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01 April 2012 @ 10:19 pm
Oh, I dunno ...  
I'm back to being pessimistic about The Vampire Diaries.

Apparently previous spoilers are wrong, and not only do S/E dance (which, yeah I did already know) in 3.20, it's apparently not a big D/E episode, but rather a BIG S/E episode. And I just -- I can't wrap my brain around Elena being with this guy after what he did on the bridge. I know, I know, what Damon did to Jeremy -- but that wasn't personal, that wasn't after she'd fallen in love with Damon, that wasn't after they'd been together. It was PERSONAL what Stefan did. And she and Stefan are going to dance, and have sweet, wonderful moments and get all close and intimate. Sure whatever happens with D/E in 3.19 is supposed to count, but when have Damon/Elena EVER gotten balance on this show? Uhm, never. So I'm not holding my breath here.

And now I'm back to thinking that Elena's going to either choose Stefan or choose neither one of them at the end of the season, kicking Damon (and the D/E shippers in the gut YET AGAIN!). I don't know how much more I can take of this ripping apart my shipper heart and I ADORE this show. There are so many D/E fans out there who don't even like the show anymore. No wonder the ratings are tanking. I'm sorry, but they were hitting the mid-to-higher two million viewers in the second half of season 02. Then the finale promised Damon/Elena. The first half of season two started to rise from those mid-to-higher two million to between three and mid-three million again. And other than 3.10 (where Damon/Elena kissed), there's been nothing but crumbs with them this second half and the ratings are falling back into the mid-to-higher two millions, with the last episode actually dipping below 2.5 (a 2.44). What is it going to take to wake them up to the fact that lack of Damon/Elena is HURTING the ratings.

There is no way you're not going to tell me there isn't some sort of connection here. Especially when Damon/Elena sweep every couple poll over Stefan/Elena, not to mention all of the buzz, talk, everywhere about them. The fandom is NOT evenly split, not by a long shot and because of that I can't honestly even understand the show being so determined to give both couples a fair shake more or less this season. And even if I could for that reason, it still wouldn't mesh because the first two seasons were NON-STOP STEFAN/ELENA! We're at the end of season 03 and Damon/Elena have YET to have even remotely as much good stuff as S/E.

And I'm whining, but I can't help it. IT'S NOT FAIR!

And damnit! One more rant. I'm fucking sick and tired of the lack of Damon-love on the show. Everyone treats him like crap. And he doesn't deserve it. Not now. Not when everyone else gets sunshine blown up their ass and forgiveness with a bouquet for any bad thing they do or it's flat-out ignored (paging Stefan!). But Damon?! He's still gets treated like crap for stuff he did in the first season and first episode of season 02, never mind EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY THING he's done good since then. What? Because he's snarky? Why shouldn't he be? Everyone treats him like crap.

GAH!
 
 
 
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on April 2nd, 2012 03:31 am (UTC)
have you seen the extended preview for next episode?

Yes, and I was happy about it until I found out that while 19 is a big D/E episode, 3.20 is a big S/E episode. I'd like to believe that it's heading to closure, but all descriptions so far of 3.20 do NOT sound that way, so I'm leery.

I know you are right, I know, I know, I know. It's not bad writing, it's just that some things do need to be dealt with. Like this:

I could not agree more that it is well past time for people to realize how much Damon does for them

And this:

I agree with you entirely that they are being Too Slow.

YES.

It's just that we're getting near the end of three seasons here and the D/E fans are STILL in a holding pattern, while the S/E fans are being "rewarded for their patience." Give me a fucking break. What about the D/Ers, damnit!?

sumeria on April 2nd, 2012 04:01 am (UTC)
Here's the things about the extended version of the promo that I'm finding hopeful.

1. Rose's comment that she's "rooting for" them. I know you didn't really care for Rose, but. She was presented to us as a character we were supposed to admire, and as a fairly neutral person. I could be wrong, but I do not thing we have ever before had any character actually *advocate* for D/E in the show. The narrative weight such a clean statement causes is enormous.

But 2, and even more significant to me, is the way Stefan says "no matter what I go through to get her back, none of that matters if she has feelings for someone else". It's mostly in the tone, I admit, but he doesn't sound *angry* here. He sounds... resigned, and almost accepting.

The S/E rumors do annoy me, because lo, I am Over Them. But I would like to see them break up cleanly, before the D/E really takes off, and I will admit, achieving such a clean break will certainly require at least one S/E episode, and maybe even a brief attempt to rekindle. (though lord I hope not)

I remain confident. They're taking longer than I want, but then I go back and look at how they staged her entrance to the ball from Damon's POV. There's no reason whatsoever for that if that's not the pairing they're moving towards, unless it's supposed to be some kind of revelation, and they *did* that version of the entering-in-a-gorgeous-dress back in season 1.
Arabian: Katherine04arabian on April 2nd, 2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2 --

I did want to say that this has come partly from the spoilers, but mostly with the fact that I was disappointed in the reaction to Damon's kidnapping overall, and from Elena especially in the last episode. I was able to rationalize most of it away, but not seeing anything AT ALL from Elena beyond that one scene where she asked about rescuing him was very, very disheartening. I get the why of the kidnapping, but it felt like a HUGE wasted opportunity to show the others realizing that Damon does mean at least a LITTLE something to them, and Elena getting a kick in the pants about her feelings for him, and Stefan seeing that reaction from her which led to that scene at the end. Now, on with your reply.

Here's the things about the extended version of the promo that I'm finding hopeful.

Don't get me wrong, I find the whole thing about episode 19 hopeful. It's the backtracking to her and Stefan in the episode IMMEDIATELY following that has me bummed. :(

1. Rose's comment that she's "rooting for" them. I know you didn't really care for Rose, but. She was presented to us as a character we were supposed to admire, and as a fairly neutral person. I could be wrong, but I do not thing we have ever before had any character actually *advocate* for D/E in the show. The narrative weight such a clean statement causes is enormous.

I do like that someone is rooting for them, but I wouldn't call it enormous when coming from Rose. Now if Jeremy backs her up to any degree, then I'd say it's enormous, but if it's not one of the main characters seeing how Damon can be and is good for her, and vice versa, then it's just another step. A nice one, but I don't think it's THAT huge a deal. It will depend on how Jeremy relays that message (or if he even does).

But 2, and even more significant to me, is the way Stefan says "no matter what I go through to get her back, none of that matters if she has feelings for someone else". It's mostly in the tone, I admit, but he doesn't sound *angry* here. He sounds... resigned, and almost accepting.

I agree with that, and it's part of what makes me hopeful overall, if it weren't for the continued insistence that they have to make the triangle "fair and balanced," never mind that they NEVER have before Damon got a shot. Stefan and Elena got TWO FULL SEASONS of them together with Elena adamant that it was Stefan, only Stefan, always Stefan. To not get at least that amount for Damon and Elena, without keeping Stefan as a viable option in a "fair and balanced" way simply isn't fair or balanced. So, while logically, narratively it makes perfect sense that Stefan can never really go back there with Elena if she was able to fall in love with someone else while still with him, the fact that they keep pushing the notion of fairness and balance in the triangle (now that Damon is an actual viable prospect), and giving Stefan/Elena fans something to hold onto right after Damon/Elena fans get something is VERY frustrating.

I mean, Stefan and Elena have been essentially broken up throughout this season and yet despite that we've had multiple declarations of love, longing looks, moments both filled with love and with physical interaction and despite the fact that Damon has ridiculously been there for her to an extreme through the first half and then some of the season, there have been more episodes without good (if any) Damon/Elena interaction than there have been Stefan and Elena -- who were separated for five episodes of the season. It's just so not fair and balanced, and it's insane because Damon and Elena are so much more popular. I want to believe the logical narrative, but the lack of consequence for Stefan's actions, both overall and to Elena, make me fear that logic isn't completely at play here.
Arabian: Katherine06arabian on April 2nd, 2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
Part 2 of 2 --

The S/E rumors do annoy me, because lo, I am Over Them. But I would like to see them break up cleanly, before the D/E really takes off, and I will admit, achieving such a clean break will certainly require at least one S/E episode, and maybe even a brief attempt to rekindle. (though lord I hope not)

I want to be hopeful; I do, but everything that it looked like it was leading to has kinda fallen apart narratively in the last episode -- why the hell did Elena show only ONE bit of caring for what happened to Damon with absolutely ZERO mind paid to him beyond that one scene, and the Stefan 'you're in love with him' felt like a plot point without substance because everything we've seen prior to that moment was Stefan in complete denial and absolutely refusing to acknowledge that aspect of it -- and based on the spoilers (which, yes, are deceiving, but still) for the rest of the season, well, it worries me that, yeah, logical narrative won't be fully rearing its head.

I remain confident.

I was; I really was before the emotional clusterfuck of the last episode, and the determination to be "fair and balanced" that is not only permeating all commentary about the show, but is showing up on screen as well.

They're taking longer than I want, but then I go back and look at how they staged her entrance to the ball from Damon's POV. There's no reason whatsoever for that if that's not the pairing they're moving towards, unless it's supposed to be some kind of revelation, and they *did* that version of the entering-in-a-gorgeous-dress back in season 1.

I have no doubt they are moving towards Damon/Elena; that hasn't changed at all. And I still think they'll be endgame at the end. Now, my worry is that even while she's with Damon, she'll be shown as still clearly loving and conflicted about Stefan, and thus not fully 100% with Damon ... and that's not fair to him, or to the D/E shippers -- the majority -- who sat through two and half seasons of Stefan!Stefan!Stefan!

Sigh, I know you're trying to help, and despite my pessimism above, you are helping. I just need to kill every bit of expectation at this point because it's kicking my ass. I was CONVINCED that it was Damon she was dancing with in 3.20, and that we were truly, fully heading towards them. Instead, it's a big Stefan/Elena episode. She's dancing with him, she's almost kissing him (possibly doing so in scenes that weren't seen by extras), and the lovely song that fit Damon/Elena so perfectly is now most likely FOR Stefan and Elena. So, yeah, I just can't have any more expectation because clearly they refuse to acknowledge the bigger fanbase and will continue to push Stefan/Elena as opposed to Damon/Elena -- because they get all of the press on their own merit -- all in an effort to be "fair and balanced." Pfft.

ETA: The funny thing is that if you read my response to others who are bummed too, I'm offering up all of these reasons why they shouldn't be. Ugh! What is wrong with me?!?!?!? LOL!

Edited at 2012-04-02 08:42 pm (UTC)