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10 February 2011 @ 10:44 pm
2.14 - 'Crying Wolf' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So it's Thursday. You know what that means? IT'S TVD-DAY!! WOOHOO!!

After last week's boom!boom!boom!GO! episode, this one was a lot more laidback. Low-key is the word that best describes it. Which isn't really all that bad a thing, and it certainly worked for the Stefan/Elena scenes. However, because of that feel, it lacked a sense of urgency -- with the exception of Elena being stalked by Brady, but even that didn't have the heart-pumping horror-movie feel of Elena being stalked by Rose in "The Descent." Just compare Caroline's torture last week to Damon's this week. Yes, Damon is a different sort and would handle it differently, but still, there was simply no urgency. I love Caroline, but I adore Damon to kibbles and bits, and I think I winced on his behalf maybe twice.

*Sigh* This is not to say that this wasn't a good episode, or disappointing. It wasn't; it was very good. It just wasn't great or OMG!AWESOME!

Breaking this down, I wanna start on my favorite aspect of the episode -- the epic bromance of Damon and Alaric. WOOHOO!! FINALLY! Some good quality scenes between the two. Yeah, baby! From their first scene together, they were just awesome. Alaric correcting Damon that they don't call it "action news," followed by Damon's shrug and, "I know, I like saying it." Hee!

And then, awww!, the two of them just sitting around, knocking back a few drinks together, talking about their girlfriends -- Alaric imploring Damon to just not kill his, and lamenting about his non-stop fibbing to his own lady love, discussing the awesome of Elijah's hair, just, you know, two buddies hanging out. I. LOVED. IT. And going back, hah!

Alaric: Just don't kill her, please.
Damon: If I did, who'd report her death?
Alaric: Just don't do it. She's friends with Jenna. It's bad enough I'm lying to her about everything else.
As funny as the exchange is because you've got Alaric here asking Damon (with a please, no less) to not kill someone, it gets better in an absolutely horrible way, but still hilarious. He's not asking him to not do it because, you know, it's WRONG TO KILL PEOPLE!, but no, he's asking him because ... she's friends with his girlfriend. Oh. My. God! Having Damon as his BFF is making Alaric so morally bankrupt. And, yet, because this is fictional, I'm finding it absolutely hysterical. Ahem, moving on.

Then in their final scene, as Alaric is (once again) lying to Jenna, Damon is cleaning up the post-torture mess, and accidentally bumped the bloody rug, then whispered "Sorry" to Alaric. So adorable! I. REALLY. LOVED. IT!

I also REALLY, REALLY LOVED Elena's continued bad-assery! Grabbing the knife before stepping outside, stabbing Brady, running away from her attacker, taking his taunt ("I can smell you") and using it to her advantage (pulling her shirt off as a decoy), fake-shutting the door, burying another weapon in his back. YOU GO, ELENA WITH YOUR BAD-ASS SELF! YOU GO, GIRL!!! Oh, and screw you, Stefan. I'm getting a little tired of people (okay, Damon, Stefan, even Rose, but implied from Bonnie and Jeremy, since they helped Damon lock Elena in her house) getting on her case for trying to protect the people she loves. She's being brave and awesome and selfless. She's choosing to save the multiple lives of those she loves if the cost is just her own life in return. She isn't being selfish, or stupid or martyring herself. She's logically looking at all of the pieces in play and making the hard decision that will save the most people important to her. That makes her awesome, Stefan. So shut up. (And shut up to Damon to for pulling that shit on her as well in the past.)

Okay, so I figured out that my issue is not with everyone not wanting her to do this, because it is stupid when looked at logically. It's a case of she WILL die, her friends MIGHT die, and the whole curse thing being lifted could be very, very bad for humanity in general. I'm frustrated that no one seems to be responding to her decision with logic. Ie, she WILL die, they MIGHT die, and that there is much more at stake here than just her life or her friends. Instead, they're disregarding her completely and just telling her off about it. So I guess that's my big issue ... HOW they're telling her. They're treating her like a child. Clearly she's freaking out, and no one is being cool about it with her, instead they're just telling her "NO, ELENA! YOU'RE BAD!" not, "Elena, think this through." So, yeah, it's the how that's sticking in my craw.

Speaking of that bit there, the reveal that Elijah planned for Elena to die was a bit ... anti-climactic, yes? And, I'm sorry, but I gotta blame the director -- a first-timer on this show, David Von Ancken -- and Steven R. McQueen. I just expected a much bigger reaction to that. At least we had the surprise and glittering with tears eyes of Bonnie, but Jeremy's slight head-shake and 'nooo' didn't register as shock to me, but mild bumminess, and, yeah, we needed A LOT more in this moment. Like I said above, low-key was the keyword this episode, and I gotta say I was not impressed with Von Ancken for that reason. A lot of really cool stuff happened this episode, but it didn't FEEL like it. And this was just one of those such moments, and if the director didn't push that sense of urgency, that emotion, McQueen could have tried to put more in it. Katerina Graham did, even if it was just unshed tears glassing up her eyes, stunned, unhappy silence.

Alright, backing up, I suppose, I should talk about Stefan and Elena and their weekend getaway. First of all, Jenna, you know how much of a dick I (and everyone else in Mystic Falls) think(s) that John is, right? So why you gotta go make me side with him over you? If Elena wants to get away from John (understandable, see definition of dick: John Gilbert), then okay her to extend her slumber party with her best friends, but okaying a weekend getaway between her underage niece and her boyfriend? Just, no, Jenna. No. As for the Stefan/Elena scenes? Well, objectively speaking, they were good scenes, and I'll be shocked if their fans didn't love them to bits. But for me as someone who is NOT a fan of the couple -- I'm so beyond over them at this point, it's not even funny -- quite a few moments just highlighted issues I have with them.

Like how they pretend to be normal. Like their glaring lack of communication, and I could NOT believe that Stefan actually said when ELENA is ready to discuss those icky-vampire-things they don't talk about, they'll talk about it. When Elena is ready, Stefan? Because you've tried to be so open and forthcoming, and she's just shut you down at every turn. Uh huh. Riiiiiight. Oh, yeah, and finally, the fact that they're such morons together. In the midst of all of this crazy, they go away, with threats hanging over everyone's heads? If Stefan had been there, do you think the vampires would have gotten the jump on Damon like that? Nope. But, yeah, Stefan was too busy having a romantic getaway with his girlfriend. Oy vey.

One thing that did confuse me a bit (mostly because it didn't fit with any tension between them at all) was the lyrics -- which were quite audible -- that played during one of their scenes. These were the lyrics that stood out the most to me:

It's like we've been drifting along
Pretending like nothing's wrong, yeah
We play the game, keep up the charade
But when the river runs dry we're on different sides
Just very, very interesting if it's supposed to be foreshadowing, because, again, it didn't fit those scenes, but did play over them "playing house."

Moving on, so that scene with Tyler and Matt was supposed to absolutely bring to mind the parallels between the two of them and Caroline, and Damon, Elena and Stefan, right? If so, it just made me sad because in about five episodes, they've managed to create a more well-angled triangle between those three than with the original triangle. I think one of my big problems with the Stefan/Elena scenes in tonight's episode is that they are still playing as if Elena has no feelings for anyone but Stefan, and that's all and good if it was just supposed to be that they are *the* couple, but this show has been sold as a triangle from day one, and when my half of the so-called triangle is getting a three-second hands-on-biceps-hold and the other half is getting I love yous, romantic moments on a dock, make-outs in doorways, on counters, against walls, a season and a half into the series, it's getting frustrating.

Sure, we get moments and hints that Elena feels that something more for Damon, but they're so submerged, and there's no sign of it anywhere in her scenes with Stefan where a twinge when Damon's name comes up would be a crumb at least, well, yeah, it gets old. It just doesn't feel like we're moving anywhere towards an actual triangle, and sure the show is doing well, but we don't know how long it's going to be around. I'd like to see some movement not just in drips and drops in the Damon/Elena scenes, but also some tension, some fracturing, some guilt, some something! in the Stefan/Elena scenes to show that something is happening.

Finally, Tyler's story. I thought they did some interesting back and forth with him. And I liked that it was finding out the truth about Elena's part that got him to back down, and I really liked that Elena hugged him ... even after it was clear he had to have had something to do with Stefan being bloody. It shows that, yeah, Elena REALLY is that empathetic a person, it's not just all about throwing the Damon/Elena shippers crumbs. But back to Tyler. I think they did a great job of getting us to feel for his predicament even after he stole Caroline's phone, and set the werewolves onto Elena and Stefan's trail, and shot Stefan. Now what will happen with him leaving with Jules? I dunno, but I'm certainly curious. And I was quite surprised. I wonder if we'll get a few Tyler-free episodes, or if we'll just see him elsewhere.

Speaking of Jules, I was pretty meh on the actress when she first appeared and remained so until last week's episode, but I'm really liking her now. I think it took a bit of time to get us where we needed to be to feel anything for her, but I'm intrigued by her, and finding the actress really working it now. So yay!

Alright, random thoughts time!

- I really do like Jeremy and Bonnie, but I gotta say, I wasn't impressed by their big kiss (although, I did like Bonnie's "wow" when it was over). It just didn't work for me. Ah well.

- I loved that we had so many moments of Elena remembering her mother and father. So often when tragedies pre-date a show, they are forgotten as the series progresses. We don't forget about Elena and Jeremy's parents, and that they lost them. It doesn't always show up, but it does enough that it's a believable, realistic, continuing thread.

- Aww, the one teeny bit of Damon/Elena-ness in the episode, Elijah saved Damon because he's one of the people that Elena cares about/loves and thus is under Elijah's protection as part of their deal. Awww!

- Speaking of Elijah. Hah! I loved Damon mocking the use of "Smith" as Elijah's last name. Hee.

- John is such a dick; he really is. I loved, loved, loved how Alaric just let all of his comments roll off his back. He was so unaffected by John's posturing that he didn't even mention it to his buddy, Damon, during their fireside chat.

- I loved Damon's "If you only knew the irony" when Jules asked a chair-bound Damon about the whereabouts of the moonstone in the living area of the Salvatore boarding house. Awesome!

- I got such a kick out of Damon's OOH! expression after Elijah's heart-rippage free-for-all, because when Elijah did his first (that we saw) double-heart-rippage in "The Sacrifice," I wrote this:

BWAH! And then he did a dual-heart-rippage. I gotta say, I half-expected Damon to say either "Hey! That's my trip." Or "Yo, dude. Cool, I give you mad props." (Okay, Damon would never say either, but it was fun to imagine.)
Damon's expression here matched up nicely with the second bit of imagined dialogue I had. Hah.

- Oh, speaking of heart-rippage. Yeah, I'll admit it, I was annoyed when Stefan did it to Brady. Damnit! That's Damon (and Elijah's) thing. Whyjda have to go and give that to Stefan too? :pouts:

- Oh, man! Damon's over-the-top Ward Cleaver-ish behavior with Andie was cracking me up. So hilariously over-the-top. Oh, Damon.

- It must be said. Any scene with Luka automatically becomes boring ... even with the magnificence of Caroline on screen. Now that is just serious anti-charisma going on there. If the guy manages to boring up a scene with Damon, we know that he should be kept from ever acting again. I'm sorry, mean, I know, but it's so how I see it. SO BORING.

- Not boring? All three girls in bed, and Elena falling off. Heh. That gave me a chuckle.

- Finally, I want to end on noting a lovely, if sad, moment. When Carol Lockwood picked up that envelope from Tyler and then looked up and around, I have to hand it to Susan Walters. She really had a moment there. In a few brief seconds, she managed to convey her pain, and the clear remembrance of having lost her husband only a few months before so beautifully. Ah, it really got to me.

ETA - Oh, man, it took reading butterfly's post to remember one of my favorite things: Nerdy werewolf dude calling Katherine "Kathy." I cracked up every. single. time. BWAH! "Kathy!"

And one more ETA thanks to butterfly and a different post by her - I knew that one of the kisses between Stefan and Elena was Paul's stunt double because he couldn't pick Nina up because of his broken ankle. Well, it was clearly the kiss after he comes in the house and lifts her up, and that was so the hottest kiss I've ever seen between Stefan and Elena. Yeah. But I didn't even register while watching it, duh, not Paul. LOL! Nina and Paul just don't have sexy chemistry. Even Stefan/Katherine -- by virtue of the story have more chemistry in the tale -- aren't really sexy, sexy, but with Stefan and Elena, yeah, no. I feel nothing.

So yeah, very good episode, if not one of their best. So I kinda hope they don't use this director guy again. The Vampire Diaries is many things. Low-key is not one of them.

Still ... woohoo!! DAMON AND ALARIC BROMANCE FOR THE WIN!!!
 
 
 
x5valex5vale on February 11th, 2011 05:39 am (UTC)
I totally agree with you.

Loved Alaric\Damon. Perfect.

The scene that got me the most was Damon talking to Stefan at the end. I felt for him. So alone, tired, resigned.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric01arabian on February 11th, 2011 05:14 pm (UTC)
Alaric and Damon were made of SO MUCH WIN!

But, yeah, at the end, once again, Damon's all alone. *sigh*
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Nina/Ianbutterfly on February 11th, 2011 05:48 am (UTC)

I also REALLY, REALLY LOVED Elena's continued bad-assery! Grabbing the knife before stepping outside, stabbing Brady, running away from her attacker, taking his taunt ("I can smell you") and using it to her advantage (pulling her shirt off as a decoy), fake-shutting the door, burying another weapon in his back. YOU GO, ELENA WITH YOUR BAD-ASS SELF! YOU GO, GIRL!!! Oh, and screw you, Stefan. I'm getting a little tired of people (okay, Damon, Stefan, even Rose, but implied from Bonnie and Jeremy, since they helped Damon lock Elena in her house) getting on her case for trying to protect the people she loves. She's being brave and awesome and selfless. She's choosing to save the multiple lives of those she loves if the cost is just her own life in return. She isn't being selfish, or stupid or martyring herself. She's logically looking at all of the pieces in play and making the hard decision that will save the most people important to her. That makes her awesome, Stefan. So shut up. (And shut up to Damon to for pulling that shit on her as well in the past.)


Ha, we disagree about this. I'm firmly against Elena walking head-long into her own death. I get her motivations, I just think... it really is her giving up on alternate solutions and it's... I think it's sad. And I'm firmly Team No Dead Elena.

(I don't think she's being selfish at all, though. She's being profoundly selfless. I just think it's the kind of selflessness that I utterly support her loved ones thwarting)

I actually found the Stefan/Elena relationship interesting tonight. Or, well, I found the early stuff hilarious and then I was glad that Stefan actually showed emotions toward Elena that weren't 'you are a perfect, delicate flower' at the end.
Arabian: Ian & Nina06arabian on February 11th, 2011 05:14 pm (UTC)
I obviously don't want Elena to die, and I don't want her walking head-long into her own death, but this is HER choice and one she's making of her own free will, and I don't think it's right that everyone is ignoring her very plainly stated wishes. Sure, they love her and don't want her to die, but why is her life more valuable than all of them? And that is her point and that's why it pisses me off that everyone is disregarding what she wants in this equation.

Again, I did think the S/E scenes were good, but I'm just over them at this point. It took about six or seven episodes of live viewing (plus the summer hiatus) for me to get to the point where I was done with them. I don't know if you'll get there, but yeah, I can recognize that their scenes worked. I just don't care at this point. Stick a fork in them.
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crowandfogcrowandfog on February 11th, 2011 06:42 am (UTC)
As funny as the exchange is because you've got Alaric here asking Damon (with a please, no less) to not kill someone, it gets better in an absolutely horrible way, but still hilarious. He's not asking him to not do it because, you know, it's WRONG TO KILL PEOPLE!, but no, he's asking him because ... she's friends with his girlfriend. Oh. My. God! Having Damon as his BFF is making Alaric so morally bankrupt. And, yet, because this is fictional, I'm finding it absolutely hysterical.

The bromance was my favorite thing about this episode, too. Alaric asking Damon not to kill Andie really was hysterical for all the reasons you mentioned. Alaric is so gray now. :D Also, I enjoyed being able to see that Alaric and Damon genuinely like each other. At times, it seems like they are begrudging allies who have a common goal, but in this episode, they were totally buddies! It warmed my heart so. I like to imagine that this has been going on off-screen ever since "Blood Brothers." I'm just so happy.

At least we had the surprise and glittering with tears eyes of Bonnie, but Jeremy's slight head-shake and 'nooo' didn't register as shock to me, but mild bumminess, and, yeah, we needed A LOT more in this moment.

I agree. Plus, I was pretty sure from the language that Elijah used in "The Sacrifice" that this was the case anyway. So no shock there. (Side note: I will now be using the word "bumminess" as often as I can. Too cute!)

First of all, Jenna, you know how much of a dick I (and everyone else in Mystic Falls) think(s) that John is, right? So why you gotta go make me side with him over you? If Elena wants to get away from John (understandable, see definition of dick: John Gilbert), then okay her to extend her slumber party with her best friends, but okaying a weekend getaway between her underage niece and her boyfriend? Just, no, Jenna. No.

Ah, yes. Jenna Sommers, world's most crap guardian. John was just so right. Seriously, who tells their teenage niece that she should enjoy a nice weekend getaway with her boyfriend? I thought Jenna's lack of concern about Elena's sexual escapades was due to Katherine's compulsion, but, apparently, Jenna is just that bad at being a parent. Although, now that I think about it, she didn't care about Jeremy having Vicki sleep over, either. Thank goodness these kids keep getting involved with infertile vampires, or Jenna might find herself responsible for a much larger crowd! She better keep an eye on the new Jeremy/Bonnie situation!

Re: the lyrics that played during the Stefan/Elena scene. I'm not sure if I know exactly what scene you are referencing, but is it possible that the lyrics referred to Elena pretending that she might have a future with Stefan, when she is planning to die as part of her deal with Elijah?

I'd like to see some movement not just in drips and drops in the Damon/Elena scenes, but also some tension, some fracturing, some guilt, some something! in the Stefan/Elena scenes to show that something is happening.

Interesting that you write this, because there were moments in their last scene together when I felt like I was actually watching the dissolution of their relationship. I think it was the way that Stefan was chastising her about the deal she made with Elijah. Stefan spoke to her as if she were being immoral in some way for trying to save her friends and family. "That's not heroic; that's tragic." It was very different from Damon's response to her in "The Sacrifice" which obviously came from his desire to protect her. Stefan spoke to her like she was acting against some kind of law. His desire for her to live didn't seem as personal to me: what Elena's doing is wrong, not because Stefan doesn't want her to die, but because humans should not die to protect vampires. My guess is that Stefan tells her about his past next week because he's trying to convince her that it is somehow righteous for him to die now and for her to live. "You see, Elena, I was once a monster, something for which I can never fully atone; therefore, it is only right that I die while protecting a descendant of the family that I once tried to destroy."

crowandfogcrowandfog on February 11th, 2011 06:44 am (UTC)
Had to break up my comment because it was too long, lol!

I loved Damon's "If you only knew the irony" when Jules asked a chair-bound Damon about the whereabouts of the moonstone in the living area of the Salvatore boarding house. Awesome!

I think that was my favorite line of the entire episode. I mean, if I was Damon, I would have been laughing in their faces, too! I wouldn't have wanted to die, but if it had to happen that way *shrugs* It's all right, y'know?

I got such a kick out of Damon's OOH! expression after Elijah's heart-rippage free-for-all

Saying that Damon was impressed would be an understatement. I wrote in my reaction post that Damon is now an Elijah fanboy. He looked almost infatuated right there. And the way that Elijah tossed his head to the side, getting his bangs out of his eyes, and said, "You realize this is the third time I've saved your life"? GAH! LOOOOOOOOOOVE IIIIIT!!!!!

Now that is just serious anti-charisma going on there. If the guy manages to boring up a scene with Damon, we know that he should be kept from ever acting again.

You are SO FUNNY! But, yeah, Luka does have some anti-charisma! Ha!
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Sarpaceisthetrick on February 11th, 2011 07:31 am (UTC)
I loved your review too much. Damon & Alaric are FTW indeed. "Having Damon as his BFF is making Alaric so morally bankrupt." - This is incredible to me. They're too cute. Sometimes I wonder what they talk about alone.

Seriously, no responsible guardian would allow their teenage daughter an all-access pass to freedom, sex, whatever else with just their boyfriend. "I'm so beyond over them at this point." I roll my eyes every time they are on screen together. It's second nature now.

"my half of the so-called triangle is getting a three-second hands-on-biceps-hold." - THIS IS BULLSHIT. What kinda triangle is this?!

I've always liked Jules. She's really... intense.

I completely forgot that was Bonnie & Jeremy's first kiss until you mentioned it. They're too awkward for me. I'm not feeling the chemistry. :(

"If the guy manages to boring up a scene with Damon, we know that he should be kept from ever acting again." I laughed for a minute straight.

Whoever wrote in the Elena falls off the bed scene deserves love.
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:56 pm (UTC)
Damon & Alaric are FTW indeed. "Having Damon as his BFF is making Alaric so morally bankrupt." - This is incredible to me. They're too cute. Sometimes I wonder what they talk about alone.

Well, we know now. We saw it tonight. They talk about their girlfriends, Damon's penchant for killing, Alaric's penchant for lying, and just hang out like buds! :D

Seriously, no responsible guardian would allow their teenage daughter an all-access pass to freedom, sex, whatever else with just their boyfriend. "I'm so beyond over them at this point." I roll my eyes every time they are on screen together. It's second nature now.

So ridiculous, and yeah, so over them. SO OVER THEM!

"my half of the so-called triangle is getting a three-second hands-on-biceps-hold." - THIS IS BULLSHIT. What kinda triangle is this?!

Exactly. It's NOT a triangle. It's a couple, with a guy on the outside who's decided to not pursue her. That is not a triangle.

I've always liked Jules. She's really... intense.

It sucks that just when I'm beginning to appreciate her, she's gone. She may come back whenever Tyler does. :shrugs:

I completely forgot that was Bonnie & Jeremy's first kiss until you mentioned it. They're too awkward for me. I'm not feeling the chemistry. :(

Yeah, I was prior to that kiss, but it just was not ... good.

"If the guy manages to boring up a scene with Damon, we know that he should be kept from ever acting again." I laughed for a minute straight.

Aww, thanks! Hee!

Whoever wrote in the Elena falls off the bed scene deserves love.

It was such a cute, little moment.
Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau.: Bathed in rays of great setting flamesimp3ratrix on February 11th, 2011 12:13 pm (UTC)
Loved Damon and Alaric's interactions, but the latter's apparent nonchalance at the prospect of some innocent individual losing their life still had me raise an eyebrow. I don't know, I figured Alaric was meant to be more morally righteous than that.

Tyler's back and forth over the last few episodes really annoyed me. I get where he's coming from, but that he can so easily trust a gang of which have no qualms torturing Caroline - the only person who stood by him, even after he forgave her for keeping Mason's death from him, simply frustrated me to no end. And the way he dropped Elena's name, knowing the kind of people they are and what they're capable of when pursuing their own ends, just had me face palm. Alas I still like his character, and I hope he figures himself out.

ELIJAH! Oh be still my beating heart! The man is such a bad ass!

(On an unrelated note, how awesome was last week's Big Bang Theory? The Sheldon/Penny interaction was one of the funniest scenes all season. Gosh, they need to get together now!)
Arabian: Elijah01arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:53 pm (UTC)
Loved Damon and Alaric's interactions, but the latter's apparent nonchalance at the prospect of some innocent individual losing their life still had me raise an eyebrow. I don't know, I figured Alaric was meant to be more morally righteous than that.

I think he may have been once upon a time, but like I said, having Damon as a BFF is totally morally bankrupting him, and because this is fictional and not real life, I find it hysterical.

Tyler's back and forth over the last few episodes really annoyed me. I get where he's coming from, but that he can so easily trust a gang of which have no qualms torturing Caroline - the only person who stood by him, even after he forgave her for keeping Mason's death from him, simply frustrated me to no end. And the way he dropped Elena's name, knowing the kind of people they are and what they're capable of when pursuing their own ends, just had me face palm. Alas I still like his character, and I hope he figures himself out.

Well, if he does, it will be off-screen. Since Michael Trevino is gone for the foreseeable future. I've never been a big Tyler fan, but I do think they've done a good job with his conflict, and I'm glad at least he left on such a grace note, you know?

ELIJAH! Oh be still my beating heart! The man is such a bad ass!

I know, right!?

(On an unrelated note, how awesome was last week's Big Bang Theory? The Sheldon/Penny interaction was one of the funniest scenes all season. Gosh, they need to get together now!)

They were great, but with the relative quiet of the S/P comm, I'm thinking that any chance of their big fanbase making the show consider them is pretty close to gone. They are so stupidly committed to this L/P idea and I wish it would stop. I love S/P, but I've accepted that they will never go there, fine. But L/P are just so ugh! and they continue to ruin otherwise great episodes. Fortunately, this one didn't have that bringing it down, which is great, because whenever it isn't, I'm pretty much loving this season so much.

Edited at 2011-02-12 03:53 pm (UTC)
Vickie: Ian - Dalaric BFFsarcasticcheese on February 11th, 2011 01:05 pm (UTC)
She isn't being selfish, or stupid or martyring herself

Yes she is. Regardless of whether or not she's looking at it logically, she's still martyring herself to save her friends and loved ones. Even if she's being brave and selfless, it's still martyring herself. The definition of martyr is "a person who suffers greatly or dies for a cause, belief, etc" and that's exactly what Elena is doing.

I think here is where MY issue with her doing this lies.

EVERYONE she loves is trying to save and protect her. EVERYONE. Basically what she's doing is saying "FUCK YOU" to them by trying to martyr herself. Also, she is the central character to this story. There is a reason beyond their love for her that they're trying to save her. She's the doppleganger. Stefan, Damon and Caroline really couldn't care less about breaking the curse. They don't want it broken because they already can walk in the sun. I really don't think they want all vampires to be able to walk in the sun, so part of why they're protecting her is because of who she is.

Elena trying to martyr herself to save her friends is noble, yes. But because of who she is, very, very, VERY stupid. I agree with Stefan. It's tragic.

For the most part, I agree with the rest of your thoughts. TEAM BADASS IS BACK! WOO HOO!

Uncle Daddy John is such a dick. David Anders does such a great job of playing a douche.

Is it wrong that I'm not all that sad Tyler is gone? Michael Trevino did do a great job with the character this season and I did feel for Tyler. I understood why he left, but I'm not left with an empty feeling with his character being gone.

I think I'm more sad that Brady is gone, but that's just cuz he was so pretty to look at. To quote Heathers (one of the greatest movies ever) "Dear God, why did you have to kill such hot snatch?"
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on February 11th, 2011 01:35 pm (UTC)
Elena trying to martyr herself to save her friends is noble, yes. But because of who she is, very, very, VERY stupid. I agree with Stefan. It's tragic.

Noble but tragic and stupid, yes. That's how I feel about it, too.
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eolivet on February 11th, 2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
I'm getting a little tired of people (okay, Damon, Stefan, even Rose, but implied from Bonnie and Jeremy, since they helped Damon lock Elena in her house) getting on her case for trying to protect the people she loves.

You know how I feel about Stefan, but I really liked how that scene was played/written. I felt Stefan's age there -- it was a continuation of the mentor/diplomat role from last week. There was nothing personal about his plea, IIRC -- just "What you are doing is wrong." I really liked the line of "I've already lived. 162 years" -- because I felt that in the speech. For once, I remembered Stefan is supposed to be a much older, wiser "person" and not some dippy, broody manchild. ;p

BUT this got my hackles up:

I could NOT believe that Stefan actually said when ELENA is ready to discuss those icky-vampire-things they don't talk about, they'll talk about it.

Because...WTF does that mean?! If he's thinking of turning Elena...grrrrr. Now that is a truly selfish thing to do. (IDK what else would require "discussion," but...that convo just filled me with rage. :x )

Still, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said this ep was "low-key." ITA about the lack of intensity with the "Elena has to die" reveal, and yeah, I barely batted an eye during Damon's torture scene. (although I did think of the whole "TVD is about family" thing when Luka said Klaus has his sister. :/ )

Also...your influence must be rubbing off because I now find Alaric/Jenna completely lacking in any kind of chemistry. Bring on Jenna/Elijah (or whoever!! :p ) Heck, there were more (adversarial) sparks in that brief scene with John (for both of them! :p )
Arabian: Damon & Elena(PR)02arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:33 pm (UTC)
You know how I feel about Stefan, but I really liked how that scene was played/written. I felt Stefan's age there -- it was a continuation of the mentor/diplomat role from last week. There was nothing personal about his plea, IIRC -- just "What you are doing is wrong." I really liked the line of "I've already lived. 162 years" -- because I felt that in the speech. For once, I remembered Stefan is supposed to be a much older, wiser "person" and not some dippy, broody manchild. ;p

It's interesting because crowandfog said above that what she liked about it was that Stefan was impersonal, unlike Damon from "The Sacrifice" where it was all about Elena-specific (in terms of shippiness, of course). It was well-written a scene, but I'm tired of Elena being treated like she has no right to a say in the matter. It's how they are all treating her decision and the *right* to make a decision that bugs. (I've edited my original post to reflect that.)

BUT this got my hackles up:

I could NOT believe that Stefan actually said when ELENA is ready to discuss those icky-vampire-things they don't talk about, they'll talk about it."

Because...WTF does that mean?! If he's thinking of turning Elena...grrrrr. Now that is a truly selfish thing to do. (IDK what else would require "discussion," but...that convo just filled me with rage. :x )


Hmm, that's not what pissed me off at all. Because I totally expect that when Damon and Elena are together, it will always be his contention that when she's a bit older, he's going to turn her. Because love is selfish and he wants to spend eternity with her, and because Elena loves him just as much, she'd be willing to turn because she wants to spend eternity with him. I know that Lexi and her boyfriend and that conversation in the Grille was about Stefan and Elena on the surface, but because of the connection between Lexi/boyfriend, "Bloodlines," Damon wanting it to be real and that conversation in "Fool Me Once" about the roadtrip, I've always believed that Lexi/boyfriend equation was foreshadowing for Damon and Elena. And, as the boyfriend said, if you want to spend forever with someone, you have to live forever. So Damon wanting to turn Elena, and Elena wanting to be turned to be with him wouldn't bother me at all. In fact, I'd find it OOC of Damon if that wasn't the expectation.

On the other hand, if that conversation came up between Stefan and Elena, I've never thought that he would be willing to turn her (that would be wrong!), and I imagine that Elena wouldn't want to be turned ... not to be with Stefan, at least, because, really, they just have this high-school love, in my opinion, not the real thing. Whereas, I think that when Damon/Elena get together, it WILL be real ... and they will both want forever.

What pissed me off is like what I said, he's always the one dodging and stuff, while Elena pushes.

Still, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said this ep was "low-key." ITA about the lack of intensity with the "Elena has to die" reveal, and yeah, I barely batted an eye during Damon's torture scene. (although I did think of the whole "TVD is about family" thing when Luka said Klaus has his sister. :/ )

Yup. Indeed.

Also...your influence must be rubbing off because I now find Alaric/Jenna completely lacking in any kind of chemistry. Bring on Jenna/Elijah (or whoever!! :p ) Heck, there were more (adversarial) sparks in that brief scene with John (for both of them! :p )

It's not me, it's them. It's really them. Yeah, Sara Canning and David Anders have always had some sparks; I'm really looking forward to next week to see if she and Daniel Gillies do too. That would be AWESOME!

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lacrimadraconis: TVD Stefan vamp facelacrimadraconis on February 11th, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, basically what you said :D

Good catch with the song lyrics again, I usually only realize that when I watch for the second time. They were very prominently placed and very audible too in this scene. Judging from former episodes, I'm inclined to say there is a little foreshadowing involved.
I don't think our show would screw up with such a scene when they've used music and song lyrics to emphasize certain things before. I'll only say All I Need and I was wrong in those very special Damon/Elena scenes ♥

So yeah, I'm on board of the foreshadowing train and by now I'm pretty much convinced that Stefan and Elena are doomed as a couple.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, basically what you said :D

Yup, that's what I thought reading your post. Hee!

Good catch with the song lyrics again, I usually only realize that when I watch for the second time. They were very prominently placed and very audible too in this scene. Judging from former episodes, I'm inclined to say there is a little foreshadowing involved.

I certainly hope so because, show, I am so beyond over Stefan/Elena at this point. I am done. I can deal with them still together, but we need to start seeing some signs of dissolution ... like YESTERDAY!

I don't think our show would screw up with such a scene when they've used music and song lyrics to emphasize certain things before. I'll only say All I Need and I was wrong in those very special Damon/Elena scenes ♥

So yeah, I'm on board of the foreshadowing train and by now I'm pretty much convinced that Stefan and Elena are doomed as a couple.


Well, I've been convinced they were doomed as a couple for a while, I'm just frustrated that we've not be seeing that start to play out yet. It needs to start happening, darn't!


Edited at 2011-02-12 03:23 pm (UTC)
tams71tams71 on February 11th, 2011 08:05 pm (UTC)
While last's night's ep was good, like you said it was low key and for me, lacked a sense of "real" drama. Yes, we had Stefan and Elena mosey into a conversation about their future, but let's face it, the conversation was severely lacking. Stefan basically told Elena that when SHE wants to discuss it, they will and then we had Elena, who brought up the subject in the first place, basically shutting the conversation down with her "let's just enjoy this time together" statement. I'm no Stefan and Elena fan, but if that wasn't the best time to discuss their future together than I don't know when it will be. That and Stefan's reaction to Elena's admission that she knew she was not included under Elijah's protection proves to me that the relationship is beginning its downward spiral.

She's being brave and awesome and selfless. She's choosing to save the multiple lives of those she loves if the cost is just her own life in return. She isn't being selfish, or stupid or martyring herself. She's logically looking at all of the pieces in play and making the hard decision that will save the most people important to her.

I agree with you to a point. I think Elena is being brave and selfless in accepting her fate and being willing to sacrifice herself for the people she loves, but on the other hand I also think that she has given up in a way because she is resigned to her fate and is not willing to accept that there may be a way to save herself and the people she loves. Yes she is making the hard decision that will save the people that are important to her, but she isn't taking into account what their lives will be like if she dies. Talk about massive survivor guilt.

Other thoughts:

Damon mocking the traditional BF/GF by kissing Andie goodbye and saying "have a good day honey" and showing up to support his woman at the tea (disguising his REAL reason for being there) was hilarious.

Damon and Alaric's bromance bonding moments were by far the best parts of the episode for me. That moment when Damon opened his eyes after being sucker vervained by that geeky werewolf boy and his eyes panned from seeing Alaric dead on the floor to his "special" ring...loved it! He was checking on his boy to make sure he was still with him.

Elijah - OMG the man has got it going on. Polite and refined one minute and the next he's sticking pencils in necks and ripping out hearts. BAZINGA! I love him, but the fact that he still intends to do away with Elena and Damon when he gets what he needs ticks me off. I still think that his agenda will change and that when the time comes, he'll do something that will shock the ish out of us all.

Brady gone...YAY! Although I'll miss Stephen Amell. He was hot.

Elena falling out of the bed on to the floor...priceless.

Jeremy/Bonnie kiss - It felt so awkward. I was vibing them, but now will have to rethink it. That kiss had no chemistry for me.

The big reveal about Elijah's true plan for Elena. Um yeah, talk about anti-climactic. I pretty much thought that whole scene was unnecessary except for Caroline getting Bonnie to admit that she likes Jeremy.

Damon's torture scene was eh. I loved that he found the irony in the situation and said it out loud, but seeing him tortured didn't really affect me like Caroline's torture last week did. I guess because (1) it's Damon and Damon always gets out of jams and (2) I knew that nothing would come of it except werewolf deaths and some badassery. I did however like that it was Elijah who saved the day. Call me crazy, but I think Elijah coming to Damon's aid has something more behind it than protecting him so he can in turn protect Elena. Hmmmmm.

Tyler leaving caught me off-guard, but I think it's for the best. He can't handle what's going on with him, therefore he can't handle what's going on in Mystic Falls or help the situation, so him leaving to get control and learning to live with the curse is the best thing for now. I'm sure that Tyler and Trevino will be back. He really is an asset to the show. I didn't like that Jules survived Elijah's badassery and that Tyler left with her, but at least she's out of the picture.

Overall a good episode. Looking forward to next week. So glad that I can say that :)
Arabian: Damon05arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
While last's night's ep was good, like you said it was low key and for me, lacked a sense of "real" drama.

Yup. There was no urgency, no sitting on the edge of your seat, which was weird because the writing was there. It was the direction and pacing that just didn't capture it. Show, please don't use this guy again. He's just not a good fit for The Vampire Diaries and their high-adrenaline brand of storytelling.

Yes, we had Stefan and Elena mosey into a conversation about their future, but let's face it, the conversation was severely lacking. I'm no Stefan and Elena fan, but if that wasn't the best time to discuss their future together than I don't know when it will be. That and Stefan's reaction to Elena's admission that she knew she was not included under Elijah's protection proves to me that the relationship is beginning its downward spiral.

God, I hope you're right.

I agree with you to a point. I think Elena is being brave and selfless in accepting her fate and being willing to sacrifice herself for the people she loves, but on the other hand I also think that she has given up in a way because she is resigned to her fate

I realized that I hadn't hit what was bugging me about it, but I've edited my original post to reflect what it is. I'm bothered by how they are treating her right to make a decision. Confront her with logic, fine, but that's not what's being done. And certainly not what Stefan did tonight.

Damon mocking the traditional BF/GF by kissing Andie goodbye and saying "have a good day honey" and showing up to support his woman at the tea (disguising his REAL reason for being there) was hilarious.

I'm actually jumping ahead to the preview clip of next week's episode, and what I found hilarious in this episode, I'm becoming quite leery of, pretty squicky actually. It's like Damon is treating her like she's a robot created just for him to play house with. It's really disturbing. Cree-peee!

Damon and Alaric's bromance bonding moments were by far the best parts of the episode for me.

YUP!

That moment when Damon opened his eyes after being sucker vervained by that geeky werewolf boy and his eyes panned from seeing Alaric dead on the floor to his "special" ring...loved it! He was checking on his boy to make sure he was still with him.

I know! AWWW! He loves him! &hearts

Elijah - OMG the man has got it going on. Polite and refined one minute and the next he's sticking pencils in necks and ripping out hearts. BAZINGA! I love him, but the fact that he still intends to do away with Elena and Damon when he gets what he needs ticks me off. I still think that his agenda will change and that when the time comes, he'll do something that will shock the ish out of us all.

He better because I don't want him to leave with this season. :(

Elena falling out of the bed on to the floor...priceless.

I giggled.

Jeremy/Bonnie kiss - It felt so awkward. I was vibing them, but now will have to rethink it. That kiss had no chemistry for me.

You described my reaction perfectly.

I did however like that it was Elijah who saved the day. Call me crazy, but I think Elijah coming to Damon's aid has something more behind it than protecting him so he can in turn protect Elena. Hmmmmm.

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if you're right.

Tyler leaving caught me off-guard, but I think it's for the best. He can't handle what's going on with him, therefore he can't handle what's going on in Mystic Falls or help the situation, so him leaving to get control and learning to live with the curse is the best thing for now. I'm sure that Tyler and Trevino will be back. He really is an asset to the show. I didn't like that Jules survived Elijah's badassery and that Tyler left with her, but at least she's out of the picture.

Yes, exactly, and knowing that he IS going for the foreseeable future really gives his leaving much more resonance. I wonder how I'll react to these scenes upon rewatch knowing that.

Edited at 2011-02-12 03:49 pm (UTC)
obstinate, headstrong girl!: TV » TVD » Damonzombie_boogie on February 11th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
Oh god, I was so happy that Damon and Alaric's epic bromance finally made a reappearance. I've missed it so.

Elena's badassery was so awesome! It was also realistic badassery in terms of her capabilities, which I liked. I haven't entirely been on Elena's side through this whole sacrifice dealio, mostly because I have this really inate self-preservation instinct myself so I find it hard to get inside her headspace. The way you put her motivations, though, made me understand a bit better where she's coming from. I do like that she's not being self-righteous about her decision.

This might be my insane head canon, but I thought Damon totally looked turned on by Elijah's heart-rippage. If I wore slash goggles more frequently I would have been totally shipping them.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on February 12th, 2011 03:20 pm (UTC)
Oh god, I was so happy that Damon and Alaric's epic bromance finally made a reappearance. I've missed it so.

So very much this! And it was SOOOO awesome. I loved it! SQUEE!

Elena's badassery was so awesome! It was also realistic badassery in terms of her capabilities, which I liked. I haven't entirely been on Elena's side through this whole sacrifice dealio, mostly because I have this really inate self-preservation instinct myself so I find it hard to get inside her headspace. The way you put her motivations, though, made me understand a bit better where she's coming from. I do like that she's not being self-righteous about her decision.

Yup. I love how she's approaching this and not being all moralistic and what-not about it. She's just being awesome Elena. Yayers!

This might be my insane head canon, but I thought Damon totally looked turned on by Elijah's heart-rippage. If I wore slash goggles more frequently I would have been totally shipping them.

Oh, yeah, totally. If Damon hadn't found out at the end that Elijah plans on icing Elena, he'd be all daydreaming about Elijah, LOL!
Heather-Annlinsell_farm on February 13th, 2011 12:35 am (UTC)
And then, awww!, the two of them just sitting around, knocking back a few drinks together, talking about their girlfriends -- Alaric imploring Damon to just not kill his, and lamenting about his non-stop fibbing to his own lady love, discussing the awesome of Elijah's hair, just, you know, two buddies hanging out. I. LOVED. IT. And going back, hah!

THIS. So good to see them having quality time together.

YOU GO, ELENA WITH YOUR BAD-ASS SELF! YOU GO, GIRL!!!

THIS.

...we needed A LOT more in this moment

Good observation. Their reaction did not fit the magnitude of the information being passed along.

Because you've tried to be so open and forthcoming, and she's just shut you down at every turn. Uh huh. Riiiiiight.

SO MUCH THIS. Unbelievable that he would say the her, when she's ready!!!

John is such a dick; he really is. I loved, loved, loved how Alaric just let all of his comments roll off his back. He was so unaffected by John's posturing that he didn't even mention it to his buddy, Damon, during their fireside chat.

Exactly!!! Yeah for Alaric.

And one more ETA thanks to butterfly and a different post by her - I knew that one of the kisses between Stefan and Elena was Paul's stunt double because he couldn't pick Nina up because of his broken ankle. Well, it was clearly the kiss after he comes in the house and lifts her up, and that was so the hottest kiss I've ever seen between Stefan and Elena. Yeah. But I didn't even register while watching it, duh, not Paul. LOL! Nina and Paul just don't have sexy chemistry.

Interesting!!! Now I'll have to go read butterfly's post and re-watch that scene. ITA that Nina and Paul just do not have sexy chemistry.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)03arabian on February 14th, 2011 07:29 pm (UTC)
Having Damon and Alaric with such great bonding time was AWESOME!!

Their reaction did not fit the magnitude of the information being passed along.

Yup. Exactly. Viewers expected it, but the characters wouldn't have, and to have such a low-key reaction was just, well, lame.

Yeah, check out that scene, totally obvious (because of the chemistry) that it's not Paul there, LOL!
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redbrunja: tvd | deceiveredbrunja on February 17th, 2011 09:39 pm (UTC)
I also REALLY, REALLY LOVED Elena's continued bad-assery! Grabbing the knife before stepping outside, stabbing Brady, running away from her attacker, taking his taunt ("I can smell you") and using it to her advantage (pulling her shirt off as a decoy), fake-shutting the door, burying another weapon in his back. YOU GO, ELENA WITH YOUR BAD-ASS SELF! YOU GO, GIRL!!! Oh, and screw you, Stefan. I'm getting a little tired of people (okay, Damon, Stefan, even Rose, but implied from Bonnie and Jeremy, since they helped Damon lock Elena in her house) getting on her case for trying to protect the people she loves. She's being brave and awesome and selfless. She's choosing to save the multiple lives of those she loves if the cost is just her own life in return. She isn't being selfish, or stupid or martyring herself. She's logically looking at all of the pieces in play and making the hard decision that will save the most people important to her. That makes her awesome, Stefan. So shut up. (And shut up to Damon to for pulling that shit on her as well in the past.)

I completely agree. Although you have a very valid point about people not trying to get Elena to look at the larger picture, I'm kind of on Team Elena with this argument. Stefan, sweetie, she's dead on when she says that there isn't really a difference between her dying for him and him dying for her.
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 06:08 am (UTC)
Stefan is the only person in the world moronic enough to be making out with a girl, especially one s beautiful as Nina freaking Dobrev, and stop because he finds a hollow wall.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:33 pm (UTC)
Or maybe it was just another sign from the writers that things weren't exactly working with those two......