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08 June 2012 @ 09:01 pm
TVD fanfic peeves, take two :)  
Some more TVD fanfic pet peeves .... I'm still not over my 'Lena thing, but there are a few other things that bug me. I know that I note these things because I'm ridiculously obsessed and watch the show like a zillion times, but man, it still bugs.

1.) When the boarding house is referred to as the plantation home that the Salvatores lived in 1864. Stefan took Elena to the ruins/bare-bones of that home in "Lost Girls." That plantation ain't around folks. The boarding house was built in the 50's or something. Different houses.

2.) Vampires have super-hearing ALL THE TIME. This one I do not get. The show has made it perfectly clear that vampires need to actually focus on something specific to super-hear. That's why we get the close-up of their ears. That's why new-vamp Caroline told Elena to be quiet in "Kill or Be Killed" and concentrated very specifically on listening for where the boys were. That's why Elena had to tell very, very new-vamp Jenna to concentrate and focus, direct her hearing to Stefan and Klaus to listen in on their conversation. If vampires had super-hearing all the time without focusing, they'd go insane from the non-stop cacophony of noise and conversations. In other words, unless Damon wanted to torture himself and thus focused on the noises specifically, he wouldn't hear every time Stefan and Elena have sex, and in future-fics, vice versa.

3.) Vampires have heartbeats on The Vampire Diaries. I wondered about that myself because Damon didn't realize that it wasn't Elena he was kissing in "Founder's Day" which should have been a dead giveaway if vampires didn't have heartbeats, so I figured they did. Obviously, this could have tied into the whole super-hearing thing, but considering what was going on, it just seemed like this would be an instance where Damon was super-focused on EVERYTHING about the girl he was kissing, LOL! Plus, why would Katherine even bother trying to impersonate Elena with the boys because all they'd have to do is listen for her heartbeat (or lack thereof). So, yeah, they had to have heartbeats, I figured.

Then in "By the Light of the Moon," Katherine specifically mentioned heartbeats. She described the vampire-dessication process to Stefan while in the tomb: "How long have you actually gone without blood? I know you get desiccated in theory, Stefan, but in reality, it's much worse. Your heart still beats, struggling to pump whatever blood remains. When it's gone, your veins rub together like sandpaper. It's excruciating." Yet, I've read countless fics that not only mention the lack of a heartbeat in the vamps, but also Damon knowing it's Katherine as opposed to Elena due to the lack of heartbeat -- which he obviously didn't on the show because he thought he was kissing Elena.

4.) Vampire-siring. I get that most vampire mythologies make siring a big-deal, there's a relationship, a bond, etc. between vampires and the "children" they sire. That is so beyond obviously NOT the case in The Vampire Diaries. Damon has absolutely zero interest in Caroline, who he sired, and Caroline clearly has absolutely no bond to Damon whatsoever. In fact, the show explicitly made it clear that there is no sire-bond by having Damon point out the strange sire-bond between Klaus and Tyler ... which he figured must be because of the werewolf aspect. Implying that, yeah, there is no such bond with regular vampires. I've read many a recent fic that has Elena having some sort of bond with whomever her sire is (it's generally either Damon, Elijah -- what? really? -- or Stefan) and she has some sire-bond with them, and she is their "child." Seriously. How can does anyone watch this show and not get that this is NOT a thing in this show's vampire mythology by now? I do not get it.

ETA: Thought of two more ---

5.) Misspelled obvious character names. The recurring/one-off characters bug too, but I can mostly deal with that if the story is well-written otherwise, but when Stefan is spelt "Stephan" (HAPPENS SO MUCH!) or Caroline is spelt "Carolyn," I'm like, really? You can't look up the proper spelling? And, hello, we've actually seen BOTH of those two names written out on the show (Stefan's in 1.04, and then shown again in 1.05, so pretty dang early on!), so no excuse. And it really, really sucks when the writing is actually good overall because I just get thrown with the mispelled name every time!

6.) Elena loving Damon ALL ALONG. It's clear that the story is taking place canonically and then the writers throw in Elena realizing that she's loved Damon all along, you know even back when he was awful to Caroline and Stefan, and pretty much a jerk. Heck, at any point of season 01 when, yeah, she cared, but girl was SO NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM YET! But, nope, you see, she's secretly loved him from the moment she knew they met, but had just denied it. And that doesn't work for me because it's not canon.

So, what fanfic peeves do you all have? The last thread was so much fun!
 
 
 
Arabian: Damon04arabian on June 9th, 2012 12:04 pm (UTC)
This goes along with the 'not needing to breathe' trope because I've read so many fics about the unneeded breaths Damon's taken.

Yes, yes, I always get thrown by that. But, to be honest, I'm not sure about that one. I mean, as far as we know, they probably don't know need to breathe (see, Stefan underwater with no problem, but obviously sapped of strength RME). Having heartbeats makes sense with the blood in the system, but they are dead, so breaths are probably not necessarily. Do I think they breathe normally? Yes, because they function like humans, but they won't die if they hold their breaths. However, they probably would pass out and do the vamp-recovery thing because, yeah, they do breathe. Okay, so, yeah, I'm back to, dudes, they breathe.

Also, 'Lena, 'Lena, 'Lena.

I was going to add, that while it's true it has been said ONCE IN A BLUE MOON, it remains SO NOT THE NORM! (Yes, this brings out the capitals) and so many fics make Damon say her name thus CONSTANTLY.
Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellations: Delena EW3thesicko1012 on June 9th, 2012 02:01 pm (UTC)
Yes, we have seen vampires holding each other by the necks enough to know that they breathe. That's what bugs me is that people think that there is a strict way to portray vampires no matter what show/book/movie they're from. A lot of people completely ignore what the writers have done with them (and, yes, I know they can be a little inconsistent at times) and just match the characters with their idealized version of vampires, most of the times to suit their story.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)05arabian on June 10th, 2012 12:06 pm (UTC)
Yup, that's what's so annoying. It's like not only are they taking vampire mythology from other shows, but actively applying it to TVD when we've clearly been told/shown the opposite.

A lot of people completely ignore what the writers have done with them and just match the characters with their idealized version of vampires, most of the times to suit their story.

Yeah, there was a really good story on FF that completely ignored the heartbeat thing (and mentioned it a LOT) and even when I mentioned it to her, she was all, eh, doesn't work for my story. RME
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Damon hauntedbadboy_fangirl on June 10th, 2012 02:49 am (UTC)
WRT the breathing, let it be noted humans can train themselves to hold their breaths for long periods of time. So, yeah, while a vampire can go longer than a human, just like they can move faster or hear better if they try, it still doesn't strike me that they don't need to breathe. But that's just following the logic set forth with other things. No canonical proof, obviously.

It's fun to talk about rules they haven't verified on the show.
Arabian: Damon12arabian on June 10th, 2012 12:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we can play with them and see how far we can go or can't based on what we have seen.

ETA: Doing gifs for 1.03, I take back ANY reservations on this one. Regardless of the fact that Ian Somerhalder is obviously a human and thus does breathe, they could have edited it if necessary and did not. When Caroline looks at him in bed, you VERY clearly see him breathing, quite obvious rise and fall. So yup, heartbeats and breathing. Yuppers!

Edited at 2012-06-26 01:05 pm (UTC)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Damon caprisunbadboy_fangirl on June 26th, 2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
I remember reading a critique of the show early on where someone referenced that and how it was so wrong because you could clearly see Damon breathing--and I, who had very little knowledge of anything vampire-related, prior to watching TVD thought it was such a weird criticism. (I mean, I knew so little my roommate had to explain the whole invitation into a house thing.) But now it seems most purposeful...in this universe vampires don't sparkle in the sun, but their bodies seem to function very much like a human's. I always think of Vicki being surprised that she still had to pee as a vampire. Just, LOL.

Also, since we're back on this topic, I found this fic the other day that was recced by someone and I could not read it because in the first like ten paragraphs, Damon called Elena "'Lena" like FIVE TIMES! OMG. Overkill, overkill, overkill! All the same, I thought of you and thought you should know even I can get irritated by it! Ha!
wickedrumwickedrum on June 10th, 2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
well, thing is, we see them breathe. It would be quite hard to make it look like they don't. For ex when Damon's lying on his bed, his chest is obviously rising. So whether this is out of the necessities that comes with a show rather than a book, or not, but tvdvampires breathe.
Arabian: Ian & Nina14arabian on June 26th, 2012 01:06 pm (UTC)
LOL! I hadn't seen this response, and just added it above because I'm gif-ing that episode. They could have totally edited it to not be the case if the vamps don't breathe. Clearly they do.