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10 February 2012 @ 01:18 am
3.14 - 'Dangerous Liaisons' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The Vampire Diaries aired tonight; so of course, it's now time for lots of words. :)

Getting the negative out of the way first because I do have a lot of negative I need to vent, folks. I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.

Clearly, nothing anyone does bad on this show is ever going to be held against them ... unless they are Damon Salvatore. Elena clearly doesn't care about all that Stefan did, nope, she's all 'Feel something for me,' holding onto his face, wanting him to be with her in the moment, kiss her, love her. Caroline clearly doesn't care that Klaus has terrorized all of them, killed people they know, people they don't, sire-bonded Tyler to him, nope, she's all 'Ooh, he bought me a pretty dress! He's an artist! He drew a pretty picture of me!' let's get sentimental over him.

Which of these things is not the like the other? Oh, right, Damon -- he can never be forgiven or treated with any kind of understanding. No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting. rose_marie_rose had made me feel better by pointing out that people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good. In that case you tend to remember the good. However, that doesn't work now because of ... the attitude/reaction to Klaus, and Caroline preferring Stefan -- who killed tons of people, including two classmates, and terrorized Elena (of his own free will) -- to be with Elena, rather than Damon, and Elena being all 'Oh, Stefan! Feel something for me, bb!' Yeah.

So all ships out there, whose characters were featured tonight, this is what they got --

Caroline/Tyler - Him telling her he loved her, her defending him, and trying to leave calls for him because she misses and worries for him so.

Caroline/Matt - Jealousy over Rebekah to the point that she chooses to go to the ball as Klaus' date essentially.

Caroline/Klaus - Pretty dresses and drawings as presents, sweet talk and intrigued/adoring looks throughout the evening, including the dance (from both of them), delving into each other's lives and sharing.

Stefan/Elena - Longing looks, tension-filled moments during the dance, reminders of how he let her do whatever she wanted (even if it meant walking to her death), face-holding, obvious signs of how deep their twu wuv is.

Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.

Damon/Elena - Damon struck upon seeing Elena enter, Damon telling Elena she looked stunning ... all on Damon's part, of course, and then we get to the "good" stuff: Damon manhandling Elena, about twenty seconds of a dance where they barely acknowledged each other, Damon telling Elena he loved her in the middle of venting at her, and her responding that it's wrong (although, she did mention later that she didn't mean it, big fucking deal when taking everything else into account), Elena assuming the worst of Damon when he saved Matt's life (who you know isn't going to mention that Damon went after Kol to SAVE MATT'S LIFE!), Damon being told by Stefan(!) that he doesn't let Elena make her own choices or do anything, Damon fucking Rebekah.

Yeah, which thing here is not like the other? Oh, right, Damon and Elena -- because dagnabbit, the Damon/Elena fanbase had a WHOLE SIX EPISODES where they kinda acknowledged that there's something maybe real there ... amidst Elena's continued uber feelings of twu wuv for Stefan ... because Julie and Kevin don't want the Stefan/Elena fanbase to feel that their couple doesn't still have a shot! (As if...)

And I don't get it. Everything that is awesome about Elena pretty much goes down the drain with Stefan. Instead of the smart, ass-kicking, awesome woman we've known this season, she becomes this pathetic, clinging, submissive girl with Stefan. This is the guy who threatened to kill her on the bridge where her parents died JUST FOR REVENGE and three episodes later, she is BEGGING him to show that he feels something for her. Give me a fucking break. This season has gradually given us an Elena Gilbert who is strong, proud and all-around bad-ass. This episode, where she's once more in Stefan's sphere, all of that went bye-bye.

Look, I was bummed after delving into all the spoilers, and my lovely flist cheered me up. One of the key things that worked was despite how damn unfair the cast/crew are to the Damon/Elena fanbase in press, on the show we are getting an in-depth, well-crafted love story for our couple. That's not quite flying now. I'm beyond frustrated with the fact that for two seasons running now, Kevin Williamson and Julie Plec have gone out of their way to assure Stefan/Elena fans that all will be well, and yet there was no concern for all the misery that Damon/Elena fans went though last season. And NOW when there's actual Damon/Elena content -- which is naturally on the downswing after only six friggin' episodes (barely) -- they talk about how they want to make sure they keep both fanbases happy and sticking with them. Funny how that wasn't a concern when Stefan/Elena fans were having sunshine blown up their couple's ass last season. However, I could try and push that aside as long as we got fair balance on the show. Tonight? Proved that maybe, just maybe, that wasn't happening.

Sigh, okay, venting done. Time for mostly positive thoughts now. :)

Outside of the shipper stuff ...

- I really like Esther; I love her plan, and I love how she's accomplishing it. I was a little iffy on Alice Evans in the first scene (with Klaus), but with Elena and then with Finn, I just loved her. Wonderful job. And I found out something quite interesting, when she said that she kills Klaus, it will kill all of her children, I thought: Good, I don't want any of the Originals beyond this season. They worked in season 02 and are working for me in season 03, but I do want them all gone by season 04. Yes, even Elijah and Rebekah. I love them, but I love the core cast, the Mystic Falls residents I know and love more. I want them front and center.

- I also really liked Finn. That he knew Esther's plan and was willing to go along with it was really awesome, I thought. There was a gentle, quiet strength about the actor that I genuinely liked.

- I thought of the three girls in ball gowns, Caroline by FAR looked the best. Elena's dress was way too busy, and I didn't like Rebekah's hairstyle.

- Continuing on the shallow note, HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!

- The Damon/Carol discussion was just awesome. I find it sad, but there it is, that Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.

- I loved the blood forming a family tree on the parchment at the end, very cool. Speaking of, I think THAT should have been the end, not Damon and Rebekah getting it on, because that was really cool!

- Speaking of the getting it on, yeah, I stand by what I wrote in "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Ian Somerhalder and Claire Holt just don't have great chemistry. There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder, but overall, yeah, it just wasn't that hot for me, and I watched it a few times. On that note, I'm sorry but the vamp-speed during vamp-on-vamp sex just kills the flow. I mean, I never mentioned it before, but even in the Damon/Katherine scene in "The Return," when they vamped from the wall to the table, it always takes me out just a little. The only reason they get away with it is because the Nina Dobrev/Somerhalder chemistry is so ridiculously hot.

- Despite my bitching above, I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus. But hey, he's not Damon. That explains it.

- I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season. Other than when he's snarking, there's really no difference from this Stefan than from season 01/02 Stefan. There are no gradient shades of characterization. He's just Stefan. And Wesley is showing the same skill level we've seen all along.

In closing, taking the Damon/Elena shipper side out of it, it was a really good episode. Not great, I didn't think it was great, but it was really good. (Better than last week for sure!) This was definitely not as weak as "Memory Lane," but it is my second-least favorite Caroline Dries episode. :( And putting the Damon/Elena shipper back into the game, I did love Damon's expression when he saw Elena walk in. Alas, that was pretty much the only moment as a Damon/Elena fan that I could truly enjoy ... and even that was all from Damon's point-of-view. Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance. I mean, really, it took all of two episodes after Wickery Bridge for Elena to once more cut Damon out of the loop and start conspiring with Stefan again? Wow!

Look, I know it's going to be a long road ahead for Damon/Elena and Damon, I just wish they would balance out the playing field in terms of how the other characters treat Damon. Plus, start giving the Damon/Elena fanbase some genuine, non-Stefan/Elena-flavored pep talking in their press. And on the show! Please, on the show, give us something more, anything more. We NEED more from Elena's side. I really hope and pray that this will open the door to Damon pulling away from Elena emotionally so that she can OPEN UP HER EYES and realize that she DOES care about him. Because nothing else is sinking that message home clearly. And one thing I do trust in indubitably is that we are supposed to believe that Elena DOES care about him.

However, as of now, she treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and that she does misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

* Hah, unless, he's now suddenly -- and so inexplicably -- the "liability."

Hope springs eternal. I mean, I do think we'll get something great and wondrous and awesome with Damon and Elena eventually. It's just going to take time.

Patience, grasshopper, patience. I know. :)

ETA: I wrote a follow-up that really deals with and makes me feel better about my major issues with the episode here.
 
 
 
Jude: tvd; elijah pants offdanceonstardust on February 10th, 2012 06:51 am (UTC)
Well said friend, well said.

Although, I actually saw this a blip of the radar because we saw that Elena just went guilty after saying that. I'm just a little miffed about her doing the whole thing with Stefan.

Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.

This made me want to see moments with Elijah and Talia(sp?) the original doppelganger. Just grrr chemistry. I love their chemistry too. Especially in the beginning moment when he handled Rebekah for her. The way they looked at each other... HOT. DAMN YOU DANIEL GILLIES. *drools*

Despite my bitching above, I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus. But hey, he's not Damon. That explains it.

HEHE! Yeah I agree because Klaus is supposed to be evil~ for crying out loud. But I still loved their moments so much. Damn it.

I thought of the three girls in ball gowns, Caroline by FAR looked the best.
That color, it was gorgeous. WANT. Klaus has good taste.


However, as of now, she treat him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and she misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

THISSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I'm not so angry because I'm optimistic. Plus, without all this drama, it would make it boring (even though Stefan/Elena are already there).


Edited at 2012-02-10 06:52 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elijah02arabian on February 10th, 2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
Well said friend, well said.

And I've calmed and am feeling better about it from a logical, in-character point of view, LOL! (linky to *that* post!) I'm still annoyed with Plec, Williamson and Dries though. (I'm unfollowing them. Hah! Take that!)

Although, I actually saw this a blip of the radar because we saw that Elena just went guilty after saying that. I'm just a little miffed about her doing the whole thing with Stefan.

Sigh. In retrospect, thinking it through, it DOES make sense, and we DID have that immediate guilty reaction.

RE: Elena/Elijah -- This made me want to see moments with Elijah and Talia(sp?) the original doppelganger. Just grrr chemistry. I love their chemistry too.

I WANT ELIJAH AND KATHERINE! But clearly based on all interviews, "Klaus" was some random fluke, okay then.

Sigh. Our Damon/Elena time WILL come. It will!

Heh, to your icon. :)
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gidget_84: alaric smilegidget_84 on February 10th, 2012 07:18 am (UTC)
I feel like I can't say much, because most of episode is a big blur of REALLY not liking Elena, I already told badboy_fangirl that I couldn't downright hate Elena, but just have a lot of dislike/disdain for her character right now. You're completely right, Damon is her sexless boyfriend, and I want her to walk in on him sexing up whoever he wants to..just to twist the knife a little lol..gah I sound so mean..lol

But yeah, Damon needs to take that break from her, she needs to start coming to him instead of the other way around. She needs to feel and see what she is missing, it really needs to hit home for her that it would truly and utterly break her heart if he left or if something happened to him.

Klaus/Caroline I ship, so I adored their scenes together, and it was a nice break from the Elena/Damon/Stefan crap. But I'm glad Caroline is being cautious with him because we don't really know what his true intentions are.

I vented in modbelle's journal..which I seriously feel bad for now..but I'm kinda afraid to write my own review, as most of it will be venting. Hmm, we'll see. Otherwise..I can only hope as you do that everything will come together perfectly by the end of the series.

In the meantime..I missed Alaric in this episode..can Damon go and cry on his shoulder? Do you think Ric would even let him? I wanna see them be BFF's again so much :) Even just Alaric saying.."Elena, you need to cut Damon some slack" would be good enough for me.

So I leave you with Alaric's "hopeful" smile :)
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on February 10th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
I feel like I can't say much, because most of episode is a big blur of REALLY not liking Elena

You've probably seen my new post pop up that makes Elena's actions work a LOT more for me. I still don't like them so much, but I do completely understand them now.

Damon needs to take that break from her, she needs to start coming to him instead of the other way around. She needs to feel and see what she is missing, it really needs to hit home for her that it would truly and utterly break her heart if he left or if something happened to him.

This. SO MUCH THIS!

I can only hope as you do that everything will come together perfectly by the end of the series.

I'm optimistic, and I hope that reading my follow-up post helps with this episode a bit. :)

In the meantime..I missed Alaric in this episode..can Damon go and cry on his shoulder? Do you think Ric would even let him? I wanna see them be BFF's again so much :)

Nope, sadly, I have little hope that Alaric is going to be anything other than a dick to Damon. I hope there's a reason, I hope something changes/or explains it, but right now, Ric can stay away as far as I'm concerned because he's just pissing me off. Ric and I are on a break right now. Uh huh.
x5valex5vale on February 10th, 2012 08:32 am (UTC)
|For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.
that was what I was worried about...how the others see him, because hell no he wasn't self destructive at all.

Clearly, nothing anyone does bad on this show is ever going to be held against them ... unless they are Damon Salvatore. Elena clearly doesn't care about all that Stefan did, nope, she's all 'Feel something for me,' holding onto his face, wanting him to be with her in the moment, kiss her, love her. Caroline clearly doesn't care that Klaus has terrorized all of them, killed people they know, people they don't, sire-bonded Tyler to him, nope, she's all 'Ooh, he bought me a pretty dress! He's an artist! He drew a pretty picture of me!' let's get sentimental over him.
THIS!
God and I thought you might calm me down :)

No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting.
Wow we wrote the same things.

people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good.
I agree, but it doesn't comfort me.


Elena/Elijah *(Ooh! A new one!) - Understanding looks, conspiring together, guilt on Elena's side for lying to his face over the plot to kill him.
I wish Elijah soon realizes it.

Elena assuming the worst of Damon when he saved Matt's life (who you know isn't going to mention that Damon went after Kol to SAVE MATT'S LIFE!)
I just hope this will be pointed out at least by Matt.

Damon being told by Stefan(!) that he doesn't let Elena make her own choices or do anything
this made me laugh...bitter laugh but still.

because Julie and Kevin don't want the Stefan/Elena fanbase to feel that their couple doesn't still have a shot! (As if...)
That interview hit me...they are giving somthing to both the shippers and it's ok, it's a triangle. But to be a real triangle, it must be real and it's not if they rush the things as they have done in this episode. Messing up with D/E before they even start to have something it's just wrong.

she becomes this pathetic, clinging, submissive girl with Stefan.
I think she needs to know that Stefan still can feel and love her, partially because she still loves him and I guess also because she feels that she hasn't been a enough to push him to save himself. I think it's fair she tries to get the old Stefan back, I just don't like how they have handled it in this episode.

They worked in season 02 and are working for me in season 03, but I do want them all gone by season 04. Yes, even Elijah and Rebekah. I love them, but I love the core cast, the Mystic Falls residents I know and love more. I want them front and center.
I agree.


Caroline by FAR looked the best.
No context.

Continuing on the shallow note, HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!
Ehemmm he looked hot in all the episode. PERIOD.

The Damon/Carol discussion was just awesome. I find it sad, but there it is, that Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.
Because they are not biased and there is no background history.

There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder
I didn't like her at all...her expressions were too strong, but Damon/Ian with the clothes ripped out..well I can take it every day!

I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season.
You and me both.


I really hope and pray that this will open the door to Damon pulling away from Elena emotionally so that she can OPEN UP HER EYES and realize that she DOES care about him. Because nothing else is sinking that message home clearly. And one thing I do trust in indubitably is that we are supposed to believe that Elena DOES care about him.
Amen.





Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
I'm not going to address the Stefan, Damon, Elena stuff because of my follow-up post and your response, just the other stuff. :)

That [JP/KW]interview hit me...they are giving somthing to both the shippers and it's ok, it's a triangle. But to be a real triangle, it must be real and it's not if they rush the things as they have done in this episode. Messing up with D/E before they even start to have something it's just wrong.

Yeah, and I still wonder where all this concern for the D/E fanbase was last season? Nope, the only reassuring I recall is Plec on Twitter to S/E fans going crazy over the preview with Stefan/Katherine for "By the Light of the Moon."

RE: Carol/Liz -- Because they are not biased and there is no background history.

But there IS background history. Damon/Caroline, for Liz, and Damon flat-out being a vampire for Carol and Liz.
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traciaknowstraciaknows on February 10th, 2012 11:03 am (UTC)
Thanks for putting all my feelings in one place. The whole dynamic of - Damon's bad, somehow it will always be Damon's fault just pisses me off. If we don't get some kind of payoff I'm going to be done. Or at least I'm going to try to be done.

This ep was just so disappointing to me.
Arabian: Ian & Nina02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know, but it does all make sense, and it is a journey. I hope if you read my follow-up post, it will help a bit. :)
eolivet on February 10th, 2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
UGH!!! This ep frustrated the heck out of me. It actually made me see there's very little between Klaus and Caroline, to the point where it looks like a one-sided crush until...he draws her a picture with a horse? I'm not sold on pretty much the only scene of them having chemistry was when she was freaking out of it with a werewolf bite. Because when garden variety scenes between them means she treats him with contempt, and it's not even like chemistry-laden contempt...I found myself going "...I found them hot WHY?"

And I'm beating my head against the wall that Damon GRABBED ELENA'S ARM. :headdesk: (oh, now my head is on my desk). NOOOOOOOO!!!! UGH! Bad Boyfriend Behavior 101. The line that really made me scream was Elena telling Stefan "Oh, you've always let me make my own choices!" Which was meant to paint as Damon's care for Elena's safety = taking away her freewill or something. ARGH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!! At least Damon admitted his "weakness" but GAH.

Also didn't care for? Damon dancing with Elena, THEN Stefan dancing with Elena. :facepalm: I know, could mean nothing -- but I'm not liking that symbolism...

AND WHY DOES ELIJAH HAVE AN AMERICAN ACCENT WHEN HIS WHOLE FAMILY HAS ENGLISH ACCENTS?! Even the slightest little things bugged me...

(Sorry I guess I turned this into my own rant, but why? WHY???? After the EW picture too??!!! :( )
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)07arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:10 pm (UTC)
UGH!!! This ep frustrated the heck out of me.

Rethinking made me feel better. It does actually all make sense character-wise. It's a journey, I just have to keep reminding myself it's a journey!

It actually made me see there's very little between Klaus and Caroline

I did enjoy them, I admit. Sorry you didn't. :(

And I'm beating my head against the wall that Damon GRABBED ELENA'S ARM. :headdesk: (oh, now my head is on my desk). NOOOOOOOO!!!! UGH! Bad Boyfriend Behavior 101.

He's done that before, though, in "The Sacrifice." He does tend to be grabby when he's afraid for her life AND she's just made a REALLY stupid decision that could conceivably could make her dead! Fortunately, it doesn't happen often, but I still didn't like it.

The line that really made me scream was Elena telling Stefan "Oh, you've always let me make my own choices!" Which was meant to paint as Damon's care for Elena's safety = taking away her freewill or something. ARGH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!! At least Damon admitted his "weakness" but GAH.

I don't like it, but it is in character for Elena as we saw last season.

Also didn't care for? Damon dancing with Elena, THEN Stefan dancing with Elena. :facepalm: I know, could mean nothing -- but I'm not liking that symbolism...

Oh, that didn't bother me in and of itself. I was just annoyed that we got NOTHING with the D/E dance part of it. I mean, we got the ultra-romantic Damon seeing Elena walk in and be awestruck, and Stefan didn't get that moment.

AND WHY DOES ELIJAH HAVE AN AMERICAN ACCENT WHEN HIS WHOLE FAMILY HAS ENGLISH ACCENTS?! Even the slightest little things bugged me...

I think I really don't care about accents because it never bugs me, LOL!

(Sorry I guess I turned this into my own rant, but why? WHY???? After the EW picture too??!!! :( )

Hopefully, my follow-up post will make you feel better. :)


Edited at 2012-02-10 11:10 pm (UTC)
archangel_blood: heartbeatsarchangel_blood on February 10th, 2012 01:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah, just... all of this.

You know, I really had to go hide under a rock after last night because all the Elena hating and name calling going on everywhere was frankly embarrassing. I'm just popping in here because I was sure you are one of the few people I know who wouldn't get sucked into the hate parade and I'm glad I was right.

However, I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.

I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at him all starry-eyed. I don't want that for her. It pains me to watch this and it doesn't have anything to do with me being a DE fan. This is all about Elena. I love the girl and I just want her to stand up for herself. I understand it must be hard, first love and all but I really, really want to at least see her TRY. The fact that she looked about ready to fall into Stefan's arms for a moment there just upset me. She should've been angry, hurt and she should've shown him every chance she got that she's working with him out of necessity, not by choice.

My heart is breaking for Damon. They just can't decide what they want from him - he doesn't care enough, he cares too much, he can never win. However, Elena did immediately feel sorry for saying what she said. I keep telling myself that she's just a stupid, bratty teenager and most teenagers do lash out like that. They would say whatever they think would hurt their opponent most without really meaning it or considering the consequences because, well, they're brats and Elena is no different, regardless of how mature she sometimes appears to be. We've all been there, I suppose - with parents, high school boyfriends, siblings. At one point or another, teenagers say stuff like "I hate you", "You're the worst parents ever" or "I don't wanna see you ever again" without really meaning any of it. Or was it just me? Was I the teenager from hell? lol

Also, I said that I want Elena to stand up for herself and I mean that, even if I think that she was wrong in this instance. Still, she did what she thought was right and I cannot be a hypocrite by only wanting her to be strong and independent with Stefan.

Oh, and I might have cheered a bit at D/R hooking up. Look at our boy, all mature and grown up. He's not killing random ladies when he's hurt anymore, he's just fucking them now. A definitive progress! lol Plus, I do want to see Elena's face when she finds out about this. Girl is in dire need of a wake up call.

Also:

- I get that Caroline still holds a grudge and Damon will probably never be one of her fave people. But honestly, her Stefan stanning is a little inappropriate at this point. Considering how he spent the last few months and him trying to kill Elena and all. Just saying.
- I hated Elena's dress. Sorry, it needed to be said. It was huge and sparkly and... huge, and it made her look like a cake with sickly looking glazing. Caroline's dress, however, I adored. Klaus's taste is impeccable, gotta give him that.
- I'm firmly on the Klaus/Caroline shippers list now. Huh. Yes, I'm kinda surprised myself.
- I love Elijah with all my heart. It freaking hurt to see Elena betray him like that, even if I understand her logic. Sorta.

Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)05arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
And I feel better about it now.

I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.

Nah, it's not bad writing (although, I was clearly pissed last night, LOL!). It is completely in character, as I detailed in my follow-up post. This does make sense. And this IS a journey.

I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at him all starry-eyed.

This I agree with, and I think it's going to be her journey to realize she can't go back, and he's NOT that guy.

My heart is breaking for Damon. They just can't decide what they want from him - he doesn't care enough, he cares too much, he can never win.

Yup.

However, Elena did immediately feel sorry for saying what she said. I keep telling myself that she's just a stupid, bratty teenager and most teenagers do lash out like that.

Yup.

Still, she did what she thought was right and I cannot be a hypocrite by only wanting her to be strong and independent with Stefan.

Lol, yup!

Oh, and I might have cheered a bit at D/R hooking up. Look at our boy, all mature and grown up. He's not killing random ladies when he's hurt anymore, he's just fucking them now. A definitive progress! lol Plus, I do want to see Elena's face when she finds out about this. Girl is in dire need of a wake up call.

I KNOW!!!

- I get that Caroline still holds a grudge and Damon will probably never be one of her fave people. But honestly, her Stefan stanning is a little inappropriate at this point. Considering how he spent the last few months and him trying to kill Elena and all. Just saying.

I talked about this in the follow-up post too. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean that it actually doesn't make sense. *sigh*

- I hated Elena's dress.

I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it. Klaus does have impeccable taste, though. Caroline's dress? WHEE!

- I love Elijah with all my heart. It freaking hurt to see Elena betray him like that, even if I understand her logic. Sorta.

I'm still pissed at Daniel, I can't get over that yet, LOL!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - What? (Stefan)butterfly on February 10th, 2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, last night's episode was... frustrating in a lot of ways.

I think that the only thing I disagree with you about is that vamp-speed during sex doesn't throw me out of the moment and the Damon/Rebekah thing worked for me. I don't mind that they don't have as much chemistry because it was obviously not at all romantic and just the two of them working out frustration.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, last night's episode was... frustrating in a lot of ways.

I feel better. See my follow-up post. Yay!

Eh, the vamp speed just doesn't do it for me, LOL! I don't mind that they didn't have much chemistry, it just made it hard for me to get into even the non-romantic heat of it. Ah well.
ancholiaancholia on February 10th, 2012 04:04 pm (UTC)
As always, your review sum up well my feelings about the episode.
I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.
Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...

By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)04arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:18 pm (UTC)
As always, your review sum up well my feelings about the episode.

Aww, I hope that my follow-up post helps make it better now. :)

I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.

It really is in character, and I can see where she's coming from. It took some time for me to see that, but it is true.

Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...

Yeah, I think he needs to do that, though, even if I get Elena's point of view now.

By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.

Well, you know I love Bonnie and Stefan, and I don't think that Paul is a bad actor, but yeah, sensational he is not! I honestly think the praise was for seeing the snarky/evil side to Stefan, and because they'd been praising the hell out of Ian and Nina (and Candice) so much the last few seasons, they felt they had to be fair because Paul is so darn likable. Whatever. I wish journalists would ACT like journalists, and not kiss up to the show/actors, and act like fangirls. Ugh. (Yes, I'm looking at Kristin and Carina mostly right now.)
wiccabuffywiccabuffy on February 10th, 2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
I liked it... but that aside in terms of shippiness, I think once Elena finds out (because you KNOW she must!) about Damon/Rebekah, we'll finally see the jealousy from her that will make her realize that things aren't "complicated" -- she loves two brothers. Even Julie Plec made a point of talking about how Elena has one line of dialogue where she unconsciously said "being in love with vampires" (plural!) to Matt on the bridge. Elena just needs to fully realize and accept it.

Plus, she's already jealous of Damon/Rebekah anyway for their flirting marshmallow scene... :)
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)06arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
I feel a LOT better about the episode now, as I noted in my follow-up post. :) So, yay. I do think we will get there. Eventually. LOL!
sun_signsun_sign on February 10th, 2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.

I think that's simply because he respects them. They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).

Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance.

I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him? I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the fact that both Damon and Stefan went with her to the ball. Stefan around, and Elena didn't want to hurt his feelings by being too nice and flirty with Damon, especially after seeing his reaction to the kiss. She ended up hurting Damon's feelings instead, which she obviously wasn't proud of, but better Damon than Stefan.

Edited at 2012-02-10 06:40 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Elena02arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
I think that's simply because he respects them.

He respects Elena and Ric, hell, even clearly respects Bonnie's witchy power.

They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).

I just disagree. Elena didn't really deserve much respect for her choices because they were STUPID! She was, once again, blithely putting her life in danger on the off-chance a woman who already tried to kill her (twice actually), uhm, wouldn't this time. Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her. That's what Damon didn't respect, but he still respects her. And he acts the same way with Elena (minus the being in love with her), Ric, Jeremy, Bonnie and Caroline as he does with Carol and Liz. He snarks, he comments, he points out idiocy (as he did with Carol tonight). Yeah, I just don't buy that.

I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him?

It actually made sense for me after some soul-tv-searching (lol) and I detailed it in my follow-up post.
rose_marie_roserose_marie_rose on February 10th, 2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry the Damon/Elena aspects of this episode didn't work for you :( I totally get it, but let me try to CHEER YOU UP.

I think the patterns of treating people being hard to break out of thing still works. Caroline has been interacting with Damon for two plus seasons, there's a lot of history there. There's a lot of patterns to break out of (plus again, the lifetime pass for her, in my opinion). But even though Klaus has done WAY WORSE things than Damon, she hasn't been around him really at all. So even though intellectually she knows he's all evilly, her first experiences with him PERSONALLY have not been that cut and dry. So there are no real patterns established. She doesn't really know how to react to all this.

And as much as she had moments of softening with Klaus, she was still giving him shit left and right, and she was still fighting for Tyler's freedom. Plus Klaus is hardcore pursuing her, telling her she's the beautifullest girl in all the land, and I think that's something that's really hard for someone with Caroline's insecurity/relationship issues to resist completely. (Who knows what would have happened if Damon at some point magically discovered he loved Caroline and majorly courted her, telling her he was an idiot for not seeing it before, that she's shiny and perfect and he picks her first before all others? Would she have been able to hold onto her hate? TBH, I'm not sure she would have.) That's why I'm so proud of her for sticking to her guns for the most part, she's grown SO MUCH.

And I honestly think Caroline is wearing blinders where Stefan is concerned, because of her loyalty to him as a friend/mentor to her. And I have to assume that she's talking about hypothetical-fixed-in-the-future-Stefan. Who, because of her abusive past with Damon, she still prefers as a romantic prospect for Elena. Caroline has ZERO objectivity in this situation, and for me, that's her prerogative till the end of time when it comes to Damon.

However, I do agree that at this point, SOMEBODY has to engage in some Stefan bashing soon (besides Damon and Elena, who have done their share of calling him out), because it's getting slightly ridiculously unbalanced at this point. Make it happen, show.

HOT DAMN!, did Ian Somerhalder look MIGHTY FINE in that tuxedo or what!?!?!? So hot I want to lick him up with a spoon. YUM!

Holy crap, YES. GUH. So delicious.

I actually did quite enjoy the Klaus/Caroline scenes and they definitely are my secondary Caroline-ship. There were some very lovely moments between the two, although, again, I did think that they should have been way more one-sided considering, you know, he's Klaus.

TRUTH.

she treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- not realizing it, but she does -- and he lets her because he loves her so much. And it's REALLY not fair to him. So, hopefully this will lead to him stepping back so she can take a look at whether she wants him in her life close or not (I do think that eventually she'll find that she was really taking him, his presence, how he was with her for granted and that she does misses/needs/does love him). Maybe with what happened in tonight's episode, it will be the push he needs to man up, walk away and just be there to help the group save the day* but no longer be her -- well, I keep saying it, but it's true -- sexless boyfriend.

THIS. ALL THIS. Elena needs to realize that she's been (unconsciously) taking Damon for granted, and she needs to look hard at herself and what she wants in her life, and who Stefan is to her now, and who Damon is to her now. She's still holding on to the past, and she needs to come to grips with her new feelings for both boys. Things have changed inside her, I just think she's not quite ready to recognize that. So she needs a wake-up call, and this is it. This was Damon reaching the limit of being a sexless boyfriend for her. Now she has to deal with the consequences, which I think will lead to her finally accepting that she loves Damon and wants to be with him.

I do think we'll get something great and wondrous and awesome with Damon and Elena eventually. It's just going to take time.

EXACTLY. It's gonna happen and it's gonna be GLORIOUS when it does.
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:33 pm (UTC)
You did help a bit, so thank you.

RE: the treatment of Damon -- I already referenced this (actually quoting the whole Caroline part) in my follow-up post. So thank you AGAIN very much. :)

However, I do agree that at this point, SOMEBODY has to engage in some Stefan bashing soon (besides Damon and Elena, who have done their share of calling him out), because it's getting slightly ridiculously unbalanced at this point. Make it happen, show.

Yes, it really, really, REALLY does.

RE: [Elena] treats him like a sexless boyfriend -- THIS. ALL THIS. Elena needs to realize that she's been (unconsciously) taking Damon for granted, and she needs to look hard at herself and what she wants in her life, and who Stefan is to her now, and who Damon is to her now.

Yup. I do believe that's going to happen, and that's going to be the rest of the season. Julie Plec said that she will make a choice at the end of the season and let's get real the absolutely predictable choice is getting back with Stefan, so I think -- since this IS TVD -- she'll either choose herself (LOL!) or Damon. I'd LIKE to see her choose Damon, and have the next two seasons basically be the triangle version of seasons 01/02 with Damon/Elena the couple, and Stefan on the sidelines, with him starting to find his way away from that and onto someone new (CAROLINE!) towards the end of season 05, and have season 06 just be Damon/Elena, and Stefan/Other (CAROLINE!). (I'm fairly certain they signed 6-year contracts, and I really can't see Nina/Ian re-signing beyond that, everyone else, possibly, but not those two.)

She's still holding on to the past, and she needs to come to grips with her new feelings for both boys. Things have changed inside her, I just think she's not quite ready to recognize that. So she needs a wake-up call, and this is it. This was Damon reaching the limit of being a sexless boyfriend for her. Now she has to deal with the consequences, which I think will lead to her finally accepting that she loves Damon and wants to be with him.

Yup, yup, yup and I kinda touched on some of that in my follow-up post.
tams71tams71 on February 10th, 2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw.

WORD! I am so sick and tired of Damon always being labeled the self-destructive, controlling, egomaniacal dick, when other characters like, oh for instance, Stefan and Elena are made out to be self-sacrificing, thoughtful, and do-gooders. It pisses me off to no end.

Elena continues to put herself and the lives of her family and friends in danger by making back-door deals, un-daggering originals, and acting and speaking before taking the time to think things through and she’s the thoughtful, kind, and “always thinking of someone else first” person. LAME! Stefan can threaten to off his "soulmate's" life on the same bridge where her parents died, kill countless people to prove a point, and piss off an original, setting him on a course to kill his "soulmate's" little brother, and then is begged by said girl to show her that he cares. Puh-lease!

Where did the badass, strong, determined, and ready to kick ass Elena go? Why is it that when Stefan is around Elena turns into a needy, whiny, pathetic version of herself and has no freaking self-respect? The Elena from last night’s episode was too much for me to stomach. Not only because she crushed Damon after he once again expressed how he felt, but because she went behind Damon’s back to broker a deal that she now regrets, lied to Elijah, begged Stefan to love her again, and reverted back into THAT girl who allows a man and his feelings for her to basically define her. I am OVER it!

Ian Somerhalder in a tux looking all James Bond like and sexy as hell…Rawrrrr

Love the blood forming a “family tree” special effects deal. So cool!

Esther is pretty bad-ass and I like her, but damn, she’s one crazy ass mama. I love Finn too. Such a good son to his mama. He must hate being a vampire as much as mama hates the fact that they all are. Not many dudes would willingly end their lives like that. Kol on the other hand is an ass! So glad that Damon schooled him and snapped his scrawny neck.

Caroline and Klaus - Love them! I love seeing Klaus vulnerable (well as vulnerable as a 1000 year old hybrid can be) and I love that it is Caroline who he fancies and that while he may have been upset that she called him out on his behavior, that he thanked her for her honesty. Caroline has truly grown into an outstanding woman and she deserves a strong “man” who she can match wits and be herself with. Sorry, but Tyler and Matt just can’t compete.

Speaking of the getting it on, yeah, I stand by what I wrote in "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Ian Somerhalder and Claire Holt just don't have great chemistry. There's some, because, duh, Ian Somerhalder, but overall, yeah, it just wasn't that hot for me, and I watched it a few times.

While I thought the scene between Damon and Rebekah with the marshmallow was very flirty, last night’s vamp sex scene was ruined for me by Claire’s cheesy, over the top porn faces. The chick looked like she was in pain when she should have looked like he was rockin’ her world. Seriously? Yes, Ian has chemistry with any and everybody, but last night, he could have been having sex with a lamp and I would have been more into it.

I'm gonna say it: I may be the only one, but I don't think that Paul Wesley is doing this stellar job this season. Other than when he's snarking, there's really no difference from this Stefan than from season 01/02 Stefan.

I could not agree more! When I first heard that Stefan would go all dark and deadly I thought, awesome, can’t wait to see how Paul plays it. I have truly been disappointed. No one does badass better than Ian Somerhalder, but I thought that Paul would give it a good shot and he has missed the mark unfortunately.

All in all, very disappointing episode :(
Arabian: Damon05arabian on February 10th, 2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
I am so sick and tired of Damon always being labeled the self-destructive, controlling, egomaniacal dick, when other characters like, oh for instance, Stefan and Elena are made out to be self-sacrificing, thoughtful, and do-gooders. It pisses me off to no end.

My follow-up post touches on the Damon aspect, and it does work for me now. Stefan not getting any comeuppance overall? This NEEDS to change. Period.

Elena continues to put herself and the lives of her family and friends in danger by making back-door deals, un-daggering originals, and acting and speaking before taking the time to think things through and she’s the thoughtful, kind, and “always thinking of someone else first” person.

Yup, I just mentioned to someone else that Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her.

Stefan can threaten to off his "soulmate's" life on the same bridge where her parents died, kill countless people to prove a point, and piss off an original, setting him on a course to kill his "soulmate's" little brother, and then is begged by said girl to show her that he cares. [...] Where did the badass, strong, determined, and ready to kick ass Elena go?

Yup, really touched on this one in my follow-up, so won't worry about it here.

Ian Somerhalder in a tux looking all James Bond like and sexy as hell…Rawrrrr -- Love the blood forming a “family tree” special effects deal. So cool!

This and this SO MUCH! :)

Kol on the other hand is an ass! So glad that Damon schooled him and snapped his scrawny neck.

Hah! I think we're the only ones who didn't like Kol all that much, but did Finn. Hah!

While I thought the scene between Damon and Rebekah with the marshmallow was very flirty, last night’s vamp sex scene was ruined for me by Claire’s cheesy, over the top porn faces.

You are not the only one, I've read tons of complaints about that elsewhere, LOL!

When I first heard that Stefan would go all dark and deadly I thought, awesome, can’t wait to see how Paul plays it. I have truly been disappointed. No one does badass better than Ian Somerhalder, but I thought that Paul would give it a good shot and he has missed the mark unfortunately.

Yeah. :(

All in all, very disappointing episode :( </i>

In retrospect, and putting my Damon/Damon-Elena fangirling aside, it was better than I originally gave it credit for being. This one may play A LOT better upon season-finish rewatch, IF the follow-through is where I hope it goes. :)
vanimy: Mad!Loisvanimy on February 10th, 2012 11:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed with a lot of things. As usual, lol!

Overall I felt the episode was much better than last week (it really flew by) but I'm SO pissed, lol. I knew what was coming (I'm actually glad I was spoiled) but I wasn't prepared for my sudden HATE for Elena in this episode.

-Like I just wanted to slap her. And that pains me to say that because apart from Damon, Elena's my favorite (especially this season and Grown!Up!Elena).

She was seriously awful ALL episode long. She was cold to Damon from the first second of the episode (where did this come from? the last time we saw them he was stroking her chin and she was looking at him with such a tender look in her eyes WTH??). The dance was completely off, you're right, there was only something on Damon's side, she just looked bored and of course the Stefan/Elena dance was all intimate. Then she conspires with Stefan (what happened to her saying she trusted Damon and didn't trust Stefan like three episodes ago and before Stefan even tried to KILL her??) to hurt Damon (and no, the guilty look doesn't change anything, Elena) then her lashing out at him after he tells her he loves her (even if it was in the middle of an argument) and then like it wasn't enough, literally throwing herself at Stefan's feet after all he did to her and only calmly comment that Damon's in a self-destructive mood and 'oh, well, see how late it is, I'm going to get some sleep! you mean, I should check on Damon? nooo he's only on a self-destructive path, no big deal!'

And as if this wasn't enough.... not only was she dumb enough to go see Esther and trust the woman, she actually lies to Elijah's face; that's where I disagree with you BTW ;) All the originals can go but not Elijah. I kinda hoped he'd get a happy ending (with Katherine :P) and just walk off into the sunset. Elena just let Elijah go to his death, Elijah who's saved her life several times, Elijah who trusted her to tell him the truth like she trusted him before. He's always been nothing but nice to her, always. She should've let him know. I was yelling at my screen at this point and was already enraged at Elena even before the final Damon/Elena scene lol.

-Totally agree with you on Stefan just being S1/S2 Stefan in this episode. No subtlety, just teary eyes. Oh and don't even get me started on Stefan/Elena picking up where they left like nothing happened at all. *shakes head* I actually rolled my eyes so HARD when Elena stopped Stefan on the porch and they had their stupid scene.

-Damon. My poor Damon.... Like you I'm tired of seeing people take him for granted and assuming the worst from him like all he did for the past two seasons was for nothing. Elena treated him like dirt, his brother gloated over how he was the one Elena turned to now, he saved Matt's life and everyone thought he was a freak. And now people accuse him of caring too much. That's rich.

I was almost glad he drowned his sorrow with Rebekah who also got rejected and seems to have rejection issues as well. Ian S and Claire Holt don't have a lot of chemistry but holy Batman I thought that ripping out clothes moment was hot as hell. That's when I decided the scene was hot.

-Elijah, my bb. He's always so moral, even Esther says it, can't he just have a break and be spared? Argh.

-I think Esther's a psycho, I'm sorry. She's willing to murder her own kids, that's just not right. Especially the ones who don't even murder anyone LIKE ELIJAH. :P But I did like the scene with Finn too, it was a nice warm moment.

-Okay, one of the things that soothed my Delena heart was Klaus/Caroline. I'm back to liking Klaus again (wow can't seem to make up my mind about him!!) he was just so cute at trying to woo Caroline and failing so obviously. And I liked the drawing thing. I'm jumping aboard the Klaus/Caroline ship!! I was glad for the distraction.
vanimy: TVDvanimy on February 10th, 2012 11:46 pm (UTC)
-Agreed on everything about Delena. The writers keep on torturing us. Even the episodes we had this season were always tainted with the Stefan/Elena shadow. And when we finally have a kiss after three freaking seasons we get nothing for three episodes in a row and then they do this to us... Now I'm all for Damon stepping back, really and hooking up with anyone he wants. Because right now I don't even want Elena near him. I hope she realizes her loss and yes, I also hope she hears about the Rebekah thing and it does something to her. And I hope she comes to him and apologizes for what she said. Now I just wish Damon would let them take care of everything on their own and not save the day. Yes, I'm bitter and very protective of my bb Damon. :P

Sorry for the rant!!
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roselani24roselani24 on February 10th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to apologize for my rather long rant. =/ I was really upset last night. I've read your second post and its helped me calm down a bit so thank you.
Arabian: Damon10arabian on February 11th, 2012 12:03 am (UTC)
Oh, no need to apologize at ALL!! I totally get it, I was near tears last night. I get it. TOTALLY. :)

(Did you want me to respond to your posts above or does the stuff in the follow-up post cover it?) :)
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roselani24roselani24 on February 11th, 2012 01:26 am (UTC)
Part 1 re-post

I can't say I'm happy. I'm not. The fact that Damon is being painted as the bad guy all-around while Stefan gets a clean slate (from Caroline), Stefan gets mushy feelings (from Elena), Klaus gets a mushy feelings (from Caroline), Elijah gets a clean slate (from Elena) and Damon is a self-destructive, controlling dick. For wanting to keep Elena alive. For saving Matt's life. For caring too much. Yeah, that all just sticks mightily heavily in my craw

WORD! Just, GAH! I’m Soooooo upset with Elena right now!! I could hardly believe how she was acting this episode. And Damon, oh how my heart broke for him! ETA I'm not as upset as I was, but I'm still not happy with her.

Oh, right, Damon -- he can never be forgiven or treated with any kind of understanding. No, he'll always be judged, and found wanting. rose_marie_rose had made me feel better by pointing out that people stick with patterns of how they treat someone, and that when someone starts out bad, it's harder to let go of that aspect of them, as opposed to someone starting out good. In that case you tend to remember the good. However, that doesn't work now because of ... the attitude/reaction to Klaus, and Caroline preferring Stefan -- who killed tons of people, including two classmates, and terrorized Elena (of his own free will) -- to be with Elena, rather than Damon, and Elena being all 'Oh, Stefan! Feel something for me, bb!' Yeah.

This right here is what bothers me so much about how Damon is treated. Now, I know he was a dick at the beginning of the series and that he was cruel and unkind and manipulative. And that was all learned behavior. It’s not like Stefan was going out of his way to help his brother or reach him. Nothing of what we’ve seen or been told indicates that Stefan has been there for Damon in the slightest since they turned 146 years ago (before the first season I mean). Worse, Stefan betrayed Damon and made Damon turn. One could argue Damon had a choice, but I would also say the minute Damon smelled the fresh human blood mere inches away it was over for him. No vampire in transition has been able to resist, except Bill Forbes and really his choice to not change hinged largely on the fact he hated vampires and refused to become one. But my point is he has made great efforts to change. He’s not that cruel and manipulative anymore. Does it erase all the terrible things he did? Certainly not!

The one thing Esther got right and impressed me moderately with was saying that forgiveness is a gift. Because it is. We forgive not because somebody deserves it, but because we choose to. And that forgiveness is more for us then for the person who hurt us because it means we let it go and whatever it was they did or said to hurt us and the healing can begin. Forgiveness is also something I’ve been pondering on a personal level so seeing how the lack of forgiveness here is affecting the characters makes me think all the more.

tbc
Arabian: Damon11arabian on February 11th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
I’m Soooooo upset with Elena right now!! I could hardly believe how she was acting this episode. And Damon, oh how my heart broke for him! ETA I'm not as upset as I was, but I'm still not happy with her.

I'm not happy with her, but I understand where she's coming from and as long as I can get to that point, I'm good. :)

[The double-standard] right here is what bothers me so much about how Damon is treated. Now, I know he was a dick at the beginning of the series and that he was cruel and unkind and manipulative. And that was all learned behavior. It’s not like Stefan was going out of his way to help his brother or reach him. Nothing of what we’ve seen or been told indicates that Stefan has been there for Damon in the slightest since they turned 146 years ago (before the first season I mean).

Yup, and even more you had Lexi come upon them and decide that she's only going to help the special snowflake that is Stefan, while just letting Damon merrily go on his way.

Worse, Stefan betrayed Damon and made Damon turn. One could argue Damon had a choice, but I would also say the minute Damon smelled the fresh human blood mere inches away it was over for him. No vampire in transition has been able to resist, except Bill Forbes and really his choice to not change hinged largely on the fact he hated vampires and refused to become one. But my point is he has made great efforts to change. He’s not that cruel and manipulative anymore. Does it erase all the terrible things he did? Certainly not!

SO MUCH THIS! I can not disagree with any point you make here. :)

The one thing Esther got right and impressed me moderately with was saying that forgiveness is a gift. Because it is. We forgive not because somebody deserves it, but because we choose to. And that forgiveness is more for us then for the person who hurt us because it means we let it go and whatever it was they did or said to hurt us and the healing can begin. Forgiveness is also something I’ve been pondering on a personal level so seeing how the lack of forgiveness here is affecting the characters makes me think all the more.

And it's a very good point. Hopefully, we start to see this work and affect all characters in a positive way.