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25 June 2008 @ 09:04 am
Were the Doctor and Rose doing it?  
This has likely been discussed ad nauseum in the fandom, but hey, I'm new and just rewatched "Doomsday" last night.

So first we have Rose's reaction to "Were you and him ..." in TL which while wasn't a ringing cry of 'hell yeah!,' neither was it a denial. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it actually leaned more in the direction of 'yes, we were' as opposed to 'no, it wasn't like that.' For the first time, in canon, I actually thought that RTD might go there and have it come out that towards the end (and I think if it DID happen it would definitely be after "The Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit") they did go, you know, go there.

Which brings us to "Doomsday." I'd read this interpretation in someone's fic notes, or spec somewhere when I first started diving headlong into the fandom, and I remember scoffing and thinking wishful thinking. After "Turn Left" and Rose's reaction, as well as rewatching "Doomsday" after everything that's followed, I actually am wondering if just maybe, indeed, yup, they went there. What I'm referring to is the final Doctor/Rose scene where she mentions "the baby." The Doctor's reaction, his expression, tone of voice to "you're not ..." and Rose's long look back at him with the slight smile before the laughing "no." I'm certainly not one for the whole idea of a bunch of Timetots running around, and pretty much avoid babyfic!, but the idea that the Doctor would think, well, maybe they were going there.

Of course, there's another interpretation as the comment came on the heels of "Well, you've still got Mr. Mickey then," followed by Rose grouping the Tylers, Mickey and then the baby together as a unit, but there was a slight bite as well as an 'as if' quality to the question. So, again, I dunno ... but I do wonder now.

We'll know (or won't, I guess) soon enough.

ETA: THREE MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eolivet on June 25th, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC)
(I read your spec, because well...I was looking at macros of caps from "Utopia" this time last year, and didn't consider myself spoiled, and one line wouldn't ruin the whole ep ;)

But I honestly do not think RTD would ever go there in earnest. I think he'd be strung up by an angry bunch of fanboys if that ever happened. It would alienate (no pun intended ;p ) too many of the show's longtime viewers if that was even implied. I know a good portion of the show's base had a hard time with the Doctor having any romantic feelings for a Companion whatsoever.

Howevah...I will give you that there is a bite to the Doctor's inquiry about Rose being pregnant, but it seems more jealous/protective/disbelieving than anything else. Like "Oh, so I see you've moved on..." :/ JMHO. :)
Arabian: Dr Who (10) - Christmas Invasionarabian on June 25th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
I dunno. RTD's leaving, and he's basically said that he plans on doing crazy fanwank-y stuff. And, I know you haven't seen it, but the spoiled line/reaction? It's really, really ... let's just say the shipper contingency was going insane and there were quite a few TAKE THAT ROSE/DOCTOR HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean, you could totally be right. It just made me wonder.

Edited at 2008-06-25 01:44 pm (UTC)
eolivet on June 25th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
Ah, hadn't heard that part about RTD (also haven't seen the ep in question, of course, so my only frame of reference is "Doomsday" :p ) Based on that ep, I'd say no. But I guess I don't have all the information.

(I just wanted to respond anyway! :p )
Arabian: Billie Piper_01arabian on June 25th, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, see I felt the same way about the idea of it based on "Doomsday" only. But watching "Turn Left" and then "Doomsday" a few days later is what made me think ... hmm, maybe? So it definitely was the combo there.
Honorable Monotreme: doctor is so unmateworthynobleplatypus on June 25th, 2008 08:11 pm (UTC)
I highly, highly doubt that RTD will ever explicitly state that the Doctor and Rose had a sexual relationship, for two reasons--one, he LOVES forking with the fandom. Loves it. He will imply anything if he thinks there's an excellent chance that it'll piss people off. Two, and this is something I think we lose sight of in the US because it's mostly a teen+ thing here, but over in the UK, Doctor Who is considered a kids' show. Adults watch it, too, but a TON of the fans are children. Freema did a call-in radio show once, and all of the people calling in with questions sounded like they were in grade school (well, except for David, who prank called and pretended to be a totally demented fan, and it was HILARIOUS), and asked questions like, "Were you frightened when the monsters attacked you??" So I doubt Rusty would risk Billie Piper going on a call-in show someday and having little kids call in to ask her what she meant when she said she and the Doctor were "banging." ;)

If Rusty does go there, though, I think I just might lose what little respect I still have for him. :P
Arabian: Donna Noblearabian on June 25th, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know it's considered a kid's show (which boggles my mind frankly because I wouldn't let my kid watch most episodes of this show. I don't imagine there would be anything even remotely explicit, but clear enough to the adults watching, that yeah, that's it.

As for Rusty going there, obviously we have different points of view re: RTD because other than TSOD/TLOTL, I love most of his episodes and love what he's created, so I still have loads of respect for him.

And, yeah, I'm such a shipper at heart, LOL!