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30 November 2012 @ 04:56 am
4.07 - 'My Brother's Keeper' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Our first (mini) hiatus is over and The Vampire Diaries has once more returned to our lives. Yay! Thanks to all for the link info, I watched it live streaming at 8:00 as opposed to the evil 11:30 I would have been forced to by my horrible, horrible CW affiliate. So thank you all. With that said... on with the episode. :)

I loved this episode. Like loved, loved, loved it like I love "Miss Mystic Falls." I love every single thing it chose to be. LOVE. LOVE. LOVE. No conflicts, no reservations, just LOVE. Lots and lots and lots of LOVE. Everything was perfection.

Like love, guys. Whoah!

First off, let's start with my single favorite moment from the entire episode --


Spoiler: This is where we will end too. :)

Ahem, moving on. Alright, let's get the whole sire-bond thing out of the way. I'm sure that many a person is not happy about this. It ruins Damon/Elena, it takes away their first time, it sucks, blah, blah, blah. No to all of the above emphatically. Why? Several reasons --

To begin with, there were only two differences between the Elena we saw here and the Elena we saw in "Heart of Darkness." The first is that she can do the zoomy-vampire thing. The second is that this time she was not interrupted by her baby brother. :) That's it. The passion, the longing, the intensity, the emotion, the love -- yes, the love! -- that we saw on display here was exactly what we saw when she threw herself into Damon's arms... WHEN SHE WAS A HUMAN. I say often that one should never, ever listen to Julie Plec's interviews. I still maintain that. However, you can listen to some of her less-regulated, unplanned comments because those things that are on the vague side make a helluva lot of sense in retrospect every now and then. For example, before "The Departed," she was asked on twitter if what happened with Damon and Elena in "Heart of Darkness" mattered. She responded that it mattered plenty. My interpretation? It mattered plenty because of what happened in this episode. You can't look at that Elena then and this Elena now and not see the exact same kind of passion and want for Damon... EXACTLY THE SAME. Therefore, no, she's not having sex with him because she's sire bonded to him.

Do I think that a sire bond is in play here?* Yeah, probably, but not even remotely to the degree that Stefan is (desperately) hoping for and what Caroline is convinced of... because, well, they were wrong. They just grabbed things that they *thought* were facts (some so were not) that fit their theory. Damon told Elena that she could drink from him and that would work. It didn't because a few hours later Elena threw up his blood. And as far as we know, Stefan didn't know that. She called Damon, not Stefan. Damon didn't tell Elena she couldn't drink animal blood or blood bags -- in fact, he BROUGHT HER BLOOD BAGS -- he came up with a theory for why she couldn't hold down the animal blood, his blood or the blood bags. It wasn't a suggestion or an order. Which is what the sire bond entails.

* ETA: I'm at the point now where I think the sire bond is there and real but it's there and real ONLY because Damon and Elena love each other. When Julie said that they kept the hybrid stuff front and center for people to reference, I realized it wasn't so that people could remember it, but that so people could realize 'wait a minute! there are way too many differences here! it can't be what Stefan and Caroline are saying it is!' And, of course, Klaus would lead them to think otherwise because he knows that Damon doesn't care if Elena is human or vampire, but Stefan does.

Plus, I think it's interesting that the only mutual-love-siring we know of (Finn/Sage and Lexi/Lee) were incredibly strong and lasting. I mean Sage stayed true to her love for Finn even being without him for NINE HUNDRED YEARS! So I'm thinking that the sirebond is rare among vampires because it's really only when it's true love on both parts. Because, really, how many people would GENUINELY agree to DIE and LIVE FOREVER with someone else willingly? Only someone who truly loved. But to create the sire bond it probably has to be mutual. (Thus, no to Damon and Katherine, LOL!)

Also, nice, big, shining neon clue? Think of the last episode. The last thing that Damon told Elena was essentially that she and Stefan would work things out because Stefan was doing this for her. Next scene? Elena broke up with Stefan. (a) If Damon's suggestions influence Elena so deeply that she's dumping Stefan and riding on the Damon train because of this sire bond, why did Elena not patch things up with Stefan? (b) If Damon is aware of the sire bond -- which I highly, highly doubt -- then why wouldn't he have been, oh, pushing her to break up with Stefan and give him a shot? Uh huh. As far as Damon knows -- because DAMON SAID SO -- sire bonds among vampires is very, very rare. Therefore, no, he does not know. And, no, bonded or not, it doesn't have the very strong powerful pull that Caroline and Stefan are thinking it does.

Here's another one: In "The Five," Damon flat-out told Elena to compel the pretty blonde so that Elena could feed on her just like they practiced. Elena saw the picture of said pretty blonde's niece and didn't do what Damon told her to do. Think back to Tyler and Klaus. Klaus pretty much told Tyler to set up Jeremy -- someone Tyler considered a friend -- to die. Tyler couldn't ignore that suggestion even before he realized how the sire bond worked. Elena had no problem not doing what Damon told her to do for a complete stranger that she wouldn't even be hurting. Also, in this episode, Elena was the one who told Damon she wanted to dance with him, he didn't say it, he didn't even suggest it. That was all on her. And Damon has said and done nothing differently than he did when she was a human to pull Elena towards him. Girl's just got it bad for him and has since before she turned. Could the show have forgotten some of these details? Yeah, and bad on them if so, or maybe it's just not as complete as Stefan and Caroline are saying. Or even if they did forget some points, it still in no way takes away what Elena feels for Damon. Period. No way, no how.

Some like to claim that this show plays fast and loose with their supernatural rules. They don't. I help moderate a Vampire Diaries community and we do these Chronicles that include jotting down all supernatural rules for this universe. Not once have they contradicted a previously stated rule. Not once. They've added on, they've tweaked, but not changed it, not played fast and loose. So, back to my original point, do I think that a sire bond is coming into play? Yes, I certainly think it's possible, however, I just don't believe that it's done anything more than intensify the feelings that Elena already has for Damon. Period. She already wanted him. See "Heart of Darkness." She already was soothed and comforted by his words (re: Caroline's contention that Damon saying don't worry about Jeremy and Elena stopped worrying as proof) on multiple occasions. Did she like the red dress the same as he did? Yeah. Was she also flustered and this close to saying 'take me, Damon, take me now! Whatever you say!' Uh, yeah.

So, no, she's not with him because she's been sire bonded into it. She did not have sex with him because she's sire bonded. (After all, I don't recall Tyler going down on Klaus just because he was sire bonded to him.) This whole twist was brought up, I think, for Stefan and Elena fans ... and for Damon/Elena fans. Yeah, you read that right. I know, crazy!

Elena is NOT ready to be with Damon. She's not. Not only is she not ready, she shouldn't be with him yet. She needs to figure her shit out. She needs some me time. Some single time. Some non-Salvatore-boy time. She really does. To go straight from Stefan to Damon would be terrible for her and for Damon and for Stefan. Just no, no, no, no. But, but, but, but... we Damon/Elena fans have been waiting for over three years to get something. Come on! This does that trick. We get some pretty damn good Damon/Elena. We get some hot stuff. We get Damon/Elena sex. We get Damon being Elena's first vampire sexual partner. We get stuff like Elena following Damon down the stairs and being all googly-eyed at him. And telling him that the reason she broke up with Stefan was because of him -- "You." We get Damon's floored, flustered, tell me more, tell me more reaction. (And we get Professor Shane joining the cock-block-Damon-Salvatore club.)

We get moments and awesome stuffs with them that we wouldn't in-character believably otherwise get. Because she's not ready. Had they jumped into this without the siring giving her passion and love for him a boost, it would be longer before she'd take this step. So the sire-connection got us some good stuff. And hopefully -- because this is really what I hope -- beyond an episode or two, we get single-Elena. Damon steps back because he wants it to be real with them, 100% real and even if it's just magnified by the sire bond, he wants her to want him without an excuse. That's what I want too. And then move Damon and Elena into a real relationship towards the end of the season, early next season. :)

As for Stefan and Elena, if Elena and Damon just skipped off into happy-couple land with no twists, where does that leave the Stefan/Elena fans? I know, I know it sucks as a Damon/Elena fan because we want it to be our turn. But this is a product and all buyers have to be accounted for. Throughout the first couple of seasons there were a lot of Stefan/Elena fans who were not happy with Damon's continual presence in the Stefan/Elena story. And the Damon/Elena fan response was 'well, what do you expect? The show is built on a triangle. A TRIANGLE. You need three people.' Same thing applies. Stefan can't just be cut out, not now, not this far from the end. So this sire bond angle gives him and the fanbase hope... while the show continues to build this connection and foundation of awesomeness between Damon and Elena. That now is a way lot more physical. :waggles eyebrows suggestively:

Win-win is how I see it. As a Damon/Elena fan would I have preferred that we at least got the Stefan/Caroline scene and then the full non-intercut Damon/Elena scene? Sure. But as a Vampire Diaries fan, I loved it. It was perfectly done, perfect juxtaposition and just kicked ass. Building up with what Caroline is saying to what Elena is doing and leaving the viewers either screaming with joy, anguish or both! (I was all about the joy personally.) And it ended on this --


Which I really, really, really loved. So hot, yet so sweet... so sensual, yet so sexual all at the same time. Ah, sheer perfection.

But more on that later. So yes, the sire bond is likely in play, but it doesn't even remotely mean that what Damon and Elena share isn't real. It doesn't take away from which that is real either, Stefan and Caroline just desperately hope that is the case. They are wrong. Or rather, not so much wrong so much as... not quite as we (or Stefan and Caroline) know it at this point. After all a vampire-vampire sire bond developed through love has got to be different from a hybrid-hybrid sire bond developed through the wolfy-factor. I think the connection that Elena feels with Damon is driven by her already-there feelings for him and that the bond was formed mostly because of that, and because of it, yes, his suggestions do hold sway but not at all like Stefan and Caroline think. Because, again, there were a lot little things that Damon didn't suggest or that he did that didn't come to pass.

Now I know that there are many none too pleased with Caroline right now. I'm totally fine with her because she might as well have been holding anvils in her scenes with Elena. Seriously. She was going on and on about how terrible and awful Damon is, and how revolting the idea was that Elena wanted to be with him... TO KLAUS. While she is laughing and smiling and having moments and drinking champagne with KLAUS. Who killed Jenna. Who kills lots and lots and lots of people. Who is a bad guy.

Which he said to her. (That legit cracked me up.) In the middle of Caroline's all ranting about Damon, Klaus actually pointed out he's the bad guy. For reals. Yes, he has a sweeter, softer side to him... which Caroline sees. Just as Elena sees with Damon. There is no way that that was not deliberate, Caroline is being the biggest hypocrite right now, but lordy, away from Tyler, she was more fun and enjoyable to me than she's been in forever. Ugh. See, I get why she hates Damon. I'm fine with her hating Damon. I'm fine with her rah-rah-rahing Stefan. Because she doesn't know what's going on. She has her history with Damon. Elena doesn't really tell her what's happening (bad) with Stefan and (good) with Damon. Stefan tells Caroline his white-washed versions of events. So that is Caroline's very skewed point of view. Bad Damon. No real information from Elena. White-washing from Stefan. I get it.

Ahhhh! This episode was about SO MUCH SHOW as opposed to TELL, it was glorious. While we have Caroline go on about how bad Damon is and how awesome Stefan is, that's juxtaposed with the Jeremy situation. They need a hunter to find the cure so Stefan selfishly goes behind all their backs again, kills and turns (admittedly) a murderer and then goads and all but forces Jeremy to kill said turned vampire thus messing up the poor kid even more. Damon's solution? Go to the go-to-know-how guy to get the name of one of the four OTHER hunters so that Jeremy doesn't get more affected than he already has. So we hear 'Damon bad, Stefan good.' We see Stefan bad, Damon good.

We hear 'Elena has changed, Elena needs to be fixed, Elena's not the same' (except for my beloved Matty, but more on him later). We see the same Elena we've seen for the past three plus years. We see the same girl who loves her brother, who can laugh with her friends, who has compassion for those around her, who has a good heart, a determined will. We see Elena Gilbert. And she is awesome. She just happens to be owning up to her feelings for Damon. That's the difference. And that's why Caroline can't recognize her because she can't understand an Elena who could have true, genuine feelings for Damon because all Caroline sees is mostly a Damon who's snarky, sarcastic, jerky and appears to not give a damn about anyone, and who treated her terribly. And that's why Stefan thinks she needs to be fixed because the Elena he knew, the Elena he loved could control whatever feelings she had for Damon. She always chose him over Damon. He didn't see the Elena who was with Damon when he was gone. He only saw the distance there between Damon and Elena upon his return.

And he has convinced himself that he is right because after all Elena chose him, didn't she? But really, I still don't think she did. I still think that Elena was going to choose Damon. Her words to Matt about being with Stefan because she should be with him because he makes her feel safe and isn't that what love should be versus Damon consumes me made that pretty clear. Her reaction to his kiss versus her reaction to Damon's kiss made that pretty clear. However, fate had other plans. She didn't choose Stefan to be with, she chose to say goodbye to Stefan because of the crazy circumstances when that was going to be it. Once they lived and she turned, she very well couldn't go back on her 'choice,' besides she needed that safety more than ever. So she was with Stefan, but what she saw was that they no longer work. But it's simply easier to blame the vampire-turn, and that works for Stefan too because he doesn't really know what Elena feels for Damon, and how deeply. He has no clue that the depth of her feelings that he's seen recently were there before she was turned. So he blames the vampirism, he needs to blame that.

But there comes that unspoken bit from last week. If Elena's feelings for Damon magnified as a vampire, why didn't her feelings for him magnify as well? He didn't want to deal with that part of that process, but now he can ... now he has an explanation. Aha! She's sire-bonded to Damon! AHA! So Stefan gets hope and the Stefan/Elena fanbase retains hope as well. Which I totally get.

And this brings me to what I realized over the summer about this show. It's not an episode arc, or a multiple-episode arc or a seasonal arc. It is a series-arc. And as each episode plays out, everything that happened in season 03 (including Stefan's ripper arc) is making more and more sense. Stefan needs to hit rock bottom in order to start to see the best in himself -- not the projection of what he should be, but who he truly is. We didn't get that last season, but we needed what happened last season to happen to get him to where he is now... which is what eventually (I think) will lead him to where he needs to go.

Last season basically showed the viewers just how bad Stefan could be in real time, but he -- and everyone else -- justified his actions by blaming them on Klaus. Never mind what he did to Andie, or choosing to keep his switch off and setting Jeremy up for potential death, kidnapping/threatening Elena. And that was the point. It was done in the mix of the Klaus-stuff so it could kinda be fanwanked away. But we as viewers *saw* Stefan do those things... of his own volition, but it wasn't pointed out. I think now it was because that was a hint of what was coming.

Now we have "good" Stefan... and he's not doing good things. We are seeing Saint Stefan do bad, bad things. And that's important for Stefan. Because Stefan is never going to change, is never going to accept who and what he really is until he accepts that the Ripper is a part of who he is. He needs to take the blame for his actions on his own shoulders; he needs to accept that he does these things, that he has this in him... just as Stefan. He's not there, but we're beginning to see the cracks. And I love it... even as I wanted Stefan to die in a fire (even though, you know I love you, boo!) for doing what he did to Jeremy. My poor bb, Jeremy!

I feel for him so hard, and I'm so, so glad that he has Matt. Matt who is the epitome of awesome. Who has become the human-version of Damon in that he is the voice of reason, he is the hero. He is the awesome. Dear lord, how did Matt Donovan become such an incredibly, OMG!I love him so much!?? character? I do not know, but he did and he is and I HEART HIM SO HARD! And, yeah, Matt? Totally a voice of reason alongside Damon. While everyone else (but Damon, of course!) is saying that Elena is different, Elena needs to be fixed, blah, blah, blah, Matt is saying she is still Elena. She is still your sister. She is *still* Elena. Yup, Matty, she sure is. And you know it, boo!

And, aww, Matt and April! (What is it with this show and multi-shipping and me? I seriously NEVER do that, but on this show, aside from Damon/Elena, I multi-ship like nobody's business -- Caroline/Stefan, Caroline/Klaus, Stefan/Rebekah, Stefan/Katherine, Rebekah/Matt, Matt/April! SERIOUSLY!) I loved that he stepped in her for her just as Damon did for Elena -- proving that, yes, one day Matt will be Damon's new BFF. Uh huh! Yeah, I like April (even though she totes won due to pity votes) and she appreciates (a) the hotness of Damon, and (b) the awesome of Matt. She has a crush on him which is adorable, and I'm cool with them playing with these two... until Rebekah comes back. And invariably turns on the one person she tried to genuinely befriend. Oh, Rebekah. Klaus, everyone knows now, pretty, pretty please undagger your sister. Please. :)

Speaking of Klaus, so he and Caroline. Look, I know I talked above about how Klaus is the bad guy and Caroline is totally a hypocrite for being all fine and dandy with him (because she may say a few words to the opposite of that, but they are so just words), while being terrible about Damon, but... damn, they got some sparkly chemistry there going. Every second with them just completely shows how sorely lacking in romantic chemistry that Candice Accola and Michael Trevino are. So, yeah, I loved the Klaus/Caroline scenes. I love that even though Klaus is TEH EVUL, he still does have the mushy side that Caroline totally brings out. And I still heartily believe that eventually someone is going to point out the obvious Damon/Elena, Klaus/Caroline parallels and girl is going to be gobsmacked and owe Elena some major apologies.

Phew, OK, some randoms --

- So, yeah, Stefan actually told Elena she needs to be fixed... because she's not that into him anymore. Cuz, yeah, that was before his sire bonding (pfft!) epiphany. Oh, Stefan. Stefan, Stefan, Stefan... what am I going to do with you, my darling boy?

- I know, continue to squee and ship you so hard with Caroline. Even when you guys are being delusional together, I still adore you which says a lot about how much I love these two. And I totally dug that the episode opened and closed with them to a degree. I do think Klaus and Caroline are intriguing and have chemistry, and are loads better than Caroline and Tyler, but Caroline and Stefan? So my secondary OTP on this show SO HARD.

- Gabby Douglas! I was so happy to see her used exactly as I hoped. Just there, not taking away anything from the scene/episode. Good. :)

- I love the Hayley/Professor Shane twist, but damn, does Phoebe Tonkin have to episode in and out prove to me that she really is a sucky actress? *sigh* She was the only negative in an otherwise flawless episode, but she's not terrible. She's just not that good. I can live with just not that good.

- On the other hand, man, I am LOVING me some of David Alpay's Professor Atticus Shane. Great actor, good-looking, great chemistry with Ian Somerhalder. Intriguing character played by layered actor. LOVE! Best casting they've done since Claire Holt as Rebekah, methinks! :)

- I liked them going back to the Bennett witchy line.

- I have no words for how much I ADORED Elena telling Stefan that if the price of her gaining her humanity back is Jeremy losing his it's too high. SO AWESOME. I bow down to you, Elena, my glorious queen!

- A few Damon/Elena yummies ... I love how when Elena indicates a preference for dancing Damon just holds out his hand... unlike Stefan who practically makes her beg every damn time.

- Also, the blue dress. SO MANY FEELS ABOUT THAT. First of all, I love the look on Elena's face when Damon points out that she wore blue. The fact that he remembered it clearly gave her a little buzz which helped infuse the 'take me, Damon, take me now! Whatever you say!' feelings she was feeling. Secondly, the blue dress is the "safe" choice. BWAHAHAHA! Could it have been any more obvious that the red dress was Damon and the blue dress was Stefan? And then Caroline labeled the blue dress as safe. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Loves. :D

- Two songs played over significant Damon/Elena scenes. The first was the song (Laura Veirs – "Little Deschutes") that played during the Miss Mystic Falls dance which featured those loaded looks between Damon and Elena. The lyrics:
    It sure is hard to dance across
    The room when you've got
    One foot on the floor
    And one foot outside the door

    I want nothing more
    Than to dance with you

    The peace I've known, floating along
    The deep green river with you and a song
    Is something like the peace I hope
    To make with you my whole life long

    I want nothing more
    Than to float with you

    Paddling through the hail storm
    Clothes ravaged, the leaves all torn
    A part of me was born

    Why care about yesterday's haze
    When the stars above are all ablaze
    Why care about the coming dawn
    When the moon pours now searchlight strong

    I want nothing more
    Than to dance with you
    I want nothing more
    Than to float with you
With the key line being heard "I want nothing more than to dance with you." Uh huh. The second (Ed Sheeran’s "Kiss Me") was of course during the love scene. Now, it played over the Stefan and Caroline scenes as well, but the sound was muted in their scenes. The lyrics:
    Settle down with me
    Cover me up
    Cuddle me in

    Lie down with me
    And hold me in your arms

    And your heart's against my chest, your lips pressed in my neck
    I'm falling for your eyes, but they don't know me yet
    And with a feeling I'll forget, I'm in love now

    Kiss me like you wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    This feels like falling in love
    Falling in love
    We're falling in love

    Settle down with me
    And I'll be your safety
    You'll be my lady

    I was made to keep your body warm
    But I'm cold as the wind blows so hold me in your arms

    Oh no
    My heart's against your chest, your lips pressed in my neck
    I'm falling for your eyes, but they don't know me yet
    And with this feeling I'll forget, I'm in love now

    Kiss me like you wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    This feels like falling in love
    Falling in love
    We're falling in love

    Yeah I've been feeling everything
    From hate to love
    From love to lust
    From lust to truth
    I guess that's how I know you
    So I hold you close to help you give it up

    So kiss me like you wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    This feels like falling in love
    Falling in love
    We're falling in love

    Kiss me like you wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    You wanna be loved
    This feels like falling in love
    Falling in love
    We're falling in love
Yeah, so the first song is about giving up the fight and accepting that you want to love the one you love. The second is about two people who are friends who finally decide to admit they love one another and take that plunge (per the songwriter, Sheeran, himself). So yeah. There’s that. :D

- OK, some sex scene-age discussion. That was hot. Even interjected with Caroline and Stefan's little theory, it was hot, hot, hot... and sweet, sweet, sweet. In terms of the actual sex scene, I got exactly what I wanted which was some of the sexual heat and spice of the Damon/Katherine make-out (ala "The Return") and some of the sweet loving of the (oh so tame) Stefan/Elena scene. They were both there along with a solid heaping of burning hot chemistry. Again, hot, hot, hot, sweet, sweet, sweet... awesome.

And huzzah! I called it. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! I knew that big ole bed of Damon's was waiting for Damon/Elena sexytiems. Damon has gotten down with four different women since that bed was first introduced and while we saw Rebekah sleeping in it (and Rose lying while dying in it), we never saw Damon getting freaky with any of them in the bed. Nope the sex was on the couch, against the wall, in the shower, but not in that bed. Nope, it was being saved for sexytiems with Elena. HUZZAH! And behold! Sexytiems with Elena! Whee! Here are some Damon/Elena gifs! Enjoy! To start it off outside of the bed but with a lovely spin into a kiss... then things got a bit more heated, hehehehe.

                             

Oh, didja notice in that second to last one? See that look of pure joy on Elena's face in the middle of uber-hot sexytiems!? Uh huh! Once more for the road... whee!

- I know that some are upset and think that this ruins the first time Damon and Elena have sex. I don't think this is the case at all. I keep thinking of how Damon kissing Elena, but wait! it's actually Katherine supposedly ruined their first real kiss. And it didn't. Nor did the first actual kiss being on his death-bed, a kiss that was more of a gift given due to his impending death as opposed to mutual desire to kiss, take away from when Damon kissed her on the porch just because he wanted to and he knew that she wanted it too. Just as that soft, reserved kiss took nothing away from their first, passionate kiss freely, undeniably given from Elena to Damon without inhibition in Denver.

Every kiss they have shared has been a series of firsts because they haven't yet settled down into a relationship where they kiss just because they can. Right now, still, every kiss is different and awesome in its own right. The same will be the same for when they first make love without the supposed sire bond hanging over their heads. It will just be another first with a different charge of significance.

And on that note, I want to end this not only where I began, but where Damon and Elena began and ended in each other's arms. I adored the opportunity to see Elena and Damon as we did here, sharing a slow dance with that look of contentment on Elena's face that was just beautiful. And lastly the final shot of the episode, the two of them once more in a much more intimate embrace sharing that sexy, sensual kiss. *sigh*

     
 
 
 
x5vale: bloodsharingx5vale on November 30th, 2012 10:41 am (UTC)
this this this!

I only disagree on Caroline because honestly she has had many occasions to change her mind about Damon. She doesn't need Elena to tell her what is going on, because by now Caroline should know everything Damon has done for MF. She should remember what he did for her mother, how many times he has saved her and people she loves...but no Caroline doesn't see it. She just sees the bad guy he was in season 1 and nothing more. I'm just tired of this attitude.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on November 30th, 2012 10:44 am (UTC)
But it looks like you, me, and a small handful of others are the only ones who feel this way about the episode. I LOVED IT!

Yes, true about Caroline but she is sooooooooo blind-spot girl. I think (hope) she'll wake up and smell the coffee before season's end. I hope so.



Edited at 2012-11-30 10:45 am (UTC)
Bogwitch: Meg and Mog - Mog [new]bogwitch on November 30th, 2012 10:50 am (UTC)
I have no idea what to think about this episode, so much of it depends on how this sire bond stuff shakes out. I think it's going to be okay. I agree it's too soon for DE and I was waiting to see what wedge would be put between them anyway - I just wasn't expecting it so soon (even though I had a pretty good idea the sire bond was coming up - your draconian anti-spoiler is making it very difficult for me to comment at all as all have is spoliery speculation)!

The dress metaphor was heavy-headed, but funny. I wonder how Elena's choice of red for Rebebah's dress fits into that.

David Alpay has left me totally cold from the start, I'm not seeing what everyone is fawning over at all.

The sex was very hot, especally that gif you've been highlighting. I notice the difference from Denver in now she is actively touching him all over, rather than just fluttering her arms around his shoulders. :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena23arabian on November 30th, 2012 10:53 am (UTC)
Well, you'll be happy to know that I'm reading episode synopses and looking at stills again. :)

I did read Julie's interview about this episode and was quite pleased with it, it confirmed mostly what I believe. Yes, it seems that they potentially forgot key details that don't jibe with the sire bond theory, but I think even if it doesn't completely jibe, it still does work. But how it works is based a lot on how Elena feels for Damon.

The dress metaphor was heavy-headed, but funny.

What made it so funny is that Caroline was SO clueless about it.

I wasn't all that rah-rah-rah for David Alpay until this episode. This one just did it for me big-time.

Yes; RE: the hot sex and how much more unreserved she was here as opposed to Denver, but that was at the start of the make-out, once she got into it in Denver, she had her arms wrapped all up in him.
(no subject) - bogwitch on November 30th, 2012 11:15 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on November 30th, 2012 12:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
ancholia: unch solveigancholia on November 30th, 2012 11:09 am (UTC)
Do I think that a sire bond is in play here? Yeah, probably, but not even remotely to the degree that Stefan is (desperately) hoping for and what Caroline is convinced of... because, well, they were wrong.
One quick thought: I think too the sire bond theory is wrong because remember when Elena attacked Damon, twice, because he wanted to kill Matt or that when Jeremy was in danger? A sired vampire couldn't do that so, no, for me there is no sire bond.
Take that Caroline and Stefan! :D

I'll come back later and comment more but I have to go to lunch.
bangel_4e: car vampbangel_4e on November 30th, 2012 12:23 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about that too. How come they changed it just for this episode?
Julie said it was in plan since season 3 so why are they messing it up?
They should've made Elena agree with him every single time..instead, she did what she wanted.

That's what I don't get.

And also, I'm pretty sure it's a sire bond considering what happens in the next ep and what Julie said.
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I read a Julie Plec interview that she gave exclusively to zapit about this episode. And all I have to say to you is: GIRL YOU ARE RIGHT!!! Totally and completely! Plus, you want to know reason for Tyler sticking around along with the whole existence of hybrid and siring plot line? It was so Damon and Elena would have an obstacle in relationship in season 4! I'm not even joking! Julie Plec explicitly said that plus that the only reason they put Stefan and Elena back together is so that they could give them satisfying and final ending so that Elena can feel free to pursue relationship with Damon. And you called it!!
The only thing I disagree with is that I think Caroline did cross some major lines in today's episode. But I will probably get over it eventually....
Arabian: Damon04arabian on November 30th, 2012 12:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I did read that one and was quite, quite thrilled with it because yeah, she pretty much made clear everything that I loved about the episode was good and there! Woohoo!!

Oh, I do think Caroline was wrong and crossed lines, my thing is that I completely get WHY she did. :)
bangel_4e: olivia bwbangel_4e on November 30th, 2012 12:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you SO MUCH for this, you seriously made me feel better.

Cause I was truly pissed off, like 100%.
I know Elena's passion for Damon is the same as when she was a human, no doubt about it.
And Julie Plec said Damon wants these feelings to be real, Elena truly believe they're real and that this sire bond is just a tiny bump on the road for them and they'll have to overcome it.

With all the tiny details, like Elena NOT feeding on the blond girl and not doing what Damon suggests..how can they say it's a sire bond?
It sure is pretty light. I would like to see that addressed but I know it probably will never hapen.

And I also hate how Stelena fans are gonna say this isn't real, even after Julie said so. I just hate it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena22arabian on November 30th, 2012 01:01 pm (UTC)
I'm really confused (although I was expecting) as to why so many people are SO pissed off about this episode. I mean, OBVIOUSLY Elena had these uber-intense feelings for Damon before she turned so OBVIOUSLY they are real. And the fact that they are now bonded most likely is kinda totally awesome... that's something that she can't have with Stefan. So it's just totally win-win all around. And everything in that interview that Julie Plec gave pretty much screamed DAMON AND ELENA ARE ENDGAME!

With all the tiny details, like Elena NOT feeding on the blond girl and not doing what Damon suggests..how can they say it's a sire bond?

I was thinking on that and as I said above to you, I do think it can still make sense. The sire bond is just different from how we (and Stefan and Caroline) know it at this point. After all a vampire-vampire sire bond developed through love has got to be different from a hybrid-hybrid sire bond developed through the wolfy-factor. I think the connection that Elena feels with Damon is driven by her already-there feelings for him and that the bond was formed mostly because of that, and because of it, yes, his suggestions do hold sway but not at all like Stefan and Caroline think. Because, again, there were a lot little things that Damon didn't suggest or that he did that didn't come to pass.

And I also hate how Stelena fans are gonna say this isn't real, even after Julie said so. I just hate it.

I genuinely mean this... why? They think Stefan and Elena are totally awesome. They don't view the show the way they do, and who cares what their point of view is on what is going on especially when the show's executive producer and main writer has made it clear that they are wrong? Damon and Elena are it. Anything the S/E fanbase says at this point (and in m opinion that's where I've been 99.9% of the time since the middle of season 02) has zero meaning to me because Damon and Elena are obviously endgame. Period. Who cares what they think? Really.

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Vickie: Ian-Delena Cosmic Lovesarcasticcheese on November 30th, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC)
"It's not going to be that long."
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

Do I know you or do I know you?

Also, this one:


Is the one I was referring to when I said it looked like Damon was trying to eat/swallow her face. ;) It still sort of does, but it's more just the angle of his head and how much into kissing her he is at that moment.

And yeah, I don't know how he did it, but somehow Matt Donovan went from 2nd to last favorite character on my list to 2nd favorite character. Kudos to the writers and Zach Roerig for that. I want him and Damon to become BFFs. He can't replace Alaric, but I could definitely see Matt and Damon as Team Badass 2.0. I'd watch a show called "The Further Adventures of Damon and Matt."

I haven't been this satisfied with a TVD episode in a long time.

And man, I can't wait to watch Caroline eat lots and lots of crow. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)02arabian on November 30th, 2012 02:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, fine, whatever. By the way, butterfly totes agreed with you that I wouldn't manage not a long post. I really don't think I will sometimes. I mean it!

Do I know you or do I know you?

Yes, yes, you do.

how much into kissing her he is at that moment

Yeah, he was REALLY into kissing her. Methinks the boy was very, very much enjoying his job.

somehow Matt Donovan went from 2nd to last favorite character on my list to 2nd favorite character

Well, third for me if we're counting regulars (Elena I still love uber-alots!!) and of all characters, Rebekah still is one step ahead of Matty, but still that is DAMN impressive. He is just SO awesome. And, no, he can't replace Alaric, but he's a worthy successor.

I'd watch a show called "The Further Adventures of Damon and Matt."

I so would too. SO WOULD VERY MUCH!

I haven't been this satisfied with a TVD episode in a long time.

Really? I'm glad you loved this one, but you should rewatch the last episode. That one just got better and better with each viewing. Truly awesome stuff. And while I think I've enjoyed this season more than you, yeah, this was the first grinning like a crazy fool, OMG!Awesome episode since 3.19, I think. (Which, no, it not just because of D/E making out, dangit! I was all whee! about 15 and 16 too. (And 11, and 10 -- okay, D/E kissage in that, and 9 and 8 and 5 and 3.) :D

Yeah, I think I'm the only D/E fan who was loving Caroline this episode, LOL! But, yes, plenty of crow for her. Plenty. :)
Alisha: Revenge - EmilyNolanBamfWalkkalishaka on November 30th, 2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
I enjoy what you wrote. And I agree in large part. And I want to agree with the final scenes...but I can't. I know I've already ranted about this elsewhere. I don't think my issue is with where the story is going....or that the idea was introduced. I think my problem with it being placed over the scene....is purely that is made the scene triggering. Because it was Stefan and Caroline calling it rape....while I continued to watch it. And while I know what they are saying is bullshit...I'm not comfortable with the writer's putting that scene there and editing them together like that. (In general I thought the editing and shots throughout this episode were horrible this time for some reason, so it was just adding to problems I already had.)

There were so many things I loved in this episode. All the Miss Mystic Falls parallels. The constant reminder that for a very Human Elena.....that was the moment she realized she was starting to have feelings for Damon. Something that everyone else with eyes, ears, senses....knows. Elena was flawless throughout the entire episode. The way she dealt with Stefan, perfect.

I guess in the end, I don't want to take away from the awesome of this episode. It had a lot of good content. I just....think the packaging could have been better. And I don't think I can get over my discomfort with the end scene of this episode until it's resolved later, and depending on how they resolve it...I might or might not.
Arabian: Damon & Elena23arabian on November 30th, 2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
I guess where I come from is that NOTHING that Caroline and Stefan said even remotely pointed to me that either were suggesting let alone calling it rape at all. I mean, Stefan and Caroline didn't even know what was going on. All of their concern was wrapped up in the fact that Elena dumped Stefan because she has feelings for Damon. That's it. But I saw nothing that could even remotely trigger me to think of the juxtaposition that way and for people who potentially have nothing either I can see why it never crossed their minds that it could trigger because rape was never on the table or part of the equation when conceiving, writing and directing that scene. Until you wrote it, it never even came close to making a blip on my radar. And even after how you read it, I still -- from my perspective which doesn't have any tinge of that perspective -- don't see it at all. I don't see at all where you get that from. So I truly don't think it was not only the intention but that the thought or evn the possibility of the thought was even in the ballpark in that regard.

I just saw the juxtaposition as being about Elena and Damon are giving into their passion for one another while Stefan and Caroline are convinced that, no, Elena can't really like Damon for Damon. Nope, she only thinks she likes him because he sired her. Which creates that juxtaposition because obviously what Damon and Elena have is real because we know it's real, we've watched it grow and develop and become this real beautiful thing, and Stefan and Caroline have just figured something out that could conceivably create a bump in the road because they're misinterpreting the sire bond because they don't get it.

I didn't have any problem with editing or shots elsewhere, either, hmm.

Well, based on a Julie interview about this episode, I have an idea that the resolution basically revolves around Elena being all nuh uh!

Yeah, I don't know what to say, I didn't get that at all from it. I'm sorry you did.

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VC_forever: Damon/Elenavc_forever on November 30th, 2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode! And I love this post! It's everything I've been thinking and everything every D/E shipper should read to get through the coming episodes. I'm sure there will be lots of angst in the near future and that may cause doubt in the fans' minds about the fate of our ship... We need all the encouragement we can get, to keep from despairing in the darkest moments. : )

What you said about Stefan needing to accept that the Ripper is a part of him... I've thought about this so many times! It kind of freaks me out when he starts talking about "The Ripper" in the third person. He IS the Ripper and that doesn't take away from the fact that he still tries to be a good person! Quite the opposite; I think if he didn't keep blaming this "other person" for all his bad deeds, if he embraced the fact that there is darkness in him and it can get REALLY dark, he might have been able to find a way to handle it and cope with it by now...

I agree with pretty much all of this, though, so I won't run through all of it. : ) I'm totally bookmarking this page, though, if that's all right with you, to read again later and also to come stare at the lovely .gif's. : P
The one of them dancing with their foreheads touching is my favourite. Sooo sweet! ♥♥
Arabian: Damon & Elena16arabian on November 30th, 2012 03:45 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode! And I love this post! It's everything I've been thinking and everything every D/E shipper should read to get through the coming episodes.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Whee, this makes me feel happy. :D :D (And if you're interested, feel free to check out this post with all of my other TVD posts</a>.)

What you said about Stefan needing to accept that the Ripper is a part of him...

And it's so intentional, so clearly that is a story they will be telling. I can't wait.

Glad you enjoyed my thoughts, and welcome to my LJ. :)
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Cassandra Elise: damon/elena dancingcassandra_elise on November 30th, 2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
THIS ^^^ X 1000. My sister and one of my other LJ friends were really pissed about the Sire Bond reveal, but I told them that the only reason I'm annoyed by the sire bond is because I believe it is the most irritating red herring ever contrived, solely created so the poor little Stelena shippers will hang around longer. Julie Plec has said that Elena has feelings for Damon. Obviously, if there really is a sire bond, (which I'm still not sure there is at this point--too many instances of Elena not following Damon's commands), Elena's feelings have nothing to do with that bond. Yes, she may be acting on his orders in some instance, but she did NOT act on his orders to kiss and have sex with him. Those were her feelings. The same feelings we saw last season in the motel. The same feelings that were present in season one "Miss Mystic Falls," which Elena and Damon conveniently brought up in this episode.

Stefan and Caroline were very vocal in expressing that Elena's love for Damon was only around since she turned into a vampire, but everything that Damon and Elena DID in this episode and have done in the past proves otherwise. As you said, the Telling was completely different from the Showing.

I also caught the whole "blue dress is safe" analogy and it made me LOL. Safe is BORING (like Stelena).

I think you're right in that Damon is totally going to take the high road (again!) and break up with Elena because he believes her feelings aren't real. And this time, it will be Elena who has to fight to win the man she loves. Damon has suffered so much rejection through the years, he needs someone willing to prove their love for him. I think Elena will be that someone. :)

BTW, I didn't realize that many people were hating on this episode. On Tumblr last night, 90% of the Delena population was stoked and was completely okay with the sire bond thing, either because they thought it was a bunch of BS or they realized Elena's feelings were still genuine.

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Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:02 am (UTC)
the only reason I'm annoyed by the sire bond is because I believe it is the most irritating red herring ever contrived

That doesn't annoy me because I think it will be something like this will be what is necessary (a) for Stefan to finally get it that, YES, Elena loves Damon, and (b) for Damon to finally get that, YES, he's beautiful and he's worth it! (OK, he already knows the first part, LOL!)

solely created so the poor little Stelena shippers will hang around longer

I thought that was it, but now I'm kinda thinking it will be resolved and revealed to not be what they think sooner rather than later.

if there really is a sire bond, (which I'm still not sure there is at this point--too many instances of Elena not following Damon's commands), Elena's feelings have nothing to do with that bond.

I'm at the point now where I think the sire bond is there and real but it's there and real ONLY because Damon and Elena love each other. When Julie said that they kept the hybrid stuff front and center for people to reference, I realized it wasn't so that people could remember it, but that so people could realize 'wait a minute! there are way too many differences here! it can't be what Stefan and Caroline are saying it is!' And, of course, Klaus would lead them to think otherwise because he knows that Damon doesn't care if Elena is human or vampire, but Stefan does.

Stefan and Caroline were very vocal in expressing that Elena's love for Damon was only around since she turned into a vampire, but everything that Damon and Elena DID in this episode and have done in the past proves otherwise. As you said, the Telling was completely different from the Showing.

Yup. The ONLY people who were saying that Elena is different -- when she SO is not -- are Jeremy (because of the Hunter's curse) and Stefan/Caroline (who are grasping at straws because they can't fathom that Elena loves Damon).

I think you're right in that Damon is totally going to take the high road (again!) and break up with Elena because he believes her feelings aren't real. And this time, it will be Elena who has to fight to win the man she loves. Damon has suffered so much rejection through the years, he needs someone willing to prove their love for him. I think Elena will be that someone. :)

I KNOW!!!!! SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, I didn't realize that many people were hating on this episode. On Tumblr last night, 90% of the Delena population was stoked and was completely okay with the sire bond thing, either because they thought it was a bunch of BS or they realized Elena's feelings were still genuine.

Glad to know that a bunch of others do love it too. :)
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on November 30th, 2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
AS you know from our conversation, I am now 100% on board with you re: all things sire bond-related. It doesn't screw with Damon/Elena or Elena's agency at all.

Now I know that there are many none too pleased with Caroline right now. I'm totally fine with her because she might as well have been holding anvils in her scenes with Elena. Seriously. She was going on and on about how terrible and awful Damon is, and how revolting the idea was that Elena wanted to be with him... TO KLAUS. While she is laughing and smiling and having moments and drinking champagne with KLAUS. Who killed Jenna. Who kills lots and lots and lots of people. Who is a bad guy.

Yes. She was also probably projecting hard, too. Isn't the last time she went on about how disgusting Damon/Elena was during an episode when Klaus was wooing her? I feel like it was.

So, yeah, Stefan actually told Elena she needs to be fixed... because she's not that into him anymore.

I'm really feeling the urge to go back and watch the episodes with Caroline's dad so that I can grab the vocabulary that he uses when talking about Caroline.

The Damon/Elena song choices were perf.
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:04 am (UTC)
AS you know from our conversation, I am now 100% on board with you re: all things sire bond-related. It doesn't screw with Damon/Elena or Elena's agency at all.

WHEE! :)

Yes. She was also probably projecting hard, too. Isn't the last time she went on about how disgusting Damon/Elena was during an episode when Klaus was wooing her? I feel like it was.

Yup! I really think we're heading somewhere (of course, this thought is aided somewhat by the fact that I'm pretty sure Julie mentioned at some point pre-season that Caroline and the Klaus thing is going to have a bearing on her take on Damon/Elena, but yeah, this episode just made that REALLY obvious).

I'm really feeling the urge to go back and watch the episodes with Caroline's dad so that I can grab the vocabulary that he uses when talking about Caroline.

You so should!

The Damon/Elena song choices were perf.

They pretty much always are. :D
Eris: pic#110572612l_eris_l on November 30th, 2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much for this review. :-) Despite some of my complaints about certain scenes, overall I really did love this ep. Your comments make me feel a lot more positive about things too, so thank you!

I loved the meaningful dress conversation, and Caroline practically holding an anvil like you said lol. Even Klaus tried to make her see it, getting her to realize that becoming a vamp only amplifies feelings you already had. She says Damon is never right when we know he usually is. They say Stefan is the good one while showing us scenes of him behaving badly. The show has made a point, more than once, to show that Stefan is being very selfish while Damon loves Elena no matter what. I love the contrast between the brothers, it is so deliberate.

I guess where I'm frustrated is that no one *on the show* is acknowledging any of it. The closest we got was Meredith, but everyone else is still on the Damon is bad, Elena needs to be fixed bandwagon, and that's grating on me I guess. DE's feelings are real and I think they are endgame, and I love all the parallels to prior scenes and great music we are getting. I know it's going somewhere I just get frustrated with the characters for being dense. Lol.

Oh and I really like Matt this season too. I used to want them to kill him off but now I'd like him to team up with Damon more. We need another truthteller on the show and maybe he's it.
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:09 am (UTC)
Thank you very much for this review. :-) Despite some of my complaints about certain scenes, overall I really did love this ep. Your comments make me feel a lot more positive about things too, so thank you!

I'm glad I could help somewhat. :)

I loved the meaningful dress conversation, and Caroline practically holding an anvil like you said lol. Even Klaus tried to make her see it, getting her to realize that becoming a vamp only amplifies feelings you already had.

Yup, it's just all going to come and clock her in the head hard soon enough.

She says Damon is never right when we know he usually is.

Yup, that pretty much cracked me up. Yet another sign that Caroline is completely blinded by her Damon-issues to see reality.

They say Stefan is the good one while showing us scenes of him behaving badly. The show has made a point, more than once, to show that Stefan is being very selfish while Damon loves Elena no matter what. I love the contrast between the brothers, it is so deliberate.

Exactly. And it really was on startling display in this episode because it wasn't even about Elena. At least not for Damon. Damon was looking out for Jeremy. He wasn't motivated by his desire for Elena. Stefan was.

I guess where I'm frustrated is that no one *on the show* is acknowledging any of it. The closest we got was Meredith, but everyone else is still on the Damon is bad, Elena needs to be fixed bandwagon, and that's grating on me I guess.

That's actually not true anymore. Only Stefan and Caroline are on the Damon is bad bandwagon. And only those two and Jeremy -- who is suffering from the Hunter's Curse -- are on the Elena needs to be fixed bandwagon. Matt told Damon "I know you don't like me," not "I don't like you" and he went to him to talk about stuff. Tyler had a civil conversation and clearly has no problem working with Damon as evidenced by Damon calling him a few times. Jeremy's joking 'give me a stake and I'll do Damon now' last week was awesome because it *was* joking and showed that Jeremy is 100% comfortable with Damon now. Elena, of course, is team!Damon. And other than the HORRIBLE direction by Joshua Butler in episode 04 (which pretty much made a muck of EVERYONE'S characterization), Bonnie has been totally fine with Damon.

DE's feelings are real and I think they are endgame, and I love all the parallels to prior scenes and great music we are getting. I know it's going somewhere I just get frustrated with the characters for being dense. Lol.

But it's only Caroline and Stefan and both have legitimate reasons for wanting to not believe it's real. Everyone else sees it and knows it. I mean, Matt with his look at the end to Jeremy all but said 'yeah, Elena's going to the boarding house to bone Damon.'

Oh and I really like Matt this season too. I used to want them to kill him off but now I'd like him to team up with Damon more. We need another truthteller on the show and maybe he's it.

I KNOW!!!!!

Edited at 2012-12-02 07:12 am (UTC)
(no subject) - l_eris_l on December 2nd, 2012 01:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on December 3rd, 2012 05:24 am (UTC) (Expand)
tams71: pic#97498213tams71 on November 30th, 2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
I must say that I totally called it when I said that Elena’s first time vamp sex would be with Damon! When we first heard rumblings about Elena having hot vampire sex and everyone was speculating as to who it might be with, I stood firm to my belief that Damon would be her “first” even in the midst of people saying that with the show’s history, it would be Stefan. I am so glad I was right because it was off the hook sexy, sensual, hot, erotic, sweet, romantic, intimate, and just all-around fanfuckingtastic! It was everything I hoped it would be and so much more. I have re-watched those moments so many times that Cox Communications is going to be calling soon with a warning about overuse of my DVR.

Weighing in on the editing, sire bond stuff...

At first I was annoyed that the Stefan and Caroline scenes were weaved into Damon and Elena’s moment, but in retrospect the scenes had to be edited that way in order to show that while the sire bond may come into play, (only slightly in my opinion, because I believe the bond that Damon and Elena share is natural, runs very deep, and has been developing since season one) it is in stark contrast to the “bond” that Stefan and Caroline were discussing and pontificating about. Human Elena was physically attracted to Damon, Human Elena had feelings for Damon, Human Elena and Damon already had something between them (using Human Elena’s own words, “we have something,an understanding”), Human Elena ran into Damon’s arms in Denver and macked on him, Human Elena told Matt that Damon consumed her…they have always had a bond, it is not something that developed because Damon’s blood was coursing through her veins when she died in the dark waters running under Wickery Bridge.

In terms of the sire aspect, I think the fact that Damon’s blood turned Elena only strengthens and intensifies the bond. If siring were what Stefan and Caroline believe it to be then Vicky, Caroline, Isobel, and Bonnie’s mother would have had some sort of reaction, albeit minor and Tyler and all the other hybrids would be humping Klaus’ legs non-stop. In my view siring has the potential to forge a bond in a variety of ways including complete dominance such as with Klaus and his hybrids or in Damon and Elena’s case, a reaffirmation or strengthening of something that was already there.

I’m not worried about the sire card being played or the potential for Elena’s feelings not being genuine. I think that once Stefan and his personal cheerleader Caroline plant the seed in both Damon and Elena’s minds that it will lead Damon, particular because he was burned by Katherine, to question if Elena truly loves him or if the sire bond has played a role. Damon of course will do the noble thing, even though it will break his heart and tell Elena that she needs to do some soul-searching and figure out how she feels without him and the possibility of a sire bond standing in her way. I think Elena will be pissed at Stefan and Caroline for questioning the validity of her feelings and her heart will break for Damon because she knows that the one thing he has been searching for all his life (as a human and a vampire) is love and acceptance. All of which will lead to Elena fighting for Damon and proving not only to him, but to all the naysayers that the love she feels for Damon is real and true and that the sire bond is just a way for people like Stefan and Caroline, who have no clue whatsoever, to negate the love that is between her and Damon. It may be a pipe dream, but it’s my pipe dream and if Julie Plec and company have any sense, this is the route they’ll take. For me it’s the only scenario that makes sense at this point in time.

I did not mean to go on and on about the whole sire bond deal, but it seems as if people are losing faith and about to throw in the towel because it looks like the sire bond will erase the awesomeness that was Damon and Elena in the episode. I hope that Julie’s interview and various recaps, including yours, can help to dissipate some of the anxiety and feelings of gloom and impending doom.

I’ll comment on other aspects of your post later when I get home from work, as my boss has now arrived and is lurking around. Peace out!


Edited at 2012-11-30 07:08 pm (UTC)
Vickie: Heart Yousarcasticcheese on November 30th, 2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
I love you.
(no subject) - l_eris_l on November 30th, 2012 10:43 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:19 am (UTC) (Expand)
oldvictorianquill: pic#115702170victorianquill on November 30th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
Everything I've been thinking written down here perfectly. Thank you! *hugs*
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on November 30th, 2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
Thank you. Glad to see there are others who totally loved it too! :D
(Anonymous) on November 30th, 2012 06:46 pm (UTC)
I wish I had something semi-intelligent to say, but mostly I'm just fanning myself to keep from crying because I just watched this episode like, ten minutes ago. AWWW.. *bawls* (Sorry, I'm a hopeless romantic.) I laughed as well when Klaus was making subtle fun of Caroline and her 'so-called-hating' of Elena for liking bad boys. I mean, come on. Caroline *so* has a thing for them. And that end scene!! It was just so obvious to me Caroline & Stefan both in their own way live in 'la-la-land' and I *LOVE* how subtly poignant that point was made - such brilliant writing! Anyways.. I've been a lurker for much too long, but yeah, I'm just shy. I think you're awesome and really get human behaviour. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena23arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:26 am (UTC)
Well, thank you for coming out of lurking to comment, and obviously I agree with all you've written here. :)
jamdourado: pic#111516876jamdourado on November 30th, 2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
This episode was perfect!!!!
I don't understand why people are worried that Elena's for Damon isn't real and I'm like haven't you watched S3?? He just consumed her!!! And some people were saying that the sex was too soon but when has these two done something following the rules?? It was perfect, I hated the Stefan and Carolina juxtaposition, but it was still hot and sweet, one thing I loved is that they showed both going down, while Elena was all desperate to kiss every surface of his chest, Damon wanted to take his time, enjoy every place. URGH

Not gonna lie, I don't like this blind stanning for Stefan, I know she hates Damon and I expect to stay this way, but as someone that likes Caroline and ships SC I don't like how she praises Stefan and make it look like he is perfect, I hope she is the one that sees that he is loosing control and helps him be a better vampire. And I didn't like how she seemed OK with the idea of Klaus using Elena's blood to make more hybrids.
Klaus and Caroline were so cute this episode, i hate that I like them, but Joseph and Candice have so much chemistry!!!!!!

And there was a plot on this episode too!!! Jeremy now wants to kill his sister O.O I'm really excited to see what will happen with this hunter story, is there a cure?? will he finish the tattoo?? and what is the cure??? And that brings Prof. Shane, who I'm hoping to be one of the good guys, he is helping Bonnie because of this cure, I just want to know what he is going to get with all of this.

Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on December 2nd, 2012 07:34 am (UTC)
This episode was perfect!!!!

Sigh, I know, right!?

I don't understand why people are worried that Elena's for Damon isn't real and I'm like haven't you watched S3??

I KNOW?!?!?!

He just consumed her!!! And some people were saying that the sex was too soon but when has these two done something following the rules?? It was perfect, I hated the Stefan and Carolina juxtaposition

Like I said, I had no problem with it as a TVD-viewer, as a D/E fangirl I would have preferred it without the intercutting, but it made sense story-wise, and aha! it guarantees that we'll get a second love scene (which is one more than S/E have had).

it was still hot and sweet

Sigh, yes, it was.

one thing I loved is that they showed both going down, while Elena was all desperate to kiss every surface of his chest, Damon wanted to take his time, enjoy every place. URGH

Yup, very true. And I loved how mussed up their hair was (especially Damon's) and that light sheen of sweat on them, it just made it feel so real as opposed to just any old choreographed love scene.

Not gonna lie, I don't like this blind stanning for Stefan, I know she hates Damon and I expect to stay this way, but as someone that likes Caroline and ships SC I don't like how she praises Stefan and make it look like he is perfect, I hope she is the one that sees that he is loosing control and helps him be a better vampire. And I didn't like how she seemed OK with the idea of Klaus using Elena's blood to make more hybrids.

I'm OK with it because it is in character and frankly Caroline and Damon need to hash things out. He needs to genuinely apologize to her and she needs to acknowledge that he's not the guy he was then, but that won't happen until they actually hash things out. That's what I'm waiting and hoping for with them. And I do think that Caroline is deliberately (although not realizing it) being blind about the bad that is Klaus because then it reveals her to be a total hypocrite about Damon and she's just not there yet.

Klaus and Caroline were so cute this episode, i hate that I like them, but Joseph and Candice have so much chemistry!!!!!!

I know, LOL!

And there was a plot on this episode too!!! Jeremy now wants to kill his sister O.O I'm really excited to see what will happen with this hunter story, is there a cure?? will he finish the tattoo?? and what is the cure??? And that brings Prof. Shane, who I'm hoping to be one of the good guys, he is helping Bonnie because of this cure, I just want to know what he is going to get with all of this.

I know! It's all exciting and intriguing. I'm loving it so hard.