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25 February 2011 @ 12:15 am
2.16 - 'The House Guest' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Whee! New Vampire Diaries episode.

Boo! Last new Vampire Diaries episode until April.

First I must address the most important aspect of this episode. Ian Somerhalder is hot, like uber-OHMYGOD!jaw-dropping hot, and he is clearly back in the full bloom of health and boy, does it show. *sigh* So beautiful.

Ahem, moving on to other weightier matters. Well, this episode reconfirms my belief that "The Descent" was supposed to be the last episode before the hiatus as opposed to "In the Light of the Moon," because if we go back one week, this episode would have aired on the 18th of February, ie, Valentines Day week, and this was a VERY heavy romance episode (the beginning bit with Stefan and Elena, the ultra-romantic Matt and Caroline stuff, the cute Jeremy and Bonnie, and finally, the downside of romance, the continued dissolution of Jenna and Alaric. So in that spirit, I'll break this down to couples. :)

Stefan/Elena, and Stefan/Katherine

See, continued no-fallout-land from Stefan's latest revelations. :rolls eyes: Their opening scene was cute, but in retrospect there was a not so-cute aspect to it. Not only was Stefan not able to tell Elena and Katherine apart, based on his comment to Elena (but who he thought was Katherine), he believed that he was unable to tell them apart when he was making out with Elena. That paired with Katherine's confession that she (once again) chose Stefan over Damon makes me believe that the whole unresolved Stefan and Katherine situation has yet to fully play out. And I can't wait until it does! :D I really do appreciate that the show has kept Katherine's love for Stefan (well, at least as much as she's capable of loving), and that they didn't have her switch her affections over to Damon now that he's more of a challenge to her. Yes, yes, she tried to seduce him, but sex and love are clearly not connected in Katherine's mind, LOL!

Damon/Elena

Pretty much zilch, but unlike Stefan, Damon knew Katherine was Katherine, even if he was a bit wary when she tried to play the Elena card with him, he still kept his hold on her. And in their one solo scene together, once again, Damon and Elena were completely in synch in their thought process. So, yay? Hey, it's something! A shipper's gotta take what they can get, thank you very much. :nods:

Also, Elena DID include Damon in her frustrated venting about wanting Katherine out of the house and away from Stefan *and* Damon. Aww, Elena and her two vampire boyfriends. :)

Matt/Caroline

You all know that I ship Stefan and Caroline so hard like whoah!, but damn, this show, what it does to my shipper tendencies is unprecedented. Other than my beloved Damon and Elena, I am such a multi-shipper whore. Case in point: My lordy, did I think the Matt/Caroline kiss was uber-adorably-wonderfully romantic? Yes, I did, indeed! I literally grinned and clapped with glee. It was so over the top romantic and passionate and just so very lovely. I still think that Candice Accola's best chemistry is with Paul Wesley, but she had some fine chemistry with Michael Trevino, and when written so, her chemistry with Zach Roerig shines nicely as well.

What I wonder, though, is what happened with Caroline's resolve in staying away from Matt? She broke up with him (or caused him to break up with her) because of Stefan telling her that it's the best thing to do when a vampire is with a human, but that, selfishly, he couldn't end things with Elena. I get that it's been building since Matt has confronted her with his feelings, but we haven't seen why Caroline would have changed her mind. I'm going to fanwank that seeing Stefan and Elena seemingly relationship-problem free (since *every* issue with them is glossed over and swept under the rug in an instant), and being more in control of her vampiric ways, she's decided that she can, well, control her vampiric ways to be with him. Besides, they're still only seventeen, so it's a while before the whole aging thing would be an issue.

Back to what happened in the episode, I loved that not only was Vicki brought up, but that Matt thought Caroline was the one who hurt her. I never even thought he'd go there (although I expected the Vicki mention), but it was so logical that, of course, he would think Caroline is responsible for the "vampire" that Vicki spoke of because as far as he knows Caroline is the only one and he has no clue that it only happened recently. Nice use of the show's history there. I loved it. Now what will happen with them when the show comes back?!?!?

Stefan/Caroline

Okay, I'm seriously pushing here, but with no Stefan/Caroline interaction at all, I'll grasp at any straw. Her "breathe" thing when she saw Matt dying was what Stefan taught her to do. Awww. Yeah, that's all I've got, LOL!

Jenna/Alaric

I really appreciated the Alaric and Elena conversation about Jenna and her not knowing anything. I know it's what we've all discussed and figured was the case, but it was nice having the show take a breather to give us that scene. It's another sign of the awesome of this show of how well they manage to imbue the characters with strong characterization and motivation amidst the insanely-fast moving plots. As for their porch scene, how could Jenna hear Alaric's sweet confession of love and be so cold in response? Wah! I don't ship them AT ALL, but I felt so for my poor, over-guyliner-ed bb in that moment. Yes, yes, he's been keeping stuff from her and she knows, but, but, but he was so sincere and adorable. Oh, Alaric. Go and find Damon, he'll comfort you. ;)

Jeremy/Bonnie

Okay, so I've figured out how I feel about them. As long as they're not "passionately" kissing, Jeremy and Bonnie remain uberly-adorable. I didn't even mind the peck in the school hallway, I grinned and gave a little squee. They were as cute as two shiny buttons that feature kittens frolicking on them. Just keep the passion stuff to those who can sell the hell out of it. Which brings us to ...

Damon/Katherine

Even with just the not-even-completed kiss, they were still all kinds of blazing hot. Dayum! Seriously, Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev (no matter who the heck she's playing) have INCREDIBLE chemistry. So, so, so damn hot. And more than hot, that scene had so many layers. There was the obvious heat (SO! HOT!), but also the humor of Damon shoving her away by pushing her face away (hah!) and Katherine pouting in response. In addition, we had Katherine finally getting it that she's lost him. She really has. Not only did he reject her, he played her! He let her lounge on his bed, got what information he wanted from her (how the townsfolk found out that Emily was a witch), climb all over him, let loose with the sexy voice, bedroom eyes, gentle, romantic hands framing her face, and then almost gave into her kiss, lips barely touching before shoving her to the side with complete disinterest. He played her, led her on and then calmly went back to his reading.

What was especially awesome is how so much of their scenes were a counterpoint to their interactions in "The Return," and how they showed just how over Katherine he is. In that episode, she confessed that it was Stefan, it was always Stefan and it devastated him. Here, her admission that (a) she knew he'd die, and (b) chose him as the one to wield the dagger because she wanted Stefan to live, even if it meant that Damon would die (understandably) hurt Damon, but he wasn't ripped to shreds emotionally. After all, one can still be hurt by a rejection, even if you're no longer in love with that person. That was clearly the case here. Also, in that episode, like this one, he threw her down, but this time, he kept it from turning into something sexual. And she tried to seduce him again, and as mentioned above, he easily resisted her. Damon is done, and I think what happened is that Katherine got that clue. And viewers were supposed to get that as well. The lyrics that were clearly heard after Damon rejected her were pretty durn obvious:

You can't play on broken strings/You can't feel anything/That your heart don't want to feel
Those lyrics, plus Katherine's pout when he threw her over, while hilarious, were telling. Katherine gets what she wants (as she told him earlier). She may not love him, but she wants him, especially this new (to her) Damon. And the look she threw his way before she left showed a Katherine who is NOT happy about being rejected. Damon has officially become a challenge.

And that led me to a new theory. What if we wind up with Katherine and Elena fighting for Damon's soul? I'm not saying that Elena will attempt to seduce Damon, but I could see the fear that Damon will fall under Katherine's spell again and go back to how he was for the last 145 years being impetus enough to make Elena confront her feelings for Damon and knowingly use them to get him to stay on the side of the good. She wouldn't just be doing it to help "save" Damon, but to keep Stefan from losing his brother, and the countless innocents who could be hurt by a humanity-free Damon again. I dunno, but I could see it happening, heck, I can even see Stefan pushing Elena to confront that something between her and Damon if it will help save his brother. After all, he told Damon that he was cool with his kissing Elena because it meant that he was getting his brother back, that part of him that could feel. I just know that I can totally see Katherine deciding that she's going to win Damon back just to prove that she can, and Elena being the only thing that could stop her if Damon starts to fall victim once again to Katherine's wiles.

Backing up a bit, I also loved their earlier scene when Damon slapped her hand away, she smacked at him, he smacked back at her. I laughed so hard and rewound it about five times. Seriously, no matter what roles they are playing, what eras, Ian and Nina are so darn good onscreen together. They just have a wonderful rhythm and zing alongside that chemistry. They are not just incredibly hot, they can also be utterly hilarious (see: arm-smacking), and just so darn cute! I mean, look at them, faces next to one another, those expressions!

     

These two! Damn, they are so beautiful together.

Phew! Okay, moving onto the non-couple moments ...

- Another aces-Ian Somerhalder-delivery moment. I mean, he was ON the entire episode even though Damon wasn't even remotely taking the lead role, every moment with him was pretty much perfection, but that fantastic moment of delivery that was my favorite was so very easily the "lie" he half-whispered to Katherine during this exchange:

Damon: You know this whole friendly, cooperative thing?
Katherine: Mmhmm?
Damon: I don't buy it.
Katherine: I have no reason to lie to you, Damon.
Damon: Lie.
AWESOME!

- It was nice hearing Elena flat-out acknowledge that keeping those they love in the dark is hurting them, and not offering protection. Alas, she didn't take it to its logical conclusion. TELL JENNA! Oh, Elena. *sigh* I did appreciate that Alaric is leaving the decision up to Elena, though. The importance of family is never forgotten on this show, and I love that.

- Erm, but, yeah, make-up people, you need to keep the guyliner away from Matt Davis. It's ridiculous, yo!

- I liked that despite all that happened in this episode, it was still, in many ways a breather episode. Some key characters got a chance to just talk, and, you know, breathe. And the girl's night was a part of that. Seeing the trio just sitting around talking about ordering pizza and Caroline's addiction to The Notebook was just lovely.

- Damon flaming the unseen Luka was awesome. Oh, this show!

- Candice Accola singing was a nice little treat. She sounded fabulous, and I love that song. And I want a clear, studio-recorded version of it now. She certainly sounded better than Susannah Hoffs ever did singing it.

- I loved how giddy and happy both Bonnie and Elena were for Caroline (and Matt). So adorable; I love how this show not only doesn't forget the importance of family amidst all of the couples and triangles, but also the importance of friendship.

- Whee! I loved Damon's spoken "nope" as he nodded yes to Stefan, and Stefan's "that's too bad" as he read the information. Hee! The Salvatore Brothers working together!

- I do love how the mythology is now being enriched with all of the witches massacre burial ground stuff. This show does such a fabulous job in adding little bits and pieces to the puzzle. And, aha!, there is another way to kill Klaus even without the dagger.

- Oh, Jenna, you and your unintentionally hilarious comments. "I'm a parent so I can handle anything." Number one, as a parent? You suck royally, my dear. Also, being a parent and finding out all of the supernatural goobley-gook? No comparison, sweetie. Yeah, I can see why Sara Canning is trying to market "Team Oblivious Human" tee-shirts, LOL!

- So, wow, Jonas showed us just how powerful a witch can be. I hope you were taking notes, Bonnie. (I'm sure she knows about the astral projection stuff after the fact.)

- Hmm, so Stefan killed Jonas, but we know that he wasn't hurting Bonnie at the end there, but giving her her powers back. Hmmm. I wonder if Bonnie will tell Stefan that specifically, or if he'll make that connection on his own. Or like every "bad" thing that Stefan does be completely glossed over. I mean, he could have pulled Jonas away, but he went straight for the kill. I'm not judging him (I mean, come on, I'm a Damon-stan!, that'd be mighty hypocritical of me), I just wonder if that aspect of the kill will come up.

- Nina Dobrev looked AMAZING in that final scene as Katherine. GLORIOUS hair, sexy outfit, all slinky and sensual. Damn, Damon's a strong, strong man to resist that!

- So I thought it would be Katherine at the door because this seemed like an episode where the secrets were coming out. Elena finds out about Jeremy and Bonnie (and how adorable was her reaction?), Matt finds out about the reality of vampires, Damon (and viewers) find out about what John had cooking with Katherine, so I figured that the final scene would be Katherine showing up (as Elena is standing behind Jenna) at the door and Jenna would get her eye-opener. It still can happen with Isobel, obviously, but my mind never went there that it could be Isobel.

- Speaking of, wow, Mia Kirshner is looking rather harsh there. Could it be the make-up people trying to uglify the beautiful people of the world again, or is there some story-dictated reason for the look? I sincerely hope it's the latter, because they clearly were on target with Damon tonight. My God, did Ian Somehalder look especially gorgeous or what? Got a haircut, no annoying OTT guyliner, just absolutely beautiful. (Yes, yes, I already mentioned this, but dayum, he looked fine! Especially that last scene, those close-ups. Phew! Be still my heart (and loins!), I totally get why Katherine couldn't resist him!)

- ETA! OMG! I forgot this! Best use of compulsion yet. "You will make my rock-star dreams come true." BWAH!

- My only disappointments with regards to this episode were actually not related to the show itself (because Caroline Dries -- the writer -- rocks so very much), but I'll list them anyway.

1) Again, no Damon/Elena before the hiatus, wah! However, it's not nearly as bad as "By the Light of the Moon" because...

a) This episode was pretty durn awesome, while "By the Light of the Moon" was not much beyond okay.
b) There was no expectation of Damon/Elena goodness (unlike how "The Sacrifice" promised).
c) The Stefan/Elena stuff was at the beginning of the episode, not the end. Seems like a small thing, but having those two being all "sexy"-cute and then have 30+ minutes of awesome, as opposed to 30+ minutes of mostly meh! followed by Stefan/Elena "sexy"-cute times makes a huge difference.
d) There was no Damon/other chick to bring it home that Damon was not having sexy times with Elena. :pouts:
e) Okay, there was a Damon/other chick, but it was a character played by Nina Dobrev, and shipping Damon and Katherine or not, as stated above, Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev have blazing hot chemistry no matter what and that's always fun to watch. :D

2) The OTT guyliner on Ernesto. That is not Dries' fault at all, but rather the make-up department. Bad, make-up department, baaaaad.

3) The spoiler of "Two deaths! Ooh! Shocking!" in tonight's episode built up expectation that they would actually be shocking. Having Luka die was one thing (and YAY!! I did literally cheer, for reals, yo!), but the second death -- because we were spoiled that there would be two -- didn't have any oomph being just another guest-starring role. Had I not know there were two deaths, both would have been surprising. Still, I have to give The Vampire Diaries it's due, no other show would have me truly believing in the very real possibility that Matt or Katherine or Bonnie would actually die. That it wasn't a foregone conclusion that it wouldn't be a major player continues to show the awesome of my show. Yeah, baby.

So, not the bestest episode ever, but after "Daddy Issues," this was my favorite episode since the return from hiatus, and I'd put it in the top five of this season (at number five, but still ...). Squee! I love my show so!

*Sigh* No new show until April 7th. WAH!
 
 
 
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Nina/Ianbutterfly on February 25th, 2011 05:31 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was a really good episode. I loved how Damon turned Katherine's tricks against her and played her. That was fantastic. I don't think she has a hope in hell of turning his affections back to her again, but I'd kinda love to see her try (and Elena would totally get worried about it, which I would also like to see). This Damon who isn't emotionally dependent on her is a Damon that's pretty much her equal in most ways.

About the Stefan/Elena 'sexy cute' moment... Stefan seemed so oddly hopped up to me at the start of the episode. It really reminded me of the human blood arc. I don't know, maybe that's just something that Paul is going to integrate into Stefan's character now that he's drinking HB again.

Tiny side note: So, Dawson's Creek - Joey and Pacey had two scenes together in the entirety of S2. That was it for the whole season. So, you know. It could be a lot worse when it comes to Damon/Elena stuff.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)02arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it was a really good episode.

It was. Caroline Dries is up there with Kevin and Julie as my favorite writers for the show.

I loved how Damon turned Katherine's tricks against her and played her. That was fantastic.

So much love for that. So awesome. When he played her in that final scene? Man, oh, man, I was dying. It went from hot to hilarious in two seconds flat.

I don't think she has a hope in hell of turning his affections back to her again, but I'd kinda love to see her try (and Elena would totally get worried about it, which I would also like to see).

I would love to see Stefan misinterpret something between Damon and Katherine, think that Damon has fallen back under her spell and basically go to Elena and tell her that she needs to deal with her feelings for Damon ... because it will break Katherine's hold on him. That way, we'd get Elena actually dealing with them, but not at the cost of Damon having fallen back witH Katherine.

This Damon who isn't emotionally dependent on her is a Damon that's pretty much her equal in most ways.

Well, she's still stronger, but yeah, since she created him, they are fairly equal in all other ways.

About the Stefan/Elena 'sexy cute' moment... Stefan seemed so oddly hopped up to me at the start of the episode. It really reminded me of the human blood arc. I don't know, maybe that's just something that Paul is going to integrate into Stefan's character now that he's drinking HB again.

I hope you're right because while it makes sense that a couple at the stage they are in would engage in behavior like that, it's not behavior we've seen between them ... unless Stefan is hopped up on human blood. Hmm, we'll see. They're seriously like an old, married couple most of the time.

Tiny side note: So, Dawson's Creek - Joey and Pacey had two scenes together in the entirety of S2. That was it for the whole season. So, you know. It could be a lot worse when it comes to Damon/Elena stuff.

The difference is that Joey/Pacey were not planned or promoted as one half of the huge triangle that would drive the show. When s2 hit, Joey and Pacey had just had Pacey's aborted crush in one episode in season one and that was it. The same can not be said for Damon and Elena. Because I trust this show so much, I'm choosing to believe that they're going overboard with the Stefan/Elena stuff, and less Damon/Elena stuff despite knowing that Ian, Damon, and Damon/Elena are the most popular aspects of the show, because the end of this season is going to start showing (for reals) the beginning of the end for Stefan/Elena, and the beginning (even if tentative) with Damon/Elena. And I can't see Elena going back and forth between the brothers once she's started towards Damon for real. So, S/E are getting their jollies now because it won't last much longer. It really is the only thing that makes sense story, fandom and show-politics wise.
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Sar: kat with a bitepaceisthetrick on February 25th, 2011 06:17 am (UTC)
"See, continued no-fallout-land from Stefan's latest revelations." I'm dying about this. Dying inside. This is torture. Why does Stefan get away with everything? Why do the writers favor him so much? Why can he do no harm even though he slaughtered the Gilbert family? I just don't get it. These mishaps really bring down the quality of the show for me!

About the Damon/Kat bed scene, I'm super happy that he didn't settle for hate sex! I'm so proud of him! His emotional control is seriously getting a lot better. If anything at all, this episode cemented how much of a bitch she is to him and he totally got the message loud and clear!

It's true Kat didn't get what she wanted this time around. I wonder if this is going to come back and bite (pun intended?) us.

Once I again, I agree, TVD make up people are on crack. Why does Alaric wear THAT much eyeliner? WHY? Someone... please... explain.

I wondered about Stefan's kill too. There was some weird tension in that moment? I totally sensed it.

"Be still my heart (and loins!)" <3
Arabian: Katherine02arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:20 pm (UTC)
"See, continued no-fallout-land from Stefan's latest revelations."

I'm dying about this. Dying inside. This is torture. Why does Stefan get away with everything? Why do the writers favor him so much? Why can he do no harm even though he slaughtered the Gilbert family? I just don't get it. These mishaps really bring down the quality of the show for me!


I'm still holding out hope that it's something that is going to explode and lead to their end. Stefan will keep just one more thing from Elena, and it will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Right now, it's annoying, but I get it. When you're in the honeymoon phase (which they still clearly are, even if they act like an old, married couple), you tend to gloss over and forgive everything. I mean, Stefan ignores and glosses over her inappropriate behavior (words, actions, subtextual interaction) with Damon. It's not horribly inappropriate, but there are lines that she's definitely crossed in how she is with Damon.

About the Damon/Kat bed scene, I'm super happy that he didn't settle for hate sex! I'm so proud of him! His emotional control is seriously getting a lot better. If anything at all, this episode cemented how much of a bitch she is to him and he totally got the message loud and clear!

Yup. And Katherine got the message back that he's done with her. Yuppers!

It's true Kat didn't get what she wanted this time around. I wonder if this is going to come back and bite (pun intended?) us.

I'm wondering if she'll go after Andie in the next episode (we know that she's in it because the actress mentioned going back to Atlanta to film for episode 17), since she can't go after Elena. I mean, I know we have the upcoming scene where Elena confronts Damon about Andie, but I wonder if they'll be something with Katherine and Andie too? Hmmm.

Once I again, I agree, TVD make up people are on crack. Why does Alaric wear THAT much eyeliner? WHY? Someone... please... explain.

It just is ridiculous.

I wondered about Stefan's kill too. There was some weird tension in that moment? I totally sensed it.

Yup. It was ... odd.

"Be still my heart (and loins!)" <3

Come on! LOOK AT THE MAN! SO GORGEOUS!
sweetiegrrl2346sweetiegrrl2346 on February 25th, 2011 06:19 am (UTC)
I really liked most of the plot and action of this episode, but I'm gonna have to watch it again tomorrow to actually understand what went on because I spent the entire episode thinking that Elena was pretending to be Katherine and Kat was Elena. For some reason, they were doing mind-f*ckery things like not showing the necklaces and not having Katherine(Elena) ever drink from the blood bag on-screen, and at the Grill I could've sworn Elena(Kat) had compelled Matt to go over to Caroline. Then again, there was a part halfway through the ep after Kat(Elena) vamp sped somewhere that I actually contemplated Elena vamped herself off-screen.

I'd like to mention that I haven't slept in over 30 hours, hence the rewatch tomorrow LOL. My version of the episode was entertaining to watch anyways, at least in my semi-delirious state. It really is fun pretending that the DK scenes are actually DE, especially that little arm slapping one you mentioned. ^_^
Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:22 pm (UTC)
I really liked most of the plot and action of this episode, but I'm gonna have to watch it again tomorrow to actually understand what went on because I spent the entire episode thinking that Elena was pretending to be Katherine and Kat was Elena.

Yeah, I think your lack of sleep affected you. Other than the first scene, all of the Elena/Katherine stuff was easily identifiable, except for the Jonas-trick, but once it was revealed, it was obvious.

It really is fun pretending that the DK scenes are actually DE, especially that little arm slapping one you mentioned. ^_^

Yeah, I can NOT wait until we get to the point where we actually get Damon/Elena stuff like that. *sigh*

Hope you're sleeping now. :)
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Myramidnightblack07 on February 25th, 2011 06:44 am (UTC)
I really liked this episode too!! definately one of the better ones this season =)

Not only was Stefan not able to tell Elena and Katherine apart, based on his comment to Elena (but who he thought was Katherine), he believed that he was unable to tell them apart when he was making out with Elena. That paired with Katherine's confession that she (once again) chose Stefan over Damon makes me believe that the whole unresolved Stefan and Katherine situation has yet to fully play out. And I can't wait until it does!

I think you may be right (and I really hope you are lol). Tbh though, after "By the Light of the Moon," I've been fairly pessimistic with regards to where the show is willing to go with the unresolved issues between Stefan/Katherine. I feel as if they may think that her having any kind of effect/inducing any sort of weakness on Stefan's part may be a compromise to his character and/or a betrayal to Elena =/ (I kinda got that vibe from some of the interviews I read following 2x11).

IMHO though, if they don't go there to some subtle capacity, they won't be doing justice the complexity of the relationship these brothers had with Katherine and her effect on their lives--particularly in light of the reveal that he did indeed love her in "Memory Lane." I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want either one of them "going back to her" or anything along those drastic lines, but I really liked the subtely of Damon's interactions with her this episode where it was clear that he is OVER her, but at the same time there was that smidgen of hurt when he realized that she would have him killed for Stefan's sake and her own bidding & I think that that is what her recent interactions with Stefan have been lacking, that kind of complex subtely.

But, ITA, the fact that the show has held on to the fact that Katherine loves Stefan definately indicates that they're not entirely done with those two yet and I can only hope that they do them justice =)

& you know, I didn't even pick up on the fact that Stefan thought Katherine was Elena after he just made out with her for like 5 minutes lol =| I mean Damon getting it wrong is one thing as he's never kissed Elena, but Stefan getting it wrong having kissed them both is a little odd =S

& my goodness, Ian and Nina's chemistry is just... I could write a post all on its own about how much I loved each and every Damon/Katherine interaction this episode. Just, WOW. Oh, and the hand slapping made me giggle too, they're such children hehe =P
Arabian: Katherine01arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:32 pm (UTC)
I really liked this episode too!! definately one of the better ones this season =)

Yup, and that's not saying a bad thing, because other than ItLotM (which still had some great stuff), all of the episodes have ranged from very good to OMG!Awesome. This one fell just a teeny step below OMG!Awesome.

RE: Stefan/Katherine and more to come

I think you may be right (and I really hope you are lol). Tbh though, after "By the Light of the Moon," I've been fairly pessimistic with regards to where the show is willing to go with the unresolved issues between Stefan/Katherine. I feel as if they may think that her having any kind of effect/inducing any sort of weakness on Stefan's part may be a compromise to his character and/or a betrayal to Elena =/ (I kinda got that vibe from some of the interviews I read following 2x11).

Which may be why they are holding off on it. I think once the Katherine stuff starts coming out, it's going to open a whole Pandora's box with regards to Stefan and Elena and all of those issues that have just been glossed over will hopefully come tumbling out and we'll truly see the beginning of the end.

IMHO though, if they don't go there to some subtle capacity, they won't be doing justice the complexity of the relationship these brothers had with Katherine and her effect on their lives--particularly in light of the reveal that he did indeed love her in "Memory Lane."

And I can't believe that the show won't go there because they DID set this stuff all up, going back to "Blood Brothers" -- which showed Katherine's love for Stefan.

I think that that is what her recent interactions with Stefan have been lacking, that kind of complex subtely.

For me, I don't think they've been lacking, I think that Stefan has done what Stefan does -- buried his head in the sand and completely submerged his feelings. That is the one thing that he and Elena have in common. When they don't want to deal with something, they ignore and deny (see: Stefan's feelings for Katherine, Elena's feelings for Damon). Stefan's just had decades of experience over Elena in doing so which is why he's able to pull it off much better than she can, LOL!

But, ITA, the fact that the show has held on to the fact that Katherine loves Stefan definately indicates that they're not entirely done with those two yet and I can only hope that they do them justice =)

Well, when they do such a great job with secondary couples (Matt/Caroline, Tyler/Caroline, Jeremy/Anna, Jeremy/Bonnie), I'm thinking we're in good hands. Yes, Stefan and Elena are lacking but I think that's due to their static chemistry, and the samey-ness of the characters that simply weren't really taken into account when they began the show. Oh, and the no-doubt unexpected WHOAH! chemistry of Nina Dobrev and Ian Somerhalder.

& you know, I didn't even pick up on the fact that Stefan thought Katherine was Elena after he just made out with her for like 5 minutes lol =| I mean Damon getting it wrong is one thing as he's never kissed Elena, but Stefan getting it wrong having kissed them both is a little odd =S

YUPPERS!

& my goodness, Ian and Nina's chemistry is just... I could write a post all on its own about how much I loved each and every Damon/Katherine interaction this episode. Just, WOW. Oh, and the hand slapping made me giggle too, they're such children hehe =P

Damn! They are so good. I think that's also partly why this episode worked pre-hiatus better than ItLotM. It may have not been Damon and Elena, but Ian and Nina together is, in my opinion, the best part of the show -- which is saying a lot since the whole show is amazing! So, getting so much airtime for them together (even as Damon and Katherine) gave this episode such an awesome edge over ItLotM.

Edited at 2011-02-25 03:33 pm (UTC)
crowandfogcrowandfog on February 25th, 2011 08:12 am (UTC)
I have to go to bed and LONG POST IS FRICKIN LONG, lol. So I can't really comment right now, but:

First I must address the most important aspect of this episode. Ian Somerhalder is hot, like uber-OHMYGOD!jaw-dropping hot, and he is clearly back in the full bloom of health and boy, does it show. *sigh* So beautiful.

YES. HIS HOTNESS ABSOLUTELY MUST BE MENTIONED BECAUSE IT IS SO EXTREME.

That's all. I'll be back.
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder03arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:37 pm (UTC)
I have to go to bed and LONG POST IS FRICKIN LONG, lol. So I can't really comment right now, but:

Eh, for me, this is one the shorter side of TVD posts. What are you talking about?!

First I must address the most important aspect of this episode. Ian Somerhalder is hot, like uber-OHMYGOD!jaw-dropping hot, and he is clearly back in the full bloom of health and boy, does it show. *sigh* So beautiful.

YES. HIS HOTNESS ABSOLUTELY MUST BE MENTIONED BECAUSE IT IS SO EXTREME.


Not to take away from his hotness when he was sick, because he still was, but OH MY GOD!, it's been so long since we've seen him fully at 100% and I was just blown away at the reminder of this man's AWESOME BEAUTY! GAH!!!!!

That's all. I'll be back.

When one has time to comment on only one thing, Ian Somerhalder's hotness is always the correct one thing to comment upon. :Nods:


Edited at 2011-02-25 03:37 pm (UTC)
x5valex5vale on February 25th, 2011 08:16 am (UTC)
Ian Somerhalder is hot, like uber-OHMYGOD!jaw-dropping hot, and he is clearly back in the full bloom of health and boy, does it show. *sigh* So beautiful.
SO MUCH THIS!

That paired with Katherine's confession that she (once again) chose Stefan over Damon makes me believe that the whole unresolved Stefan and Katherine situation has yet to fully play out.
I agree, it was so weird to see Stefan not able to tell Elena and Katherine apart. Damon was.

they didn't have her switch her affections over to Damon now that he's more of a challenge to her. Yes, yes, she tried to seduce him, but sex and love are clearly not connected in Katherine's mind, LOL!
Of course, I think what Katherine wants from Damon is the attention he always gave to her. I am curious to see how this will work out.

Also, Elena DID include Damon in her frustrated venting about wanting Katherine out of the house and away from Stefan *and* Damon. Aww, Elena and her two vampire boyfriends. :)

That made me very happy.


Yes, I did, indeed! I literally grinned and clapped with glee.
Me and you both.


As for their porch scene, how could Jenna hear Alaric's sweet confession of love and be so cold in response?
I felt for Rick too, but I think Jenna might have a point there. He keeps telling her that he can't be completely honest, I think her reaction is understandable.


Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev (no matter who the heck she's playing) have INCREDIBLE chemistry.
Oh they have it for sure.

In addition, we had Katherine finally getting it that she's lost him. She really has. Not only did he reject her, he played her!
I was happy to see it, especially after her admission to have chosen Stefan all over again (and so my suspect that she did know Damon would have died using the dagger was right but I am not excatly ahppy about it). I am glad Damon didn't snap but just went away and then rejected her. He was hurt, of course but she had totally lost her power on him. It's another step in the right decision. I don't want Damon to grow up and make the right decisions for Elena or because is Elena who asks, I want damon doing it for himself because he can be a better person.

with the sexy voice, bedroom eyes, gentle, romantic hands framing her face,
And I was pretty much dead there...


You can't play on broken strings/You can't feel anything/That your heart don't want to feel
Perfect choice.

I'm not saying that Elena will attempt to seduce Damon, but I could see the fear that Damon will fall under Katherine's spell again and go back to how he was for the last 145 years being impetus enough to make Elena confront her feelings for Damon and knowingly use them to get him to stay on the side of the good.
This would be amazing to watch and pretty consistent with their chracaterizations. Again I hope that Damon decides to give a chance to his human side not because of Elena but for himself. Sometimes I am just scared that having Elena around him too often can be dangerous for him. I mean he is a bottled up mix of emotions, conflicting emotions, and while Elena brings his humanity out of him, she is also the reason he feels and hurts. I just want Damon to stand up for himself I guess.

I can even see Stefan pushing Elena to confront that something between her and Damon if it will help save his brother.
I would love this even more than seeing the previous one. I am sucker for brotherly love.


Another aces-Ian Somerhalder-delivery moment. I mean, he was ON the entire episode even though Damon wasn't even remotely taking the lead role, every moment with him was pretty much perfection,
YES!


Whee! I loved Damon's spoken "nope" as he nodded yes to Stefan, and Stefan's "that's too bad" as he read the information. Hee! The Salvatore Brothers working together!
Awesome, as the girly friendship of Bonnie, Caroline and Elena.


Or like every "bad" thing that Stefan does be completely glossed over. I mean, he could have pulled Jonas away, but he went straight for the kill. I'm not judging him (I mean, come on, I'm a Damon-stan!, that'd be mighty hypocritical of me), I just wonder if that aspect of the kill will come up.
Totally agree.

Great inisght!
Arabian: Damon07arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:44 pm (UTC)
it was so weird to see Stefan not able to tell Elena and Katherine apart. Damon was.

Yup. I mean, even after Katherine pretending to be Elena, and the real Elena came out, Damon still had his hold on her, distrusting that it wasn't Katherine. And Stefan thought he'd made out with Katherine, and not Elena. Tsk, tsk.

Of course, I think what Katherine wants from Damon is the attention he always gave to her. I am curious to see how this will work out.

I agree. I hope we see Katherine continue to try and get Damon back just to prove she can because Ian and Nina are hot, and we won't get anything with Damon and Elena for awhile, LOL!

Also, Elena DID include Damon in her frustrated venting about wanting Katherine out of the house and away from Stefan *and* Damon. Aww, Elena and her two vampire boyfriends. :)

That made me very happy.


I know! SQUEE!

I felt for Rick too, but I think Jenna might have a point there. He keeps telling her that he can't be completely honest, I think her reaction is understandable.

Oh, I totally got where Jenna was coming from, but I don't care about them as a couple and Alaric is my bb, so I felt more for him ... even if he's in the wrong.

I was happy to see it, especially after her admission to have chosen Stefan all over again (and so my suspect that she did know Damon would have died using the dagger was right but I am not excatly ahppy about it).

I thought of you when she admitted that. You were totally right. Although, I don't think my reasoning was off in response. It was clearly implied that she didn't want them both dead, but when it came to a choice, well, of course, she chose Stefan. Of course.

I am glad Damon didn't snap but just went away and then rejected her. He was hurt, of course but she had totally lost her power on him. It's another step in the right decision. I don't want Damon to grow up and make the right decisions for Elena or because is Elena who asks, I want damon doing it for himself because he can be a better person.

Yup. I think the scenes with Alaric the last few episodes, and his actions/reactions with Katherine are subtly showing a Damon who is getting to a better place and not just because of Elena.

I'm not saying that Elena will attempt to seduce Damon, but I could see the fear that Damon will fall under Katherine's spell again and go back to how he was for the last 145 years being impetus enough to make Elena confront her feelings for Damon and knowingly use them to get him to stay on the side of the good.

This would be amazing to watch and pretty consistent with their chracaterizations. Again I hope that Damon decides to give a chance to his human side not because of Elena but for himself. Sometimes I am just scared that having Elena around him too often can be dangerous for him. I mean he is a bottled up mix of emotions, conflicting emotions, and while Elena brings his humanity out of him, she is also the reason he feels and hurts. I just want Damon to stand up for himself I guess.


I mentioned above that I would love to see Stefan misinterpret something between Damon and Katherine, think that Damon has fallen back under her spell and basically go to Elena and tell her that she needs to deal with her feelings for Damon ... because it will break Katherine's hold on him. That way, we'd get Elena actually dealing with them, but not at the cost of Damon having fallen back witH Katherine.

I can even see Stefan pushing Elena to confront that something between her and Damon if it will help save his brother.

I would love this even more than seeing the previous one. I am sucker for brotherly love.


And it would be an AWESOME callback to that conversation that Stefan and Damon had in the season premiere.


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lacrimadraconis: TVD Katherine Damonlacrimadraconis on February 25th, 2011 08:25 am (UTC)
BRB copy-pasting this to my journal :D
No seriously, the only thing I kinda disagree on is Alaric's eyeliner. Though it might not be appropriate for Alaric, I can't find myself not liking it on Matt Davis LOL.
And I didn't really like the Caroline singing part. Candice has an amazing voice and they worked it in quite well, but it didn't really fit in the show for me.

Other than that, what you said. Especially OMG was Ian hot or what? He shouldn't be allowed to wear another shirt. Like ever. Also Ian and Nina, guh!

ETA: I just saw you have a new header! Looks gorgeous!

Edited at 2011-02-25 08:26 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Katherine02arabian on February 25th, 2011 03:50 pm (UTC)
BRB copy-pasting this to my journal :D

LOL! Hah, it's been a while since we've been completely in sync about TVD. (We tend to differ a tad in our varying degrees of love for Tyler and Tyler/Caroline, I think?)

No seriously, the only thing I kinda disagree on is Alaric's eyeliner.

Oh, okay, ALMOST completely in sync, hee!

Though it might not be appropriate for Alaric, I can't find myself not liking it on Matt Davis LOL.

I just -- yeah, we must disagree. It distracts in the scene so obviously and that's why it bugs so.

And I didn't really like the Caroline singing part. Candice has an amazing voice and they worked it in quite well, but it didn't really fit in the show for me.

I thought it worked because of Caroline's line about "my rock-star fantasies." That gave it a teeny bit of back story that isn't out of character for Caroline. After all, the only career we've ever heard her say she wanted was to be a newscaster, on TV. She also wanted to be Miss Mystic Falls, partly because it's in the public eye, and she is (was?) the head cheerleader, so it fit with her character. And, seriously, it gave us the best use of compulsion EVER!

Especially OMG was Ian hot or what?

He's remained hot, of course, but I'd forgotten just how hot he normally is because he's been under the weather for so long that seeing him gorgeously in the full bloom of health again was like WHOAH! Ton of gorgeous bricks falling on my head. And me likey!

He shouldn't be allowed to wear another shirt. Like ever.

Agreed. Oh, why oh why, couldn't he have been shirtless in that final scene? Ah well

Also Ian and Nina, guh!

I KNOW!!! These two definitely are the exception to the involved-in-real-life-kills-chemistry rule. DEFINITELY.

ETA: I just saw you have a new header! Looks gorgeous!

Thank you. :D SQUEE!

Edited at 2011-02-25 03:53 pm (UTC)
ancholiaancholia on February 25th, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
It was such a great episode with so many things to analyze.
Of course, I loved the scenes between Katherine and Damon, the last one especially because we can see Damon is finally over Katherine.
Katherine probably thought that Damon who'll be the easy one to convince but in fact Stefan seems to trust her more than Damon and I think that's why she tried to seduce Damon at the end of the episode. She knows that as long as he won't trust her, Elena won't either and she needs them to believe her for whatever she has planned.

I was a bit disappointed by the whole "confidence" thing. I ddidn't thought Katherine would repeat to Damon how it's still Stefan... again but I'm glad she did it because we saw how it hurted Damon but it didn't make in go on a rampage like in The Return".

I can't believe there is another hiatus. I need by Ian Somerhalder fix! He was so perfect in this episode!
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder04arabian on February 25th, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
It was such a great episode with so many things to analyze.

Yes. I really adore Caroline Dries. After (or alongside) Kevin and Julie, she's my favorite writer for this show. She co-wrote "Miss Mystic Falls" (my favorite episode) and "Isobel" (in my top 10 fave episodes). She also wrote "The Sacrifice" (tied for #10 in my top ten), and this one, which I adored. (Okay, fine, she also wrote "Memory Lane" which did not impress, but that could have been because it was ridiculously hyped up and I was tired of the Damon-is-a-patheric-loser edit from the last three episodes, LOL! A rewatch may up that one.)

Of course, I loved the scenes between Katherine and Damon, the last one especially because we can see Damon is finally over Katherine.

Yes, I loved the scenes because Ian and Nina are SO GOOD together, and YES!, because Damon is done with her. No question now.

I was a bit disappointed by the whole "confidence" thing. I didn't thought Katherine would repeat to Damon how it's still Stefan... again but I'm glad she did it because we saw how it hurted Damon but it didn't make in go on a rampage like in The Return".

And I think that's why we needed a repeat of her choosing Stefan (albeit in a different way). We needed to see that, yes, despite how Stefan treated Katherine as he left the tomb, she still "loved" Stefan, and we needed to see Damon get rejected and passed over again by her, and NOT react as he did in "The Return."

I can't believe there is another hiatus.

Blame it on pinched nerves (Nina), walking pneumonia (Ian), broken ankles (Paul) and snow/ice days (inclement weather). They are so off schedule, it's not even funny. They are actually filming episode 17 -- as in the episode number after the episode that just aired last night! -- RIGHT NOW. That's how behind they are. I am shocked that they managed to cull some scenes together for the next preview. They must have filmed those scenes on the first day of shooting.

I need by Ian Somerhalder fix! He was so perfect in this episode!

Sigh. Yes, this so much this.
eolivet on February 25th, 2011 02:42 pm (UTC)
This was a good, solid ep -- definitely more even than last week. :D Excellent point about airing during Valentine's Week -- nice catch. :)

Hmm, so Stefan killed Jonas, but we know that he wasn't hurting Bonnie at the end there, but giving her her powers back.

Here's my question, then: does that mean the Gilbert bathroom is now a place where Klaus can be killed (or maimed) -- because a witch/warlock died there violently? Or was it implied that it was just the site where hundreds of witches were burned?

It's funny...I was convinced Katherine needed to die (and I still think she does by season's end) -- but when it looked like it might happen, I was like "NO!!" She's much better out of the tomb than when she was just wasting away inside it. ;) Loved the Katherine and Luka scene -- so much suspense!!!

Speaking of, wow, Mia Kirshner is looking rather harsh there.

GAH, no kidding! The word Tim Gunn would've used to describe her would've been "matronly." Especially with Jenna looking all of 21 as she opened the door. ;p

(I did wonder what the heck happened to AndieStarr!Action News, but I figured Damon just compelled her to go away...still, scenes with her and Katherine would've been gold. ;p )

As for Matt, I don't think Zach Roerig is a good actor AT ALL -- so his "wah, Vicki!" scenes seemed OTT for me. I appreciated what they tried to do by bringing Matt into the "vampire knowledge" club, but to me, that was an example of something that made sense on paper, and fell flat onscreen. :/

(When Caroline was singing, all I could think of is "Well, she's not as good as Rachel, but better than Brittany...maybe she's a Tina?" :p )

OT, but will you post your views on the Idol Top 24? :) Curious to know your thoughts... :D
Arabian: Damon&Katherine03arabian on February 25th, 2011 04:14 pm (UTC)
This was a good, solid ep -- definitely more even than last week. :D

Yeah, and last week was a really good episode too. I'd put this one at #5 in this season -- after "The Return," "Daddy Issues," "Masquerade" and "The Sacrifice" -- although, honestly, the Damon/Elena fangirl in me may be putting TS above this one. A rewatch will clear that up.

Aren't you so glad I bugged you to watch this show? LOL!

Excellent point about airing during Valentine's Week -- nice catch. :)

It just goes in line with "The Descent" making a MUCH better mid-season finale, and going back one week, this would be for VDay week. Makes sense.

Hmm, so Stefan killed Jonas, but we know that he wasn't hurting Bonnie at the end there, but giving her her powers back.

I dunno; I wonder if she'll have stronger powers now too, though?

Here's my question, then: does that mean the Gilbert bathroom is now a place where Klaus can be killed (or maimed) -- because a witch/warlock died there violently? Or was it implied that it was just the site where hundreds of witches were burned?

No, it seemed pretty clear that it was the site of BUNCHES of witches dying violent in the same spot that does it.

It's funny...I was convinced Katherine needed to die (and I still think she does by season's end) -- but when it looked like it might happen, I was like "NO!!" She's much better out of the tomb than when she was just wasting away inside it. ;) Loved the Katherine and Luka scene -- so much suspense!!!

I really thought they were killing her off! Good think astral-Luka has lousy aim. I do think she may die by season's end too (or disappear into the night to come back and wreak havoc later), but I don't want her to die. Katherine is too awesome, and, and, and we only get awesome, non-annoyingly-flat-ironed-straight Nina hair when she's playing Katherine. And you know how important hair is to me!

The word Tim Gunn would've used to describe her would've been "matronly." Especially with Jenna looking all of 21 as she opened the door. ;p

I'm hoping that there's a reason she looked that bad, and not just the make-up department sucking again, LOL!

(I did wonder what the heck happened to AndieStarr!Action News, but I figured Damon just compelled her to go away...still, scenes with her and Katherine would've been gold. ;p )

It was just one day and night, so I don't think it was jarring that she wasn't there. I am wondering if Katherine will go after Andie in the next episode (we know that she's in it because the actress mentioned going back to Atlanta to film for episode 17), since she can't go after Elena. I mean, I know we have the upcoming scene where Elena confronts Damon about Andie, but I wonder if they'll be something with Katherine and Andie too? Hmmm. I could so see Katherine killing Andie just because she's annoyed that Damon is doing her, but not Katherine.

As for Matt, I don't think Zach Roerig is a good actor AT ALL -- so his "wah, Vicki!" scenes seemed OTT for me. I appreciated what they tried to do by bringing Matt into the "vampire knowledge" club, but to me, that was an example of something that made sense on paper, and fell flat onscreen. :/

I didn't love it, but I don't have your Matt/Zach issues, so I was okay with it. For me it was all about CAROLINE!, Matt finding out, and the awesome Vicki-recall and logical leap (from his perspective) that Caroline attacked Vicki.

(When Caroline was singing, all I could think of is "Well, she's not as good as Rachel, but better than Brittany...maybe she's a Tina?" :p )

Oh, you Gleeker, you! LOL!

OT, but will you post your views on the Idol Top 24? :) Curious to know your thoughts... :D

I've gotten so little responses to my AI posts over the last few years, that paired with my limited time, I decided to not do a write-up this year, but for you, I will give my top 24 thoughts ... because I do have them. And I do have favorites. :)
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youcallitwinter: broadway's got you in its hold right nowyoucallitwinter on February 25th, 2011 04:21 pm (UTC)
Haha, you noticed the 'guy-liner' too, I was all "IS THAT...OMFG, IT IS." But I pretty much agree with everything (and I love that you have your D/E shipper glasses on because god, that just makes everything so much better). And the Damon/Katherine chemistry is pretty much off the charts (which I refuse to admit is anything but the Ian/Nina influence, SRSLY, YOU CANNOT INVENT THIS SHIT) and I thought the hand-slapping bit was insanely adorable, that's the thing with them- they're so much like little spoilt brats, used to getting whatever they want and this whole working together (for Katherine) and caring (for Damon) is clearly taking them on the highway to kindergarten. Damon's face when Katherine first said she could only save one of them, I love how he went through the whole spectrum of emotions- trying to smile but not succeeding because it obviously reminds him he's never really been first choice for anyone, not even this woman who seems the opposite of Stefan and most like him. So him pushing her off and completely in control unlike in 'The Return' was pretty much closure for his feelings.

Caroline- AWW. I just...this is why I ship her with everything that walks, she's too precious not too. But I loved how the show was careful about little things like Matt's reaction; that the first thing he thought of was Vicki and that he thought Caroline did it, wonderful bit of realism.

SHOW, YOU CANNOT DO THIS, I AM TALKING TO MY LAWYER, MEDICAL JOURNAL LIST 'Deaths from anticipation' TRUFAX.
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on February 25th, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC)
Haha, you noticed the 'guy-liner' too, I was all "IS THAT...OMFG, IT IS."

Ah, you have not read my previous ep reviews because I've mentioned this a bit, and I just did a whole write-up on the horrible make-up job that's done on this show. If you have time, feel free to browse through my Vampire Diaries tag, you'll have a lot to read!

But I pretty much agree with everything (and I love that you have your D/E shipper glasses on because god, that just makes everything so much better).

As much as I love this show outside of my couple, I can't watch it without those goggles firmly intact, LOL!

And the Damon/Katherine chemistry is pretty much off the charts (which I refuse to admit is anything but the Ian/Nina influence, SRSLY, YOU CANNOT INVENT THIS SHIT)

Oh yeah, I don't ship Damon and Katherine AT ALL, but Nina and Ian are so insanely, chemically hot that it's impossible to not be affected during their scenes. They are just so ... GUH!!

and I thought the hand-slapping bit was insanely adorable, that's the thing with them- they're so much like little spoilt brats, used to getting whatever they want and this whole working together (for Katherine) and caring (for Damon) is clearly taking them on the highway to kindergarten.

Yes, oh my God!, that's such a perfect way to put it. So perfect.

Damon's face when Katherine first said she could only save one of them, I love how he went through the whole spectrum of emotions- trying to smile but not succeeding because it obviously reminds him he's never really been first choice for anyone, not even this woman who seems the opposite of Stefan and most like him. So him pushing her off and completely in control unlike in 'The Return' was pretty much closure for his feelings.

Yup. It's always Stefan, and I go back to that as proof that it HAS to be Damon/Elena endgame because he needs to be chosen first and by someone who initially was all about Stefan. Poor boy's ego needs that. What is wrong with this world this show has created that Damon played by Ian Fucking Somerhalder is second choice? HELLO!?!?!?!?

Caroline- AWW. I just...this is why I ship her with everything that walks, she's too precious not too.

Yup, yup, yup.

But I loved how the show was careful about little things like Matt's reaction; that the first thing he thought of was Vicki and that he thought Caroline did it, wonderful bit of realism.

I love how they manage to imbue realism whenever they can, and I adore that oh so much.

SHOW, YOU CANNOT DO THIS, I AM TALKING TO MY LAWYER, MEDICAL JOURNAL LIST 'Deaths from anticipation' TRUFAX.

Stupid real-life curses affecting the show causing our delays. Wah!
Maeve: HMC: Howl/Sophie Embracemarble_rose on February 25th, 2011 09:27 pm (UTC)
The Stefan/Elena stuff at the beginning was weird for me. Really weird. I know a bunch of Stefan/Elena fans were talking about how cute it was, but it reminded me so strongly of Stefan's human blood arc that it all just made me uncomfortable. When Stefan gets a little too fun around Elena, I tend to think he's fallen off the wagon and I get worried for our girl. That probably wasn't the reaction the show intended for me to have, but whatever. Stefan is only genuinely fun around Lexi and probably Caroline, so.

Speaking of Stefan/Elena, I'm actually a little pleased that Stefan couldn't tell them apart, that he thought he had been making out with Katherine. I know a bunch of smug S/E fangirls who were all triumphant that Stefan could tell them apart before but Damon couldn't. So this spiteful little part of me is glad that they're on more equal footing with that, now.

I am SO glad that Damon rejected Katherine. I feel like Damon has been kicked and rejected so much this season that I just really want him to regain some of the dignity that he's lost. As hot as Damon and Katherine are in their scenes, I don't ever want Damon to go there. I don't want her to have any kind of power over him again. The whole time I was watching their scenes, I was like: "This is really hot. This is really really hot. OH GOD PLEASE DON'T ACTUALLY GO THERE."
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 25th, 2011 09:40 pm (UTC)
The Stefan/Elena stuff at the beginning was weird for me. Really weird. I know a bunch of Stefan/Elena fans were talking about how cute it was, but it reminded me so strongly of Stefan's human blood arc that it all just made me uncomfortable. When Stefan gets a little too fun around Elena, I tend to think he's fallen off the wagon and I get worried for our girl.

I'd like to think it was that because I want to see some effect of the human blood-drinkage, damnit, but I'm more inclined to think that was more for the whole Stefan thinking it was Katherine after the fact. On the other hand, Caroline Dries co-wrote "Miss Mystic Falls" which had the hopped-up, uber-flirty Stefan high on human blood dancing, so ....

That probably wasn't the reaction the show intended for me to have, but whatever.

Probably not.

Stefan is only genuinely fun around Lexi and probably Caroline, so.

Stefan/Caroline FTW!!! :D

Speaking of Stefan/Elena, I'm actually a little pleased that Stefan couldn't tell them apart, that he thought he had been making out with Katherine. I know a bunch of smug S/E fangirls who were all triumphant that Stefan could tell them apart before but Damon couldn't. So this spiteful little part of me is glad that they're on more equal footing with that, now.

Oh, I LOVED it for that reason. And to throw it back at those smug Stefan/Elena fans -- Damon didn't know it was Elena when there wasn't even the possibility of Katherine around as far as he knew. Stefan knew it was Katherine and not Elena in the house because he already knew crazy funky things were going on and Katherine was acting VERY un-Elena alike. And then in "Memory Lane" and this episode, Stefan didn't realize it was Elena at first despite (definitively knowing in ML) that Katherine was possible. And, let me reiterate because I love it so, Stefan thought that he had just made out with Katherine instead of Elena! Hee! He can't tell that difference apart! Or at least thinks that he can't. Yeah, baby!

I am SO glad that Damon rejected Katherine. I feel like Damon has been kicked and rejected so much this season that I just really want him to regain some of the dignity that he's lost. As hot as Damon and Katherine are in their scenes, I don't ever want Damon to go there. I don't want her to have any kind of power over him again. The whole time I was watching their scenes, I was like: "This is really hot. This is really really hot. OH GOD PLEASE DON'T ACTUALLY GO THERE."

Pretty much. The voyeur in me (lol) wanted the hot stuff, but as a Damon-stan-girl, I'm so glad he rejected her so soundly. Go Damon! :D

Edited at 2011-02-25 09:41 pm (UTC)
distant_lines: Brotherly Lovedistant_lines on February 25th, 2011 09:28 pm (UTC)
This episode was awesome. I loved seeing some of the Damon from season 1 return, but without him doing things to specifically hurt people. Damon was definitely the character on his game last night. He noticed Katherine was faking at being Elena within like a second. He sensed Stefan in the house before Katherine did when they were sorting the journals. He sensed Luka in the house without Katherine even being able to sense him. Then, he was the one to save Katherine's ass, and immediately put the pieces together about what was happening. And just to top everything off, he used Katherine's manipulations against her and got the information he wanted, then shot her down cold. He definitely deserves the gold star last night.

I just love watching Damon continuously shut Katherine down. He's not so sweet and innocent anymore, is he? I hope we get to see more of their bantering, and I want them to delve into exactly why Katherine kept feeding him her blood, had a day walking ring made for him, and never bothered to kill him in 145 years if he was such a nuisance. Cause I just don't believe that she feels such annoyance or nothing romantic toward him. There has to be reason to why she had him turned and why she's still messing with him. If she loves Stefan so much how come she's spending all her time messing with Damon's head? I'd like to see the writers explain this, because I've been wondering about this most of the season.

I've been finding the Stefan and Elena dynamic getting a little interesting to me, because I feel like they're constantly reading from separate books, they're so far gone from being on the same page. I also just keep hoping that the human blood aspect is going to come back up, because he's starting to act a little more like the Stefan on human blood. I know I'll be severely pissed off if they don't revisit that. They can't have gone through all the trouble of showing us that he has such a huge problem with human blood, and then just have it all be fixed because he's drinking Elena's now. I call bullshit, and they better too.

Caroline was made of so much win last night. Then again, that's never anything new. She is badass. I really wish we would have gotten some Stefan and Caroline goodness, but I can be patient. A lot more interviews with Paul and Candice are mentioning the chemistry and growing fan backing for the characters, so the writers have to have noticed.

I also loved seeing Damon and Stefan back on the same page again. I love Damon and Elena, but Stefan and Damon are the scenes that I spend forever dissecting, and I want so much more backstory and time put into their relationship. I feel their dysfunction was one of the strongest points of last season, and I think they should bring that back some more.
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Forbes Toughbutterfly on February 25th, 2011 11:10 pm (UTC)
I loved seeing some of the Damon from season 1 return, but without him doing things to specifically hurt people. Damon was definitely the character on his game last night. He noticed Katherine was faking at being Elena within like a second. He sensed Stefan in the house before Katherine did when they were sorting the journals. He sensed Luka in the house without Katherine even being able to sense him. Then, he was the one to save Katherine's ass, and immediately put the pieces together about what was happening. And just to top everything off, he used Katherine's manipulations against her and got the information he wanted, then shot her down cold. He definitely deserves the gold star last night.

He really was so capable last night, wasn't he? He got tons of things done.

A lot more interviews with Paul and Candice are mentioning the chemistry and growing fan backing for the characters, so the writers have to have noticed.

Really? That's awesome. I have been such a fan of them and definitely starting shipping them for real after that scene at Caroline's door where Stefan was all softly admiring of her awesomeness.
(no subject) - arabian on February 26th, 2011 02:29 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - arabian on February 26th, 2011 02:22 am (UTC) (Expand)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Roadtrip!badboy_fangirl on February 25th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
As I mentioned, I think you are right about "The Descent" being the episode they hoped to end on, but it must have been Ian's illness that kept them from it--because let's face it, his final scene in that episode was BRILLIANT, and he needed to be getting a little better for that to happen. So i concur that ending one stretch of eps with Uncle Papa John returning and the next with Isobel turning up, makes me wonder what will happen in the finale finale! Who will turn up then? Or will Damon kiss Elena thinking she's Katherine?

:D

Speaking of Damon and Katherine--I so agree with ALL your points there. They are so much fun to watch, though the whole time I'm chewing the inside of my cheek hoping Damon's not gonna go ballastic because of her, and it was just really wonderful to see that he's over her. And the way he messed with her was so adorable--the whole "Who's lying now!?" bit was so great because he had that little smirk on his face indicating that he does in fact know where Emily died (I hope we get THAT flashback) but he never answered otherwise.

So great. And yes, he was so super attractive, I wondered if he's just triumphing over their attempts to uglify him or if whoever got him knows what the hell they're doing.

Maybe the bad make-up person used to do Ian and now they're doing Ernesto? That's my guess.
Arabian: DE & Alaric01arabian on February 26th, 2011 02:26 am (UTC)
As I mentioned, I think you are right about "The Descent" being the episode they hoped to end on, but it must have been Ian's illness that kept them from it--because let's face it, his final scene in that episode was BRILLIANT, and he needed to be getting a little better for that to happen. So i concur that ending one stretch of eps with Uncle Papa John returning and the next with Isobel turning up, makes me wonder what will happen in the finale finale! Who will turn up then? Or will Damon kiss Elena thinking she's Katherine?

I dunno, because the last episode that he filmed where he wasn't sick was "Daddy Issues," so he was probably still in it bad for "The Descent." And, actually, his illness might have helped him pull off that final scene, LOL! I think it was just a matter of ALL of the delays pushing them behind so they couldn't have the episode as the mid-season finale that was planned.

Speaking of Damon and Katherine--I so agree with ALL your points there. They are so much fun to watch, though the whole time I'm chewing the inside of my cheek hoping Damon's not gonna go ballastic because of her, and it was just really wonderful to see that he's over her. And the way he messed with her was so adorable--the whole "Who's lying now!?" bit was so great because he had that little smirk on his face indicating that he does in fact know where Emily died (I hope we get THAT flashback) but he never answered otherwise.

Well, Carina McKenzie mentioned in her review that she's heard rumors that Bianca Lawson is coming back to the show, so hope springs eternal that we will get that flashback. We have to get some witchy stuff, and Damon having some interaction with her would make perfect sense.

So great. And yes, he was so super attractive, I wondered if he's just triumphing over their attempts to uglify him or if whoever got him knows what the hell they're doing.

Maybe the bad make-up person used to do Ian and now they're doing Ernesto? That's my guess.


I think it's that Ian is finally back to full-health because others are stil looking not their best. He is just so freaking beautiful that when in full bloom, even they're uglifying efforts don't work.

Still, poor Ernesto. :(
artfulember on February 25th, 2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
I guess I'm the only one that teared up when Luka and Jonas died. They were only trying to save their sister/daughter, now she's pretty much an orphan. And I WANT SOMEONE TO PULL THAT DAGGER OUT DAMN IT!
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on February 26th, 2011 02:28 am (UTC)
I did like Jonas, but I had no sympathy for him because he caused his own son's death by all he did. Damon didn't even know who he was flaming, just that it was a crazy, psychotic witch attack. As for Luka? Sorry, couldn't stand him. I did literally cheer. {Hangs head}

I WANT SOMEONE TO PULL THAT DAGGER OUT DAMN IT!

YES! I MISS MY BB, ELIJAH!!
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vamplover85: pic#108426904vamplover85 on February 26th, 2011 04:14 am (UTC)
Speaking of, wow, Mia Kirshner is looking rather harsh there. Could it be the make-up people trying to uglify the beautiful people of the world again, or is there some story-dictated reason for the look? I sincerely hope it's the latter, because they clearly were on target with Damon tonight. My God, did Ian Somehalder look especially gorgeous or what? Got a haircut, no annoying OTT guyliner, just absolutely beautiful. (Yes, yes, I already mentioned this, but dayum, he looked fine! Especially that last scene, those close-ups. Phew! Be still my heart (and loins!), I totally get why Katherine couldn't resist him!)

OMG HE was delicious as ever!! I mean seriously. *Sigh* So gorgeous!!! :D

- Nina Dobrev looked AMAZING in that final scene as Katherine. GLORIOUS hair, sexy outfit, all slinky and sensual. Damn, Damon's a strong, strong man to resist that!
Yes she did!!! Nina rocked as Kathrine through the whole episode. She looked so PRETTY in that Pj's dress that was so cute!!! The sexy top coming off her shoulder. *sigh* lol. And Damon was amazing. He really played her. He didn't even flinch or anything when she was getting ready to seduce him trying to get attention. lol. I loved that.

- Candice Accola singing was a nice little treat. She sounded fabulous, and I love that song. And I want a clear, studio-recorded version of it now. She certainly sounded better than Susannah Hoffs ever did singing it.

And I didn't know Candice could sing until I saw the stills for the episode!!! Lol. But she sounded great!



- I loved how giddy and happy both Bonnie and Elena were for Caroline (and Matt). So adorable; I love how this show not only doesn't forget the importance of family amidst all of the couples and triangles, but also the importance of friendship.
I thought so too. I'm happy they were thrilled for her.

- Erm, but, yeah, make-up people, you need to keep the guyliner away from Matt Davis. It's ridiculous, yo!

Yeah I saw that and didn't like it that much on him. He just looked....I'm not sure what the word to use. But not even remotely beautiful because the guyliner. Was just way to strong on him.

These two! Damn, they are so beautiful together.
Yes. Yes they are!!! Damn that amazing chemistry! I mean seriously with D/K. Wow!! Talk about hot! All those scenes even the funny scene with the slap of the hand lol. That was funny.


and I thought the cliffhanger was PERFECT! I loved that they brought Isobel back and after telling Jenna that she was dead....now that is gonna turn the tables and I have a feeling she'll find out about the whole vampire thing before the season finale. And the only thing is that I didn't really like was Matt's revaltion's of Vampire's. They should have done that a little better. I just didn't like how that ended up. Because like you said, he's gonna be compelled because he lives in the reality of not that part of the darkside of Mystic Falls. But I LOVED that Elena actually didn't get upset when Bonnie told her about dating her brother. I'm glad. Because that would have been awkward. But all in all. Best episode I think so far! I really liked it because of the cliffhanger. lol. But omg we have to wait till APRIL!?! That's NO FAIR!!! *Sigh*



Arabian: Damon09arabian on February 27th, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
I didn't know Candice could sing until I saw the stills for the episode!!! Lol. But she sounded great!

Yeah, she has a CD out, I think. It was bubble-gum pop. :)

and I thought the cliffhanger was PERFECT! I loved that they brought Isobel back and after telling Jenna that she was dead....now that is gonna turn the tables and I have a feeling she'll find out about the whole vampire thing before the season finale.

I think so too now. Exciting! I can't wait to see how she reacts to all of it!

And the only thing is that I didn't really like was Matt's revaltion's of Vampire's. They should have done that a little better. I just didn't like how that ended up. Because like you said, he's gonna be compelled because he lives in the reality of not that part of the darkside of Mystic Falls.

I loved it, I love that we're seeing the gamut of emotions from different people regarding the vampire reveals, and they used the history of the show (with Vicki's whispered 'vampire' all the way back at the beginning of the series) so brilliantly.