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12 January 2011 @ 08:42 pm
30 Day Love-Meme, Day 23  
Day 23 - A crazy love triangle/quadrilateral that worked out great?

Cruz/Eden/Robert (A Martinez, Marcy Walker, Roscoe Born), Santa Barbara

My pre-cut comment is because I HATE triangles with a passion. Loathe them so completely because you can never really make fans of either side happy, and a fanbase will always be miserable in the end. However, there was this ONE triangle that worked for me. See, Cruz and Eden were THE couple. Not just a big, popular soap couple, but literally one of THE most popular supercouples of all time, and literally in the top three supercouples of the 80's (Luke/Laura and Patch/Kayla were the other two). And part of why they were so popular is because they were so clearly IT for each other. This was not a couple where you could do an infidelity story, a misunderstanding of another relationship that led to infideltiy. This was a relationship based on love, trust, honesty, commitment, blah, blah, blah, hands down, no question. None.

So, when Roscoe Born's Robert Barr entered the picture and there was clearly some unknown history there, an incredibly exciting thing happened. Marcy Walker, who had fantastic chemistry with Martinez (not my bag, personally, but I got why they were so loved) wound up having drop-dead OMG! chemistry with Born as well. And the writers crafted this brilliant story of Robert going to prison for ten years to cover a murder Eden had committed -- but one she didn't remember because she got amnesia after the events of her summer with Robert, which she also had forgotten. (Yeah, yeah, amnesia, it IS a soap, after all.) So viewers were treated to flashbacks of these two falling in love -- without it tainting Cruz and Eden's love -- and as Eden remembered and spent more time with Robert, she began to remember those feelings too.

However, and this is why this triangle worked for me. As much as I ADORED Robert and Eden, I never for one single solitary second believed that they would have a happy ending (unless either Marcy Walker left the show at the same time Born did, or Martinez left, which, contract-wise, was not going to happen at that point). I always knew from moment one that it would end with Cruz and Eden, so I was never disappointed or bummed that I wasn't getting my couple ... because I knew it would never happen. Instead, I was just able to enjoy what we did get. As for the Cruz/Eden fans, while there was a little upset that Eden started to soften towards Robert, her love for Cruz, her feelings of great confusion, the mixture of relieving the summer feelings from ten years ago with today were so melded that they could be very safe in their knowledge that Eden would never cross the line (and she didn't, she never slept with Robert) and she and Cruz would come out of it stronger than ever.

And that's exactly what happened. That is why this is the one triangle that I believed worked, and it's widely considered to be the second (or first -- it goes back and forth between this one and Jax/Brenda/Sonny on General Hospital) triangle ever on daytime. Yeah, with all the triangles on daytime, that should tell you just how dang awesome it was!

Past Days ...

Day 01 - What is your current favorite ship?
Day 02 - What was your very first ship?
Day 03 - A pairing that needs to happen now?
Day 04 - The pairing with the most chemistry?
Day 05 - The pairing with the least chemistry?
Day 06 - Best kiss?
Day 07 - The most heartbreaking scene?
Day 08 - The pairing with the most baggage?
Day 09 - The most believable relationship?
Day 10 - The least believable relationship?
Day 11 - Your dream pairing?
Day 12 - Who had the best wedding?
Day 13 - Your favorite television pairing?
Day 14 - What is your favorite book pairing?
Day 15 - What is your favorite real life pairing?
Day 16 - What is the absolute worst pairing?
Day 17 - A pairing you thought would never work out, but did?
Day 18 - What is the cutest pairing?
Day 19 - A pairing you’ve rooted for since the beginning?
Day 20 - The 'can't stand the sexual tension anymore' pairing?
Day 21 - A pairing you like and no one else understands why?
Day 22 - A pairing you hate and no one else understands why?
irlandesakirlandesak on January 13th, 2011 04:10 am (UTC)
Interesting choice. It's a pretty good one. I know there is some debate about this triangle. Some feel there was story left on the table for Eden and Robert and they see the triangle as cut short. That might be a "knock" against it. Then you have the the Cruz and Eden fans who hated Robert with the kind of hate only a true, strong rival could inspire which allegedly is one of the reasons the triangle ended when it did. But like you said, there was no ultimate betrayal for all their months of "pain."

I really liked Cruz and Eden. I didn't really see them from the beginning but I loved their chemistry and they had really strong elements as a couple. But I also loved the Robert and Eden story. I didn't want them together but the chemistry and story was very strong once I got past the amnesia aspect.

In general, I don't always hate triangles. I can think of a few that truly strong sides to them. The problem with triangles is that they're rarely written with balance and shows don't know how to cut the chord. There is tons of the back and forth flip flopping/ping ponging and crazy destruction shows do to the couples and characters. They also push things way too far. With R/E/C and ending things too soon in some people's minds was that Eden and the couple ultimately remained untarnished by it. And Robert was brilliantly developed as a somewhat tragic figure who lost big time in love. It was hard not to fall in love with him after that even if you were a C/E fan. It's too bad MW left when she did because there really was story left on the table. Robert and Kelly were together and although I loved them, there was always this element of whether or not part of the reason he was drawn to her was because of her sister. I don't think she knew for sure. I don't think he knew for sure.

In some ways, approximately the first nine months of the J/B/S triangle was probably the best triangle. There was no need to suspend disbelief because we saw how messed up S&B were. It was wonderful to see her smiling with Jax. And clink/boom has to be one of the most awesome twists on soaps even though I thought Lily was the perfect wife for Sonny. It's rare for something to happen in a triangle to make everyone cheer but this did. Sonny was being set "free" while Brenda and Jax were getting a happy ending. But then they brought in Miranda, screwed around quite a bit and ended the triangle in one of the laziest and least organic ways. Brenda cheated, Jax found out and there was so little fallout.

But then, the triangle didn't end there, did it? No, that show continues to milk it at the expense of the characters, mostly Jax, fifteen years later. It's why I work hard to avoid reading anything about that show.

Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on January 14th, 2011 01:12 am (UTC)
Yeah, triangles just suck period.

Ah, see I didn't question Kelly and Robert, I thought they did a great job building that. I was infuriated when they made Kelly be in love with Quinn and not Robert, though. UGH! HATED THAT!

Don't even get me started on GH right now. I'm still watching it, but I basically only watch a good portion of Jax's scenes (all with Brenda, they're still so good), some of Lucky's scenes and all of Johnny's. The rest I just fast-forward.
summerofsoapssummerofsoaps on January 13th, 2011 05:44 am (UTC)
Wow, young Roscoe Born was kind of hot!
Arabian: Damon04arabian on January 14th, 2011 01:12 am (UTC)
Young Roscoe Born was frickin' sex on a stick. The guy was insanely charismatic, gorgeous, hot, OMG!!!!
summerofsoaps: blair w/ gunsummerofsoaps on January 14th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
See, I've only ever seen him as creepy Mitch on One Life to Live and Terrible Tom on the Young and the Restless, so it was a shock!
Arabian: Penny - 05 OMGarabian on January 15th, 2011 12:37 am (UTC)
I've watched him since his first appearance on One Life to Live (he was hot back then too). But yeah, prior to his return to soaps that you saw, Born was pretty much known as the go-to OMG!drop-dead gorgeous bad guy whose milkshake brought all the ladies to the yard. (OMG! I just actually typed that!)
summerofsoaps: damon dancingsummerofsoaps on January 15th, 2011 04:41 am (UTC)
Let's just say it's a good thing I was not drinking a milkshake when I read that, cuz it would have sprayed all over as I just about died laughing. I think that phrase totally needs a come back!
Arabian: Rose_smilearabian on January 15th, 2011 04:01 pm (UTC)
Heh! Still can't believe I typed that, but glad it gave you a laugh. Hee!
eolivet on January 14th, 2011 02:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, interesting -- I came in on SB in about...1991, so I missed Eden completely (when I started watching, Cruz was with [recast!] Kelly Capwell!) But I had a friend who was a big-time 'shipper for Cruz/Eden -- sadly, there was no YouTube back then, so I just had to take her word for it. I always liked Cruz -- even "followed" A Martinez to "L.A. Law" after SB went off the air. ;p

But that sounds like a great triangle, actually. As I said in my previous post, I'm not opposed to them -- when it's two distinct choices that would both make sense in different scenarios (heck, my favorite 'ship forever and ever and ever is part of a triangle: "Miss Saigon!" :p ) Cruz/Eden/Robert sounds like it fulfills that portion of making a "good" triangle.

(I think it's always why I've enjoyed adultery triangles so much -- because there's always the [legal] compelling reason to stay with the spouse, but then there's the love interest...always makes for some amazing, angsty TV [when done well] :)
Arabianarabian on January 15th, 2011 12:38 am (UTC)
A Martinez is fantastic. Even me not being into Cruz/Eden and being into Robert/Eden, I loved Cruz.

But that sounds like a great triangle, actually. As I said in my previous post, I'm not opposed to them -- when it's two distinct choices that would both make sense in different scenarios (heck, my favorite 'ship forever and ever and ever is part of a triangle: "Miss Saigon!" :p ) Cruz/Eden/Robert sounds like it fulfills that portion of making a "good" triangle.,/i>