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04 January 2009 @ 02:10 pm
I REALLY am a Doctor/Rose-girl ...  
as in DOCTOR/Rose, not Nine/Rose, or Ten/Rose, but Doctor/Rose. I've never read Eight/Rose fic, etc., but I think I may now. Someone put up a lovely Eleven, Rose/TenII story, and of course, Rose while interested in Eleven, was all smooshy and devoted to TenII, and for Eleven, Rose was basically a beloved, but faded, memory. And it bothered me!!!! I wanted Rose to want to be with Eleven as much as TenII. BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE DOCTOR, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!

So, yeah, wow, I REALLY, REALLY am a Rose/Doctor girl. Doesn't matter the number, as long as it's Rose and it's the Doctor. I really thought that I was just for Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose because I'd seen Rose onscreen (as Rose) with Nine and Ten. But nope, I'm apparently for Rose and any Doctor, no matter the form.

I've decided that my perfect Rose/Doctor ending would never happen, but I know what it would be. Moffat is gone after series 5 (what? My fantasy!), Rusty comes back, and brings Billie with him for three Christmas specials (pre-series 6/between 6 and 7, post series 7) and two series (6/7). When Rose shows up, we find out that they were together for seven years, and then he was hit by a car, he didn't die immediately so there was time to talk. He tells her to go to the other him, somehow, find a way. He can only guess that Bad Wolf still has some power, because Rose as Bad Wolf saw all of this.

Rose gets through, meets up with the Doctor, that Xmas special, next series is them re-falling in love. Second xmas special, series seven, is much like series two in Doctor/Rose adventures. And since I'm sure Moffat will be introducing sex left and right, having the Doctor and Rose in a fully romantic relationship will seem chaste in comparison. And part of why TenII had to die as he did was so that he could give her his memories to give to Eleven and with Rose telling him so, the Doctor would finally get that while it was painful losing him to death, Rose wouldn't have given up those seven years because the love and happiness is worth the pain.

Finally, the Xmas special comes, and it ends with the two about to face some danger, the Doctor takes her hand, says "Run" and they run off into the distance. The End.

Series eight returns and it's revealed early on that it's been about fifty-sixty years, Rose was with the Doctor until she died and now he's alone, but at least he had a full life with her. And from that point on, because of his relationship with Rose, he can be content without the romance, bringing the Doctor back to the "asexual" way of pre-new-"Who" to make the fanboys, as well as the psycho Doctor/Rose shippers like myself who don't want to see him romantically with anyone else again, happy.

Yup, that's what I want to happen. Won't, but oh, 'twould be lovely. *Sigh*
Velvet Rain Dropsadriana_is on January 4th, 2009 07:17 pm (UTC)
(pets you) I read that. While it didn't bother me as much as you, that's probably how it's going to play out in Stevie's world. I like to hope that he will still love Rose but who can say what the new season will bring. I do like the chemistry between BP and MS. I've downloaded SDOACG S0106 and The Ruby in the Smoke and they work very well together. But then, as we know, our girl has chemistry with everyone. :)
In my own wishful thinking, I'd hope that BP would come back and be 11's companion but...probably not going to happen.

Arabian: Billie Piper_04arabian on January 4th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, I will shocked senseless if I hear that Rose is referred to any way, shape or form in Moffat's Who.

I have both Sally Lockhart movies on my computer waiting to watch, and all of SDoaCG (which I've already watched), so I'll be more interested in seeing the former as I was before.

I'd hope that BP would come back and be 11's companion but...probably not going to happen.

Oh man, I wrote-up this whole scenario I'd love and just threw it in the main post.

faith5by5_1013: Doctor Who: Nine/Rose: Kissfaith5by5_1013 on January 4th, 2009 07:32 pm (UTC)
I mainly ship Nine/Rose, Ten/Rose, and TenII/Rose because that's what we've seen, but, yeah, I do really ship Doctor/Rose. Doesn't matter which Doctor it is.

I've read some Eight/Rose and loved it.

I wanted Rose to want to be with Eleven as much as TenII. BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE DOCTOR, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!

I think a lot of us feel that way.

I love your perfect Doctor/Rose ending. That would make me happy too!

Edited at 2009-01-04 07:34 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Dr Who (9) - FDarabian on January 4th, 2009 07:38 pm (UTC)
Sigh, wouldn't it be perfect, though? Yes, it would mean that Doctor/Rose were finished as far as the show was concerned, but Billie'd never come back anyway. So this way we'd have a full and complete happy Rose and the Doctor in every way possible. Sigh.
alexiscartwheel: dw - nine & rosealexiscartwheel on January 4th, 2009 07:41 pm (UTC)
There's already fic in which Rose meets Eleven? In, what, 24 hours? DW fandom never ceases to amaze!

Anyway, if you're interested in checking out some multi-era Doctor/Rose, check out "Non-Linear Love Story" by Rallalon. It's Doctor/Rose featuring Eight, Nine, and Ten. I believe it's at both Teaspoon and T&C.
Arabian: Dr Who (9) - BTarabian on January 4th, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
I believe it was the first. LOL!

Yeah, I am interested in checking out multi-era now beyond Nine and Ten. I saw that one by Rallalon, but didn't read it because it had Eight. Now, I'm fine with that. I'll check it out. Thanks. :)
sunnytyler001: Rose & Ten 2sunnytyler001 on January 4th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
"Rose while interested in Eleven, was all smooshy and devoted to TenII, and for Eleven, Rose was basically a beloved, but faded, memory. And it bothered me!!!! I wanted Rose to want to be with Eleven as much as TenII. BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE DOCTOR, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!"
Ah, so I wasn't the only one!
In my little AU!World, BadWolf!Rose is with Eleven and Human!Rose is with Ten II. That way, everybody is happy!
Arabian: Dr Who (10)arabian on January 4th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
And now I'm thinking, "Ah, so I wasn't the only one!" LOL!

See, my canon-minded mind can't even go with your solution. Because there is no BadWolf!Rose and Human!Rose. There's only Rose.
orange_crushedorange_crushed on January 4th, 2009 08:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think I'm with you on the Doctor and Rose thing. It doesn't have to be Nine or Ten. One of my favorite stories ever featured Eight and Rose (along with some Nine and Ten) and that really opened my eyes to the fact that I think she fits with him, not just a part of him.

I'd be perfectly happy reading Eleven/Rose as long as it's done right. (That goes for pretty much anything, really, ha.)
Arabian: Billie Piper_02arabian on January 4th, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
I'm REALLY glad that this fic was written because it did open my eyes up to the fact that I do love Rose with THE DOCTOR. Not Nine. Not Ten. But the Doctor. I was really bummed that Eleven was no longer in love with Rose and that Rose had no problem really walking away from him. (Although, admittedly the TenII jealousy was cute.)

Would you mind linking me to that fic? I'd love to read it and may have some time this week.
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real life dropout and online overachiever: nine/rose kissrynne on January 4th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, definitely. Around the airing of TSE/JE and their Confidentials, I saw people claiming that Rose didn't want him to regenerate because she was in love with Ten and I was like GAH NO SHE'S IN LOVE WITH THE DOCTOR. I was so glad that JE featured Ten I and Ten II rather than Eleven and Ten II just so it wouldn't seem like Rose was choosing Ten II because he was still Ten.

I have a random passion for Eight/Rose, and I would happily read Rose/any!Doctor, because I always thought that she clearly loved him as Nine (otherwise PotW doesn't make as much sense), and because she still loved him as Ten, it meant she loved him as him, not just any specific incarnation of him. And the same thing for him! He loved her as Nine, and he loved her as Ten, and he loved her as Ten II--regeneration has not changed either of their feelings.

Part of your dream scenario makes me wibble because I don't want Ten II to die! XD But I always would have been happy with the Doctor and Rose walking off into the sunset and then next time we see him is after her death, sad but content at having lived a full and happy life with her. And also:

And from that point on, because of his relationship with Rose, he can be content without the romance, bringing the Doctor back to the "asexual" way of pre-new-"Who" to make the fanboys, as well as the psycho Doctor/Rose shippers like myself who don't want to see him romantically with anyone else again, happy.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! XD I feel guilty because I love the Doctor and I don't want him to be miserable after Rose is gone, but it's like when River Song showed up, people were all, "I still love D/Rose but I want him to be happy after she's gone so I'm glad there's River Song in his future". And I felt sort of the same way, but not really. I mean, quite apart from it being River Song (whose characterization was all wrong for someone who could be making him happy), I do want him to be happy in the future, but I am so clingy to my OTPs: I want him to be happy, but without romance being a necessary part of it. I often feel the need to justify it, but I think that if he was happy, even without romance, that would be its own justification. Part of the reason I ship D/R is, after all, that he wasn't happy and then she made him happy. This way I can be clingy to my OTP and still want him happy. :p

Wow, that was a ramble. XD

Oh, also, other people have menioned, but you need to read Non-Linear Love Story (the Eight/Rose, Nine/Rose, Ten/Rose) story. It is so awesome. :D
orange_crushedorange_crushed on January 4th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
Ha, I just mentioned that same fic in this same post ! Great minds. :)
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Marinajavabreeze on January 4th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
I'm a Ten/Rose and Ten2/Rose girl. I'm not bothered by 9/Rose I just simply prefer David Tennant over Christopher Eccleston. The problem I have shipping Rose with other Doctors is that we never saw them on screen as Rose and the Doctor. For me that is huge. Doesn't matter if MS was already in a few things with BP. I haven't seen them together in Who. This is why I can't get into 8/Rose or even 11/Rose and why I probably never will.
Arabian: Dr Who (Rose/10/9)arabian on January 9th, 2009 08:40 am (UTC)
The problem I have shipping Rose with other Doctors is that we never saw them on screen as Rose and the Doctor.
See and that's why I always considered myself a fan of Nine/Rose, Ten/Rose, TenII/Rose, but I never even looked at other number/Rose because I hadn't seen them onscreen. But when I read that fic, I KNEW where it was going from the beginning and I expected to be awwing and squishing it, but I as I continued reading (Because it was so well-written and in character), I was just so bummed for the Doctor because ... Rose loves the Doctor. Not Ten. The Doctor. And Eleven is the Doctor just as much as TenII is.

So I was surprised, but there it is. Thus my post: I'm REALLY a Doctor/Rose girl, Not Nine+Ten+TenII/Rose, but DOCTOR/Rose. I can understand where you're coming from (well, about not seeing them onscreen, you know I'm all about the Eccleston and Nine/Rose, LOL!), because that's exactly where I thought *I* was coming from until I read this fic.

Edited at 2009-01-09 08:40 am (UTC)
madeellymadeelly on January 5th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
Doctor/Rose FTW. And I like your scenario. Here's to hoping. =P
Arabianarabian on January 9th, 2009 08:41 am (UTC)
I'm not even remotely getting my hopes up for this to happen. LOL! If it wasn't Moffat taking over, possibly, but if nothing else, Moffat's gonna be sexing the Doctor up. ::Shudders::
Diana: Bad Wolf -- Nine and Rosebutterfly on January 5th, 2009 06:51 am (UTC)
I enjoyed that story, though I wouldn't want it to be show canon. It seemed to fit with what Two said about his family -- that they 'sleep in his mind'.

I don't really want to read any serious Eleven/Rose fic until there's some sense of the guy's personality (oh, Moffat, *sigh*).
Arabian: Dr Who (Nine)arabian on January 9th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
Oh, tis so sad when our brains don't mesh re: Who, LOL!
But you can call me Bowie: dr who 8/roseisiscaughey on January 5th, 2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
There's some brilliant Eight/Rose out there... I have a secret weakness.
96 tears: DoctorWhoninety6tears on January 9th, 2009 06:48 am (UTC)
it ends with the two about to face some danger, the Doctor takes her hand, says "Run" and they run off into the distance.
that bit is lovely :)
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gowdie: Rose and Doctor in the Tardisgowdie on January 9th, 2009 07:30 am (UTC)
Ah, see, now I'm going to be contrary.

Rose did fall in love with Nine. And she was/is very much in love with Ten. But I do agree with those who thought that she didn't want Ten to regenerate because she came back for him. To be clear - if he did regenerate at that time, I think she would have dealt. But at that time, after fighting so hard and for so long to come back - with that him in mind - for him to change just as she reached him would have been a severe blow. Thus all the frantic sobbing and begging.

I agree with Billie Piper - she is very fond of this version of the Doctor, and very much in love with him. And the fact of the matter is, a regeneration can come along with dramatic personality changes. From Nine to Ten, it worked out wonderfully. But there are no guarantees, and I think that uncertainty for her might be terrifying. She'd deal - but terrifying.

And in the words of RTD, Rose is selfish about the Doctor. It's a wonderful selfishness, because it comes from love, but it's there nonetheless. And I think after a life with TenII - that includes an actual human intimate romantic relationship, and all that includes, from making love, to snuffly colds, to eating breakfast, to going to the bathroom in front of each other, that selfishness might be even stronger - in the sense of intimately loving what she is familiar with. Meeting Eleven after that would not be the same as being reunited with Ten. It would be a huge transition, one that would take time, and I suspect she would miss TenII terribly. Eleven would be the Doctor, and she would absolutely love him in that sense, but he would also be a stranger in a lot of ways.

As for the Doctor himself, I kind of hope Eleven moves on. I don't want him to grieve for Rose forever. It gets too sad to watch. Nine was born a soldier - who was bitter and angry, and he fell in love, and she healed him. Ten was born out of love for Rose, and in love with her. And I think that affected his personality. The transition from Ten to Eleven might be born with the feeling of wanting a fresh start, needing to move on.

I actually did a LONG comment on my own journal about my thoughts on Nine v. Ten. v. Eleven, and I could say it all again here, but for brevity, I'll direct you to it.

It's interesting. I understand your instinctual gut reaction and how strong it is. I think the way you react to Rose not loving to Eleven is the same way I react to TenII being bumped off so Rose can reunite with the Proper Doctor. The idea hurts me.
Arabian: Dr Who (Rose/10/9)arabian on January 9th, 2009 08:28 am (UTC)
Once I posted this on T&C, I probably should have added some sort of addendum to my post. I ADORE TenII and I would have absolutely been heartbroken and just as bothered if Rose had bumped off TenII to reunite with the Doctor. Because to me, they are BOTH the Doctor. Anyone who is familiar with my Doctor/Rose posts knows that my biggest pet peeve post-JE is from shippers who don't accept TenII as the Doctor. So that's where my frustration comes from.

Likewise, I would have been infuriated had Ten regenerated into Eleven and then Rose skipped along with TenII without any big to-do at all because well, Ten looked like David Tennant and Eleven did not. To me, Rose loves THE DOCTOR, not David Tennant. She doesn't love Ten more than Nine because he's Ten, but because she spent more time with him over the course of time. If Nine hadn't regenerated at the end of PotW, I fully believe that they would have been as in love and bouncy/happy throughout S2 and then devastated with "Doomsday." Because Rose loves the Doctor. Period.

As for the JE regeneration, I've always firmly believed that Rose didn't want him to regenerate because when he regenerates (which she knows from experience), he (a) goes through a crazy sickness and they needed the Doctor on full-on Doctor mode, but more importantly (b) he changes a little. She's gone through so much to be with him, it would have been devastating to have to "get to know him" again like she did with Ten ... after all that time they'd spent apart. But I just as firmly believe that had she stayed in this universe and they'd traveled again, she *would* have fallen in love with again (as Tennant said happened once Nine regenerated to Ten) because she loves the Doctor, as fond as she is of Ten's looks and quirky mannerisms, she loves the Doctor.

I don't think that the Doctor should grieve for Rose forever, but I don't want her to ever be a faded memory to him. That's my point. If Rose ever were to miraculously come back into his life, I want him to love and want her as much as he ever has.

OT; I don't know if you remember me, but we were in the Logan/Rogue fandom together. I'm pretty sure I posted under my real name in the war mailing list, JenniferH. and I also was a member of wrbeta.

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the ev: stoner bunemergency_72 on January 9th, 2009 08:17 am (UTC)
i really only ship 10 or 10.5/rose. i wasn't a huge fan of 9, so while i accept 9/rose, i don't ship. i could never ship 11/rose because it doesn't make sense to me. she's stuck in another world with 10.5 and that's just how it's stuck in my head. 8/rose just confuses me no end because she didn't meet him till he was 9.

i guess i'm just content to accept and ship how it happened in the show.
Arabian: Doylearabian on January 9th, 2009 08:31 am (UTC)
Fair enough, I don't say that I don't love Rose/Ten or Rose/TenII, I do. I just love Rose/Nine that smidgeon more because I like Eccleston and the Eccleston/Piper chemistry more. But for me, Rose loves the Doctor, period, and Eight, as well as Eleven, as well as Nine and Ten are all the Doctor, therefore she loves them all.

For me, I can't just ship her only with Ten/TenII because I feel, personally, that presents Rose as shallow that she only loved the Doctor when he was the pretty boy as inhabited by David Tennant. For me, Rose loved WHO the Doctor was as an individual, not what he looked like and if she fell in love with Nine -- which I fully, 100% believe she did -- than as much as she loved Ten, she would love Eleven, Twelve, Thirteen, Eight, etc. because they are ALL the individual that is the Doctor.

Edited at 2009-01-09 08:46 am (UTC)
Camilla Sandman: Kissing you that isn't youmisscam on January 9th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
I can't say I ship Eleven/Rose - how Eleven would be is too much of a blank yet. Could be fun to speculate, as was the case when Tennant was first announced, but I like to have some source material to base things on. That's just my personal preference.

I would say I ship Doctor/Rose, in that I liked both Nine and Ten with her and I'm pretty sure she'd adapt to Eleven and whatever would be there would something different, but interesting. (Just as Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose aren't exactly the same thing, and I can see why some might like one but not the other, even though I see both as somewhat intertwined.) It's really like an extreme version of most relationships that last over time. Two people who've been married for 60 years will not have stayed the same people throughout. Experience and age would change them, and possibly at different times in their lives they would have been more in love than at others. At some points they might even have fallen out of love but still love each other and stay committed. Other times, they might have had a falling in love all over again, as if it was for the first time. The Doctor just has a... well, fast forward to a different stage in his life, and instead of getting change gradually, it comes suddenly and takes a bit more adjusting. You can love someone through their life, but there still might be one time in relationship that was more intense or where you felt more in love. Rose might have that with the Doctor, and could prefer the way she had with one or more incarnations of him and that's not really a problem for me. Not sure I'm making any sense here. I ramble in my head.

Really, if Rose ever met the original!Doctor again, I think it would be better for her if it was Eleven or a later incarnation. If human!Ten had died from her or something like that, I could the memory of it would stand much more between her and Ten than her and Eleven. Ten would remind her of her loss, though she could of course get over it. Eleven might feel more like a new start since he would be different in one way or another.

All IMO, of course.
Arabian: Dr Who (Rose/10/9)arabian on January 9th, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
I can't say I ship Eleven/Rose

Oh, I don't *ship* Rose/Eleven, I couldn't do that unless I saw them together. BUT, I can see Rose loving him and wouldn't be able to just choose between Rose/TenII and Rose/Eleven, Rose/Twelve because they are all the Doctor to me because to me BOTH are the Doctor.
Shaela Scanlonmls03j on January 9th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
I wanted Rose to want to be with Eleven as much as TenII. BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE DOCTOR, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. And I’ll second what rynne said about the end of “The Stolen Earth.” Actually, rallalon (the author of the Eight/Rose fic everyone’s been reccing) said something about that a while back that I thought was interesting:

The end of TSE struck me as being weird. We go from awesome to tragic and then it’s amazingly clear that yes, this is the cliffie of all cliffies. Rose’s fear was definitely to motivate the audience into being afraid. But in terms of motivation for the character instead of motivation for the show, she thinks she’s about to lose the Doctor. Which is weird, because she learned with Ten that regeneration doesn’t mean losing the Doctor, just parts of the whole being changed. It’s replacing the blade of grandfather’s ax. So either we’ve got major issues between Rose and the Doctor’s very species, or it’s a major fear for Rose of what exactly will get chucked in the bin. Which I suppose raises an important question: how essential to him is she? When he dies after she saves his life, she’s very important and so she remains important. When he dies after they’ve been apart for years? Possibly not so much. And y’know the horrible part? That’s never actually confirmed. He doesn’t regenerate, so we don’t know if the love is still that crucial to who he is, not for certain. 10.5 comes from recent energy but from the hand that, when last connected to a conscious body, was less than 15 hours away from Rose saving his life. The issue is still up in the air and now, it can never be resolved. It doesn’t need to be resolved, now that it’s Rose and 10.5, but it’s still there.

I think my perfect Doctor/Rose ending would be the Doctor realizing that he needed the life he’d given to Ten II, and doing whatever he had to do to get back to Pete’s World. (Obviously, he’d need to arrive after Ten II was dead, but we already know that time flows at a different rate in Pete’s World than it does here.) Everything after the reunion could happen off-screen, as long as when he came back to our universe, he was traveling with one of his and Rose’s children (or grandchildren).

It’ll never happen, though. I think it was Billie who said, “At some point you have to accept that it’s over.” *sigh*
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