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24 November 2006 @ 06:16 am
VM 3.08 'Lord of the Pi's' L/V Thoughts  
Here is my new batch of analysis for the Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.

From a cerebral point of view, I very much enjoyed all of the Logan/Veronica scenes for one simple reason. They made sense; I understood exactly why Logan did everything that he did -- as heavy-handed as his actions were, just as I understood exactly where Veronica was coming from -- as seemingly cruel as her actions were. Honestly, I'm in a very good place right now (character-motivation-wise) with both Logan and Veronica. Again, from a non-emotional point of view ... the arc of this episode? I liked. This may come as a surprise and cause quite a few reactions of "yeah, right!", but really, I'm not horribly biased against Veronica and towards Logan like it, no doubt, seems pretty much all of the time. I just need to understand the motivation for stupid things they do. If they do stupid stuff, I can deal, but I need to buy and understand their motivation. And unfortunately, more often than not from season two on, I've been able to buy the motivation behind Logan's actions due to the layers and subtext that Jason Dohring continually adds, which was missing, in my opinion, from a lot of Kristen Bell's performances last season and in a few episodes this season. However, I saw layers, I read subtext and I was happy with the execution of what we got ... if not the results.

Now do I like this arc? No. Do I wish Rob Thomas would take his head out of his ass and write a heroine who is tough, unethical, snotty, sarcastic and yet still likeable as he did in season one? Of course. Do I like that Veronica, no doubt, broke Logan's heart into a million little pieces in that last scene? No. But the fact of the matter is that Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell spent last season giving us a Veronica who -- for the most part -- didn't appear to even care about Logan. Now, by showing hints of that mixed in with genuine -- albeit, confused -- love on her part, paired with the possibility of this actually leading somewhere, it may be the only way that Thomas can come up with to make her season two attitude towards Logan work. I don't know if that is truly possible, but if this all plays out with logical, character motivation intact, then it does give the Veronica/Logan arc of season one to season two to what we're seeing this season a semblance of making sense. And that will make me very, very happy.

On with the analysis....

Scene One: The Girl Who Avoids ... The Boy Who Confronts

In a line that was almost lost in the intensity of the rest of this scene, Veronica sadly proved my analysis from last week when placed in conjunction with her interaction with Keith. I wrote:
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... nothing sticks with Veronica. It doesn't matter what anybody does, once Veronica makes up her mind about them, her opinion doesn't change. She may be dating Logan -- hell, she's sleeping with him -- but it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't trust him and he's always, *always* guilty until proven innocent. Just like Duncan's actions didn't change her opinion of him and Keith's actions won't change her opinion of him come the next episode. Once she makes up her mind about someone -- that's it. It's all fine and dandy for Keith, because I'm sure she'll just go back to loving and adoring him unabashedly, but for Logan it'll be back to the same 'guilty until proven' innocent treatment.
And that's exactly what we got here. Everything was portrayed as fine and dandy with Veronica and Keith (to an absurd degree -- but that's for a different analysis), while the tension was still there between Logan and Veronica. And here's where we come to that line: Reminding Logan about Mercer and his "Mexican" alibi in a bratty tone of voice. If I put aside how very wrong I believe Veronica handled things last week and just accept that she has her point of view and go with it, then this tone of voice and attitude IS in character and does continue the arc that has been building through the course of the season.

Yes, he rescued her -- but it's not enough. She's still upset with him and very well may have been avoiding his phone calls deliberately. Do I think she was? Yes, I do. Not just because of the last scene, but because she was clearly still upset here -- it was there to read in her body language, facial expression and tone of voice -- and when Veronica is upset and not ready to deal with any given situation, she avoids. That's Veronica. And it is something about her that Logan is well-aware of and seemingly accepts for the most part. So, I felt for where Veronica was coming from. She is still upset, but she doesn't want to fight with him, she's trying to get her bearings and he's not giving her the space she needs. Is she right to not tell him how she's really feeling? No, absolutely not and I have no doubt it will come back and bite her in the ass. However, I understand WHY she's playing the avoidance game. Character motivation I can understand -- if not like -- is a very, very good thing in my book.

As for Logan ... well, his laying down the law edict was out of line and out of place. First of all, it doesn't matter how much he loves her or how scared he is, he had no right to order her to do anything. It shows an unwarranted lack of respect for her. It is her life and she has the right to live it with as much stupidity and risk as she wants. He could have spoken to Keith or Wallace or Mac or all three and have each approach her, together or separately. He could have tried talking to her softly, sincerely, explaining his concerns, offered to bodyguard her himself, but to take that tone with her ... I completely understood and identified with her "okay, now you're pissing me off." He had no right; none whatsoever.

However, that didn't stop me from agreeing with every word he said to her ... because someone had to! And it didn't stop my very 80's "buuuurn" when Logan -- his voice filled with restrained anger -- told Keith that maybe he should start yelling at Veronica. Why? Because he was right; again ... someone has to. Someone needs to keep Veronica in line. The girl has almost been killed twice and was just attacked. Keith is her father -- the one person whom she generally respects and admires -- and he may be the only person who can get her to take a step back and realize she needs to take better care of herself. Logan simply cannot be that person because there is still a wall around her heart where he is concerned. Keith is the only person that Veronica has allowed herself to love completely since Lilly's death; thus he is the only one who might be able to get past that wall. So bad call on how Logan played that. Very bad call. Yet, it's a call I understand him making ... just as I understand why Veronica was not very happy with him. Motivation that makes sense? Yay.

Scene Two: Does She Love Him? ... Yeah.

Veronica had every right to tear into Logan. EVERY RIGHT. If he wanted to hire her a bodyguard, that's groovy, but he needed to tell her! By not telling her, it became about more than just his fear for her safety and desire to protect her ... it was a power play. She told him to piss off, so fine, he pissed off and in response, played his move and it wasn't fair and it wasn't right and it is NOT how you conduct a relationship. The problem, however, is that Veronica has driven him to this point. Instead of talking to him when there is a problem, she avoids him. Instead of dealing head-on with the issues of trust at the heart of their relationship, she's chooses not to deal at all and that doesn't work with Logan like it did with Duncan (and Troy ... and Leo) because Logan does not resemble an ostrich in any way, shape or form. He does not ignore, avoid, or pretend everything is surface wonderful. That is not how he operates and she knows this, but continually refuses to adjust her relationship pattern to acknowledge it. And that is NOT how you conduct a relationship.

Two key points of a healthy relationship are communication and compromise -- both Logan and Veronica show a lack of success in the former, but Logan has been busting his ass on the latter and Veronica? Well, Veronica has been busting his ass despite his attempts and other than choosing to not track his car, has not even tried. This would be another sign that one has difficulty in conducting a relationship.

So then ... here comes the million dollar question: Do they love each other? Absolutely. However, they do not trust each other ... AT ALL. The only difference in their trust issues is that whereas Logan wants to trust Veronica, most of the time it appears as if Veronica doesn't even seem to think that she needs to. And she does. But she doesn't. And that brings us to Logan's question. I have read in so many places from so many different people that Veronica's answer and how she answered made it clear that, no, she does not love him. I have to say that this is one time where I am extremely thrilled to disagree with the majority. My read on that "yeah" was that she does, absolutely, love him. And it scares her senseless.

When Logan asked her, I think she paused because (a) it was the first time the question had been posed to her, period, not just about Logan, but about anyone since Lilly died and (b) I believe it was the first time she had ever even thought of whether she loved him or not. Also, based on her expression, I got the vibe that when Logan told her he loved her, it was the first time that he had done so since the summer before in the infamous X-Terra (sniff) shoot-out. So he opened a door that, I believe, had been closed for quite some time and then on top of that, he pulled her through it. And that is why I think we got the pause. She was thinking about it, not because she doesn't ... but because of their history, because of that wall and because she was asking herself the question for the first time. And her answer? "Yeah." Said with tears shimmering in her eyes, and a tinge of shock because I think she was more surprised by her answer than Logan was (and check out his reaction, he was a little surprised too). I think she's told herself without actually doing so that Logan is her "right now" boyfriend. What she shares with him is so different, so intense from the one relationship in which she believed she loved the guy -- with Logan, it's not easy, it's complicated and messy and passionate and it is work. So in that pause, she wasn't just asking his question of herself, she was doing a split-second reassessment of love itself .. and in that pause Logan was not found wanting.

However, while I completely believed that "yeah," as well as her agreement that they should be nicer to one another, her positive response to his "are we okay?" was a bald-faced lie. That was the avoidance girl we all know and love. She's still mad at him. Veronica is still upset about the alibi, about him keeping it from her ... but she probably feels that she can't call him on that anymore because, oh, yeah, he saved her life. So she still has simmering resentment that can't be appeased from that, in addition, he was yelling at her and ordering her around earlier AND let's not forget the reason she was there ripping him a new one to begin with: He went behind her back and hired a bodyguard without telling her. So, of course, it's not okay between them. She's still pissed off and justifiably so. Just because she realized she loves him, doesn't make everything all of a sudden sunshine and rosebuds.

And I believe that Kristen Bell played all of this beautifully. Upon first viewing, I thought Bell sold this scene, while Jason Dohring undersold it, however a second viewing offered a different point of view -- not regarding Bell, she absolutely shined here, but in how Dohring chose to play the scene. Going back to my write-up in President Evil:
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[Logan is] walking on eggshells, doing his damndest to not only NOT screw up so badly that he sends her running, but also walking on the eggshells of his heart. He's holding himself back because he knows now, he gets it. If he screws up, the consequences are that he'll get hurt ... again.
Dohring was holding back as a deliberately acting choice because Logan was holding back. Even when telling her he loved her, there was a hesitation to the words and I certainly read an expectation of the negative when he asked her. It was as if Logan grew subconsciously aware during the whole conversation that the moment was coming ... he would have to lay his heart down on the line again and say the words and this time, he would have to ask for her feelings in return or there was nothing to fight for. And he expected a brush-off, a quip or simply a "no." When she answered in the affirmative with tears shining in her eyes and he could tell she meant it, you could see the visible shaking off of a burden as he moved to her, took her in his arms, confident in touching her, holding her, wanting things to be right. Because that's how he operates ... when you love someone, you do it completely and openly.

Right now, however, Veronica Mars is not wired that way.

Scene Three: Ouch!

To be fair to both Logan and Veronica -- who I feel both deserve equality for their actions tonight, I'm going to address this scene from two different points of view: The emotional and cerebral. From a cerebral point of view, this scene made perfect sense. I completely understood exactly why Veronica did not answer that phone. On the other hand, I just as completely understood exactly why Logan thought the absolute worst when she didn't. Going back to the previous scene, as I stated above, I fully believe that Veronica was lying when she agreed that they were okay. She said "yeah," because she didn't want to fight anymore; she wasn't ready to just let go of her resentment and anger. Simply put, she needed more time. And that is why she didn't answer the phone. It wasn't because she doesn't love Logan, didn't mean that "yeah," but because she wasn't ready to be "okay" yet. Of course, Logan won't see that.

He can't see it ... because he doesn't trust her. He believed her (or, at least, he wanted to believe her) when she said she loved him and so he believed (wanted to believe) her when she agreed that they were okay. He doesn't realize that they were two separate things. She DOES love him. They are, however, NOT okay because she's still pissed that he was so heavy-handed and wants her to "change." So she needs space, she needs time to cool off. She can't just blow it off because she realizes she loves him; she's not wired that way. And frankly, she hasn't had to be, because, until now, that hasn't been a problem for her. The fact that she has this wall around her heart has not been an impediment in getting guys falling all over her and Logan has been the worst offender. Because he doesn't trust in Veronica's love, he's always trying to make things work with them because he believes that if he doesn't, the relationship will die.

0Veronica, on the other hand, knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Logan loves her, she knows that whatever crap she pulls, he's gonna be there. Therefore, she feels that she doesn't have to fight for it. She knows that she is in the position of power -- not that I think she even realizes this consciously, but there it is -- and in a healthy relationship, no partner should have more power than the other. So Veronica doesn't have to change, he does; she doesn't have to try to make it work because Logan loves her so much, he'll accept her, flaws and all. No, it's not a good way to have a relationship, but Logan has certainly put himself in that position. Now here they are ... Veronica feeling herself secure enough in the relationship that she can avoid him until she's ready and Logan feeling so insecure that when he sees her avoiding him, he can only see that she doesn't love him after all.

Before I continue, I want to touch upon the acting because it's a reverse of the previous scene. I believe that Dohring played his few seconds here with utter magnificence, while upon first viewing, I thought Bell undersold her moments. However, like the above scene, a second viewing changed my opinion -- not regarding Dohring, he hit it, but in how Bell chose to play the scene. There was enough tension in her frame, pause in her reaction and an almost-stiffness to her movement to suggest that Veronica was struggling, but she just needed time. So I give a hearty bravo to both for their performances throughout the Logan/Veronica arc in this episode.

Okay, that was my cerebral take -- I see Logan's point of view, just as I see Veronica's point of view, but emotionally? I was a mess. I cannot watch, cannot think about that final scene without my heart breaking. Even understanding that Veronica does love Logan; even getting that Logan was taking her action in the worst possible way ... it was still the most painful moment in the history of LoVe. The look on his face, the way he closed the phone, held it to his lips, the devastation in his eyes and then the camera pulling away, it was just absolutely painful and because, yet again, Veronica was the one doing the devastating, it was much easier for many to turn against her.

I'm hoping that something happens in the following episode to even it out because -- from an emotional point of view -- I'm still upset with her because of last week and that does carry over. And yet, this week, if anyone is more to blame for acting like an idiot, it's totally Logan. He was extremely high-handed and disrespectful of her feelings. However, and this is where the character motivation comes in, I get why he was that way, and so I'm less inclined to be pissed at him because I'm still pissed about the crap Veronica pulled last week ... wherein, I could not understand so much of what she did. Even being able to do so this week, it still felt like my heart was breaking right alongside Logan's as he watched her ignore him.

{{Sigh}} and so once again, we end an episode with the oft-repeated refrain ... poor Logan!
 
 
 
polarthestral on November 24th, 2006 12:41 pm (UTC)
Since these scenes were the only part of the episode I enjoyed, I really liked reading your analysis of them. I don't agree with absolutely everything but it is a well supported argument and I do agree that I could mostly see the perspective of both sides (including Veronica not answering the phone because she had no idea Logan was watching and many people do that when they're annoyed with their partner).

My heart literally split in two at the way Jason Dohring expressed so much while moving so little in the final scene. I love how his hand shook a little as he slipped his phone closed, I love how he pressed it to his lips and had the woobie long sleeves; I love the way he stood there, arms closed around himself and kept staring . . . man. He's a masochistic, lost little boy so desperate for love that he lets himself get abused over and over again while he tries to make it work. He's been the one trying so hard to make their relationship work: changing his personality, chasing her to fix their relationship when they fight, trying to protect her from everything. He's got nothing back that she wouldn't give to a stranger. They aren't in what I'd call a relationship because I don't feel like she's putting anything in. And you can tell, in that last scene that maybe he's finally coming to the realisation that he can't do this on his own - no matter what he does, it doesn't mean anything if she doesn't think he's worth struggling for.

You can see in his face that he thinks he's failed to find someone that truly loves him yet again. We know that expression and he knows that feeling of complete and utter rejection. You could see it all come crashing down - all his hopes and dreams for this relationship, and it was all in the stillness of this vibrant, energetic and gosh darn dramatic character. Logan is heartbreaking when he's completely still and Jason Dohring just shattered my heart into tiny, tiny pieces. He's amazing, I'll miss watching him perform so much when this show is cancelled.

I really felt like this scene, the way the camera withdrew and he became so still and contemplative . . . it looked so much like what I imagined Logan must have looked like while watching Lilly move on without him at the carwash. The fact that that immediately registered in my mind broke my heart a little more, because I never wanted to see Logan give up on Veronica after he'd taken so much shit from her . . . giving up is resigning one's self to the fact that nothing can change and he'll never get what he wants from her. Just like Lilly and Lynn and Aaron and everyone else he's ever loved.

That scene killed me and I'm really upset that I hated the writing across the rest of the episode because I thought Jason Dohring was utterly magnificent - so wonderfully dynamic that I've been letting him break my heart over and over again as I replay his scenes.

And it's great to see such a positive response from you Jennifer, even if I'm still miserable :)
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on November 24th, 2006 01:00 pm (UTC)
I agree completely about everything you wrote. Just because I understood, just because I got the motivation doesn't mean I didn't hate it; I did. It's just so nice seeing actually motivation from both of them that I can't not enjoy it.

And I really do believe that Veronica loves him -- I just think (and this sounds awful, but I think it's true) that she needs to really and truly believe she's completely lost him before she'll get it. She just takes him so completely for granted.

I don't know -- again, I get the motivation, so I'm happy about that, but I still hate that Rob Thomas is even going here, but then again, for all we know it may be necessary. It may be the only way he can figure out how to deal with Kristen Bell's biased against Logan and LoVe. Who knows? I just know it's simply not fun being a LoVe fan. Of course, it hasn't been fun since season one.
sweetumms33sweetumms33 on November 24th, 2006 04:26 pm (UTC)
I really felt like this scene, the way the camera withdrew and he became so still and contemplative . . . it looked so much like what I imagined Logan must have looked like while watching Lilly move on without him at the carwash.

Totally agree. This was Logan finally jumping ship. I think on some level, Logan is used to being abused. He's never had a healthy relationship with anyone, as far as we can see. She said yes about loving him, but lied about it being okay. As the viewer we get it, but being in his position, I can completely understand why he believed she lied about both. The scene in the Neptune Grand is so great because you can see how well Logan knows Veronica, knows how her mind works, and just takes it. For my part, I was suprised at how little Veronica knew him. The minute he snapped at Keith and walked out, I knew he wasn't just going to let it go, and just hope to be around to save the day again.
I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive. They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do. There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the past Keith has done that.
Jason Dohring can do more with the twitch of a hand, and blinking than most actors can do with an entire movie. The end had me reaching out for him and just wanting to hold him. Poor Logan.

This was an amazing cover, you hit a lot of points!
Arabian: Logan_Hiarabian on November 25th, 2006 09:35 am (UTC)
Yup, I agree with Belinda too. Poor, woobie Logan!

I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive.

I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.

They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do.

In the end probably, but he handled it badly. He was extremely high-handed and disrespectful. Was he right? Yeah. But he handled it badly.

There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the past Keith has done that.

She does need to be controlled, but not by her boyfriend. And by Logan just stepping in like he thought he had the right to do so was wrong.

Jason Dohring can do more with the twitch of a hand, and blinking than most actors can do with an entire movie. The end had me reaching out for him and just wanting to hold him. Poor Logan.

I KNOW!!!

This was an amazing cover, you hit a lot of points!

Thank you!
Annie: Logan's peace signannie_oakley on November 25th, 2006 03:40 pm (UTC)
I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.


But I really got the feeling Logan's hands were tied here. He couldn't go to Wallace, because Veronica would treat Wallace's concern in the same manner that she treated Logan's, and if they tried to be sneaky and just make sure that someone was there with her to keep her safe, she would know what's up in a heartbeat and rebel. And someone couldn't be there all the time, anyway.

And he couldn't tell Keith everything he knew, because Veronica made it clear that she didn't want that. Logan knew that if Keith was in the loop, he would be doing everything he could to protect her. But he's not and Logan is, and so I think Logan felt a lot of responsibility to make sure she was safe. He knew if he went to Keith with the complete truth, Veronica would never forgive him for that. And Veronica was continuing to evade him and telling him to piss off, yadda, yadda, so he probably felt like he had no other choice but to hire someone to keep her safe. I think he knows Veronica well enough to know that if he had asked her, "Hey, I'm really concerned about your safety and I want to hire someone to protect you," she would have just balked at the mere idea. The point, one that I think they've been building up to for most of the series, is that Veronica does think she's invincible and ultimately right in everything she does. I'm so glad Logan called her on that. It just proved how well he knows her. I think in a lot of ways, he knows her better than anyone, including Keith.


The part about him demanding she drop the rape case, I agree with. I hated his choice of words and the way he seemed to want to control her. But I still get where he's coming from, because just seconds before he enters their house, we hear about how she's still not taking his calls. Veronica seems a bit annoyed that he's showed up when all she wants to do is go off on another assignment and forget some more about what almost happened to her. Logan keeps telling her that they need to have a talk, and has been telling her that for awhile, and she's blown it off. I think Logan would have taken a better approach initially, but he saw her once again ready to run off somewhere rather than try and hear out his fears, and he just lost it. Every moment she's out there doing what she does is a moment he's terrified for her safety, and I don't think he could take it anymore. So what may have once been a rehearsed speech about why he thinks she should drop the case has turned into an angry demand. In addition to the incredible acting Jason does at the end of the episode, (hell, the entire episode) I really loved his choices here. He comes to her, calm and wanting to talk. She's ready to take off again. He gets impatient and says he'll make it quick, and gets straight to the point with all of his concerns. His tone and word choice here isn't so demanding yet, but more of a plea with reasoning. "I want you to stay away from the rape case. K, just let it go. It's clear the rapist knows who you are.." And then Veronica tries to hush him, because her dad is really in the dark here and she wants to keep it that way. Logan knows that's not smart, but she won't have it. And that's where I think he's resigned himself to being the only one who can keep her safe here, and he doesn't care what it costs. He's angry and his tone starts to change. I love his line about her putting her nose where it doesn't belong, because that's such a knee-jerk reaction to being afraid for her safety. His voice slowly starts to raise until she says he's pissing her off, and he loses it. He no longer cares if she's annoyed with him, or angry with him, or whatever. Her safety is his only concern.
Annieannie_oakley on November 25th, 2006 03:40 pm (UTC)
And I just wanted to add one more thing:
I think the thing that pushed me more onto Logan's side of the argument here (in addition to that painful to look at, I can't watch it again FACE at the end) is that he once again proved to me why he's my favorite character. Here's this guy who is constantly being described as a fuck up, who's supposed to be so immature and assholish, but he's showing once again just how smart and dedicated he is. He knew what he did was wrong, but it didn't matter because he only cared about her being protected. He loves her more than anything, and she's the only person he really has left in his life, and he was willing to risk alienating her or even losing her just to keep her safe. That's love to me. That's a mature love to me. He's strong and knows when to stand up for himself, and he's just so aware of everything that's going on. I love that awareness. I think it's one of the things that sets him apart from Veronica, because no matter how smart she is and good at what she does, when it comes down to it, she just can't read people and situations like Logan can when it counts.
Arabian: Peace_LEarabian on November 25th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
I really got the feeling Logan's hands were tied here. He couldn't go to Wallace, because Veronica would treat Wallace's concern in the same manner that she treated Logan's, and if they tried to be sneaky and just make sure that someone was there with her to keep her safe, she would know what's up in a heartbeat and rebel. And someone couldn't be there all the time, anyway.

I know that it wouldn't have worked, but we needed to see that he at least made the attempt. It was like caring, understanding boyfriend and then bam caveman, you do what I say when I say it now. It was just so very much the wrong approach.

And he couldn't tell Keith everything he knew, because Veronica made it clear that she didn't want that.

He knew that only after ordering Veronica around. He could have talked to Keith and mentioned it, not realizing or thinking for a second that Keith wouldn't have known.

Logan knew that if Keith was in the loop, he would be doing everything he could to protect her.

No, he didn't, because he was surprised that Keith didn't know about the hair.

But he's not and Logan is, and so I think Logan felt a lot of responsibility to make sure she was safe. He knew if he went to Keith with the complete truth, Veronica would never forgive him for that. And Veronica was continuing to evade him and telling him to piss off, yadda, yadda, so he probably felt like he had no other choice but to hire someone to keep her safe. I think he knows Veronica well enough to know that if he had asked her, "Hey, I'm really concerned about your safety and I want to hire someone to protect you," she would have just balked at the mere idea.

Right, but this is all stuff that he would have known AFTER the first scene. He didn't know before that conversation that Keith was out of the loop, he didn't know that Keith wasn't keeping her safe, he didn't know any of that. He just barged in and ordered her around, it was during this conversation that he found out Keith wasn't part of the equation.

I get and agree with the bodyguard hiring (although he SHOULD have told her), but not this scene. He should have talked to Keith first. That was where he screwed up.

The point, one that I think they've been building up to for most of the series, is that Veronica does think she's invincible and ultimately right in everything she does. I'm so glad Logan called her on that. It just proved how well he knows her. I think in a lot of ways, he knows her better than anyone, including Keith.

Right, I agree with this completely.

The part about him demanding she drop the rape case, I agree with. I hated his choice of words and the way he seemed to want to control her. But I still get where he's coming from, because just seconds before he enters their house, we hear about how she's still not taking his calls.

Right, and that's what I wrote. I agree with him, everything that was said NEEDED TO BE SAID, but it was how he approached it that was so very wrong.

So what may have once been a rehearsed speech about why he thinks she should drop the case has turned into an angry demand. In addition to the incredible acting Jason does at the end of the episode, (hell, the entire episode) I really loved his choices here.

I see where you're coming, I see where Logan was coming from and as I said, Veronica PUSHED him into doing this, but it doesn't make it right how he did it. Just like understanding where she's coming from doesn't make her actions right.

I agree with everything you wrote about Logan in your second post. Even if he didn't handle it correctly, unlike Veronica, his mistakes are born out of love, not running away from it.
WeHo M.: Lyrics - Breathe Meafrocurl on November 24th, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
You don't know how much I enjoy reading these each week.

I understand your points about character motivation, but it doesn't stop these scenes from breaking my heart. The last one just about killed me dead, and considering I was in someone else's house after a two hours drive, I didn't need that emotional baggage.

At this point, I would love nothing more than to know that LV spend more time together in scenes we aren't seeing, because the character motivation is hard to get at otherwise (unless I'm just not spending enough time watching the episodes.)

Poor Logan is right. I can't tell if I should look forward to next week at all or not.
Arabian: Hot!Hot!Hot!arabian on November 25th, 2006 09:39 am (UTC)
You don't know how much I enjoy reading these each week.

Aww, thank you so much! :)

I understand your points about character motivation, but it doesn't stop these scenes from breaking my heart.

Oh, agreed and that's why I added the bit about the cerebral vs. the emotional. If I only hit emotional, I'd be ranting and weeping with much gnashing of teeth.

The last one just about killed me dead, and considering I was in someone else's house after a two hours drive, I didn't need that emotional baggage.

Yeah, I really can't think about it, can't watch it (and I haven't really watched it much) without just wanting to cry ... so, so very painful. Just heart-wrenching.

At this point, I would love nothing more than to know that LV spend more time together in scenes we aren't seeing, because the character motivation is hard to get at otherwise (unless I'm just not spending enough time watching the episodes.)

No, you're right. It's not like I just watch it and there it is, I need to look for it, but this week was less than most and at this point I'm grateful for small mercies with this show.

Poor Logan is right. I can't tell if I should look forward to next week at all or not.

I'm at the point where I just want the pain to stop. Gah!
change_of_fate: LoVe Stolen Momentschange_of_fate on November 24th, 2006 06:40 pm (UTC)
Well I liked how you explained the motivation behind each characters actions in those three scenes....it helps me think more about what is really goin on and what is going to happpen!
Arabian: Stair-kissingarabian on November 25th, 2006 09:40 am (UTC)
Well, I'm glad you feel that ... it's nice knowing that these are helping some viewers. I certainly spend enough time on them, LOL!
Hufflepuff Forever!: Logan adorablejacedesbff on November 25th, 2006 04:38 pm (UTC)
You know, lately I have been avoiding people's episode recaps b/c they seem to be coming from the POV of people beginning to hate the show/Veronica/the world as we know it, etc. This, though, *this* was beautiful. Really. :-) Well thought-out and reasoned from both the heart and the mind. So thank you first of all for the outstanding commentary and secondly, for it being obvious that you love the show. Wonderful observations. :-)

...poor Logan.
Arabian: Logan = Emo Boyarabian on November 25th, 2006 09:40 pm (UTC)
You know, lately I have been avoiding people's episode recaps b/c they seem to be coming from the POV of people beginning to hate the show/Veronica/the world as we know it, etc.

Yeah, me too. Sigh. Okay, wait, I was really, really frustrated with Veronica last week, but this week in regards to LoVe, I got where she was coming from (even if it was paiful).

This, though, *this* was beautiful. Really. :-) Well thought-out and reasoned from both the heart and the mind. So thank you first of all for the outstanding commentary and secondly,

Aww, thank you.

for it being obvious that you love the show. Wonderful observations. :-)

Well, I don't love the show anymore, but the thing is that I still very, very desperately want to. And I still very very much want to love Veronica. So every time they give me something to hang a star upon, I'm going to grab it because I still think the foundation and potential is so THERE!!!!

...poor Logan.

Sigh, yes, poor, poor woobie Logan.
Maybe I'm an Ocean: fandomjadis17 on November 26th, 2006 07:59 am (UTC)
Word.
On review I am thinking that Veronica's attitude this season is a specific and brave character choice. I only hope they can pay it off.

Rather like Duncan's non-persona in season 1. His sister died and he dealt by shutting down. I don't really think we saw much of what Duncan was like before Lily died until season 2, that's a long time to wait for a characters emotional equilibrium to return. It's real, and I love it, but it's a risky move while you wait for the point at which you see the tide turn.

I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. In any case I love your review and I say you nailed much of the emotions behind the scenes. good job.
Arabian: Newton's 2nd Lawarabian on November 27th, 2006 12:04 am (UTC)
On review I am thinking that Veronica's attitude this season is a specific and brave character choice. I only hope they can pay it off.

I agree. Hopefully, there WILL be a payoff this time. I do believe the "normal" was supposed to be a choice with the payoff being that that wasn't her, but for whatever reason that fell through. Hopefully the same won't happen this year.

Rather like Duncan's non-persona in season 1. His sister died and he dealt by shutting down. I don't really think we saw much of what Duncan was like before Lily died until season 2, that's a long time to wait for a characters emotional equilibrium to return. It's real, and I love it, but it's a risky move while you wait for the point at which you see the tide turn.

Yuppers!!!

I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. In any case I love your review and I say you nailed much of the emotions behind the scenes. good job.

It does and thank you. I appreciate the comment! :D
Lauren: LoVe onlyrisewiththefall on November 27th, 2006 03:45 am (UTC)
I also have to add my praise to your excellent analysis of Logan and Veronica each week. I've been lurking at the LoVe Shack since about April, and your analysis of what's going on in their heads really keeps me as a LoVe fan going when the times are less than ideal for us. Like now (sigh).



Anyway, I've spoiled myself to no end about the coming episode, and I was wondering if maybe you could tell me your thoughts on where this overall arc is going, perhaps? You seem slightly more confident than I am about Veronica's character and the future of LoVe. I could certainly use whatever thoughts are in your head right now!
Arabian: Newton's 2nd Lawarabian on November 27th, 2006 06:34 am (UTC)
I also have to add my praise to your excellent analysis of Logan and Veronica each week.

Aww thank you!!

I've been lurking at the LoVe Shack since about April, and your analysis of what's going on in their heads really keeps me as a LoVe fan going when the times are less than ideal for us. Like now (sigh).

Well, I'm glad that I'm able to do that for you. It's fun for me and it certainly makes the time and effort I put into worth the while.

Anyway, I've spoiled myself to no end about the coming episode, and I was wondering if maybe you could tell me your thoughts on where this overall arc is going, perhaps? You seem slightly more confident than I am about Veronica's character and the future of LoVe. I could certainly use whatever thoughts are in your head right now!

I can't share ... but I swear as soon as the info breaks, I will put out my thought process and I remain very positive. I do think there is a definite rhyme to this reason.