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01 October 2011 @ 09:57 pm
3.03 - 'The End of the Affair' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Sorry for the delay, as I posted Thursday night, I was feeling ill, but I'm reasonably better now and have rewatched the episode and now I can share my thinky-thoughts (which are insanely long). Before I go into tonight's episode, I will say that I had EXTREMELY high hopes for one particular reason: Caroline Dries. She wrote this one and of her previous six episodes (co-writing on: "Miss Mystic Falls," "Isobel," "The Sun Also Rises," solo on: "Memory Lane," "The Sacrifice" and "The House Guest") only one is not in my top 20 favorite TVD episodes (ML), and of the remaining five, two are in the top three and the other three are closer to the top 10 mark, rather than the top 20. So, yeah, the hopes? They were sky-high.

Unfortunately, I was a tad disappointed due to those super-high hopes, and I blame it on my damn couple-girl mentality. My newer friends who know me mostly through The Vampire Diaries have no idea how unlike me fandom-wise this show has made me. I do NOT multi-ship. I do not have more than one couple per show. I do not wax poetic and gloriously over every aspect of a show, and certainly not over couples beyond my couple. I do not spend hours (literally, yo!) writing about more than just my couple. I just do not. But I do with this show. Yet ... I'm still a couple-girl at heart and my poor couple-girl heart has been beaten down good from a Damon/Elena couple-girl point of view and I need more, I want more.

I am tired of the two steps forward (last episode's wonderful final scene with them), five steps back (tonight's interaction). Logically, reasonably I know stuff is coming, I just can't see how it is not as how things have been laid out. I just am losing my patience and every episode that passes without some significant OH!YES!FINALLY! Damon/Elena-ness makes it harder to keep that couple-girl mentality at bay. Especially when -- even separated -- we're still getting hit over the head with Stefan/Elena! Stefan/Elena! Stefan/Elena! ("Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!"). Though even after the first watch-through, this really was not a good indication of their long-lasting love.

And, as I mentioned, I was sick. Feverish and just so sick and tired of the fact that every single new-Vampire Diaries Thursday *something* crappy happens. I kid you not. The baby I'm watching falls down the stairs (she's totally fine)? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. I get into a car accident? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. My cat gets sicker? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. My cat dies? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. I get a migraine? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. I get really sick? New-Vampire Diaries Thursday. Etc., etc. I am not kidding. And the fact that it happened AGAIN! The last Thursday (in months) that I can watch the show live because my work hours are changing this week? Yeah, it just laid a pall over the night as much as I tried for it to not, and that did effect my viewing. All of the above is to say that I was not in the best frame of mind to fully appreciate the episode. Which sucks because it was an excellent episode. Easily the best of this season. And one that will likely hold up very well when the season's over. And *that* is what I am determined to concentrate on now.

~ Ah! The Romance of It All! ~

So let's start with Stefan and Elena. I don't know, basing this on the template of hundreds of other shows, one would think this is just a (major) bump in the road of their great love, but (a) this show doesn't follow other templates, and (b) despite Nina Dobrev's continued PC-stance of not wanting to upset 50% of the room, Damon and Elena are about a gajillions times more popular than Stefan and Elena pretty much based on any bit of information out there that one could gauge such things by. So, for me, this episode didn't represent a (major) bump, but rather the beginning of the end of what is a doomed love affair. Yeah, that title ("The End of the Affair") really could only apply to them because clearly it's not Stefan and Klaus, or Stefan and Rebekah -- those are both on the precipice of a fresh start; Damon and Elena haven't even truly begun, and Caroline and Tyler are in the beginning stages of their love story. That leaves Stefan and Elena.

And if one forgoes the expected template of the first "big" couple being the "one" whose journey we are undoubtedly watching, it's quite clear that this truly is the beginning of the end for them. They already said as much in in "The Last Day" when Elena told Stefan she never planned on being a vampire for him, and Stefan knew that. They were never meant for "forever." They certainly didn't believe so about the other. And so much about what happened in this episode re-confirmed that. Let us list them, shall we?

1.) The necklace. Whoo boy! I've long thought that the necklace more represents the relationship between Damon and Elena, but from the moment we saw Elena clutching it in her final scene with Damon in "The Birthday," I realized that the show believes it represents the love between Stefan and Elena. And we saw that crystal clear again with her holding onto it throughout this episode. Of course, we also saw something quite, quite interesting regarding the necklace (outside of the fact that it originally belonged to Rebekah). We know from Jeremy -- thank you, Jere! -- that even when memories are compelled away, the feeling remains. The final bit we saw with Stefan in this episode was a compelled-to-forget-him seeing that necklace on the floor, picking it up, and feeling something, a softer emotion by the look on his face. I found that quite significant.

This tangible symbol of Stefan and Elena's love -- which is flat-out referred to in next week's promo as such -- was actually an intangible symbol of a former love of Stefan's. It's almost as if the show is telling us (between the lines) that everything about Elena is tied to other women he's loved before her ... the obvious Katherine, and now, Rebekah through the use of the necklace. Very, very interesting. And again, not boding well at all for the idea that this love between Elena and Stefan is all that everlasting after all.

2.) The lack of honesty. Stefan has NEVER been honest with Elena about who and what he really is. He's ignored it, brushed it aside, white-washed it, flat-out lied about it. And now Elena is doing the exact same thing despite the fact that it's right in front of her. Even as she's standing in front of a list of all of his victims -- that he's kept not for reasons of remorse, but to relive the kill -- she's staring at him moony-eyed, determined to preserve her ideal of him and their shining love. And then came, possibly, the first big crack in that ideal. At first, I was surprised by how clumsily cliched the line was when Stefan said "Look at what I found" leaving Elena and the viewer to wonder if he was going to expose her to Klaus for a second. Surprised because I think Caroline Dries is A-W-E-S-O-M-E and she's never resorted to that kind of cheap trickery before, but upon reflection, it was definitely deliberate. This moment told us and Elena that she doesn't believe 100% what she is saying (that she can save him); also, that Stefan is being effected by his bender-behavior to the point that he'd even give her that moment of fear.

3.) Which leads us to another action from Stefan that was unnecessary: Him grabbing her arm and hurting her in their final scene. He didn't have to go that far. His words would be (and were) much more powerful in getting her to stop. But he did it anyway, because he's that far bender-gone that he *could* hurt Elena like that.

4.) Actually, that entire final scene between them didn't play out at all how I would have expected. It was quite unromantic. She didn't tell him she loved him, didn't talk of how she needed him, how they had to be together, reminded him of their great love, etc. The closest thing to romance she said was "come with me" and the "with me" was given no special significance. She hugged him, yes, but it wasn't that much more than she'd give Damon, or Caroline, Bonnie, Jeremy, Alaric, Matt, Tyler. I expected her to kiss him, nope, she didn't even go there. I expected him to close his eyes in anguish, fighting the tears when he got his point of view over her shoulder. Nope. I expected tears from her, tears and anguish from him as he walked away. Double negative. What I didn't expect? Was Stefan to say "it's never gonna be the same," and I certainly didn't expect her reply of "I know that" filled with surprised resignation as if the moment he said it, she realized the truth of it.

5.) And we're back to the necklace. On the car ride there, Elena was holding onto the necklace with hope. On the ride back, she was clutching it with bitter resignation.

I won't say that I can't see how they could get back from this, because, hello!, I ship Damon and Elena!, but, yeah, it's going to be a very, very long road and they're already doing that journey with Damon and Elena.

Speaking of ... I mentioned above the frustration with the two steps forward, five steps back with these two. And, okay, it wasn't that drastic, it was just, well, frustrating that we had such a great final scene in the episode before and finally some acknowledgement from Elena, and then we were back to the bitchy banter. The bitchy courtesy of Elena, the banter, Damon. *sigh* Cuz, yeah, she was really kinda a bitch to him which is unlike Elena. She isn't that way to anyone, even Damon unless he's really pushed her to the brink. But in this episode, she was just -- yeah, she had issue with everything he did. Sniping at him about everything, turning every Stefan negative back on him.

It annoyed me while watching, but on reflection (and upon a full season rewatch, I'm sure it will work beautifully in the arc) it makes perfect sense. She knows that the something between them is beginning to spiral out of her control, and so she's trying to create new boundaries to keep *it* at bay. So she snipes at him, she won't let him close. But yet when he shows up in her bed, she doesn't leap out of bed, she doesn't even leap that far away from him. When she first hears his voice, it takes her a few moments to pull completely away as she "should." Instead, her eyes flutter open, she looks up at him ... and then she pulls away. She even reaches out and lightly smacks him -- touching him, and once he gets up from the bed, she waits less than a minute before finding an excuse to jump up and stand uber-close to him. When she's in danger, she calls him and is obviously pissed that he didn't run straight to her. So, right now, she's in full-on-Elena-denial mode. About everything. Stefan's murders. That something between her and Damon. And she's just trying to act like nothing has changed. Stefan is still the good brother that she loves. Damon is still the bad brother who annoys her. Reality is not going to creep up on her, I imagine it's going to hit her like a ton of bricks and it's gonna be epically bad when it hits.

The one scene between them that I adored upon first watch, though, and upon reflection just love more and more was when she was pissed that he didn't run straight to her after her phone call. I loved it SO MUCH for everything that wasn't said between them. For what it said about Damon as a character and his growth, what it said about how very well she knows him now, and how in synch they really can be quite a bit of the time. She's pissed that he didn't show up right away because she expected him to come running to her side. It's an expectation, Damon being there for her is what she expects. That is telling in and of itself.

Meanwhile, he tries to brush away the danger she was in at first, but when she pushes, he responds with the very tightly controlled comment that he had an hour to realize his bad idea, process her danger and deal with it. That one line showed how very much Damon Salvatore HAS grown, has changed, has improved. He didn't fly off the handle, he didn't freak out, he didn't go ballistic and crazy. He dealt with it without hurting anyone (one assumes if it was only an hour, he went shopping, and we didn't see him hurting anyone), and without taking his anger at himself and fear over her safety out on Elena. That's a pretty damn big step for one Mr. Salvatore. So bravo.

And then came his less-tightly controlled "are you okay?" The anxiety, the fear there in those three words, the tight grip he had on his emotions slipping, and here's where Elena's understanding comes in. She completely got everything that we got from those sentences. She got his growth, she got his fear, she got how freaked out he was by his stupidity and how well he handled it, and she also got that he was still close to losing it, so she put aside her need to vent and just said "yeah," giving him the go-ahead that they could move on. And so they did, resuming their bitchy banter. :)

One other note about Damon and Elena that I found quite interesting. Really, what does it say about how strongly Damon believes in and feels about Elena that he 100% believed that she could bring Stefan back within five minutes? Whoah. That's some major faith in her awesome there.

As for other pairings, well, I'll take a quick moment to discuss Tyler and Caroline. I'm sorry, any shippers on my list, I am just not feeling them at all. The chemistry is just not there for me. I thought it was incredibly sweet what Tyler did for her, when he picked her up, I thought it was a lovely moment, but emotionally it didn't move me at all. Had Stefan picked her up and carried her out, I would have been awwing and hand-waving all over the place. Heck, had Matt done it, I would have likely released at least one aww. But for Tyler? Yeah, nada. Same with the joke at the start of their final scene, and the cuddling after. It was sweet and it did absolutely nothing for me.

You know what did though? Stefan and Rebekah! Seriously, what *is* it about Paul Wesley?!?! I preferred the idea of Damon and Elena from the beginning, but I actually kinda liked Stefan and Elena throughout season 1. I began to ship Stefan and Katherine towards the end of season 1; I uber-shipped Stefan and Caroline from episode two of season 2 like whoah, and now I'm all squeeing and swooning over Stefan and Rebekah. (Of course, my number one Stefan-shipping-allegiance still remains with Caroline. Of course.) They were just ... fabulous. From that first moment when she licked the blood off of his lips, to him catching her arm later and asking her name, to the blood-sharing, the making-out, the dancing, the looks. From Rebekah standing there waiting for Stefan to join them, the way she chose him over Klaus (of course, it's Stefan, duh), the way her face softened, her eyes lit up when she saw him in present day. From the look on Stefan's face when he remembered, the way he said her name, the smile as he walked towards her. Ahhh, be still my beating heart. So beautiful. All of it from beginning to end was just beautifully, beautifully done.

I'm sorry, my beloved Stefan/Caroline, but Stefan and Rebekah are so pretty together!! And Paul and Claire Holt -- more on her later -- have gorgeous chemistry. It was just so beautifully done. And I am so very excited to see what happens next week with them. And with Stefan and Katherine. Yeah, another one!

Oh, Paul. Why do you work so much better with Nina Dobrev when she's playing Katherine? I know why, because Katherine -- like Caroline, like Rebekah -- makes Stefan FUN! And I will admit that a teeny part of why I like Stefan and Rebekah is because she is similar to Caroline (in looks) and in personality, so basically, Katherine is not his only physical type, someone similar to Caroline is also. But back to my main point which I find very interesting is that a Stefan who is not denying who he is obviously prefers a fun, flirty, confident kinda gal, ie. Katherine, Rebekah, Vampire-Caroline. And I specifically mentioned the vampire bit because it was becoming a vampire that made Caroline so much more confident. As needy, somewhat pathetic human Caroline, Stefan didn't have the time of day for her, but as a vampire, he's all looking adoringly at her on her doorstep. Uh huh. (Yeah, see, it always comes back to how perfect Stefan and Caroline are for one another. I can not help it.)

Back to Katherine though. So, clearly she still has Stefan first in her sights, but I do find in interesting that she was so prodding at Damon and his feelings for her and Elena there. Something is still gnawing just a bit at her about Damon, you know it is.

~ Bromances = Brotherly Love? ~

So, I think it's VERY interesting -- what can I say? I find a lot of things about this show interesting; it's my fave, yo! -- that Damon referred to Alaric as his brother in the last episode, and in this one, Stefan refers to Klaus as his brother. I just have to shake my head and sigh. When will these boys realize that they are just substituting other people for the other? Now, this is not to say that I don't feel that the Alaric/Damon relationship isn't real. I absolutely believe that it is, and I love it so very much. I think they've done a wonderful job in building on the actors' natural chemistry with one another and developing a friendship between their characters. I buy it; I buy them.

And now, in one fell swoop, I buy the relationship they set up with Stefan and Klaus, not only because of this episode but because of their interaction in season 2. There was the fact that Stefan wanted to negotiate with Klaus, not once, but twice? Yes, he's bad at it, but the fact that he even believed he could make the attempt when no one else did is telling in retrospect. Remember the whole bit about having a vague remembrance of feelings once compelled? Well, now Stefan's belief that he could sway Klaus makes perfect sense. Of course, any deeper remembrance would have been over overwhelmed by the horror of what Klaus was doing, but again, the fact that Stefan tried to reason with Klaus is telling.

Back in 1920's, how Stefan was able to accept and call Klaus his brother says to me the same thing that Damon suddenly pulling out that endearment in the last episode did. Both of them terribly miss having each other in their lives as true brothers, and not the antagonistic asses they've been to one another for 145 years. I think the bottom-line is that Damon misses Stefan, his brother, and Alaric is filling a bit of that void now. And I think it's really coming into focus *now* because since Stefan gave up everything to save him, he can't dispute the fact that Stefan loves him, and that he still loves Stefan. He wants to save him partially to make Elena happy, but I think more so because he believes for the first time in a long time that if he's saved, they *can* be true brothers again. And with the sense of that -- even unspoken, unacknowledged -- so close, it makes perfect sense that he would suddenly find himself longing for any sort of brothership. And Alaric fits that bill perfectly. The same goes for Stefan and Klaus. In the 1920's, there hadn't been as many years between that relationship of brotherly love, so it makes sense that Stefan would have been more inclined to grab on to someone that makes him feel something akin to that.

An interesting note about Stefan and Nic(Klaus), did anyone else get a flashback of Klaus telling Stefan to drink all of it in "As I Lay Dying" when Stefan was telling Liam to drink the glass of his wife's blood? I don't think it was supposed to be specifically paralleled, but since we had Klaus telling Stefan he learned some tricks from him -- which I didn't have a problem with, Klaus wouldn't still be around if he didn't adapt and pick up new tricks throughout the centuries -- I couldn't help but recall that moment.

Also, I do have to wonder if a part of why Klaus appears to dislike Damon so thoroughly is because Stefan was his "brother," and he was witness to the lengths that Stefan is willing to go to to save his actual brother. If he only knew Stefan from before when Stefan and Damon weren't even in each others orbits, it's likely that he had no idea just how complex and filled with love the Salvatore Brothers' dynamic was. But he got a first-hand account when Stefan offered up anything to save Damon, and he keeps picking at the idea of Damon dying now. He really doesn't like him, and yeah, I think it's because of how much Stefan loves him.

I gotta give props to the show. Everyone and their dog was trying to come up with some nefarious, mysterious and/or complicated reason as to why Klaus was so determined to have Stefan as his sidekick and it was just that he wants his buddy back. And I really, really liked that. Such a simple, but utterly believable reason -- fine, when taking into account that they are supernatural creatures -- that makes perfect sense. And, damnit, when Stefan was all moony-eyed towards Rebekah at the end, and then Klaus (with a wee bit of jealousy there, yeah?) called Stefan's name because he wanted him to turn to him, to look at him and remember him, he wanted his "brother" back, I was moved. I know, right? It's wrong, it's so wrong. It's KLAUS, for goodness' sake! But, but, but, he just wants his little buddy back! Gawd, I love this show so much.

~ Keeping It in the Family ~

I haven't read much commentary, but the little I have has been very kind towards my beloved Liz. And to that I say: AMEN! And thank you, Liz, for saying to Caroline what I've been saying about Liz supposedly not being a bad parent. (Per last week's write-up: [It] shows how awesome Liz is! That she was able to put aside her LIFELONG fear/hatred of vampires to accept ... because, damnit, Liz is THAT awesome.) These people have been programmed and trained throughout generations to hate vampires, and yet, Liz overcame that because she is that kind, and smart, and awesome and loves her daughter (and had already been pre-conditioned to accept the awesome a vampire can be because Damon Salvatore is her BFF!).

Not so awesome, but still completely understandable to me, was how her dad reacted. What I loved is that even while he was horribly torturing her (CAROLINE! MY LOVE!), there was never a moment where it wasn't crystal clear how very, very much he loves her. In his own way, he was showing the same kind of love that Liz has (and, obviously, to a lesser degree) for her. Instead of just killing the "monster" she'd become, he was trying to save her, to fix her, to turn her into something she is not. And I loved, loved, that they did not even remotely throw any anvils down that her gay father was trying to turn her against her own nature. It wasn't mentioned once in the episode that Bill is gay, in fact, it hasn't been explicitly stated since episode four of season 1, and hinted at in episode fifteen of that season. But the ironic, simplistic beauty of a gay man trying to "fix" the biological nature of someone was so understated, and so well-done. And Jack Coleman was just magnificent. Yes, Bill's love for Caroline was in the writing, but the scenes would not have been nearly as powerful had Coleman not sold a father's love her his daughter so completely.

And one more family dynamic explored tonight: The Originals. I love that Rebekah is another Original, and it wasn't hinted at at all anywhere in pre-press, in supposedly throw-away lines here and there prior to this episode. It was just a quick, awesomely shocking reveal mid-episode. And on a scale of one to unbelievably awesome how awesome was Rebekah? This girl is DEFINITELY Elijah's sister. That much awesome is clearly a shared family trait. And obviously Klaus' lack of complete awesome would be because he's only a half-sibling. *Snerk* Seriously, I just thought that Claire Holt was wonderful, fantastic, amazing. She clicked so very well with Paul Wesley, she was perfect as the loving, slightly snotty sister of Klaus. She was alternately sweet, bitchy, sincere, young, ancient and just all-around awesome. LOVED. HER.

Just one small note of 'okay then' about their storyline, though. So, uhm, Klaus just happened to have a dagger dipped in white ash handy on him in THAT specific moment or just in general? And if the latter, boy, does that show how much he trusted Rebekah. And if the former, shows that deep down he expected her to pick Stefan (which, of course, it's Stefan! Of course!) and was prepared. (Rather like Damon with Lexi in "162 Candles." He knew she could have easily chosen to run off and save her hide, but when she instead chose to attack Liz, he had the stake handy. That's right. I'll never stop reminding people that, stake handy or not, Lexi COULD HAVE RUN, but instead chose to ATTACK CAROLINE'S MOM and Damon saved HER life. Yeah.)

~ Issues, Some Have Them ~

Yeah, this whole Elena ignoring the Stefan-murdering-people is getting sad. I really, really hope that we are going to have a massive breakthrough/realization of how horrific this all is from her end. I think we are; in the meantime, I do understand (still) why Elena is not there yet. I genuinely believe that she is hanging on to her 'must save Stefan' mentality even though she knows that it is a lost cause at this point, because she simply can not deal with losing someone else. As I said last week: Her life has basically become a war -- those she loves on one side constantly under battle, at risk, their lives a moment away from being gone like that. Every single person that she loves now (excluding Matt and Tyler, and I wouldn't say she loves the latter) has LITERALLY died. Two of them died well before she knew them, but still, they died. She knows the price, she knows the loss. And she's clearly subconsciously decided that if it means risking people she doesn't know, she's going to not think about it because, damnit, she's lost too, too many people she loves already, and she refuses to lose anyone else, or not have someone come back from the brink.

So, as of now, I can still buy her ridiculous blinders. A perfect example was how she read Stefan's journal: Skimming through the entries until she could find the "good" Stefan. Anything that veered from that, she flipped right past. She is in utter and complete denial. She can not deal. And I get it for now. But not for much longer. I can hold out until sweeps, but if we don't get some sweeping (heh!) wake-up call before the end of those, I'm calling foul. But I do think it's coming. That look on her face when she realized she was looking at a list of his victims before she just shut it down, and quickly tried to turn it back to a "comfortable" place by putting it on Damon as being bad too was telling to me.

It's as I said above, she's in full-on-Elena-denial mode about everything, including Stefan's murders and that something between her and Damon. She's trying to act like nothing has changed because I think too much bad has happened and she simply is not emotionally ready to deal yet. So, she is clinging to the belief that Stefan is still the "good brother" that she loves and Damon is still the "bad brother" who annoys her. Think of the Elena we met in the Pilot, she was coming out of a four-month funk where she'd emotionally shut down. I think she's in a similar place. Not as bad, not as shut-down, but rather she's put herself and her viewpoint in stasis, and she's convinced herself that if she continues to believe, gets Stefan back to "normal," Damon kept in his place, her life can resume and she won't have to do yet another re-adjustment. It makes perfect, psychological sense. That dam just needs to eventually crack; I do believe that it will. I do. I have faith in this show.

Another issue I've seen mentioned elsewhere, but one I don't share at all is about Damon and Elena running off to rescue Stefan (again), but not caring about Caroline's absence. Uhm, what? It's clearly been like one day since she was taken. With all that has gone on, it's perfectly reasonable that Elena wouldn't have noticed that Caroline didn't call her in a 24-hour period (the Tennesee-trip day). They did not know, had absolutely no way of knowing, that Caroline had been kidnapped. Tyler chose to go to Liz, and clearly not even try and let Elena, Damon, et al. in on what was happening. How Damon and Elena are in any way at fault for not choosing to help and rescue Caroline is beyond me.

~ Whee! Random Stuffies! ~

- So is the original witch the original Petrova? The one the doppelgangers are based upon? I do wonder.

- Damon had some FABULOUS lines tonight. My personal favorite: {Gasp} "I'm shocked! Stefan's not a virgin?" It's all in the delivery, Mr. Somerhalder, and as always, you are brilliant.

- Ooh, another witch. And she's black. (Seriously, show? Come on. Spread the racial witchy wealth, m'kay?) But she was also pretty dang cool! And very cool that uber-powerful witches can slow down their aging with spells and herbs.

- Speaking of ... OH MY GOSH!!! Someone PREFERS Damon!??!?!?! Over Stefan?!?!?!?!? Is this The Vampire Diaries?!?!? Are we sure about that?

- So who is this Eric* dude? Is he another Original hunting them down? Is he another witch (ooh! maybe they are sharing the wealth!) who can age well? Or will we only see him in flashbacks? Intrigued, I am.

* Name apparently subject to change, but that's all we got right now. :)

- So Damon went shopping for Elena, and got her a short, short dress, that didn't do much to highlight cleavage. Can we take it then that Damon Salvatore is a leg man, and not so much a boob guy? * Okay, they may have packed the dress, but why would they? I still like the idea better that Damon bought the outfit cuz I'm weird like that, LOL! Never mind, I rewatched that part and Damon handed her an overnight bag, not a shopping bag as I originally thought. Ah well, it was a fun thought, hee!

- Katherine in a 20's Flapper bob. How cute!

- This was such a strong episode, that I didn't even notice until near the end that we hadn't seen hide nor hair of Jeremy, Bonnie, Matt and Alaric. (Still, I'm excited to have Jeremy and Bonnie back next week!)

Okay, if I forgot anything, I don't know what it was because I just went on and on here. Bottom-line, crappy sickness and my stupid couple-girl mentality dinged this episode a bit for me, but it was so very awesome that even those two things couldn't disguise its overall sheer awesome. And Caroline Dries scores again!
 
 
 
bluesuzannebluesuzanne on October 2nd, 2011 03:36 am (UTC)
Loved reading through your thoughts on this ep. I especially loved what you said in point 4 of Stefan/Elena. It kind of seems to me that there's very much a platonic base to Elena's feelings for Stefan and that that's what operating here, rather than the romance aspect. I think it's interesting that they really toned down the declarations and physical gestures, and I loved what you said about the "I know that" being a moment of realization.

I kind of disagree on point 3 though, in that I think it was necessary for Stefan to treat her roughly. Or that he may have thought it was necessary. I mean... she is pretty damn determined with these things - killing Andie didn't put her off, so... But having said that, I don't think him treating her roughly really had any effect on her. I feel like it was less what Stefan was saying to her, and more an epiphanic experience coming from within her at that moment.

Personally I love the bitchy banter aspect of D/E, for the reason you explored. It's totally about Elena trying to keep the giddy, tender feelings at bay. AND YES, you're so right. It was so great that she was pissed about him not rushing to her side. She really does think of them as kind of... each other's person, you know? It's kind of become a you-and-me thing for her, and that's amazing.

Paul had great chemistry with the girl playing Rebekah. I still ship Stefan/Katherine and Stefan/Caroline more but... I don't know. Loving this development too.

I agree with you 100% on the Klaus/Stefan front. LOVE IT. LOVE IT SO SO MUCH. It's such a great surprise to find that they had a genuine bond and that it can be revived. And yes, you make an excellent point about Klaus hating Damon so much and refusing to consider including him in all the fun because, well, he's Stefan's actual brother and Klaus is an (amazing) jealous little bitch. ♥

I tend to think that Klaus did have the knife on him in preparation for such a scene with Rebekah. Like I said... jealous little bitch. He was probably already starting to be concerned about her love of Stefan and loyalty to him, and decided he needed to be ready to put her in her place if the need arose, lol. GOD I LOVE HIM. HE'S SO AWFUL AND WONDERFUL.

I genuinely believe that she is hanging on to her 'must save Stefan' mentality even though she knows that it is a lost cause at this point, because she simply can not deal with losing someone else.

Agreed. I think the 'I can't give up on you' line to Stefan was really indicative of this. She can't handle the guilt associated with losing another person. I also think that fully facing and accepting Stefan's dark side would mean fully facing and accepting Damon's dark side and acknowledging that if Stefan is a viable romantic option for her then Damon is too. God knows she doesn't want to do that. Imagine the guilt of not only giving up on Stefan but being in love with his brother? Yikes.

Oh my god, I noticed that bit where the witch preferred Damon and I was like WHAT??/ WHAT IS THIS??? Such an awesome role-reversal moment.

HAHAHAH WAIT. I DIDN'T REALIZE DAMON WENT SHOPPING. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A BAG FROM THEIR CAR OR WHATEVER. CHRIST. LOL.

Oh yeah and I'm with you 100% on Caroline/Tyler. It's just not working for me. To be honest though, it really hasn't worked for me since the ep where she stayed with him while he changed. It was kind of like the chemistry equivalent of a one hit wonder? Idk.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on October 3rd, 2011 01:05 am (UTC)
Re: Point 4/SE -- Yeah, it really did come across from a platonic base. It didn't feel about her need to save him came from romantic love at all. As for Point 3, I can see your point, but I still think that the physical violence was a tad over the line, and not something that Stefan not on human blood would ever do willingly.

I loved what you said about the "I know that" being a moment of realization.

That really, really struck me on rewatch.

Personally I love the bitchy banter aspect of D/E, for the reason you explored.

I do enjoy it; I'm just ready for more. But yeah, the reason I can appreciate it is because of what it represents re: Elena and her denial.

She really does think of them as kind of... each other's person, you know? It's kind of become a you-and-me thing for her, and that's amazing.

Oh, I love how you phrased this.

Paul had great chemistry with the girl playing Rebekah. I still ship Stefan/Katherine and Stefan/Caroline more but... I don't know. Loving this development too.

Well, I think I prefer Stefan/Rebekah over Stefan/Katherine already simply because it's the writing of S/K that makes me ship them, as opposed to the chemistry because Paul and Nina just kinda lack in that department for me.

Klaus is an (amazing) jealous little bitch. ♥

He soooooooo is!

I think the 'I can't give up on you' line to Stefan was really indicative of this. She can't handle the guilt associated with losing another person.

Yes. This whole ignoring what he's doing, not dealing is all about her utterly understandable psychological problems at this point. Girl has been through A LOT in the last few years.

I also think that fully facing and accepting Stefan's dark side would mean fully facing and accepting Damon's dark side and acknowledging that if Stefan is a viable romantic option for her then Damon is too. God knows she doesn't want to do that. Imagine the guilt of not only giving up on Stefan but being in love with his brother? Yikes.

Yeah, really, really good point.

HAHAHAH WAIT. I DIDN'T REALIZE DAMON WENT SHOPPING. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A BAG FROM THEIR CAR OR WHATEVER. CHRIST. LOL.

I could be wrong, but I just can't imagine why she would have packed a cute little dress for the trip, you know? And the way Damon said it, just seemed like he'd gone shopping. I mean, he threw her a shopping bag, not a packed bag, right?

No, I just rechecked that part, it was just a regular bag, so I imagine it was something that she packed. Ah well.

Oh yeah and I'm with you 100% on Caroline/Tyler. It's just not working for me. To be honest though, it really hasn't worked for me since the ep where she stayed with him while he changed. It was kind of like the chemistry equivalent of a one hit wonder? Idk.

Yeah, it's like once they actually became more obviously heading towards couple-dom, the potential just took a nose-dive.

Edited at 2011-10-04 06:27 pm (UTC)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: DE in bedbadboy_fangirl on October 2nd, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
Maybe that's what it is--I can ship Stefan and Elena when it's not romantic! I hadn't pieced it together the way you do here, but I inexplicably enjoy all of their scenes now, actively look forward to them even, and it makes no sense considering my D/E stance, but now, it's all starting to come together. Platonically, I can get behind S/E, which does make sense when I think of the way I've written them in fic. I value their relationship, just on a different level.

Very, very interesting.

Anyway, we've already discussed the brothers thing, but I do think your points about Stefan's "negotiation" with Klaus last season is very interesting. It's all the twists and turns and the unexpected emotion that always gets me with this show, and it makes me go back to my firm belief that Stefan's story is about Damon--and that perhaps the arc this season of most importance, not just to me as a viewer, but to the dynamic of the whole group, will be these brothers finding their way back to each other in a real and honest way. Like, Damon tells Stefan he needs his brother (call back to "Rose") and Stefan gives Damon his blessing to be with Elena (call back to "You're Undead To Me"). That would make so happy.

I'm really pulling for the Elijah-Rebekah-Niklaus reunion now too. More importantly, I'd like a callback where Elijah says something to Stefan about Klaus's insecurities being what drives him--the lack of any actually preferring him so that Stefan can see the parallels with his own brother, who never has anyone (except a random witch who doesn't age) prefer him. Of course, once Elena tells Damon she prefers him, maybe it will finally negate all those issues for Damon.

And, by the by, I think the scene where Damon comes back all unapologietic apologetic to Elena might be one of my favorite scenes of them ever. It was just so loaded with subtext, which you point out, and I loved it. And everything that comes out Damon's mouth--the drool comment, the panties comment, the Stefan's not a virgin!? comment, Elena being roadtrippy and gross comment, etc. He is the apple of my eye, that guy.

And I love this icon so much, I want to marry it!

Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on October 3rd, 2011 03:12 am (UTC)
Maybe that's what it is--I can ship Stefan and Elena when it's not romantic!

Hmm, you're doing better than I, season 2 did such a number on me with those two that I just want their scenes to be done and over with. I think it's going to be a while before I can even remotely enjoy any Stefan/Elena scene.

I do think your points about Stefan's "negotiation" with Klaus last season is very interesting.

It was something that came to me while writing the post and thinking about how Stefan reacted to the necklace. I then started thinking well maybe that doesn't work because Stefan hated Klaus, and then I started thinking of how, well, wait, he was more believing that Klaus could be persuaded to do the right thing ... hmmm.

it makes me go back to my firm belief that Stefan's story is about Damon--and that perhaps the arc this season of most importance, not just to me as a viewer, but to the dynamic of the whole group, will be these brothers finding their way back to each other in a real and honest way.

I sure hope so. After Damon/Elena, Damon and Stefan are definitely my favorite relationship on the show. :)

I'm really pulling for the Elijah-Rebekah-Niklaus reunion now too. More importantly, I'd like a callback where Elijah says something to Stefan about Klaus's insecurities being what drives him--the lack of any actually preferring him so that Stefan can see the parallels with his own brother, who never has anyone (except a random witch who doesn't age) prefer him. Of course, once Elena tells Damon she prefers him, maybe it will finally negate all those issues for Damon.

Yeah, I really can't wait to see the three siblings interact. And, I'm waiting for something to happen to help Damon with his very real and understandable insecurities.

And, by the by, I think the scene where Damon comes back all unapologietic apologetic to Elena might be one of my favorite scenes of them ever. It was just so loaded with subtext, which you point out, and I loved it.

It really was just so very wonderful. Loved it too.

And I love this icon so much, I want to marry it!

Aww, thank you. :)
vamplover85vamplover85 on October 2nd, 2011 04:48 am (UTC)
- Speaking of ... OH MY GOSH!!! Someone PREFERS Damon!??!?!?! Over Stefan?!?!?!?!? Is this The Vampire Diaries?!?!? Are we sure about that?
OMG that's hilarious! I was thinking the same thing! Over Stefan?? HA. That's freaking funny. But loved that she liked him over Stefan, just to think that's there's someone out there that isn't in for Stefan at all. :P
on the Elena part, totally whole heartily agree with you on that. She's acting in denial and only wanting to know about the good parts of Stefan he's a vampire for crying out loud, I think sometimes she forget's that, and to do this and to have him kill and torture and hurt people she's trying to see the good instead of the bad, she's in denial and I HATE that part of Elena. She's so over hell bent, and I'm so glad that Stefan finally ended it because she needs a GOOD wake up call. For reals. I'm not getting into all your details, but I really agree with the whole Stefan, Rebekah, Katherine thing going cause that what I feel too. They are fun, and he is fun with him instead of boring. That why I never cared for Stefan/Elena, never. I just couldn't. lol. That was my favorite line from him too, he's perfect at his one liners. :D
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 3rd, 2011 03:13 am (UTC)
Well, I don't hate that part of Elena. I completely get WHY she's that way, so I can't hate on her for it. The girl has been through so very much the last few years that I can't help but cut her slack.

Damon really was fantastic with the one-liners this episode. :)
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archangel_bloodarchangel_blood on October 2nd, 2011 10:08 am (UTC)
I couldn't watch live on Thursday and missed all the fun, so I'm glad for your delay in posting this actually. Well, not glad that you were feeling unwell of course, but, you know, that I still have the opportunity to discuss the ep.

I am tired of the two steps forward (last episode's wonderful final scene with them), five steps back (tonight's interaction).

I think I've come to expect it at this point, it's like a rule: I just know that when we get something good, it will be followed by a few episodes of bitchiness, angst and backwardness. Sigh. I'm not sure if this resignation is good for my heart or just plain sad.

Though I did like the DE scenes. Especially the one at Stefan's apartment, where she couldn't believe Damon's lack of obvious concern for her. You're so right, it was clear she now simply accepts the fact that he's there for her, no matter what, as one of life's invariables. It was as if she was more upset over Damon's initial seemingly careless attitude, than the almost encounter with Klaus.

Stefan and Elena's conversation... I got an overwhelming sense of déjà-vu after her imploring "come home" - you know, Damon's desperate and arguably clumsy attempt at making her see things his way in 2x01 with that song playing in the background? Elena's attempt here was just as obviously doomed and it also ended in heartbreak. And the circle is almost complete. Now all it takes is for Stefan to get his heart broken by finding out about his brother's and his now ex girlfriend's romantic relationship in the making (I do feel good typing the "ex" lol, does this make me a bad person? Oh, who cares.)

So with you on Stefan and Rebekah! This looks really promising. And seems to be another nail in the SE coffin, which I always approve of :) Seriously though, how would finding another long lost love affect Stefan at this point? He now has feelings for so many women, to varying degrees, he just cannot claim that he knows his heart anymore. Epic love, my ass. Three epic loves and counting, more like. Those come his way quite often, it seems.

Oh, and I did lol at Damon's choice of dress for Elena. Wonder if he also got her all the other stuff to go with it? He now seems to have quite the comprehensive knowledge of the contents of her underwear drawer, so it wouldn't be a problem for him to pick something for her, would it? :D
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on October 3rd, 2011 04:04 am (UTC)
I couldn't watch live on Thursday and missed all the fun, so I'm glad for your delay in posting this actually. Well, not glad that you were feeling unwell of course, but, you know, that I still have the opportunity to discuss the ep.

Oh, even if you get to watch it later, do respond even if the post has been up a few days. I love to hear what other people think. :)

I think I've come to expect [the two steps forward, five steps back] at this point, it's like a rule: I just know that when we get something good, it will be followed by a few episodes of bitchiness, angst and backwardness. Sigh. I'm not sure if this resignation is good for my heart or just plain sad.

Well, I really hope that expectation will meet its maker soon, because it really needs to stop. Start pandering to your biggest fanbase, show, like YESTERDAY!

Though I did like the DE scenes. Especially the one at Stefan's apartment, where she couldn't believe Damon's lack of obvious concern for her.

Yeah, I didn't dislike their scenes (and, like you, adored the scene you referenced), I'm just ready for more. As always, their scenes are gold. I just need ... brighter gold?

it was clear she now simply accepts the fact that he's there for her, no matter what, as one of life's invariables. It was as if she was more upset over Damon's initial seemingly careless attitude, than the almost encounter with Klaus.

I know, right? I absolutely loved that little peek into Elena's psyche regarding Damon. :D

Stefan and Elena's conversation... I got an overwhelming sense of déjà-vu after her imploring "come home" - you know, Damon's desperate and arguably clumsy attempt at making her see things his way in 2x01 with that song playing in the background? Elena's attempt here was just as obviously doomed and it also ended in heartbreak.

Hmm, I didn't get that vibe at all. When I rewatch it again, I'll have to keep that in mind.

And the circle is almost complete. Now all it takes is for Stefan to get his heart broken by finding out about his brother's and his now ex girlfriend's romantic relationship in the making (I do feel good typing the "ex" lol, does this make me a bad person? Oh, who cares.)

Then I'm bad too because I loved reading it. Let's just hope it sticks! :D

So with you on Stefan and Rebekah! This looks really promising.

Oh, weren't they awesome?!?!!?

And seems to be another nail in the SE coffin, which I always approve of :) Seriously though, how would finding another long lost love affect Stefan at this point? He now has feelings for so many women, to varying degrees, he just cannot claim that he knows his heart anymore. Epic love, my ass. Three epic loves and counting, more like. Those come his way quite often, it seems.

Yeah, Elena is so not it for him. Whereas for Damon, it was only Katherine and he even realizes now that it was built on an emotional lie (on the other hand, the only real truth for Katherine with her and Stefan were her feelings for him), and he's discovered his first, real true love with Elena. (Aww!)

Oh, and I did lol at Damon's choice of dress for Elena. Wonder if he also got her all the other stuff to go with it? He now seems to have quite the comprehensive knowledge of the contents of her underwear drawer, so it wouldn't be a problem for him to pick something for her, would it? :D

Very true. Hee!
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 2nd, 2011 10:45 am (UTC)
So....You already know I agree with what you wrote here....and my thoughts would that I'll write in here a bit later will be the re-posts of my random scriblings from my journal. But first..THIS:





“’I’ve blacked out days. I wake up in strangers’ blood. Places I don’t recognize with women I don’t remember.’ *gasp*

I’m shocked! Stefan’s not a virgin?”

I was rolling on the floor. laughing.....Somerhalder was E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T here. Cheery on top is the serious face he makes and keeps after delivering the line. LOL LOL LOL LOL
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 3rd, 2011 04:05 am (UTC)
His reading Stefan's diary, and that line ... man, just slayed me. He really is so awesome at line delivery, it's just WOW!
eolivet on October 2nd, 2011 02:30 pm (UTC)
Oh, I LOVED this ep. LOVED. THIS. EP. Might be one of my favorites ever. I didn't even notice the lack of D/E progression, because I don't think they were the point. You know me, and I ALWAYS love when they dial back the cast (witness how much I adored "Klaus," which was basically the Elena/Elijah/Klaus/Katherine/Damon/Stefan Show. ;p )

But I LOVED THIS:

I gotta give props to the show. Everyone and their dog was trying to come up with some nefarious, mysterious and/or complicated reason as to why Klaus was so determined to have Stefan as his sidekick and it was just that he wants his buddy back. And I really, really liked that. Such a simple, but utterly believable reason

Oh YES. Given how family is emphasized on the show...Klaus wants his surrogate family, his buddy, his "brother" back. (Actually, ha -- just realized this is further reinforcement of the "Everyone wants Stefan" theme -- not just women, but guys, too -- LOL)

Oh, Stefan/Rebekah...LOVE. :D I can't WAIT to see more of them together!!! AMAZING (as is your icon! :)

But the ironic, simplistic beauty of a gay man trying to "fix" the biological nature of someone was so understated, and so well-done. And Jack Coleman was just magnificent. Yes, Bill's love for Caroline was in the writing, but the scenes would not have been nearly as powerful had Coleman not sold a father's love her his daughter so completely.

Wow...didn't even think of this until I read it in reviews. :) That's...kind of amazing. And yes, Bill was perfectly cast. Jack Coleman was ALWAYS the best part of "Heroes" (IMO) and his love for his superhuman daughter the most endearing and constant part of the show. :) Surely that was not lost on TVD's casting people -- who I actually think are some of the best casting people on television. Seriously. Everyone is just SO spot-on (I know you were skeptical of Klaus, but after this week, surely you're a believer now? :p )

I was a Caroline/Tyler girl, but I'm kind of cooling on them. I didn't see much chemistry this week or like...evidence of deep, abiding love (I actually thought it was kind of lame that Tyler "rescued" Caroline, when it was really Liz who did so!)

(He's still better than Matt, though, LOL -- but yes: Stefan/Caroline. The best option. ;)

OH MY GOSH!!! Someone PREFERS Damon!??!?!?! Over Stefan?!?!?!?!? Is this The Vampire Diaries?!?!?

Heeeeeeeeeee!!! SO true. :D

Oh, I LOVED THIS EPISODE SOOOOO MUCH!!! :D
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on October 3rd, 2011 10:17 pm (UTC)
Actually, ha -- just realized this is further reinforcement of the "Everyone wants Stefan" theme -- not just women, but guys, too -- LOL)

Seriously, it's almost a joke at this point.

Oh, Stefan/Rebekah...LOVE. :D I can't WAIT to see more of them together!!! AMAZING (as is your icon! :)

Thank you, and yes, so much yes. I still heart Stefan/Caroline the mostest, but I imagine that I won't be getting them for a while yet (if ever, sniffsniff), so I'm very much enjoying Stefan and Rebekah, I'm genuinely surprised at how moved by them I was, but I can't wait to see their current day interaction now. I mean, I LOVED that moment in the present when he said her name, and she just totally melted looking at him. Aaaaah!

TVD's casting people -- who I actually think are some of the best casting people on television. Seriously. Everyone is just SO spot-on

I don't know, I'm still not 100% keen due to the terrible Rose and Luka casting. Especially Rose. She was SUCH an important part of Damon's arc last season and the casting was just dreadful. Rewatches just highlight just how bad Lauren Cohan was. But, yes, overall, they do do very well.

(I know you were skeptical of Klaus, but after this week, surely you're a believer now? :p )

He is good; however, I still think that they could have gotten a more charismatic actor overall. It shouldn't have taken this long to get me content with the idea of him as Klaus. With more backstory, he's working much better, but, no, I'm still not 100% sold on him in the role. I do believe that they could have cast Klaus better, but I'm accepting of Morgan in the role.

I was a Caroline/Tyler girl, but I'm kind of cooling on them. I didn't see much chemistry this week or like...evidence of deep, abiding love

I just really don't think they work as a couple; the romantic chemistry is just not there.

(I actually thought it was kind of lame that Tyler "rescued" Caroline, when it was really Liz who did so!)

Very good point!

(He's still better than Matt, though, LOL -- but yes: Stefan/Caroline. The best option. ;)

Obviously, I agree re: Stefan/Caroline, but I actually prefer Caroline with Matt -- at least chemistry-wise -- over Tyler.
Thoughts= stars I can't fathom into constellationsthesicko1012 on October 2nd, 2011 04:16 pm (UTC)
I usually never read long reviews on an episode, but I can't help but really look forward to yours. How do you get your thoughts so well mapped out and explain them so clearly? While half of what you wrote are things that I have also thought with no way to express them clearly (or even thought anyone would agree with me), the other half is stuff that I would have never noticed for myself but completely agree with. You have totally opened my eyes on so many aspects of this show and, if possible, even made me love the show more.

I also love that we both kinda look for the same things in the show. The same things we love and the same things bug us. While I respect everyone's point of view and do enjoy a little debate here and there, it is refreshing to find a fan that views it the same way I do. Makes me feel better about where I stand with the show. Like the fact that we share some of the unpopular opinions (not being completely won over by Tyler/Caroline or Klaus).

So, yep, keep writing these reviews. They are awesome and I really like hearing what you have to say. Maybe one day I can give you a comment of actual substance and discuss certain point you made specifically. That's only if and when the day comes that I can express a coherent thought. :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena06arabian on October 3rd, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
I usually never read long reviews on an episode, but I can't help but really look forward to yours. How do you get your thoughts so well mapped out and explain them so clearly? While half of what you wrote are things that I have also thought with no way to express them clearly (or even thought anyone would agree with me), the other half is stuff that I would have never noticed for myself but completely agree with. You have totally opened my eyes on so many aspects of this show and, if possible, even made me love the show more.

Wow, thank you so much. I'm glad that I'm able to give you more reasons to love the show! As for how do I do it? I just sit down and jot down different aspects in phrase or two, group them in like sections and then just go to town, free-wheel-writing my thoughts, and hope it comes out making some sort of coherent sense, LOL!

I also love that we both kinda look for the same things in the show. The same things we love and the same things bug us. While I respect everyone's point of view and do enjoy a little debate here and there, it is refreshing to find a fan that views it the same way I do. Makes me feel better about where I stand with the show.

Yeah, difference of opinions is great, but it's really nice to know there are others out there who think similarly to you.

Like the fact that we share some of the unpopular opinions (not being completely won over by Tyler/Caroline or Klaus).

I think the former are joining are ranks. I've been seeing some commentary from folks who were fans who are becoming a tad unenchanted as the season continues. Klaus is working better, but I know he'll never be 100% for me, but I do like him and can actively enjoy him most of the time onscreen if not be blown away by him.

So, yep, keep writing these reviews. They are awesome and I really like hearing what you have to say.

I really do appreciate you saying so. :)

Maybe one day I can give you a comment of actual substance and discuss certain point you made specifically. That's only if and when the day comes that I can express a coherent thought. :)

Go for it. I'd love to read your take on things. I will tell you that often I come up with new bouts of AHH! while writing my posts, and/or responding to comments. It really does help clarify things sometimes.

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Arabian: Stefan04arabian on October 3rd, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC)
Yes, it is getting frustrating, and I'm really holding onto the belief that we will see her heavily deal with a wake-up call. I don't even want to think of how I'll react if it doesn't happen, because COME ON!

the theories as to why Klaus really wanted Stefan were all over the place. It was quite hilarious to see all the different ones out there, and then the show makes it something as simple as wanting his buddy back. ILU, SHOW.

SO. MUCH. THIS!


I thought Tyler/Caroline were somewhat cute there at the end, but overall they are just not working anymore for me either. Which sucks because I really enjoyed their build up last season.


I really think it's a case of the storyline dictated build-up couple chemistry, and the actual couple-part of it depends so completely on the chemistry between the actors ... and I don't think they have *that* kind of chemistry, alas.

ancholiaancholia on October 2nd, 2011 06:34 pm (UTC)
It was a great episode, one the best in my opinion. There were so many great moments, some of the best Damon's lines and a strong storyline.
I know everyone is complimenting Paul Wesley's acting but Ian Somerhalder is the one who amazed me the most because he played Damon's emotions very subtly I think. In the scene in Stefan's old apartment, he manages to play 3 or 4 differents emotions at the same tim.

Rebekah is perfect, I wasn't sure when I heard about the actress because i saw her in Pretty little liars (guilty pleasure...) and she wasn't bad but not remarkable either but she truly blew me away in TVD. And when Klaus said she was his sister, I couldn' t believe it at first. I love her, I ship her with Stefan. I can't wait to see more of her!

Klaus is becoming a 3D character and not just THE vilain and here again I want to know more, who does he hide from. Is the guy at the end his father?! There's clearly been a conflict in the Original's family as Rebekah reminded us.

Damon/Elena, my ship, I agree with you that while understanding, Elena's denial and snapping at Damon is getting old. I hope she realizes in the up coming episodes that Stefan is gone and that he's never been a saint.

There are two things I liked less:
- the repetition of Caroline being captured and tortured, even though it was well done and the angle was smart
- I was expecting some more shocking, twisted reason for Klaus wanting Stefan. I blame the show for this, I'm used to this big twists so I was a bit disappointed at first. More so that I had this whole theory about Damon and Stefan having different fathers and Stefan being somehow a descendant of Klaus. Finally it was about family, just in a more simple, metaphoric way.
Arabian: Stefan & Rebekah01arabian on October 3rd, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
some of the best Damon's lines and a strong storyline.

Yeah, this episode REALLY excelled in those two areas.

I know everyone is complimenting Paul Wesley's acting but Ian Somerhalder is the one who amazed me the most because he played Damon's emotions very subtly I think. In the scene in Stefan's old apartment, he manages to play 3 or 4 different emotions at the same time.

I agree. I think that people are so happy to finally have a reason to go "Yay! Paul Wesley!" because he's really being given a chance to shine now, but Ian's awesome should never be overlooked!

Damon/Elena, my ship, I agree with you that while understanding, Elena's denial and snapping at Damon is getting old.

I DO believe it's heading somewhere though, I REALLY do.

I hope she realizes in the up coming episodes that Stefan is gone and that he's never been a saint.

She needs that wake-up call BIG-TIME!

- the repetition of Caroline being captured and tortured, even though it was well done and the angle was smart

I don't have this huge problem with it that everyone else does because it's not like Damon hasn't been tortured a lot, and Stefan hasn't had his share of torture. Elena is kidnapped a lot, Jeremy internet-searches a lot, Alaric drinks a lot, and Caroline is tortured a lot. It's just her thing, you know. Seriously, though, I guess I just don't mind because it's actually only been TWICE and it's happened a lot more on varying scales to Damon (and Stefan).

I was expecting some more shocking, twisted reason for Klaus wanting Stefan.

That's why I loved it; because it was so unexpected.

I blame the show for this, I'm used to this big twists so I was a bit disappointed at first.

Yeah, I wasn't disappointed because to me this *was* a huge twist. We were all expecting something huge, shocking and twisted and that it wasn't was so surprising. He just wanted his best friend back. I loved the unexpected simplicity of it.

More so that I had this whole theory about Damon and Stefan having different fathers and Stefan being somehow a descendant of Klaus. Finally it was about family, just in a more simple, metaphoric way.

Well, I've learned to not get attached to my theories with this show because they are on a different wavelength that it's best to just go with their flow, LOL!
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Brothersbutterfly on October 2nd, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
Caroline/Tyler is feeling a little... hmm, I thought about this after we talked on the phone and I think that my issue is that it's a bit paint-by-numbers. I do like them and I think they have chemistry, but I think it may have been more 'sparky friends' chemistry - like when Caroline was looking out for Tyler in S2, before things got complicated, they had a lot of connection in those scenes. But now that things are straight-up physical/sexual/romantic between them, it falls a bit flat.

Yeah, that title ("The End of the Affair") really could only apply to them because clearly it's not Stefan and Klaus, or Stefan and Rebekah -- those are both on the precipice of a fresh start; Damon and Elena haven't even truly begun, and Caroline and Tyler are in the beginning stages of their love story. That leaves Stefan and Elena.

I agree with this a lot. Stefan only just got back his memories of Rebekah and Klaus - it's obviously not the end of anything there. I think that this may be the S/E break-up that will stick. And it gets kinda emphasized that Stefan has options for the first time. He never did, before - he was constantly denying everything to do with Katherine and making it clear that he would not go there again, Lexi was 'just a friend', Caroline was positioned as 'like Lexi' (despite their strong chemistry and the hopes that I have for their potential future). This is the first time that Stefan has been given a viable alternate romantic interest. Now there are two families - each with a brother and a girlfriend - that Stefan could be part of, that both want him, and each appeal to different parts of his personality.

Delicious internal conflict; I love it.

We know from Jeremy -- thank you, Jere! -- that even when memories are compelled away, the feeling remains. The final bit we saw with Stefan in this episode was a compelled-to-forget-him seeing that necklace on the floor, picking it up, and feeling something, a softer emotion by the look on his face. I found that quite significant.

Yes. He saw the necklace and even though he couldn't remember Rebekah, his heart knew what it felt on seeing the necklace. He genuinely cared about her.

This moment told us and Elena that she doesn't believe 100% what she is saying (that she can save him); also, that Stefan is being effected by his bender-behavior to the point that he'd even give her that moment of fear.

Hee, I said something similar in my post last night!

Also, yes, Klaus is totally jealous of Damon. And I think he's also annoyed at how he doesn't impress Damon at all. lol

Another issue I've seen mentioned elsewhere, but one I don't share at all is about Damon and Elena running off to rescue Stefan (again), but not caring about Caroline's absence. Uhm, what? It's clearly been like one day since she was taken. With all that has gone on, it's perfectly reasonable that Elena wouldn't have noticed that Caroline didn't call her in a 24-hour period (the Tennesee-trip day). They did not know, had absolutely no way of knowing, that Caroline had been kidnapped. Tyler chose to go to Liz, and clearly not even try and let Elena, Damon, et al. in on what was happening. How Damon and Elena are in any way at fault for not choosing to help and rescue Caroline is beyond me.

Yeah, first Elena was on a day-trip to Tennessee, which was scary and Elena probably dropped right off to sleep after, and then she was woken up by Damon at 6 in the morning the next day and they went right off to Chicago. When did she have time to realize that Caroline was missing? School isn't in session right now, so it's not like she has the expectation of seeing Caroline every single weekday. They are not joined at the hip.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on October 3rd, 2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
Caroline/Tyler is feeling a little... hmm, I thought about this after we talked on the phone and I think that my issue is that it's a bit paint-by-numbers.

That's a good description.

I do like them and I think they have chemistry, but I think it may have been more 'sparky friends' chemistry - like when Caroline was looking out for Tyler in S2, before things got complicated, they had a lot of connection in those scenes. But now that things are straight-up physical/sexual/romantic between them, it falls a bit flat.

I just responded to someone above and I think this nails it for me: It's a case of the storyline dictated build-up couple chemistry, and the actual couple-part of it depends so completely on the chemistry between the actors ... and I don't think they have *that* kind of chemistry, alas.

I agree with [the title referring to S/E] a lot. Stefan only just got back his memories of Rebekah and Klaus - it's obviously not the end of anything there. I think that this may be the S/E break-up that will stick.

I sure hope so!

And it gets kinda emphasized that Stefan has options for the first time. [...] This is the first time that Stefan has been given a viable alternate romantic interest. Now there are two families - each with a brother and a girlfriend - that Stefan could be part of, that both want him, and each appeal to different parts of his personality.

Dang, that is SUCH awesome insight. I love it. You are so very right. It's ... damn, I love this show! AND going back to the Stefan/Caroline aspect of it, why I think she (and Damon as his brother) would be the PERFECT endgame mix is because Caroline is like a cross between Rebekah (vampire/fun party gal) and Elena (good, empathetic girl) that would appeal to a properly meshed form of Stefan, and a Damon (as he is now) contains the one who understands the monster, but also can be there for him as the good guy.

Delicious internal conflict; I love it.

He saw the necklace and even though he couldn't remember Rebekah, his heart knew what it felt on seeing the necklace. He genuinely cared about her.

YUPPERS!

Also, yes, Klaus is totally jealous of Damon. And I think he's also annoyed at how he doesn't impress Damon at all. lol

It probably really does piss him off that he doesn't impress Damon in the slightest, LOL! (Whereas Elijah did. WHEE!)

RE: Damon/Elena not rescuing Caroline -- Yeah, first Elena was on a day-trip to Tennessee, which was scary and Elena probably dropped right off to sleep after, and then she was woken up by Damon at 6 in the morning the next day and they went right off to Chicago. When did she have time to realize that Caroline was missing? School isn't in session right now, so it's not like she has the expectation of seeing Caroline every single weekday. They are not joined at the hip.

Exactly. I really do NOT get those complaints at all. Sometimes I think it's people just wanted to nitpick at the show without actually paying attention to what is actually happening on the show. :shakes head:

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vanimy: TVDvanimy on October 2nd, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
First, I'm really glad you feel better. That TVD Thursday curse sounds pretty scary. :o

Second, boy am I glad to see another of your reviews! :) As someone else said you put some of our feelings in such eloquent words.

Yeah, that title ("The End of the Affair") really could only apply to them because clearly it's not Stefan and Klaus, or Stefan and Rebekah -- those are both on the precipice of a fresh start; Damon and Elena haven't even truly begun, and Caroline and Tyler are in the beginning stages of their love story. That leaves Stefan and Elena.

I almost didn't dare to hope when I saw that title but yeah, I think you're right it totally refers to Stefan and Elena.

1.) The necklace. Whoo boy!
This tangible symbol of Stefan and Elena's love -- which is flat-out referred to in next week's promo as such -- was actually an intangible symbol of a former love of Stefan's.


Exactly. If I were a Stelena fan I'd be totally pissed about this latest twist. Poor Elena when she finds out.

This moment told us and Elena that she doesn't believe 100% what she is saying (that she can save him); also, that Stefan is being effected by his bender-behavior to the point that he'd even give her that moment of fear.

I didn't catch this on first viewing but you make perfect sense. Elena was worried for a split second of being ratted out to Klaus by Stefan, telling, no?

4.) Actually, that entire final scene between them didn't play out at all how I would have expected. It was quite unromantic. She didn't tell him she loved him, didn't talk of how she needed him, how they had to be together, reminded him of their great love, etc. The closest thing to romance she said was "come with me" and the "with me" was given no special significance. [...] I expected her to kiss him, nope, she didn't even go there.

Mmh... so that's why I actually liked their scene for the first time in ages?? Because it wasn't romantic? Great find. I didn't even realize it myself, just noticed that for once I liked a Stelena scene.

I expected him to close his eyes in anguish, fighting the tears when he got his point of view over her shoulder.

Yeah, I was totally expecting that one too, I really thought 'and here he walks away, tears in his eyes because he didn't mean what he told her, prepare for eyeroll' but no, he almost looked, IDK, relieved in some way because he was leaving that part of his life behind? I thought it was a real clear sign Stefan didn't care as much as I though he did.

Nope. I expected tears from her, tears and anguish from him as he walked away.

Mmh, she did look sad though and resigned.

It annoyed me while watching, but on reflection (and upon a full season rewatch, I'm sure it will work beautifully in the arc) it makes perfect sense. She knows that the something between them is beginning to spiral out of her control, and so she's trying to create new boundaries to keep *it* at bay.

MTE exactly. It didn't really bother me that they took some steps backwards with Delena, I was expecting it after last episode. And it did make perfect sense for Elena to react that way. And I think Damon gave her this opportunity too by being his usual annoying self, invading her privacy, taunting her...

I also loved that scene with Damon coming back after Elena is almost discovered by Klaus. I just love how Ian played that scene, how Damon was obviously trying not to lose it but his worry coming through in his 'Are you okay?"

But OMG I didn't even realize he spent an hour shopping for that dress. lol
vanimy: D/Kvanimy on October 2nd, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
Oops, I'm way too chatty.



One other note about Damon and Elena that I found quite interesting. Really, what does it say about how strongly Damon believes in and feels about Elena that he 100% believed that she could bring Stefan back within five minutes? Whoah. That's some major faith in her awesome there.

I agree and disagree here. Disagree because I found Damon too trusting in Elena in this one. That plan was kind of stupid, it would've been really cheesy if Stefan had fallen victim to the same old trick (vervain dart while being hugged) and what would they have done if Stefan had? Klaus wouldn't have let them go just like that... Even though it's obvious Damon just wants his brother back I couldn't help but wonder if he wasn't indulging in Elena's needs here.

Tyler/Caroline : I loved them in this episode, sorry. ;) I guess I love them more when they're being sweet like this than in that supposedly hot scene from the premiere. I'm so weird! :P

You know what did though? Stefan and Rebekah! Seriously, what *is* it about Paul Wesley?!?!

Mwahaha! MTE! I thought 'Dammit! Not another ship, show!!'

I'm shipping Stefan with way too many people (Elena at the beginning, Katherine, Caroline, now Rebekah after only one episode! lol). Only this show can get me on board with a ship after one freakin' episode. See Elijah/Katherine, Elijah/Elena (well not really shipping but feeling the chemistry indeed), Stefan/Caroline, and now Stefan/Klaus (I totally get those vibes from Klaus now :P)and Stefan/Rebekah.

Re : Damon/Stefan/Klaus

I have nothing to add. You said everything perfectly!

He really doesn't like him, and yeah, I think it's because of how much Stefan loves him.

Klaus doesn't like to share, does he? He's so childish, I love it (Elijah's totally the eldest sibling in this family!).

It's the first time I've been really enjoying Klaus and Stefan together and Klaus at all so far. So kudos to the writers indeed.

I really cheered when Liz came to rescue Caroline. I'm so happy she's finally on her side. And you're right about her father, even though those torture scenes were unbearable you could see the love from her father.

Ditto on Elena stuck on saving Stefan. I think it's because she can't lose anyone else indeed but also because Elena is an extremely loyal girl, she just doesn't give up on the people she loves (look at her forgiving Damon even after what he's done to her, because she sees the real him) and that's one of the things I love about her. So I'm not surprised either.

- Damon had some FABULOUS lines tonight. My personal favorite: {Gasp} "I'm shocked! Stefan's not a virgin?" It's all in the delivery, Mr. Somerhalder, and as always, you are brilliant.

Ditto. I. Died. Laughing.

- Speaking of ... OH MY GOSH!!! Someone PREFERS Damon!??!?!?! Over Stefan?!?!?!?!? Is this The Vampire Diaries?!?!? Are we sure about that?

LMAO!!

- This was such a strong episode, that I didn't even notice until near the end that we hadn't seen hide nor hair of Jeremy, Bonnie, Matt and Alaric. (Still, I'm excited to have Jeremy and Bonnie back next week!)

Me neither! :o
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Bogwitch: TVD - Carolinebogwitch on October 3rd, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
I'm terrible at this discussing thing. All I can add to the dicussion is the thought that if Damon went shopping for a dress for Elena, then why did he pick one with such an ugly belt arrangement did he not get her any shoes?
Arabian: Caroline06arabian on October 3rd, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know, it really wasn't the bestest, maybe it was an unconsciously selfish move on his part in the hopes that if she didn't look as hot as she could, Stefan would be less inclined to be persuaded? LOL! I dunno. Plus, it is a guy, would he really think of a proper belt and/or shoes? I'm giving him a pass for this. I say we (as always) blame it on the wardrobe department, LOL!
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Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 4th, 2011 10:02 am (UTC)
Part 1
I would have posted my thoughts on your review much much sooner...but my internet line decided to betray me, so here I am, with my "thinky thoughts" now:

“They already said as much in "The Last Day" when Elena told Stefan she never planned on being a vampire for him, and Stefan knew that. They were never meant for "forever." They certainly didn't believe so about the other. And so much about what happened in this episode re-confirmed that. Let us list them, shall we?”

True, I agree, but then if she were to be in a relationship with Damon, then the same problem arises. The things about her not EVER wanting to be a vampire, and for her to remain “normal”, have kids. So as much as the fact of Elena denying being a couple with Stefan for forever speaks volume about how they are not supposed to be together, there are other MUCH more bigger facts which are wrong in their relationship, like Stefan’s deceptions, lies and et cetera. I think keeping the vampire thing apart, this whole Stefan/Elena relationship is a bit dysfunctional, unhealthy and honestly they can take a clue or 2 on “How a healthy couple” begins” from Damon and Elena’s relationship instead. Damon’s also a vampire and he’s the mean one, but still, their relationship makes more sense on a logical basis than that of Stefan/Elena’s and I am definitely NOT saying this JUST because I am Delena fan.

“This moment told us and Elena that she doesn't believe 100% what she is saying (that she can save him); also, that Stefan is being effected by his bender-behavior to the point that he'd even give her that moment of fear.”

The fact that annoyed me is Elena, being such a strong, smart, mature, sensible person, she is behaving quite immaturely right now. I understand it’s because she has gone through so much. But it’s also true that she isn’t oblivious to the danger that is Stefan and the danger that lurks around someone when they are close to him right now. She is On-Alert but still has softened features around Stefan, which indicates that she perfectly knows the extent of the situation, but she still has hopes.

“Also, that Stefan is being affected by his bender-behavior to the point that he'd even give her that moment of fear.” AND the interesting fact is that SHE believed that Stefan was going to tattle. I mean, like you said if still she thinks that Damon’s the “bad brother”, why in the face of grave danger does she runs or lies on Damon for help and support and why does she believe that the LOVE of her life and the “good brother” Stefan was ANY sort of danger to her. It says that she is perfectly aware of every single little thing that she outwardly shows she doesn’t care or notice.

Arabian: Ian Somerhalder05arabian on October 4th, 2011 02:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 1
but then if she were to be in a relationship with Damon, then the same problem arises. The things about her not EVER wanting to be a vampire, and for her to remain “normal”, have kids.

No, the fact is that she doesn't love Stefan enough to WANT that forever. I think (hope) that she WILL love Damon that move. That HE will be the one that she wants to turn and give that all up for. I choose to believe that part of why we got that moment with Elena and Stefan is because it will contrast when she chooses those things for/with Damon.
Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 4th, 2011 10:03 am (UTC)
Part 2
“Yeah, this whole Elena ignoring the Stefan-murdering-people is getting sad. I really, really hope that we are going to have a massive breakthrough/realization of how horrific this all is from her end. She is in utter and complete denial. She cannot deal. And I get it for now. But not for much longer. I can hold out until sweeps”
Elena’s “CONSCIOUS DENIAL”…. What can I say? She is just going to end up being more hurt, confused and distressed if this state of hers as of right now continues to exist. All I want to say about this fact is, although, on some level I do understand (which is also due to your awesome explanation in the review…Thank You!) why she might be behaving the way she is, even after having ALL the information and personal experiences of Stefan’s rampage, I am just worried how much it is going to affect her, when she finally accepts spades for spades. Like you said, it is going to hit her like a tonne of bricks. What then? She’ll be devastated and it’s awful to see her be like that….Plus again, her having to support on someone to get over her sadness/situation, it’s kinda painful for me.

“So, she is clinging to the belief that Stefan is still the "good brother" that she loves and Damon is still the "bad brother" who annoys her. Her life can resume and she won't have to do yet another re-adjustment. It makes perfect, psychological sense. That dam just needs to eventually crack; I do believe that it will. I do. I have faith in this show.”

I have faith in this show too, I just hope they make her realize that there’s no such thing as a “good brother” or a “bad brother”, in case of The Salvatore Brother’s. The goodness or badness between these 2 brother’s JUST depends on the perspective of how, when or more specifically in what state you are finding or knowing them. I think she knows it better than anyone. But she is choosing to believe otherwise. To have a sense of equilibrium or normalcy in her life, just like you mentioned.

“Speaking of ... OH MY GOSH!!! Someone PREFERS Damon!??!?!?! Over Stefan?!?!?!?!? Is this The Vampire Diaries?!?!? Are we sure about that?”

No Wonder I LOVED this WITCH!!! She is awesome!

“So Damon went shopping for Elena, and got her a short, short dress, that didn't do much to highlight cleavage. Can we take it then that Damon Salvatore is a leg man, and not so much a boob guy?”

Au contraire I would like say , that Damon Salvatore might be little bit of a boob guy after all. Because when he was conversing with Gloria and he said “Damn if I knew you aged like this I would have stuck in here for longer”… he was staring straight AT HER boob ALL THE WHILE. While watching it, there was this one time I exclaimed at my screen “Her Face is up there…and those don’t talk honey”…, and remember Bree? Remember how he was sizing her up? He might not be a boob guy with Elena, but sure is, with other people.

“Katherine in a 20's Flapper bob. How cute!”

Eh….I kinda hated her hair…. :/

Arabian: Katherine05arabian on October 4th, 2011 02:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 2
You're only the second person I've read who didn't hate it, but different strokes, I guess, LOL!
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Azmiri Sultana Mridulmridul777 on October 4th, 2011 10:04 am (UTC)
Part 3.....Oh Boy!! Sorry for the length...couldn't stop myself there!
About the ‘brother” thing that you so aptly wrote, I just wanna say that I LOVED every bit of it. Especially the parts where you wrote the “missing” of gaps in the brothers’ lives, how and who they fills it up with(or tries to fill it up with). And also the parts where you explained why Klaus dislikes Damon. It was great and I totally agree.
Damon and Stefan; their bond is different. I know it's an understatement but it's different than most sibling bonds. They're connected in weird ways. Stefan has this hole in his life because Damon's missing, he fills his hunger and void by doing outrageous stuff. Then he meets this guy who's also a "Sad orphan" like him. Both cast away by parents for who they are, and both of them has their parent's blood on their hand (in Stefan's case it's just the father, which however was an accident, but nonetheless!) So somewhere along the line, they relate with each other. Stefan, who is a lone Ripper, has this brother, who was literally his other part. Now, when that brother is gone he finds this other guy, who likes him for who he is. And both of them (Klaus and Stefan) likes each other for the bad parts. I mean, the sheer fascination, and fan girl pride is visible in Klaus's face when Stefan was doing his tricks with Liam Grant. These are the stuffs that Damon hated, despised. And what’s interesting was that, Stefan who says it repeatedly that his Ripper self is something he can never let go of or completely divert from, he was willing to change in a moment when Damon threatened to leave. He became Dr. Jekyll from Mr. Hyde in a flying second at the fear of losing his brother. So it means, that the places that these brother’s have in each other’s life, it’s unlike anything. Each becomes something completely unthinkable without the other.
But Stefan became the Ripper and that's a part of his self he can't change, though he wanted to, so that he could be with Damon. But Damon got disgusted and left him. That must've hurt. So here Stefan gets this friend, this ally who helps him, understands his pain, AND treats him like a brother. Stefan kinda behaves like a follower. He finally gets a companion who treats him like a brother, who is fascinated by what STEFAN does. Earlier, in the Damon and Stefan equation Damon was the one Stefan looked up to, he was the one who fascinated/dazzled and Stefan was the one who got captivated and followed what his older brother did. But in Klaus and Stefan’s case, he gets to play the “Damon” bit for a change, it’s a sort of role reversal and he loves it, Stefan might also love the fact that Klaus accepts him for his darkest parts and therefore Stefan behaves like a follower, like he did in Damon’s case as well. But this time, with Klaus, he’s not only a younger brother and a side kick, he a comrade…A follower with an attitude that is kinda being worshipped.
But the noticeable thing is that when he is surrounded by good influence (e.g. Human and newbie vamp Damon, Lexi etc.) Stefan behaves or at least works hard to be good and when he is surrounded by bad influences he is FATAL.
I think Stefan suffers a little bit from “follower’s syndrome”. Acceptance and approval are BIG things for him, a fact for which he was ALWAYS the golden or poster boy. As we now know that there is so much more to this character Stefan, not JUST the vampire Stefan, we might conclude that even as a human being, he wasn’t exactly what he outwardly showed to everybody else. His image that was construed was because he wanted everyone to like him and know him as the “good brother” all the while. He had a desperate starvation for acceptance and positive approval from EVERYONE, which can be understood from his lines in the episode “Miss Mystic Falls” where he states that he is supposed to be the “good brother”. There’s soo much more to this brother theory than it looks. And every single word means something. Nothing is irrelevant.
Arabian: Stefan01arabian on October 4th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 3.....Oh Boy!! Sorry for the length...couldn't stop myself there!
I do agree that Stefan is not this black and white hero that some of his fans (and reviewers) want to cling to. And I really agree with this: I think Stefan suffers a little bit from “follower’s syndrome”. Acceptance and approval are BIG things for him, a fact for which he was ALWAYS the golden or poster boy.

Absolutely.