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17 February 2012 @ 03:13 am
3.15 - 'All My Children' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Woohoo!! New Vampire Diaries episode!!! (We'll just ignore the month-long wait for another new one. Wah!)

I will confess that I was still emotionally bruised from last week's episode. (Yes, logically, I found a way for it all to work, but it still hurt like hell!) Because I was still emotionally bruised, I fought giving into the awesome of this episode until about halfway through before I finally just admitted to myself that the episode was, indeed, awesome-sauce. This was partly helped by the fact that the idea that sumeria put forward that Elena was only thinking of Stefan as more of a friend, someone that she needed to help find themselves as opposed to wanting to *be* with him really did bear itself out here. Honestly, ya'll, Stefan was such an afterthought in relation to Elena (and for Elena) except from Damon's point of view. Initially, I thought that the opening song was about the Stefan/Elena pairing, and that Elena was all moody and what-not when she woke up because she was thinking about Stefan because the phone call (reluctantly made) was to him. However, what followed made it clear that the song, Elena's mood, even Elena's phone call to Stefan was all about Damon.

After all, she had called Damon several times, and the point was made that we knew how many times, whereas there was just the one call to Stefan -- and since he'd taken her home the night before, she knew that he was fine, so therefore, yes, she was calling him about Damon. Because she'd called him several times and hadn't heard from him. When Stefan didn't answer, she tried Damon once again and after his short reply and hang-up, she went over to see him. And, yes, her 'get over it' was kinda heartless, but *that* confirms the idea that was presented in my defense of Elena points that she really didn't realize how badly she hurt him. Plus, let's get real ... when it's Damon about Elena, he ALWAYS gets over it, like that! She's just going with what she knows. Girl needs her wake-up call. It's coming. It's so coming! And going back to some thoughts from last week, I just remind myself that Damon did a lot of growing in season 02 (as Elena has done this season), but he also regressed, two steps forward, a few steps back, etc. and so on because that's how growth (that eventually sticks) generally works. Same thing with Elena too.

She's going to have to grow up herself. Remember the season premiere was all about Elena turning eighteen, becoming an adult. It doesn't just happen overnight with a number change. She's learning. And she's going to screw up. And her lack of empathy about Damon in this instance when she's normally so empathetic to everyone? Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process.

Ahem, moving along ...

Again, it was pretty much all about him. Upon arrival, seeing him with Rebekah, her focus was on him. Hell, Elena barely even acknowledged Stefan's presence once she arrived (again, making it clear the message she left for him was about Damon). Then, of course, when we next see her, she's been going on and on about Damon to Bonnie (and Caroline). Finally, while Rebekah did keep saying "boyfriends" (plural -- which, honestly, will never not crack me up), all of her actual commentary was about Damon, getting digs in about him with nary a mention of Stefan (of whom Rebekah has carnal experience with as well). And when Elena called her on it, she flat-out stated that Rebekah sleeping with Damon was about hurting Elena meaning that she knew that Rebekah knew that it *would* hurt Elena. So, Elena may have never said that she was jealous, but it was perfectly clear that she was, and that it really had nothing to do with Rebekah almost killing her. That statement to Damon had about zero percent of heat behind it. She was just grabbing for an excuse to explain why she was upset. Of course, it was interesting that while it was clear (without flat-out being said other than by Damon, in full snarky form) to everyone else that she was jealous, there was one person for whom it wasn't: Stefan. After Damon commented on Elena's jealousy, Stefan immediately refuted it, going with Elena's cover-up explanation instead. And I do wonder if Stefan actually believed that or was just convincing himself. Hmm....

As for Damon, did he believe that Elena was jealous? He probably did think that there was a little jealousy there, but more likely that it was based on him turning his attention elsewhere, as opposed to her being jealous because of her feelings for him. After all, he's clearly convinced himself that he doesn't have a shot with Elena at all anymore and is thus backing off. As I said in my Take Two: "Dangerous Liaisons" post:

Elena needs to acknowledge that what's been happening with Damon is a two-way street, and whether she wants to admit it or not, she HAS been encouraging his love for her with her words, actions, reactions and responses to him. If it takes Damon walking away for a bit and letting them deal with issues/problems without him, and him staying mostly out of Elena's life and having her realize that he does matter to her for it to happen, okay then!
And I do believe that this is where we are heading. Without the 'Damon not going forth to keep her safe' part. Keep his emotional distance, yes, but still save the day. (Because, really, without him there to do that, they'll all be dead.) So yay!

Also a positive side, I felt, is the difference to how they are tackling this Elena-issue. Stefan is once again playing the martyr, and keeps trying to level that same act at Damon. However, that is not what Damon is doing. Damon is not pretending to not care (unlike Stefan), he's just acknowledging the belief that it doesn't matter that he loves Elena; she doesn't love him and he'll never win her ... fair and square or otherwise. So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.

Another difference between Stefan and Damon was how the Bennett bloodline was severed to save Elena's life. Stefan just kept talking, talking, talking instead of doing what the coin toss had decided he would do. Damon just walked up behind Abby and did it. And did anyone really doubt that Damon would be the one to do the thing, regardless of the coin toss? Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line. The question is whether Damon did it because he didn't want to give Stefan more to feel guilty about (as he said later), or because he wasn't sure that Stefan would pull through and do what needed to be done at the end of the day. A little of both I think.

So, this looks like -- starting with the last episode -- that it won't be a happy stretch on the road to Damon/Elena, however, I do believe it's all leading toward a stronger, deeper and more real reciprocated relationship with all the cards laid on the table, with both accepting and believing in each other completely. And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it.

And they so should because they are the most awesome OTP ever! Once again, Damon came up with the plan that saved the day (booyah!). Not once (dagger one of the Originals to keep them all down until the spell could be cast), and when that didn't work -- through no fault of his own, he was ready with plan B, that wound up keeping Bonnie's mother in the picture at least. And once again, Elena was proven to be WRONG about the person she trusted. On the other hand, and also once again, despite her über-stupidity in "Dangerous Liaisons" (albeit, utterly in-character über-stupidity), Elena showed her smarts again landing in that no-vampires-allowed room, and then reading Rebekah so well to keep herself alive (even if only to be Rebekah's torture-project). In their own ways, together, Elena and Damon really do make an awesome team, even when coming at it from different ends.

Okay, then, here's a bunch of randoms (some deeper than others) ...

- I seriously loved both of the Bonnie/Elena/Caroline scenes. The first one showed them being friends, discussing things in a natural, friendshippy-teenage-venting way, mixed in with the supernatural info and mumbo-jumbo with some nice comic relief from Caroline (who looked OMG!GORGEOUS in this episode!). Then, of course, there was the final scene with Abby stretched out on the bed, and Bonnie sitting at her side (so similar to the arrangement of Bonnie and Grams when she died in "Fool Me Once." {sobs}) Caroline telling her how much Bonnie loved Elena and was glad she was alive, but unable to deal with Elena at that time because in order to keep Elena safe, get Elena what she wanted, Bonnie had to suffer. I alternately wanted to hug Bonnie for her loss, Elena for her guilt, and Caroline for being such an awesome friend to both of them. Damn, I love these three and their friendship so much!

ETA: I've read some issue with the idea that Bonnie has lost so much, compared to Elena, but even while I love Elena, I also love Bonnie and I can see where that comes from emotionally. She had Grams. She lost Grams. Who was clearly her only and all support. She had Jeremy, she lost Jeremy because of all of the vampire/witchy stuff. Not fair to blame it on supernatural forces when much of that was on Jeremy's own feelings, but it feels like it when emotions and pain come into play, you don't look at logic, you focus on the pain. And now Jeremy is gone because he was a target because of Elena, through Elena's choice, using those supernatural forces to send him away. She found her mother, and now she's lost her life (although, she's not gone), of course, so that cut short bonding they could have had WITHOUT this crazy vampire mix added to it. She basically has Caroline and Elena, and Elena is all wrapped up in vampires, and Caroline IS a vampire, and Bonnie as a witch, instinctively is against vampires so to take comfort from the only two people she has, she has to overcome nature's voice pounding in her head about something that is wrong.

Yes, Elena lost her parents -- before this all happened. Yes, Elena lost John -- but she didn't love him, hell, she barely liked him. Yes, she lost Jenna. No question there. Yes, she lost Jeremy -- but not really, she simply sent him away for his safety so she wouldn't lose him. On the other hand, she gained Stefan, Damon and Alaric, and everyone else is constantly bending over backward to keep Elena safe, make Elena happy.

Comparing the two, it's easy to see where Bonnie and Caroline are coming from. At the end of the day, Bonnie is now a witch with a vampire mother and two best friends (one a vampire, the other in love with vampires). That's it. At the end of the day, Elena has a stepfather (which is technically what Alaric is), a brother safely tucked away, two immortal guys who are willing to do any and everything for her who both love her and she loves them, two best friends who are willing to do any and everything for her, plus a few Original vampires here and there who will help to keep her alive for whatever reason. I get where Bonnie is coming from. It's not even about a list of who/what you've lost, it's about the emotional fallout she's suffering through AGAIN because of Elena, fair or not. So, yeah, I see Bonnie's point of view, but I love Bonnie, so ....

- I've yet to be negative in this post, but, sigh, here it comes: I'm gonna say it, and I really, really hate doing so because I want to think nothing but the best of this show and its writers, but they screwed up with Stefan and this arc. It has been all over the place and has made no sense. There is simply no rhyme or reason to how he's behaved and I honestly can not conceive of how it can be laid out in a way that would. He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again. Whatever. And I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out. I'm just not feeling anything from him anymore (in this, and last week's episode).

Worst of all, it appears as if there really will be no consequences for his behavior, for what he did to Andie. At all. This frustrates me because there is a story there, and I want to see Stefan get to a place where he can live on bunny-blood, and not hate himself. Where he can find that middle ground, just as Damon needs to find his. The difference is that Damon's arc is being (and has been) beautifully crafted and nurtured along the course of the show. The same can not be said for Stefan, and I don't know if the blame is the writing, the actor, the very essence of the type of character that Stefan is, or maybe it's a combination of all three. I don't know. The bottom-line is just that he's no longer working for me and that does make me sad because once upon a time, Stefan was one of my absolute favorite characters.

- So Esther, Finn, Kol and presumably, Elijah have taken/are taking off. I am down with that. Pruning the canvas for a few episodes is NOT a bad idea. And we at least get to keep Klaus and Rebekah. I would have included Elijah on this list (or would have wept about his lack of inclusion) before the last episode and this one, but I've been really annoyed with this whole inexplicable Elijah/Elena thing. I mean, her complete trust in him? Yeah, she trusted him (sorta) at the end of the season 02 but that was out of necessity and before he, you know, BETRAYED her! That sappy letter at the end? Really? I mean, really?! A thousand-year old vampire who was turned in his 30's is that affected by an 18-year old of the 21st century? Really?!?!? Yeah, I don't buy it, even as much as I adore Elena, I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere. On the other hand, I *liked* that he did betray her (again) and that Elena got (hopefully) a wake-up call that will stick that she can't trust everyone who is nice to her for five seconds! (Oh, Elena!) I also liked that Elijah realized that he's not this amazingly noble creature. As much as I love him, and do believe that he has a morality about him for sure, he still has and does do awful, terrible things and to have convinced himself otherwise ... {shakes head}. Really, Damon is the ONLY honest vampire on this damn show, LOL!

- Okay, yeah, Klaus and Caroline are really adorable, even when Caroline is playing him. Which he knew, thus the destruction of his MANY drawings of her. I loved him saying "let me acquit myself." (That along with Kol calling Rebekah a strumpet were little touches that I continue to like about the Originals, their speech patterns in small ways prove just how long they've been around, when they were staked, etc.) That was awesome, as were his attempts to get to know her. Oh, Klaus. When courting, he's just so ... well, adorably a dork about it. And when he watched her walk away in the Grill, I actually said aloud: "He's so smitten." Because, really, that is the key word to describe how he feels at this point, I think. Smitten. Klaus-y boy is one smitten kitten!

- On the other end of the romantic spectrum, it sadly appears that the Stefan/Rebekah awesomeness from "The End of the Affair" was pointless, unless Stefan's line about who Damon slept with was slightly about his jealousy over Rebekah. Nah, didn't really play that way at all. *Sigh* Such good chemistry, and SUCH a great story. I want to be wrong, but there has literally been NOTHING pointing to anything with them, heck even a reference to them other than Rebekah's line that she's done with Stefan until he treats her better back in "Ordinary People," and before that her jealousy and anger in "The Reckoning" (episode 05). So, yeah, not holding my breath. :(

- Erm, speaking of that one-night stand ... Rebekah's dress. Really, guys? You made it very clear that one Damon Salvatore ripped that dress right down the back, and yet, here's Rebekah the next morning, her dress just as lovely and finely-seamed as the night before. Okay, fine, here's my theory. We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is, so I've decided that he has a little sewing kit and with his vampire speed, stitched that baby right back up to its former pristine glory. :)

- The White Oak Tree is thriving again. Now the Scooby gang just needs a botanist on their team (hey, new Vampire girl from the next episode's promo goes by the name "Sage") and they're good to go! :D

- Hmm, wow, the first time I felt something in the Ric/Meredith scenes and it ends with her -- a human -- shooting him. This could be the end of Ric. Sadly, I'm not even as remotely as sad as I would have been before episode 08 of this season. He has been SUCH an asshole to Damon (and their phone conversation made it clear to me that we weren't supposed to be seeing it as such), that I just don't care as much. I don't want him dead, of course not, but him dying won't break my heart as it would have before.

- Now we know for sure that a witch can be turned, but once she is, she's no longer a witch.

- Speaking of, so when Stefan thought that he was going to be the one who had to sever the Bennett bloodline, he went after ... Bonnie? And not Abby? Really, Stefan?! You choose to keep around a woman you all barely know over Bonnie?!?!? Again, thank God for Damon! Who severed the bloodline, saved Elena's life, and did so in a way that at least kept Bonnie's new-found mother in her life.

- Didn't miss Tyler, didn't miss Matt either, but I didn't miss him less than I didn't miss Tyler. So, erm, can Tyler stay away forever? Please? Still miss Jeremy, though. :Pouts:

- So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.) And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.

Phew! Another episode, and this one a fabulous one, bringing us back to the glory of episodes 3-11 (minus 4). (And to be fair, episode 14 was great, it was just hard as a Damon, Damon/Elena fan -- and will probably play out much better once we've hit the finale). Hopefully, this starts a new streak of awesome to finish out the season with. I can so live with episode 4, 12, 13 and 14 being the only weak to not-totally-awesome episodes. :)

ETA: WOW! 100+ comments for this one, that's the most ever! Phew!
 
 
 
x5valex5vale on February 17th, 2012 09:35 am (UTC)
that Elena was only thinking of Stefan as more of a friend, someone that she needed to help find themselves as opposed to wanting to *be* with him really did bear itself out here.
Yep this is a good point. Both Elena and Stefan look like they have given up on their relationship, but of course Damon can't see it.

And yes it was all about Damon. She spent the whole episode talking about Damon to pretty much everyone.

So, Elena may have never said that she was jealous, but it was perfectly clear that she was, and that it really had nothing to do with Rebekah almost killing her. That statement to Damon had about zero percent of heat behind it.
So clear that I don't understand how some people didn't get she was jealous.

And I do wonder if Stefan actually believed that or was just convincing himself. Hmm....
*Stefan lives in denial*

Without the 'Damon not going forth to keep her safe' part. Keep his emotional distance, yes, but still save the day. (Because, really, without him there to do that, they'll all be dead.) So yay!
Me too and yes Damon doesn't want to be the hero. He actually is. Otherwise they would all be dead :)))

Damon is not pretending to not care (unlike Stefan), he's just acknowledging the belief that it doesn't matter that he loves Elena; she doesn't love him and he'll never win her ... fair and square or otherwise. So, he's going back to his modus operandi of before: I'll keep her safe, even if she hates me for it. He's accepting that he'll never have her, so instead he'll be her bad guy.
Yes yes yes. This is personal growth, the one Stefan lacks in.

Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line. The question is whether Damon did it because he didn't want to give Stefan more to feel guilty about (as he said later), or because he wasn't sure that Stefan would pull through and do what needed to be done at the end of the day. A little of both I think.
I think Damon did for both reasons.

but they screwed up with Stefan and this arc. It has been all over the place and has made no sense.
I agree. He is where he was back there and he has learned nothing from his experience. No sense at all.

He's not compelled, but human blood is making him a sadistic, sick puppy. No wait, he is compelled, and he's suddenly NOT a sadistic, sick puppy, yet he has a nasty, snarky attitude. No wait, now he isn't compelled, and he's a snarky ass who doesn't care about anyone except Damon, and he goes too far and does horrible things. And, wait for it, now he's gone too far, and so he's not drinking blood and he's back to being the martyred, suffering Stefan again.
This sums up pretty well what they have done with him.


The difference is that Damon's arc is being (and has been) beautifully crafted and nurtured along the course of the show. The same can not be said for Stefan, and I don't know if the blame is the writing, the actor, the very essence of the type of character that Stefan is, or maybe it's a combination of all three.
It's the same they have done in SPN with Sam Winchester. Sometimes I think it's a mixage of what you said, sometimes I think it's because when you have a character who lives on his own and it's easy to develop, the other main one suffers.



Sadly, I'm not even as remotely as sad as I would have been before episode 08 of this season. He has been SUCH an asshole to Damon (and their phone conversation made it clear to me that we weren't supposed to be seeing it as such), that I just don't care as much. I don't want him dead, of course not, but him dying won't break my heart as it would have before.
My thoughts exactly.

Speaking of, so when Stefan thought that he was going to be the one who had to sever the Bennett bloodline, he went after ... Bonnie? And not Abby? Really, Stefan?!
Amen.

So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.)
I am not sure I would like it. I want my Damon to be the vampire he is now.

Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
So clear that I don't understand how some people didn't get she was jealous.

Yeah, I read people bitching about how awful Elena is and getting hung up on her telling Damon to get over it (exhibit #536 why I don't like Carina MacKenzie -- she was one of them) to see how clearly jealous she was.

*Stefan lives in denial*

I tell ya! Reason #269 why Stefan and Elena do NOT work as a couple: They both live in denial-ville. :)

Me too and yes Damon doesn't want to be the hero. He actually is.

Right, he doesn't try to be the hero, he just is. :)

It's the same they have done in SPN with Sam Winchester. Sometimes I think it's a mixage of what you said, sometimes I think it's because when you have a character who lives on his own and it's easy to develop, the other main one suffers.

Well, I stopped watching SPN years ago, but I don't see it this way, but that could be because I don't think that Jared P. has a tenth of the talent, charm or charisma of Paul Wesley, and I don't think the writing staff at SPN comes near TVD, and I think that Stefan -- even at his worse -- is a much more complex character. But you don't know this about me. I have HUGE Sam-issues. CAN NOT STAND HIM.

RE: Damon being human again -- I am not sure I would like it. I want my Damon to be the vampire he is now.

I added this after your response because I was re-reading it for edits and stuff, and I actually think that could be a part of the story. After all, if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes now that he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.
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Alisha: Dr. Who (Donna & Rose) B&Wkalishaka on February 17th, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
One of these days I will be upset that you read my mind and write it all down before I can even start.

This episode, eased the pain of the last one quite a bit. Because honestly, last week's episode was not bad. Probably even a little great, but seriously, as a Damon fan, it just hurt. All of it hurt. Damon in this episode was just perfectly Damon, and I liked him taking a bit of his own back.

The opening, Elena's jealousy...hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. The scene with the three girls, and Caroline and her flawlessness this episode, hilarious! I have no other words.

I am, however, kind of over Stefan. They have him in this weird limbo place emotionally where he isn't really connected to anyone, except for Damon. Yet, all his scenes with Damon he continues to belittle and ostracize him. It's just awkward. I don't know how much of that is Paul checking out so much as the writer's not really knowing what to do with Stefan in regard to the main cast anymore. Excuse me as I connect to Kevin's past shows but it's very reminiscent of how distanced Dawson came to be from the rest of the cast to the point where he just had almost a storyline and setting of his own for a season because they just couldn't fit him into the flow anymore. They need to start pairing Stefan up with other people like Caroline or Matt. He needs a use. Even pairing him up with Tyler might have worked, they could have done a bonding experiment over learning to control their minds or something. Stefan just doesn't have a purpose anymore. The Klaus revenge is over, taken back over by the group, so now he's just standing around, inactive, without even the relationship with Elena to keep him relevant. It's a waste of the actor and the character.

Speaking on that note, Meredith's character, I cannot care. There has been next to no time spent developing her into anything more than something suspicious and bad so there was no surprise for me in the reveal or having the gun. And really I just feel bad for Alaric, whose relevancy has also gone down hill. I would say the writer's might have run into that wall where they just had too many characters to deal with but I honestly think just pairing them up could get more value.

The originals were flawless. Honestly, I have no complaints. I might love Rebekah so much right now that I don't even know how to contain myself. I am glad for the cut down though. I am looking forward to seeing this all come together at the end.

The idea of Damon or Stefan turning human is an interesting one. I hadn't thought about it, but I do like it. A lot. And honestly, while a part of me doesn't think it would stick, I do want it to be Damon. Not just because I love him more, but because I think you'd get a better story out of it. Stefan's horror at having to possibly exist without his brother. The 'idea' of the 'wrong' brother getting the second chance. And I don't know, I just really want Damon to get to have something that I believe would mean more to him than any other vampire we have seen on the show. Damon doesn't delude himself very often. He's very real about his vampirism and what it means, and he longs to be human. He's admitted it. Bias talking, but just once I want him to have what he wants. And, I feel like he'd go back, become a vampire again, because while human, he can't protect her and it would leave Stefan alone. I feel like he would finally get the chance to make the choice...and it would be beautiful. (I just can't see him being left human and I think it would be an amazing arc. And an amazing setting for many an au fanfic.)

Random note before I shut up, on the note of Stefan's 'jealousy' on Damon's sleeping with Rebekah and Elena being jealous about it. While I have a pretty good feel for what I was meant to take out of it, I am sticking with my headcanon belief that he was jealous on all three parts and could not decide which was worse: The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation.
Arabian: Donna Noblearabian on February 17th, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
One of these days I will be upset that you read my mind and write it all down before I can even start.

LOL! Eh, saves you on writing-time. :)

This episode, eased the pain of the last one quite a bit. Because honestly, last week's episode was not bad. Probably even a little great, but seriously, as a Damon fan, it just hurt. All of it hurt. Damon in this episode was just perfectly Damon, and I liked him taking a bit of his own back.

This, yes, this, this, this! ALL OF THIS!

The opening, Elena's jealousy...hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. The scene with the three girls, and Caroline and her flawlessness this episode, hilarious! I have no other words.

So true, so very true.

I am, however, kind of over Stefan. They have him in this weird limbo place emotionally where he isn't really connected to anyone, except for Damon. Yet, all his scenes with Damon he continues to belittle and ostracize him.

YES! This is why separating him from Caroline -- his ONE established connection, and not bringing any of the feelings from the 20's with Rebekah and Klaus into the present were such HUGE mistakes. The only one he interacts now with Damon ... and he's such a whiny, little bitch with him.


Excuse me as I connect to Kevin's past shows but it's very reminiscent of how distanced Dawson came to be from the rest of the cast to the point where he just had almost a storyline and setting of his own for a season because they just couldn't fit him into the flow anymore.

Hmm, that's a very good point.

Even pairing him up with Tyler might have worked, they could have done a bonding experiment over learning to control their minds or something. -- AND -- Stefan just doesn't have a purpose anymore. The Klaus revenge is over, taken back over by the group, so now he's just standing around, inactive, without even the relationship with Elena to keep him relevant. It's a waste of the actor and the character. -- AND -- Speaking on that note, Meredith's character, I cannot care.

Bunch of yups, I very much agree with you. :)

There has been next to no time spent developing her into anything more than something suspicious and bad so there was no surprise for me in the reveal or having the gun.

I mean, they are usually so good about developing these characters and they just didn't AT ALL with Meredith. I mean, I'm still not sure there won't be some twist when it comes back, but as for now, yeah, I don't care.

The idea of Damon or Stefan turning human is an interesting one.

I added this after your response actually when I was rereading my post, but I actually think that could be a part of the story. After all, if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes now that he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.

honestly, while a part of me doesn't think it would stick, I do want it to be Damon.

I don't think it would stick either, and I could see him making the conscious choice this time to be a vampire, like you said.

And, I feel like he'd go back, become a vampire again, because while human, he can't protect her and it would leave Stefan alone.

Yup, yup, yup!

Random note before I shut up, on the note of Stefan's 'jealousy' on Damon's sleeping with Rebekah and Elena being jealous about it. While I have a pretty good feel for what I was meant to take out of it, I am sticking with my headcanon belief that he was jealous on all three parts and could not decide which was worse: The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation.

I don't know, I can't see that being it, because wouldn't this -- The loves of his life wanting his brother even for a brief moment, or the fact that right in that moment his brother had the attention of both and Stefan was not part of the equation -- not have made Stefan's head literally explode?

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Heather-Ann: DE The End of the Affairlinsell_farm on February 17th, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Drive-by comment while taking my morning break ... :)

I loved the way (and extent) that they showed Elena's jealousy.
Damon's arc has been much better handled than Stefan. I really have no idea what Stefan will end up being by the end of this season, and am losing interest in him as a character.
I'm very much enjoying Klaus being a smitten-kitten and Caroline is just make of awesome-sauce.
ITA that Caroline was just beautiful this episode.

Boo for the month-long hiatus :(
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 17th, 2012 05:41 pm (UTC)
Can you believe some people didn't see it as jealousy??!?!?

I really have no idea what Stefan will end up being by the end of this season, and am losing interest in him as a character.

Yeah, after the first part of this sentence, I finished in my head "and I don't care," which is essentially what you finished your sentence with.
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: EW bedbadboy_fangirl on February 17th, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
To quote The Sixth Sense: People only see what they wanna see.

So, yeah, those who didn't see flat-out jealous Elena? Um, how crazy are you? She point blank asked Damon if he did this to lash out at her. I don't know how it could be in any more obvious that they are in a relationship, even if they've never made it official, on any level.

Anyway, moving on to something I saw differently than you: the whole Stefan/Damon coin toss business. I felt like Damon didn't show Stefan the coin and implied that he would kill whomever they needed to kill--and of course they wouldn't kill Bonnie (because Damon has actually grown, and tried to find a way around that--so different than 2x18, 2x19 Damon, YAY!), so Stefan was just there to be the heavy in case someone needed to hold Bonnie back so Damon could kill Abby. That was my take on it; Stefan was never going to kill Bonnie at all. ETA: and of course Stefan let Damon do that, because Stefan always lets Damon do the dirty work. At least this time he acknowledged it.

And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire.
OH THE ANGST. Gah, I might have to write a big bang this summer with that plot ;-)

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Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)06arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
So, yeah, those who didn't see flat-out jealous Elena? Um, how crazy are you?

Yeah, I read people bitching about how awful Elena is and getting hung up on her telling Damon to get over it(exhibit #536 why I don't like Carina MacKenzie -- she was one of them) to see how clearly jealous she was.

I felt like Damon didn't show Stefan the coin and implied that he would kill whomever they needed to kill

Except that in the later conversation, Stefan asked Damon why he did it clearly implying that Stefan believed it was all on him, and it never crossed his mind that Damon would do the deed. As for needing a heavy, maybe that was the intention, but it just didn't play out that way for me. If Stefan believed that he was the one who lost the coin toss, why did Damon need to be there to take Abby out? If it was planned that way, then Stefan would have known that Damon was going to go after Abby. He didn't, he was surprised that Damon did so (as how I read their talk later). And they didn't need a heavy, she and Abby are witches and not vampires. All either boy had to do was come up behind them and do the job. I dunno, just how it played out didn't make sense as anything other than Stefan trying to talk Bonnie into accepting the right thing before he killed her, and Damon coming up and taking care of Abby before Stefan could do his thing. I dunno.

I might have to write a big bang this summer with that plot ;-)

Write it, write it, write it! (And if you need a beta, I'll be happy to help.)


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sun_signsun_sign on February 17th, 2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
I read and loved your entire review, but I'm too tired to exchange any clever opinions, so I'm just gonna leave it here:

The White Oak Tree is thriving again.

She is the true queen of the show.

Arabian: Elena02arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
Hah! Yes, she is. :)
traciaknowstraciaknows on February 17th, 2012 07:40 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched it yet- after last week, I wasn't sure that I wanted to.

But, I'm so sick of the Damon put downs by the main cast- especially, by Stefan. They did this a lot with Pacey- with no one (and sometimes, even Pacey) ever really seeing how much he was changing- almost constantly for the better. Stefan is not the "good brother." There is no good brother. That's the thing about this show, everyone is guilty of something. No one has much moral high ground to stand on.

As I mentioned below, it would be really interesting if all the vamps could become human- but I'm thinking (completely my own thinky thoughts) it would be more interesting if Elena was turned and they spent the next season trying to turn her back into a human.

I'm really sick of missing the great writing and character development. Sigh.
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)03arabian on February 17th, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched it yet- after last week, I wasn't sure that I wanted to.

As I expected this week really makes what happened last week make a lot of sense and makes it even more clear this is about Elena waking up to her feelings about Damon, and Damon waking up to the fact that he can't sit around just pining for her.

I'm so sick of the Damon put downs by the main cast- especially, by Stefan.

That doesn't happen. Well, yeah, Stefan is a dick, but that's par for the course for him. Put it this way, I didn't feel sad for or enraged on Damon's behalf AT ALL in this episode.

it would be more interesting if Elena was turned and they spent the next season trying to turn her back into a human.

That is an interesting idea, BUT, I still think they are saving the Elena-turn for when she chooses to (to be with Damon).

I'm really sick of missing the great writing and character development. Sigh.

See, I don't understand this because it's still there (well, except for Stefan). Everything in this episode logically follows what happened in the last episode, and that did follow in what happened in the episodes before (whether we liked it or not). What happened in 3.14 set things in motion for important, necessary moves for Damon, Damon/Elena and Damon.
tams71tams71 on February 17th, 2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
Part I

Another difference between Stefan and Damon was how the Bennett bloodline was severed to save Elena's life. Stefan just kept talking, talking, talking instead of doing what the coin toss had decided he would do. Damon just walked up behind Abby and did it. And did anyone really doubt that Damon would be the one to do the thing, regardless of the coin toss? Of course not, because Stefan can clearly only make the hard choice when revenge (or his brother's life) is on the line.

WORD! Once again Stefan sits back and tries to reason with a situation instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing what needs to be done. You’re right, it’s only when Damon’s life is on the line or the fact that Stefan is in “revenge” mode that he ACTUALLY acts. Let’s face it, even when the life of the woman he supposedly loves is on the line he can’t step up, grow a pair, and do what needs to be done. What does that say about his feelings for Elena? In contrast, Damon, even when his heart has been crushed and he’s trying to emotionally distance himself from Elena, he still puts her safety and well-being at the top of his priority list and does what needs to be done, even if it means Elena may hate him for it. For him, Elena may hate him, but at least she’s still alive to do it.

And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it.

Amen sista! As far as I’m concerned that bed is Elena and Damon’s bed and KW and JP had lots of Damon/Elena goodness in mind when they picked that bed and designed that room. We’ve had lots of great Damon/Elena stuff happen in that bedroom and bathroom and I have a feeling we’re going to get plenty more. And on my own personal shallow note - How effing hot did Ian look all stretched out in that bed with the sheets just barely covering him? Oh sweet lord! I watched that scene over and over and over...

Elena showed her smarts again landing in that no-vampires-allowed room, and then reading Rebekah so well to keep herself alive (even if only to be Rebekah's torture-project). In their own ways, together, Elena and Damon really do make an awesome team, even when coming at it from different ends.

Elena is no dummy. She’s a smart girl. I think landing in the room may have been an accident, but still once she was in there she worked Rebekah and kept herself alive. I 100% agree. Damon and Elena make a great team, even when they work alone. The two are linked in more ways than one me thinks ;)

OMG! The whole Caroline/Elena/Bonnie scene at the end grabbed my heart and just wrenched it. Although I’m not a Bonnie fan, the girl has lost just as much as Elena has and all to keep her best friend safe and alive. Pretty freaking amazing best friend if you ask me. I’m glad that Caroline was the one to be there for Bonnie because Caroline is usually the odd man out when it comes to the three-way friendship, so it was good to see her step up to comfort Bonnie and most likely be there for Abby when she wakes up. It will be interesting to see how Bonnie reacts to Abby if she transitions and what their relationship will be like if she does.
Arabian: Elena-Caroline & Bonnie01arabian on February 19th, 2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
WORD! Once again Stefan sits back and tries to reason with a situation instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing what needs to be done.

A lot of people seemed to think that this was the plan, or that Damon and Stefan were working in tandem, but I even went through the sequence of events that we saw on screen, and it really makes no kind of logical sense any other way.

You’re right, it’s only when Damon’s life is on the line or the fact that Stefan is in “revenge” mode that he ACTUALLY acts. Let’s face it, even when the life of the woman he supposedly loves is on the line he can’t step up, grow a pair, and do what needs to be done.

Exactly! How anyone can not notice these glaring consistencies is beyond me. I just read something where someone referenced that Stefan has proven he would always do anything for Elena, and I'm like when? where? what channel? what version of this show are you watching?

What does that say about his feelings for Elena?

He loves her, but it's a very selfish kind of love where he puts his wants and needs first.

In contrast, Damon, even when his heart has been crushed and he’s trying to emotionally distance himself from Elena, he still puts her safety and well-being at the top of his priority list and does what needs to be done, even if it means Elena may hate him for it. For him, Elena may hate him, but at least she’s still alive to do it.

*sigh* I know!! That's my OTP!

As far as I’m concerned that bed is Elena and Damon’s bed and KW and JP had lots of Damon/Elena goodness in mind when they picked that bed and designed that room.

It's really the only thing that makes sense now. Three different women now he's sexed up and none of them have we witnessed him having any actual sexytiems in that bed with ... uh huh!

How effing hot did Ian look all stretched out in that bed with the sheets just barely covering him? Oh sweet lord!

Very, very, very hot!

I think landing in the room may have been an accident

I think it was an accident in that she was just running away at first, but I do think she recognized it once she got close up and thus that's why she went straight for what looked like a dead-end. She knew that Rebekah couldn't get in the room.

OMG! The whole Caroline/Elena/Bonnie scene at the end grabbed my heart and just wrenched it.

Yeah, I know. :(

Although I’m not a Bonnie fan, the girl has lost just as much as Elena has and all to keep her best friend safe and alive. Pretty freaking amazing best friend if you ask me.

She really has, and I'm kinda bummed at the amount of dislike and flat-out hate that Bonnie got for CAROLINE saying those words to Elena. Ugh.

I’m glad that Caroline was the one to be there for Bonnie because Caroline is usually the odd man out when it comes to the three-way friendship

It was that way in the beginning, but I haven't seen it as such in awhile. We've seen the girls all take turns comforting and being there for one another. Once Bonnie got past the fact that Caroline was a vampire, they've all been pretty good to each other, I think. I do think that at the end of the day, though, Bonnie and Elena are more besties than are Bonnie and Caroline, and Elena and Caroline, and that's why we see a bit more with those two now and again, but overall, they're MUCH better than they were in the beginning.
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tams71tams71 on February 17th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Part II

I don't think I'm the only one 'whatever'-ing this as it really felt like Paul Wesley has just checked out. I'm just not feeling anything from him anymore (in this, and last week's episode).

You are not the only one. Like we talked about last night, I feel the same way. I think that the first couple episodes you could tell that Paul was into the arc and was putting forth great effort to make it work, but I think he saw that the arc was dying and then he checked out. He just doesn’t seem invested anymore and quite frankly, I can’t blame him. What a letdown.

I love Klaus/Caroline; they are just too damn cute. Klaus and his courting behavior – Awwwww can he court me?

The dress thing, yeah. Your theory about Damon having a sewing kit and vamp-stitching it back to its pristine condition cracks me up. Unfortunately the ball was dropped and once again there was no follow through from one episode to the next. Fail TVD writers and PTB.

Forgive me, but even though Ric has been a colossal dick to Damon, I still love him. Please don’t let this be the end of my vampire hunter buddy! Yes he’s been awful to Damon lately, but he’s allowed to be a little peeved, Damon did snap his neck. I would be pissed too. Still, he is one of the few people (aside from Liz) that Damon can call friend. I want my bromance back!

Meredith – all I can see when I look at her is psycho Nanny Carrie from One Tree Hill. I don’t like her character and I wish she would die. She is pointless and I wish she would go back to Pretty Little Liars and put me out of my misery. And honestly I think Paul being one of the lead actors may have helped her get the gig, which I think is lame. There are so many other actresses that could have knocked that role out of the park.

So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season?

I’m leaning towards no on this one. I’m thinking that the spell was meant only for the five originals and now that the plan Esther put into motion has failed, the spell is null and void. She no longer has the Bennett witch bloodline to utilize and Bonnie stressed that Esther needed to harness Bonnie and Abby’s witchy energy, plus the energy of the long gone Bennett witches in order for the spell to work. She no longer has what she needs so I’m thinking the spell is broken.

I’m sure Esther and Finn will probably pop back up, but I think she would have to perform a new spell to accomplish her goal of killing her children. I also think that just because her children would have become human if the spell had succeeded that it would not have the same effect on all vampires. My theory is, even though all vampires are in some way connected to the Originals, the longer the Originals are around, the less it's their blood that sires new vampires. Not sure if that makes sense, but that’s my theory anyway.

If it did happen and Damon did become human again, I don’t think it would stick. While Damon has admitted that he longs to be human again, his human life wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. He always considered himself second choice to Stefan and he never really experienced true love from anyone other than Stefan and his mother (oh how I long for Damon/Momma Salvatore scenes). If he were to become human, I think he would enjoy experiencing what only a human can for a short time, but would miss the power and immortality that vampires have, especially if it meant there was a chance for he and Elena to be together for eternity. Also, how can he protect Elena and keep her safe if he is human? I’m sure it would play out well in regards to Damon/Elena as a couple in the short-term, but down the road I think it could be an obstacle or even a hindrance to their relationship.

It was a good episode and lived up to my expectations. I’m really looking forward to the introduction of Sage and the part she played in Damon becoming the man/vampire he is today. I only hope that her friendship/whatever with Damon will keep her from throwing him under the bus when it comes to fighting Klaus seeing as how we know she has a connection to the originals.


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Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on February 19th, 2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Part 1 of 2 to your Part 2 --

I think that the first couple episodes you could tell that Paul was into the arc and was putting forth great effort to make it work, but I think he saw that the arc was dying and then he checked out. He just doesn’t seem invested anymore

No, he doesn't and that does bum me out.

and quite frankly, I can’t blame him. What a letdown.

Well, I do agree at this stage, it's a letdown, but I still do blame him. It's his job, he's an actor and his job is to put forth 100% effort to the story he's supposed to tell even if he likes it or not. (I mean, we all know how much Ian hates the mushy, softer side of Damon, but it doesn't stop him from rocking the hell out of it every time he has to go there). Perhaps if it felt like Paul was actually trying to sell this, and maybe had he been selling moments/layers of remorse, fighting it, etc. over the course of the season till now, we *would* be feeling for Stefan. We *would* be more on his side instead of just thinking he's a whiny, pathetic asshole. So, I dunno.

Yes, the writers create the character and the arc, but an actor can bring something significant and real to it (Daniel Gillies, case in point -- Elijah was originally not planned to be as Daniel played him, but they loved his take on it, and then loved everything he brought to the character, so much more than anticipated, that instead of killing him, they kept him on.) So, yeah, I am disappointed in Paul Wesley. :( I know it sucks if they are going somewhere with Stefan he would prefer not, but, again, it's his job, and he could have been layering Stefan with stuff this season that allowed him to not be so one-dimensional whichever state he was in.

The dress thing, yeah. Your theory about Damon having a sewing kit and vamp-stitching it back to its pristine condition cracks me up.

I am SERIOUSLY considering writing a little fic about it, hah! (And then linking said fic to Julie Plec, Caroline Dries, Michael Narducci & Evan Bleiweiss, all tongue in cheek.)

Unfortunately the ball was dropped and once again there was no follow through from one episode to the next. Fail TVD writers and PTB.

I refuse to believe it is anything other than Damon's mad sewing skillz so no fail for me! :D

Yes he’s been awful to Damon lately, but he’s allowed to be a little peeved, Damon did snap his neck.

Then they need to TALK ABOUT IT! The show takes such care and effort with the girls' friendship, I so wish they would do the same for the guys.

I want my bromance back!

You give me my bromance back and Ric can live. But right now, all I'm getting is a cranky asshole who is stirring up fandom-shit with this supposedly (but SOOO not so) inappropriate relationship with Elena (okay, this isn't Ric's fault, LOL), spending time with Paul Wesley's wife and being a dick to Damon. Not very fun or interesting to watch. I want my bromance back! I want to love Ric again, but I really, really don't right now.

I think Paul being one of the lead actors may have helped her get the gig, which I think is lame.

I don't think so; she's auditioned for other roles before and didn't get the job. I think they just liked her for this role.

There are so many other actresses that could have knocked that role out of the park.

Unfortunately, with the exceptions of Elijah, Andie and Rebekah, I don't think they've hit it out of the park with ANY casting since season 01. It's very sad. And yeah, I'm not including Klaus. He's grown on me, but I still can think of quite a few actors who would have been better as Klaus. I do wonder if they got someone new from the second season on for casting. Hmmmm....

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eolivet on February 17th, 2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things.

THIS. Until you said it, I didn't get it -- and it has nothing to do with her being 18, IMO. He gets under her skin -- people say unthinking things at any age to those who get under their skin. I never thought of turning all those impulsive insults into something positive, but this makes TOTAL SENSE.

We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is, so I've decided that he has a little sewing kit and with his vampire speed, stitched that baby right back up to its former pristine glory. :)

HAHAHAHAHA!!! WIN. :D

I agree the light has gone out of Paul Wesley's eyes...give him some scenes with his wife, shake that boy up a bit. :)

TVD is in an interesting predicament with making the Originals SO engaging and likable (or at least love-to-hate-able ;p ) I wonder if one of them will become the Spike in their Scooby Gang... I really just couldn't BEAR to lose ALL of them!!! :(
Arabian: TVD-Cast02arabian on February 17th, 2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking they are working on doing that with Klaus with this Caroline angle. After all, he does desperately want to keep Elena alive, so there is that.

He gets under her skin -- people say unthinking things at any age to those who get under their skin. I never thought of turning all those impulsive insults into something positive, but this makes TOTAL SENSE.

Yup. :D
A lurking goblin marionettedanceinacircle on February 17th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
In the opening, I didn't get the vibe at all that she was calling Stefan about Damon. I got the impression that she was calling them both to tell them about the dead Originals thing, since she said the same thing to both - "we need to talk". She went over there because Damon was mean to her and Stefan didn't answer the phone.

Also with the coin toss, it read to me as they flipped, Stefan lost, they discussed, Damon said he'd do it, and that was that. Stefan said to Bonnie "one of you can't be a witch anymore", as Damon turned her mother. Stefan was distracting Bonnie, not preparing to kill her. Their later conversation, "I was supposed to be the one to turn Abby", shows that Stefan knew what Damon was doing, that's why Stefan was with Bonnie, not Abby. Divide and conquer.
Arabian: Kermitarabian on February 17th, 2012 11:49 pm (UTC)
In the opening, I didn't get the vibe at all that she was calling Stefan about Damon. I got the impression that she was calling them both to tell them about the dead Originals thing

No, she told Stefan that in the previous episode (I'm pretty sure) when they were at her house. And the "we" need to talk was to Damon.

That conversation between them at the end just read as Stefan surprised that Damon did what he did, so I don't see where you got that from.
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Wow, your reaction was absolutely wonderful.

"Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process." WOW. That's like DE-FAN Porno right there and I FUCKING LOVE IT.

Here are a couple I HAVE TO comment on:


"I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere."

THANK GOD you feel this too. This whole Elijah/Elena connection is getting ridiculous. There's been so much emphasis on it since he got de-daggered. I really, really, don't like it either.


"He probably did think that there was a little jealousy there, but more likely that it was based on him turning his attention elsewhere, as opposed to her being jealous because of her feelings for him."

OUR BOY :( Yes, that's totally Damon. I hate when he feels this way though.

"And on a more shallow note, while I will admit that I wasn't thrilled about seeing Rebekah in Damon's bed, the fact that we didn't see the sex scene there, as we didn't see Andie or Rose with Damon sexually in the bed either, gives me continued hope that when the show came up with that bed, the plan was for Elena to be the one -- the only one -- sharing Damon sexytiems in it."

LOL YES. We are all very speculative of this 'fact' on Twitter as well. That sexy times will happen for DE in his bed.

"We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is..."

POINTS FOR BRINGING THIS FACT UP. KUDOS. OCD!DAMON FTW.

"You choose to keep around a woman you all barely know over Bonnie?!?!?"

My head!canon is Stefan is madly in love with Abby, like he's met her before. Yes, this is crack. But seriously, what other explanation is there for that shitty decision on his part.

"- So Damon and/or Stefan is going to be turned into human by that Esther spell by the end of the season? Y/y? (Most likely Damon, unless Elena DOES choose to be with Damon, and then Stefan gets turned all human-y. Eh, still leaning towards Damon.) And if so, and if Elena does choose Damon that would be a VERY interesting "obstacle" for them, Damon has Elena, he's human, but he realizes he doesn't want to be a human anymore, he likes being a vampire."

YEAH. THIS WHOLE THING. I mean, wow, the possibilities. I've written fic about this whole thing over a year ago because this storyline is actually lifted from the book series. Let's see how they'll handle this Damon!Human stuff in the show. Wondering what the writers will do with such an idea.


Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 19th, 2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
Wow, your reaction was absolutely wonderful.

Well, thank you very much. :)

"Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process."

WOW. That's like DE-FAN Porno right there and I FUCKING LOVE IT.


It's just SO TRUE! And I really don't understand why more D/E fans aren't seeing this, but are instead choosing to bitch out Elena. *sigh*

"I don't buy it, and it really felt like this whole connection between them came from nowhere."

THANK GOD you feel this too. This whole Elijah/Elena connection is getting ridiculous. There's been so much emphasis on it since he got de-daggered. I really, really, don't like it either.


It just really bugs me because it came from NOWHERE! Before the daggering by Klaus, she worked with Elijah ONLY out of necessity, yes, she was empathetic, but Elena is that with EVERYBODY (except Katherine, LOL!). Then he betrayed them (in a way, that yes, she could understand, but still). That was their interaction prior to the dance episode. So, no, it makes no sense.

We are all very speculative of this 'fact' on Twitter as well. That sexy times will happen for DE in his bed.

Every time we know Damon is having sex with someone that is not Elena and we don't see it on that bed, my hope rises to the fore!

"We all know what a happy homemaker Damon is..."

POINTS FOR BRINGING THIS FACT UP. KUDOS. OCD!DAMON FTW.


I am so thinking of writing a fic about this!

My head!canon is Stefan is madly in love with Abby, like he's met her before. Yes, this is crack. But seriously, what other explanation is there for that shitty decision on his part.

I can only imagine one of two things: The first is that he believed he could convince Bonnie to do it since she was willing to die for Elena before, and the second, if he did this, yeah, Elena would really hate him and thus he could wallow in martyred self-loathing forever!

Edited at 2012-02-20 01:12 am (UTC)
Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellationsthesicko1012 on February 18th, 2012 04:53 am (UTC)
Uhg, I wish I had time for a big long response to this post, but sadly I don't. Oh well, once again you match a lot of the same thoughts I did and anything you thought differently makes a lot of logical sense. So I don't really have much to add anyway.

I just want to comment on the potential human!Damon thing. I think it is entirely possible. Especially since Stefan has said numerous times now how he can't be good enough for Elena, which means Damon definitely can't be either. But SURPRISE! Damon's human again. I don't know, it just kind of seems like a good set up for this particular storyline.

At first I was hoping that they would wait to either turn Damon into a human or Elena into a vampire until the end of the series. I have this weird thing about things changing so much within a single character and storyline, kind of disrupting the atmosphere of the show. It's not that it is bad in general, I am just one of those people who hates change. But of course I would really like to see on or the other at the end of the series, for it would be extremely significant for Damon and Elena's relationship and their future. But now, I can actually see an interesting storyline here. No matter how much Damon misses being human and even considering the fact that he didn't want to transition in the first place, I would still say that he would have some huge problems not being a vampire anymore. Main thing it would be harder to protect Elena. Also, gosh, after nearly a century and a half with all those heightened abilities, suddenly being powerless would make him feel like he just got a BIG dose of vervain without ever being able to get his strength back. It would take A LOT of adjustment.

One thing that I am really really hoping is that IF they do make him human that Elena choose him BEFORE he turns. Otherwise all we are ever going to hear is that Elena only chose him over Stefan because he is human and eventually Elena will go back to Stefan once she realizes his vampirism doesn't matter (twu wuv prevails all!). So many wouldn't understand that Elena would choose Damon as he is and that their love is REAL.



Edited at 2012-02-18 04:55 am (UTC)
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)05arabian on February 19th, 2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
once again you match a lot of the same thoughts I did and anything you thought differently makes a lot of logical sense.

I love fandom mind-twinsey-ness. :)

I just want to comment on the potential human!Damon thing. I think it is entirely possible. Especially since Stefan has said numerous times now how he can't be good enough for Elena, which means Damon definitely can't be either. But SURPRISE! Damon's human again. I don't know, it just kind of seems like a good set up for this particular storyline.

I agree; it really opens up so many character-driven possibilities that have been layered into the show from the beginning. :)

At first I was hoping that they would wait to either turn Damon into a human or Elena into a vampire until the end of the series. I have this weird thing about things changing so much within a single character and storyline, kind of disrupting the atmosphere of the show.

Aww, I've always wanted to have Elena choose to turn to a vampire at the end of season 05 (to be with Damon), and then we'd have season 06 be all about seeing a human to vampire transition from a LEAD character's point of view (since we did miss stuff with Caroline since she's not lead).

No matter how much Damon misses being human and even considering the fact that he didn't want to transition in the first place, I would still say that he would have some huge problems not being a vampire anymore. Main thing it would be harder to protect Elena. Also, gosh, after nearly a century and a half with all those heightened abilities, suddenly being powerless would make him feel like he just got a BIG dose of vervain without ever being able to get his strength back. It would take A LOT of adjustment..

Plus, add to that, it would kill him knowing that Stefan would live on without him, you know it would. And the pièce de résistance! When Damon turns back to a vampire -- as he so would -- it would be HIS choice, fully and completely.

One thing that I am really really hoping is that IF they do make him human that Elena choose him BEFORE he turns.

That's my theory on what's going to happen. Elena is going to choose to be with Damon towards the end of the season and then towards the end of the last episode, Damon will be turned back to human. That adds up this whole crazy new dymanic and non-Stefan-shaped obstacle to them.

Otherwise all we are ever going to hear is that Elena only chose him over Stefan because he is human and eventually Elena will go back to Stefan once she realizes his vampirism doesn't matter (twu wuv prevails all!). So many wouldn't understand that Elena would choose Damon as he is and that their love is REAL.

I'll be honest, I'd think that is what they are telling us. And it would really bum me out. Of course, if they are still sticking to this ludicrous 'must please all the fanbases -- never mind, that they ever seemed to think that was important to tell fandom during seasons 01 and 02 -- they may just go there to give the S/E fans that to keep them hanging on. In the end, though, I DO still 100% believe that Elena will choose vampire Damon, and she will choose to be a vampire to be with Damon. :)
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crowandfog: TVD: Damon I miss it more than anythingcrowandfog on February 18th, 2012 06:28 am (UTC)
I think I agree with most (like 95%) of what you said here.

Elena has a stepfather (which is technically what Alaric is)

I smile any time that someone points out this fact because (1) it is true and (2) it makes Alaric/Elena very, very creepy. People should recognize.

Speaking of which...what's up with everyone having so many love interests all of a sudden? It's like the writers are playing up every little bit of sexual tension that they can find. It seems like suggestive comments and/or body language are being added to each scene, and it's just weird. I should not be feeling romantic chemistry between every single character on the show.

Anyway, I don't have anything deep to say. Carry on.

P.S. I miss Jeremy, too. SO. MUCH.
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on February 18th, 2012 06:50 am (UTC)
it makes Alaric/Elena very, very creepy.

See, this is what kind of bothers me, how does it make it creepy? There is NOTHING inappropriate with how Elena and Alaric act on the show. NOTHING. There are no lingering touches or looks, no inappropriate late-night bedroom chats, no lounging in skimpy sleepwear on either of their parts, no innuendo, no ... well, nothing. He is the closest thing that she and Jeremy had to a parental figure after they lost everyone else. When Alaric "moved in," Jeremy was there. Just because Jeremy left, Alaric should suddenly stop being there for Elena? They are not inappropriate, they've never been inappropriate, he is a father figure for her with a dash of older brother-ness. Period.

Anyone who sees anything creepy there is just ignoring the fact that Nina Dobrev's a pretty damn good chemistry-maker and, yes, she and Matt Davis do have some chemistry -- that doesn't make the Elena/Alaric relationship as presented on the show inappropriate or creepy. He is her stepfather technically, he is not-so-technically but the closest thing she ever had (to someone she cared about) to an uncle. There has never been a hint on the show that he is anything other than the adult figure in her life who is helping her in a familial way. Fandom (any fandom) just now pairs up any two pretty actors with any kind of chemistry and it develops in their perception into this thing that wasn't intended and isn't really there on a show objectively.

Sorry, you clearly hit a sore spot, LOL!

Speaking of which...what's up with everyone having so many love interests all of a sudden?

Yeah, see I don't think they are connected at all. I just don't get it.

On the other hand, I do agree with you that the show is being whack with that with regards to the press build-up on this whole WTF? Elena/Elijah thing, if not on the show. And that's it, it's in the press. On the show, this supposed "connection" between Elena and Elijah isn't presented as romantic -- again, it's people seeing the chemistry between actors and creating this "romance" out of thin air, regardless of whether it has any basis for reality on the show).

I am very annoyed with the cast/crew for playing into though because, my God!, don't they get enough flack over the the Damon/Elena vs Elena/Stefan shippers? Why on earth are they trolling for a third (as they briefly did with Matt/Elena -- which pretty much went nowhere, and again, REALLY didn't exist as anything OTHER than friendship on the show). Then the last few weeks, they were trolling for a fourth with Elena and Elijah. I swear, the press/soundbites/tweets, etc. from TPTB for this show need a crash course on how to not PISS OFF FANS ... because the are way to good at doing it.

It's like the writers are playing up every little bit of sexual tension that they can find. It seems like suggestive comments and/or body language are being added to each scene, and it's just weird. I should not be feeling romantic chemistry between every single character on the show.

See, I don't see it that way. I think the suggestive comments/body language is ONLY there for the intended romantic partners. I don't see it AT ALL with Elena and Alaric, or even Elena and Elijah. The former have a familial connection, and the latter have a moral connection (of sorts), there is nothing romantic or sexual at all in either relationship as presented on the show.

Yeah, sorry, really sore spot. This has been growing in bugging-build-up for me, and you opened the door giving me the outlet to discuss it.

It is cool to see us in agreement (almost entirely) about an episode again, though. :)

P.S. I miss Jeremy, too. SO. MUCH. </i. Me too!! I really, really miss him. COME BACK, JEREMY!

Edited at 2012-02-18 06:59 am (UTC)
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roselani24: Ian and Nina close up #58 by arabianroselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:04 am (UTC)
Part 1
Great review Arabian! :)

I wanted to re-watch the episode before I commented on it, so here goes.

Re Elena’s calling the Salvatores, specifically Damon and her wakeup call about him. So Much Word! I admit my gut reaction when I saw that scene was partial shock and disgust for how coldly Elena told Damon to get over it. She has used her emotional power over Damon deliberately before and seen the consequences hence the Damon being self-destructive comment so it really just rocked me that she could act like that when Damon openly declared he loved her (and it’s been obvious for almost a year at least). How blind she is! But, on a rewatch it also really struck me as in character for Miss Queen of Denial and for the expected rate of how fast Damon ‘gets over’ stuff. One of the great things about Damon is, let’s see if I can word this right, how he doesn’t take most things personally. Like Stefan snapping his neck and back in the last episode. He was over that pretty fast, more concerned with Elena’s foolish decision making.

And her lack of empathy about Damon in this instance when she's normally so empathetic to everyone? Well, Damon isn't just anybody. It's Damon. He arouses her passions, he confuses her, frustrates her, makes her feel things that she doesn't understand and so the eighteen-year old that she is lashes out and says mean things, unthinking things. It's all in character, and it's all part of the process. Perfectly said!!!! And a great reminder for me as a viewer that she is still very young and learning.

I also really got a kick out of how jealous Elena really was of Rebekah with Damon. She even told Ric! That for me was the real kicker because its kinda expected that she would vent to Bonnie and/or Caroline, but she certainly didn’t have to talk with Ric.

Okay, the rest is gonna be a breakdown by character, for the most part, lol, just cause that’s how I roll. :P
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
Great review Arabian! :)

You can call me by my name, Jennifer. :)

I admit my gut reaction when I saw that scene was partial shock and disgust for how coldly Elena told Damon to get over it.

See, that line itself never bothered me because, well, it just confirmed my belief that she didn't get how upset he was.

I also really got a kick out of how jealous Elena really was of Rebekah with Damon. She even told Ric! That for me was the real kicker because its kinda expected that she would vent to Bonnie and/or Caroline, but she certainly didn’t have to talk with Ric.

Yeah, I even missed that part in my recital above. Girl basically vented about it to EVERYONE she came into contact with, it bothered her that much, LOL!
roselani24: BFFs #15 by arabianroselani24 on February 18th, 2012 10:06 am (UTC)
Part 2

Let’s start with Ric. Him giving Damon a hard time for sleeping with Rebekah felt very in character for him as of late and also came across as a father being protective of his daughter and chiding of a friend he cares about too. Ric’s date with Meredith was also interesting in a mild way. He clearly doesn’t seem to be as at ease and as happy as he was with Jenna, IMO. In their interaction, it really struck me more as Ric needing another adult not wholly involved in the crazy situation he’s in with Elena and the Salvatore brothers but who was also aware of vampires and so on so he could just have someone to talk to. I think Ric just really needs another adult in his life who he can really talk to and trust. No lies like with Jenna. I still remember how happy and relieved he was when Jenna knew what was going on. *sniffles* I miss Jenna! Did I mention I love how Damon sussed out where Ric was and who he was with and was a bit protective? Cause really, I loved that. And I foresee one pissed off vampire in the next eppy when he finds out Meredith went after Ric.! Squee! :D

Ric’s discovery of Meredith’s involvement in the recent murders didn’t surprise me. Logically it works that Meredith wasn’t working alone because she knew too much when she came IMO. At this point, I highly suspect Meredith is working with Katherine. Or it may be the new character coming in the episode in March, Sage. The timing is a bit of coincidence to me. As for Meredith’s shooting Ric, well, getting shot doesn’t mean he’ll die. Plenty of people survive gunshots on TV. And he could still dive out of the way…if he had any survivalist instinct but Ric’s seems to be abnormally low, so who knows. Either way I won’t believe he dead until I see it. I refuse to believe that Damon and Elena just lost Ric. Refuse! Even though Ric’s been an idiot and jerk lately, I still love him. If I can like Elena despite her being an absolute brat the past few episodes, I can like Ric who is suffering an early mid-life crisis. :)

Stefan. Ah Stefan. I completely agree with your take on his story right now and also on Paul Wesley checking out in terms of his acting. Earlier this season, I felt he was really bringing it as Ripper Stefan, but now…I just don’t get it. We should have SEEN this stuff with Stefan! And Paul really needs to work on nuanced acting and adding layers without using words. I think we were meant to suspect Stefan wasn’t drinking human blood because it also fits the timing of when he really started to hide/fake he wasn’t feeling anything. Although I was watching “Homecoming” a few days ago and the final scene with Kat and Stef in the car really struck me. Kat told Stefan he had to let the feelings in because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to get mad enough to seek revenge. And he did. Stefan has been feeling, truly feeling, since he was freed of Klaus’ compulsion. First it was anger and the desire for revenge, but that seems to be how it usually starts. Once those feelings are felt by a vampire, the rest just seem to follow. The problem is Paul’s acting, in combination with the scripts, did not convey this well enough to the audience IMO. It was too remote and understated to even be noted.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on February 19th, 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Him giving Damon a hard time for sleeping with Rebekah felt very in character

Yeah, it wasn't his comment that bothered me, that was very typical of the Damon/Ric relationship BEFORE. My problem is that with that quick conversation, it came across to me as if we were NOT supposed to get the impression that Ric has been a complete asshole to Damon for a few months now! Which means, there will be no follow-through, no fall-out, nothing, just same ole', Damon's treated like crap, moving along now.

I foresee one pissed off vampire in the next eppy when he finds out Meredith went after Ric.! Squee! :D

If Ric doesn't die, and we get some genuine affection/gratitude from Ric's side to Damon, I'll squee with you.

Logically it works that Meredith wasn’t working alone [...] I highly suspect Meredith is working with Katherine.

But Katherine would have NO REASON to take out the council. She knows that Damon is the head of it, and he isn't going to have them target her anymore.

As for Meredith’s shooting Ric, well, getting shot doesn’t mean he’ll die. Plenty of people survive gunshots on TV.

Very true.

If I can like Elena despite her being an absolute brat the past few episodes

Aww, see I don't think she's been a brat at all. :( Even in my emotional post after 3.14, I wasn't mad at my poor Elena, I blamed my issues with her all on Stefan, LOL!

I can like Ric who is suffering an early mid-life crisis. :)

Hah! That could be the answer right there!

Earlier this season, I felt he was really bringing it as Ripper Stefan, but now…I just don’t get it.

I have to say that I'm not even feeling that so much now either due to some responding I've done to people in this thread. Perhaps if it felt like Paul was actually trying to sell this, and maybe had he been selling moments/layers of remorse, fighting it, etc. over the course of the season till now, we *would* be feeling for Stefan. We *would* be more on his side instead of just thinking he's a whiny, pathetic asshole. So, I dunno. Yes, I know it sucks if they are going somewhere with Stefan he would prefer not, but it's his job, and again, he could have been layering Stefan with stuff this season that allowed him to not be so one-dimensional whichever state he was in. Because, when you think about it, he DID make Ripper!Stefan pretty one-dimensional, and compelled-revenge-kick!Stefan was one-dimensional, and now we're back to two different sides of ass-y Stefan and martyred Stefan, but they're both one-dimensional and they simply do not co-exist. I mean, think of my favorite Damon moment from season 01 when he told Stefan that he didn't get to feel his guilt, that it was Damon's to feel, if he wanted to. Damon was being an asshole to Stefan (especially considering what Stefan had just put himself through), and yet, even through that, we still got layers, we got Damon's self-loathing, his love for his brother. We got layers.

We should have SEEN this stuff with Stefan! And Paul really needs to work on nuanced acting and adding layers without using words.

HAHAHAHAH! I read this post of yours after you wrote it, but didn't have time to respond until now, and have just been responding along as I read each section, and to see you wrote a much more succinct version of what I just did above, LOL!

I think we were meant to suspect Stefan wasn’t drinking human blood because it also fits the timing of when he really started to hide/fake he wasn’t feeling anything. [...] Kat told Stefan he had to let the feelings in because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to get mad enough to seek revenge. [...] Stefan has been feeling, truly feeling, since he was freed of Klaus’ compulsion. [...]The problem is Paul’s acting, in combination with the scripts, did not convey this well enough to the audience IMO. It was too remote and understated to even be noted.

This above actually makes me lay the blame more squarely on Paul frankly. Because obviously it HAS been there in the scripts. It's the actor who didn't play it out. :(
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