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01 April 2012 @ 10:19 pm
Oh, I dunno ...  
I'm back to being pessimistic about The Vampire Diaries.

Apparently previous spoilers are wrong, and not only do S/E dance (which, yeah I did already know) in 3.20, it's apparently not a big D/E episode, but rather a BIG S/E episode. And I just -- I can't wrap my brain around Elena being with this guy after what he did on the bridge. I know, I know, what Damon did to Jeremy -- but that wasn't personal, that wasn't after she'd fallen in love with Damon, that wasn't after they'd been together. It was PERSONAL what Stefan did. And she and Stefan are going to dance, and have sweet, wonderful moments and get all close and intimate. Sure whatever happens with D/E in 3.19 is supposed to count, but when have Damon/Elena EVER gotten balance on this show? Uhm, never. So I'm not holding my breath here.

And now I'm back to thinking that Elena's going to either choose Stefan or choose neither one of them at the end of the season, kicking Damon (and the D/E shippers in the gut YET AGAIN!). I don't know how much more I can take of this ripping apart my shipper heart and I ADORE this show. There are so many D/E fans out there who don't even like the show anymore. No wonder the ratings are tanking. I'm sorry, but they were hitting the mid-to-higher two million viewers in the second half of season 02. Then the finale promised Damon/Elena. The first half of season two started to rise from those mid-to-higher two million to between three and mid-three million again. And other than 3.10 (where Damon/Elena kissed), there's been nothing but crumbs with them this second half and the ratings are falling back into the mid-to-higher two millions, with the last episode actually dipping below 2.5 (a 2.44). What is it going to take to wake them up to the fact that lack of Damon/Elena is HURTING the ratings.

There is no way you're not going to tell me there isn't some sort of connection here. Especially when Damon/Elena sweep every couple poll over Stefan/Elena, not to mention all of the buzz, talk, everywhere about them. The fandom is NOT evenly split, not by a long shot and because of that I can't honestly even understand the show being so determined to give both couples a fair shake more or less this season. And even if I could for that reason, it still wouldn't mesh because the first two seasons were NON-STOP STEFAN/ELENA! We're at the end of season 03 and Damon/Elena have YET to have even remotely as much good stuff as S/E.

And I'm whining, but I can't help it. IT'S NOT FAIR!

And damnit! One more rant. I'm fucking sick and tired of the lack of Damon-love on the show. Everyone treats him like crap. And he doesn't deserve it. Not now. Not when everyone else gets sunshine blown up their ass and forgiveness with a bouquet for any bad thing they do or it's flat-out ignored (paging Stefan!). But Damon?! He's still gets treated like crap for stuff he did in the first season and first episode of season 02, never mind EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY THING he's done good since then. What? Because he's snarky? Why shouldn't he be? Everyone treats him like crap.

GAH!
 
 
 
flyingfishflyingfish1 on April 2nd, 2012 05:05 am (UTC)
*resurfaces* Sorry for not having commented lately--I've had things to say, just no time to say them! But I particularly wanted to comment on this.

So--I know exactly what you mean! I've been reading spoilers lately and fretting. Elena's still so stuck, emotionally, and there are only four episodes left, and if one of them is a big S/E episode that doesn't leave much time for D/E to gain momentum leading up to the finale. I've started to wonder if she'll just choose neither of them, which wouldn't be too out of the blue if you take into account where her character is right now...

But. I think she's braver than that, you know? I think she'll screw up her courage and confront all her D/E-related issues, and she'll move on from Stefan. Starting with her birthday in the premiere, this season has been about her growing up, changing, becoming an adult, getting stronger and more confident. I think if she were to stay in her holding pattern with Stefan it would defeat all of that. I know that doesn't necessarily mean she'll get together with Damon in the finale, but I can't see her getting back with Stefan long-term. For an episode, maybe, to try it out and see if it still works, but no more.

Besides, a BIG S/E episode doesn't automatically mean a POSITIVE S/E episode... especially given the promo for 3x19, with Elena actually (gasp) bringing up her feelings for Damon TO Damon, and Stefan seeming resigned to the fact that she's in love with him and that he shouldn't/can't try to win her back since it won't work (at least that's what I'm getting from that quote of his /delusional D/E fangirling). Honestly, at this point I'm guessing a breakup. They never really had one of those while his emotion-switch was on, so it's about time. /delusional D/E fangirling(?) Maybe one of those "I'll always love you but I need time to figure things out" things, to keep the S/E fans semi-content. And on twitter Julie Plec said that the episode made her cry, iirc... which could be relevant.

My two cents :)
flyingfishflyingfish1 on April 2nd, 2012 10:08 pm (UTC)
...Just looking back at this and thinking of other things to add :)

Stefan's been changing too, not only Elena. I'd say that for him, this season has been about facing himself and starting to let go of his delusions, whether they are his delusion of himself as a regular human guy who just happens to have a few dietary issues, or his delusion that Klaus was to blame for everything that's been going wrong in his life lately (as Klaus handily pointed out in the last episode). It's been about him admitting that he has problems that he can't just ignore in hopes that they'll go away. If he were to go back to Elena now, it would just be enabling that denial and it wouldn't help him as a person. Nor would it make him interesting as a character. We've seen all that before, so why would they just rehash it? No, it'd be far more interesting to present him, and Damon and Elena, with a scenario that none of them have been in before and see how they react to that.

Oh, and I should clarify, just in case I second-guessed myself into incomprehensibility up there, I do think Elena and Damon are going to get together this season--maybe not becoming an official "couple" yet, but I'm sure there'll be some declarations of love and some kissing. It's possible that it won't happen, but I do think it will.

Okay, I think that's all I've got to say. You never know, though :D
Arabian: Elena&Caroline01arabian on April 2nd, 2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
Stefan's been changing too, not only Elena. I'd say that for him, this season has been about facing himself and starting to let go of his delusions, whether they are his delusion of himself as a regular human guy who just happens to have a few dietary issues, or his delusion that Klaus was to blame for everything that's been going wrong in his life lately (as Klaus handily pointed out in the last episode).

Very true. It's kinda like Damon needed to realize that it was his choice to become a vampire, and that it wasn't Stefan's fault.

It's been about him admitting that he has problems that he can't just ignore in hopes that they'll go away. If he were to go back to Elena now, it would just be enabling that denial and it wouldn't help him as a person.

Right. I commented in my episode post that in that final scene, Stefan did take a big step out of denial-land in acknowledging that Elena is in love with Damon. So, we are actually seeing both of them grow out of denial, and since so much of their relationship was based on denial, there's no way they can go back.

Nor would it make him interesting as a character. We've seen all that before, so why would they just rehash it? No, it'd be far more interesting to present him, and Damon and Elena, with a scenario that none of them have been in before and see how they react to that.

Agreed.

Oh, and I should clarify, just in case I second-guessed myself into incomprehensibility up there, I do think Elena and Damon are going to get together this season--maybe not becoming an official "couple" yet, but I'm sure there'll be some declarations of love and some kissing. It's possible that it won't happen, but I do think it will.

Oh, yeah, I think it will too. I'm just -- gah, this has come partly from the spoilers, but mostly with the fact that I was disappointed in the reaction to Damon's kidnapping overall, and from Elena especially in the last episode. I was able to rationalize most of it away, but not seeing anything AT ALL from Elena beyond that one scene where she asked about rescuing him was very, very disheartening. I get the why of the kidnapping, but it felt like a HUGE wasted opportunity to show the others realizing that Damon does mean at least a LITTLE something to them, and Elena getting a kick in the pants about her feelings for him, and Stefan seeing that reaction from her which led to that scene at the end.

Okay, I think that's all I've got to say. You never know, though :D

Haha, I know that feeling!
flyingfish: elena tvdflyingfish1 on April 3rd, 2012 01:38 am (UTC)
this has come partly from the spoilers, but mostly with the fact that I was disappointed in the reaction to Damon's kidnapping overall, and from Elena especially in the last episode. I was able to rationalize most of it away, but not seeing anything AT ALL from Elena beyond that one scene where she asked about rescuing him was very, very disheartening. I get the why of the kidnapping, but it felt like a HUGE wasted opportunity to show the others realizing that Damon does mean at least a LITTLE something to them, and Elena getting a kick in the pants about her feelings for him

You know, I've been wondering about this, because I know just what you mean by that--I was hoping for the same kind of thing. My only thought is that they deliberately set up the expectation for all of that--for a parallel to rescuing Stefan in 1x17 (and they really did draw attention to the possibility of a parallel by having Elena tell Stefan that Damon would have dropped everything and gone to save him, making us remember the time in 1x17 when he and Elena did that very thing), and for the romantic rescue and the blood-sharing and so on (gah, I really wanted blood-sharing!!! LOL) and then deliberately subverted it all. Not to screw with the shippers but, imho, maybe to demonstrate just how different the S/E and D/E relationships are/will be. Which is to say, D/E isn't going to be sunshine and rainbows and cliches all the time, even if we want some of those, or if Damon the die-hard romantic wants it too (hence "this went differently in my head"). The whole dream sequence really drew attention to the difference between the wish and the reality. In reality, Elena trusts Damon and Stefan to get out of trouble on their own, with no need for her to dramatically ride to the rescue. By contrast, we have S/E, which is really romanticized and has been from the start.

Come to think of it, a lot of the the D/E romantic moments have been screwed up like that--their first kiss turning out to be with Katherine, Damon erasing her memory of his declaration of love, Damon trying to die for her all the time in 2x21 and being thwarted constantly (though that last one applies to Stefan too, doesn't it.) 2x01 might have turned out a little differently if he hadn't killed her brother (not your typical romance hero thing to do!!). That kind of thing, maybe...

Hopefully that made sense--I'm mostly just thinking as I type...

Edited at 2012-04-03 01:42 am (UTC)
Arabian: A/J -Squee!arabian on April 3rd, 2012 01:51 am (UTC)
That actually does make a lot of sense. Ooh! I like that, okay, I'll go with it. :) Thank you.
flyingfishflyingfish1 on April 3rd, 2012 01:58 am (UTC)
You're welcome! :D
Arabian: Damon01arabian on April 2nd, 2012 10:30 pm (UTC)
*resurfaces* Sorry for not having commented lately--I've had things to say, just no time to say them! But I particularly wanted to comment on this.

It's okay. I do miss your commentary though. :( (Know you are missed.)

So--I know exactly what you mean! I've been reading spoilers lately and fretting. Elena's still so stuck, emotionally, and there are only four episodes left, and if one of them is a big S/E episode that doesn't leave much time for D/E to gain momentum leading up to the finale.

Right. Now, I could see stuffs happening, but I don't know now I'm suddenly wondering if the point of having the big D/E episode BEFORE the S/E episode is because it's that Elena needs the Damon-feelings to get some acknowledgement before she has a "romantic" moment with Stefan so that she realizes how complicated things have truly gotten. Because, as we all know, Elena is denial-girl and if she didn't have that come to Jesus moment about Damon, she might fall back into denial-land with Stefan and that would be AWFUL!

I've started to wonder if she'll just choose neither of them, which wouldn't be too out of the blue if you take into account where her character is right now...

I would hate that personally because I feel like she's already done that since episode 11. She told Stefan he "had" her, past-tense, and told Damon that he couldn't kiss her again -- which was her choosing specifically to tell both in so many words that neither could/would be there. And that's lasted through everything leading up until now.

But. I think she's braver than that, you know? I think she'll screw up her courage and confront all her D/E-related issues, and she'll move on from Stefan.

I think that's still a real possibility, this whole fair/balanced crap that they are spewing is what worries me though now. They are so damned and determined to be fair and balanced despite the fact that this was never an issue when Damon wasn't an option. Ugh!

Starting with her birthday in the premiere, this season has been about her growing up, changing, becoming an adult, getting stronger and more confident.

I have pointed this out specfically myself, so yeah, I do see that. You're definitely right.

I think if she were to stay in her holding pattern with Stefan it would defeat all of that. I know that doesn't necessarily mean she'll get together with Damon in the finale, but I can't see her getting back with Stefan long-term. For an episode, maybe, to try it out and see if it still works, but no more.

I could live with that, but it can't be beyond that. She has to move on. She HAS to.

Besides, a BIG S/E episode doesn't automatically mean a POSITIVE S/E episode.

Very true. Julie went on and on about 3.11 being a BIG S/E episode ... and that featured Stefan force-feeding her blood and threatening to kill her where her parents died.

especially given the promo for 3x19, with Elena actually (gasp) bringing up her feelings for Damon TO Damon, and Stefan seeming resigned to the fact that she's in love with him and that he shouldn't/can't try to win her back since it won't work (at least that's what I'm getting from that quote of his /delusional D/E fangirling).

Yeah, and Julie did say specifically that what happens in 3.19 matters PLENTY, so that must tie into the next three episodes.

Honestly, at this point I'm guessing a breakup. They never really had one of those while his emotion-switch was on, so it's about time. /delusional D/E fangirling(?) Maybe one of those "I'll always love you but I need time to figure things out" things, to keep the S/E fans semi-content. And on twitter Julie Plec said that the episode made her cry, iirc... which could be relevant.

That would SOOOOOOOOOO work for me, and what I had hoped and thought it would be, but again, the whole "fair/balanced" stuff has me worried. And I'm getting to the point where I'd prefer to NOT expect that because if it doesn't happen, there's a whole new vent I have to rationalize through, LOL!

My two cents :)

Appreciated. :)