 2013 02:10 am (UTC)
I agree that the Stefan/Caroline relationship is going to happen. And whether or not I'll end up shipping them will probably have a lot to do with how the writers handle it. I'm a big fan of the "slow burn" thing with ships (most of my favorite fictional couples take a few seasons to get together) and one of my complaints about quite a few of the relationships on this show is how quickly the characters jump into new relationships and insist that they're in love. I get it. They're teenagers. But it doesn't allow me to really believe it. So, I'll probably be more likely to love them together if they keep slowly building towards it and it doesn't seem super-sudden.

it was entirely believable to Damon that every word out of his mouth was Stefan. And not only Damon. It was entirely believable to me as a viewer—one who even loves Stefan bunches—because Stefan does and has said shit like that to Damon before.

It was entirely believable to me too. I was surprised that it was Silas.

Elena cried for Damon when she was in pain, lay in his arms, held onto him, and even after it stopped turned to him. And the look on her face before Stefan vervained her… arggh! It was so frustrating because there was *something* there! He should have just whisked her away before Stefan made his move, but noooooooo… Instead, Damon is doing what Stefan suggests and Stefan sucks at doing what's best for Elena

I agree completely. And I did squee over her crying out for him.

I'm sorry, but I'm glad, it looked way better on her than it did on Caroline

That dress looked amazing on Elena.

He gets under her skin. He is the only one around who is still capable of making her care. Not around, of course, but there is still Jeremy who gets to her too even though she's in full denial mode (switch off or not, this *is* Elena, queen of denial). Interacting with Damon, reeling from Bonnie's witchery and looking at the picture of Jeremy were the only times we saw Elena truly react. I think that when it comes down to it, her humanity switch will be flipped due to some combination of Damon and Jeremy.

I agree completely with this!

I got some comments from people who insisted that Klaus deserves love, and I'm sorry, but nope, not yet he doesn't.

I get that. I think, more than love, I'd like to see Klaus find redemption. I want to see him change and I think he's capable of it. I think, for him, love will come after that, if they do give him a redemption story.

Rebekah, on the other hand, oh how I adore her and everything she chooses to be. Every horrible thing that Rebekah has done has been out of misguided love or protecting her family and loved ones. And I just felt so much for her in this episode (although to be fair, I pretty much always feel so much for Rebekah). Her desperate desire to be human, to be good touched me

I love Rebekah too and this is a huge part of why I love her!

Ugh, Tyler. (I don't think that was the reaction they wanted, LOL).

I don't think it was the reaction they wanted, but it was the reaction they got from me too. I do hope that, if he's not gone for good now, he'll be gone for good soon.
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on April 21st, 2013 04:58 am (UTC)
It seems like they're going slow burn, though. Their friendship really began in season 02 and they had moments in season 03 before reconnecting again this season. And after nearly three seasons, we just get that moment, the first overt S/C-ness of it all. So yeah, I definitely think they're going slow burn.

That dress looked amazing on Elena.

It so did!

I get that. I think, more than love, I'd like to see Klaus find redemption. I want to see him change and I think he's capable of it. I think, for him, love will come after that, if they do give him a redemption story.

I agree, he needs redemption before love should enter the picture, and I think with him being the lead of the spin-off, that show will be his redemptive story.

I don't think it was the reaction they wanted, but it was the reaction they got from me too. I do hope that, if he's not gone for good now, he'll be gone for good soon.

Apparently there's some contract dispute going on, so maybe, just maybe this was it for him?! One can dream.
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La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on April 21st, 2013 02:58 am (UTC)
You touched on all the points I was going to make, so I'll just add to your commentary:

Then we have a lovely parallel. The Vampire Diaries loves those, and boy, so do I. At the end of "Miss Mystic Falls" (coincidentally—or not!—the first episode co-written by Dries who, again, co-wrote this one), Damon and Elena conspired to vervain Stefan and lock him in the basement cell. The same thing happened here with Damon and Stefan doing similar to Elena. The difference is that when Elena remained behind in "Miss Mystic Falls" as Stefan did here and Damon asked if he was "Coming?" Elena stayed then, and Damon joined her. Here after Damon said "Coming?" Stefan said "Yeah" and then walked away from Elena. I found it interesting and yet another sign of just how things have changed between Stefan and Elena quite dramatically.

I was actually thinking about that first scene and how Damon sat with Elena. I was expecting it to happen with them, and it didn't. I like your perspective on it.


Unless you're not family of course. He's been way nicer to Stefan than any of his brothers, and of course, when it comes to Caroline, he's the nicest we've seen him capable of being. Take that scene with him and Tyler. Yes, of course, being me, I really wanted him to rip Tyler's heart out so I could be done with him, but I completely understand why he gave him five seconds. Klaus and Caroline are in a much better place in their "relationship" right now and after she actually came to him for help (even for a dress), I can understand him not wanting to immediately screw her over. After all, she isn't a family member, so her feelings count.

I don't know how I feel about the spin-off yet. I'm not a fan of them in general, and I felt like the only scene I liked with Klaus in it during this episode was when he was laughing because Caroline didn't have a prom dress. That was really the only scene. I generally like Klaus (in that I like Joseph Morgan), but he was pretty annoying and classic whiny Klaus for the majority of his parts in the episode. That being said, I expected as new "friends" Klaus was going to show up with Caroline and try to sabotage Rebekah, and that didn't happen.


What there is no hope for is for Katherine to ever pursue a career as a writer because, dang, was that a cheesy-ass letter. "Rattle you so deeply to your core? I've worn down too many good heels running from you? With love and hate?" Oy vey. Purple prose. Bad jokes. Just not good, Katherine. Well, I figure there had to be at least one thing she didn't have a talent for, lol!

I almost expected her to finish her letter with "XoXo Gossip Girl" (a show I do not watch and do not care to watch, but it was just SOOOO cheesy)


And I just felt so much for her in this episode (although to be fair, I pretty much always feel so much for Rebekah).
I know you love her, but I'm just really not feeling the Rebekah vibe since like, forever... and I think it's because I find her whiny just like Klaus is whiny. They're a bunch of little kids sometimes... that being said, I REALLY felt for her this episode. I think she pulled a "Bonnie" in my book. For the longest time I just couldn't seem to like Bonnie at all, and then something happened - I can't remember when it happened, and now I love Bonnie. I even went back and watched the first three seasons over (I do that when I'm grading papers over a long break) and felt much better about Bonnie when I did that. Perhaps one day, I'll feel the same for Rebekah. Really solid acting this episode... so much that I knew it was Silas the minute she walked up to Elijah because she wasn't going to put on that much of a front after what had just happened.


While this episode didn't have anything HUGE for any couple, it did feature something for all five of my couples on this show.

Maybe they were trying to make it a Tyler/Caroline reunite sort of thing.

Great review!
Arabian: Elena08arabian on April 21st, 2013 05:02 am (UTC)
I know we have different views on the Originals. I thought I'd like Finn a lot, but after his first brief appearance, I wasn't impressed. Esther was a cold-hard bitch, LOL! Mikael was pretty bad-ass, I liked him. Kol could have been great, but my goodness, Nathanial Buzolic was just dreadful. Elijah, I adored from moment one. Rebekah, I adored from moment one. Klaus took about a season and a half to grow on me, but he's still not one of my favorites. I really like him, LOVE some of his moments, but I don't LOVE the character. With that said, I do think the spin-off will be good, and I'm looking forward to it.

I almost expected her to finish her letter with "XoXo Gossip Girl" (a show I do not watch and do not care to watch, but it was just SOOOO cheesy)

I admit I watched the first 2 1/2 seasons... soooooooooo bad, but it had a few really great characters. But to point, yeah, SO cheesy!

now I love Bonnie. I even went back and watched the first three seasons over (I do that when I'm grading papers over a long break) and felt much better about Bonnie when I did that. Perhaps one day, I'll feel the same for Rebekah.

Oh, I hope that happens for you too with her. You know how happy I was when you said you love Bonnie now! :)

Great review!

Thanks and I liked reading your thoughts too. :)
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tj2013tj2013 on April 21st, 2013 07:29 pm (UTC)
I loved the episode, too. Your recap nailed it down perfectly, as usual, and I love reading your super-long posts as well as the shorter ones :-)
The couples - awesome except for Forwood. Tyler can go. For good. Wouldn't miss him. I am really sorry to say that because I kinda liked Tyler in Season 2 and 3. Oh well.
I don't watch spoilers so I didn't expect anything huge on either part of the DE/SE front and as a result I loved every second. Sure, Elena was cruel (hm, maybe not cruel intentionally, more like bored, as you also noted), but it simply made good drama and was fun to watch.
I would so like to know what Silas said to Stefan, I also think Stefan was lying to Damon about it. Or at least omitting the interesting part, LOL.
Sirebond? So not real. And you know what? If that would be revealed at the end of the season,now that would make my summer hiatus more than bearable. They have 4 more episodes to prove it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena24arabian on April 21st, 2013 10:56 pm (UTC)
I've never been a Tyler fan, there were periods here and there where I felt for the character, but Trevino the actor just never connected with me.

Apparently spoiler-free was the way to go for this episode as they did a lot of stupid D/E are doomed! S/E are hot! things apparently. Didn't match at ALL with the episode. Stupid promo/spoiler monkeys.

I would so like to know what Silas said to Stefan

I hope we find out.

You know how I feel about the sire bond and it's lack thereof, oh yeah!
ext_1767872 on April 22nd, 2013 08:51 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for your great recap... a very insightfull point of view. It gives me a little hope, because lately season 4 was very hard to endure.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on April 22nd, 2013 10:13 am (UTC)
I think that season 04 has been AMAZING. If it continues this way, it will be my favorite season so far. I don't know if you've read my past write-ups, but you can find links to all of my episode reviews (and other TVD stuff) here. Maybe it will make you feel better about the season. For me it's completely laying the groundwork for endgame Damon/Elena and the end of Stefan/Elena. I am just adoring it. And the Elena and Damon character stuff separately has just been brilliant.
archangel_blood: D/E sinner like mearchangel_blood on April 22nd, 2013 01:40 pm (UTC)
Another strong episode, seriously, I love this season.

I have to admit, all that talk of supposedly “hot” S/E moments I kept seeing prior to the episode had me confused, and slightly bummed. As much as I find this couple repulsive and offensive, it was not the idea itself of them having hot scenes together that made me uneasy, but the fact that it just doesn’t make sense at all at the moment. Not with where these characters are, not with the triangle standing where it does. Frankly, any mention of rekindling of their romance would have looked like fan service for distraught and desperate S/E fans, and not an organic, natural part of the narrative. I simply abhor the thought of having TVD and fan service in the same sentence, so yeah, I was anxious to see what it was all about.

I actually let out a completely undignified giggle when I saw that dancing scene; I guess it was part relief that my show is indeed as good as I give it credit for, and part the fact that Elena looked this close to yawning. Seriously, Stefan was all sensual mumbling and smoldering, and she was like “I wonder if “Hart of Dixie” is on tonight.” Dude. lol I’d feel about as tall as a garden gnome after that if I was Stefan.

This aside, I think when it came to things that actually matter to Elena (:D), the episode did a great job of showing over and over again how she has to constantly keep herself in check and remind herself that she’s not supposed to feel. Including Damon. Especially Damon.

I don’t really have anything to add regarding Damon and D/E, I completely agree with your thoughts. Her reactions, where she was not supposed to react at all, speak for themselves. And Damon/insecurities is an actual thing that exists; shame for the shitty ship name potential though. Insecumon or Decurities?

I kept inappropriately laughing throughout most of Elena's scenes in this episode.
Yes, I had way too much fun with her bitchiness. The delivery of “Thank you, I stole it” had me cackling for some reason.

I loved Bonnie, all Elena and Rebekah’s scenes together, and I also loved both Stefan/Caroline and Klaus/Caroline. Damn you, Caroline, for turning me into a multishipper.

Still not feeling Matt/Rebekah though. I don’t know why, they’re just not doing anything for me?

Oh, and Damon continues to be a beautiful, beautiful man, what else is new?
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on April 22nd, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
Another strong episode, seriously, I love this season.

Anybody bitching about this show is just looking at the single episode of scenes for "their" couple and not actually paying ATTENTION to the scenes. The bitching I read about this episode pre and post (especially post) was just mind-boggling. And apparently the D/E fandom decided to boycott the episode live watcihng. For the love of.... ugh!

I have to admit, all that talk of supposedly “hot” S/E moments I kept seeing prior to the episode had me confused, and slightly bummed.

Me too because I did hear that (and also about the doomsday horror of D/E), and I actually didn't watch the dance the first time I watched the episode, just looked away. BIG MISTAKE! I forced myself to watch it since I'd noticed Elena reacting in the D/E scenes, and boy was that dance a kick after watching it. Because, yeah, practically yawning indeed!

This aside, I think when it came to things that actually matter to Elena (:D), the episode did a great job of showing over and over again how she has to constantly keep herself in check and remind herself that she’s not supposed to feel. Including Damon. Especially Damon.

Yup, yup, yup. THIS!

Insecumon or Decurities?

I'm going with Insecumon, cuz if you're gonna go bad, go all the way, LOL! But yes it really is all about his insecurities now.

I loved Bonnie, all Elena and Rebekah’s scenes together, and I also loved both Stefan/Caroline and Klaus/Caroline. Damn you, Caroline, for turning me into a multishipper.

Still don't ship K/C, but I do enjoy their scenes... waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than her and Tyler. Please to being gone for good now!

Still not feeling Matt/Rebekah though. I don’t know why, they’re just not doing anything for me?

Honestly you know what a big Matt/Rebekah fan I am and these were not my favorite scenes with them. I liked moments, but overall, they weren't OOMPHY enough to get a ship going. Of course I think that's because it wasn't about the ship, but about Rebekah and her wanting to be human.

Oh, and Damon continues to be a beautiful, beautiful man, what else is new?

*sigh*
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bangel_4e: harrybangel_4e on April 23rd, 2013 02:19 pm (UTC)
memory lane is when she's looking at him, essentially waiting to drop the boom.</i>

This. I just rewatched that scene in better quality than the night it aired and I noticed that too. The only times she appeared to be feeling something was when she looked at him just waiting for more words and stuff about past. It's like she feared what he was going to say. And even if she did felt something and we're deadly wrong (but I don't think so), she's allowed to still feel something dancing with her ex..it's Stefan for her and their relationship was important to Elena..so either way, I'm not worried.
And I've read some comments above about S/E fans claiming this was a hot dance and stuff..honestly, people see what they wanna see.it's their ship, they're gonna be biased. And as for them believing Elena actually meant those words she said to Damon about the sire bond..lolz..that just makes me laugh cause at that point, one has to be delusional to say stuff like that. But who cares :)

Damon who is the one who still gets under Elena's skin (more on that later, I promise), and yet, he doesn't seem to get it because he no longer trusts his instincts, especially when it comes to Elena. And I think that getting Damon to fully deal with his insecurities is one of the main points (if not THE point) of the sire bond. Because now he has put himself on the outside all by his lonesome *because* of his insecurities and lack of faith in Elena's love for him. He still believes that it will always be Stefan for Elena.

100% agree on everything.

She calmly told Stefan that he and Elena "were in love"-- emphasis on were. With those words, she effectively put the Stefan/Elena relationship in the past for her. Caroline, the one who has been rah!rah!rah! for the couple going back the last couple of seasons, really hitting high gear the end of last season and this one big-time.
YAYYY! I loved that moment and of course I loved everything about Stefan and Caroline in this episode. That little moment when they shared a look, ARGGJHGFHG! I want these two so bad together and I hope they're gonna make it happen. This scene was lovely. I definitely want more!


It was entirely believable to me as a viewer—one who even loves Stefan bunches—because Stefan does and has said shit like that to Damon before.
while I do understand this, I thought it would be weird if Stefan said that in that precise moment, when they were trying to make Elena feel and they had bonded at least a tiny bit about that. I mean, I thought it was too harsh from Stefan's part right now. But in other moments, totally believable.

We know that Damon lied so presumably Stefan did too, which makes me go hmm… was there something that Silas got from Stefan's thoughts that may have some bearing on Stefan later down the line? Hmm………
I read that too somewhere...I hadn't thought about it, to be honest..until someone mentioned it. I'm very curious now, if Stefan was indeed telling the truth or not...I choose to believe not at this point (which would be great), but I guess we'll see.

arggh! It was so frustrating because there was *something* there! He should have just whisked her away before Stefan made his move, but noooooooo
Oh, that look...Nina mastered it beautifully and it lasted a split second..I even missed it watching it live cause the streaming sucked. But I rewatched and THAT WAS something. It was there, loud and clear. And yep, she called Damon and held onto him when she really thought she was battling for life. This is just a matter of fact and it was great.

her humanity switch will be flipped due to some combination of Damon and Jeremy. I have no idea how, but that's what seems to make the most sense to me considering how they are playing this.
I would absolutely love this. It would be perfection.

CONTINUING IN ANOTHER POST.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline05arabian on April 24th, 2013 01:00 am (UTC)
I just rewatched that scene in better quality than the night it aired and I noticed that too. The only times she appeared to be feeling something was when she looked at him just waiting for more words and stuff about past. It's like she feared what he was going to say.

I didn't see it that way. To me, I thought that Elena was deliberately playing Stefan. The feelings just aren't there for her, but she knew he expected her to fall, so she basically let him think it was working (that's why we saw her looking so blank and bored when he couldn't see her face) so she could drop the boom! and shut him down fully. Which is what she did exactly.

And I've read some comments above about S/E fans claiming this was a hot dance and stuff..honestly, people see what they wanna see.

Yup, the S/E fans are grasping at straws right now. Elena had no reaction to Stefan which took away any "hotness."

as for them believing Elena actually meant those words she said to Damon about the sire bond..lolz..that just makes me laugh cause at that point, one has to be delusional to say stuff like that.

What cracks me up is that there is no logic here. So, Elena was telling the truth to Damon about the sire bond (despite the fact that we saw real reaction from her that she kept trying to tamp down), but she was lying to Stefan (despite the fact that we saw absolutely ZERO real reaction to him)? LOL! Whatevs, S/E fans, just delusional and desperate at this point.

YAYYY! I loved that moment and of course I loved everything about Stefan and Caroline in this episode. That little moment when they shared a look, ARGGJHGFHG! I want these two so bad together and I hope they're gonna make it happen. This scene was lovely. I definitely want more!

I KNOW!!!! SQUEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

while I do understand this, I thought it would be weird if Stefan said that in that precise moment, when they were trying to make Elena feel and they had bonded at least a tiny bit about that. I mean, I thought it was too harsh from Stefan's part right now. But in other moments, totally believable.

I found it believable here for two reasons: 1) That he had JUST shared that moment with Elena and realized that he really hasn't let her go yet, and 2) feeling guilty because he WAS overstepping by what he did because Elena is DAMON'S girlfriend now, and what Stefan did was not cool, he knew that, and was so overcompensating by trying to deny he did anything wrong.

Oh, that look...Nina mastered it beautifully and it lasted a split second..I even missed it watching it live cause the streaming sucked. But I rewatched and THAT WAS something. It was there, loud and clear.

It was so there. I wish Damon wasn't so insecure about her feelings for him. Oh, Damon. I understand why, but it's so frustrating!!!!

And yep, she called Damon and held onto him when she really thought she was battling for life. This is just a matter of fact and it was great.

I missed this until someone else mentioned it, but aaahh, I love it! Elena said to Stefan before earlier: "You think this is my cry for help? I'd be happy to show you what a real cry for help sounds like." Then later, he heard a real cry for help--from her to DAMON. LOVED IT!
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bangel_4e: delena2bangel_4e on April 23rd, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)

Ugh, Tyler. (I don't think that was the reaction they wanted, LOL). *sigh* I'm hoping that this was just a nicer closure for him and Caroline and that he's gone for good. (PLEASE!)
DITTO. I can't stand Tyler, I just can't. Some people have said that he might've been Silas in disguise...but really, I don't think so. It wouldn't make much sense.


Overall, this episode isn't bad at all. I have so much faith now :)

I really hope that Damon and Elena gets to be a couple in a "normal" way next season before they inevitably break them up (and I hope it won't be because of some shit that Damon does)...but that's me dreaming about far away stuff.

I loved Rebekkah and Matt and as you said, I love what she sees in him, his value..I always thought Matt was necessary to the show, he's the human part and heart of the group.
Steven was awesome in his acting and everyone's in a suit, looking dashing. Always a great plus.

Can I ask you a question?
It's a very delicate question but I like hearing what you think (if I haven't asked you before, I don't remember)...one of the main things S/E fans debate and hold against Damon/Elena together is that it's an abusive relationship and he has killed and raped many people.
Now, I have made my arguments countless times for this so I just won't repeat what I think...I just wanted to hear your thoughts, just out of curiosity, I like your analysis. If you don't feel like discussing it of course, just tell me :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on April 24th, 2013 01:14 am (UTC)
I can't stand Tyler, I just can't.

I can't say that I can't stand him. It's just that is my least favorite of the regular and recurring, he brings down Caroline's story and Trevino just isn't strong enough. I like him interacting with his mom, with Damon, with Jeremy (sobs), but he primarily is with Caroline or Klaus and I don't care for either story that much.

Some people have said that he might've been Silas in disguise...but really, I don't think so. It wouldn't make much sense.

I think that it made sense to think it at the beginning, but by the 2nd scene with them, it was pretty obvious that it was Tyler. Especially with that final scene with Klaus.

Overall, this episode isn't bad at all. I have so much faith now :)

See, I LOVE Caroline Dries!

I really hope that Damon and Elena gets to be a couple in a "normal" way next season before they inevitably break them up (and I hope it won't be because of some shit that Damon does)...but that's me dreaming about far away stuff.

See, I don't expect them to inevitably break up. It really does seem like they're doing what I had hoped -- balance. The first 2 seasons Stefan/Elena were together. 3rd season, Elena was technically mostly with Stefan throughout it even if they didn't have much time together. 4th season, shs's technically mostly with Damon throughout, even if they aren't having that much time together. So the last 2 seasons should be Damon/Elena together. It will be difficult, they'll have issues, but I don't expect what others are talking about. The most I could see would them taking a break, but really taking a break in that they still love each other, but they need to get things in order before being together. Or something like Damon loses his memory, Elena does, and we see them working their way back to each other.

It's a very delicate question but I like hearing what you think (if I haven't asked you before, I don't remember)...one of the main things S/E fans debate and hold against Damon/Elena together is that it's an abusive relationship and he has killed and raped many people.

I talked in length about the rape thing (which enrages me because it's SO not true) in my write-up of Klaus. As for killing so many people, hah! Based on what we know of the brothers? Stefan has killed way more than Damon. I just can't with this line of thought. It held in season 01, but once we found out about Stefan's ripper past in season 02? Nope, that's gone. Stefan is no better nor worse than Damon. (Although, if you really wanted to do a side-by-side, Stefan comes out looking the worse.)

Now, I have made my arguments countless times for this so I just won't repeat what I think...I just wanted to hear your thoughts, just out of curiosity, I like your analysis. If you don't feel like discussing it of course, just tell me :)

I'd prefer to not go through it again here because I'm always afraid of it opening up a can of beans in another thread, but definitely go to the Klaus thread, respond to that and we can go back and forth there! :)
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