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11 May 2012 @ 09:29 pm
I suppose this tells us everything we need to know ...  
Per Julie Plec -- "If you love the show watch it. If you are watching just for Damon Elena stop."

Wow. She really doesn't care about the Damon/Elena fanbase at all. Wow. I'm shocked that she (or any showrunner) would say that about any fanbase, let alone arguably their largest.

Just wow.

Here's the full quote and it's not AS bad, and she's clearly not trying to tell D/E fans to take a hike, but yeah, she needs to stop talking. Her form of damage control is like the worst ever.

Quote: Ohhh, gosh. Well, you know, I feel like if I was watching that episode and analyzing it and paying attention to it that there is a lot more in there that is much more complicated than just a simple 'Damon got rejected.' Because, in my opinion, that's not what really happened at all. Yes, in this moment she had to say who do I give the goodbye to, who do I love more, it's Stefan, because it's been Stefan for her, but that's just a moment, you know, it's just a moment, a moment in an episode that is about so much more, in a show that is about so much more in a season that's been about so much more. And to me, it's almost in a beautiful way kind of negated, that little moment, by the flashback. Where we just say hey, you know what? There's so much more to this relationship than even Elena knows or that our audience knew, so it just opens the door for continued exploration. Which is life, you know? That's what life is. This show is not cut and dried, it's not the Stefan Elena Show, it's not the Damon Elena Show, it's a show about people and feelings and growth and it's a journey and so I personally it makes me sad to see people responding with oh this is it we're done with the show because I feel like that's silly, why did you stay in all this time just to miss out on probably the best parts over the next couple of years. I don't in my life ever remember - I'm dying for couples to get together and love stories to be told and I loved watching the journey so much it never ruined the show for me when the journey took a different path because I knew the path would continue. So I would say, if you love the show, keep watching the show because these characters are just in the middle of their journey. If you only like the show to see Damon and Elena as a couple, then you should probably stop because it's not going to happen in episode one of next year. It may happen eventually but it's all part of a very long and hopefully beautiful road.

So, yeah, it's better, but still pretty damn bad. I get what she's saying, but she's handling this SO horribly. To say it's silly to stop watching even though we've gotten our teeth kicked in as a fanbase continuously, to say that it's silly because we "probably" will get good stuff in a few years, to liken our issue with a simple 'Damon got rejected' as opposed to the fact that it's that Damon got rejected AGAIN ... all of it, is just so badly spoken.

And the big problem is that, yes, this IS the Stefan/Elena show. When you sell it on a triangle, and one-half is the couple for two of the first three years, and with a slight detour in the third year that hinted at exploration of the other before dovetailing in that first couple, and then you're told that the fourth season will feature that first couple again -- it IS that couple's show. Without ever acknowledging that, she's just making it clear that SHE DOES NOT GET IT.
 
 
 
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Arabian: Penny02 - Face Palmarabian on May 12th, 2012 01:36 am (UTC)
Yeah. I take back telling ANYONE to watch this show now. In one episode and the follow-up interviews, they've single-handedly destroyed just about everything that I thought was so awesome about the show. Ian Somerhalder is still amazing though, and the chemisty he has with Nina Dobrev is AWESOME.
(no subject) - paceisthetrick on May 12th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC) (Expand)
Vickie: Ian - Dalaric Seriously?sarcasticcheese on May 12th, 2012 01:42 am (UTC)
Where did she say this?

Wow.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric02arabian on May 12th, 2012 01:47 am (UTC)
I don't know, but someone reliable on FF directly quoted Julie. She got it wrong at first (thinking it was that if you just wanted D/E to get together, don't watch), but then came back with the direct quote. I just asked her for the source.

I'm honestly still in shock.
(no subject) - paceisthetrick on May 12th, 2012 01:55 am (UTC) (Expand)
bluesuzanne: blake and jennybluesuzanne on May 12th, 2012 01:43 am (UTC)
Wow, I'm sad she would say something like that. Mostly because it's just mean. But then maybe it's just honest, finally - as in, "We have no intention of ever following through on your ship, don't torment yourself." If that's the case I have to thank her for it.

The show overall is patchy lately, but still enjoyable. I'm not sure it's worth watching if Damon/Elena is going to continue to be some kind of amazing, shiny, superfast red herring though.

Sometimes I wonder whether Julie thinks that all the hate she gets from Damon/Elena fans means that Damon/Elena fans are horrible people. There are a lot of us who have been incredibly supportive of the show and had a heap of (misplaced) faith in the writing team. If a group of fans feel like they've been strung along by your show, you should listen and care - not just dismiss them as idiotic shippers.
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 12th, 2012 01:49 am (UTC)
If she thinks that about D/E fans, then she should think the same about S/E fans because they send as much hate, death threats, attacks, etc. The only difference is that when D/Ers do it, she gets pissy and bitchy at them. When S/Ers do it, she essentially tells them they'll be sorry that they were mean to her later because their turn is coming, just be patient.

But then maybe it's just honest, finally - as in, "We have no intention of ever following through on your ship, don't torment yourself." If that's the case I have to thank her for it.

Yeah, I guess. And in return, every D/E fan should make sure everyone that watches knows she said this, especially anyone with a Nielson box, so they can ... stop watching.

ETA again -- nope, it apparently WAS about D/E specifically.

I think that was taken from my tweet. I was live tweeting her interview.

She was responding to this question:

What do you want to say to Damon/Elena fans who feel let down after investing 3 years into this show (paraphrasing)

She actually seemed to be searching for words a bit. She gave a very long answer on how we should watch for the whole show, it's all a journey yada yada and how we should watch it for the entore show. And we are watching for Damon and Elena alone we should stop. *facepalm* She also made a remark about if we quit she'd laugh because why would we want to watch three years and quit just as we might be getting what we want maybe in the next couple of years. That she was never so invested in couples and even if she didn't get what she wanted she still watched for the show..

Anyway. Here is the link you can listen to it yourself

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/vampradio/2012/05/12/julie-plec-may-11th-2012-interview</a>


Edited at 2012-05-12 03:15 am (UTC)
Sar: Damon Likes Underwearpaceisthetrick on May 12th, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
I just signed on to Lj to share this with you and looks like you already found it.
emiv: begins | not a copemiv on May 12th, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
She really said that? Oh my word.

From a completely objective, non-shipper perspective, that is thoroughly jack-ed up.

It doesn't matter why fans are watching your show; that's not your call. I could be watching it just for Caroline's hair or Klaus tempter-tantrums. But to say something like that? Telling fans to stop watching your show if they don't like the lack of a certain pairing? How juvenile. Really, she is like a twelve-year-old. Just wow. Such disrespect to the fanbase.

I am kind of hoping for a ratings bomb now, just to get the message across to her that you really can't jerk your fanbase around for three years without consequences.

I think she is missing the point that most of the D/E issues aren't just that fans want two characters together, but that so much of the narrative since day one has pointed to D/E, teased it and implied it to the point that to continue jerking us around without any real payoff is plain irresponsible.

We are not asking for fan service. We are asking for storytelling with integrity. This is something she and the others writers of this show clearly lack. And one reason why my heart jut hasn't be in it for several months now.
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
ETA again -- nope, it apparently WAS about D/E specifically.

I think that was taken from my tweet. I was live tweeting her interview.

She was responding to this question:

What do you want to say to Damon/Elena fans who feel let down after investing 3 years into this show (paraphrasing)

She actually seemed to be searching for words a bit. She gave a very long answer on how we should watch for the whole show, it's all a journey yada yada and how we should watch it for the entore show. And we are watching for Damon and Elena alone we should stop. *facepalm* She also made a remark about if we quit she'd laugh because why would we want to watch three years and quit just as we might be getting what we want maybe in the next couple of years. That she was never so invested in couples and even if she didn't get what she wanted she still watched for the show..

Anyway. Here is the link you can listen to it yourself

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/vampradio/2012/05/12/julie-plec-may-11th-2012-interview</a>

Still, she's said so much other stuff that flies in the face of everything I thought that was happening.


Edited at 2012-05-12 03:15 am (UTC)
(no subject) - emiv on May 12th, 2012 04:39 am (UTC) (Expand)
Diana: Vampire Diaries - What? (Stefan)butterfly on May 12th, 2012 01:56 am (UTC)
Wow.

That's... blunt. And, you know, if she felt that way, then I wish she'd said it a year ago. Two years ago. Or after the Miss Mystic Falls dance, maybe.

You said that you're looking for the source right now? I'm definitely interested to see if there's any potential context for that. I don't know how there could be any that would mitigate it but... the possibility exists. Remotely.

ETA: In related news, The Secret Circle was canceled.

Edited at 2012-05-12 01:57 am (UTC)
Aly J.: TVD -- Rebekah (2)simply_aly on May 12th, 2012 02:03 am (UTC)
Playing devil's advocate here: If she said that about Stelena, would you be as pissed?

I feel she's just saying if you care just about [ship] and don't really love the show as a whole, then maybe you shouldn't watch. It's not about just that.
Sar: OT3!!!paceisthetrick on May 12th, 2012 02:09 am (UTC)
She did mention SE as well, actually. That you shouldn't watch for SE either.

My point is I don't think a producer should tell you "how" to watch a show. It's rude. Fans should be allowed to watch any way we want. It's our experience as viewers.

ALSO Julie heavily talks about the triangle in all of her interviews. She makes us care about the triangle. And now we're not supposed to? That's a bunch of mix signals. I'm not the only fan that believes JP often contradicts herself.
(no subject) - arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:01 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on May 12th, 2012 02:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
Sarpaceisthetrick on May 12th, 2012 02:12 am (UTC)
"No one is asking for the show to be retitled "The DE Diaries". We are asking for what we were promised; consistent storytelling and pay-off." Completely agree with my friend.
Larissa: D/R JE Ten II/Rose B/W Kiss and Profilelarissa_j on May 12th, 2012 02:18 am (UTC)
In a way, I'm sort of grateful that she said it because now I can walk way and know that I'm not missing anything. There won't be any Delenna moments where they reconcile and she wises up with regard to Stefan. It's done. I'm done.

I can move on and devote myself to other activities. In a way, I wish more shows were honest in this matter.

Sure it sucks but how much longer were you willing to have them string you along and how much longer were you willing to watch the ridiculousness of Stefan and Elena while she tortured Damon? I mean, three seasons of bull was enough, wasn't it?

Eh, it's just not worth it.
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Kissarabian on May 12th, 2012 03:02 am (UTC)
Aww, I didn't even realize you watched it.

ETA again -- nope, it apparently WAS about D/E specifically.

I think that was taken from my tweet. I was live tweeting her interview.

She was responding to this question:

What do you want to say to Damon/Elena fans who feel let down after investing 3 years into this show (paraphrasing)

She actually seemed to be searching for words a bit. She gave a very long answer on how we should watch for the whole show, it's all a journey yada yada and how we should watch it for the entore show. And we are watching for Damon and Elena alone we should stop. *facepalm* She also made a remark about if we quit she'd laugh because why would we want to watch three years and quit just as we might be getting what we want maybe in the next couple of years. That she was never so invested in couples and even if she didn't get what she wanted she still watched for the show..

Anyway. Here is the link you can listen to it yourself

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/vampradio/2012/05/12/julie-plec-may-11th-2012-interview</a>


Edited at 2012-05-12 03:16 am (UTC)
(no subject) - sillyforwords on May 12th, 2012 03:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
shipperjunkieshipperjunkie on May 12th, 2012 02:42 am (UTC)
I think the comment is being blown out of proportion. She said if you watch for Damon and Elena as a couple, then you should stop. They might happen eventually. Which is exactly what she could have said after last year's finale regarding Stefan and Elena as a couple. She wants people to not just watch for one side of a triangle, or forget about the rest of the cast. I don't know.

Now, I'm upset and heartbroken about the episode and what happened and Julie pisses me off. But she's said so much other heartening stuff in other interviews today. I don't expect Damon and Elena to get together for at least a season. I think they're going to have moments every few episodes, like in Season Two.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:04 am (UTC)
It's still incredibly stupid. ETA again -- nope, it apparently WAS about D/E specifically.

I think that was taken from my tweet. I was live tweeting her interview.

She was responding to this question:

What do you want to say to Damon/Elena fans who feel let down after investing 3 years into this show (paraphrasing)

She actually seemed to be searching for words a bit. She gave a very long answer on how we should watch for the whole show, it's all a journey yada yada and how we should watch it for the entore show. And we are watching for Damon and Elena alone we should stop. *facepalm* She also made a remark about if we quit she'd laugh because why would we want to watch three years and quit just as we might be getting what we want maybe in the next couple of years. That she was never so invested in couples and even if she didn't get what she wanted she still watched for the show..

Anyway. Here is the link you can listen to it yourself

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/vampradio/2012/05/12/julie-plec-may-11th-2012-interview</a>

she's said so much other heartening stuff in other interviews today

Everything I've read (i've read three so far) have made it clear that I've been watching the show all wrong. I've found nothing but further devastation from her interviews.


Edited at 2012-05-12 03:16 am (UTC)
(no subject) - shipperjunkie on May 12th, 2012 03:17 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:37 am (UTC) (Expand)
Mitten: vampire diaries2sugarsyringe on May 12th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
Wow Julie. I believe that I'm a big girl and I can decide how I'm going to watch a show and if I'm going to ship a couple of not.

She should have kept that for herself, tbh.
Arabian: Katherine05arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
ETA again -- nope, it apparently WAS about D/E specifically.

I think that was taken from my tweet. I was live tweeting her interview.

She was responding to this question:

What do you want to say to Damon/Elena fans who feel let down after investing 3 years into this show (paraphrasing)

She actually seemed to be searching for words a bit. She gave a very long answer on how we should watch for the whole show, it's all a journey yada yada and how we should watch it for the entore show. And we are watching for Damon and Elena alone we should stop. *facepalm* She also made a remark about if we quit she'd laugh because why would we want to watch three years and quit just as we might be getting what we want maybe in the next couple of years. That she was never so invested in couples and even if she didn't get what she wanted she still watched for the show..

Anyway. Here is the link you can listen to it yourself

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/vampradio/2012/05/12/julie-plec-may-11th-2012-interview</a>


Edited at 2012-05-12 03:14 am (UTC)
(no subject) - sugarsyringe on May 12th, 2012 03:18 am (UTC) (Expand)
sillyforwordssillyforwords on May 12th, 2012 03:16 am (UTC)
Okay, I tried to post the link to the interview but it's marking my post as spam when I do that, I think?

Anyway, that looks like my tweet..I live tweeted while listening and it's paraphrased, basically. So let me give the context.

The question was: What would you say to the Damon/Elena fans who have been waiting for them to get together only to be shot down.

She basically gave a long answer saying it's complicated, Elena right now loves Stefan more than Damon but this is only a moment in the long journey. We should watch for the journey. She was upset to read tweets saying they're quitting because they're done with the show. She thinks it's silly to put in three years and quit just as things might be getting good over the next couple of years. That's when she said if we love the show we should keep watching, and I quote "but if you are watching just for Damon and Elena, you should probably stop because they are not going to happen in episode 1 of next season. They might happen eventually"...but it's all an exploration, it's like life yada yada..you get the drift
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:29 am (UTC)
Weird. Hmm .... I did get your original comment in my inbox and really? I'm agog! Based on your initial wording --

I can't get over how HORRIBLE this is. I'm literally laughing here, it's so bad. It's like the worst answer EVER that a showrunner has given like EVER!

1. If we're watching for Damon/Elena, stop watching
2. She'd LAUGH if we quit
3. Because we MIGHT
4. get what we want MAYBE
5. in a COUPLE OF YEARS

Really?!?! I mean REALLY!?!?!?!??!

She'd LAUGH if we quit watching her show?! We MIGHT MAYBE get it?!? In a couple of YEARS?!?!

REALLY!?!?!?!??!
(no subject) - sillyforwords on May 12th, 2012 03:32 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on May 12th, 2012 03:46 am (UTC) (Expand)
k_stjamesk_stjames on May 12th, 2012 03:58 am (UTC)
Quotes like that make me realize that the writers are so caught up in therir own press and percieved awesomeness that they've lost sight of the poeple that have made then successful. I've adored many shows and it's mostly been about parts of a show never about the whole thing because no show is perfect and clearly she's not listening to her inner fan. Just wrong.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)01arabian on May 12th, 2012 04:06 am (UTC)
I have to fix that edit. It actually didn't reference S/E at all. Here's the full quote and it's not AS bad, and she's clearly not trying to tell D/E fans to take a hike, but yeah, she needs to stop talking. Her form of damage control is like the worst ever.

Quote: Ohhh, gosh. Well, you know, I feel like if I was watching that episode and analyzing it and paying attention to it that there is a lot more in there that is much more complicated than just a simple 'Damon got rejected.' Because, in my opinion, that's not what really happened at all. Yes, in this moment she had to say who do I give the goodbye to, who do I love more, it's Stefan, because it's been Stefan for her, but that's just a moment, you know, it's just a moment, a moment in an episode that is about so much more, in a show that is about so much more in a season that's been about so much more. And to me, it's almost in a beautiful way kind of negated, that little moment, by the flashback. Where we just say hey, you know what? There's so much more to this relationship than even Elena knows or that our audience knew, so it just opens the door for continued exploration. Which is life, you know? That's what life is. This show is not cut and dried, it's not the Stefan Elena Show, it's not the Damon Elena Show, it's a show about people and feelings and growth and it's a journey and so I personally it makes me sad to see people responding with oh this is it we're done with the show because I feel like that's silly, why did you stay in all this time just to miss out on probably the best parts over the next couple of years. I don't in my life ever remember - I'm dying for couples to get together and love stories to be told and I loved watching the journey so much it never ruined the show for me when the journey took a different path because I knew the path would continue. So I would say, if you love the show, keep watching the show because these characters are just in the middle of their journey. If you only like the show to see Damon and Elena as a couple, then you should probably stop because it's not going to happen in episode one of next year. It may happen eventually but it's all part of a very long and hopefully beautiful road.

So, yeah, it's better, but still pretty damn bad. I get what she's saying, but she's handling this SO horribly. To say it's silly to stop watching even though we've gotten our teeth kicked in as a fanbase continuously, to say that it's silly because we "probably" will get good stuff in a few years, to liken our issue with a simple 'Damon got rejected' as opposed to the fact that it's that Damon got rejected AGAIN ... all of it, is just so badly spoken.

And the big problem is that, yes, this IS the Stefan/Elena show. When you sell it on a triangle, and one-half is the couple for two of the first three years, and with a slight detour in the third year that hinted at exploration of the other before dovetailing in that first couple, and then you're told that the fourth season will feature that first couple again -- it IS that couple's show. Without ever acknowledging that, she's just making it clear that SHE DOES NOT GET IT.
archangel_blood: WTFarchangel_blood on May 12th, 2012 11:35 am (UTC)
JFC. Hey, Julie?

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A lurking goblin marionette: ad: come ondanceinacircle on May 12th, 2012 12:24 pm (UTC)
You know I love you girl, but I think you're exactly the type of fan she wants to stop watching, because you take everything she says and twists it into this horrible "I'M NEVER GETTING WHAT I WANT" attitude. I want Damon and Elena to hook up every bit as badly as you do, but I like the slow burn, I like the consistent returning to Stefan, and I like the constant breaking of Damon's heart. To me, it's extremely accurate to how a high school girl acts around the first love of her life, and how she acts when she's conflicted. Quit giving Elena so much credit - she's still a dumbass high school girl.

Julie never says anything about Damon and Elena never happening, she consistently says the opposite, and there's subtext in every single quote. Focusing on Stefan and Elena in the beginning of the show is NOT saying that Stefan and Elena are the main couple that will always be together forever, it's letting the first love/high school relationship run its course so that she can grow up enough to let him go and accept the adult relationship. Your problem, and the problem I've seen with a lot of Delena fans, is that everyone expects this girl who is still in high school to have done that already, when it's likely to take a few more years. After this transition, Elena is going to remember all that Damon compelled her to forget, and it's going to seriously alter her view of both Damon and Stefan. Now that she's a vampire, everything in the final episode is basically out the window. It is amazing and fantastic.

I'm with Julie - if you can't appreciate what she's building, you should stop watching. If you stop watching because of this, I'll laugh too. She gave a real-person response to a question, as opposed to a scripted response, and it IS A GOOD THING FOR DELENA.
Arabianarabian on May 12th, 2012 01:19 pm (UTC)
You know I love you girl, but I think you're exactly the type of fan she wants to stop watching, because you take everything she says and twists it into this horrible "I'M NEVER GETTING WHAT I WANT" attitude.

No, I'm not. If that was the case, I would have been bitching about the show non-stop in season 02 and the second half of season 03. Instead, I continued to sing it's praises NONSTOP. I defended the show non-stop. I defended why Elena kept hanging onto Stefan, because it made sense character-wise. My issue isn't that D/E are not together, my issue is that they set up the expectation for Elena to choose him most of this season (hell, even the first half of this episode pointed to it) -- there was a reason most people when polled thought she would choose Damon -- and then subverted it without explaining why. And I'm upset that Stefan has suffered no repercussions from his actions. And I'm upset that Elena has completely regressed. And I'm upset that Damon will NEVER be chosen when Elena is human. And I'm upset that Stefan/Elena got two years, a strong thread running through a third year, ending on them, and now we're flat-out told she'll be with him in a FOURTH year. That is an incredibly unfair imbalance.

.Julie never says anything about Damon and Elena never happening

And I said that her full response makes it clear to me that D/E are endgame. So before you come in here telling me what a horrible fan I am, please read my full post.

Your problem, and the problem I've seen with a lot of Delena fans, is that everyone expects this girl who is still in high school to have done that already, when it's likely to take a few more years

No, MY problem is that Elena will NEVER choose Damon as a human. MY problem is that Stefan is not getting any fallout from all he did. MY problem is that my favorite character continues to get kicked in the teeth. MY problem is that Elena has completely regressed. Do not come in here and tell me what MY problem is when you clearly have not been paying an iota attention to my posts about this, and certainly not this one.

If you stop watching because of this, I'll laugh too.

Again, READ MY POSTS! I never said I would stop watching. I said I would stop uber-critifcal-stanning because there is no follow-through.

ETA: I'm trying really hard here to not be a pissy bitch, but your post here really, really did a nice job of kicking me when I'm down. Honestly, how could you come here and equate me with the D/E fans who whine and bitch just because their couple isn't together? I have legitimate complaints based on expectations the show set up and then failed to see through. And yet I NEVER said I would quit watching. Not once. And you come here and accuse me of being the kind of fan who doesn't love the show, who hasn't defended it, who is throwing a fit because my couple isn't together? How could you read any of my posts over the last two years and take that from my responses here? God, you didn't even read my fucking comments.

I actually wrote above: I get what she's saying, but she's handling this SO horribly. JFC, read what someone actually wrote before you come in and bash a person.

Edited at 2012-05-12 01:23 pm (UTC)