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01 April 2012 @ 10:19 pm
Oh, I dunno ...  
I'm back to being pessimistic about The Vampire Diaries.

Apparently previous spoilers are wrong, and not only do S/E dance (which, yeah I did already know) in 3.20, it's apparently not a big D/E episode, but rather a BIG S/E episode. And I just -- I can't wrap my brain around Elena being with this guy after what he did on the bridge. I know, I know, what Damon did to Jeremy -- but that wasn't personal, that wasn't after she'd fallen in love with Damon, that wasn't after they'd been together. It was PERSONAL what Stefan did. And she and Stefan are going to dance, and have sweet, wonderful moments and get all close and intimate. Sure whatever happens with D/E in 3.19 is supposed to count, but when have Damon/Elena EVER gotten balance on this show? Uhm, never. So I'm not holding my breath here.

And now I'm back to thinking that Elena's going to either choose Stefan or choose neither one of them at the end of the season, kicking Damon (and the D/E shippers in the gut YET AGAIN!). I don't know how much more I can take of this ripping apart my shipper heart and I ADORE this show. There are so many D/E fans out there who don't even like the show anymore. No wonder the ratings are tanking. I'm sorry, but they were hitting the mid-to-higher two million viewers in the second half of season 02. Then the finale promised Damon/Elena. The first half of season two started to rise from those mid-to-higher two million to between three and mid-three million again. And other than 3.10 (where Damon/Elena kissed), there's been nothing but crumbs with them this second half and the ratings are falling back into the mid-to-higher two millions, with the last episode actually dipping below 2.5 (a 2.44). What is it going to take to wake them up to the fact that lack of Damon/Elena is HURTING the ratings.

There is no way you're not going to tell me there isn't some sort of connection here. Especially when Damon/Elena sweep every couple poll over Stefan/Elena, not to mention all of the buzz, talk, everywhere about them. The fandom is NOT evenly split, not by a long shot and because of that I can't honestly even understand the show being so determined to give both couples a fair shake more or less this season. And even if I could for that reason, it still wouldn't mesh because the first two seasons were NON-STOP STEFAN/ELENA! We're at the end of season 03 and Damon/Elena have YET to have even remotely as much good stuff as S/E.

And I'm whining, but I can't help it. IT'S NOT FAIR!

And damnit! One more rant. I'm fucking sick and tired of the lack of Damon-love on the show. Everyone treats him like crap. And he doesn't deserve it. Not now. Not when everyone else gets sunshine blown up their ass and forgiveness with a bouquet for any bad thing they do or it's flat-out ignored (paging Stefan!). But Damon?! He's still gets treated like crap for stuff he did in the first season and first episode of season 02, never mind EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY THING he's done good since then. What? Because he's snarky? Why shouldn't he be? Everyone treats him like crap.

GAH!
 
 
 
Arabian: Damon04arabian on April 3rd, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
Part 3 of 3 (HUZZAH!) --

I think this season doesn't feel cohesive generally speaking.

I think it does actually, but that totally could be just how I've been viewing it. I just know that when I sit down and watches batches of the episodes (during the hiatus) at a time, there is a clear narrative flow that isn't as obvious when watching it episode from episode with a week in between.

The whole Sage story for example felt like such a waste. The only purpose it served was to show the consequences of killing an original but that could've been done easily with a character like Troy. She was supposed to mean something to Damon, but she didn't, not really, to the point we're not even shown his reaction to her death (remember Lexi's death after just one episode?).

That I do agree with. I think they should have introduced her earlier, and truly made it about her teaching Damon. THen giving us Finn's point of view or something about her (they did the beautiful Stefan/Rebekah love story in one episode, they could have done the same for Sage/Finn). THEN have the brother's episode bringing Sage back into it. Ah well.

Basically I feel like the general idea is still great TVD but the execution is severely flawed.

I think it has some flaws, but I wouldn't go that far. (But you do know how insanely this show's bitch I am, LOL!)

Ric's ring plotline -even though I really loved the twist- was too subtly foreshadowed to make sense for the casual viewer.

I don't agree with that because it has been a continued remarked upon aspect of the Ric/Damon relationship. Like with the sun-and-moon curse they just took their time letting it happen.

Elena and Damon pulling away from each other after the kiss makes a lot of sense from a narrative POV but the execution makes Elena look like she doesn't give a damn about Damon.

I really think that comes from the Damon-stan point of view. I really, really do. The fact that Damon has been pushing her away and deliberately being a jerky-boy for reasons that she can't fathom, yet she tried to reach him still in 3.15, talked about her feelings for him in 3.16, and was worried about him in 3.18, shows how much she does care. Damon has been the jerk to her first, she's just responding to his attitude. Why does she always have to be the bigger person who has to call Damon out (and forgive him) when he's being an ass? Why is Elena wrong because she's not correcting his behavior for the gazillionth time, for not repeating the same thing that's clearly fallen on deaf ears? How does this make her the bad guy? Damon is being a jerk to her. In her mind, she said one mean thing to him and despite ALL that she has forgiven him for (and what he's done has been much, much worse), he's done with her for that one comment. He ignored her phone calls, is sleeping around with women who tried to kill her, isn't there offering support of any kind, is back to being a snarky ass who doesn't appear to give a crap about anyone, all of his walls resurrected. Yet she's the bad guy because she's not calling him on HIS bad behavior ... again. Yet, despite that, she's STILL shown that she does care, and it's obvious feelings ARE there going past 3.11.

Would it help if she was articulating this to someone? Absolutely, and I do think that would help tremendously. Unfortunately, there is no one she can talk to, which is part of her problem. She has NO ONE to talk to about this AT ALL. Ric is out, because that would be squicky. Matt is out, because he's her ex, and even then she talked to him a little about it. Stefan is out, because, well, duh, he's Stefan. Bonnie and Caroline are out, because of Caroline's history with him, and because neither girl particularly likes Damon. With Jenna gone, Elena has no one to talk to about him, really talk about him without automatic judgement of NO!BAD!WRONG! (which is why they SHOULD NOT HAVE KILLED OFF JENNA! Ahem.)

I think the signs are there, but yes, they should be giving us a little more, I don't disagree with that. I just have still seen signs that she cares for Damon in every episode except for 3.17. Not obvious ones, but enough for me to still be okay with it. But again, this show's bitch. ;)
vanimy: D/E (s3)vanimy on April 6th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
PART 1 (:o)

That I do agree with. I think they should have introduced her earlier, and truly made it about her teaching Damon. THen giving us Finn's point of view or something about her (they did the beautiful Stefan/Rebekah love story in one episode, they could have done the same for Sage/Finn). THEN have the brother's episode bringing Sage back into it. Ah well.

*nods enthusiastically*

Basically I feel like the general idea is still great TVD but the execution is severely flawed.

I think it has some flaws, but I wouldn't go that far. (But you do know how insanely this show's bitch I am, LOL!)


LOL! 'Severely' may have been a little too harsh indeed. I may rant a lot on this part of the season (I did like episode 16 and 17 though) but that's because I love this show to pieces and want it back to rocking my world.

I don't agree with that because it has been a continued remarked upon aspect of the Ric/Damon relationship. Like with the sun-and-moon curse they just took their time letting it happen.

Again, hard to judge since i'm not a casual viewer but I think a casual viewer probably forgot about Ric's attitude in episode 4, I know I did at first.

Elena and Damon pulling away from each other after the kiss makes a lot of sense from a narrative POV but the execution makes Elena look like she doesn't give a damn about Damon.

I really think that comes from the Damon-stan point of view. I really, really do. The fact that Damon has been pushing her away and deliberately being a jerky-boy for reasons that she can't fathom, yet she tried to reach him still in 3.15, talked about her feelings for him in 3.16, and was worried about him in 3.18, shows how much she does care. Damon has been the jerk to her first, she's just responding to his attitude.


Again, I understand all this when YOU put it that way but on screen it's different because it hasn't been explicitly shown. So far the only one we've seen suffer in this relationship (this season) is Damon. I think that even as a non Damon fan it's normal to empathize with the person who gets hurt. Elena's feelings have been hard to pinpoint these past episodes.

vanimyvanimy on April 6th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
PART 2

What doesn't work for me here is one simple thing actually.

Elena didn't try to really reach out to him once since DL, hasn't looked at him with any warmth in her eyes whatsoever since episode 12.

In episode 15 yes, she called him and then told him to 'get over it'. Even if I'm no longer mad at her for that it still surprised a lot of people. Elena is compassionate, that's one quality EVERYONE always talks about in the show and it's been demonstrated again and again. Yet when she hurts Damon (and she knows how much words affect him, she knows it!) and she even sees how much it affected him (her witnessing him going after Kol and making a remark to her that shows her words hit him, her telling Stefan Damon's acting all self-destructive) she does nothing. She doesn't go to him that very night ; the next morning when he's just being his usual sarcastic self ('Sorry I've been busy' even with all the Damon sarcasm is hardly an insult) she tells him to get over it. In episode 16 she tells him he needs to stop pushing people away but it sounded a little condescendant to me and not warm at all.

So this all feels like it's not in character for Elena to react like that. I would've liked it better if she had tried to tell Damon she was sorry for telling him this and HE had kept being a jerk.

It would also work if Elena didn't really know Damon. but she does know him. She always has even in season 1 when he was acting like a monster, she got where he was coming from. She's the girl who's always been trying to reach out to him even when they were estranged (and he deserved it then). She's always been able to reach through his walls and see past the snark. Suddenly she can't anymore? After all they've been through in this season? Doesn't make sense.

Again, it would have worked for me if she had tried just once to get through to him and he pushed her away but she never TRIED. And i don't count her very feeble 'No that's not what I-' in DL because even though Damon cut her off he didn't turn away and left her there she could've tried to say something else but she didn't. She could've tried to catch up to him when he left the party but she didn't.

Would it help if she was articulating this to someone? Absolutely, and I do think that would help tremendously. Unfortunately, there is no one she can talk to, which is part of her problem. She has NO ONE to talk to about this AT ALL. Ric is out, because that would be squicky. Matt is out, because he's her ex, and even then she talked to him a little about it. Stefan is out, because, well, duh, he's Stefan. Bonnie and Caroline are out, because of Caroline's history with him, and because neither girl particularly likes Damon. With Jenna gone, Elena has no one to talk to about him, really talk about him without automatic judgement of NO!BAD!WRONG! (which is why they SHOULD NOT HAVE KILLED OFF JENNA! Ahem.)

Agreed!!

But again, this show's bitch. ;)

Heh.