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28 April 2011 @ 10:38 pm
2.20 - 'The Last Day' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Another Thursday, yay, The Vampire Diaries. Sniff, sniff, only two episodes left now.

- Just getting the Stefan/Elena stuff out of the way quickly and then I'm done with them because if I go into detail, I may see rage-y colors again. I can only hope that the reason we had so much time spent on Sightseeing with Stefan Salvatore was ...

i.) so that viewers could hear Elena emphatically say that she doesn't want to be a vampire (unspoken -- even to be with Stefan), wants to grow old, have kids, etc. (unspoken -- that she can't do with Stefan), which will contrast with Elena wanting to turn, and forsaking those things for Damon.

ii.) because when Stefan and Elena are over, they will be over and good. Period. And so this season of ever-increasing nicely wrapped presents to the Stefan/Elena shipping community is their lovely parting gifts to enjoy as long as Stefan/Elena last ... and it ain't gonna be much longer.

This episode once again made it so clear why I believe non-Stefan/Elena fans are so very sick and tired of them and their U-T-T-E-R stupidity. While Damon was trying to convince Klaus to postpone the ritual, working with Alaric (and Katherine, to a degree) in redressing his whole make-Elena-a-vampire move, saving Caroline and Tyler, getting attacked by a witch, killing a witch, having a gun pointed at him by Boy Wonder, Jenna was getting captured, killed and about ready to transition into a vampire ... Stefan and Elena were looking at waterfalls. LOOKING AT FUCKING WATERFALLS! In the midst of everything that is going on THEY. WERE. LOOKING. AT. WATERFALLS! Yeah, yeah, talking about Elena and the whole vampire thing, which easily (and smartly should have been done) could have been done at the boarding house -- you know where Jenna was, and someplace where they'd be easy to find if necessary and they have really good cellphone reception! Instead, Stefan decided it was a good idea to take Elena out into nature ... and look at waterfalls.

OH. MY. GOD! The impotent stupidity. It hurts my brain.

Okay, so rageiness remains. Ahem.

- I shall continue with my annoyance and get it out of the way. I feel gypped of the Jenna/Elena vampire conversation reveal. I was willing to gloss over it last week, because I assumed we'd get some nice follow-through in this episode. Yeah, not so much. I really would have appreciated more on Jenna dealing with it, and I know that Sara Canning would have kicked ass. Ah well. Oh, yeah, about Jenna. So. She's a vampire too now? You know, on one hand, it is kinda cool, but I'm actually thinking that she might for reals die now because that would be surprising. On the other, I admit, I'm getting a wee annoyed. If you're going to keep promising deaths, show, do it. This bringing back to life (or "life" as the case may be) is not cool.

- Damon. Oh, Damon. I admit, I was completely on his side in this episode. When he fed Elena his blood, I was all, 'right on,' because he's the only one who -- yes, Stefan! -- has the balls to do what has to be done. Still, I was surprised by how un-pissed off (in the scheme of things) Elena appeared about it. I mean, she's been way more pissed at him in the past. No, she doesn't want to be a vampire, but she seemed pretty accepting, and much less rage-y about Damon than I expected. Which makes me think, yeah, she's mad, but she does get it. And, well, it looks like Damon does too. Even though I do think he was right, I appreciated that he realized that even he was, it wasn't his right to force it on her and he did try his damndest to repair the damage he'd done. Even to the point of flat-out telling Klaus about it to get Elena free knowing that Klaus would most likely (definitely) kill him.

Of course, he figures he's going to die anyway now, right? So Tyler did bite him -- which I called way back, but I did change my tune to it being Klaus, but still, I originally said Tyler! I gotta say I ADORED his reaction. It was so an unspoken, 'yeah, fuck.' Great moment there by Ian Somerhalder.

Also great was after he staked Stefan and then left the room. I don't know if it was scripted, was the director's idea or just how Ian chose to play it, but I thought it was fantastic. In that moment after he staked him, it really seemed as if Elena (nor anyone else) was even in the room. It was all about Damon reeling over what he had just done to his brother. Who was kicking his ass! What the hell? Seriously, how was Stefan so kicking Damon's ass? I get that he's been drinking human blood again, but shouldn't Damon's 140 years of it -- including drinking copious amounts of the fresh stuff recently -- give him the edge?

Maybe it was Stefan's anger giving him that edge, making him all heroic? I dunno, if it was, the heroism didn't last long because, damn, Stefan did shit in this episode. Seriously. Damon's the one who made the hard choice to turn Elena -- something that Stefan obviously wants, but would never do ... so Damon does it, but Stefan gets the reward. While people are getting attacked, killed, etc., Stefan takes his girlfriend out sightseeing. And then -- Lord help me because I'm still reeling from Stefan's complete inaction here -- Klaus shows up to get Elena ... STEFAN LET HIM. No fight, no attack, no push, nothing. Just closed his eyes and let her go.

There's respecting her wishes, and there's putting up a damn fight when she's walking to her death, Stefan. I'm sorry, but if Damon was there, he would have done everything in his power to kill Klaus, had the dagger handy, something, anything, but he would have NOT let Elena just walk to her death. Period. I was mind-boggled at Stefan's response to that moment. He SHOULD have fought her at least, raging and crying like he was when she broke up with him even if he knew it was to no avail, he should have in that moment of desperation TRIED! But he didn't. And why not? All I can think is that because after it's all said and done, he gets his vampire girlfriend for all of eternity who will hate his brother for putting her there.

I don't know if this is what the show was intending for us to see, and Julie Plec was just talking bs to get people to watch in her earlier interview, or if I'm really, really missing their point: That what Stefan did was noble and selfless. I'm sorry, I didn't see it that way AT ALL. He didn't even fight in that moment. He just let her go with a few words. Let her go. And then at the end of the day, when all is said and done, what is the one significant action he finally took:

     

Yup, he made a phone call to Damon expecting him to save the day. Oh, Stefan. You know, I really hope that I'm right and that we are supposed to see the selfish, non-perfect Stefan in this episodes because I do love him with all of his flaws and insecurities. Please make them real and not just my hopes because it makes him so much more interesting, with so much more room to grow.

- On the other hand, my bb, Damon, was a hero in my eyes, no question. He did the ballsy thing to save Elena's life, and then tried to repair that when he saw how she truly didn't want it. (Yes, yes, part of it was definitely selfish because thinking he could deal with her hating him forever, and her actually hating him forever are two separate things ... but still, he was willing to die to fix it.) He also saved Caroline -- twice! First by getting her from the tomb, then when Tyler went after her. He chose to save Tyler, didn't kill Matt despite knowing the risk of him clearly knowing what was going on. Then he confronted Klaus to his face, knowing that he was was pretty much facing death. Of course, he also did the last thing there -- and didn't let Stefan know -- after he'd been bitten. He also didn't tell Caroline or Matt, just made sure that they got to safety. Oh, Damon, you do have such good in you. And, hey, this was the first time that other people actually got to witness it in action. Maybe it WILL get back to both Stefan and Elena. Would be nice.

Finally, speaking of Damon ... and Elena. While I did enjoy their scene, pre-make-Elena-a-vampire moment, it felt much like "Daddy Issues" in which Elena used physicality and soft, pretty words to keep Damon calm and doing what she wants. Obviously, it backfired this time, but yeah, she was once again, unintentionally emotionally manipulating him. Girl needs to stop that. But, but, but, the couple-girl in me did enjoy the hand/finger caressing while it lasted regardless of the impetus behind it. :)

And going back a bit. These really are the consequences of her actions. She pushes for this emotional intimacy with Damon because she loves the fact (which she so is not even aware of really) that she has this power over Damon. And then it backfires on her and she gets mad at him. She can't treat him like her sexless boyfriend that she can lean on and create these moments with just to make her feel awesome and not expect bad things to happen. Because, even though I believe it's totally unintentional, that is exactly what she does with Damon. Leaving Stefan to go and make Damon "understand" was not the right move to make because he does love her, and every time she does stuff like that, it chisels away at his control and he becomes that much more desperate to save her.

Okay, a few quick more randoms --

- Damon shirtless in bed. A full shot would have been nice, but I won't complain ... much.

- So, yeah, Caroline was concerned when she thought (rightly) that Tyler bit Damon. Good. I want Damon to have people on his side. Speaking of, so much for Stefan, he who wants friends and to be a part of a community. In this episode, he had deep moments with Damon and Elena. Damon? With Stefan, Elena, Alaric, Katherine, Matt, Caroline, Tyler and referenced strong connection to Liz. Uh huh.

- Heh, Damon calling Stefan "Baby bro," I don't know why, but I got such a kick out of that.

- I did love that Alaric was such a great friend to Damon, there by his side. Aww. (And now that he's been invited into Alaric's apartment, they can have drinking sessions there.)

- Speaking of, would they really kill off Alaric when they just built an apartment set for him a few episodes ago?

- I love Elijah, and I love that he calls Katherine "Katerina." I hope that becomes their thing. Squee! I also liked his little moment with Damon.

- Joseph Morgan as Klaus is so calm even while radiating cheerful evil. It's impressive.

- Also impressive? The lengths that Katherine will go to to survive. Even Klaus has no clue. She knew he didn't want her dead, so she was willing to stand there and burn until he let her go, all in the name of self-preservation. That's our Kat.

- Speaking of, I did love her little pout after Damon pointed out that if she didn't help him, she'd have to fight Elena an eternity for Stefan's love. He's so over her, and Katherine is so adorable when she pouts, LOL!

- I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. Damon's "I'll write her a really good eulogy" about Bonnie cracked me up.

- I totally thought it was Alaric who shot Maddox, but it was Matt. Cool surprise there. I also liked Damon disarming Matt with words before zooming over, grabbing the gun and knocking him out. Even though Matt knows about vampires now, it was a nice reminder to how new he is, that he didn't know to be cautious like that at all. And frankly, I just liked how the whole thing with Damon and Matt was handled. Because it shows how Damon will size up a situation and do what needs to be done, and he's flexible. And, yes, again, damnit, showing his good side! He didn't kill Matt, he saved Caroline twice, he chose to help Tyler and he was doing all he could to reverse his earlier action.

So I say proudly: YOU GO, DAMON! I LOVE YOU, BB!

Before I sign off, I wanted to thank sarcasticcheese. She listens to my impassioned venting and ranting post episodes regarding the lack of Damon/Elena, the abundance of Stefan/Elena, the pile-up on Damon, and helps calm me down, eases my thought process into logic-based thinking thoughts, and helps bring me to my happy place about the show and lets me focus on all that I do love about it. So thank you, m'dear. :)
 
 
 
Mitten: Damonsugarsyringe on April 29th, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
I love it when Damon and Alaric are together on screen. You just know that they're about to do something cool, badass and potentially stupid or risky and that's why I love it. The chemistry between those two! Having a hundred reasons to hate eachother's guts and yet they're helping eachother out instead and taking drinks and ahhh!
Let's just say I really like these guys!

I also think that Damon was the hero of the whole thing (and yet, he gets no credit! ZERO!)
Giving his blood to Elena was the logical non-dumb thing to do! To be willing to sacrifice oneself with one very old elixir as a back up plan ain't that bulletproof afterall! Stefan can try and respect Elena's wish all he wants, that's not noble, that's just lacking common sense and a back bone! Her plan is suicidal afterall. Shouldn't he be looking for another option instead of having Damon do all the dirty work? (seriously! I love Stefan but what's going on with him?!)
Anyway, loved the fight although I really don't get why Stefan won. As you said, Damon's been on the real stuff longer so shouldn't he be able to win? I did like the whole stake moment though, a little action's always great!

Kat was awesome. I'm also a little surprised at how she would feed Damon blood and wait for him to wake up... I would have expected her to try to light him on fire or something! haha. I saw the Jules thing coming though... and the Jenna thing. I'm not a big fan of Jenna being turned into a vampire and not a big fan of Jenna dying either. Meh.
I did love when Klaus told Damon about his back up plan. Damon looked so desperate and just "damn, we're totally screwed" it was touching. I mean, he tried so hard for it not to happen and it still happens. He's just potentially wasted his life for nothing. Good reason to be disapointed.
Yes. I'm sold. Damon has my vote.
... finally... a WATERFALL? really?! What you said on the matter made me laugh out loud. I just can't get over how stupid and uninteresting these scenes were.

Lastly, sorry for spamming you with this huge reply... I won't be able to wait before next week... I won't!
Arabian: Damon03arabian on April 30th, 2011 01:08 pm (UTC)
I love it when Damon and Alaric are together on screen. You just know that they're about to do something cool, badass and potentially stupid or risky and that's why I love it. The chemistry between those two! Having a hundred reasons to hate eachother's guts and yet they're helping eachother out instead and taking drinks and ahhh! Let's just say I really like these guys!

I agree; and I love how Matt Davis played that same line about Damon dying. The first time he said it with a tone of 'dude, you're going to die, you realize that. I don't want you to die.' The second when he got just how much Damon realized that but was still willing to do whatever had the tone of 'yeah, you're gonna die, and that totally sucks, but I'm your bff so I'll do what you want.' I just thought it was awesome how he conveyed so much in those different line readings, and how much it said about Alaric's friendship with Damon.

I also think that Damon was the hero of the whole thing (and yet, he gets no credit! ZERO!)

Well, I did get the impression that Caroline and Tyler were grateful for his help, and Stefan did call him. Hopefully when the dust all settles, there will be some acknowledgment this time, because again, for once, other people are aware of the good that Damon is doing. Normally, everything awesome he does is not known to the Scooby gang.

Giving his blood to Elena was the logical non-dumb thing to do! To be willing to sacrifice oneself with one very old elixir as a back up plan ain't that bulletproof afterall! Stefan can try and respect Elena's wish all he wants, that's not noble, that's just lacking common sense and a back bone! Her plan is suicidal afterall. Shouldn't he be looking for another option instead of having Damon do all the dirty work? (seriously! I love Stefan but what's going on with him?!)

Right, I totally felt that way, but on the other end, it was pretty great that Damon realized that even if he was right (and he was) it wasn't *his* right to force that decision on Elena.

Anyway, loved the fight although I really don't get why Stefan won. As you said, Damon's been on the real stuff longer so shouldn't he be able to win? I did like the whole stake moment though, a little action's always great!

The only thing I can think is that his anger and shock over the whole situation and at Damon allowed itself to build up that strength.

Kat was awesome. I'm also a little surprised at how she would feed Damon blood and wait for him to wake up... I would have expected her to try to light him on fire or something! haha.

Well, I've never doubted that Katherine actually cares about Damon, he's just lower on the totem pole than herself and Stefan. But out of all of the people we know of that are still alive, he's number three on her list. That's not bad. Although, I'm still hoping that Elijah will find his way higher on the list. heheheh.

I saw the Jules thing coming though... and the Jenna thing. I'm not a big fan of Jenna being turned into a vampire and not a big fan of Jenna dying either. Meh.

Yeah, to the first, not so much the second. I didn't see Jenna being made at all, and it would have been awesome and shocking ... had we not AGAIN! been promised a real death. It's getting old, show, very old. If you're gonna kill someone, fine, just don't advertise that you are and then don't. You're taking away the shock value that worked so well with Vicki (both times) and Caroline.

I did love when Klaus told Damon about his back up plan. Damon looked so desperate and just "damn, we're totally screwed" it was touching. I mean, he tried so hard for it not to happen and it still happens. He's just potentially wasted his life for nothing. Good reason to be disapointed.

True, very true.

... finally... a WATERFALL? really?! What you said on the matter made me laugh out loud. I just can't get over how stupid and uninteresting these scenes were.

I didn't find the scenes stupid or uninteresting actually, they were very in character. And that's my point: This is what Stefan and Elena do, and why only their fans aren't just done with them.

Edited at 2011-04-30 01:10 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - sugarsyringe on May 1st, 2011 06:11 am (UTC) (Expand)
distant_lines: Damon and Carolinedistant_lines on April 29th, 2011 03:20 am (UTC)
I'll start out with Stefan and Elena, and then move onto the other good things. It's sad when the (currently) core couple of the show is having the most intense moments of the season and all that stuff, and the only thing I spend the entire time doing is gushing over how much I miss the mountain they were climbing. I lived outside of Atlanta for two years, and that mountain, I'm pretty sure it's the same one, is the one we climbed at my boarding school during like my first week there. It was where I first made friends and formed this amazing bond with two teachers that I still love dearly to this day. Yeah, Stefan and Elena were having their serious moments, and all I could think about was boarding school. Top notch writing guys!

My mind is still reeling from this episode. I just don't even quite know where to start. I'm still on the fence with whether or not Elijah could actually be trusted. We never heard him explicitly say last week that he would save Elena, and they've made it very clear that Elijah is very careful with how he words things. So, I've been on Damon's side with not trusting him. Usually, when someone offers you the perfect plan you've been looking for, it's too good to be true. I hope we get an answer one way or the other though.

Oh, Stefan...I love you, I do, but get off your ass and do something! It pisses me off every single week that Stefan just sits around and does nothing. It doesn't make me hate the character, it just makes me so frustrated with the writers. Paul is actually a really good actor, and if they would actually take a moment and explore his character beyond him being Elena's yes man, then I wouldn't spend so much of my time rolling my eyes. I find that it's a complete disservice to Paul to consistently write Stefan as the boy wonder who never loses. I cannot root for someone that I feel always gets what they want. They need to dirty him up and actually write something for him beyond trying to constantly allowing Elena to not confront very real issues. One problem with their pairing is that they enable the other to bury their heads in the sand and act like nothing is wrong, and that normally leaves others around them completely vulnerable or struggling to get shit done because Stefan and Elena are off playing house.

I did a girly scream when Damon saved Caroline from Tyler. Everyone who constantly bashes him for being willing to throw anyone under the bus can shut it, because keeping Caroline from getting bitten by Tyler wasn't going to save Elena's life. That moment had nothing to do with Elena, but he saved Caroline anyway. I ship the hell out of them on a brother and sister level, so I loved it. I'm hoping that she'll actually realize what he did for her and they'll maybe bridge some sort of understanding with each other.

I have no idea what they're planning with Jenna and quite frankly, I don't care. All that was going through my mind was that Damon better not get blamed for it. Yes, Klaus got Jenna because Damon took Caroline, but if he hadn't, it would have been Caroline dying in that clearing for the sacrifice, so any blame needs to not be laid on him for that.

Now onto Katherine. What are you doing with her, show? Does Katherine care about Damon? Does she actually care about those around Elena? She was feeding him blood and trying to wake him up at Alaric's and she actually seemed concerned when she realized he'd been bitten.

Sort this mess out for me, writers. I would like to not be confused when I go to Europe in a few weeks. Handle this!
Arabian: Stefan01arabian on April 30th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
Part I because I do know how to go and on
I'll start out with Stefan and Elena, and then move onto the other good things. It's sad when the (currently) core couple of the show is having the most intense moments of the season and all that stuff, and the only thing I spend the entire time doing is gushing over how much I miss the mountain they were climbing.

The big problem is that the only things we learned of significance in their scenes were things that we really already knew from between the lines. That Elena and Stefan do NOT talk about vampire stuff -- girl thought the worst part was drinking blood, for reals?!?!?!? -- and that Elena doesn't want to be a vampire, thus doesn't want to be with Stefan forever. That stuff we all knew so it wasn't very exciting, but it did have to be said. The big problem was the location/setting. Because it was, once again, the two of them being morons and leaving in the middle of action to have their created "moments." Had they not left, Jenna wouldn't have been taken, but will you hear Elena blame Stefan about his stupid suggestion to go sightseeing? Of course not. And THAT is what was so frustrating about them, and what has really built up this season. They are such selfish, stupid, teenage-in-love kids with one another. They don't think. And so even though hearing those words, finding out that stuff definitively *was* important, tied in with the typical stupid-ass Stefan/Elena-ness of it, it didn't come across *as* important.

My mind is still reeling from this episode. I just don't even quite know where to start. I'm still on the fence with whether or not Elijah could actually be trusted. We never heard him explicitly say last week that he would save Elena, and they've made it very clear that Elijah is very careful with how he words things. So, I've been on Damon's side with not trusting him. Usually, when someone offers you the perfect plan you've been looking for, it's too good to be true. I hope we get an answer one way or the other though.

Right, I love Elijah dearly, but he didn't argue with Damon when he said that they both knew the elixir wouldn't work. I don't think Elijah didn't know it wouldn't, but I think he certainly knew there was a very good chance it wouldn't.

Oh, Stefan...I love you, I do, but get off your ass and do something! It pisses me off every single week that Stefan just sits around and does nothing. It doesn't make me hate the character, it just makes me so frustrated with the writers.

As long as it IS leading somewhere, I don't mind, because it DOES give Paul layers to play. If we look at as I have -- that he is the more selfish brother who tends to let Damon be the bad guy mostly unintentionally -- you can see those layers and those subtle moments in how Paul plays them.

I find that it's a complete disservice to Paul to consistently write Stefan as the boy wonder who never loses.

But when you have his big brother making all the moves -- and then calling him out on it -- is he really winning? I just have to believe that we are leading to something here, specifically Stefan losing Elena because she pretty much said that while she loves him, he's her teenage boyfriend. He's not who she plans on forever with, even though that is a literal option for her. And Stefan knew that, so his working so hard to keep the status quo makes more sense now because he knows that their relationship has been on borrowed time.

I cannot root for someone that I feel always gets what they want.

Again, I don't feel that he does. What he really wants is Damon and Elena to love him and stay by his side forever without any pesky feelings between them. And that isn't even close to happening, on any level.

One problem with their pairing is that they enable the other to bury their heads in the sand and act like nothing is wrong, and that normally leaves others around them completely vulnerable or struggling to get shit done because Stefan and Elena are off playing house.

This I agree with, but again, I think it's deliberate. And yet another sign of how they really are not this great couple; and that really they do not work.
And here's Part II - arabian on April 30th, 2011 01:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Sar: sexgodpaceisthetrick on April 29th, 2011 03:25 am (UTC)
"Maybe it was Stefan's anger giving him that edge, making him all heroic? I dunno, if it was, the heroism didn't last long because, damn, Stefan did shit in this episode. Seriously. Damon's the one who made the hard choice to turn Elena -- something that Stefan obviously wants, but would never do ... so Damon does it, but Stefan gets the reward. [...........] ... STEFAN LET HIM. No fight, no attack, no push, nothing. Just closed his eyes and let her go." &&&& this is why I love you. Preach it, baby. Really, Stefan did SHIT. How can anyone even argue that Stefan did ANYTHING in this episode, other than talk to Elena? I mean, really? I'm so pissed off at Stefan.

I love your "Stefan Made A Phone Call", Stefan's "heroic" phone calls are seriously becoming the butt joke of TVD. Especially in episodes like this where Damon is running ALL OVER the fucking town, meanwhile Stefan quietly makes a phone call on the side.

"She can't treat him like her sexless boyfriend that she can lean on." THIS SO MUCH! She needs to step away from Damon or dump Stefan already. This 50/50 shit is not working, because I don't really see them as "friends" anymore. At least not in the recent episodes. They never hang out and do silly things together... it's such a D/E melodrama without the sex. WTF.

I love any time Damon references Stefan as "little brother" "little bro" "baby brother" and "baby bro". It's too precious considering how old the boys are!

"- Speaking of, would they really kill off Alaric when they just built an apartment set for him a few episodes ago?" GOOD CALL! Alaric is safe then!
Arabian: Damon06arabian on April 30th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
"Maybe it was Stefan's anger giving him that edge, making him all heroic? I dunno, if it was, the heroism didn't last long because, damn, Stefan did shit in this episode. Seriously. Damon's the one who made the hard choice to turn Elena -- something that Stefan obviously wants, but would never do ... so Damon does it, but Stefan gets the reward. [...........] ... STEFAN LET HIM. No fight, no attack, no push, nothing. Just closed his eyes and let her go."

&&&& this is why I love you. Preach it, baby. Really, Stefan did SHIT. How can anyone even argue that Stefan did ANYTHING in this episode, other than talk to Elena? I mean, really? I'm so pissed off at Stefan.


Thank you, LOL! However, I do have to say that I wasn't pissed off at Stefan. It's in character, and I get why he does what he does. He's not perfect and that anyone can call him so (and think that the show is showing him as such) boggles my mind. I think Julie Plec's interview really set the wrong tone for me; I do think I would have been able to appreciate their scenes and how it really showed how they don't have this supposed wonderful, forever kind of love and how they kinda do know that deep down had I not read that interview. For such a good writer, she can have a lousy turn of phrase in explaining things sometimes.

I love your "Stefan Made A Phone Call", Stefan's "heroic" phone calls are seriously becoming the butt joke of TVD. Especially in episodes like this where Damon is running ALL OVER the fucking town, meanwhile Stefan quietly makes a phone call on the side.

See, I did use that partially as a joke, but I don't think it makes Stefan the butt joke of TVD. In many ways, Stefan is as screwed up as Damon, just internally and in completely different ways. Stefan is just not a man of action. We have to remember that living 162 years or not, when he was killed and turned, he was only 17 and living life as a human and one as a vampire is vastly different, so there is still that teenager very much in him. I feel for him, I do.

"She can't treat him like her sexless boyfriend that she can lean on."

THIS SO MUCH! She needs to step away from Damon or dump Stefan already. This 50/50 shit is not working, because I don't really see them as "friends" anymore. At least not in the recent episodes. They never hang out and do silly things together... it's such a D/E melodrama without the sex. WTF.


Yeah, you're more pissed about this than I was, LOL! I don't think it's 50/50 -- cuz that's way more than Damon is getting, but she does need to recognize her actions. The closest to her getting called on it was in "Daddy Issues," but clearly one time didn't do the trick. Elena is in such deep denial about it, she can't fathom what she is doing. Damon knows he should want her to stop, should call her out on it, but he's only done it the once because he loves the girl, and anytime she's close to him, touching him, looking at him with "her doe eyes" (TM Ian Somerhalder), making him believe that she really does care, he doesn't want it to ever stop because it's all he gets. And, Stefan? Well, Stefan ain't gonna say anything because if he does that brings it all out into the open and he fears that he'll truly lose her to Damon.

I just have to believe that this is all leading somewhere. Because, again, obviously the show is very aware of all of these things. Damon called Elena out on it in "Daddy Issues," In "The Last Dance," Damon called Stefan out for his doing nothing, playing the hero, protecting his image while Damon got shit done in. So clearly the show knows what is going on, therefore this IS intentional, and thus must be leading somewhere.

I love any time Damon references Stefan as "little brother" "little bro" "baby brother" and "baby bro". It's too precious considering how old the boys are!

I know, and this, I think, was the first time he called him "baby bro." LOL! But it shows a truthiness in sibling relation. My younger brother just turned 30, but I still refer to him as -- and almost typed -- my baby brother.

(Sorry for the edits, some major html-fail here.)

Edited at 2011-04-30 01:59 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - paceisthetrick on May 2nd, 2011 02:29 am (UTC) (Expand)
crowandfogcrowandfog on April 29th, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
I really hope that you're right about the reasons why we were forced to endure Stefan and Elena chasing waterfalls. It was so hard to put up with. And yeah, as soon as Elena is taken, Stefan whips out that cell phone. *rolls eyes*

Damon was fantastic tonight in pretty much every single way. I'm pretty sure that Damon won Matt over in, like, five seconds. As he should, because Damon really is the guy that you want on your side, and I think that Matt saw that when Caroline and Tyler were freed and again when Damon stepped in front of Tyler. Hopefully, he will be able to diffuse the Liz situation somehow.

Re: Elena's emotional manipulation of Damon and making him her sexless boyfriend. READ MY POST! READ. MY. POST! IT IS SCAAAAAAAARY HOW OUR OPINIONS ON THIS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. I EVEN USED THE WORDS "THESE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES"!

Re: Julie's interview. If she was being serious when she said what she said about Stefan and Damon (unselfish v. selfish), then the show that she's writing and the show that she's intending to write are TWO. COMPLETELY. DIFFERENT. SHOWS. Cause I've never seen the show she's talking about. Honestly, I don't think that Damon needs to apologize to Elena for making her drink his blood at all. She's all "you won't lose me" and he's all "well, in that case" and then she's all "WTF???" Sorry, Elena, but like we both said, these are the consequences for what she has done.

Also, how much did you hate it when Elena said that Damon DOESN'T KNOW WHAT LOVE IS??? I felt like she was completely blowing off his feelings. It reminded me of what Katherine said (or what someone said about Kat? Memory's fuzzy) that love isn't complete unless it's returned. Yes, Damon has issues, but that's because he's an abuse victim. His emotions are still valid. Even though she followed that up with an "I don't know what love is either" philosophical bs speech, it really upset me, that she responded like that. She should have taken it more seriously, if for no other reason than how hard it must have been for STEFAN to say that out loud. /end rant

Edited at 2011-04-29 03:42 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on April 30th, 2011 02:43 pm (UTC)
I'm not ignoring you, I swear. I have lots of thinking thoughts regrading your last point and I know that's gonna take time. Heck, I'm thinking it might lead me to writing up another post. So I will get to yours (and then I'm hitting ljs of everyone who responded here to read/respond to their thoughts). :)
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Jude: tvd; elijahdanceonstardust on April 29th, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
Stefan made a phone call.
OHHH! POOR BB STEFAN!! IT'S ALRIGHT YOU SPOILED BRAT. God, this is why I love Damon, he gets things DONE. I'm proud to hear that Elena admit "I'm 17 years old, I don't know what love is." Yeah, you're with the wrong brother ho. Seriously what does Stefan have? A magical penis?

This episode once again made it so clear why I believe non-Stefan/Elena fans are so very sick and tired of them and their U-T-T-E-R stupidity. While Damon was trying to convince Klaus to postpone the ritual, working with Alaric (and Katherine, to a degree) in redressing his whole make-Elena-a-vampire move, saving Caroline and Tyler, getting attacked by a witch, killing a witch, having a gun pointed at him by Boy Wonder, Jenna was getting captured, killed and about ready to transition into a vampire ... Stefan and Elena were looking at waterfalls. LOOKING AT FUCKING WATERFALLS! In the midst of everything that is going on THEY. WERE. LOOKING. AT. WATERFALLS!

Now that I think about it (and I will rewatch it). Damon is always go-to guy for Stefan because the bastard doesn't want to get his hands dirty with all that bad mambo jumbo. Of course we all knew that but still, it's more and more obvious while that little brat gets his girl. Stefan says he has Elena's respect but the reality is that he has it because he's a pretentious little douche. Damon is not afraid to show his real self to Elena. So I was super miffed when they were looking at waterfalls while everyone else is suffering.

OH. MY. GOD! The impotent stupidity. It hurts my brain.
Not a top five episode for me.

Damon shirtless in bed. A full shot would have been nice, but I won't complain ... much.
I tweeted "What a great start to an episode." I hope someone caught that. xD

In this episode, he had deep moments with Damon and Elena. Damon? With Stefan, Elena, Alaric, Katherine, Matt, Caroline, Tyler and referenced strong connection to Liz. Uh huh.
Selfish spoiled bastard. lol. Damon ftw.

I did love that Alaric was such a great friend to Damon, there by his side. Aww. (And now that he's been invited into Alaric's apartment, they can have drinking sessions there.)
I squealed pretty loud during that scene. I was like "I LOVE YOU GUYS. YOU RULE!!" They better drink and hang out. *shakes fist*

I love Elijah, and I love that he calls Katherine "Katerina." I hope that becomes their thing. Squee! I also liked his little moment with Damon.
Sorry but I need more Elijah in this episode. I kept thinking when is he going to meet Elena?! WHERE IS HE!? WHY CAN'T HE POP UP AND GRAB ELENA FROM THE WATERFALLS OF DOOM!? IS HE TEAM DAMON? lol.

Joseph Morgan as Klaus is so calm even while radiating cheerful evil. It's impressive.
He's a badass pretty boy...
I like it. He does evil pretty well.

MATT! I was cheering with joy when he went along with them.

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. Damon's "I'll write her a really good eulogy" about Bonnie cracked me up.

My laugh was so loud on that one, my mom came in and said "What's going on?" I was giggling. I love Damon lines. My poor mom, she's missed a few epis, I hope to catch up this season in the summer with her.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on April 30th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
Part 1 cuz, well, you know me.
Hmm, based on your comments, I'm thinking I actually liked this episode (and Stefan overall) a lot more than you, LOL! I just went through the episodes of this season and it just missed being in the top 10, and it's in the top 20 overall. And for a show that has pretty much amazing episodes on a regular basis, that's not bad at all.

See, I don't think that Stefan is a spoiled brat. He's just, well, I guess he is, but in the best sense possible. He is selfish, but simply because his whole life he's been the chosen one, and yet he IS a good guy. He just isn't man of action. And as I said above, we have to remember that living 162 years or not, when he was killed and turned, he was only 17 and living life as a human and one as a vampire is vastly different, so there is still that teenager very much in him. I feel for him, I do.

Seriously what does Stefan have? A magical penis?

Vamp sex is (according to the show) pretty amazing, and considering that Matt Donovan is almost certainly her only comparison, Stefan's penis must seem magical. Just wait until she gets a taste of Damon, LOL!

I'm proud to hear that Elena admit "I'm 17 years old, I don't know what love is." Yeah, you're with the wrong brother ho.

Me too, but, come on, 'ho?' Really? Elena doesn't deserve that. Unlike Stefan, she doesn't even have 145 years of non-human living to offer up any more wisdom. She is only 17. And I liked her saying that partially because I've been noting that a lot this season, that as wise as she is for her age, she IS only 17 and thte show has done a good job of layering her scenes with that.

Now that I think about it (and I will rewatch it). Damon is always go-to guy for Stefan because the bastard doesn't want to get his hands dirty with all that bad mambo jumbo. Of course we all knew that but still, it's more and more obvious while that little brat gets his girl. Stefan says he has Elena's respect but the reality is that he has it because he's a pretentious little douche. Damon is not afraid to show his real self to Elena. So I was super miffed when they were looking at waterfalls while everyone else is suffering.

Yeah, you really don't like Stefan compared to me, LOL! I actually love Stefan. He's my fifth favorite character (sorry, Stefan, yes, Elijah jumped over you). I don't think he's a bastard or a pretentious douche, he's a severely screwed up, emotionally damaged 17-year old kid who was forced to live an undead life he never even understood and has been trying to make amends for the evil he committed post-turn ever since, and continues to fight that vampire nature daily. Damon was 25 when he was turned, he'd been to war (and deserted from said war), and is used to being looked down upon, treated with disappointment and less than, so he can make those tough choices without fearing the consequences because he's already felt them. Stefan hasn't, and so it's a legitimate, albeit less-than-noble, fear of hs.

"OH. MY. GOD! The impotent stupidity. It hurts my brain."

Not a top five episode for me."


Let me clear, I didn't think the episode or the writing was stupid, I thought that Stefan and Elena were stupid. Which is in character. Because they both are 17-year olds who have had a LOT of stuff thrust upon them and both have the tendency to bury emotions and what-not and bury their heads in the sand and they bring out that even more in the other. So it's definitely in character.
Re: Part 1 cuz, well, you know me. - danceonstardust on April 30th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part 1 cuz, well, you know me. - arabian on April 30th, 2011 08:04 pm (UTC) (Expand)
And Part II :) - arabian on April 30th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: And Part II :) - danceonstardust on April 30th, 2011 07:09 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: And Part II :) - arabian on April 30th, 2011 08:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
tams71tams71 on April 29th, 2011 05:52 am (UTC)
In the words of Charlie Sheen...WINNING describes your entire post!

I don't know about anyone else, but if I was about to die at the hands of a crazy werepire or become a member of the Undead Club, I certainly wouldn't be climbing a waterfall so I could star in my own version of The Sound of Music. Like you said, the only good thing to come of the epic hike was that Elena made it clear that she never intended to turn for Stefan, which will hopefully, as you also said, demonstrate a crystal clear contrast to what things will be like when she and Damon are finally brought together and she decides that FOREVER is what she truly wants with Damon.

I had a feeling that Damon would feed Elena his blood (wish it hadn't been forced but hey, what are you gonna do right?), because really, what else could Damon do that he hasn't done and been forgiven for. I'm glad that he took the initiative, granted he did it impulsively, but he was absolutely right, Stefan never would have had the balls to do it. In my opinion, acting impulsively and not thinking logically or rationally in order to protect the person you love is nobler than sitting around waiting for the ax to fall. And not only did Damon do his utmost best, even putting himself in the line of fire, to rectify what he had done and continue to protect Elena, but he saved Caroline, Tyler, and even Matt. I mean, dude took a wolf bite. If that isn't Damon being "the better man" than I don't know what is.

Gotta say, Katherine almost turning herself into vamp toast was fantabulous. I love that even though her main goal is to save her own skin, she has moments where she does try to help and is apologetic for what she has had to do, such as telling Damon about calling Jenna out of the boarding house. As much as I love her, when Damon told her that she would possibly have to compete with Elena for eternity for Stefan's love, I was dying. So funny!

Some randomness:

Stefan in my opinion is a chump. What guy lets the woman he loves be taken by a bad guy without a fight. Piss poor example of a boyfriend. Let me guess, that was Julie Plec's version of what it truly means to love someone (rolls eyes).

I swear Stefan needs to have a giant "D" signal so instead of calling his brother on the phone to take care of business; all he has to do is shine a light to let Damon know that he was a big pussy, yet again.

Jenna is now in transition? Oh God really? Julie and Kevin couldn't come up with anything more original than turning yet another Mystic Falls resident into a vampire. The only way they could redeem themselves is if Jenna decides not to turn and chooses to die.

More Damon/Alaric bonding! SQUEE! Oh how I love my boys :)

I have to admit that Matt is not a fave of mine, but I like how he made the decision to go against Liz and spill his guts to Caroline. You're okay in my book, for now ;)

I've been thinking about this werewolf bite and what it means for Damon. After I rewatched, I noticed that when Tyler bit Damon he hadn't totally transformed. Maybe its just wishful thinking, but I think that this may be the loop hole that keeps Damon alive. I still think there may be repercussions, perhaps delusions or confusion, but this would explain Damon surviving if there is indeed no cure.

Joseph Morgan is super creepy and I LOVE him!

Umm Elijah, dude, where the hell were you at nightfall? I'm pretty sure you didn't throw up your deuces and dip out and are waiting to strike, but show yourself soon man and when you do, you better bring it!

One last thing, for someone who was supposed to be pissed off about the possibility of being a vampire by night's end, Elena took the whole blood force feeding rather well and really didn't spout off like I thought she would. I think that and the fact that Stefan telling her that Damon loved her didn’t make her uncomfortable or uneasy says a lot for the direction that their relationship is headed.

Arabian: Damon06arabian on April 30th, 2011 03:40 pm (UTC)
God, I am too wordy!!!!
In the words of Charlie Sheen...WINNING describes your entire post!

I'll ignore the original source (lol) and just say thank you. :)

I don't know about anyone else, but if I was about to die at the hands of a crazy werepire or become a member of the Undead Club, I certainly wouldn't be climbing a waterfall so I could star in my own version of The Sound of Music. Like you said, the only good thing to come of the epic hike was that Elena made it clear that she never intended to turn for Stefan, which will hopefully, as you also said, demonstrate a crystal clear contrast to what things will be like when she and Damon are finally brought together and she decides that FOREVER is what she truly wants with Damon.

I really think that if I wasn't just so overall annoyed and over Stefan/Elena, I wouldn't have been so annoyed with the scenes. And, yeah, I really hope it's for the eventual contrast for when she does make that choice for Damon. Uh huh.

I had a feeling that Damon would feed Elena his blood (wish it hadn't been forced but hey, what are you gonna do right?), because really, what else could Damon do that he hasn't done and been forgiven for.

I (stupidly, at this point) bought into the someone will die and thought that Damon would be responsible for that, so the blood-force never entered my mind. Go you.

I'm glad that he took the initiative, granted he did it impulsively, but he was absolutely right, Stefan never would have had the balls to do it. In my opinion, acting impulsively and not thinking logically or rationally in order to protect the person you love is nobler than sitting around waiting for the ax to fall.

I agree. But also am thrilled that Damon so quickly got that just because he was right (and he didn't back down from that), didn't give him the right to force it on her. That's some good progress on his part.

And not only did Damon do his utmost best, even putting himself in the line of fire, to rectify what he had done and continue to protect Elena, but he saved Caroline, Tyler, and even Matt. I mean, dude took a wolf bite. If that isn't Damon being "the better man" than I don't know what is.

And the best part is that other members of the Scooby Gang witnessed it, so maybe -- just maybe! -- it will get back to Elena this time.

Stefan in my opinion is a chump. What guy lets the woman he loves be taken by a bad guy without a fight. Piss poor example of a boyfriend. Let me guess, that was Julie Plec's version of what it truly means to love someone (rolls eyes).

I'm just choosing to believe that Julie was doing lip service for the S/E fans because this episode did NOT present their relationship in a good light at all looking below the surface. And, I don't think he'd ever admit it to himself, but he let her go without that big of a fight because he wanted her to go, he wanted her to die and become a vampire. He wouldn't get blamed and he got his vampire girlfriend, so it's an all-around win for him. And I like that, I like that Stefan isn't perfect.

I swear Stefan needs to have a giant "D" signal so instead of calling his brother on the phone to take care of business; all he has to do is shine a light to let Damon know that he was a big pussy, yet again.

Okay, yeah, I laughed.

(Edited because "service" and "surface" are so not the same thing.)

Edited at 2011-04-30 03:42 pm (UTC)
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Beck: Vampire Diaries - Damon & Elenabeck_liz on April 29th, 2011 10:19 am (UTC)
And, yes, again, damnit, showing his good side! He didn't kill Matt, he saved Caroline twice, he chose to help Tyler and he was doing all he could to reverse his earlier action.

Loved that. Yes, he made a mistake, but he proved throughout the episode how hard he's trying. \o/
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on April 30th, 2011 02:03 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I've read a few reviews and I am a little disappointed that this very important point is getting ignored. (The LA Times review I read really hurt my head because while it talked about what Damon did was unforgivable, and then about how great and awesome and understanding Stefan was and I was ARRRGHHHH!!!)
eolivet on April 29th, 2011 12:43 pm (UTC)
Damn, TVD is just knocking it out of the park -- basically for the last month. :D

I was less annoyed at the Stefan/Elena scenes than I thought I would be...I think because I saw so very little "boyfriend" and a lot more "kindly vampire mentor." It reminded me more of his scenes with Caroline when she had first been turned, vs. any kind of past "schmoopiness" with Elena. I think his lack of emotion is extremely telling. The fact that Elena was basically saying "This is awful, because after I'd gotten past these issues, I was totally planning on breaking up with you and moving on." And Stefan being all, "Yes, that would be the right thing to do."

I guess to me, this whole "Elena in danger" scenario has been really interesting, because I don't see any real difference between how Stefan is acting towards her vs. towards any other human who is in danger. Whereas with Damon, there is a marked difference. I have to believe that's intentional (and that Elena sees that).

Speaking of, would they really kill off Alaric when they just built an apartment set for him a few episodes ago?

Alaric just went waaaay down in my death pool, especially now that he'll have another vampire girlfriend (the show loves its parallels! ;) So did vampire!Jenna, actually. Tyler, unfortunately, went up tremendously.

Mainly I have to take my hat off to the show for doing the impossible: making Matt interesting! :p They truly have supernatural powers here. ;)

Sooooo good!!! Is it next Thursday yet?! :D
Arabian: TVD-Cast03arabian on April 30th, 2011 03:54 pm (UTC)
Damn, TVD is just knocking it out of the park -- basically for the last month. :D

Yup, that's how the last group of episodes of this show per season rolls. Yeah, baby!

I was less annoyed at the Stefan/Elena scenes than I thought I would be...I think because I saw so very little "boyfriend" and a lot more "kindly vampire mentor." It reminded me more of his scenes with Caroline when she had first been turned, vs. any kind of past "schmoopiness" with Elena.

Except that he's all sparkly and adorable with Caroline and Paul and Candice have way better chemistry than Paul and Nina, LOL!

I think his lack of emotion is extremely telling. The fact that Elena was basically saying "This is awful, because after I'd gotten past these issues, I was totally planning on breaking up with you and moving on." And Stefan being all, "Yes, that would be the right thing to do."

I didn't read it that way. I read it as Stefan was able to discuss it now because it wasn't going to happen. He was "emotionless" because the emotion he wanted to express was 'yeah, baby! I got my vampire girlfriend and it's Damon's fault so she'll hate him forever. No competition! Woohoo!! Win-win for me!" Realizing that Stefan totally knew that Elena wasn't planning on turning for him makes much more sense of his actions and being so determined to hold on to the status quo of their relationship. He was living on borrowed time, and he knew it.

I guess to me, this whole "Elena in danger" scenario has been really interesting, because I don't see any real difference between how Stefan is acting towards her vs. towards any other human who is in danger. Whereas with Damon, there is a marked difference. I have to believe that's intentional (and that Elena sees that).

I don't know; I think that Stefan just is very much an internalize it kinda guy and that is what happening. He seemed much calmer about it this episode, yes, almost like he'd given up in the beginning, and once she had Damon's blood, well, he knew he'd have his vampire girlfriend. Yay!

Alaric just went waaaay down in my death pool, especially now that he'll have another vampire girlfriend (the show loves its parallels! ;) So did vampire!Jenna, actually. Tyler, unfortunately, went up tremendously.

Considering that Tyler is my second-least favorite character (after Matt) -- which isn't saying much as I do like both character lots -- I could live with that.

Mainly I have to take my hat off to the show for doing the impossible: making Matt interesting! :p They truly have supernatural powers here. ;)

Yay! Some positive from you about Matt. And am I crazy to hope that tonight was the beginning of a hero-man-crush on Damon from Matt's point of view?

Edited at 2011-04-30 03:57 pm (UTC)
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Forbes Toughbutterfly on April 30th, 2011 08:36 pm (UTC)
I was kinda stuck in a state of "what?" when it came to everything S/E in this entire episode, but thought that everything else was excellent.

Yup, he made a phone call to Damon expecting him to save the day. Oh, Stefan. You know, I really hope that I'm right and that we are supposed to see the selfish, non-perfect Stefan in this episodes because I do love him with all of his flaws and insecurities. Please make them real and not just my hopes because it makes him so much more interesting, with so much more room to grow.

I really hope so, too! It's so weird to me when I see people calling Stefan 'the perfect boyfriend'. And I really hope that the show doesn't believe that.

I love Damon saving Caroline and then Tyler on Caroline's say-so, and then protecting Caroline from Tyler while not hurting Tyler (and getting himself hurt in the process) or Matt. Yes, he's reckless and impulsive when he's afraid that his loved ones are in danger of death, and I hope he apologizes to Elena for forcing the blood on her, but I was so emotionally with him the whole episode, and he was a big damn hero for Caroline.
Arabian: Caroline04arabian on April 30th, 2011 08:57 pm (UTC)
God, yes, so much to ALL OF THIS. Especially:

I was so emotionally with him the whole episode, and he was a big damn hero for Caroline.

And I think that the Damon-haters don't get that. That's what Ian brings to this character. We feel so much with him that we can't help but be on his side, defend him, just *get* where he's coming from.

distant_autumn: Damon - shadowed by imaginary_livesdistant_autumn on May 1st, 2011 12:24 am (UTC)
While Damon was trying to convince Klaus to postpone the ritual, working with Alaric (and Katherine, to a degree) in redressing his whole make-Elena-a-vampire move, saving Caroline and Tyler, getting attacked by a witch, killing a witch, having a gun pointed at him by Boy Wonder, Jenna was getting captured, killed and about ready to transition into a vampire ... Stefan and Elena were looking at waterfalls.

Oh my god, I KNOW! What even WAS that? I know I was meant to find it sweet and romantic and gosh, he's giving her one last day and they are talking and isn't it sweet but... no? Not really, given the circumstances. Serious shit is going down, their loved ones are giving their all to rescue others or to try and stop the sacrifice, and meanwhile, Stefan and Elena are off obliviously lalalal-ing and looking at waterfalls and PSAing about why Twilight is bad and wrong. Nothing about disappearing off like that made sense to me or felt like a relatable decision.

Oh, yeah, about Jenna. So. She's a vampire too now? You know, on one hand, it is kinda cool, but I'm actually thinking that she might for reals die now because that would be surprising.

Yeah, I think she's dying for good, though I wish she wasn't. They just did such a big turning story with Caroline, that I can't see them going back there again so very quickly. And I think they want a big death, and she'd count as one (in the sense that she's a regular) without them risking losing any viewers over it.

I agree with you about Damon. Was it over the line? Absolutely, no question. But did I get exactly where he was coming from, both then and for the entire episode? Oh hell yes. So very much.

In that moment after he staked him, it really seemed as if Elena (nor anyone else) was even in the room. It was all about Damon reeling over what he had just done to his brother.

That was such a good moment, wasn't it? I thought Ian did a great job throughout the episode. Speaking of their fight though, I can't believe that thus far, the big pay off to Stefan going back on blood is him briefly besting Damon in a fight. Oh, show. I love you, but after his bloodaholic arc last season, I was sort of expecting way more of a pay off from him drinking again.

I agree so, so much on Stefan. And I like him, I really do, but good lord, what is he DOING right now? Like you, I hope they are not really intending to show his inaction as a purely good thing, because I can't wrap my head around it at all. Like, Stefan? You are not showing healthy respect for normal day to day choices here, you are okaying her signing up to be a human sacrifice. That is not a reasonable life choice, okay? Especially when what she's agreeing to necessitates other people dying too.

All of which aside, what he's doing doesn't even feel like genuinely being respectful of Elena's choices anyway; it feels like he can't stand to upset her (which is patronizing) or risk losing her (which is selfish). Which I would be fine with if I thought it was in any way intentional, but I'm not sure that it is.

I did love that phone call. It seemed such a relatable little brother moment, wanting his big brother to make everything okay again, despite all of the issues between them.

He also saved Caroline -- twice! First by getting her from the tomb, then when Tyler went after her. He chose to save Tyler, didn't kill Matt despite knowing the risk of him clearly knowing what was going on.

I know, right? I actually loved all the scenes between those four, but yes, Damon especially was awesome. From holding back with Matt (and crankily defending having had to knock him out, hee!) to rescuing Caroline and Tyler, to putting himself between Tyler and the others whilst not hurting Tyler himself... Helpless flaily love right here.

Also impressive? The lengths that Katherine will go to to survive.

Ha, seriously. Born survivor or what?

She pushes for this emotional intimacy with Damon because she loves the fact (which she so is not even aware of really) that she has this power over Damon. And then it backfires on her and she gets mad at him.

Yeah, it's an interesting aspect of Elena really. Hmm.


Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 12:33 pm (UTC)
This is another episode with bizarre time incongruities. I mean come on it was not mid day but still at least one to two hours away from dark and when they get out the moon's already pretty high in the sky. Were they walking slower than humanly possible or what, sheesh.

Stefan never does anything ever he's completely useless, until the series finale where for the first time in his life he not only does something but also for the first time, he does the right thing.

Actually forcing his blood on Elena is one of the few times I don't agree with Damon but yeah.

I've always used the season 3 finale as the first part of my argument over the undeniable fact that Stefan never loved Elena, but I suppose this episode works as well. The second part is the entirety of season 4.
Arabian: Elena10arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:51 pm (UTC)
This is another episode with bizarre time incongruities. I mean come on it was not mid day but still at least one to two hours away from dark and when they get out the moon's already pretty high in the sky. Were they walking slower than humanly possible or what, sheesh.

This didn't bother me at all. They were hiking up a mountain (and down). That will take hours. That made perfect sense.

You know I disagree with you about Stefan, so we'll just leave that be.

I do believe that Stefan loved Elena, it was just not unconditional love. Not everyone loves wholly and completely. Not everyone can love like Damon and Elena. I believe that Caroline and Matt, and Caroline and Tyler, and Matt and Elena all loved each other... they just were not unconditional, true loves that could stand the test of time. They were temporary loves. It was the same thing for Stefan and Elena. It doesn't take away from the fact that Stefan and Elena DID love each other.
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 12:35 pm (UTC)
Joseph Morgan is an acting god and I so want him and Ian Somerhalder to do a buddy cop movie together, it would be glorious.
Arabian: Stefan & Klaus01arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:53 pm (UTC)
I like Joseph Morgan; I do not agree with your assessment of his talent. I think he tends to scenery chew at times. He can be magnificent, but he goes too broad now and then, and he lacks nuance on occasion. He can be brilliant though. We just disagree on him.

Edited at 2017-05-14 04:53 pm (UTC)