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11 May 2005 @ 03:14 am
ESSAY: Why EXACTLY Is It Totally Logan at the Door? (SPOILERS)  

Let's begin with the HUGE sign as to why it is not Wallace or Weevil or anyone else but (possibly) Duncan and (totally) Logan at the door. We were told that the episode would have a love life cliffhanger -- at this point, ONLY Duncan and Logan would fit that scenario, so by that right, it HAS to be one of those two. Eliminating everyone else.

And Duncan doesn't fit. His dad was arrested; his mother no doubt needs him. If he really needed to see Veronica/talk to Veronica, he would have done so at the crime scene, or gone to the hospital or gotten there a lot earlier. At the point when she opened that door, he'd be dealing with the fall-out from Jake's covering up the murder. Police, press, Celeste, etc. Okay, so you ask: Why wouldn't Logan be dealing with the fall-out of Aaron committing the murder? Simple. Duncan loves his dad and is going to want to be there for him. Logan? His dad? Love? Not so much. Especially not now.

1. His dad was sleeping with a very recent ex.
2. His dad killed said very recent ex.
3. His dad covered up murder of said very recent ex.
4. His dad let him be arrested and sit under questioning instead of confessing.
5. His dad attempted to kill his most recent very recent ex.

Add to that, dad was (in his eyes) responsible for mom's death. Oh and then there's the little fact that dad beats him.

Again, Logan ain't gonna wanna be there for Aaron. While Duncan would want to be there for Jake. Which brings us back to Duncan. Aside from the logistics, again, love cliffhanger, and his and Veronica's scenes just didn't contain any romantic vibe. There were two line readings (gotta give props to Kristen) in the scene after the Aaron/Lilly death scene that bespoke to me where Veronica's feelings lie. The first was when she was explaining that Aaron beat up Trina's boyfriend and then she said, "He beats Logan, you know?" And the way she said that line, especially Logan's name, was filled with a quick burst of OHMYGOD!LOGAN!, that was quickly tamped down because now really wasn't the time. But it was there, this thread of oh my poor Logan, was totally in her tone of voice. So, girl has feelings for Logan. Big-time!

The second line was when she told Duncan that she wasn't his sister. I'm sure some may have read it as, 'see, we can be together!' But that was totally not the line reading. The line reading was, 'I know you're squicked out because you think you had sex with your sister, but I'm not your sister, so no worries. Gotta run!' with a cheery smile. So, girl does NOT have those feelings for Duncan.

But, but, but Logan was trying to kill himself, you say. He wouldn't be running off to Veronica, he's in the depths of despair. No, he wasn't. He wasn't attempting suicide; he was tempting fate. He didn't care if he lived or died in that moment, true, but that's not a suicidal thought. Suicide is WANTING to die. Logan didn't care either way. That's important. He wasn't that far gone.

Okay, so, Weevil was going to beat him up, you reason. Well, I'm not so sure of that. (Postulating here big-time, I admit.) It's very possible that Veronica tried to call Logan first (before she called Keith). After all, Logan is Aaron's son and he needed to be warned. She couldn't reach him, maybe she then called Weevil to find Logan, giving a quick sum-up of what's the deal. Then she calls her dad, then tries Logan again, no luck. We cut to Weevil showing up and, I'm sorry, but that look on his face, tone of his voice -- compare it to the way he spoke about "rich boys" at the beginning of the episode, totally not as menacing or enraged. In the final scene with Logan, he just sounded annoyed. If Weevil believed still at that point that Logan killed Lilly, would he sound only merely annoyed? I don't think so.

Alright then, why would Logan show up at Veronica's door? He totally can't forgive her. And to that I say, yes, he can. If Veronica had told him on the beach that she believed him and was crazy to think that he had killed Lilly, she was just confused and with finding out about his alibi being blown and everything, she was so sorry ... he would have so forgiven her right then and there. Completely. Would there still be issues? Of course. But he would have forgiven her. Why? Because Logan is filled with remorseful self-loathing; he believes that he isn't worthy of Veronica at this point. He lied to her about the alibi; just like he was the bad guy in giving Duncan the GHB, so HE screwed up and if Veronica forgives him for his bad, then he has another shot at salvation. I'm not saying that Veronica is going to "save him," just that in Logan's mind, she's a good that he's been denied. Logan's given her reasons to not trust him, to believe the worst of him and these are the consequences of his year-long descent into jackassery. We saw in how he forgave her for:

1. Standing him up without a word.
2. Ignoring him for a weekend.
3. Accusing him of rape.
4. Leaving him stranded cold again.
5. Avoiding and ignoring him for a few days again.

All in the space of a few days, maybe four or five, it's reasonable to assume that once again Logan would forgive her because he believes he brought it upon himself. Remember, he's a child of abuse and in many cases, the abused are led to believe that they are the ones to blame. So, it's his fault and if Veronica's forgives him, it is despite what a jackass he is.

And speaking of that good ole psychotic jackass rep ... many speculated that Logan would OPJ on her again and some are still speculating that he will. But I don't see how that is even a question now. She accused him of rape. He forgave her. She stood him up. He forgave her. She ditched him without a word. He forgave her. She accused him of murder, setting the cops on his (fine) ass and while he didn't forgive her -- he was on that road. Logan was EXPLAINING himself to Veronica when talking about Lilly. He wasn't raging at her, he wasn't snarking, being petty or mean or cruel or vicious or vindictive. Yes, he called her a "heartless bitch" but that was ripped out of him and was filled with pain; she broke his heart. And those words were not said in rage or in sarcastic taunting, they were spoken in a maelstrom of suffering and heartbreak.

Clearly, this guy is NOT going OPJ on her again. We already saw his reaction to her accusing him of murder. And it wasn't one of a pyschotic jackass, obligatory or otherwise.

So to recap: It's not Wallace because it's a love-related cliffhanger. Same goes for Weevil because no doors have been opened with either of the 'W' guys romantically. It's not Duncan because the feelings aren't there from her end and he'd be too tied up in dad's been arrested-related stuff. Which leaves Logan. Who has shown forgiveness for Veronica in the past. Who showed himself, more hurt than angry, on the beach. Who, most importantly, is once again all alone. The last time he was all alone -- when Lynn died -- he showed up at Veronica's door just about EXACTLY the same way that this final scene was shot. The difference is that this time we didn't see Logan standing outside, arms wrapped tight, giving himself the hug that no one else was there to give.

One final thing that points to Logan: Next season begins at the beginning of the school year. With a few judicious flashbacks, we can put Logan and Veronica to some degree of on-track. Yes, they have issues, but they were already laid out in this episode what those issues are and how they both deal with them. She runs away; he self-flagellates. They need to communicate. We get that; they get that. It's clear that these are the issues with what we've seen; not saying that they will easily master the dealing with of these issues, but they know the deal. If we were to see them getting through the early stages, there would just be long, meandering discussions discussing those things that we, the viewers, already know and that would resemble Dawson's Creek which is so not the VM style. That is not the case for Duncan/Veronica at this point. They'd have to start from the ground up and essentially do for Duncan/Veronica what they did for Logan/Veronica from The Wrath of Con to at least Weapons of Class Destruction. And we'd need to see that evolution, not have it inferred from a few flashbacks.

Furthermore, if they choose to go that route with VD and have them together at the beginning of next season, they have nowhere to go with them. Either (a) they work out and thus are pretty much left with no story on that end (and where is Logan gonna be?). Or (b) they don't work out, they break up early on and then that effectively closes the door on a potential VD hook-up in the future and they'd be crazy to completely shut that door now.

So. Totally Logan at the door.
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Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on May 11th, 2005 07:54 am (UTC)
Didn't Logan tell her to go kill herself, that he wanted her dead? Yes, he was upset - but that's pretty jackassy.
Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 08:21 am (UTC)
Logan didn't tell her to go kill herself. When Veronica asked him what she should say, he said, that she should say that she should go put her head in an oven because she's a heartless bitch. She then said (taking off on the belief that he killed Lilly), so you want me dead. And his response of 'yeah,' was totally along the same lines of yeah, 'so you think I killed Lilly fine, that's how I operate.'

Look, I gotta be honest -- I could debate with you till the cows come home, but I really don't want to debate the evils of Logan when he was the most fucked up at the end of the episode to me and my heart is still breaking for him. He isn't a jackass; he's a heartbroken kid who has once again lost everyone in his life. That's my take.
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Sarah: Logonicasarahdocbb on May 11th, 2005 09:25 am (UTC)
I love this. When I first saw the door scene I said "it's Logan" but then through reading other's post I had my doubts, and came to the conclusion that it was Wallace as a friend, or Leo with Backup, and Backup was the one she was talking to. But after reading this it gives me some hope back that it is Logan.

And this is totally juvinial but the line "if they choose to go that route with VD" just made me snicker like a dork. :D
Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC)
I love this. When I first saw the door scene I said "it's Logan"

Exactly. It ended and I had no doubt.

but then through reading other's post I had my doubts, and came to the conclusion that it was Wallace as a friend,

Couldn't be Wallace because we've been told on more than one occasion that the cliff-hanger was about her love life. Wallace has not been introduced (and hopefully never will) into that arena of Veronica's life.

or Leo with Backup, and Backup was the one she was talking to.

I don't think it's that because I can't imagine Rob Thomas giving us such a lame resolve. And again, love life cliffhanger. Leo's out of the picture in that regard and she loves Backup, but Backup's a dog.

But after reading this it gives me some hope back that it is Logan.

Totally Logan at the door.

And this is totally juvinial but the line "if they choose to go that route with VD" just made me snicker like a dork. :D

Heehee! Someone called them VD once and I haven't been able to tear myself away from that oh so mature nickname ever since.
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(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2005 10:29 am (UTC)
I really liked this post and it gives me (reasonable) hope that it might be Logan at the door - and I really need that hope right now.
Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 03:36 pm (UTC)
Well, have that hope. I just can't logically seeing it be ANYONE else. It's totally Logan at the door. That's my mantra and until spoiler time hits and I'm proven wrong (which I won't be, LOL) I'm sticking to it.
mikileo7 on May 11th, 2005 10:32 am (UTC)
I am so p***ed off for poor Logan. How harsh is this - other than Kirsten Bell he is the best character and best actor on this programme. Although I appreciate that RT has to have an explosive storyline that asks as many questions as it answers I just wonder how much more can poor Logan take without collapsing under the weight of it all. I mean - does he want to turn one of the most interesting and thought provoking characters into a basket case. Have to say I am very frustrated with the Logan thing.

I know people say that he and Veronica have only been friends/lovers for a short period of time but there was more chemistry between their two characters in those few episodes than in the entire cast the rest of the season and I just hope they don't waste that. They have to give Logan some way back. If they try and gloss over the Veronica/Logan fallout next season or if they return to the initial resentful, untrusting, backbiting relationship that Logan and Veronica had at the start of the season I will be one very ticked off fan. That avenue has no credibility because too much has happened between them and the only thing I can think that they might do is have Duncan and Veronica back together for her to then realise that she is really in love with Logan (I hope).
Maloramalora on May 11th, 2005 11:45 am (UTC)
the only thing I can think that they might do is have Duncan and Veronica back together for her to then realise that she is really in love with Logan (I hope).

I agree. My theory: Duncan's at the door (we don't know how many hours have passed; it's possible that Jake Kane is out on bail by now, leaving Duncan free to do whatever). He and Veronica try to recapture their old relationship as it was. But after a while, cracks begin to develop, as Veronica isn't the wide-eyed, preppy wanna-be she was back then. Her arc will be about realizing she can't recapture her innocence (a theme of one of Rob Thomas's books, as well).

Meanwhile, Logan is helped off the bridge by Weevil, as Weevil already figured out/was told that Logan wasn’t the killer. After spending the summer months in drink and depression, he returns to school an outcast. The 09ers whisper about his dad murdering their friend. Jake Kane forbids Duncan from having anything to do with the son of Lilly's killer. Jake Kane has also won a civil suit against Aaron, and between that, Aaron's defense costs, and Trina's scavenging, there's no money left. He can't access his mom's inheritance until he turns 18. Essentially…he and Veronica will have switched places, status-wise. And he'll have to learn what it's like on the other side of the tracks. That'll be his arc.

I'm may be wrong, but this possibility interests me because this season, Logan & Veronica were thrown together by circumstance. Veronica was an outcast; Logan was dealing with the loss of his gf and mom. It'll be good to see them come back to each other after they've had some time to grow independently.
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lemniskatelemniskate on May 11th, 2005 11:39 am (UTC)
I look at it like this. the entire episode is the set up for a romantic cliff hanger.

your interpretation of the duncan/veronica interaction is only one possible interpretation; it's by no means definite. They were both a little busy, you know? and not to mention in shock. Adrenaline, etc.

and I don't think Veronica called Weevil to help Logan. She knew from his overhearing her conversation -- which she tried to lie to him about -- that Weevil was very, very angry with him. The menace in Weevil telling Logan that he could think of what to do with him -- that was scary.

My belief is that Logan's in no condition to be at Veronica's door. and if he can get there, her first reaction at how he looks won't be a gentle sweet smile and just relaxed happiness to see him. If she saw him, she'd be stepping back and warily waiting to see what he'll say and do.

I pretty much think that'd be her reaction to anyone but Wallace; Duncan showing up would be way too soon for any "hey we're not related, let's suck face" worries; Weevil, she'd be worried about what he'd done, and logan-- like I said above. Wallace is the only one that would get a quietly happy reaction.
forlackofalife: calvinrealityforlackofalife on May 11th, 2005 01:24 pm (UTC)
Very goo point. I agree.
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NIKOLEcelestialpearl on May 11th, 2005 12:05 pm (UTC)
God do I hope you're right. Because if it's Duncan I might have to kill somebody.
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mikileo7 on May 11th, 2005 01:41 pm (UTC)
It's so NOT the deputy
If there is one thing I would bet my house on it's that it is not the deputy. RT is not going to follow up such an explosive episode which has veronica's last words being spoken to someone who had no real impact or any real significance in her life since Lily died.

Personally I would like it to be Logan but find it more likely to be Wallace or Duncan.

Also I have to say that your comment that "(yeah, she dated logan....and he called her girlfriend...but i don't think she was as serious as he was)" is a little simplistic. I think she showed more emotion and feeling towards Logan in those few episodes than towards Duncan/Troy or anyone else.

Although she new it would not go down well with a lot of people in her life she still pursued it and in fact for a character who seemed to let very little get under her skin Logan really had an impact on her and actually provoked an honest and unchecked reaction from Veronica.

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Re: It's so NOT the deputy - verybadlady on May 11th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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beergirl__beergirl__ on May 11th, 2005 02:09 pm (UTC)
Well, I originally thought it was Wallace, as it is the only thing that makes sense to me, but I will say this:

The two previous times Logan shows up at her door (The first being about Lynn, and the second being about her rape), the scene is played the exact same way. She opens the door and looks out etc...

Weevil has NEVER been to her house, so I excluded him from the beginning.

We saw enough of Duncan in this episode, and I agree that I think she is truly over him. I think if she wasn't she could never have been with Logan in the first place.

If it was Wallace wouldn't he have arrived shortly after his Mom got to the hospital? Why would he wait?

Logan will clearly be the outsider she was this season, next season and jake Kane threatened to ruin Aaron's family etc... so I think Logan will need as much comfort as Veronica.

I agree that it could be Logan.

Final assumptions: If it isn't Wallace it is definitely Logan.

One question: Is it 3 am or 3pm when she looks at the clock?
Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 03:59 pm (UTC)
Well, I originally thought it was Wallace, as it is the only thing that makes sense to me, but I will say this:

Can't be Wallace because it's a love life cliffhanger and Wallace doesn't apply.

The two previous times Logan shows up at her door (The first being about Lynn, and the second being about her rape), the scene is played the exact same way. She opens the door and looks out etc...

That was the point I was making with: The last time he was all alone -- when Lynn died -- he showed up at Veronica's door just about EXACTLY the same way that this final scene was shot. The difference is that this time we didn't see Logan standing outside, arms wrapped tight, giving himself the hug that no one else was there to give.

And of course in the rape episode, she opened the door similarly to him as well. And Logan is the only one we've ever seen that way. And we know that Rob Thomas likes repeating patterns.

As for the pm or am. I thought it was am at first, but someone pointed out and I checked, there was sunshine and Lianne (BITCH!) was supposed to leave in the morning and it makes sense that V would have slept all day. So, I do think it was 3 pm.
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raswindthebird on May 11th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you! You've given me reason to hope for Logan by voicing what I feel but couldn't articulate or pull all together -- it's more than my "But it has to be Logan! It has to be!" My first reaction was that it was Logan at the door, too, because his thread was the only one left hanging (we didn't have a scene with Duncan and Veronica at the arrest site, but their interaction seemed complete, and their future doesn't seem so ambiguous), and it was only when the screen started to fade to black that I realized they were going to do that to us.
Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 05:18 pm (UTC)
Exactly and that's another sign that totally points to it being Logan.

If we had an inkling of where he was and that was including any semblance of safety, most EVERYONE would jump to the conclusion that it was Logan at the door. But this way, most people are looking at other possibilities because well, Logan was on the bridge and Weevil was going to hurt him. So of course he is not at the door.

But, by announcing to the world and sundry that it was a love life cliff hanger, that narrowed the choices down to Duncan or Logan. And if it there was even a chance of it being Duncan, where Logan was -- as the obvious choice -- wouldn't be left up in the air like that.
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(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2005 06:07 pm (UTC)
Of course I would love it if it was Logan at the door (and he should be!) but I feel that Wallace would end up standing there just because shows often like to screw us over. At the beginning of the show, they probably won't even repeat that scene featuring the person who knocked. It will end up going to the next scene. We'll find out Wallace was there since his mom is at the hospital, so maybe he went to stay with Veronica until his mom or her dad comes back (which probably won't be for awhile). I'm always pessimistic and feel things like that will happen. Haha, ok bye!

Arabianarabian on May 11th, 2005 06:19 pm (UTC)
But the cliffhanger is a love-life related one and Wallace does not fit into that scenario. Thus, not Wallace.
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC)
r u guys kidding
Im going to do a little flashback on ya'll
this is the neighbor episode!! remember when he said:
Daniels thrusts the book into Logan's hand and leaves. Logan
takes off the shirt he is wearing, over his tee-shirt.

LOGAN: Well, amigo, let's get to it, huh?

Cut to Logan and Weevil moving the desk under the bookcase
to get to the top shelf, then to Weevil jumping onto the desk
as Logan attends to one of the lower shelves.

WEEVIL: [Throwing the books to the floor] Oops! Heads up! My bad!
LOGAN: You obviously have no appreciation of literature.

Weevil continues to toss the books on the floor as Logan picks a book
off the shelf and turns into the room. He drops the book and kicks it.

LOGAN: [With Shakespearian flourish] Would that it were Mr Daniels' head!
WEEVIL: I was thinking more like that scene in 'Casino'.
[Sitting on the desk] With the vice grip.
LOGAN: [Leaning back against the bookcase, hands at the level of his head]
Ah, see I'm more of a purist, you know,
less blood, more emotional distress. I'd rather see him
locked in a room, padded, crapping himself in the corner.
You know, he's an English teacher. He'd appreciate the poetic justice.

I think the logan enjoys the emotion stress he's putting on veronica! I think its Duncan at the door(more hope its duncan at the door) thats what i think what happen! but I do have a question Logan's 17 years old, where is he going to go???hmmmm get u think
miss_mims on May 11th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)
i totally agree. everyone said veronica looked "happy" when she opened the door. i didnt think so much...more like relieved and it was in that kind of tone that she uses when she talks to logan. i don't really associate that tone of voice with wallace.
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2005 09:28 pm (UTC)
totlly logan at the door
Because he'd have no where else to go because his father is in jail
Megan: Logan- I could have lovedmeggygurl on May 12th, 2005 02:24 am (UTC)
The thing that makes me REALLY believe it was Logan was the way they shot the scene. With how she opened the door. It was a callback to TWO Logan scenes. I don't see RT putting Duncan in there randomly. It would make no sense, and kinda ruin the whole her opening the door to find Logan there thing.

God, I cannot wait. Is it September yet?
breeen: loganbreeen on May 12th, 2005 03:25 am (UTC)
ARG! I had the longest post EVER! and then it went and got deleted! ARG! *whines* I don't want to type all that again. That was like the most thinking I've done for Veronica Mars and now it's GONE! Iyah.. so to summarize, I:
- thought it was Wallace by process of eliminationg (thought Logan was too idealistic)
- agree with how Logan will forgive her because of the whole "child of abuse" thing
- Weevil didn't look like he was going to kill Logan. He had more of an indulgent "man, you're so stupid" look. Which I feel fits with Veronica calling Weevil to go get him. (Side note: But wasn't Aaron in the car the whole time she was calling people? Or did she try to call Logan at the Kane's? If in the car, then doesn't that take a lot of time? Would Aaron have showed up creepily like he did during the calls? I suppose she could have called Weevil before Duncan called her.)
- Veronica's tone and the set up of the scene made me think it was Logan. She sounded very tender and cautious, like she should since she accused her "boyfriend" had killed her best friend, and now knows she's wrong. It could have been to show that she's seeking forgiveness for what she did by smiling and the tenderness, but the caution is in case he doesn't want to forgive her. (But he SO will. :))

I think that's the gist of it. I'm still very sad the first one got lost. It was brilliant. And I shall never get that brilliance back again. :(