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28 September 2008 @ 08:27 am
'Journey's End' cut scene  
Saw this at thistwilight's journal and it confirmed my belief about something in the finale, so yay!

    SILENCE, AS DAVROS GLIDES AWAY FROM THEM. HOLD.

    ONLY THE NOISE OF HUGE HYDRAULICS FROM ABOVE. THE DOCTOR LOOKING UP, TRAPPED, HELPLESS.

    THEN QUIET, INTIMATE, ACROSS THE DISTANCE:

    ROSE: You never did finish that sentence, did you?

    THE DOCTOR: What sentence...?

    ROSE (smiles): Like you don't know. Last time I saw you. On Bad Wolf Bay. You said, 'Rose Tyler...'

    THE DOCTOR...isn't it cold?

    ROSE: Come on. Properly.

    THE DOCTOR: Does it need saying?

    ROSE: Yeah.

    (Pause. Sad smile between them).

    Then, just as quiet

    DAVROS: Such intimacy. So different from the Doctor I once knew.
I like this just because it proves my belief that Ten was just NOT willing to say the words and that it had nothing to do with him being "bad cop" to Ten II's "good cop" in their last scene at Bad Wolf Bay as some have suggested. I had no problem with the idea of how Rusty ended the Rose arc (the execution? Yeah, I had some quibbles, but the idea of it was great). Talking specifically about the final scene, I loved how it was played out that Rose was confused about the whole situation, still fighting to be with Ten because he was the man she loved before that moment when it was made perfectly clear that she could never truly have the man that she loved fully if he was the full-Time Lord.

That bit of the scene, a section played so beautifully by the Tennant, was easily my favorite part of the entire episode. I loved it because it conveyed so much about how the two Doctors were the same, and yet different and how that allowed Rose to make her choice without thought. How each Doctor answered Rose's question was all the telling that Rose needed to make her decision, spontaneous though it was.

Ten even then couldn't say the words because of who he was, how he lived, his rules, etc., but Ten II could say the words because he had that bit of human in him, enough to know that, yeah, it needed saying. And because he could say the words, Rose was able to throw down her guard and grab the man and kiss him. And Tennant was wonderful at conveying Ten seeing that, taking in that Ten II could say and do things to and with Rose that he never could, because this Doctor -- the full Time Lord -- wasn't meant to have that kind of life. But Ten II -- the half Time-Lord/half-Human -- could.

And this small snippet above just helped confirm that belief for me. So, on one hand, yeah, I would have LOVED the inclusion of this scene, but also, I'm not sure how it would have played out during the context of the scene above without making Rose look quite, quite selfish to non-die-hard-Rose fans for thinking of their *relationship* in the middle of the destruction of the universe. Still, I'm glad I know about it now because, again, it helped confirm my own take on it.
 
 
 
Frances: DW - Ten/Rose - beachgoldy_dollar on September 28th, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
Haha. I think it's for those reasons that I kind of hate the scene and am glad Russell changed it. I just... find the idea that the Doctor isn't allowed to love or express love REALLY frustrating.

I mean, the universe is *ending* and the Doctor has finally been reunited with the woman he's spent years mourning over and he still won't tell her he loves her? Is he EVER going to grow? Or is the point of the Doctor to be miserable and alone and pushing away the people he cares about forever? I'm not sure how it makes any sense at all except that RTD seems to think he needs to preserve this idea that the Doctor is at least partially asexual for the Old School fans and... argh.

Yeah, I obviously have some issues. :)
Arabian: Dr Who (10)arabian on September 28th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
Haha. I think it's for those reasons that I kind of hate the scene and am glad Russell changed it. I just... find the idea that the Doctor isn't allowed to love or express love REALLY frustrating.

I think that's the key there: "isn't *allowed." I don't perceive it as that at all. He certainly is allowed to do so, he certainly can ... but the self-inflicted guilt and weight of the universe that he carries has made him consciously choose not to because he doesn't believe he deserves it. He needs to repent for annihilating his race, the Daleks and the ripples that destroyed thousands of other innocent races. That is a pretty HUGE thing to deal with, so I can certainly, easily buy that he does hold himself accountable to the degree that he can not allow himself to drop his guard. He's all that is left ... and it's HIS fault that he's all that is left. True or not, that is how he genuinely (and, to me, understandably) feels.

I mean, the universe is *ending* and the Doctor has finally been reunited with the woman he's spent years mourning over and he still won't tell her he loves her?

Not in the circumstance above with Davros right there feeding his guilt issues, no. Had they just reunited without that Davros guilt-trip likely. And in time had there been no Ten II and the two were able to stay together, definitely.

Is he EVER going to grow?

He did; he has. He didn't just give her up to be miserable, he didn't just say 'oh well, life sucks and so do I for all I've caused, you go away now so I can wallow in self-pity.' He looked at the situation and saw that here was himself, with the ability to live a full, complete life with the woman he desperately loves, without having to hold back for any reason (legitimate or not). She could be happy, truly happy and a part of him would be happy, truly happy that she could have that. So he can now carry on with what he feels is his responsibility with a clear heart knowing that he gave the love of his life the greatest gift that he could possibly have ever imagined giving her.

Or is the point of the Doctor to be miserable and alone and pushing away the people he cares about forever?

But, I don't think he will be miserable and alone, right after losing Rose AND Donna? Yeah, he was miserable and alone, but it was right after. I know some think I give TMOTS too much credit, but it clearly took place after JE and was scripted by RTD, and it DID show a content Doctor. Will he be as happy as he was with Rose? No, but he found some happiness with Donna, and a joy in exploring the universe again a bit ... and he did that while mourning Rose and thinking neither one of them would never have that true happiness.

Now he has that and there will be a contentedness, a quiet joy when he thinks of her with the perfect him (in his mind) for her. Yes, it will be paired with the inevitable sadness that that life is not his, but he loves her so much that her happiness -- something he knew she did NOT have without any him there with her -- is tantamount to his happiness that he'll always have that, and he'll always know that there was a him who was able to love his Rose as fully and completely as possible.

Yeah, I obviously have some issues. :)

We all have issues about something, even in the fandoms we love.

Edited at 2008-09-28 04:53 pm (UTC)