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07 May 2011 @ 11:42 am
Musings on 'The Big Bang Theory'  
After the last couple of new episodes of The Big Bang Theory, I was tempted to write a post about it because there have been some really strong episodes lately. But I was too tired, too wrapped up in The Vampire Diaries, no time, etc. Well, a third new episode aired and I laughed and loved it so much, I decided to make the time. So here is some TBBT-rambling.

I haven't written about The Big Bang Theory in length in a long time. Partly it's because I don't have nearly as much time as I have in the past because of my job. Partly it's because I am so ridiculously obsessed with The Vampire Diaries, it's not even funny. And partly because whatever hope I cherished during the first three seasons, said hope for any significant coupling between Sheldon and Penny has dwindled to nothingness, and I continue to find Leonard and Penny (and their horrible relationship) the very worst thing about the show.

I don't buy any great love between them; I don't think that Leonard was a better boyfriend to her than any other guy we've seen her with other than that he didn't cheat. He still treated her as less than and truly came across as just being in it for the sex -- dude flat-out said it THREE TIMES! while they were dating. I just do not see it at all. And it doesn't help that -- dated or not for two years in real life -- Johnny Galecki and Kaley Cuoco do not have a lick of believable romantic and/or sexual chemistry in my opinion.

My other big issue this season is that with the arrival of Amy Farrah Fowler, the Sheldon/Penny scenes have been reduced to practically non-existent. I believe they've had four (maybe five) scenes with just the two of them all season long. And we're just about at the end of the season. Even scenes that look like they'll be gloriously S/P of old don't wind up that way because Amy shows up in the scene. Don't get me wrong, I like Amy -- more on her later, I'm just beyond frustrated that her arrival has meant that Sheldon and Penny now barely interact. As someone who enjoys the heck out of Jim Parsons and Cuoco's interaction, it really sucks. A small example was the quick scene with them in last week's episode when Sheldon needed to use her bathroom, and the whole knock, move thing -- all 30 seconds of it -- was just hysterical with perfect comic timing, and rhythm. These two actors work incredibly well together and having that lack does make me feel as if the show is, well, lacking a bit.

With those negatives out of the way, though, I do have to say that the show continues to crack me up for the most part. And I absolutely adore that we now have Penny, Bernadette and Amy as friends, and we see their hijinks and get-togethers frequently. And all three of them (plus Priya) are individual characters and not carbon copies of the other. The development of their friendship has been my favorite thing about this season.

Well, second. My favorite thing has been the awesome of Amy Farrah Fowler. I still stand by my criticism of Mayim Bialik in the finale last year. She was doing a painful caricature of Sheldon. However, by making Amy a different character, one who embraces the fascination of social interaction and yet still has many of the Sheldon-quirks, Bialik has truly created -- along with the writers -- a wonderful character. Amy cracks me up, she makes me smile, she makes me feel for her. I adore her "besties" friendship with Penny, and get the hugest kick out of the three girls together. I don't even mind the ganging-up-on-Priya mentality because it is what girls can do in such a situation. And it's not as if Priya is this horrible person. Things are just shaded due to the situation.

Last Thursday's episode was a perfect illustration. Priya supposedly made a snide remark about Penny; it was in fact her praise of Penny not giving up on her dream to be an actress. Could it have been said with a snide undertone? Sure, but we don't know that. It just as easily could have been said with a note of admiration. What can I say? I like Priya. I get that she's being a bit controlling with Leonard, but Penny is his ex. She is very attractive, and obviously someone who Leonard would have considered unattainable and Penny broke up with him, not vice-versa. And Penny was hanging around the guys (Leonard) all the time, she was way too casual and close to Leonard than a current girlfriend would be comfortable at the start of a relationship, so I'm fine with Priya.

With the show in general, I also like how they've shaken things up. I'm even okay with the recent Amy/Sheldon stuff even though I doubt extremely highly they are going where I had speculated when I still believed, LOL! Ie, that Amy was going to be a stepping stone to Sheldon becoming open to a relationship and, oh, look! There's Penny. Obviously, they're not going there, and we're supposed to buy this true love soulmates story between Penny and Leonard. Which I don't.

So, yeah, I still do have that terrible hump to get over in enjoying this show. However, I love the actors, the characters, the new turns the show has taken -- investing in the female characters, the girls' friendship. And it's fabulous that we've gone back to a bit more of the geeky stuff, and the boys' friendship -- the 3-person chess game stuff in this last episode was awesome! Overall, it's still a hilarious show, and I still mostly love it. I still think sometimes of what could have been, but ah well. It's still a fantastic show and I'm glad I watch it.
Beccy: TBBT ~ Sheldon/Penny1epic_love on May 7th, 2011 06:02 pm (UTC)
ITA! TBBT is still a fantastic show, and I still laugh hysterically through every episode, but Sheldon/Penny have disappeared, and not just my hope for them becoming romantic (that was always a long-shot) but just any kind of interaction between them in general. Everytime I think I'm gonna get an SP episode or even just a moment, Amy comes and ruins it (although I do love Amy).

And so the loss of SP has taken away the extreme obsessive love I once had for this show, which is sad 'cos I do still enjoy the hell out of it.
Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - CBSartarabian on May 7th, 2011 06:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much this word for word. :)
ThroughAnAmberFocusamberfocus on May 7th, 2011 09:23 pm (UTC)
I've been really enjoying the relationship between the 3 girls. What I'd like to see is for Raj to find a girlfriend though. IMO he's the most attractive of the four guys and the nicest and you would think there'd be a girl out there who would be willing to push through his shyness to be with him. I have a hard time buying Leonard with Priya. He's had not one but two extremely pretty girlfriends and much as I love his character, it's just not that believable that two hot girls would fall for him. One, maybe, but two? People are too superficial for that in real life.
Arabian: Christopher Eccleston_02arabian on May 7th, 2011 09:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. Especially when you have the chocolatey beauty of Raj RIGHT THERE!

(Thank you for responding by the way, seeing your post reminded me to go looking for the new DW. HEE!)
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Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - Pilotarabian on May 7th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
Yup. This.

I most likely will never get my couple; I will have to continue to deal with the icky of Leonard/Penny, but I still have my awesome show that has rediscovered its heart, and left much of that nastiness of the 9:30 slot behind it. :)
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Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - Duckarabian on May 7th, 2011 10:29 pm (UTC)
When the 8:00 announcement was made, one of the reasons I was happy is because it meant that much of that sexual/dirty humor would have to go out the window. Thank God, it did!

Also, since they got renewed for a few years I'm hoping they will ignore the Penny/Leonard situation for awhile. Even my fifty eight year old dad says they have no chemistry.

Here's hoping!
Dulcedecorumest: SheldonPennydulcedeusex on May 9th, 2011 06:50 am (UTC)
Great post
OH GAWD. The Leonard/Penny thing is god-awful. Main reason I stopped watching the show after Season 4 episode 10. I'll probably just wait for the rest of the episodes to air and watch the rest in one sitting.

I too love the "besties" element of Season 4 though, but I mostly tuned in for the Cuoco/Parsons chemistry. Don't know if I'm gonna be able to watch some "Leonard/Penny = Endgame" stuff... I don't know. I hate to dump the show though so am toally torn. And we'll always have the first three years right? *g*

obstinate, headstrong girl!: TV » The Big Bang Theory » Sheldonzombie_boogie on May 10th, 2011 03:30 pm (UTC)
I LOVE AMY FARRAH FOWLER. I had no real opinion on her last season, but I adore her this season. It is too bad that there are fewer S/P friendship scenes, but I love her interactions with Penny and Bernadette too. They're like their own little mirror group! One of my big issues with the show is that fandom never seemed to acknowledge that it had just as many problematic issues with regards to women as any other male-oriented sitcom, but people were willing to ignore that because the characters are nerds (hey, nerds can be jackasses too!). So, I like the additional female perspective. Still despise Leonard/Penny and wish they would just drop it already.
Maeve: BBT: Sheldon's Proud of Pennymarble_rose on May 10th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
I can't believe I missed this post. This is pretty much exactly what I was getting at with my post, except much expanded upon, of course. But yeah, I still think TBBT is a good show. At least I don't have to watch Leonard and Penny make out this season, so that's a plus. And they've toned down the utter dick that inhabited Leonard's skin last season, so.

I think this show is going to be a lot like Doctor Who for me. While I still enjoy what we're getting and there are a lot of new things to love, I'm still really nostalgic for what it used to be. I'm probably always going to be nostalgic for Nine/Rose and S2 Sheldon/Penny, but I can at least enjoy the show for what it is now.
Thinkeyda_think on May 10th, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
I agree far too much here
I miss sheldon/penny too :/
love_dettylove_detty on May 11th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
I smiled so many times reading your post and this is because I found so many parts that I feel the exact same way about them.

Amy Farrah Fowler-I can't decide.I honestly can't.

I really believe that if I wasn't a die-hard S/P shipper, I would be so close to even love this character. But I can't. I can't enjoy what she adds to the show, or at least I can't fully enjoy/appreciate it.
She has come a long way..at first I really despised her. We already had one Sheldon and I thought that we didn't need another one! Also mid season she was keep "pushing" the L/P so much! We had her reminding to Penny of Leonard and Priya and underlining to her that she should feel awful now that Leonard found another match. That was getting on my nerves big time!

But at the same time, I was also one of the ppl that believed that she might be a stepping stone for the Shenny. She made Sheldon to admit that he has suppressed his sexual desire and he even showed some signs of jealousy for her and Zach. And so I was like "ok that suppressed desire might get awaken at some point by Penny!" Cause at the end of that episode Amy rejected Sheldon when she hold his hand and felt nothing. My assuption on this was that of course she didn't, they are so alike that they don't attract one another. He needs someone different, someone like Penny. My hopes were up again.

Who knew that she would take something away from the S/P dynamic?? The season premiere was very promising for me. I even went so far as to say that it was a Shenny premiere. I was expecting something good this season. But I should have known that we wouldn't get it, when they put the "soft kitty" song so early on! Now it feels as if they wanted to get rid of it, to diminish it in a way.


I still don't believe the Shamy kiss happened. And it was so different from the one with Beverly. He didn't pull away, he returned it! HE EVEN SAID "FASCINATING"! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Was it just for the laughs or he liked it? But these writers do one thing and then they leave it that way. No continuity. And I'm torn between the two:
On the one hand,I'm happy that Sheldon got kissed by a woman and didn't get crazy about it cause that could mean Shenny. But one the other hand, Amy spoiled Sheldon's first kiss. And I don't know whether this was a message to say that he can only be with that kind of a girl and never with the normal one next door with whom he has such an amazing chemistry.

So I can't say that I'm thrilled with the Penny/Amy/Bernadette stroryline this season. I mean they're fun, but I miss the time when Penny was the only girl among the boys cause that was giving us much more S/P witty banter and alone time together.

Bottom line:

My Shenny obession keeps from liking the show the way it is.
And I feel so delutional because I still have faith in it. Even when everything is heavily against it, I can't say that this ship has sailed away for me. Cause my problem is this: I can't be a shipper that likes them only as a non-canon couple. I want the something more. And I believe that we'll see a S/P kiss at some point. Even in a dream sequence. We've seen all the other crazy kisses. Raj/Howard, Raj/Bernadette and now Sheldon/Amy. It has to happen..

PS: do you know why g_girl143 has disappeared? Her Shenny work was giving me so much hope..
Frust-sheep: TBBT: Penny&Sheldon-sleepingfrust_sheep on January 31st, 2012 05:33 pm (UTC)
I have to admit, I'm new in this fandom, BUT I think you are so right again. Today I watched 3x1 & 3x2 and again I feel nothing for Penny with Leonard and really I think too, these two have a horrible relationship, when they have one. *rolleyes* "the very worst thing about the show" So so true. I like the character Leonard, but not with Penny. Ok I can live with a friendship between them, but nothing more. He just wants Sex and that he can say he has a hot girlfriend. *arg* I really have no clue too, what & why the writers do this. *rolleyes again*
My opinion: Leonard and Penny together are just boring. There is no ground for a good relationship and I think Penny with Sheldon, they both complete each other and bring the best out of each other.

Sorry I babbled so much now and I'm sure you heard this already and/or wrote this, too. It is just so frustrating...

Anyway at the moment I read lots of S&P ffs. Oh so much thanks to them. :D
Arabian: Sheldon & Penny - Pilotarabian on January 31st, 2012 06:54 pm (UTC)
I actually stopped watching the show a few weeks ago. I couldn't deal with L/P or the growth of A/S. Ah well. And I just wasn't laughing as much.

It hasn't been updated (and likely never will be) since season 03, but here's my S/P rec list. :)