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27 January 2011 @ 10:32 pm
2.12 - 'The Descent' (The Vampire Diaries)  
First it must be said ... WHEEEEEE!!!! New Vampire Diaries episode. WHEEEEE!!!!!

I wasn't disappointed. I wasn't blown away, but considering how disappointed I was with "By the Light of the Moon," and the five weeks of stewing over said disappointment, the fact that I wasn't disappointed with "The Descent" is a pretty durn good sign.

Oh, yeah, and then there was one scene that completely blew me away. And that was the final scene with Damon. Oh my God. Just. WOW! That is easily the best acting I've ever seen from Ian Somerhalder. It was just amazing. And the writing was so fantastic, so many killer lines (adopt a puppy, you are my existential crisis, a man can take only so much pain), the actress playing Jessica did a fantastic job with such a small role. But, man, oh, man, Ian was just phenomenal. Damon was just breaking my heart over and over. When he said that his big secret is that he misses being a human, and then you go back to the earlier lines where he talked about why he hasn't said it, because it won't change anything. I just, gah! My heart just broke for him, and Ian's delivery ... man. I was near tears. SO DAMN GOOD! Just amazing, amazing, amazing.

And that one line in the midst of it about not being able to be what SHE wants him to be erased my big fear that Damon's existential crisis would not clearly be about the whole gamut of it which is symbolized by Elena, her continued faith/belief in him. That one line, that one emphasized word made it crystal clear exactly what had brought this all on, everything building to this. Not so much Rose dying (or rather Damon staking her), but that everyone knew that he was upset about it, kept pushing him, it was all about that humanity showing. Gah, this scene was just so well done, so heartbreaking. And, of course, he killed her. Of course he did. Had he not, it would have played false with the character. He's not there yet, he's not ready, but lordy, the fact that it was so hard for him, and was so very much about proving his non-humanness is a huge sign of growth. He IS getting there. But still, oh Damon! I mean, damn, watch it again ... it's A-MAZ-ING!

     

Okay, I'm just going for quick thoughts for the rest because while the whole episode was quite good, that was really the only scene that was OHMYGOD!AWESOME!

- So, yeah, Damon's bedroom. I expected it to be darker, but it was nice and big. What we saw of the bathroom was lovely. Alas, nothing really significant with Elena being there. She was with Rose, putting Rose in Damon's bed. Ah well. I hoped, but really wasn't expecting we'd get that boon. *sigh*

- Still, HEE! Damon is reading Gone with the Wind. Woo to the hoo! (See my journal title and default icon.)

- They cut the "it's okay to love them both" line. On one hand, I'm pissed because they used the dang thing in the preview and we've all been wondering what Elena's reaction would be. On the other hand, I'm glad because as I said when it first aired, Elena is nowhere near that point with Damon. Too soon. So, I'm okay with the cut.

- Jules was great in her scene with Damon ("bite me!"), but in her other scenes she was as meh as she was in the last episode. Ah well. Subpar casting is not fun.

- Speaking of subpar casting, I know I've ragged on Lauren Cohan as Rose in the past, and I still stand by that, but I will definitely concede that she did some fine work tonight. Other than the first lines of dementia which were flat-out delivered badly, she did an excellent job. The despair and grief over her guilt and the pain wracking her body, the peace and joy she displayed in the dream state were all handled beautifully. Alas, it didn't really matter because I still just didn't care whether she lived or died.

And I really wish that I did; I do wish that I had loved Rose because even not caring two diddly-squats for her, I was still moved by the dream state Damon created. Had I actually cared about her character, that scene probably would have brought me to tears. Especially when the joy emanated from her as she began her countdown to the race which then became Damon's countdown to staking her. But I didn't care enough about her. Everything that moved me, effected me in the Rose scenes was because of Elena's actions and reactions, and Damon's actions and reactions. On one hand, yes, they are the lead characters and that's how it should be, but on the other hand, I should have cared about Rose as well. When Grams died, I felt horrible for Bonnie and by extension Elena's grief for her, but I also was saddened at the thought of losing Grams because I had grown to love her. It magnified my emotions. In Rose's case, I simply didn't care whether she lived or died, just that Damon and Elena cared.

- You know who also clearly didn't care? Stefan. Wow! Did he ever show that if you're not important to him (ie, Elena, Damon, and maybe Caroline now), he really doesn't give a rat's ass about you. Like at all. Of course, Stefan was rather an asshole overall in this episode. Despite the cutesy opening stuff with Elena, he was a tad combative with her (over the sacrifice) in a way that he never has been before really. Then his opening salvo to Alaric was "doing his dirty work for him?" regarding Alaric calling Damon. Ric looked like he wanted to bitchslap Stefan for that comment. I understood why; I wanted to bitchslap him myself. sarcasticcheese had a very interesting theory. Maybe this is the beginning of the signs we're getting about Stefan and drinking blood (even in drips and drops again). The asshole is coming out. Could be. I guess we'll get a better idea of that in the next episode or if it was just how these writers write Stefan. (But he wasn't an asshole in "Plan B," the other episode these two -- Sarah Fain and Elizabeth Craft -- wrote. So hmmm ....)

- I know I said above that Ian did an AMAZING job, and he did overall, especially that final scene (OH MY GOD!), but he is still overdoing the eye/eyebrow thing, but I'm cutting him slack for two reasons. First off, the only time he did it was when Damon was deflecting, pretending he didn't care. In other words, it isn't Ian being over-the-top, it's Ian *as* Damon being over-the-top deliberately. And secondly, this was apparently the last episode where Ian was sick with his lovely walking pneumonia and I still maintain that feeling as awful as he did, he was pushing through to give Damon his oomph! and oversold it a bit by trying to compensate for his illness. We'll see what happens in the next few episodes.

- One thing that did really bug was that Damon didn't rush straight home after Jules mentioned that Rose would be getting rabid. Sure the next time we saw Damon he was home, but it was light when he talked to Jules (the next scene was Elena blockading the room and it was sunny), and it was dark when he got home. I get the logistics and the storytelling were key in how this played out, but it was out of character. I can't buy that Damon wouldn't have rushed home to make sure that Elena was safe after hearing that a vampire on a werewolf bite will turn rabid. Shrugs. Oh well. That was really my only big issue with the episode, so I won't harp too much on it.

- Hmm, so Elena drank some of that vervain water first? So, she's not giving Stefan blood? Okay then. And speaking of the vervain water ... about damn time! Why the heck, Stefan, Damon *and* Caroline haven't all been doing this from the moment Katherine spilled that little secret to Stefan is beyond me. Fabulous idea. But at least we're seeing it happen now. Good job.

- No Jeremy? No Jeremy/Bonnie? Made me sad. Wait a second ... no Bonnie meant no Luka? Yay!

- Caroline is adorable. Period. I know the "everyone needs to stop kissing me" line was in the preview, but seeing it in context just made it that much more insanely adorable. I love her so much. And while I still think that Candice Accola and Paul Wesley have the best chemistry of anyone else we've seen her with, tonight definitely proved that as sweet as Caroline and Matt are, Candice and Michael Trevino definitely have more chemistry.

- I was all YOU GO, ELENA! when she so used her brains defending herself from Rose. Pulling the curtain open to get the sunlight in, digging into the wounds. Barring the door, opening the windows for the sun again, making herself a stake. AWESOME. I love Elena!

- Finally, finally ... the Damon/Elena scenes. I'm glad that I didn't let either Julie Plec or Ian Somerhalder's interviews get my hopes up because I really didn't think we'd get anything too major despite their words. Still, I did (mostly) like what we got. First of all, they are getting back to that back-and-forth camaraderie a bit again. That's cool. On the other hand, I was a tad disappointed at Elena's casual "you're my friend." I mean, prior to this episode, they were still skirting around her forgiveness/friendship for Damon. So something along the lines of, "Despite who you are, what you've done, I can't help it, you are my friend, Damon" would have done wonders to take away my one note of disappointment in theirs cenes. It was just a way too casual pronouncement of friendship for the guy who snapped her brother's neck and then she swore he'd lost her forever without any conversation (however brief) in between that flat-out spoke of some form of forgiveness. It was too skirted around in "The Sacrifice" to count for me.

Still, it was just one small thing. There were many other things that I loved. Like Damon giving Elena the stake when they were searching for Rose. Again, a small thing, but I loved what it symbolized ... in life or "death" stakes, he's giving Elena an edge over Rose. Elena hugging him, and him trying so hard to not break down when he was in her arms. The awfulness of Elena pushing him to feel, to be more human, not realizing (because he said it was Katherine who led him to go crazy that night in Elena's bedroom) that she is the catalyst, she is the trigger for him now. And he tried so hard, so very hard to not let her push him to that point. Telling her to go more than once with such a desperation that she chose to ignore until the damage was done.

Everything that happened in that final road scene was because Elena pushed him, held him and opened herself up to him. And right now, it's part of what makes these two so very tragic ... right now. In her desire to make him be the better person he can be, she doesn't realize that his response is to fight that and so he lashes out, he does bad things, he retaliates in the worst way he can. The good thing (hah! "good" thing) is that it's getting harder and harder for him to do that. First, he went cold and bitter and snapped Jeremy's neck, the pain and regret came afterward. Now, he was drunk and broken, devastated by the choice he felt he *had* to make to not be in pain anymore. Yes, he committed the act, but the pain and regret was with him the entire time, before, during and after. Next time -- because you so know there is going to be a next time -- I think he'll make the right call at last. He won't commit the unforgivable (or close to it) act.

Ah, my show is back! Yay! And if it wasn't one of their best episodes, it was a damn good one, and it certainly featured one of their best scenes ever. That final scene with Damon? Damn. Just phenomenal!
 
 
 
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Dancebutterfly on January 28th, 2011 04:37 am (UTC)
And that one line in the midst of it about not being able to be what SHE wants him to be erased my big fear that Damon's existential crisis would not clearly be about the whole gamut of it which is symbolized by Elena, her continued faith/belief in him. That one line, that one emphasized word made it crystal clear exactly what had brought this all on, everything building to this. Not so much Rose dying (or rather Damon staking her), but that everyone knew that he was upset about it, kept pushing him, it was all about that humanity showing. Gah, this scene was just so well done, so heartbreaking. And, of course, he killed her. Of course he did. Had he not, it would have played false with the character. He's not there yet, he's not ready, but lordy, the fact that it was so hard for him, and was so very much about proving his non-humanness is a huge sign of growth. He IS getting there. But still, oh Damon! I mean, damn, watch it again ... it's A-MAZ-ING!

That scene! That scene! It was painful and perfect. And, yes, that line. "I can't be what she wants me to be."

- They cut the "it's okay to love them both" line. On one hand, I'm pissed because they used the dang thing in the preview and we've all been wondering what Elena's reaction would be. On the other hand, I'm glad because as I said when it first aired, Elena is nowhere near that point with Damon. Too soon. So, I'm okay with the cut.

This seems to be a pattern for them! You showed me that preview for S1 that had the line that was cut from "Bloodlines" where Elena claimed to love Damon as part of the attempt to save his life. Too soon there, too.

You know who also clearly didn't care? Stefan. Wow! Did he ever show that if you're not important to him (ie, Elena, Damon, and maybe Caroline now), he really doesn't give a rat's ass about you.

It was almost funny how blatant Stefan's 'not giving a shit about anyone not named Elena (or Damon and now possibly Caroline)' attitude was, especially in comparison to Elena's empathy. It's funny, I seem to remember Stefan attempting to claim the role of Most Empathetic Person Ever.

Finally, finally ... the Damon/Elena scenes.

For me, it worked because I don't think Elena ever actively stopped hating him or actively tried to forgive him. She just... accepted that she'd already done those things. But if you read my brief S2 reviews as I was zipping along, I was giving her the side-eye about how much I believed her 'hate' as early as even 2x02.

When I go through the early S2 episodes, I'll try to outline why it felt emotionally believable to me for the steps to progress this way, with the almost unspoken understanding between them that Damon had been as good as forgiven.

Everything that happened in that final road scene was because Elena pushed him, held him and opened herself up to him. And right now, it's part of what makes these two so very tragic ... right now. In her desire to make him be the better person he can be, she doesn't realize that his response is to fight that and so he lashes out, he does bad things, he retaliates in the worst way he can. The good thing (hah! "good" thing) is that it's getting harder and harder for him to do that. First, he went cold and bitter and snapped Jeremy's neck, the pain and regret came afterward. Now, he was drunk and broken, devastated by the choice he felt he *had* to make to not be in pain anymore. Yes, he committed the act, but the pain and regret was with him the entire time, before, during and after. Next time -- because you so know there is going to be a next time -- I think he'll make the right call at last. He won't commit the unforgivable (or close to it) act.

Yes! He's getting there. Step by slow, painful step.

I agree that the episode had some weak logistical issues, for sure. But that last scene made a hell of an impression.

Edited at 2011-01-28 06:19 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on January 28th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
This seems to be a pattern for them! You showed me that preview for S1 that had the line that was cut from "Bloodlines" where Elena claimed to love Damon as part of the attempt to save his life. Too soon there, too.

Yup, I was thinking of that "Bloodlines" cut line too.

It was almost funny how blatant Stefan's 'not giving a shit about anyone not named Elena (or Damon and now possibly Caroline)' attitude was, especially in comparison to Elena's empathy. It's funny, I seem to remember Stefan attempting to claim the role of Most Empathetic Person Ever.

The tunnel-vision with Elena is in character to a bit, but not really to THIS degree, and that comment to Alaric about being Damon's lackey was just over the line. So I REALLY hope that sarcasticcheese is right and it's the beginning of the blood starting to affect him. Now, not being so serious, yeah, it is funny, hee! He was SO obvious.

For me, it worked because I don't think Elena ever actively stopped hating him or actively tried to forgive him.

I agree with that, but Elena had clearly convinced herself that she had and so the casualness of it just did not work for me. Like I said some line to Damon, or to Caroline, Jeremy, Alaric at some point where it was implicitly stated that she knows what he's capable but she can't help but caring. Or even if Alaric or Jeremy had pointed it out to her implicitly that despite it all, she still cares, I would have been fine. But it was just too casual for something that's been a very dominant thread in their relationship this season. :shrugs:

I agree that the episode had some weak logistical issues, for sure. But that last scene made a hell of an impression.

THIS! Gawd, that last scene slayed me dead!
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crowandfogcrowandfog on January 28th, 2011 04:42 am (UTC)
Alas, it didn't really matter because I still just didn't care whether she lived or died.

So true. During that dream sequence, I kept thinking, "Wow, this scene would really make me cry if I cared about her." The only emotional impact it had for me came from Damon's feelings about it.

You know who also clearly didn't care? Stefan. Wow!

No kidding. He was just awful this episode. I didn't like the dismissive way that he talked to Elena. His attitude with Alaric was totally uncalled for, and reminding Damon that the Grill was full of people was stupid, too. Surely he didn't actually think Damon would try to kill Jules right there, so he was just be unnecessarily rude. Not to mention his lack of concern that 1.) werewolf bites really are fatal to vamps 2.) his vamp friend is dying from said bite and 3.) the werewolf who bit said friend is sitting across the room like nothing happened. This the same guy who basically said caring about people is his super power. But I like the idea that this is the writers' way of introducing his human blood issues again.

No Jeremy? No Jeremy/Bonnie? Made me sad. Wait a second ... no Bonnie meant no Luka? Yay!

This made me laugh so hard I cackled and even flailed a little bit. You know how I feel about Luka. Jeremy was missed. Luka was not.

On the other hand, I was a tad disappointed at Elena's casual "you're my friend."

I'm glad you pointed that out, because it really disappointed me, too. Just as bad as her casual mention of friendship was Damon's response of "I'm aware of that." WHA????? Usually this show has characters talk through things, but they took something that has been an issue THE ENTIRE SEASON and just blew right past it! Fail, show. FAIL. It would have ruined the whole scene for me, but Damon saved it by trying not to break down in her arms. Also, at some point, I need Elena--no, wait--everyone to learn that pushing Damon to experience and discuss his feelings is the WRONG APPROACH. Other good titles for this episode would be "Return Again" or "History Keeps Repeating."

I'll end my long comment with just one word: LIZ!
Sarpaceisthetrick on January 28th, 2011 05:42 am (UTC)
Damon's response of "I'm aware of that." .... completely killed me.
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vamplover85vamplover85 on January 28th, 2011 05:41 am (UTC)
amazing review hon. I adore them!!! :D I was so excited for new episode of VD!!! I'm so happy to have it back!!!! I LOVED every minute of it. OMG. My favorite scene was the dream scene with Rose. I teared up during that scene, yeah Rose I didn't care for her but I felt what Damon felt and it was just heartbreaking for him to go through all of that. Amazing acting from Ian & Nina! And Lauren Cohan, She was awesome in this. And I agree with Stefan he's being an ass and didn't really care for anyone in this episode he didn't really care that Elena was with Damon and he did his own dirty work bringing John in.....that was cruel. But you have a theory about that the blood might be making him doing all of this again little by little it's becoming an effect and ha that was funny in the beginning when they were doing vervain water I was like why didn't they think about this before? But now I understand why they are doing it now. But it was amazing episode. :)
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on January 28th, 2011 06:41 pm (UTC)
Oh, I did think the dreamscape scene was good, but nothing touched that final scene. It was magnificent and Ian completely outdid himself like WHOAH!
Sarpaceisthetrick on January 28th, 2011 05:43 am (UTC)
"Still, HEE! Damon is reading Gone with the Wind. Woo to the hoo!"

I screamed. I'm such a fangirl for GWTW. I posted a TVD/GWTW comparison on my journal tonight. <3
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on January 28th, 2011 06:42 pm (UTC)
I saw that comparison, very cool. I just love that he was reading that, and badboy_fangirl made a great point about him reading a novel based on his time as a human. Oh, Damon.

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sweetiegrrl2346sweetiegrrl2346 on January 28th, 2011 12:11 pm (UTC)
I actually completely loved this episode. Maybe it was because I had lowered my expectations so much since BTLOTM, but it was so much more than I could have hoped for.


And hell must have frozen over, because they made me CRY OVER FRICKIN' ROSE! But unlike you, this episode actually got me to care a lot about her in retrospect, too. I'm glad, 'cause now I can watch the earlier episodes and not grit my teeth during her scenes.


I actually really loved the DE scenes. I go into more detail in my own thoughts post, but I saw the "friends" comments as a positive, like it shows how close Elena is with Damon that it's already understood she considers him her friend again, and he gets her so well that he didn't have to be told. I understand that it's not as rewarding since we, the viewers, didn't get to see it, but what can I say? I'm a Suzy Sunshine. ^_^


So you weren't happy that Elena got to be the first in Damon's bathroom? I swear, when she walked in there I thought, "Well, Jennifer did say she wanted Elena to be the first person we saw in there before bubblebath girl." LOL. And I was VERY happy to hear that Elena expected Damon's bed to have silk sheets. SHE'S THOUGHT ABOUT HIS BED, GUYS!!!


I've already watched the final scene waaaaay too many times. Ian Somerhalder is phenomenal. He's going to have a crazy amazing career after TVD. I watched this episode once with my mom, and after that scene she told me, "That is the best acting I've ever seen on television." I agree, Mom.
Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on January 28th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
I think that you liked the episode more because your expectations were lowered whereas I had re-raised mine. Which to me says that the episode was still pretty dang fabulous (just not OHYMGOD!AWESOME!, but then "The Return," "Masquerade," and "The Sacrifice" are the only ones this season I think get that) because I was expecting a great episode. They delivered.

As for Rose, well, I never disliked her as you did. I liked her, found her wimpiness amusing, just didn't quite get why Damon would give a fuck, but it did make sense when looking at all of their interaction. I just don't think that Cohan did a great job selling the character. But yeah, going from generally liking to her to being oh she died makes more sense than from someone who really didn't like her because it wasn't that big a leap for me. Does that make any sense? LOL!

Yeah, she was in Damon's bathroom, but I think I was already disappointed by Rose being in there, in Damon's bed, etc. But that is a good point that Elena thought about his room, thought about the sheets, hee!

That final scene? Man, really, just no words. Ian Somerhalder was FANTABULOUS. He completely blew me away.
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sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: TVD: Roadtrip!badboy_fangirl on January 28th, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC)
Everything that happened in that final road scene was because Elena pushed him, held him and opened herself up to him. And right now, it's part of what makes these two so very tragic ... right now.

I know, right? I love you for pointing this out. It just hurts my heart in the best way possible.

I really adored the full regressive act of going out and laying down in the middle of the road. There was something so futile about it--and the fact that he had such a long conversation with his prey before he did her in, because that would NEVER have happened pre-Elena.

He really just killed me from the dreamscape with Rose to the final feeding on that girl, my chest just ached. (still aches.)
sassy, classy, and a bit smart-assy: Allgoodbadboy_fangirl on January 28th, 2011 06:02 pm (UTC)
I forgot to mention the GWtW shout out--I really adore that as it's one of my all-time favorite books, as well as the fact that he's reading for pleasure about a time he LIVED IN. So telling, that little bit. In case we weren't getting the whole "Damon misses when he was human" bit. Genius.
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eolivet on January 28th, 2011 06:57 pm (UTC)
When Grams died, I felt horrible for Bonnie and by extension Elena's grief for her, but I also was saddened at the thought of losing Grams because I had grown to love her

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't think we were supposed to really like Rose. I mean...we barely "knew" her. She was a storytelling device for...four eps? IDK. Like you said, we only cared about her because Damon and Elena did, but I have to believe that was the writers' intent. We knew next to nothing about her until she was about to die, so they wanted us to think her circumstances were sad, but not her character...if that makes any sense. JMHO. :)

(Loved the last scene as well -- although, arrgh -- I would have LOVED the direction or however they edited it together to take the shot from Damon's front when he said "what SHE wants me to be" [rather than focused on the girl]. Oh well...small quibbles. ;)

I didn't love this ep, though -- had a real problem with the pacing. The end scene(s) almost made up for it. Almost. :)
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder01arabian on January 28th, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC)
I don't know, I do think we were supposed to like her. They named an episode after her, they ended their mid-season cliffhanger on the potential of her dying. You don't do that with a character you don't expect your audience to care about. And we did know stuff about her, her relationship with Trevor, her being in England, the fact that she was on the run for most of her undead life. There really wasn't else much to know. We knew about as much about Anna and Pearl. Rose just didn't click, and I really can't see that she wasn't supposed to. There's no way a whole episode would have been devoted to her dying -- even if it brought out (a) Damon's struggling humanity, and (b) Elena's lack of fight -- were she not supposed to matter to viewers.

I mean we saw WAY more of Rose than we did Pearl, and we've seen Elijah in almost as many episodes, but with less emphasis and most (all?) freaking adore him. So the number of episodes doesn't really matter, I don't think. I loved Lucy in her one outing. Most adored Lexi in her one episode. Rose just didn't work as a likable character unfortunately, and I do blame the actress. She's just really lacking in the charisma department.

I think the pacing goes back to we were supposed to love this character and seeing her journey to death. I did like Rose so for me it did work, the stages and all we saw her go through. Her getting through to Elena a bit, which was re-inforced by Damon. Damon's stages of dealing with it throughout the episode.

I'll talk more about the other aspects when I respond to your post (hopefully tonight, if not, sometime this weekend). Sorry the episode didn't do it for you, but damn, that last scene was amazing, wasn't it? As for that blocking, I never noticed that before and I see your point. I dunno maybe they wanted us to really focus on the words and not Ian's pretty face? I dunno.

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x5valex5vale on January 28th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC)
*waves*

I am here via nina_ian.

I think your review of the episode is very very well put.

I agree pretty much on everything, the only difference is that I cared about Rose. Maybe because she was in my other favorite show and I really enjoyed her in Supernatural. The dream scene was all kind of beautiful for me and poetic in a way, I loved what Damon did for her, how much caring he was.
The last scene? Just perfect and I don't have to add anything more since you said it perfectly.

Hope you don't mind I commented here.
Arabian: TVD-Cast01arabian on January 28th, 2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
I don't mind at all. :)

I did think the dreamscape scene was lovely, and I did like Rose, but I just didn't care about her. Having an affection for the actress already surely helped in your case.
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tams71tams71 on January 28th, 2011 08:01 pm (UTC)
THIS to all your comments about that final scene with Damon. My heart ached for him as he wrestled and struggled with his feelings of longing for his human life and the realization that confessing his secret and allowing himself to FEEL will not change the fact that his human life is over. Ian did a magnificent job of emoting every single feeling that Damon was experiencing with such commitment and devotion. Even more amazing was that the man was giving 120 percent while battling walking pneumonia. Crazy!

All my concerns about Damon's emotional breakdown/existential crisis stemming from Rose's death were put to rest when Damon said "I can't be what other people want me to be, what SHE wants me to be." As you mentioned, the pushing from other people; Rose telling Elena that when Damon starts to feel he runs away and Elena holding him in her arms and pushing him to let himself feel is what led to Damon breaking down in that moment. Everywhere he turned Damon was confronted with his emotions; anger/contempt for Jules, irritation with Stefan, sadness, loss, and guilt. He couldn't escape it.

Another scene where I was absolutely enthralled by Ian's performance was during the dream/staking Rose sequence of events. I loved that Damon knew he had to stake Rose and put her out of her misery, but instead of doing it when he and Elena found her at the school, he waited until the time was right and helped her get to a place of peace and calm. Great scene and although I was not a Rose fan, I thought that Lauren Cohan did a wonderful job and that she and Ian worked really well together. I actually cried during that scene, not because I was sad that Rose was going to die, but because Damon took the time and care to create a place where she felt happiness and made her death as peaceful as he possibly could. I found it odd that he knew exactly what kind of dream to create for her because of her conversation with Elena. I wonder if there was a scene between Damon and Elena where it was discussed and they cut it. I think that would have been a lovely scene.

- Damon's bedroom and bathroom. I like! I thought it would be darker, but I love that it was minimalist and classic. Damon is classic and doesn't need to surround himself with things. I loved that he had a stack of books by his bed, especially Gone with the Wind, seeing as how he longs for when he was human and that is the era in which he lived. I like to think that reading GWTW brings him back to that place and time and that he finds enjoyment and peace when he reads it. My only wish is that Damon's bed hadn't been used for Rose to convalesce in or her actual death. I know that Damon will be getting some heavy sexing in it, but it will also be associated with death, at least for me. YUCK!

- Jules. Do not like her or the actress who plays her. Her "Bite me" remark barely garnered a smirk from me. Her scene with Tyler was weird and made me question, if there are others like them and "they're on their way" where the hell are they then? Are they riding bicycles or walking to Mystic Falls? Go away!

- Stefan. Total dick to Damon. Condescending to Alaric. Bossy and a little bit deceptive to Elena. Not his finest hour.

- Loved the Caroline/Tyler stuff. Squee!

- Uncle John is back and Stefan brought him. Interesting. I would love to see a scene with Elena giving Stefan hell for going behind her back and bringing John back into her life, but alas that will never happen. God they make them so perfect and precious sometimes I want to throw up.

- Damon/Elena. Good scenes, but I felt there was something lacking or a bit off. Maybe it was as you mentioned, the casualness of Elena's "you're my friend" statement. I think that that it could have been written better instead of just being a blanket statement. I agree with you that the scene with Damon going off on Elena about the reality that he does feel and that it sucks and her holding him while he tried so desperately to keep from breaking down was outstanding. I felt myself trying to hold back tears just as Damon was in that moment.
Arabian: Damon01arabian on January 28th, 2011 11:12 pm (UTC)
Ian did a magnificent job of emoting every single feeling that Damon was experiencing with such commitment and devotion. Even more amazing was that the man was giving 120 percent while battling walking pneumonia. Crazy!

I know, I know, I know, it's insane, but he did SUCH an incredible job. He seems to work really, really well with Marcos Siega. He really does.

He couldn't escape it.

Exactly, and that's what led to what happened at the end. Oh, Damon.

I did love the dreamscape scene, but on reflection of the episode I still think that Damon cared too much for what we'd been shown on screen. I just still can't quite buy that he cared that much about Rose's passing. What led to the roadside kill, absolutely based on all we've talked about, but as pretty as the dream scene was, and the scene on the bed, it was a bit too much and not something I felt that the pairing of Damon and Rose had even remotely earned. Ah, I'm such a sourpuss, LOL!

Re: Damon's bedroom/bathroom, yup, I agree on all counts.

- Damon/Elena. Good scenes, but I felt there was something lacking or a bit off. Maybe it was as you mentioned, the casualness of Elena's "you're my friend" statement. I think that that it could have been written better instead of just being a blanket statement. I agree with you that the scene with Damon going off on Elena about the reality that he does feel and that it sucks and her holding him while he tried so desperately to keep from breaking down was outstanding. I felt myself trying to hold back tears just as Damon was in that moment.

Yup, this is pretty much how I felt. They were good, with moments of greatness, but nothing really to write home about. I mean, none of their scenes were really rewatch-OMG!worthy unless you're a die-hard D/E fan who is gonna rewatch just because.
lacrimadraconis: TVD Damon Elena huglacrimadraconis on January 29th, 2011 01:51 pm (UTC)
Damon broke my heart in that final scene. Ian did such a briliant job, his performance completely blew me away.
And of course I loved that in the end, it was all about Elena because she was and still is the trigger for his humanity. I also loved that the hug she gave Damon was all about him and not about Rose at all. They did a great job on this episode.

But man, was Stefan an asshole. I love him, but this episode something was really off. He bitched at Alaric, who is pretty much the coolest person around. Boo, Stefan!
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on January 30th, 2011 04:28 am (UTC)
Damon broke my heart in that final scene. Ian did such a briliant job, his performance completely blew me away.

Yes, yes, this, all of this!

I loved that in the end, it was all about Elena because she was and still is the trigger for his humanity. I also loved that the hug she gave Damon was all about him and not about Rose at all. They did a great job on this episode.

Broken record time, but yes, yes, this, all of this!

But man, was Stefan an asshole. I love him, but this episode something was really off. He bitched at Alaric, who is pretty much the coolest person around. Boo, Stefan!

I really do hope that sarcasticcheese was right, and that this is going to be the beginning hints of Stefan's ingesting human blood taking root.
Myramidnightblack07 on January 30th, 2011 05:26 am (UTC)
That one line, that one emphasized word made it crystal clear exactly what had brought this all on, everything building to this. Not so much Rose dying (or rather Damon staking her), but that everyone knew that he was upset about it, kept pushing him, it was all about that humanity showing.

ITA, that last scene was just brilliant, the entire thing was executed wonderfully and all the worry about Damon's actions/reactions being out of proportion over Rose and only Rose were laid to rest for me. This rupture has been in the making for Damon since as far back as 2x08 IMO (following the one he has in "The Return") because there just (from his perspective) doesn't seem to be any payoff in reintroducing his feelings; he doesn't want it, but at the very same time, a part of him does and it's all just too much too soon

I was all YOU GO, ELENA! when she so used her brains defending herself from Rose. Pulling the curtain open to get the sunlight in, digging into the wounds. Barring the door, opening the windows for the sun again, making herself a stake. AWESOME. I love Elena!

I LOVED those bits!! they scremed of 1x12 when she used pencils to defend herself against that vampire who was stalking her (I think his name was Noah). very resourceful and clever girl, I glow with pride =)

Arabian: Katherine04arabian on January 30th, 2011 03:19 pm (UTC)
Okay, I was going to copy/paste parts and respond but realized that my only response would be I TOTALLY AGREE! So to your whole post?

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERY WORD! :D
Laurelcorusca on October 31st, 2011 03:33 am (UTC)
I'm officially annoyed that I like this show so much. I mean, it's no Rose-era-Who or anything, but...this is the episode I just finished and I immediately hit the next button.

I don't have time to get this into a show right now, curse both you and Netflix Instant Watch!
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:59 pm (UTC)
I wonder... did you continue watching the show? It's finished its run now. The series finale ended a month or so ago. :)
(no subject) - corusca on May 28th, 2017 11:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 05:12 am (UTC)
I've seen a lot of people in other places not liking that ending scene but I've always loved, it's nice to know I'm not alone.
Arabian: Damon06arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:58 pm (UTC)
How anyone can not love the brilliance of that scene is beyond me. That is one of the absolute best scenes this show has ever produced. (And I still think it's Ian Somerhalder's best acting on this series.)
Sajen FreybergSajen Freyberg on May 13th, 2017 05:15 am (UTC)
Stefan's always an asshole when he's on his moronic animal diet, the only time he's not is when he's a ripper, ironically enough.
Arabian: Stefan06arabian on May 14th, 2017 04:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, as you won't be surprised to read... I disagree that he's always such. (Although, he was a jerk in this episode.)