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10 October 2011 @ 09:08 pm
'The Vampire Diaries -- The 'good' brother vs. the 'bad' brother  
Hmm, I was responding to all of the "Disturbing Behavior" and my Caroline-post comments, and a couple of things occurred to me. I could be totally wrong, but I figured I'd throw them out there.

First of all, I'm wondering (and hoping) that the heavy-handedness of bad!Damon from Caroline, Alaric, Elena, etc. of episode 04 was deliberate -- which still doesn't excuse the sloppiness on display there, imo. The reason being because next week when the whole crew is possibly falling apart in various fights (Caroline/Tyler against Rebekah; Elena against Stefan/Klaus), Damon gets back into town -- as I assume he will once Katherine gives him the information about the necklace -- and he does save the day. And THIS TIME it will be acknowledged and the others will finally wise up a bit to ALL that Damon does do for them. If so, then I'll take (if a tad unhappily) the bald execution of "Disturbing Behavior" if it gives us that reward.

Also, I kinda wonder if anyone but Damon, Elena and Alaric know just exactly what Stefan's been up to this summer. And if any of them don't know about Stefan's ripping and murderous mayhem, how will they react when they do? What kind of wake-up call will they experience regarding the "good" and "bad" brother then? How will attitudes change (as they darn tootin' should) regarding Damon, Stefan and the fact that Stefan is not only as capable of doing bad things like Damon, but that he does a lot, lot worse.
 
 
 
traciaknowstraciaknows on October 11th, 2011 01:26 am (UTC)
I'm hoping that you're right. I get so sick of the "let's give Stephan some slack because he's really a good guy- but Damon's bad! Always bad!" crap when he is every bit, and often worse! Than Damon when it comes to playing with their food. Damon is vicious, blunt, and emotional. He's impulsive and lacks self-control and does terrible things. But how is that any different than Stephan? I want so badly for Elena to stand up for Damon. Just once. He's earned it!
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)04arabian on October 11th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
It just hit me when responding to people that we've heard nothing that indicates that anyone but those three know about what Stefan's been doing, so I really do wonder (hope) if this is leading up to something. Because the DAMON IS EVUL! was so ridiculously heavy-handed in the last episode, with the indication that Stefan is so much better. AND HE'S NOT!

I want so badly for Elena to stand up for Damon. Just once. He's earned it!

Oh, I wait so for that day!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Nina/Ianbutterfly on October 11th, 2011 01:56 am (UTC)
I hope so!

*vague spoiler warning, highlight to read*
Joseph Morgan really talked up episode five on twitter, so I suspect that big things will happen in it.

*end spoilers*

Personally, I suspect/hope that Elena (and maybe everyone) is going to see Stefan kill someone, just because I think that's the only thing that will break her denial wide-open.

Edited at 2011-10-11 01:57 am (UTC)
Arabian: Ian & Nina10arabian on October 11th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
Yeah, there's been excitement.

I think Stefan munching on her (as we do see in the preview right?) is a good step. But yeah, we'll see. We will see.
Cassandra Elise: damon dancingcassandra_elise on October 11th, 2011 02:21 am (UTC)
I'm 3/4 of the way through season one and I'm already sick to death of the "Good Brother" Stefan and the "Bad Brother" Damon shtick. They're both frickin blood-thirsty vampires, and they've both got their flaws, but Damon's always the one getting chewed out for it (no pun intended). It would be nice if Somebody acknowledged Damon's soft side.
Arabian: Damon01arabian on October 11th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Ooh, I can't wait until you get caught up!! Still in season 1! EEK! You have a lot more good Stefan/bad Damon to go through, I'm sad to say. But Damon is never not awesome!

Edited at 2011-10-11 02:54 am (UTC)
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 11th, 2011 06:58 am (UTC)
Hmmm...good point about everyone getting to experience and SEE Damon "SAVING THE DAY" actions form the front seat. I hope it happens, and if people aren't aware of of Stefan's extent of Ripper mayhem....i think they will get an extended Promo in this episode.

I sure hope and wish, what you wrote, comes true....!
Arabian: Damon08arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:30 pm (UTC)
Me too, and distant_autumn reminded me about Julie's quote that this season would even the playing field with the brothers, this could certainly tie into that. :)
ancholiaancholia on October 11th, 2011 11:07 am (UTC)
I thought that too, 3x04 would prepare for 3x05 and show everyone how much they need Damon and how lost they are without him (I actually imagined a scene between Damon and Alaric where Damon tells him they like to have him around when there's trouble but not to close because is dangerous. And I conluded the scene by Damon saying to Alaric: "Don't bother to call me unless Elena's in trouble". I should write fics sometimes, lol).
If that happens, I'll still think that "Disturbing behaviour" lacked a lot of subtlety and wasn't wrote well. If that was their intention, they should have dropped some comments from Caroline and Cie towards Damon here and there for 2 or 3 episodes and then it would have made more sense. Here, there was no progression, no warning and we went from an episode where Damon risks his live for Elena and Stefan to one where he's pushed away.

What kind of wake-up call will they experience regarding the "good" and "bad" brother then?
Very good question! Am I a pessimist to think they would still understand/excuse/forgive Stefan and that Damon would stay the bad brother?
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
If that happens, I'll still think that "Disturbing behaviour" lacked a lot of subtlety and wasn't wrote well.

Oh, completely agreed.

Am I a pessimist to think they would still understand/excuse/forgive Stefan and that Damon would stay the bad brother?

Actually, I don't really see how that can be the case with Julie's comment (I think this was pre-season) that this season would even out the playing field between Stefan and Damon. You can't really do that if no one holds either brother accountable for their actions (Damon's good, and Stefan's bad).
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Arabian: Stefan04arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:10 pm (UTC)
I do think Caroline, Bonnie and by extension Tyler, know about ripper Stefan. Elena seems to share every intimate detail with them, including her kissing dying Damon. I don't know why she would keep this a secret. What explanation has Elena given them for not searching for Stefan anymore, if not the truth?

I'm much more hopeful now because distant_autumn reminded me of Julie's quote about this season evening the playing field between the brothers.

I don't think anyone besides the trio knows exactly what Stefan has been up to. I mean, Elena didn't even know until Damon told her at her birthday party. They might be letting everyone else think its Klaus too, like Elena originally believed.

Very good point. Yup, I think we might be onto something here! {Iz excited!!}
sillyforwordssillyforwords on October 11th, 2011 07:23 pm (UTC)
If that is their intention, I don't think that'll happen in the next episode. I'm pretty sure Stefan is compelled to bite Elena. So he has an out for whatever bad behavior he indulges in.

I do think Caroline, Bonnie and by extension Tyler, know about ripper Stefan. Elena seems to share every intimate detail with them, including her kissing dying Damon. I don't know why she would keep this a secret. What explanation has Elena given them for not searching for Stefan anymore, if not the truth?
Arabian: Damon11arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:08 pm (UTC)
If that is their intention, I don't think that'll happen in the next episode. I'm pretty sure Stefan is compelled to bite Elena. So he has an out for whatever bad behavior he indulges in.

But, perhaps some of what Stefan HAS been doing (not under compulsion) will come out to the others and that will get the ball rolling.

I do think Caroline, Bonnie and by extension Tyler, know about ripper Stefan. Elena seems to share every intimate detail with them, including her kissing dying Damon. I don't know why she would keep this a secret. What explanation has Elena given them for not searching for Stefan anymore, if not the truth?

Sharing info about a stolen kiss with your friends is a LOT different from sharing that your boyfriend has turned back into a serial killing monster. We know what she told them about why she wasn't searching for him anymore -- she found him, he told her he wasn't interested in coming back home with her; they were done.

I just can't believe that Bonnie (BONNIE!) would be totally fine with Stefan killing people left and right and not express any kind of moral outrage over that to Elena.

ETA: maybe pointed out that until Damon told her in 3.01, Elena thought Klaus was doing the killing, so the others probably think that too if they even know about the killing.

Edited at 2011-10-13 11:19 pm (UTC)
Florencia: DE (Gone with the Wind)florencia7 on October 11th, 2011 09:23 pm (UTC)
I hope you're right about Damon saving the day!! Such a scene is totally in order ;)

I do wonder what certain characters response to ripper!Stefan would be. So far we weren't shown what Bonnie or Caroline or Jeremy thought (if they even knew) about the details of Stefan's situation... Would it be easier for them to excuse his actions than it's ever been to excuse Damon's?
Arabian: Damon & Elena12arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)
I do wonder what certain characters response to ripper!Stefan would be. So far we weren't shown what Bonnie or Caroline or Jeremy thought (if they even knew) about the details of Stefan's situation... Would it be easier for them to excuse his actions than it's ever been to excuse Damon's?

See, I just don't think how it could. And, as I was reminded, Julie Plec did say that this season would be about evening the playing field, this would be a grand way to start that ball rolling!
distant_autumn: Elena - Look by ebsolutelydistant_autumn on October 13th, 2011 02:43 pm (UTC)
I would not object to that happening at all! :D

Also, I kinda wonder if anyone but Damon, Elena and Alaric know just exactly what Stefan's been up to this summer.

I keep wondering about that, too. Because beyond talking about wanting Elena to keep living her life, beyond not wanting her to endanger that life, nobody (except Damon, funnily enough) has really addressed the issue of what Stefan is actually doing. I don't feel like any of the rest of them have really reacted to the fact that somebody they considered a friend is off taking bodies apart and putting them back together again. I guess it could be that like Elena, they are aware of what Stefan is currently doing, but because it's happening far away, they just aren't truly dealing with it yet and won't until they see him up close and personal.

Also, I know she's only just returned to Mystic Falls, but I would've thought that Bonnie might have a problem with just letting Stefan continue to run around killing people. Like, because it is wrong, not from a 'save Stefan' POV. I want to know what her reaction is to all this, beyond feeling sorry for Elena.

And if any of them don't know about Stefan's ripping and murderous mayhem, how will they react when they do? What kind of wake-up call will they experience regarding the "good" and "bad" brother then?

They really ought to experience a very serious wake-up call about it, about what Stefan is actually truly capable of, how little they have known about it and about him, and about the good brother/bad brother thing being a load of rubbish. For none of what is happening to cause some sort of mental re-evalution in any of them would be really weird to me. Damon's helping them and has been for months. Stefan is off murdering people, sometimes in really horrific ways. I know he has his reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that he's doing it, or that he's always been capable of it, having gone through the same cycle numerous times before.
Arabian: Elena06arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:04 pm (UTC)
It really does seem interesting that we've heard NOTHING from any of them (Caroline, especially Bonnie) about his killing. And your reminder about that Julie quote (re: evening the playing field) really makes me think that I just may be onto something here. (I sure hope so.)

They really ought to experience a very serious wake-up call about it, about what Stefan is actually truly capable of, how little they have known about it and about him, and about the good brother/bad brother thing being a load of rubbish. For none of what is happening to cause some sort of mental re-evalution in any of them would be really weird to me. Damon's helping them and has been for months. Stefan is off murdering people, sometimes in really horrific ways. I know he has his reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that he's doing it, or that he's always been capable of it, having gone through the same cycle numerous times before.

YES, YES, YES! Just a whole big whopping dose of WORD to this!
MissDKmissdk on October 13th, 2011 04:03 pm (UTC)
I think you're right and just to add a little to the party here: Carina McKenzie from Zap2It said that Elena will cry on Damon's shoulder in 3x05 ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena11arabian on October 13th, 2011 11:01 pm (UTC)
Yup, I read that spoiler. :)