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17 February 2007 @ 08:24 am
VM, The Office and Shipper Fandom  
I finally got around to watching The Office last night and I thought it was an enjoyable episode (okay, except for Michael's speech, eek!). Now, I should note here that while I like Jim/Pam, I don't ship them. I don't read spoilers, I don't analyze their scenes, I rewound their first kiss twice, but that's it. I'm not a shipper. With that said, after I watched the episode, I hopped on over to TWoP and read the episode thread and was quite surprised to find the Jim/Pam shippers throughout the thread were so disgruntled, complaining about the Jim/Pam aspect, saying the show had one more week to fix them or they were going to stop watching. There was discussion of how so much had been wrecked with the characters it wasn't possible to repair them and I was a little shocked. I thought the show was great and overall, I've been quite happy with it. The quality hasn't dipped and the progression of the Jim/Pam story has been fine for me. Of course, I'm not a shipper at all for them.

So, I started thinking of this in relation to VM and how so many Logan/Veronica shippers are ready to jump ship, are furious with what has happened to the show, dog it left and right (and I'm surely one of them), but how some non-shippers are fine with it and don't quite get where we're coming from. And I thought, you know, wow! really shipping a couple on a show really, REALLY changes your opinion of that show. You tend to look more closely at plotlines, at interaction, at how things are going or not going for your couple and shippers tend to analyze the hell out of the show -- not just their couple, but the show as a whole. I don't know why, maybe because most people who ship a couple, like the show and therefore when they find themselves analyzing one aspect, they wind up analyzing the whole thing.

What this all means, I dunno, I just thought it was interesting.
just once (then) 한번도。: vmars - coming home for homecomingaoimidori on February 17th, 2007 02:22 pm (UTC)
Once you start really 'shipping a couple, you really do start relating every single thing in the show to them. That's pretty much how it is for me too. I watch a show, get invested into a particular relationship, and then suddenly the entire show just revolves around them. I think it has something to do with fully investing yourself in the characters and their web of relationships.

I also think though, that that's why non-'shippers think we 'shippers are crazy. :p
Arabian: Innocencearabian on February 17th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, you do. even TV shows I really like, if I don't ship a couple on them, I don't know them like I know shipped couples shows. I know eps titles, directors/writers, spoilers, and analyze the eps to death of shows where I ship a couple. I mean, I enjoy Brothers & Sisters and Ugly Betty way more than VM now, but I am so, so, so much more involved with VM because of Logan/Veronica.
just once (then) 한번도。: vmars - closed for businessaoimidori on February 18th, 2007 02:25 pm (UTC)
yes! i think the knowing the episode titles and music is because you tend to associate the episodes with significant events relating to the 'ships. :p

( and is brothers and sisters really good? i'm kind of apprehensive about it. )
Arabian: Veronicaarabian on February 18th, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
Oh My GOD!! It's awesome. I thought it was good in the beginning, but the last 5 or so episodes it's really hit its stride and is just amazing. It's WONDERFUL!!!
WeHo M.: VM - Sweetnessafrocurl on February 17th, 2007 05:07 pm (UTC)
I think you're really right about shipping affecting your outlook.

I suppose I'm weird and can ship a couple on any show and still enjoy everything else about it (which might explain why I don't hate VM right now on the whole.)
Arabian: Look of LoVearabian on February 17th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
You are lucky indeed that way!!!
WeHo M.: VM - Sweetnessafrocurl on February 17th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
Then again, I also ship couples for being totally fucking helpless (oh--the reason I love RM on The OC was because they were too damaged to really work.)
Margarita: JIM!ramwitz on February 17th, 2007 06:42 pm (UTC)
I don't know. I'm a HUGE Jim/Pam shipper and although I am not thrilled that it seems like the love between them has been lost and their scenes together aren't the same, I am still loving The Office whole-heartedly. So even though I am not thrilled with the shipper-aspect of the show, I have so much more to love about the show that it doesn't really bother me. Also, I can respect how they are playing out the Jim/Pam angle...it makes sense to me. Same goes with other shows in which I ship a couple. I don't ditch the show just because things between my couple aren't going as I would like it to as long as there are other aspects to the show that are keeping me there and as long as it continues to make sense to me.

When Logan broke up with Veronica the first time, it made sense to me, and I was nowhere close to ditching the show. Then they had to go muck it up with all the melodramatic Madison bullshit that absolutely made no sense to me. I've also been feeling bored by the mysteries and underwhelmed by the other characters. And I can't quite get why considering that this is much more likely than not the last season and they don't have a lot of time to fix things, why fuck things up so badly?

Also, I think it is because I have grown to absolutely despise the Veronica character and I am 100% on Logan's side. The show must have done this somewhere since I don't usually take sides with the couples I ship. Using Jim and Pam as an example, I don't take sides. It is written well enough and played out well enough that I continue to love them both equally despite my not liking all their choices and the show makes me want to continue to want them together.

But I do agree with you that shipping a couple in the show makes you watch it differently. I think a shipper takes it a lot more personally. But I also think VM must have done something wrong because I have never given up on a show that I loved before just because of the doom of my ship, until this one.
Arabian: TVarabian on February 17th, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
But I also think VM must have done something wrong because I have never given up on a show that I loved before just because of the doom of my ship, until this one.

And that's where Rob Thomas so screwed up. What he (and I doubt many showrunners) realize is that you can sorta screw up a show and most viewers will still stick around, but if you totally fuck up a couple, you're more inclinced to lose a viewer because it's THAT attachment that generally leads to die-hard loyalty.
midd25 on February 18th, 2007 06:03 am (UTC)
What an awesome post, Jennifer and I completely agree with your assessment on how shipping a couple affects how you view the show.

It's funny because I'm an avid shipper of both Logan/Veronica and Jim/Pam. As someone who regularly posts in The Office forum at TWoP (yeah, I finally caved and joined) I think the difference between me and the posters you mentioned is that I've never considered ditching the show because I didn't like the direction of Jim and Pam.

However, numerous times I've contemplated leaving Veronica Mars because I couldn't stand the direction the show was taking with the Logan/Veronica relationship. I think the essential difference between my reactions to The Office and Veronica Mars, is how I feel about the show in general. Jim/Pam aside, I just love The Office. Even if the Jim/Pam relationship was nonexistent, I'd still be an ardent fan because I think it's such an incredible show.

While I do love Veronica Mars, I have some serious complaints with both the direction the show is going, and with people associated with the show (Kristen and Rob, I'm looking at you). I've never felt the kind of discouragement with The Office that I have with Veronica Mars. I've never felt completely let down by the show, but with Veronica Mars, I feel that way on a regular basis. Basically, as bad as it sounds, the only thing that keeps me hanging on is Logan/Veronica and the hope that they'll reunite. Without it and them, I'm not so sure I'd keep watching.