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01 April 2012 @ 10:19 pm
Oh, I dunno ...  
I'm back to being pessimistic about The Vampire Diaries.

Apparently previous spoilers are wrong, and not only do S/E dance (which, yeah I did already know) in 3.20, it's apparently not a big D/E episode, but rather a BIG S/E episode. And I just -- I can't wrap my brain around Elena being with this guy after what he did on the bridge. I know, I know, what Damon did to Jeremy -- but that wasn't personal, that wasn't after she'd fallen in love with Damon, that wasn't after they'd been together. It was PERSONAL what Stefan did. And she and Stefan are going to dance, and have sweet, wonderful moments and get all close and intimate. Sure whatever happens with D/E in 3.19 is supposed to count, but when have Damon/Elena EVER gotten balance on this show? Uhm, never. So I'm not holding my breath here.

And now I'm back to thinking that Elena's going to either choose Stefan or choose neither one of them at the end of the season, kicking Damon (and the D/E shippers in the gut YET AGAIN!). I don't know how much more I can take of this ripping apart my shipper heart and I ADORE this show. There are so many D/E fans out there who don't even like the show anymore. No wonder the ratings are tanking. I'm sorry, but they were hitting the mid-to-higher two million viewers in the second half of season 02. Then the finale promised Damon/Elena. The first half of season two started to rise from those mid-to-higher two million to between three and mid-three million again. And other than 3.10 (where Damon/Elena kissed), there's been nothing but crumbs with them this second half and the ratings are falling back into the mid-to-higher two millions, with the last episode actually dipping below 2.5 (a 2.44). What is it going to take to wake them up to the fact that lack of Damon/Elena is HURTING the ratings.

There is no way you're not going to tell me there isn't some sort of connection here. Especially when Damon/Elena sweep every couple poll over Stefan/Elena, not to mention all of the buzz, talk, everywhere about them. The fandom is NOT evenly split, not by a long shot and because of that I can't honestly even understand the show being so determined to give both couples a fair shake more or less this season. And even if I could for that reason, it still wouldn't mesh because the first two seasons were NON-STOP STEFAN/ELENA! We're at the end of season 03 and Damon/Elena have YET to have even remotely as much good stuff as S/E.

And I'm whining, but I can't help it. IT'S NOT FAIR!

And damnit! One more rant. I'm fucking sick and tired of the lack of Damon-love on the show. Everyone treats him like crap. And he doesn't deserve it. Not now. Not when everyone else gets sunshine blown up their ass and forgiveness with a bouquet for any bad thing they do or it's flat-out ignored (paging Stefan!). But Damon?! He's still gets treated like crap for stuff he did in the first season and first episode of season 02, never mind EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY THING he's done good since then. What? Because he's snarky? Why shouldn't he be? Everyone treats him like crap.

GAH!
 
 
 
wickedrumwickedrum on April 2nd, 2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
I dont see how people who bail on a show for any reason consider themselves fans at all. What it proves to me that they aren't and they never really were. This outburst of mine is excusively directed at shipppers who have made checking up on and talking about the show sour on any website. ("Im gonna stop watching the show bla bla bla", pointing fingers at the other group of fans, how many times did I hear that!)

Why cant everyone just sit back and enjoy the ride? I think my mind is starting to explode at the pure mention of shippers any minute now.
Arabian: TVD-Cast01arabian on April 2nd, 2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
I dont see how people who bail on a show for any reason consider themselves fans at all.

Because they aren't fans of the show, they are fans of the couple, and there's nothing wrong with that. Shippers get a bad rep because they are loyal to their couple, and yes, there are some crazies out there, but that's true of any fan(atic). There are crazy fans of characters and shows who are looney-tunes, but for some reason that just gets thrown at the shippers only.

Why cant everyone just sit back and enjoy the ride?

Because not everyone enjoys the ride. Some people just enjoy aspects of the ride. I tend to try and enjoy all parts of a show, and when it gets to the point that it's JUST the couple I enjoy, I stop talking about the show period. And when the couple is no longer enjoyable due to show shenanigans about the couple, I stop watching the show. Yes, some people are FREAKING annoying about, but it's not just shippers. Shippers just get the brunt of it. As annoying are people who go on tirades and rants about shippers ruining the show (I'm not saying you are doing that at all, I'm talking about people who really rag and rip a show apart BECAUSE of shipping and blame everything they don't like on the show on the shippers). I just don't think it's right to blame one subset of fandom and label them as the crazy ones when there are anti-shippers and fans of a particular character/actor who can and are just as crazy, if not more than shippers. There aren't crazy shippers; there are crazy fans. Some are shippers. Some are anti-shippers. Some are crazy fans of another aspect of the show, but only shippers get the (negative) media attention, and thus their crazy is more spotlighted upon in fandom.

This outburst of mine is excusively directed at shipppers who have made checking up on and talking about the show sour on any website.

That I can see and agree with, but again, for me it's not just shippers who do that. There are fanatical fans of Damon/Ian who make it so not fun to go to certain places because everyone else (Elena, Stefan, etc.) suck because they don't worship at the ground of Damon. And I can no longer go to places that act like Damon is the evil and devil incarnate and rant and rave how horrible the show is because of him. And there are places where people act like Stefan is the most perfect of all creatures and anyone who doesn't see that is watching the show wrong. However, if you're talking about the place we both frequent, the shippers and Damon-stans do that for me to the point where I can barely stand to read it anymore.

I think legitimate criticism is fair and valid -- as I do think my criticism in this post is (D/E do deserve some balance, Damon does deserve to get some consideration by now) -- but the rantings with little logic or attention paid to the actual constructs and reality of the show, but solely about their frustration regarding a specific couple or character, is very frustrating. To that I agree completely.

(BTW: If you want to respond to this comment specifically click on the reply button under here, not on the post new comment. That starts a new thread. :)

Edited at 2012-04-02 06:38 pm (UTC)
wickedrumwickedrum on April 2nd, 2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
sorry Im not very versed at how to post on LJ. Ive been on it for a long time, but I mostly just read.

The place you and I both frequent regularly goes overboard thinking about the show from one pov and one pov only and it distorts their reality. That is why I keep visiting "the opposition" where I hear the exact opposite, but at least I can stay balanced..Personally, its the shippers that annoy me most and it goes beyond how the show itself leaves me unsatisfied at times. For ex, I really enjoyed the last couple of episodes and I go around and see negative opinions all around. Cause of course, no satisfactory Delena!

I get your point, the DEfanbase is huge and for the show to keep being successful the writers should try to please them at a greater level, but all this should not be at all necessary if not for the existence of this "cray-cray" as SEers call it.
Arabian: Ian & Nina11arabian on April 3rd, 2012 01:14 am (UTC)
sorry Im not very versed at how to post on LJ. Ive been on it for a long time, but I mostly just read.

No biggie, that's what I figured. It's just easier to keep track of what you're responding to this way. :)

The place you and I both frequent regularly goes overboard thinking about the show from one pov and one pov only and it distorts their reality.

That's a very good way of putting it. :)

That is why I keep visiting "the opposition" where I hear the exact opposite, but at least I can stay balanced..

LOL! Yeah, it's balanced, but it's balanced from severe perspectives, sigh. I really do try to NOT be scary-shipper obsessed, but sometimes it gets the best of me, see this post! LOL!

Personally, its the shippers that annoy me most and it goes beyond how the show itself leaves me unsatisfied at times.

For me, it's the character-stans. Not just Damon, but Stefan and Caroline stans as well. (Those are the main three that drive me mad!!)

I really enjoyed the last couple of episodes and I go around and see negative opinions all around. Cause of course, no satisfactory Delena!

Yeah, I've actually REALLY enjoyed every episode this season except for 4 and 12. And I thought that 15, 16 and 17 were pretty dang awesome, especially 15 and 16. But, you're right, go into specific parts and it's a terrible episode because D/E weren't all sunshine and flowers, never mind that it makes NO SENSE for them to be so right now. *sigh*

I get your point, the DEfanbase is huge and for the show to keep being successful the writers should try to please them at a greater level, but all this should not be at all necessary if not for the existence of this "cray-cray" as SEers call it.

But, the S/Ers have their own brand of cray-cray, and the Damon-stans, and the Stefan-stans, etc. have their own brand of cray-cray. It's not just shippers because I know absolutely that most cray-cray fans in the shipper world are actually fans of a specific character (generally Damon or Stefan) and the only reason they are so the way they are about the couple is because it's what Damon/Stefan wants, therefore they root for what that character wants. I'm not saying there aren't cray-cray shippers, but there are just as many character-stans who fit that description as well. For instance, there's a reason that you won't find the crazy of the D/E shipper for the most part on a place devoted to Nina, because she's got two viable options on the show, so they basically do just cheer for their pairing. The same can't be said for any place devoted to Ian, and probably Paul too (I like the actor enough, but not enough to go visits sites/forums for him). Were Damon/Stefan to decide they are done with Elena for real and another, true love interest that the character TRULY loves and wants came along, trust me, a lot of the cray-cray shippers for D/E or S/E will jump ship to D/?, S/?. It's all about their guy. That's just how it is.
wickedrumwickedrum on April 3rd, 2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
yes, character stans can be very annoying too. It continues to amaze me how many different angles people can see the same scene from. I dont remember ever being in a fandom that had such fierceful and as many opposing circles. It puzzles me. I could always accept many ships, like I went with BA as I loved Angel and I went with BS as I loved Spike. But even seeing others disagree, it didnt feel like it got to the same magnitude as with TVD.

I think the last few weeks will serve for me as a lesson to learn there are certain places I should stay away from, just like you and many others do for the sake of their sanity and to avoid second hand embarassement.
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on April 2nd, 2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
I'm right there with you with the puzzlement and I've been hanging around shippers of varying stripes for years.

People might want to watch for only one element of the show and they are welcome to do that (and I do it myself sometimes even though I'm not a shipper, I did mainly watch Buffy for Spike and my main interest in TVD is Damon by far but that doesn't stop me enjoying the rest of the show), but I think that's path to madness personally because the story will rarely turn out the way they want it (and in a lot of cases, a good thing too). Shipping imo often just seems to lead to feelings of entitlement, shipper wars and emnity for years to come.

That's not to say there aren't loads of rational shippers.
Arabian: Damon15arabian on April 3rd, 2012 01:22 am (UTC)
I'm right there with you with the puzzlement and I've been hanging around shippers of varying stripes for years.

It just goes down to the fact that some people are more couple-based when they watch a show, and if they find themselves enjoying nothing about the show BUT that couple, why bother watching if they aren't getting enjoyment from watching their couple anymore? Life is short, why spend it on something you don't enjoy?

People might want to watch for only one element of the show and they are welcome to do that (and I do it myself sometimes even though I'm not a shipper, I did mainly watch Buffy for Spike and my main interest in TVD is Damon by far but that doesn't stop me enjoying the rest of the show)

That's my point, though, if they aren't enjoying the rest of the show, that's when it does become JUST about the couple (or character). For instance, I watch True Blood and sorta enjoyed the show overall the first few seasons, but shortly after that I began to think the whole show was crap, but I still like Eric/Sookie so I watch their scenes, but I find the rest of the show practically unwatchable, so I don't watch that part of it.

I think that's path to madness personally because the story will rarely turn out the way they want it (and in a lot of cases, a good thing too).

Very much agreed. I ship wildly, but I *try* to keep an even head about it and realize that they are telling their story and I'm just along for the ride. I fall into depressing bouts of shipper-depression (see this post), but I generally snap out of them pretty quickly. And when I find that I really don't like the direction they're going or that I read the intention wrong (and I'm happy to say that I've actually only been wrong once in television viewing about what direction I saw, even if it was bumpy and painful at points along the way because I DO try and pay attention to the bigger picture), I do stop watching because ...

Shipping imo often just seems to lead to feelings of entitlement, shipper wars and emnity for years to come.

Yup, and I do not want any part of that. I think D/E should happen because of the narrative flow that logically appears to go that way, but I certainly don't think it's owed to me. I do think that a writer should tell their story, however, they DO have to think of their audience and when the majority feels a certain way, they should acknowledge that and see if they can fit into the story. And if I'm not a part of that majority, I either deal -- if I enjoy the show overall -- or step away. Cuz it's just not worth getting upset over.

That's not to say there aren't loads of rational shippers.

There are, and I'm happy to say that I think I have quite a few on my flist because I try and make friends with people who care about the whole project, or are going to walk away if they don't without non-stop bitching (I say in a post that's filled with me bitching, but you know that's not my normal mode of operation!). :)