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22 March 2013 @ 03:13 am
4.17 - 'Because The Night' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Whee! The Vampire Diaries. So, you know what that means... lots and lots of words. :)

Again, this wasn't an OMG!Awesome-balls episode (like last week wasn't), but I really liked it and there was a lot about it I loved. First off, let's start with the Lexi stuff. Oh, how I loathe this character like a gajillionbillion times. However, if she's going to show up, having Damon make a fool out of her works for me! I really loved that. And it was so obvious that he was playing her. Like he's gonna stop caring about Katherine and just fall for Lexi in a few months. Bwah! Lexi fell for it, Damon is so good! So that was one of the things I appreciated about Lexi's presence. Another was the fact that we have more depth to their first meeting in "162 Candles." No wonder Lexi reacted the way she did when she first saw Damon... lying next to her in bed, no less! Oh, Damon, you naughty ass! I love you so. It was also nice finding out that there were periods during his and Stefan's separation where Stefan actually did try and reach out to Damon, that's something we really haven't seen so far.

Finally, we got a subtle nod to what is going on with Elena. After she tried to play Damon (double bwah! As if, honey!), she talked about his switch being off those six months with Lexi and how he hated her and was willing to do anything (ugh! even if that meant sleeping with her was so his reaction, hee!) to get rid of her and Elena pointed out that he still was feeling things. Ding, ding, ding! Elena can claim that she has no feelings, emotions, all she wants, but it's so not the case. After she first began feeding, she looked up and met Damon's eyes, and it was HAWT!, but my point is that she wanted to experience the moment with him, she wanted to revel in this "feeling" with him. And, of course when he walked away, Elena's look as she watched him was definitely one of disappointment.


Likewise there was her reaction to showing off her new haircut to him. (See below.) She wanted to please him, wanted him to think she looked good. Of course, she even said later on that she would have preferred if Damon wanting to just spend time with her, having fun and that potentially making her want to turn her switch on, but since he had a different agenda... oh well. She wasn't happy that Damon was playing her. Sure she shrugged it off, but she wasn't OK with it. The fact remains though that, yes, the feelings are still there. Repressed, not giving free reign or reaction to what's going on around her and depending on the situation and/or the person(s), but the feelings are there. Just as they were when Damon was trying to get rid of Lexi.

And, of course, Damon saw through what she was doing, of course he did. You could see how hard this was for him, though. Absolutely, there was a part of him that just wanted to give in and be with her, run away with her, leave it all behind... you could see that on his face, in his expression as he was looking at her before they kissed...


Oh, wait, we're not there yet. Oops!

But this wasn't about what he wanted--the fun, guilt-free Elena--because, as I wrote last week, that's not the whole package and he wants the whole package and he wants that whole package to want him, to love him. And here's where the selflessness came in... again. He wasn't judging her, wasn't trying to make her feel bad, and he didn't give her a hard time for trying to play him, he's doing what he knows is the right thing to do by her. Because the last time he spoke with Elena (on the island when she essentially proposed to him), she made it very clear that she wants the cure. Does anyone with a working brain cell think that Stefan told Damon about her acceptance of remaining a vampire speech? Of course not. So as far as Damon is aware, Elena has made it absolutely, abundantly clear that she wants the cure... so even though he doesn't want her to have it, he's going to give her what he 100% believes she wants--because it came from her--and that is the cure.

And in the meantime he's going to do everything he can to make sure that she does nothing that Elena will be unable to handle once she turns the switch back on (or gets the cure), because he loves her. Even though it would be way easier for him to go down this road that she wants to with him, he's not going to do it because he knows that if he does that, when she's back to the whole package that he loves, she will not be a happy camper and that will be yet another obstacle in between them. And this would be one that he created because he was selfish... and he can't be selfish with Elena. But before he pretty much said all that, they kissed. And Elena groped his ass a bit (in search of the clue, but still there was slight grope-age!). And it was hot!


Of course Damon enjoyed it, but if he wasn't sure before that she was aware of what he was doing, he knew absolutely then that she was aware and trying to dish it right back because, yeah, girl was hella obvious. I love Elena like whoah, but damn, she was so Katherine-lite in her seduction scheme that it was laughable. And I have to give Nina Dobrev kudos up the ying-yang because once again she's shown how seamlessly, amazingly she's able to differentiate these characters. Elena set the mood, acted the part just as Katherine would have, but like I said, it was Katherine-lite. She was a sweet young thing trying to play seductress and it was false, and Damon saw right through it. And I'm totally cool with that because I like Elena as she is, Elena with her heart full of love and forgiveness, the survivor who does so through selflessness for those she loves (as opposed to Katherine who's all about Katherine), the good girl. I like Elena, the good girl... and so does Damon and I think that was partly why we had that searching, conflicted look from him right before they kissed. It was because the good girl Elena was so there underneath the naughty come-on. Not to say that the good girl Elena doesn't have a naughty side, but this was a manipulative side and Elena doesn't roll that way. At least, the whole-package Elena doesn't. She has a pure heart.

You know who doesn't? Caroline Forbes. And I say this with love. She is a good person, yes, but she's not this vessel of purity, Klausy-pooh. She's petty and vindictive, and can be selfish and completely self-absorbed. Again, not horrible and she's had plenty of selfless moments, but girl ain't pure. Nuh uh. However, I still love her. Yes, I know that Caroline has taken a hit from plenty of peeps out there, but I'm not one of them. My only Caroline-related issue is how lame-ass her story is when connected to Tyler. And he's gone! (YAY!) Anyhoo, so, yeah, I still love Caroline and I totally felt for her in this episode... but I gotta say, I'm completely over any Klaus/Caroline feels. I don't know if it's because the more I see of them, the less I care, or because Caroline and Stefan filled me with all the SQUEE!feels in the universe last week. I dunno. Either way, Klaus and Caroline ain't cutting it for me. Maybe, just maybe it's because of exactly what Caroline said: there are some people who really are too terrible to not be terrible, and at this stage in the game, I don't see Klaus as anything other than terrible.

Don't get me wrong, I love the character and he was awesome this episode (snarky comments, vulnerable eyes--which directed at Caroline have so lost their luster what with the same vulnerable eyes directed towards Hayley before he boned her), but he's pretty damn terrible and pretty non-regretting any of his terrible actions. So when Caroline was a wreck after what she did and he was a snarky ass to her, I thought that he was being a snarky ass, but I still completely got why he did it. Because good writing, good acting can make even terrible people compelling and worth feeling for... and this show? Succeeds on that level mightily. But most of my feels were for Caroline. She is not in a good place right now. She lost Tyler, she lost Elena, and now here's Bonnie literally about to be killed right before her eyes... I totally get why she did what she did. It was awful, no-good, bad, terrible consequence-making-thingie that she did. But I get why. She didn't think; she saw her best friend about to be killed and she just reacted. I get it.

Especially because Bonnie so needed saving... and not just her life, but her very self. Damn, Silas has been playing a number on this poor girl. She hasn't been in full possession of herself since before Jeremy died, well, since before Silas was awakened. When I realized that Bonnie knew he was Silas, when she only mildly protested killing 12 witches (!), when she got all fire-bursting-breaking-windows, Bonnie-badger-don't-give-a-shit! ... I was all OH MY BONNIE! She wasn't possessed as Ric, Rebekah and Tyler were, but rather, she was mind-controlled. She was still Bonnie, she was still Bonnie doing these things, making these choices, setting up 12 of her kind to die, but it wasn't Bonnie.

I mean, DAYUM! She didn't remember any of it. And when I realized that she was going to have to hear about Jeremy dying ALL OVER AGAIN, I was all GUH! And, you know, there was a part of me that would have liked to see Stefan telling her, but, honestly, seeing her completely fall apart would have been too much at this point, I think, after all the grief we've had to watch as viewers. And reliving the Jeremy-death-pain AGAIN through another character who loved him. PLEASE NO! So, yeah, I'm glad we didn't get Stefan telling Bonnie. My poor Bonnie. :(

But my happy, happy Damon/Elena-loving heart!!! These two in this episode were so about the love. Yes, the kiss was hot and all that, but it was really about the looks to each other and on their faces revealing their true feelings. It was about the moments they shared, the hopes they clearly both had for this little road trip despite knowing that it really wasn't gonna happen. The love was just SO there in between the lines and looks between them. I LOVED IT SO!

OK, some randoms--

- I had two gasp-moments this episode. First at the reveal that it was witches who were the next batch of 12. I don't know why, but I completely had it in my mind that the next 12 would be vampires, so that really surprised me. And then when Caroline killed Bonnie and the witches died. I wasn't surprised that the witches died because I know that in just about any other show, the "heroes" would have saved the day, but on this show, shit was gonna go down! But that it was Caroline and how?!?! WHOAH! I was shocked.

- David Alpay is back! I ♥ him so. I still can't say 100% sure that Shane is dead, but it sure is looking more and more likely. Still, we at least get to enjoy him as Silas... and as long as I get to see him on screen, I be happy!

- I not be so happy without my Matty! :(

- I laughed SO HARD at Rebekah's response to Elena's "I'm not stupid." ... "Let's not say things we don't mean." LOL! Seriously, so hard. The line itself was funny, but really, it was all in the delivery. You guys, The Original can really, really suck (and I really, really, really don't see how it will what with the pedigree involved), but I will watch it to the end of time as long as Claire Holt's Rebekah is there. I LOVE HER SO MUCH! And then, and then, and then... at the end when that guy reached out to touch her face and she just shoved him down so nonchalantly. HI-LARIOUS!

- So I've wanted to see Elena and Rebekah as friends FOREVER! But, sigh, not like this. I want whole-package-Elena and Rebekah as best buds. Double sigh. Oh well, I'll take what I can get, I suppose especially when they're so awesome together!

  

- "You took my car!?" Oh, Damon.

- Prepare to be shocked. I think that Damon looked uber-hot. Wait, what? You're not shocked? That he looked hot or that I thought so? Hmm. OK, I suppose the lack of shock (on both counts) is not surprising at all. :D

- Thank goodness, Elena only had that horrible bump hairstyle for one scene, and her haircut looked great. And for a truly shocking comment coming from me, the TVD hairstylists actually styled her hair better than I've seen Dobrev herself wear it since she got it cut. And, squee!! Elena was so cute showing off her haircut to Damon. :)

  


- Another true shocker! First flashback of the Salvatores without Stefan! I know, right?!?!? OH MY GOD!

- Speaking of Stefan, so uhm, yeah, I love you, boo, but you were pretty pointless in this episode. But you looked pretty. And you were there for Bonnie. (But you so should have been there for Caroline. Grr, stupid Klaus/Caroline!)

- I seriously love that Damon was disgusted by Will being a hoarder/pat rack because Damon so would being the neat-freak that he be.

- So Nina Dobrev is 5'7" (since Damon informed Stefan that both Elena and Katherine are that height). Thanks for the random info. OK then, LOL!

- Hah, when Rebekah told Elena that she liked the old Elena better and then walked away, I actually pantomimed a shrug so knowing Elena would do that... and then she did. And it was adorbs!


- Bonnie's freaky eyes. Just, freaky. I was gonna do a gif... but yeah, freaky.

- "You were Lexi-d!?" Hah! Not at all, dear Elena, not at all.

- So the triangle is completed. Hmm, could we possibly get Jeremy and Ric back then? I mean, come on, give us something for all the mess this potentially could cause if the unveiling happens.

- Did I mention that Damon was hot? Because he so, so is. Even when he goes all veiny-eyed. SO HOT!


So, yeah, not an an amaze-balls episode, but I liked it a lot. And rewatching bits and pieces, damn, the Damon/Elena-ness was surprisingly strong in this one. Lots of subtle reveals of how strong Elena's feelings for Damon still are despite the switch being off, lots of conflict from Damon because he wants her, he doesn't want her like this, he wants to just enjoy this time with her, but he doesn't want it to go too far, it's a mess. And through it all, there really is just that awareness between the two, this pining love that is just out of reach right now because of the situation. It's quite beautiful, I think. A few shockers (to me anyway), Lexi getting so played (yes!), hot Damon, cute Elena, awesome Rebekah, Elena and Rebekah having some BFF moments, Stefan being sweet and cute, Klaus with some great one-liners, plus the return of Alpay! Yeah, I was pretty happy. :)
 
 
 
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on March 22nd, 2013 08:44 am (UTC)
I don't have time to read just yet, but I wanted to say I loved this episode! Lots of Damon and Elena plus punk (which will always draw me in!) represented in a proper way, not as some violent gang thing it never has been. I also got some personal head-canon of Damon at the Factory more or less confirmed. And as I quite like Lexi (for all her wrongness), it was pretty good for me.
Arabian: Damon01arabian on March 22nd, 2013 08:58 am (UTC)
I agree for the most part. I mean, you know I don't like Lexi (HAAAAAAAAATE her), but I loved her getting played (bwahahahaha!). And I can't say I LOVED the episode, but I really, really liked it and it's one that already got tons better on rewatch. (And to be fair, I had to watch my Caps-hockey game --available only streaming--during TVD, sigh, so split attention the first time!) And yes, Damon mentioned The Factory.
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tj2013tj2013 on March 22nd, 2013 09:17 am (UTC)
Wow, you are fast! Just watched the ep (I live in Germany and have to wait till Friday morning and watch it online) and went straight to your LJ - and boom, there you are already. Loved your recap, you nailed the Delena-ness and all the other stuff down very nicely. And thanks for not putting up a Bonnie-gif, you are right, sooo creepy.
I always wondered if Silas made Bonnie steal the bloodbags and what else he had her do. Now, after the massacre, she can't remember it, duh... And will she turn to her mother now? I was also super sure that they would have to kill 12 vampires. The witches were a real surprise.
Kudos to Nina for distinguishing between Switchoff!Elena and Katherine. That was brilliant.
And Damon wore a white tee. Wow. Last time we had that in the ep he killed Vicki. And he looks so hot in the beginning with the blood dripping down his chin. Yum.
Arabian: Damon & Elena10arabian on March 22nd, 2013 11:27 am (UTC)
This is actually normally about what time I put the post up, it's just the last few weeks that I've been late in posting. :)

There really was a LOT of Damon/Elena-ness in a very unexpected way. Yeah, yeah, the kiss was hot and all, but it was all about the looks to each other, and on their faces revealing their true feelings, the moments they shared, the hopes they clearly both had for this little roadtrip despite both knowing it really wasn't gonna happen. The love was just SO there in between the lines and looks between them.

Hmm, I think you're right, Silas probably did have Bonnie steal those bags. He certainly had her doing his bidding in every other way. Poor Bonnie.

All the awards for Nina!!! :D

Heh, didn't notice the white tee, but I tend to generally not notice clothes, just how hot Ian looks in them, hee! Just for you, my white-tee icon of Damon from that episode. :D Oh, wait, this icon is from "Haunted." That means that he actually wore the white shirt in 1.07, the episode after he killed Vicki ("Lost Girls," 1.06).
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x5valex5vale on March 22nd, 2013 10:16 am (UTC)
I agree with everythin you said.

Episodes like this one helps the viewers to better understand the dynamics between the characters and their background.

As much as I don't like Lexie, I have enjoyed to see her interaction with Damon.

All in all an interesting episode.

Edited at 2013-03-22 10:35 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena27arabian on March 22nd, 2013 11:30 am (UTC)
Yeah, I love how episodes like this give more depth and insight into older episodes. I am so looking forward to my series rewatch this summer! :D

Yeah, Damon/Ian makes everything better. I didn't loathe Lexi with a thousand burning suns this episode--of course, that was aided considerably by the fact that Damon TOTALLY played her, and then made it clear that being with her (even for that one night) wasn't something that he particularly wanted to do, but you do what you gotta do, LOL!
bangel_4e: damonbangel_4e on March 22nd, 2013 11:00 am (UTC)
I was very happy with the episode too...I missed the first 15 minutes so I have yet to watch that but I liked everything I saw from there, especially Damon.
I absolutely loved him. When I saw him with Lexi I was all like:"OH come on, he killed her..and he cared about her?? That's just weird.." and then it got all explained lol
Typical Damon. Love him..and I also liked that they told us what drove Damon to kill her..and it does make perfect sense.
The scene on the rooftop was so great...(and the ass-groping yeah)..everything was so well done...Elena and Rebekah, especially the latter. And Nina's new hairstyle looks gorgeous.
This trio and the flashbacks were awesome and I got nothing to say.

And now my heart aches for Klaus/Caroline...you know I love them...but I'm kinda losing all hopes. Especially after the speech abut terrible things. I understand Caroline cause...it's true, Klaus shows no remorse, no regrets. That speech reminded me of Damon and Elena and all their dynamic in season 1 but the fact is, Damon and Klaus are very different. Elena saw Damon cared and regretted everything and felt the pain. Caroline with Klaus..well, not so much. I don't know if we'll ever saw something between them...but if we can't, as I've said multiple times, I wouldn't mind me some Caroline/Stefan (yum) or Caroline/Matt... :)

What else is to say? Poor Bonnie...I usually can't stand her or just don't really care about her but I really felt for after, especially with having to know Jeremy's dead...and the house is gone and so his body etc...ugh, too sad.

And what???? Damon hot???? Never heard of such a thing!
Arabian: Damon14arabian on March 22nd, 2013 11:44 am (UTC)
Ooh, then you missed out on the cute Elena showing Damon her haircut scene. It was just adorable. I think you'll enjoy those fifteen minutes. :) And I'm so glad to hear that you liked the episode. YAY!!!! I mean, it was SUCH a great Damon/Elena episode, and as I said to someone above that while the kiss was hot and all, it was all about the looks to each other, and on their faces revealing their true feelings, the moments they shared, the hopes they clearly both had for this little roadtrip despite both knowing it really wasn't gonna happen. The love was just SO there in between the lines and looks between them.

With regards to Damon and Lexi, as soon as he said that he didn't care about Katherine, I knew that he was playing her and it was AWESOME! (Because I hate her!)

Eh, sorry I can't feel your Klaus/Caroline love. :( I do at least think you'll probably get some big thing between them before Klaus moves onto his own show, but unless Candice moves onto TO after TVD is over (which would break my Stefan/Caroline-loving heart), I think that K/C are pretty much over this season. Sorry. And I really don't want Caroline/Matt again because as much as I love Matt now, I didn't like him so much in season 01 and 02 because I thought he treated Caroline pretty crappily, always treating her like he was doing her a favor for caring about her. So for me, it's really only Stefan that I love for Caroline. I would be totally down for Caroline/Klaus if they had her go switch-off, though! Because they do have chemistry, but I am just so OTP-die-hard for S/C.

Damon and Klaus are very different.

Yes, they are and that's why as much as I do still love Caroline, she's really been a total hypocrite about the Elena/Damon thing because she does have feelings for Klaus. I still have hope we'll get something regarding all of that by season's end.

Oh, Bonnie, my poor, poor Bonnie.

Oh, Damon, my hot, hot Damon.
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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on March 22nd, 2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
So yeah this was a good episode!

Things I loved:
Elena...basically...all of her, even the manipulative parts
Rebkeah...same.
Damon...same
Caroline killing the 12 witches because damn! I really was not expecting that!
Bonnie's eyes really, really freaked me out. that's a good thing.
Klaus just being Klaus. Love that Joseph Morgan's real tattoo we saw in the last ep is actually a representation of the entire "triangle" scenario
Silas/Shane. Seriously, one of the best guest actors ever on TVD.
Damon and his clean freak tendencies and that he was only at his angriest when he found out the girls stole his car. LOL! Damon has his priorities straight!
That kiss....there was just so much going on in that rooftop scene and that kiss is just so good and layered...can a kiss be layered? Apparently so LOL! Also I LOVED the fact that Damon and Elena first just leaned on laid their foreheade against each other. It's like they both needed a moment to compose themselves and that connection was really palable. I've never seen two characters want and need each other so bad but can't because of their circumstances. It's so conflicting and absolutely wonderful to see on this show. I love the longing!

Things I didn't love just liked: (I didn't hate a thing about this episode really...)
Lexie. I'm not a fan of her in general but I thought they made good use of her presence and the guilt and remorse Damon felt for his bad deed was really well done
Damon implying that he's going to make Elena take the cure. I get why he thinks this is the best and most logical option considering Elena doesn't look like she plans on turning anything on anytime soon, but still...let's respect Elena's wishes a bit boys.
Lack of Steroline shoutouts
Bonnie's father isn't doing it for me
The leadup to the witch stuff in the woods went a little slow for me.
Arabian: Elena05arabian on March 23rd, 2013 01:41 am (UTC)
Elena...basically...all of her, even the manipulative parts

For the most part the only time I could say I liked Elena in last week's episode was when she was with Damon, so it's not a surprise that when she's with him mostly and not dealing with the judgmental attitudes of Stefan and Caroline. So I'm not surprised at how much likeable (even with the switch off) Elena is this episode. She was pretty adorable.

Caroline killing the 12 witches because damn! I really was not expecting that!

This (and this and this for Damon like, and Rebekah like!)

Silas/Shane. Seriously, one of the best guest actors ever on TVD.

Yup, Alpay is just amazing. :D

Damon and his clean freak tendencies and that he was only at his angriest when he found out the girls stole his car. LOL! Damon has his priorities straight!

YUP! I love how the show keeps these little Damon-tics going. OK, admittedly the car isn't that unusual for guys like him on TV, but the clean-freak-ness is awesomely unique.

That kiss....there was just so much going on in that rooftop scene and that kiss is just so good and layered...can a kiss be layered? Apparently so LOL!

Yes, yes, yes. There really was just soooooo much going on in that kiss, in that whole dang scene! Including...

Also I LOVED the fact that Damon and Elena first just leaned on laid their foreheade against each other. It's like they both needed a moment to compose themselves and that connection was really palable. I've never seen two characters want and need each other so bad but can't because of their circumstances. It's so conflicting and absolutely wonderful to see on this show. I love the longing!

Yes, yes, yes. This is why I can't hate on the sire bond (well, unless it's undeniably revealed as real because I hate the sloppy inconsistency if it is), because it's really opened up to such yearning, pining and longing between these two. This season has showed so completely how real and deep the love is between Damon and Elena, and I don't know that it would have been so achingly, heartrendingly portrayed without the sire bond storyline.

Lexie. I'm not a fan of her in general but I thought they made good use of her presence and the guilt and remorse Damon felt for his bad deed was really well done

I loathe Lexi, but I actually loved her in this episode because she and her sanctimonious, judgmental ways? SO PLAYED!!!!! Bwahahahahaha!

Damon implying that he's going to make Elena take the cure. I get why he thinks this is the best and most logical option considering Elena doesn't look like she plans on turning anything on anytime soon, but still...let's respect Elena's wishes a bit boys.

I disagree with this because as far as Damon knows, he IS respecting her wishes. Elena with her switch off is NOT really fully Elena. She is not. And the decisions she makes with her switch off is NOT necessarily the kind she would make as the whole package Elena. The last time that Damon spoke with Elena, switch-on, she made it very, very clear that, yes, she wanted the cure.

Lack of Steroline shoutouts

I completely agree!

Bonnie's father isn't doing it for me

He's just kinda there for me.

The leadup to the witch stuff in the woods went a little slow for me.

Hmm, I was OK with it, but to each their own. :)

Overall, just a really good one! :D
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on March 22nd, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
"You took my car!?" Oh, Damon.

Hey, a man has to have his priorities straight. Messing with his ride just isn't done unless you have a death wish. :P

But seriously, can you blame him?

Enjoyed the episode, don't really have anything to add to your detailed thoughts - except that it'd be nice to see what Silas truly looks like before the season is out. *shrug* I have this thing about wanting villains to be imposing, and looking the part is key. But that's just me.

Edited at 2013-03-22 04:03 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Betty01 - Yesarabian on March 23rd, 2013 08:19 am (UTC)
Ooh, I hope that we see what Silas looks like before the end too, but I can't complain if it's not to the very end of the season because I want as much David Alpay as I can get!!!
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on March 22nd, 2013 07:16 pm (UTC)
Lexi fell for it, Damon is so good!

Tag for this episode.

I was so damn worried about this, because the only thing worse than Lexi tainting my screen again was lexi around Damon. Silly me! In my defense, how could I have anticipated anything so glorious as this cruel, vicious manipulation? Damon, I never loved you so much.

Like, when he started with the mush, I went “He’s fucking with her, right? He’s got a stake or vervain or something and he’s screwing with her RIGHT? I will cut all of the bitches if they go there!” And then that beautiful sun-dappled rooftop and Lexi running for the door and… DE-NIED! Allelujah! Seeing the all-mighty, all-righteous, all-annoying Lexi cowering in a sliver of shade at the mercy of someone she constantly looked down on and handily labeled The Bad Brother to prop up her pet project, someone she always judged and belittled no matter what except apparently when she wanted to have fun… it was worth having to bear her presence for this.

But seriously, how idiotic was Lexie to believe that after a century loving Katherine Damon would just fall for her in 6 months of nagging? I know that she was used to Stefan, but did she really think that relentless annoying and bossing would get her another Salvatore acolyte? How the hell did someone that stupid survive so long?

Damon actually burning her before sauntering off was the cherry on top. Hell, in his place I’d have showed her into the sun and laughed while she incinerated. Which brings me to… NO. Damon killing her because he felt guilty about this? Bullshit.

The other good thing was a nice Salvatores moment by proxy: it’s always nice to know that Damon and Stefan might snipe and fight and even really hurt each other, but at the end of the day they’re brothers and they will always love each. Even if said love is shown in strange ways (“Hey, I think you need to get better, bro! Here’s my torture therapist, she worked wonders for me – occasional relapsings notwithstanding – so I think she’ll do you good too!”: REALLY, Stef?)


Ding, ding, ding! Elena can claim that she has no feelings, emotions, all she wants, but it's so not the case.

Yeah. I was all “Nice insight there, girl. How about taking it a little step further yet closer to home? You’re practically there already… no? Alright, if you insist we can wait.”


Damon saw through what she was doing, of course he did. You could see how hard this was for him, though. Absolutely, there was a part of him that just wanted to give in and be with her

First the Sire Bond, now this. This last ten episodes have been one long The Last Temptation Of Damon Salvatore. He keeps getting what he would normally be ecstatic to get and he has to turn it down and work against it because IT’S. NOT. REAL. I’m amazed he’s holding up this well.
Arabian: Damon02arabian on March 23rd, 2013 08:33 am (UTC)
how could I have anticipated anything so glorious as this cruel, vicious manipulation? Damon, I never loved you so much.

I know, right? I am sooooo happy we got Lexi on our screens again because damn did Damon play her and good!

Like, when he started with the mush, I went “He’s fucking with her, right? He’s got a stake or vervain or something and he’s screwing with her RIGHT? I will cut all of the bitches if they go there!” And then that beautiful sun-dappled rooftop and Lexi running for the door and… DE-NIED!

See, you're not the first I've read this from and it surprises me because as soon as Damon told her that he didn't care about Katherine (and he was giving her those dreamy eyes, so I knew where he was going with it), I starting laughing because, of course, he was playing her. No way that Damon was over Katherine before Mystic Falls redux. So I knew it was coming and it was sooooo delicious!!!

But seriously, how idiotic was Lexie to believe that after a century loving Katherine Damon would just fall for her in 6 months of nagging? I know that she was used to Stefan, but did she really think that relentless annoying and bossing would get her another Salvatore acolyte? How the hell did someone that stupid survive so long?

Clearly. I mean, damn, Stefan WANTED her help. That is why it was sorta OK what she was doing (although, really it wasn't because her method of fixing Stefan is all fucked up but that's neither here nor there right now), but Damon does NOT want her help. Damon (as he told her) is not a victim. He's not Stefan and it was crazy (and stupid, yes) that she actually thought that Damon (let alone anyone) would enjoy the way she treated him.

Which brings me to… NO. Damon killing her because he felt guilty about this? Bullshit.

See, I didn't see it this way. He even said that Lexi became "a walking, talking reminder of all the bad things I had done." Essentially, when Lexi showed up, he didn't kill her because he felt guilty that he played her so much rather that Lexi was an embodiment of all the crappy things he done... and unsaid by Damon, but which I fully believe, is that because Damon was hanging around Stefan again, his humanity was beginning to peek out more and more. And, of course, Elena was beginning to get to Damon (Lexi's return was right after "Haunted," the episode where Damon compelled Jeremy just because he wanted to help Elena). So Lexi was basically just a symbol of the crap he'd pulled and Damon didn't want that reminder shoved in his face, so blamm-o, down with Lexi. :D I mean, he really did just about say that. After saying that she was the walking, talking reminder of all the bad things I had done, he mentions that when he saw her again there was a rush of guilt. The rush of guilt wasn't specifically over screwing Lexi (hehehehehe), but because of all of the bad things he had done.

The other good thing was a nice Salvatores moment by proxy

Yeah, I so loved that.

I was all “Nice insight there, girl. How about taking it a little step further yet closer to home? You’re practically there already… no? Alright, if you insist we can wait.”

Yuppers, baby steps. We're getting there. :D

last ten episodes have been one long The Last Temptation Of Damon Salvatore. He keeps getting what he would normally be ecstatic to get and he has to turn it down and work against it because IT’S. NOT. REAL. I’m amazed he’s holding up this well.

Yup, yup, yup! But Damon is the selfish one who doesn't really love Elena, HAH!
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on March 22nd, 2013 07:18 pm (UTC)
He wasn't judging her, wasn't trying to make her feel bad, and he didn't give her a hard time for trying to play him, he's doing what he knows is the right thing to do by her.

Guy’s on a tightrope, trying to balance treating right the Elena he’s dealing with (so, fun, no judgement, feeding and flirting) and doing right by the whole Elena (no killing and still working on the Cure.)

Because he meant what he said in 3x19, he’s not going to make things easier for Elena by screwing up. If, after she’s human, un-Sired and in possession of her free will and emotions Elena decides once again that Stefan is the One 8and Damon’s 100% sure it’s going to be so)… well then, by God, she’s going to decide so because baby bro is her One True Love and not because Damon yet again showed himself as Not Good Enough.
Only way it will be Real for all of them.

(You know, sometimes I fear for how the writes are handling these characters, other times I’m amazed by how well in hand they have them.)


Elena groped his ass a bit (in search of the clue, but still there was slight grope-age!). And it was hot!

Hell yeah! So hot that, even knowing Elena was fishing for info, I was momentarily distracted from the power play going on. Like “Whoa there, TVD! It’s not even a sex scene! Are you reall… oh, right!”


I love Elena like whoah, but damn, she was so Katherine-lite in her seduction scheme that it was laughable. [---]She was a sweet young thing trying to play seductress and it was false, and Damon saw right through it.

Bless the girl, she really gave it her all, but Elena’s brand of manipulation is not/wasn’t ever sexual. Katherine learned quickly that her hotness was her best tool to survive, while Elena always relied on her emotional savviness to connect with others. In her current situation she’s bound to flounder, especially against someone just as adept as using sex but who is also good at emotions and knows her well.
Luckily she had Rebekah to be her muscle and man, is Katherine going to be in trouble when this duo catches up with her. Wiliness can only do so much against a pissed Original.


when Caroline was a wreck after what she did and he was a snarky ass to her, I thought that he was being a snarky ass, but I still completely got why he did it.

Personally, I cheered. And I hate Klaus and his ponies and his hummingbirds and his snowflakes.

It’s basically the same peeve I have with Caroline about Damon: you can hate someone as much as you want, you may even have abundant, iron-cast reasons to do so… but in that case you cannot expect anything from them. You don’t drink champagne with them, you don’t flirt and giggle and dance and swap stories and you most certainly don’t ask for anything. You can manipulated them if it’s your life on the line (especially if they are the one who put you in that situation) but you don’t ask for favors and you don’t ask for help and you don’t ask for comfort.

That scene paired with last episode “You may be awful by I don’t care anymore” Delena scene. Only this was “Well, you’re a terrible person and I hate you and I’ve repeatedly told you so, but now I’ve done a terrible thing and maybe that makes me a terrible person too, so I may as well ask you to put aside your feelings and cater to mine.” Which, gross.
I have to be honest, though: maybe it’s the Southern setting of the show, but I totally expected Klaus to bust out a “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.” Admittedly, the feeling of the scene was that. I bet that Klaus, after dragging himself home post-staking, rewatched Gone With The Wind and punched the air at the end, all “You tell her, man!” at Rhett Butler.
Arabian: Caroline04arabian on March 23rd, 2013 09:03 am (UTC)
... he meant what he said in 3x19, he’s not going to make things easier for Elena by screwing up.

Oh, this was awesome, you bringing this up. I don't think it's a conscious callback to that on his part, I think that he really has grown enough that especially when he comes to her, he's NOT going to screw up. Because he wants to do what's right FOR her, as opposed to doing any of it for what he wants.

(You know, sometimes I fear for how the writes are handling these characters, other times I’m amazed by how well in hand they have them.)

I'm all about the latter. All of the fears that I had in season 03 were so taken care of and it's just so obvious that this is a character journey for all of them. They KNOW what they are doing with these characters and I love it so.

So hot that, even knowing Elena was fishing for info

LOL! I think it's a safe bet to say that it was more Nina rather than Elena because there's no way you're gonna tell me that Nina Dobrev does not know every curve and angle of Ian Somerhalder's ass at this point in time. She knew where the top of that pocket was, but nope, she took the opportunity to get a quick feel in, hahahahahahaha! Can't say I really blame her.

Bless the girl, she really gave it her all, but Elena’s brand of manipulation is not/wasn’t ever sexual.

Yup, and honestly, it was pretty adorable at how hard she tried, but yet so did not pull it off, LOL!

It’s basically the same peeve I have with Caroline about Damon: you can hate someone as much as you want, you may even have abundant, iron-cast reasons to do so… but in that case you cannot expect anything from them [...] you don’t ask for comfort.

Yeah, but I get where Caroline is coming from. Like with Elena, it's easy to forget that Caroline is young. She's technically 18 years old (what with her birthday last season), and has been through quite a lot herself. My only concern will be if we never get any thing regarding her hypocrisy with Damon and Klaus. But I do think we will, so I guess it's not even really a concern, you know?

...this was “Well, you’re a terrible person and I hate you and I’ve repeatedly told you so, but now I’ve done a terrible thing and maybe that makes me a terrible person too, so I may as well ask you to put aside your feelings and cater to mine.” Which, gross.

I really don't agree. I don't think Caroline wanting comfort is that bad despite what she said to Klaus earlier. She said those things to Klaus BECAUSE he's done terrible things (such as, oh, staking her and biting her, practically damn near letting her die because he was pissed at her boyfriend--who was pissed because Klaus had killed his mother). She had tried to see a better part of him, and he essentially pissed all over that, and instead of showing any remorse, and instead of putting where Caroline was emotionally wrecked right now first--which he would do if he truly did care for her--he used the opportunity to send a verbal jab her way. Look at it this way: Had Damon done crappy things, and Elena called him on it, and then found herself in a horrifying situation and she turned to Damon for comfort... Damon would have done everything he possibly could to comfort her.

And that is why I'm a Damon/Elena shipper and I don't ship Klaus/Caroline, and why I adore Damon, and not Klaus. And why I can still love both Elena and Caroline because they are dealing with two men who have done truly terrible things (although, of course, I love Elena more, and of course, Klaus is waaaaay more terrible than Damon).

I totally expected Klaus to bust out a “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

I do feel differently in that I don't think this showed Klaus root-worthy while I'm all for Rhett. He IS awful and terrible and he HAS tried to make her believe that he truly cares for her and he had yet another opportunity to show that and instead he hurt her even more. When you claim to love someone, even when they're upset with you (deserved or not and Klaus' is sooooo deserved), when push comes to shove, when your love is needed? You give it. Klaus didn't. He was an ass. I'm Team Caroline here.
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on March 22nd, 2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
I totally get why she did what she did. It was awful, no-good, bad, terrible consequence-making-thingie that she did. But I get why. She didn't think; she saw her best friend about to be killed and she just reacted. I get it.

Obviously I get her too, it was a supremely sucky situation. That said, witches can be powerful but vamp strength and speed still prevail, as we’ve seen. Couldn’t have Stefan, Klaus and her just zoomed around and knocked all witches out, Bonnie included? Thrown some of them on their shoulders and hoofed it away from that place?
I don’t expect Caroline to think so clearly in such a situation, but at least 1000 y.o. Klaus could come up with something similar.


I mean, DAYUM! She didn't remember any of it.

I fear I need more proof of this. It’s too convenient. Until she’s alone with Silas I reserve judgement.


Elena was so cute showing off her haircut to Damon. :)

Her little grinning face! The hairflips! So adorbs. And I love how, even in the midst of it all, Damon still found the time to compliment her about it.


I seriously love that Damon was disgusted by Will being a hoarder/pat rack because Damon so would being the neat-freak that he be.

Well, Damon has hystorically bitched at Stefan for being a similar pack rat, so it’s consistent. And yet, Damon himself has photos and mementoes about his past (see his photo here and the New Orleans address in 4x08)


Bonnie's freaky eyes. Just, freaky.

Would have been freakier if I hadn’t seen them on Willow in Buffy s.7 and on Storm in the various X-Men movies.


"You were Lexi-d!?"

OMG, the gossipy moments were priceless! This was amazing in the sheer “Are you kidding me? Say it ain’t so!” vibe, but honorable mention for the Bekster snarking about Bon Jovi concerts, I’m so relieved she didn’t buy into all of Stefan’s tripe.


Hmm, could we possibly get Jeremy and Ric back then?

Jeremy it could be, Ric… how is The Following going? :) But really, when Klaus was talking about his supernatural enemies coming back I thought “Pffft! You just don’t want to see Mommy and Daddy again!”


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Arabian: Alaric02arabian on March 23rd, 2013 09:21 am (UTC)
That said, witches can be powerful but vamp strength and speed still prevail, as we’ve seen. Couldn’t have Stefan, Klaus and her just zoomed around and knocked all witches out, Bonnie included?

Because Stefan had already tried to talk to the main witch and he'd been whammied, so he had taken his shot, and was instead trying to figure something out, but wouldn't be able to accomplish what you suggest on his own, or even with just Caroline. And Stefan, while he cares for Bonnie, is not so attached to her that he wouldn't be able to think clearly and see that saving Bonnie wasn't possible without losing the witches. Klaus doesn't care about Bonnie at all, and he wants the spell to not be cast, so he just figured 'kill Bonnie' and it's taken care of. All done. Caroline was the only one who was THAT attached to Bonnie that she wouldn't be thinking clearly at all and would just do what she did.

I don’t expect Caroline to think so clearly in such a situation, but at least 1000 y.o. Klaus could come up with something similar.

Again, Klaus would WANT Bonnie to die here. She dies, Silas' plan dies with her for a good while until all the pieces can be put into place again.

I fear I need more proof of this. It’s too convenient. Until she’s alone with Silas I reserve judgement.

I didn't think of that, could be possible, but I guess I don't think Bonnie is a good enough actress. And I think if it wasn't supposed to be true, I don't know why she'd go back to pre-Jeremy's death.

And I love how, even in the midst of it all, Damon still found the time to compliment her about it.

I know. SQUEE!!!

Damon himself has photos and mementoes about his past (see his photo here and the New Orleans address in 4x08)

Ah, but Damon has his stuff in one trunk, packed away and not decorating his room into a disaster area, LOL! His room always looks nice and clean (except when Elena goes white-oak stake hunting, of course).

Would have been freakier if I hadn’t seen them on Willow in Buffy s.7 and on Storm in the various X-Men movies.

Eh, I stopped watching Buffy in s5 and it's been years since I watched X-Men. Special effects are going to be repeated all over the place, it's not that they were freaky-looking so much, but rather that it was freaky seeing such a thing on Bonnie so unexpectedly. Like with many things in this show, it's all about character. :)

Jeremy it could be, Ric… how is The Following going? :)

Matt Davis is on The Cult. If he was on The Following, this would be a different discussion because TF is doing really, really well. On the other hand, TC is doing DISMALLY, like really, really, really, REALLY bad. Like horrifically bad for even the CW. Yeah, that bad!

But really, when Klaus was talking about his supernatural enemies coming back I thought “Pffft! You just don’t want to see Mommy and Daddy again!”

Oh, it's TOTES about Esther and Mikael. TOTALLY!
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La vida de llorona: delenalaudanumdream on March 22nd, 2013 07:31 pm (UTC)
1) I really like Elena's hair now!
2) I thought the gif of her looking up at him after feeding was really hot!
3) I don't talk to the tv often, but when I watched him all "in lurve" with Lexi I was like, "No.... not happening" and then it was all explained and I was like, "Thank you!" because I seriously thought a Klaus/Haley moment was happening with Lexi and Damon.
4) Killing witches....whaaaaat?!?!?! Caroline killing witches..... double whaaaaat?!?! I was like a minion from Despicable Me.
5) I actually enjoyed the scene where Klaus got all puppy eyes with Caroline and then basically said, "Go find someone who cares" because she kind of deserved that. I get why she's in a terrible place, but I don't know why she was expecting sympathy from him. She expects stuff from Klaus and then kind of guilts him into delivering. Given the fact that he could have killed her multiple times (he's supposed to be ruthless afterall) and he's kept her alive... even so much as curing her of werewolf bites twice, says something to me. I know they're over and whatnot... I just get annoyed because Klaus actually does have a different side to him. We saw it when he teared up after slaughtering his hybrids and when Stefan talked to him about there not really being someone there who understands him. I think later Stefan even talked to Caroline about that if memory serves me correctly. Klaus is just stunted in his emotions. He wants a connection, a bond, but he can't seem to get it naturally so he forces it on people, which in turn causes him to do terrible things. In 4x12:

Klaus: Ahh, for the love of Elena. How is it that she manages to overlook every horrific thing you have ever done. Is it willful ignorance or perhaps something more pathological?
Damon: Some people are just more capable of forgiveness than others. I bet you score about a -500 in that realm.
Klaus: Come on. There must be a secret. It can't just be the sire bond. What is it? Compulsion? Manipulation? What is it you say to her?
Damon: I think this has something to do with a certain blonde vampire. I think you murdered Carol Lockwood and you're worried that Caroline is never going to forgive you.
Klaus: You've done worse.
Damon: Debatable. See, I don't mind being the bad guy because somebody has to fill that role and get things done. You do bad things for no reason. You do them to be a dick.
Klaus: Debatable.
Damon: If you're going to be bad, be bad with purpose. Otherwise you're just not worth forgiving.

It sums up the WHOLE feel I have for Damon and for Klaus. When Klaus asked what Damon says to Elena it was like he was desperate to find the switch, but he can't find the switch because there is no switch. It's like people always say, you can't go out looking for love. It just happens.

Anyway, I know you don't like the whole Klaus/Caroline, but I just had to get that off my chest! That scene plays over and over in my head.

Arabian: Caroline05arabian on March 23rd, 2013 09:35 am (UTC)
1) I really like Elena's hair now!

I'm still shocked at how well the TVD hairstylists did her hair because I haven't liked much how I've seen Nina style it, but on the show it looked fantastic!

2) I thought the gif of her looking up at him after feeding was really hot!

I know, right? SO HAWT!!

3) I don't talk to the tv often, but when I watched him all "in lurve" with Lexi I was like, "No.... not happening" and then it was all explained and I was like, "Thank you!" because I seriously thought a Klaus/Haley moment was happening with Lexi and Damon.

Yeah, I've seen others mention that they were worried about it until Damon told Elena what happened and I'm just surprised because as soon as he said that he didn't care about Katherine, I knew he was playing Lexi, no way that he was over Katherine after only a few months of Lexi's nagging, LOL! With that said, I don't see how it would be comparable to Klaus/Hayley. Hayley and Klaus were already seen as working together, and essentially being quite similar in thinking. I don't think they were fantastic scenes but I blame that on less build-up and the awfulness of Phoebe Tonkin, but I didn't think it was completely out there.

4) Killing witches....whaaaaat?!?!?! Caroline killing witches..... double whaaaaat?!?! I was like a minion from Despicable Me.

I KNOW!!! (And I love Despicable Me!!)

5) I actually enjoyed the scene where Klaus got all puppy eyes with Caroline and then basically said, "Go find someone who cares" because she kind of deserved that.

I really don't think she did. I just don't think Caroline wanting comfort is that bad despite what she said to him earlier. She said those things to Klaus BECAUSE he's done terrible things (such as, oh, staking her and biting her, practically damn near letting her die because he was pissed at her boyfriend--who was pissed because Klaus had killed his mother). She had tried to see a better part of him, and he essentially pissed all over that, and instead of showing any remorse, and instead of putting where Caroline was emotionally wrecked right now first--which he would do if he truly did care for her--he used the opportunity to send a verbal jab her way. Look at it this way: Had Damon done crappy things, and Elena called him on it, and then found herself in a horrifying situation and she turned to Damon for comfort... Damon would have done everything he possibly could to comfort her.

But that is why I'm a Damon/Elena shipper and I don't ship Klaus/Caroline, and why I adore Damon, and not Klaus. And why I can still love both Elena and Caroline because they are dealing with two men who have done truly terrible things (although, of course, I love Elena more, and of course, Klaus is waaaaay more terrible than Damon, but I do still love Klaus).

It's like people always say, you can't go out looking for love. It just happens.

Yeah, I guess for me it's because I don't think that love happened to Klaus. He wouldn't have done what he did to Caroline that he did in the Gilbert home, wouldn't have come that close to letting her die and he would tried to comfort her because she's in pain. But, yeah, I don't ship them, but ....

Anyway, I know you don't like the whole Klaus/Caroline

It's actually not that I don't like the whole K/C story. I actually like it a lot and I think that Joseph Morgan and Candice Accola have great chemistry (I like her chemistry with him best BY FAR after her chem with Paul Wesley). I just don't ship them because Klaus isn't ready to love someone yet. He's still too, well, terrible, at this point to be ready to love someone. But hey, by the time TVD ends, they might get CA over to TO (if it's still going) and things could play out differently. :)
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faith5by5_1013: The Vampire Diaries: Carolinefaith5by5_1013 on March 23rd, 2013 01:25 am (UTC)
Hmm, could we possibly get Jeremy and Ric back then? I mean, come on, give us something for all the mess this potentially could cause if the unveiling happens.

There are quite a few characters who I would love to see come back (and some who I want to see stay far, far away). Part of me is all excited at the possibilities, but I also get very frustrated when shows and movies are too quick to bring anyone and everyone they kill off back to life. It cheapens character deaths, imo. Certain shows kill off a character and all I think is "They're just going to bring that person back next week anyway." It doesn't hurt the way a character's death should.
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on March 23rd, 2013 09:43 am (UTC)
I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't want everyone to come back, but because of how they've handled the death of these characters, I do think it doesn't cheapen it on this show. The deaths matter. Three seasons and five episodes later, Vicki's death is still brought up mattering to Matt. Ric is still mentioned to Damon. Hell, ten episodes ago Elena was still dealing with her mother's death--who died pre-show. So the deaths still matters and it HURTS a lot still. Plus, we don't know if any of these characters will come back beyond a brief appearance (like Ric at the end of 4.02) and because this show DOES kill main cast characters, the audience reacts as if the character is dead and gone because they really can be as we've known them as a regular cast member.

But I do get your point for sure. :)

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jamdourado: pic#119645665jamdourado on March 23rd, 2013 04:35 am (UTC)
Damon thinking he was playing and Elena thinking she was playing him, can these two be more OTP???

OK, I loved Elena and Rebekah, these two are awesome together.

The last Caroline scene was my favorite, first, someone finally showed remorse for killing random supernatural people, and she was so vulnerable that she was going to accept Klaus' comfort and thank you show for making Klaus being an ass because he might fancy her but he doesn't care about her. Not to mention that it could've been Stefan actually comforting her.

I can't imagine how depressed Bonnie will get, not only she had no agency, but she helped to do the third sacrifice and kill 12 of her kind and she still doesn't know about Jeremy. My bb girl.

70's was hoooot!! And Lexi really believe he fell for her??? Oh and Elena should keep this new haircut , she was totally happy when she saw Damon's face.
Arabian: Damon & Elena20arabian on March 23rd, 2013 09:47 am (UTC)
can these two be more OTP???

I'm not sure it's possible, but with these two we may get more proof yet, LOL!

I loved Elena and Rebekah, these two are awesome together.

So agreed. :)

she was so vulnerable that she was going to accept Klaus' comfort and thank you show for making Klaus being an ass because he might fancy her but he doesn't care about her. Not to mention that it could've been Stefan actually comforting her.

YES! I think you're one of very few who agree with me on this one. Absolutely!
lovetvdanddamon on March 23rd, 2013 08:48 pm (UTC)
This is my first time posting but I've read all your recaps for Season 4 so far and enjoyed them!
What prompted me to actually write and not lurk anymore is that you hate Lexi. I seriously thought I was the ONLY person on the planet who hates Lexi! I feel like I've come home after seeing that not only do you hate Lexi, but so do several people that commented. Oh, Thank God! ;)

In 162 Candles, Lexi, to me, was fine. I was sorry for Stefan when Damon killed her but I didn't really care about her, at all. In each subsequent flashback involving Lexi, the writers have made her so annoying and so damaging (in my opinion) to Stefan, that I've grown to just hate her. Of course, 4X8 finished her off for me. What the hell kind of messed up psychology did that girl use on Stefan and on Damon?! I was so so so glad Damon had killed her after the end of the Bourbon Street episode that when I saw preview stills for 4X17 with her in them, I was not looking forward to seeing her. As glad as I was that Damon killed her is as glad as I am that he freakin' played her psycho ass first! I don't really like the retcon reason for killing her added in - his reasoning for killing Lexi was perfectly valid at the time and it still is just as valid without adding any Lexi crap/guilt to it. There, sorry, Lexi rant over. I feel so much better! LOL

I liked this episode a lot better than last week's episode. Although it didn't seem to move as quickly as usual, a lot went down and it was pretty significant. The triangle is complete and Caroline is the one who did the killing! I haven't been much of a Klaroline shipper but I've enjoyed their "moments". I heart Caroline but I'm also kind of a bad person, because I felt like she was owed a little Elena beat down last week (although almost killing her was NOT acceptable) and this week I felt like how snarky Klaus was with her was earned too. I hope the end of the season goes better for Caroline - she's had a rough season 4 so far. I'm with you, she should go ahead and take Stefan "out for a spin". I've never really shopped Steroline either but after 4X16, I'm kinda liking it. She makes him smile, I mean, actually smile with teeth and everything - I wish that for Stefan.

Any scenes with Damon and Elena are wonderful for me and last night was no exception. Love them, love their interactions.
And how great was Rebekah? That slap down with the guy hitting on her in the bar was absolutely hilarious!! I officially joined Team Rebekah at that moment.

Sorry for the long ramble - this is the only place I felt like I wouldn't get flamed for my Lexi hate. So thank you!
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder04arabian on March 24th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC)
Hah! I ramble!!! Part 1 of 2 -

This is my first time posting but I've read all your recaps for Season 4 so far and enjoyed them!

I don't know, I think you missed the one for episode 08 (Lexi's first appearance this season). That one had an entire section ("LEXI SUCKS! A LOT! A LOT *LOT* LOT! LIKE LOTS OF LOT!") devoted to how much I hate her (with a timeline of my hate build-up, which essentially mirrors your own), and the comments were filled with plenty o' Lexi-hate. :D If you're interested, here are the write-ups for the episode where she was featured. I wasn't doing write-ups for season 01, so I don't have my 1.08 thoughts on her, but I was pretty meh on her in that one.

- The Dinner Party
- Ghost World
- We'll Always Have Bourbon Street (the motherlode!)

I don't really like the retcon reason for killing her added in - his reasoning for killing Lexi was perfectly valid at the time and it still is just as valid without adding any Lexi crap/guilt to it

Well, I actually didn't see it as a retcon, nor did I think he was saying that his killing her was about guilt for what he did to her specifically in the 70s. He said that Lexi became "a walking, talking reminder of all the bad things I had done." So I saw it as when Lexi showed up, he didn't kill her because he felt guilty that he played her so much but rather that Lexi was an embodiment of all the crappy things he'd done. And unsaid by Damon, but which I fully believe, is that because Damon was hanging around Stefan again, his humanity was beginning to peek out more and more. And, of course, Elena was beginning to get to Damon (Lexi's return was right after "Haunted," the episode where Damon compelled Jeremy just because he wanted to help Elena). Lexi was basically just a symbol of the crap he'd pulled and Damon didn't want that reminder shoved in his face, so blamm-o, down with Lexi. :D I mean, he really did just about say that. After saying that she was the walking, talking reminder of all the bad things I had done, he mentions that when he saw her again there was a rush of guilt. The rush of guilt wasn't specifically over screwing Lexi (hehehehehe), but because of all of the bad things he had done.

Also, it CAN NEVER NOT BE SAID! Lexi could have run away, zoomed off into the night, but noooooooooo! She decided to get all fang-faced and was about to attack Sheriff Forbes. So yeah, Damon had the stake handy because, yeah -- and this is where I don't see it as retcon -- killing Lexi if the opportunity presented himself allowed him to keep all the stuff he felt guilty for tamped down... BUT! If Lexi had run away, Damon wouldn't have had to stake her. Sure he killed Lexi, helped to momentarily keep his guilt at bay, but he also saved Sheriff Forbes' life. (Not that he cared at that point, but the fact is he still saved her!) And I will choose Liz over Lexi ANY SECOND OF THE DAY!

There, sorry, Lexi rant over. I feel so much better! LOL

Rant away. This is save-Lexi-hating ground. :D

TBC

Edited at 2013-03-24 04:53 am (UTC)
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vanimy: Elenavanimy on April 28th, 2013 06:11 pm (UTC)
*waves*

Hey, I'm back, well, sort of. I just started catching up on TVD (I just finished 4x18 so two more to go) and I was.... pleasantly surprised with 4x17 (and 4x18 gave me life but that's for your other review lol).

I agreed with almost everything you wrote about the episode.

I think what's great about catching up so late in the game is how I didn't follow anything on tumblr and was thus completely spoiler free. So I was completely surprised when the massacre was about witches instead of vampires like you were. I was also shocked Caroline was the one killing all the witches.

Color me surprised too when Klaus just ditched her in the woods, I was expecting it to be a romantic moment or whatever but the writers went for the opposite and I liked it.

What I disagreed with you on was Klaus and Caroline. They're growing on me again, don't know why. They can go on with their back and forth all they want, I'm entertained.

Damon and Lexi, hehe. I totally saw his playing her coming. He used the exact same technique and voice and everything with Rebekah back when he invited her into his house with Sage. It totally explains their relationship in season 1. I'm glad Damon wasn't played by Elena though.

I really liked the whole Damon/Elena tidbits in this episode oh and I liked Stefan too, even pointless Stefan, lol.

Off to your 4x18 review!
Arabian: Damon16arabian on April 29th, 2013 02:40 am (UTC)
I knew you weren't watching it because of your post and I didn't think you were in the mood to hear.... but the next few episodes are AWESOME! Because I'm so this show's bitch, that I'm pretty much always going to say that, right? So I gave you space, and I'm glad you jumped back in.

My goodness, tumbrl is a cesspool of negativity. We were talking about in the thread for 4.20 and I'm just gonna quote what I said there. So many things play nothing like as spec'ced, but it doesn't stop people from spec'cing the worst and bitching non-stop before the episode airs. And even when it doesn't play out as negatively spec'ced because that feeling was so prevalent, it taints the episode. It drives me batty. I don't want to spoil you for 19 and 20, but I'll say that while I really, really, really liked 20 (more than I expected), I ADORED 19, like SO MUCH!!!!

Witch Massacre and "I was also shocked Caroline was the one killing all the witches."

I am still trying to be spoiler free so I didn't know that stuff either and it was shocking to me!

I totally saw his playing her coming.

Yup, so obvious (I was honestly surprised by the number of people who DIDN'T realize it until he told Elena), and I LOVED it.

As for 4.18, you liked that one better than this, and I liked this one better than that (but I *was* spoiled (grr) about the Elena/Elijah kiss and you know how I feel about that ick pairing so I was dreading it. I'm hoping that a rewatch will remove that taint to it, because, duh, it was totally all Katherine/Elijah and you know that I adore them). But this one I absolutely loved. SO MUCH.

I'll try to get to your 4.18 responses tonight or tomorrow. SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK! :)
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