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23 February 2013 @ 04:20 am
4.15 - 'Stand By Me' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Wow. What an amazing episode. I've watched it twice. Last night, and then this evening, and just wow. With that said, this was a really difficult post to write. I stopped and started several times. There was just so much feeling and I didn't know how to put it into words. I finally did manage to do so, but I don't think that I even remotely came close to capturing what was so brilliant about the episode. But I tried.

Let's just get the sire bond stuff out of the way... with each new episode, my theory is evolving, LOL! But I still don't see how it's real, the inconsistencies are just so there. Damon tells Elena to talk to him, and she brushes him off. Damon tells Elena he needs her to calm down, she doesn't. Damon tells Elena to turn the switch on, she does it. Damon tells Elena to not burn down the house, she does. One out of four commands obeyed are not very good odds and, along with all of the other things pre- and post-sire bond reveal that Damon told her to do/not do that she didn't/did do, the inconsistency is just too there.

So, my evolving theory is now that, yes, Shane hypnotized Elena to listen to Damon while at the lake house -- presumably with her drinking his special tea -- in order to push the two to want to find the cure. And that is why we got such a significantly different reaction from Elena where she explained to Damon how she wanted to argue with him, but everything in her body was making her obey him. And prior to the sire bond reveal, with Damon and Charlotte, and post the sire bond reveal, that is the ONLY time that we've seen that type of notable reaction to the sire bond being invoked.

At the time I thought that Shane had hypnotized Elena to follow direct commands from Damon only. However, because Damon gave her direct commands in this last episode and she only followed one of them, I'm thinking that the hypnotism just lasted while the tea was in Elena's system. So it was just hypnotism that effected her at the lake house, but no sire bond. And we will discover that when Damon decides to invoke the sire bond to make her turn the humanity switch back on... and she won't do it. Elena turned the switch off not because Damon told her to, but because she was in so much incredible agony that she wanted to make it stop and Damon reminded her of an option that she, as a vampire, has to do so. So she stopped it.

Seeing how negative the sire bond has been portrayed as I just don't see how it's real, and so all of the inconsistencies and things that don't add up are going to keep picking at my brain and my theory will continue to evolve until it's revealed or all is said and done.

And that's all I'm saying about the sire bond. Moving onto the rest of the episode...

One of the highlighted aspects of this episode was siblings... ranging from the one line Rebekah spoke to the dual mentions of Vicki to the one scene with Stefan and Damon and, finally, to the entire episode revolving around Elena and Jeremy. That Rebekah was able to show, even for a moment, sympathy for Elena's loss of her brother as she had already lost two of hers (even if Elena and Jeremy were directly responsible for Kol, and indirectly for Finn) is indicative of how strongly the bonds of familial (especially of the sibling-variety) love are reflected on this show.

We've known from the first episode of the series how important the relationship between Matt and his sister, Vicki, is to him and that's a strain that has continued throughout the seasons even with the character's departure only seven episodes in. One of my favorite moments -- and there were many, many moments in this episode -- was when the four friends sat around the kitchen table and the sound got slightly distorted as Bonnie tried to convince the others to let her kill twelve people. As she listed the people who could return, when she said Vicki's name, Matt's head shot up and there was this heartbreaking look of hope and grief because the possibility of getting Vicki back was amazing, but the cost was too incredibly high.

Which Elena realized herself. It was knowing that her hope -- that had rested upon Bonnie's magic -- would not only open the door to likely hundreds of thousands of vampires, werewolves, witches, many of who are not good, but it would also involve killing twelve (more) people, that made her give up hope for Jeremy's revival. She knew that she couldn't do it. As much as she loves her brother, as much as she wants him back, as much as the idea that she had lost her last family member ripped her apart, she couldn't do that. She could not do that.

Which led to an absolutely amazing scene where Nina Dobrev blew the roof off. Kicking aside Jeremy's sketches, dissing his Xbox, pouring alcohol all over the floor and her brother's body, challenging Damon if he was willing to open that door to so many monsters, to kill twelve people just to get his drinking buddy back, she was magnificent. Elena, on the other hand, was just absolutely heartbreaking. Explaining in a stilted voice that was on the verge of breaking down with every syllable that there was no more room in the Gilbert family plot because Jenna and John had taken the last spots, unaffected by Caroline's cry begging her to stop, the emotion just kept rising. Holding the lit match while she shook, tears falling, Elena herself was on the verge of breaking when the match almost fell and Damon zoomed over to catch it.

And then she did break.

Sobbing uncontrollably, begging for the pain to stop, falling into Damon's arms, of course, he told her to turn the switch off. Of course, of course he did. How could he not? How could he look at this girl he loves so much, watching her completely fall apart and not tell her to turn it off, thus making it stop. And that Stefan was persuaded so quickly that Damon had made the right choice makes just as much sense because he loves her too and he had been watching her slowly fall apart all day long. Heartbreaking stuff.

Also heartbreaking, but in the absolutely best way possible was that Damon and Stefan scene. Oh my Lord! Behind every word, every look, every touch, you could practically hear the choked up "I love you, man, you're my brother!" And it was beautiful. That Julie Plec (the episode's sole writer, and her first time going solo and boy, oh, boy, did she deliver!) used the situation with Jeremy to get Stefan and Damon to stop being so stupid and realize that what matters is family and when you have that family, don't throw it away, was brilliant. Elena lost her brother, Damon and Stefan still have each other and this was a moment of quiet epiphany for them that I hope (and believe) will last for some time.

And it was really, really, really beautiful.

I also found the fact that Damon gets that, he gets that as much as Elena loves him (or believes she loves him), he's not her entire world. As much as Damon is a romantic, he doesn't romanticize love, not anymore, while Stefan still does. Regardless of how much he accepts is real and is the sire bond, Stefan is allowing that Elena loves Damon right now, and in his mind, because of how he does romanticize love (and lots of other things), that should be enough. But, of course, it's not and Damon does realize that... which I believe continues to show just how strong the foundation and depth of love between he and Elena is. :)

So what happens now? The switch is off, what will Elena be like? I read an interview with Julie Plec that wasn't spoilery so much as a reiteration of what had been said in the past about the differences between Katherine and Elena. And her response was fascinating. She said that she'd told Nina that the key difference between Katherine and Elena is that everything that Katherine says comes from a place of dishonesty and that everything Elena says comes from a place of truth. Interesting, yes? Uh huh.

There were several moments in this episode that were just, plainly put, perfection. Some because of the writing, some because of the acting, others because of the characters involved. For whatever reason, there were so many moments -- ranging from a line or a look, to much more than one moment -- that just made me react...

- I whined quite a bit about the idiocy of the new "previlouslies" at the start of the season (and I still think those early ones stunk), but as they've begun to cover stuff this season, the phrasing of those "previliousies" have grown stronger with more oomph. The one for this episode was an absolute gut-punch. Various characters talk about their determination to get the cure, the plan they put in place... and then over Jeremy's dead body, we heard Jeremy say: "and we failed." GUT. PUNCH.

- Damon's going all bloody-eyed and vein-y when he heard an unexpected noise... whoo boy! Come on, ya'll, it was hot!


- Caroline's reaction fell into her need to do things, call people, make lists, make a casserole. A small moment, a few lines, but an absolutely beautiful encapsulation of the adorable, control-freak personality of Caroline Forbes.

- Caroline asking what the smell was, and my horrified realization what exactly it was before Stefan even answered.

- Bonnie's grief making the fire rage higher and higher.

- Matt's face when he walked in and saw Jeremy's body on the bed.

- Elena telling Matt that it would be fine. Her fallback mantra.

- "And then I got boned by my vixen-nemesis, Miss Katherine Pierce." BWAHAHAHAHAAH! "My vixen-nemesis."

- Rebekah's horrible recitation of what they would do to Vaughn, and Damon's reaction ("you are creepy") followed by her cheerful, appreciative "thank you." Double BWAHAHAHAHAAH!

- Damon and Bonnie hugging! AWWW!! I love their relationship; I love how it's been building (minus the horrible Butler-direction of "The Five") and so seeing this moment just made me awww ALL OVER THE PLACE! LOVED IT!

- Damon saying Caroline's name so seriously as he told her to get his brother. He's normally so snarky and antagonistic with Caroline, that seeing the effect the severity of the situation was having on him was very telling of just how bad it was.

- The intercutting of the conversations between Damon and Stefan, Bonnie, Caroline, Matt and Elena, and flashback!Bonnie and Shilas was BRILLIANTLY done. Perfect editing and sound mixing. Just absolutely stellar, and it was highlighted by that moment mentioned above when Matt looked up at the mention of Vicki's name.

- Elena bringing her to hands up to her face to cover them in grief and the fresh smell of Jeremy's body decomposing on the blanket she had just touched hitting her was another solid gut punch.

- I mentioned the amazing, amazing, amazing scene above when Elena began pouring alcohol all over, but the one line that gets to me the most absolutely in that entire scene is this one: "There's no room in the Gilbert family plot. Jenna and John took the last spots." It just guts me every damn time. Even as she is finally beginning to just lose it and fall apart, she's talking about logistics and it is the most heartbreaking thing because, yes, she's lost THAT much family that there is no more room in her family's cemetery plot. And she is barely 18 years old. Just. Wow.

- Damon catching the match before it fell. That was just... cool. Really, really cool.


- Elena's reaction to Damon telling her to calm down: "No, no, no, I can't, I can't--" as she fell to the ground. Damn, Nina Dobrev was beyond, beyond amazing. So good. SO DAMN GOOD.

- The rising crescendo of music ending once Elena turned her switch off as the camera pulled away from her expressionless face to Stefan and Caroline watching the kneeling Damon and Elena. And the camera just held on that even as the music was gone leaving only silence. That was just incredibly powerful.

- Matt breaking down in the truck because he still did have hope as he told Elena at the stoner pit, and then it was taken away. I loved that scene so much because it was so unnecessary plot-wise. It added nothing to the main story, nothing to the narrative, it was all about the character and the connection and his history as we know it on this show and it was so perfect, and so right and Zach Roerig was so open and vulnerable. The next time someone complains that this show doesn't allow time to show these characters feeling, reacting, I'm gonna show them this scene which is so very emblematic of how these characters FEEL. And this scene, man, it was just another heartwrenchingly beautiful moment in an episode filled with so many such moments.

- Damon and Stefan. On the porch.
    Stefan: I just, uhm... I want you to know that, uhm...
    Damon: I know, Stefan.
FANGIRLING ALL OVER THE PLACE AT THE SHEER BEAUTY OF THE BROTHERLY LOVE ON DISPLAY!


- The trio walking out of the burning house. An iconic moment if ever there was one. And such an awesome character moment -- Damon and Elena keep on walking, looking straight ahead. Stefan pauses and looks back.

- Jeremy burning. The sketches burning. The converses burning. The diary burning. The collection of Elena's past, her insecurities, her fears, her suffering... and it burned. Whoah.

OK, some randoms now...

- Yup, I totally bow to bogwitch's complaint. Vaughn does not sound even remotely Scottish. He doesn't quite sound Irish, but he sounds like he's going for Irish. Scottish isn't even in the ballpark there.

- With that said, I think it's totally awesome that Katherine tracked down a Hunter -- whose mission in life is to kill vampires -- and he's pretty much working for her. Because Katherine is *that* awesome. And to add to that, Katherine has Hayley, a werewolf -- who are the sworn enemies of vampires -- working for her. Because Katherine is *THAT* awesome. And, ooh, the plot (for The Originals spin-off) thickens. Katherine found Hayley in New Orleans.

- Hahahahaha! I laughed so hard during the Stefan/Meredith scene on the stairs because Torrey Devitto and Paul Wesley (married in real life) were totally eye-fucking each other. Cracked me up SO HARD.

- I liked that, even though gone, Tyler's friendship with Jeremy was remembered and Caroline made such an effort to tell him and we were shown that.

- So Shane is Silas. Thus... Shilas!

- And yes, little Gilbert is officially dead-dead-dead. His body was burned. He isn't coming back except in a flashback, dream state or ghostly visit which will be a lot harder now to manufacture since Jeremy was our resident ghost whisperer. bogwitch pointed out that Matt can see ghosts too, or at least, he did with Vicki after he drowned himself, so there's that. Still, damnit. Jeremy, you will be missed. You will be sorely missed.

Wow. I just... wow. That was an absolutely amazing episode. The Vampire Diaries just continues to outdo itself. I love this show, I love this show, I love this show, I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH!!!!!!!!
 
 
 
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on February 23rd, 2013 11:02 am (UTC)
But Matt can ghost whisper too, remember. (I assume I am remembering right...)

Yeah, great episode. This season has been so strong! I don't have a lot to say about this episode though. I was right about the destruction of the house.

I actually think Vaughn's accent was much better in this ep, although that might just be me getting used to it. It was far less distracting anyway. I didn't hear any Irish in it this time, I felt he was going for Desmond from Lost.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on February 23rd, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
You're right. He was able to see Vicki, but we haven't seen him work that mojo since. Hmm.... Good point.

This season has been so strong!

THIS!

I don't know if Vaughn's accent was better or worse, I just know that knowing it was supposed to be Scottish now, it really struck me this time, LOL!
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hotarujazz: hands and dance 4x07hotarujazz on February 23rd, 2013 12:02 pm (UTC)
I agree with you on this episode...I loved it. Nina was oscar-worthy and the rest of the cast was not far behind her(with the exception of Vaughn).

I am celebrating the Bamon moments! They are my ultimate broship on this show and everyone always tells me that I'm crazy when I say that they would be love interests for each other if there was no Elena. She is just his type of women and he is the only one willing to challenge her but respects her opinions. But because there is Elena, I can so ship them in friends capacity! I love their dynamic and that Elena said that he kinda loves her but because he loves her he is mean to her! :D I hope to see some more meaningful moments for them in this season because I feel like they are in a place where that would be believable unlike some other times on the show!

I loved Matty this episode so much. Caroline didn't annoy me but in one moment. Stefan annoyed me because he was useless for most of the episode. although I kinda liked that the show made obvious that when Stefan is around Elena can hold on to the denial but when Damon comes back she can't anymore. I kinda got the message from it that she doesn't feel safe enough around Stefan to fall apart in his arms but she feels that she is safe enough around Damon to do it in Damon's arms.

I loved the nod to the family unit that formed in season 3 that consisted of Elena, Jeremy, Alaric and Damon. Damon laid Jeremy onto his funeral pyre and Elena lit the pyre. Stefan and Caroline just watched and were basically on the outside in those scenes.

Edited at 2013-02-23 12:03 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Jeremy01arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:20 am (UTC)
Nina was amazing, absolutely.

Erm, I can't agree about Damon and Bonnie because I couldn't see them romantically EVER with or without Elena in play. I love their building friendship, but anything more or even the idea of it, no, no, no. No. Just no.

Matt was wonderful, Caroline was perfection, and I actually mostly liked Stefan. Other than his insistence on bringing up the sire bond every two seconds, I thought Stefan was great. For one of the first times we saw him NOT taking advantage of Elena in a vulnerable situation. He stepped back, he didn't push, he didn't try and insert himself as her savior -- which he's always done in the past.

Damon laid Jeremy onto his funeral pyre and Elena lit the pyre. Stefan and Caroline just watched and were basically on the outside in those scenes.

Aww, very good point. :sniff sniff: So sad.
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eolivet on February 23rd, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
First of all, yes -- a great episode. :) Nina Dobrev's acting was phenomenal, and if her name were "Claire Danes, circa 1994" and TVD was on ABC, it would've netted her an Emmy nomination.

I just can't get behind Shane hypnotizing Elena -- especially since it means Silas mindcontrolling Shane to hypnotize Elena. I get why Silas would bother himself with a descendant of Qestiyah. I cannot understand why Silas would bother himself with some 200 year-old vampire who thinks his girlfriend's feelings for him aren't real (and again, I go back to Klaus -- who first posited the theory).

What I think is going to end up happening with the sire bond (and I can't take credit for this, it was somebody else's spec) is the show isn't going to go with "Fake!" but "Broken!" That turning off her humanity turns off her feelings, and thus her love for Damon that created the bond, now means Elena is free from it. That when Damon tries to get Elena to turn her humanity back on, and she won't (which I agree with), the revelation isn't going to be "OMG it was fake all along!" but "OMG turning off her feelings broke the sire bond! She's no longer sired to you, Damon!"

And as soon as THAT happens, I can happily start rooting for D/E for realsies once again. :D

The idea about the dead body smell was POWERFUL stuff -- so ordinary. I can't believe if "Buffy" dealt with that on "The Body" -- this seemed like a kissing cousin of that ep, but in a very TVD way. It was like humanity intruding on these supernatural creatures and their high-stakes world and just making us all remember that they're all kids of varying ages. 18 to 22 year olds, frozen in time. It's hard to remember that sometimes -- when they're out on grand, epic missions. In a way, this was a nice coda to the search for the cure -- where the 2,000 year-old vampire was awakened by a bunch of teenagers -- and they suffered very real, human consequences because of it.

I just...yeah. Powerful stuff. Matt was amazing -- and boy, I bet you never thought I'd say that, LOL.

(On a Silas note, I'm intrigued by the idea that Shane could've been a Silas doppleganger -- as the show is so fond of -- and it would explain his almost Biblical hairstyle. If so, smart styling on the part of TPTB! I always thought Shane had sort of a disenfranchised hippie look, but seeing him as Silas made me wonder if that is indeed what Silas looks like. IDK, it's neat that it was sort of staring us in the face the whole time [would also explain why the doppleganger of Silas would've befallen tragedy to his family -- how better to get him to fulfill his destiny?] Glad we get more David Alpay -- the transition from Shane to Silas was subtle, but effective, and now we get to see his TRUE cult leader potential if he's encouraged Bonnie to kill 12 people...wow...)
Arabian: Damon13arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:31 am (UTC)
Nina Dobrev's acting was phenomenal, and if her name were "Claire Danes, circa 1994" and TVD was on ABC, it would've netted her an Emmy nomination.

Agreed.

Re: Sire bond -- we're just gonna have to agree to disagree because I just don't see how it can be real with all the inconsistencies.

The idea about the dead body smell was POWERFUL stuff -- so ordinary.

It was SUCH a gut punch when Caroline asked that. All the death we've seen on this show, and they are either dead-dead, buried right away, or they come back before decomposition starts. So it was just... GUH!

Matt was amazing -- and boy, I bet you never thought I'd say that, LOL.

Very, very true. Matt Donovan... winnning over apathetic TVD-fans one episode at a time!

I'm intrigued by the idea that Shane could've been a Silas doppleganger -- as the show is so fond of -- and it would explain his almost Biblical hairstyle.

Hmm... that would be awesome. Very, very interesting. I can go with that. And yes anything that gives us more of David Alpay to enjoy totes works for me!
heartsewnsleeve on February 23rd, 2013 03:19 pm (UTC)
I love everything you said about this episode. My feelings and thoughts exactly! I also am so happy you mentioned about the sire-bond not being real. I was starting to feel that way myself.

I think this is one of the best episodes of Season 4, IMHO. :)

Edited at 2013-02-23 05:15 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena08arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:43 am (UTC)
My feelings and thoughts exactly!

This is one of the few episodes so far that I've seen that seems to be almost universally working for people. Yay!

the sire-bond not being real

I just don't see how it is. Way too many inconsistencies. If you're interested, I've written a few other posts about it -- one VERY long.

- Sire bond? Nah. It's love, baby, love!
- The Sire Bond, Take Two

I think this is one of the best episodes of Season 4

I think it's one of the best episodes of the series!
tj2013tj2013 on February 23rd, 2013 03:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the great recap. I agree with everything, and I am also VERY curious how this sirebond-stuff will play out. Ugh, I hadn't noticed Elena's hands when she just had touched Jer's blanket seconds before.
One parallel worth mentioning: Elena's words were the same as Rose's: "Make it stop!" And of course Damon would do it. He makes it stop.
And one thing is still bothering me. Rose told Damon that there actually is no switch. It is a self-defense mechanism, but in the end, that is how I understood it, the shutting-off of one's humanity is an illusion. I know Klaus told Stefan to do it, and Damon told Ric once he had switched himself off and so on... but still. This bugs me and I wonder if this will matter once more or if this was a "Rose-specific" insight, considering her age.
La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 23rd, 2013 04:22 pm (UTC)
THIS! I thought of Rose, too!
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prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on February 23rd, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
I don't even know what to say because this episode, THIS EPISODE, was probably one of the best episodes this show has ever done. I cried for a long time after it ended, i'm tearing up now just thinking about it. There was just so many intricacies to each and every line, moment, look, callback...it's just STUNNING! This episode beat some of the big networks in the ratings, which is the first time a CW show has ever bet two big networks, and you can see and understand why. If you just tuned into TVD for the first time and you watched that ending scene with Nina burning the house down, I can't even imagine how you won't be wanting to come back and see what's going to happen or to at least understand what this show is about because this show is about so much more than pretty vampires eating people and occasionally making out and it frustrates me so much when people assume so because of the title or when the die hard shipper fanbase bashes every episode where their favorite character/favorite couple isn't highlighted.

Anyway, onto the episode...your review was perfect and I agree it's so hard to put everything into words but what I loved the most about this ep is that they earned the character of Elena turning it off. I remember when I read some interviews about Elena turning way back before the premiere, I rolled my eyes at the thought that Elena's compassion would be heightened. It reminded me of STefan and his line to Caroline back in season 2 where he talked about his sensitivity or something being heightened as if he's the Edward to Elena's Bella. So eyeroll-worthy and I had the same reaction to Julie's comments about vamp Elena. Now, i get it. Now, I understand that it was perfectly in character for Elena to want to keep that humanity, that she wants to cherish it and never let it go. Why the writers chose to heighten her compassion above all else because that's Elena above all else and she has always respected humanity...as a vampire for sure that would be hieghtened. Julie was right to make her a compassionate, empathetic vampire and she was right to "earn" the humanity turned off storyline. Killing JEremy was the thing to get it done and it makes complete sense for Elena's character.

Arabian: Elena07arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:55 am (UTC)
I don't even know what to say because this episode

I know, right?!?!? It was soooooo hard to write this post. It really was one of their best episodes. Just outstanding.

This episode beat some of the big networks in the ratings, which is the first time a CW show has ever beat two big networks

Actually, this is the 4th time it beat ABC/NBC in the 18-49 demos (episode 7, 9 and 10 of the season). It still had lower Household ratings, but it's those demos that matter.

RE: Your last paragraph about Elena's compassion, humanity, Jeremy's death and the show earning that switch being turned off -- I completely agree. It was all so meticulously well-done and planned. Bravo.
prettygirl5130: pic#119743568prettygirl5130 on February 23rd, 2013 03:47 pm (UTC)
Now, what does this mean for Elena and the triangle? I guess that's my biggest question at the moment. After reading some interviews I think Elena's disinterest in the brothers and in pretty much everyone else is going to be comical at first, but that's gotta hurt right? I mean, how could it not especially when everyone has spent the majority of their time loving and appreciating Elena's capability to care about everyone all of the damn time, to the point where it actually became a bit of a achillies heel? Her relationship with Stefan and her acceptance of all of his bad deeds done to her, her foregiveness of Damon who has done some horrible things to her friends and family, her constant forgiveness of Caroline even in this season where Caroline has acted out of line, her empathy for the biggest baddest vampires no matter what they may done to her or her friends....all of that emotion is gone. Now, Elena doesn't care..she'll probably not even care about herself. It's just really, really sad but the writers were right in going there because they needed to dive deeper into Elena's psyche and her pain...she really has repressed so much anger and sadness over the years and you can tell it all started coming out in that last scene where she trashed everything. I'm going to guess that feeling nothing is going to feel pretty gosh darn good to her right now. If you think about it, Elena has spent so much time caring about EVERYTHING all of the time, not caring is probably going to feel like a relief and she may even be in a happies head space because of it. So I think Elena is going to choose to keep it turned off and Damon will let her, despite the bond, because he doesn't want her to be unhappy and in pain, which is what she'll be once she lets it in. So this may last for awhile.

This point brings me to what I wanted to say about the sire bond. Right now, i'm thinking TVD is going to make it real because I think it's past time for the reveal at the moment. They had a few chances to deal with the bond and dive into what it means and how it affect Elena's actions and choices and they basically squandered it away and that sucks, but I really do think no matter some of the inconsistencies that the bond is real and that no character can really tell us how it works because no one really knows. The way everything was framed in this episode, i think shows that the bond exists. I don't know if it will continue to exist while Elena has lost her humanity, but it started from Elena's human feelings which shouldn't have changed no matter what Elena may feel now. To be honest, they need the bond to still "control" Elena because otherwise why would this ELena care about anything? Why wouldn't she just kill everyone out of boredom? Why couldn't she just up and leave town? Season 1 Damon had Katherine as a driving force, but he turned it off himself. I think Stefan and Elena's actions and attitude while showing no humanity are different because they were basically "compelled" to turn it off. My theory is that when you're told to turn it off...it's very literal and you have no emotions but when you do it yourself it's a much lighter form of no humanity where it rips at the seams every now and then.

If the bond still exists despite no humanity and Damon lets Elena have her happy head space for the time being, then how will Elena get her humanity back?
eolivet on February 24th, 2013 04:11 am (UTC)
I really do think no matter some of the inconsistencies that the bond is real and that no character can really tell us how it works because no one really knows. The way everything was framed in this episode, i think shows that the bond exists.

THIS. I have been trying to come up with a way to say exactly this, and you found it. I think the show covered their bases with "it's extremely rare among vampires," so again, there's no real critical mass of sire bond-ees one could document so that one could say with confidence "Elena is not behaving like someone who is sired should."

I also think the existence of the sire bond is CRITICAL for Elena's turned-off humanity. Like Stefan being compelled by Klaus, now she can't be held responsible for anything she does while she's in that state.
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La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 23rd, 2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
I waited a whole snow day for this post! Thanks so much! I agree with everything, and your light on the Matt scene being about his loss of hope just makes that scene all the more worse (in that it broke my heart). Poor Matt. I really hope Damon gives him the Gilbert ring, because who else needs it?

Nina truly is in her element when she's breaking down, and I feel like we've only seen that truly happen three times: when Bonnie "died", when she realized that Damon told her to kill the hunter so she did, and this past episode. When you can deliver lines that don't have actual words because you're so overcome with emotion. I wonder what happened when they said "cut" on that scene. I bet a lot of silence.

And yes, little Gilbert is officially dead-dead-dead. His body was burned. He isn't coming back except in a flashback, dream state or ghostly visit which will be a lot harder now to manufacture

For some reason I expected him to jump up at the end in the middle of the flames. Even weirder, I still expected it on the 2nd watch lol!

I do think we will see Jeremy in ghostly visits. I don't think Grams is enough of a moving factor for Bonnie anymore and Shilas will use Jeremy to continue to brainwash Bonnie into his plot.

One out of four commands obeyed are not very good odds
My theory (spoiler free because I don't read spoilers) is that when Damon and Stefan feel like Elena is ready to turn the switch back on, Damon is going to say, "I want you to turn it back on" because "I want" seems to be the key phrase and Elena isn't going to turn it back on. They'll have to deal with that dilemma and then that's when they'll realize the bond wasn't real.


Last question before I go: If Shane hypnotized Elena and Shane is on the island (I presume dead, as Rebekah left him), does that take away the hypnosis or is this like Office Space?

Your posts are always so good to read. Keep up the fantastic work!
Arabian: Damon & Elena26arabian on February 24th, 2013 05:07 am (UTC)
I know! I felt so guilty that I hadn't written my post yet when I saw your post! I just -- gah! So much going on, I couldn't figure out how to put it into words. I kid you not, my page just sat there blank for over 24 hours with one sentence on it.

your light on the Matt scene being about his loss of hope just makes that scene all the more worse

Which is the only reason I'm glad I waited because I rewatched the episode and caught things I had missed initially. That was one of them.

I wonder what happened when they said "cut" on that scene. I bet a lot of silence.

I so agree. It was just -- jawdropping.

I do think we will see Jeremy in ghostly visits.

Ooh! I didn't think of it from that perspective. You're right. Not only through Matt, but through Shilas to get Bonnie on-board. Oh, so creepy if they do that. Poor, manipulated Bonnie. :(

Last question before I go: If Shane hypnotized Elena and Shane is on the island (I presume dead, as Rebekah left him), does that take away the hypnosis

Now I think the hypnosis was just at the lake house when she had the tea (he, no doubt, served) and once the tea was out of her system, so went the hypnosis. We'll see.

Your posts are always so good to read. Keep up the fantastic work!

Thank you so much. :D
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 23rd, 2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
Let's just get the sire bond stuff out of the way... One out of four commands obeyed are not very good odds and, along with all of the other things pre- and post-sire bond reveal that Damon told her to do/not do that she didn't/did do, the inconsistency is just too there.

I have given up on speculating about the Sire Bond, at this point it’s too much of a clusterfuck. Only thing set in stone is that Damon is 300% certain it is true and it’s destroying him. Beyond that I am not saying anything until we have more data. That said, it looks really, really iffy.

Elena turned the switch off not because Damon told her to, but because she was in so much incredible agony that she wanted to make it stop and Damon reminded her of an option that she, as a vampire, has to do so. So she stopped it.

Yeah, one of the problems with the Sire Bond business is exactly this: just like DressGate, you cannot tell whether Elena did something because of a mystical compulsion or just because Damon made sense. And regardless of what Caroline says, Damon frequently makes a lot of sense, especially to Elena.

One of the highlighted aspects of this episode was siblings...

Really, this show has always had a strong theme of family and this season really went to town with it. Carol’s death making Tyler spiral even more, Kol’s death being no less painful for Klaus and Rebekah no matter the oceans of bad blood between them, Elena completely falling apart at Jeremy’s death. Not to mention Shane and his quest in the name of his wife and son and Bonnie being lured to the Dark Side with the prospect of resuscitating Grams and Jeremy. ‘Family Is Vital’ and ‘You Would Do Awful Things For Family’ seem to be recurring motives.
I smell bad things coming for our favorite family unit: I know I’ve said it before, but the hints keep on coming that things may go south for Damon. This episode reaffirmation of how important the bond between him and Stefan is and the fact that Elena threw the Gilbert Ring to him make me worry about his future…

As much as she loves her brother, as much as she wants him back, as much as the idea that she had lost her last family member ripped her apart, she couldn't do that. She could not do that.

God, that moment when Elena abandons denial and says out loud “Jeremy’s dead”… And the shot moments before of Bonnie, Caroline and matt arguing while she sits stone still, as everything finally hits her…

an absolutely amazing scene where Nina Dobrev blew the roof off.

Nina is a phenomenal actress who doesn’t get enough recognition, being on a teen show on the CW. As I said elsewhere, writing-wise this might not be a devastating as BTVS The Body (which had the horrible punch of featuring a completely non-supernatural, non-violent death), but acting-wise Nina doesn’t have to bow down to no one. She pulled out all the stops and delivered ten times over. All the awards to this lady.
Arabian: NinaDobrev01arabian on February 24th, 2013 05:10 am (UTC)
I have given up on speculating about the Sire Bond, at this point it’s too much of a clusterfuck. Only thing set in stone is that Damon is 300% certain it is true and it’s destroying him. Beyond that I am not saying anything until we have more data. That said, it looks really, really iffy.

Yup. The thing is, for me, I don't hate the sire bond (because Elena and Damon are not acting ANY different in their interaction), but all the inconsistencies will bug the heck out of me if it's real. I expect better from Julie and this show.

you cannot tell whether Elena did something because of a mystical compulsion or just because Damon made sense

Julie said in a post-episode interview that Elena DID want to do it, and Damon doing that just pushed her into doing what she wanted. Uh huh!

And regardless of what Caroline says, Damon frequently makes a lot of sense, especially to Elena.

Yeah, Caroline!!!

Really, this show has always had a strong theme of family

It drives me crazy when people say this show is all about the triangle and romance, and I'm like... WHAT SHOW ARE YOU WATCHING?!?!?!

he hints keep on coming that things may go south for Damon. This episode reaffirmation of how important the bond between him and Stefan is and the fact that Elena threw the Gilbert Ring to him make me worry about his future…

Really? Hmmm... with Jeremy's death, I'm no longer thinking that Damon will "die." Hmm.

God, that moment when Elena abandons denial and says out loud “Jeremy’s dead”… And the shot moments before of Bonnie, Caroline and matt arguing while she sits stone still, as everything finally hits her…

I KNOW!

acting-wise Nina doesn’t have to bow down to no one. She pulled out all the stops and delivered ten times over. All the awards to this lady.

THIS, THIS, THIS!!!
Frust-sheep: sheep: blacktearsfrust_sheep on February 23rd, 2013 04:45 pm (UTC)
Yep, what a episode... I agree on many more things you wrote, but I really have to agree especially to this: "Nina Dobrev was beyond, beyond amazing. So good. SO DAMN GOOD."
Her performance was really incredible amazing! :D
Arabian: NinaDobrev03arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:49 am (UTC)
She was just DAYUM! I was so, so impressed with her. I think she's generally a great actress, but this was WOW!!!
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alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 23rd, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
Elena, on the other hand, was just absolutely heartbreaking. […] And then she did break.

Yes. Elena broke. She held on for such a long time, through unspeakable trauma, hit after hit, death after death, pain after pain.: and she held on, she was strong and survived because there was Jeremy that needed her to do just that. But now he’s gone and with him her motivation to stay whole. Of course she falls to pieces, she falls in thousands of pieces and the Sire Bond may be iffy and the Switch not very healthy coping but you know what? At that point there was no good solution.
Damon tried the normal way, bless him he did try. He tried and got nothing, because as he said to Stefan he was not enough this time, he wasn’t because nobody and nothing could. Elena’s world has ended and the only thing to do was try to have Elena not end with it. Damon – whose world is still intact as proven by Stefan’s continued existence – was not qualified to offer any other kind of assistance, there were no words of consolation that could soothe the unconsolable: nothing but acknowledging that some things are impossible to soothe, nothing but shutting down to see you through the worst.
I dare anyone to say that, had they that option, they would not take it.
Of course, I would have liked it better had Elena switched off all by herself with no compelling or suggestion, but I don’t find Damon going there, if only to stop her from lighting herself on fire, so unforgivable.

I also found the fact that Damon gets that, he gets that as much as Elena loves him (or believes she loves him), he's not her entire world. As much as Damon is a romantic, he doesn't romanticize love, not anymore, while Stefan still does. Regardless of how much he accepts is real and is the sire bond, Stefan is allowing that Elena loves Damon right now, and in his mind, because of how he does romanticize love (and lots of other things), that should be enough. But, of course, it's not and Damon does realize that... which I believe continues to show just how strong the foundation and depth of love between he and Elena is.

This. OMG, that scene. I swear, jokes about the actors’ ages notwithstanding, Stefan was never so much of a teenager as in this scene, not even sliding around hallways with Rebekah. It was also a total Big Brother Moment for Damon, schooling his idealistic baby brother about some harsh truths of life: sometimes Love Is Not All You Need, it’s not nearly enough. Some things are so much devastating that the Power of True Love cannot make them right again and no kiss can break the spell.
Welcome to the real world, where loving someone is not the end. (And don’t I love the show for going there, for escaping the fairytale trappings and eschewing the Love As Universal Panacea cliché)
Really, the Salvatores are so close in age and they have lived so long as to make a few years age difference moot, but in that moment it was startlingly clear just who was the elder and who the younger.
It brought to my mind a discussion that popped up about Damon and Stefan and their different approach to apologizing and making amends: Damon, it was argued, never apologized to anyone for the atrocities he committed – except Elena and he did that because he wanted into her pants. Stefan at least says he’s sorry. I argued back that therein laid the point: Stefan says he’s sorry, certain that that somehow makes things better. Damon doesn’t, because he knows that it doesn’t even come near.
Some things cannot be fixed, either by saying sorry or by love. Stefan wants desperately to believe they could and will do anything to convince himself and others, Damon knows all too well they can’t and doesn’t allow himself any hope to that regard. And there are the brothers’ characters in a nutshell, for me.

the key difference between Katherine and Elena is that everything that Katherine says comes from a place of dishonesty and that everything Elena says comes from a place of truth. Interesting, yes?

Hell, yes! I devoutly hope that what we’re gonna get is Elena Unleashed, finally completely free from her assigned role of Good Girl and Madonna of Compassion. No outside expectations need apply anymore. In that case I foresee a lot of pearl-clutching by Stefan and Caroline.

Arabian: Stefan & Caroline03arabian on February 24th, 2013 05:15 am (UTC)
She held on for such a long time, through unspeakable trauma, hit after hit, death after death, pain after pain.: and she held on, she was strong and survived because there was Jeremy that needed her to do just that.

Yup. There was a LOT of commenting last season about how Elena needed to break down and we kept waiting for it to happen. And when it didn't, I was OK because of how they played everything out with Elena, but THIS is even better because an unfiltered, uncaring Elena will lay it all out. And this break was a very, very, very long time coming.

Damon tried the normal way, bless him he did try. He tried and got nothing, because as he said to Stefan he was not enough this time, he wasn’t because nobody and nothing could.

Absolutely, and it kinda enrages me (OK, that's a bit extreme, LOL!) that people are saying Damon was wrong doing that... what else could he do?!

Of course, I would have liked it better had Elena switched off all by herself with no compelling or suggestion, but I don’t find Damon going there, if only to stop her from lighting herself on fire, so unforgivable.

Agreed.

Stefan was never so much of a teenager as in this scene

Uh huh.

It brought to my mind a discussion that popped up about Damon and Stefan and their different approach to apologizing and making amends: Damon, it was argued, never apologized to anyone for the atrocities he committed – except Elena and he did that because he wanted into her pants. Stefan at least says he’s sorry. I argued back that therein laid the point: Stefan says he’s sorry, certain that that somehow makes things better. Damon doesn’t, because he knows that it doesn’t even come near. Some things cannot be fixed, either by saying sorry or by love. Stefan wants desperately to believe they could and will do anything to convince himself and others, Damon knows all too well they can’t and doesn’t allow himself any hope to that regard. And there are the brothers’ characters in a nutshell, for me.

This, this, this. I just have nothing more to add. SO MUCH THIS!

Hell, yes! I devoutly hope that what we’re gonna get is Elena Unleashed, finally completely free from her assigned role of Good Girl and Madonna of Compassion. No outside expectations need apply anymore. In that case I foresee a lot of pearl-clutching by Stefan and Caroline.

YES!
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 23rd, 2013 04:52 pm (UTC)
GUT. PUNCH.

That’s the basic gist of this episode: gut punch, gut punch, uber-gut punch, knock-out gut punch, gut punch.

Damon's going all bloody-eyed and vein-y when he heard an unexpected noise... whoo boy! Come on, ya'll, it was hot!

No argument here. Also, when he caught the match.

Caroline's reaction fell into her need to do things, call people, make lists, make a casserole.

OMG, Caroline turned to 11000. Part manic chipmunk, part concerned friend, part baby vamp on the edge, part proper Southern lady. Mix and shake for a strong experience.

"And then I got boned by my vixen-nemesis, Miss Katherine Pierce." BWAHAHAHAHAAH!

As great as vixen-nemesis was, I loved even more “If there’s one thing that’s a guarantee in this miserable little world is that Katherine Pierce is gone.” Because if there's a single, unquestionable truth in this show it is that.

Rebekah's horrible recitation of what they would do to Vaughn, and Damon's reaction ("you are creepy") followed by her cheerful, appreciative "thank you." Double BWAHAHAHAHAAH!

This says bad things about me, but the moment he went “Hunter Curse! You cannot kill me!” I instantly went “Well, ok. You are vampires with healing blood, just torture and heal him until he talks. Hell, find Bonnie, make him turn using a bit of her blood and then you can do whatever to him.” I liked Rebekah taking part of my advice.
In general, I loved Rebekah and Damon’s interactions, including Damon using her as a shield. Original-ness may as well be useful.

Damon and Bonnie hugging! AWWW!! […] Damon saying Caroline's name so seriously as he told her to get his brother.

Damon really was all over the place, interactions-wise. I think hugging Bonnie was part relief at not having to present himself to Elena with empty hands, but it was nice all the same. And I liked that Caroline didn’t argue but just went and got Stefan: no matter how much you may hate him, when Damon gets serious you move your ass and do what he says.


Arabian: Bonnie02arabian on February 24th, 2013 05:17 am (UTC)
That’s the basic gist of this episode: gut punch, gut punch, uber-gut punch, knock-out gut punch, gut punch.

It so, so, soooooooooooo was.

In general, I loved Rebekah and Damon’s interactions, including Damon using her as a shield. Original-ness may as well be useful.

Agreed; as long as they never going anywhere sexual with them again (damnit), I love how their relationship is now. They get each other, and that works for me.

I think hugging Bonnie was part relief at not having to present himself to Elena with empty hands, but it was nice all the same.

I agree. It was an outlet for emotions in a lot of ways.
alkja: pic#93120746alkja on February 23rd, 2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
The intercutting of the conversations between Damon and Stefan, Bonnie, Caroline, Matt and Elena, and flashback!Bonnie and Shilas was BRILLIANTLY done. Perfect editing and sound mixing. […] The rising crescendo of music ending once Elena turned her switch off as the camera pulled away from her expressionless face to Stefan and Caroline watching the kneeling Damon and Elena. And the camera just held on that even as the music was gone leaving only silence.

Really, it was just superb. The music especially was everything that was needed. That sudden silence after the unrelenting crescendo was a gut punch all on its own.

"There's no room in the Gilbert family plot. Jenna and John took the last spots." It just guts me every damn time.

Oh God, that sentence. She doesn’t have a place to bury her baby brother, the family plot is all filled up, she has already buried everyone else, most of them in the last year. No vacancies, but a new body nonetheless and this one she never should have buried because big sisters shouldn’t bury baby brothers. BRB, sobbing forevermore. Plec, you evil genius.

Stefan: I just, uhm... I want you to know that, uhm...
Damon: I know, Stefan.


We can safely say that when you can make the Winchesters look like well-adjusted people, you have discovered new heights of family dysfunction. Still, for Salvatore standards that was positively gushy. And again, this is why this triangle works for me: after a very rough patch and in the midst of being worried sick for Elena they had this "Oh god, what it were us? I don't wanna/ I cannot lose my brother!" moment. I live in fear of Plec making one of them choose between Elena and his brother.

The trio walking out of the burning house. An iconic moment if ever there was one. And such an awesome character moment -- Damon and Elena keep on walking, looking straight ahead. Stefan pauses and looks back.

Those people perfectly encapsulated. When I saw Stefan stopping to watch the house I thought “He so would” and when I saw that Elena and Damon had unflinchingly walked away I thought about Elena in 3x09 and “then we’ll let him go” and “we always survive”. I have no doubt that even with the Switch on, even still human Elena would have acted just the same. She and Damon just work the same way.

The converses burning. The diary burning. The collection of Elena's past, her insecurities, her fears, her suffering... and it burned. Whoah.

All the same, and recognizing it would have diminished the impact of the moment, I went to a prosaic place and wondered why Elena couldn’t pack a bag or two before setting off the cleansing fire. No matter what, you will always need clothes.

Katherine tracked down a Hunter -- whose mission in life is to kill vampires -- and he's pretty much working for her. Because Katherine is *that* awesome. And to add to that, Katherine has Hayley, a werewolf -- who are the sworn enemies of vampires -- working for her. Because Katherine is *THAT* awesome.

That woman is unreal. Is there anything she cannot accomplish? Klaus really fucked it up with her, because with Katherine by his side he’d have conquered the world ages ago.
La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 23rd, 2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
All the same, and recognizing it would have diminished the impact of the moment, I went to a prosaic place and wondered why Elena couldn’t pack a bag or two before setting off the cleansing fire. No matter what, you will always need clothes.

I thought the same thing, but then figured she's a vampire and can just compel people to give her clothes. I assumed that's how she kept from having to pay mortgage.
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bangel_4e: buffy-giftbangel_4e on February 23rd, 2013 06:20 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode but I seriously need to re-watch it.

One thing is...I don't agree about the option of turning everything off. I never liked the "let's not deal with pain" thing...as Elena did for Jeremy in season 1. It's too easy, there's always an option not to feel grief. Grief and immense pain need to be felt..but this is a VERY personal opinion.

And since I've seen the episode, I wanted to ask you..-what do you think Stefan meant when he told Damon to help Elena?? I thought they were all agreeing to turn off the emotions. But I was caught by surprise when Stefan "tried" (he blurted out a few words and never physically stopped Damon)..and then Damon did what he did. I found it horrible, simply cause I think Julie Plec NEVER wants to put Stefan in that position. It's Damon who made this decision, according to everyone, and it's Damon's fault Elena is gonna act like we've seen in the promo. Once again it falls on Damon....according to people, he did something controlling and abusive.
And while I don't agree I am pissed off that they always find a way to "ruin" Damon and "ruin" Damon and Elena as a couple. Now, ruin might be a strong word but I'm lacking for a better one at the moment so bear with me.

I feel very disturbed watching the show sometimes. I would have preferred for Elena to turn off the switch by herself which COULD be true if the sire bond proves unreal.
But you know, I don't like how Stefan objected in that pivotal moment...it didn't feel right and it felt to me like it was only to preserve Stefan's pure moral. Ugh.
And that puts Damon on the altar. Seriously, this makes me really mad.
Also, Damon says in the promo (answering to a worried Stefan) "Then we'll show her a good time". I found it so idiotic and a little too forced.
One thing is Damon's snarkiness that sometimes he uses to cover up worry but I fear it won't be fitting this time. Elena's brother just died. Would he really say that? Ok, it's Damon but if the scene doesn't evolve into something more, I just...I don't get it...

Then I started to think, regarding the switch thing...what did Stefan want? Just to reassure her and make her feel like everything is gonna be fine?
Why couldn't Damon do that? I thought about it and realized that the sire bond doesn't work on feelings so maybe this was the only way (according to the bond power) to make her feel better?

Honestly, this episode was really good...Zach killed my heart, he was absolutely my favorite, he did such a splendid job. And so did Nina.
One thing that you mentioned that I truly loved was the smell scene between Car and Stefan...my heart just sank.
And Jeremy's gone.
I can't really believe he is truly dead. I mean, I still have to realize it. Oh, poor Jer. It's incredibly sad.


Sorry about my rant...I just felt a little off after the episode. I didn't like how they were showing Damon/Elena after 4x07 then I was reassured again and now I
don't like it again. I feels like the writers have sacrificed them for the sake of the plot...now, this just might be a stupid thing to say but once again, I can't words to express myself properly. For everyone, Damon's always gonna be the one who doesn't care about what's right for Elena, the one who is selfish and does only what it's convenient for him. And while people like you and me may get what's really going on, they don't make it so clear that even the ones who can't stand Damon (or Delena) have to recognize it. And that really kills me.

PS.I was wondering if I could link this post to a user here on lj. We were talking about this episode and she felt a little down like I am so I told her you usually shed positive light and make me hope again so I was wondering if it was ok for you if I gave her this link :)

Edited at 2013-02-23 06:21 pm (UTC)
La vida de llorona: pic#119948454laudanumdream on February 23rd, 2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
I could be wrong here, but I didn't feel at all like Damon was being controlling or abusive. He said, "Let me help you." and she kept saying, "How?" This was the only way how. I guess it all boils down to whether it was the sire bond or if it was Damon presenting a logical option to Elena and her taking it.

I think from when Stefan had tried to protest that he was actually just expecting Damon to say, "I want you to not hurt anymore," or something like that. Stefan's been all about "her humanity is who she is" so he wasn't expecting Damon to request for her to flip the switch.

I also think the, "We'll show her a good time" is just Damon trying to get through this with a little humor. I don't think he actually means it. He kind of had a pained expression on his face.

I don't know. That's just what I gathered. I like your opinions, though :D
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(Anonymous) on February 24th, 2013 12:06 am (UTC)
Love your recap especially the sire bond detail. Absolutely love Shilas! Thank you.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 24th, 2013 04:48 am (UTC)
Thank you. :)