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03 February 2012 @ 03:33 pm
Damon/Elena speculation :)  
Some speculation about Damon (and Damon/Elena) behind the cut. Based fully on episodes aired and my non-spoiled imagination. :)

Pure speculation here -- because I'm all spoiler-free baby (for now) -- but based on Damon's reaction to Klaus' 'best for Elena' speechifying in the last episode and Damon's non-phone-call-answering (not done for Stefan's) benefit, I'm thinking we may see a few things happen with him. Obviously, next week he's still on the Elena-train based on the preview, but I'm thinking something may happen (adding to what happened in this last episode) which convinces him thoroughly to take that "beat" that Alaric told him to back in "Disturbing Behavior."

So, we may have Damon pulling away from Elena in his role as her sexless boyfriend (because, let's be real, that's essentially what he's been like forever to her). Also, I think we may see him either begin flirtations/fooling around with various women, or find himself a new girlfriend (minus the compulsion). And I'm okay with that because as much as I love Elena, and as much as I get where she's coming from, she has been taking Damon and his devotion to her for granted for a very, very long time. As stubborn and as in denial as the girl is, she clearly needs several kinds of kicks in the pants to get the picture. And think of it, what was it that made her reunite with Stefan after they broke up in season 02? Him being stuck with Katherine in the tomb, ie, her jealousy. Uh huh. So, if this is the case -- since I don't see Damon even remotely actually falling out of love with Elena, or in love with someone else -- I say bring it on!

If you know ANY spoilers (no matter how big or teeny) that do or do not support them please don't share them as such so I can stay in spoiler-free land. Thanks. :)
 
 
 
traciaknowstraciaknows on February 3rd, 2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
This seems very plausible to me. But I swear, if he falls for someone else, I'll have to return my membership card to the TEAM DELENA EXPRESS.

Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)04arabian on February 3rd, 2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I really don't see how they could even remotely justify or expect viewers to buy Damon falling for someone else. And it's not like they'd pair him with someone and people would likely be that much more blown away by Ian Somerhalder's chemistry with this other actress because he and Nina do really have outstanding, top-notch chemistry. The guy has chemistry with just about everyone else, but he and Nina really are near the apex of that chemical factor, so, yeah, I'm just not concerned with that factor.
sun_signsun_sign on February 3rd, 2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
I think that both Stefan and Damon are in conflict with themselves when it comes to Elena right now. They love her and want to be with her, but deep inside they know that what Klaus said is probably true - she has no future, no happiness, with a vampire. So I predict a lot of inner struggle for all 3 characters in the upcoming episodes. I'd love to see Elena jelaous over Damon - remember the marshmallow scene and how Elena got jelaous even though she knew it was all set up to distract Rebekah? That was before the kiss, if something like that happened now she'd probably be even more jelaous.
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on February 4th, 2012 01:39 am (UTC)
Yeah, but that won't stop Stefan. He's believed since he began seeing her that he shouldn't be with her (as he told Caroline in "Bad Moon Rising"), but he's too selfish to give her up. On the other hand, I can easily see Damon choosing to put what he believes is best for Elena above his own desire/love for her.

they know that what Klaus said is probably true - she has no future, no happiness, with a vampire

I'm curious; are you saying this from what you believe their point of view is or do you think this is the case? For me personally, I do think it's what they believe, but I do think that Elena will have a future, happiness ... with Damon. :)

So I predict a lot of inner struggle for all 3 characters in the upcoming episodes.

I do see it with Elena and Damon, but not Stefan. The only struggle we've ever really seen him have is over blood. He's just too selfish; Stefan has always put his wants and desires first.

I'd love to see Elena jelaous over Damon - remember the marshmallow scene and how Elena got jelaous even though she knew it was all set up to distract Rebekah? That was before the kiss, if something like that happened now she'd probably be even more jealous.

I KNOW!!! That's what I'm hoping for! :D
Alisha: TVD (Damon/Elena) Somethingkalishaka on February 3rd, 2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
I think that honestly is the track they are headed on. And I think it's the right time for it. Elena still needs to deal with the Stefan mess, and immediately jumping into something with his brother is not a healthy closure. And I do think Damon is being hard hit with the idea of how much this triangle mirrors the original and he blamed Stefan so much for taking Katherine from him, that despite how much he knows that's not how this Elena thing is playing out. As much as he knows, and called out Stefan for the fact that Stefan screwed it up. He doesn't want another century of estrangement from his brother over a girl. He's already done that, and it wasn't how he wanted his life. I'm actually looking forward to see how this plays out. I have a lot of faith in the show runners and the characters so we shall see.
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Nina Ian TVguidebadboy_fangirl on February 3rd, 2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
I agree with all of this. Damon's near-death experience did help him put all that other Petrova stuff behind him. His issues with Stefan now are specifically about Stefan's behavior now. And Elena needs time to realize how important Damon is to her, and exactly what capacity she wants him in, in her life. And Stefan needs to get over himself, so this storyline could actually pay off in spades, if we're faithful to and patient with the writers.
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Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellationsthesicko1012 on February 3rd, 2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I would be perfectly okay with this too. I have always been okay with Damon having other women since he is still always very obvious about his love for Elena and the fact that it is never going to go away. There isn't that whole issue of "Oh goodness, who is he going to choose?" if it comes between Elena and someone else. Actually, Damon deserves a little competition for his affections, or at least some jealousy. That guy needs to feel the love. Because I think we are at the point now where if Damon was swooped up by someone else, Elena would be very noticeably jealous (even more so than "Smells Like Teen Spirit"). Might make her stop treating Damon like he is just her safety thinking "He is so in love with me, he'll just wait around until I finally make my choice". That's not fair. I want her to wise up. The feelings are obviously there and she keeps telling people how they have to move on in their life, but she has yet to actually take her own advice. We saw her summon the courage to kill Alaric. Why doesn't she summon th courage to actually make the attempt to be happy for once?

I did get the feeling of someone backing off of Elena last night, but I didn't get it from Damon (although I kinda do now with your post). There was that moment between Klaus and Stefan that makes me think that Stefan will quite possibly step back. Not even necessarily right now, but somewhere down the line (maybe really really far down the line). Stefan said (not direct quote)"You just agreed to this dinner to put a wedge in between me and my brother." and Klaus just replied "You are doing that well enough on your own. Because of Elena you will lose your brother and you only have yourself to blame". We all know how Stefan feels about Damon. He'll choose his brother over Elena eventually. We just have to wait for this annoying jerky Stefan to go away (not snarky badass Ripper!Stefan. I find him entertaining. Just the Stefan we have been seeing the last few episodes, minus a few amusing scenes he's had with Klaus, that's been bugging me even more so than "Saint" Stefan. Still love him of course.)
Arabian: Damon&Stefan03arabian on February 4th, 2012 01:59 am (UTC)
I think we are at the point now where if Damon was swooped up by someone else, Elena would be very noticeably jealous

I agree; like really noticeably jealous and really, really upset about it.

Might make her stop treating Damon like he is just her safety thinking "He is so in love with me, he'll just wait around until I finally make my choice". That's not fair.

Right, because that is totally where she is with him right now. Not that I think she consciously realizes it, but that so nails it.

I did get the feeling of someone backing off of Elena last night, but I didn't get it from Damon (although I kinda do now with your post). There was that moment between Klaus and Stefan that makes me think that Stefan will quite possibly step back.

I can't see that just because it's so out of character for Stefan. He's believed since he began seeing her that he shouldn't be with her (as he told Caroline in "Bad Moon Rising"), but he's too selfish to give her up.

We all know how Stefan feels about Damon. He'll choose his brother over Elena eventually.

I think, hope that if he sees Damon back off and Elena react to that and perhaps start to fight for Damon that will be the wake-up call that he needs to do some backing off himself and not fight his brother getting what he so desperately wants.

We just have to wait for this annoying jerky Stefan to go away (not snarky badass Ripper!Stefan. I find him entertaining. Just the Stefan we have been seeing the last few episodes, minus a few amusing scenes he's had with Klaus, that's been bugging me even more so than "Saint" Stefan. Still love him of course.)

Yeah, THIS!

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wiccabuffy: RP - Writers killed my OTP!wiccabuffy on February 3rd, 2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
I can't wait to see a jealous Elena. I think it would be awesome and would give Damon more confidence in himself since he always thinks he is second best to Stefan. Having her be jealous of him for something mroe than marshmallows with Rebekah? Bring it on!

As to who it would be? Random girl? Ok. Rebekah? That could be humorous considering her history w/Stefan. Katherine? Eh, tricky because of their past. (I also wonder if a possible Katherine/Damon sex scene/making out where she makes him think that she is Elena would be interesting -- he'd get pissed at Kat, Elena would get jealous, I think. VERY jealous).
Arabian: Damon&Katherine04arabian on February 4th, 2012 02:05 am (UTC)
I can't wait to see a jealous Elena. I think it would be awesome and would give Damon more confidence in himself since he always thinks he is second best to Stefan. Having her be jealous of him for something mroe than marshmallows with Rebekah? Bring it on!

This! This! THIS SO MUCH!!!

As to who it would be? Random girl? Ok.

I'm thinking so, another character brought on like Andie was likely.

Rebekah? That could be humorous considering her history w/Stefan.

Nah, they've shared too many women and I just don't think that either Rebekah or Damon is into each other that way at all, LOL!

Katherine?

Damon's just so not into her like that anymore. We know that for sure.

I also wonder if a possible Katherine/Damon sex scene/making out where she makes him think that she is Elena would be interesting -- he'd get pissed at Kat, Elena would get jealous, I think. VERY jealous).

I do think that would work on Elena, but I can't see Damon confusing the two ever again. The only time that Katherine's confused him since that night was the two seconds before she smiled in "Disturbing Behavior" and that's because she didn't move or say a word.
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vamplover85: pic#115409848vamplover85 on February 4th, 2012 01:09 am (UTC)
And this seems very plausible and everything. :) I agree with that on Elena's part. And I have heard that Damon will take the high road and move away from her...But that's all I heard nothing to spoilery. :P I don't want the whole Matt-Elena to be real sort of thing. Because I just ugh. I would love them if this was another life or another show without Damon. lol. I just nope. And her sexless boyfriend? lol. Yup. He has been.
Arabian: Damon & Elena17arabian on February 4th, 2012 01:32 am (UTC)
Sigh, that was spoilery because I was just specc'ing and now I know for absolute sure one of the things I specced on.

I don't think the Matt/Elena thing will be real, it doesn't jibe with all we know of Elena and her beginning to understand that she can never have/be normal. He may be part of that, but I can't see more than that.

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Azmiri Sultana Mridul: pic#115597773mridul777 on February 4th, 2012 06:21 am (UTC)
as I love Elena, and as much as I get where she's coming from, she has been taking Damon and his devotion to her for granted for a very, very long time. As stubborn and as in denial as the girl is, she clearly needs several kinds of kicks in the pants to get the picture.

This is SO VERY TRUE. It has been bothering me so bad. It's like Damon looses all his strength when it comes to Elena. To support or pacify her he let's go of a lot of stuff, and I am not okay with that..AT ALL. As much as I want them together I want Damon to buckle up. At this point my first ship is Damon/happiness. That's one thing that he deserves and NEEDS.

And I want Damon to be stronger, and not always on the sidelines, forgiving, forgetting, and hurting. He shouldn't be the one pulling Elena back with the hope that maybe this time she'll reciprocate. He IS and SHOULD BE be much stronger.... so much so that he can say and believe that "Yes I love this girl more than anything and everything... Yes I want her.. But my life and whatever it is I have going on isn't limited to her one wish. Yes I'll do EVERYTHING I can for her.. But I won't be the kind of Damon I was with Katherine. And there are things in my life which might matter more or maybe in the same level as sh does, like for example the bond of the ONLY family I have left." He is, at the end of the day, pulled/pulling himself back from his maniacal killer phase to this person he had become now ALL on his own.. Elena is his inspiration yes, but the hard work and striving is ALL him.
Arabian: Damon02arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:35 am (UTC)
It's like Damon loses all his strength when it comes to Elena. To support or pacify her he let's go of a lot of stuff, and I am not okay with that.

Oh, I don't see it that way at all. That's what I saw Stefan do with her, which annoyed me. But Damon doesn't. He calls her on stuff and/or points out things that maybe she doesn't want to hear (see 3.03, 3.09, 3.10). He stays true to who he is, but offers her a shoulder to lean on, and someone to talk to. He also does his own thing even if he knows she won't agree (3.08). I just, yeah, I really don't know where you're getting this vibe at all because the fact that he doesn't do this (nor does Elena become weak with him) is one of my absolute favorite things about this pairing.
x5valex5vale on February 4th, 2012 06:37 am (UTC)
I agree. This is my idea too. Damon will distance himself from Elena because the main difference between Stefan and Damon is that Damon knows that Klaus was saying the truth and he is unselfish when it comes to Elena.

So I can see him hooking up with someone else to give Elena the possiility to think.

Stefan on the other end is acting like a jealous ex boyfriend and he starts to be ridiculous. I want old Stefan or ripper back....because this Stefan is not exactly my favorite one.
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline04arabian on February 4th, 2012 06:57 am (UTC)
So I can see him hooking up with someone else to give Elena the possiility to think.

See, I don't think it would be about giving Elena the possibility to think, but rather him just keeping his distance. I think that Damon knows that while Elena has feelings for him, I think he figures it's all tied up in her love for Stefan and that when push comes to shove it's not really that strong. (I, of course, think he's wrong, LOL!) So, for him, I don't think it would even cross his mind that Elena would be hurt and/or get jealous.

Stefan on the other end is acting like a jealous ex boyfriend and he starts to be ridiculous. I want old Stefan or ripper back....because this Stefan is not exactly my favorite one.

The Stefan I want back is the one I saw with Caroline in "Brave New World," "Bad Moon Rising," "Katerina" and "Daddy Issues" where he was open and honest, smiling and such a good, honest soul without subterfuge or pretending to be something he's not. It's one of the main reasons (outside of Paul Wesley and Candice Accola's AWESOME chemistry) that I'm so die-hard Stefan/Caroline.
crowandfog: TVD: D/E and I'll be here in the morningcrowandfog on February 4th, 2012 07:26 am (UTC)
(because, let's be real, that's essentially what he's been like forever to her)

Heh. NO KIDDING. At this point, I can't even remember when she started treating him like that. Anyway, she's getting a lot better, but I agree that she still needs some poking. Your speculation sounds pretty good to me. ;D
Arabian: Damon & Elena02arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
I think it began after the events of 1.17 ("Let the Right One In"), it wasn't uber-pronounced in 1.18 ("Under Control"), but the seeds were there, and by the end of 1.19 ("Miss Mystic Falls")that was where they were, and it just got stronger as the series continued.
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Arabian: Damon & Elena10arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:38 am (UTC)
she does tend to take him for granted. Though, I don't think she is aware she does it?

Oh, I don't think she's aware of it. If she was, she'd make a concerted effort to not do it.

If Damon's attention is diverted elsewhere, she gets ~jealous~, we might get some great stuff towards the end of the season. (♥)

That's the hope! :D
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Nina/Ianbutterfly on February 4th, 2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think something like this is plausible. What we really need is for Elena to get to a point where she's the one pursuing Damon. And for that to happen, she needs to work through her guilt over being 'another Katherine' (because I do think that's a worry of hers).
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)02arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:39 am (UTC)
What we really need is for Elena to get to a point where she's the one pursuing Damon. And for that to happen, she needs to work through her guilt over being 'another Katherine' (because I do think that's a worry of hers).

Yup. It goes back to my list of issues they both have. :Nods:
Florenciaflorencia7 on February 4th, 2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
I didn't think it possible at first but now that I read your thoughts... I think you may be right. Such a turn of events might also lead to an interesting twist of having Elena pursuing Damon & not, for a change, the other way around ^^
Arabian: Damon & Elena05arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:40 am (UTC)
I don't know that she'd *pursue* pursue him, but I think she'd start to open her eyes much more that she really doesn't want anyone else to have him ... which could lead to, yes I DO want him, you know?
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on February 5th, 2012 12:11 am (UTC)
This makes a lot of sense, but it could also play out the other way (and I'm not speaking from spoilers). He could play with Elena just in spite of Stefan.
Arabian: Damon15arabian on February 5th, 2012 01:17 am (UTC)
I can't see Damon as he's been written since he first started having feelings for Elena EVER play her. I just, yeah, no. In his own way, he's too honorable to do anything like that.
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vanimy: D/E (s3)vanimy on February 5th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
Mmh. So Damon taking a step back and fooling around with someone else to keep his distance? I could see this happening like totally after last episode's emphasis on how Elena should be with neither brother and Damon not taking Elena's call.

I reserve my judgment until I see it if this comes to pass BUT it would have to be extremely well-done. Because I'm not really sold on the idea on paper. I feel that :

1) Been there, done that. Hasn't Damon tried to do exactly the same after his love confession in 1x8? He found Rose then Andie to be his distractions from Elena. Sure, Damon and Elena's relationship was way different in season 2, but I think it would be a little too much like season 2 to me.

2) Elena getting jealous would have to be well-handled too. I liked the scene in 3x6 so something like that.

3) It would have to be a distraction for Damon. No new love interest, please!! That would be too out of character for Damon who usually loves a woman for a very long time (unlike Stefan lol)

Now who could be Damon's new distraction?

-A human girlfriend? somehow I don't think so, we already had that with Andie and they killed her off so no, that would be redundant.

-Rebekah? Heh, why not? I'm one of those lunatics who liked their marshmallow scene in 3x6 (but icky because she's Stefan's ex so...)

-Katherine? Always had a soft spot for Damon/Katherine as the equals they are now (I blame it on their amazing banter and the Nina/Ian chemistry) and I miss Kat so I would be all for it.

I love the scenario someone posted above with Kat pretending to be Elena, Damon not being fooled but sleeping with her anyway. I want to marry that scenario, pretty please!
Arabian: Elena04arabian on February 5th, 2012 02:39 am (UTC)
Been there, done that. Hasn't Damon tried to do exactly the same after his love confession in 1x8? He found Rose then Andie to be his distractions from Elena. Sure, Damon and Elena's relationship was way different in season 2, but I think it would be a little too much like season 2 to me.

But he never fully pulled away from Elena, plus she was still in Stefan!Stefan!Stefan! mode then. So that would definitely make a difference. Plus, I think it would be harder for Damon because their relationship has grown and he doesn't even quite realize to what degree himself.

Elena getting jealous would have to be well-handled too. I liked the scene in 3x6 so something like that.

I think we need to see Elena have some outlet for all the crap that has happened, and this could be a believable, in-character (we've seen her get jealous to a degree with Katherine, and a teeny bit when Damon first met Andie, and, of course, of Rebekah in 3.06) way for it to happen. And it would make her finally have to own up to HER feelings about Damon.

ould have to be a distraction for Damon. No new love interest, please!! That would be too out of character for Damon who usually loves a woman for a very long time (unlike Stefan lol)

Which is why I said that I'm not worried about it; Damon wouldn't fall out of love with Elena and fall for someone else like that. Just wouldn't happen.

-A human girlfriend? somehow I don't think so, we already had that with Andie and they killed her off so no, that would be redundant.

Unless it was a human girlfriend who didn't compel but rather just had a casual relationship with that didn't require him to reveal his vampiric nature.

Rebekah? Heh, why not? I'm one of those lunatics who liked their marshmallow scene in 3x6 (but icky because she's Stefan's ex so...)

Stefan's ex, and I really just didn't get the vibe at all from any of their brief scenes that there was any kind of attraction at all present.

Katherine? Always had a soft spot for Damon/Katherine as the equals they are now (I blame it on their amazing banter and the Nina/Ian chemistry) and I miss Kat so I would be all for it.

Damon's over her. He made that clear in 2.16, and then even tried to see if the spark/attraction was still there in 3.05 (when she kissed him in the car), but she doesn't do it for him anymore. Plus, he does know that Elena cares about him and seeing him fall back into something with Katherine could potentially hurt Elena and I can't see Damon ever doing that willingly.

I love the scenario someone posted above with Kat pretending to be Elena, Damon not being fooled but sleeping with her anyway.

Prior to this season, I'd have been all for that, but now? Nah, not with the change in the relationship with Elena.
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Heather-Ann: DE The End of the Affairlinsell_farm on February 5th, 2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
This feels quite plausible to me and also helps assuage the part of my (admittedly irrational) shipper heart that's screaming 'No!! There cannot be another HUGE obstacle for my beloved OTP!!!'

Elena certainly does need a powerful catalyst to oust her from her well-established and deep-rooted stay in the land of denial and this could very well be it. I'm sure we all know that it's one thing to choose not to be with someone but it's a whole other story for them to take up with someone else.

I'm fine with Damon distancing himself and becoming involved with someone else so long as there is NO falling in love with that other person. Like Rebekah said, "A girl has needs." I think that could be applied to men as well :). Playing the field with multiple partners could be just the thing that Damon needs to get a little relief from his Elena situation with all it's UST and guilt. Maybe Elijah would be up for a one-time diversion ...

Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on February 7th, 2012 01:55 am (UTC)
This feels quite plausible to me and also helps assuage the part of my (admittedly irrational) shipper heart that's screaming 'No!! There cannot be another HUGE obstacle for my beloved OTP!!!'

I don't know if you read through the comments, but I came up with a list that makes it clear that we have a LOT of character-motivated obstacles still to get through. All three main characters have stuffies they need to deal with before Damon and Elena can be. What has been building between Damon and Elena has not even remotely reached its climax yet. Elena is too hung up on:

1) I can't love two brothers, it's wrong.
2) I can't love Damon, what does that say about me?
3) I said it was Stefan, always, only Stefan! Oops!
4) I said I'd never fall for his brother

While Damon is still hung up on:

1) She's Stefan's girl.
2) I really don't deserve her.
3) She's better off without me.
4) She sorta has the hots for me, but she's not really *really* into me.
5) I am getting my brother back, do I really want to risk that for a girl who doesn't love me even if I love her?
6) Since I love her, I should step back and let her be with who she loves.

Stefan is too hung up on being a selfish jerky-boy! :)

So we definitely have a way to go.

Elena certainly does need a powerful catalyst to oust her from her well-established and deep-rooted stay in the land of denial and this could very well be it. I'm sure we all know that it's one thing to choose not to be with someone but it's a whole other story for them to take up with someone else.

Yup, she's already shown slight bits of jealousy, imagine how it would rear up if he went all the way with someone? And it would be all about Elena's reaction, she couldn't blame it on Damon at all, like the kiss. 'Well, sure I kissed him back, but he kissed me first and I was in an emotional state.' That's her justification for the kiss, but showing jealousy over him with someone else? That's all on her!

there is NO falling in love with that other person

I just can't see that happening and be in character AT ALL!

Maybe Elijah would be up for a one-time diversion ...

HAH!
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