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10 November 2006 @ 12:52 am
VM 3.06 'Hi Infidelity' L/V Thoughts  
Here is my new batch of analysis for the Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.

Scene One: The Little Moments

There were a few bites to this scene, but mostly I just loved the lovey-dovey, touchy-feely and overall couple-y aspect here. Veronica holding onto his manly forearm for several seconds before lifting it up to slide into the seat next to him, resting her bent arm upon his shoulder/chest through the rest of the scene and casually taking his drink and sipping from the straw. It was fun to, you know, just watch and smile and squee at the pretty and the pretty of the couple and the ultra-pretty of the pretty couple acting so like a couple. I liked plenty.

As for the bite, well, you had the reference to Logan as a bad boy again, although, to be fair, this wasn't much more than a little nibble. It was commented upon rather casually in a throwaway, quipping manner. Still, the fact that the "bad boy" moniker is still being used -- even in the above sense -- is one that I'm not entirely comfortable with considering Rob Thomas' defining of Logan as the bad boy and how that appeared to justify the non-stop crap that was handed to the character, including Veronica's less-than-pleasant treatment. The other bit that rankled slightly was in regards to Veronica's commentary on Logan referencing the Jane Austen novel, Emma. We could take it as merely a riff on a guy referencing Jane Austen, but taking into account the fact that Veronica has made more than one reference to Logan's lack of intellectual prowess, I must admit that my mind went there. And I didn't like the journey. Logan is NOT stupid and I'm growing weary of possible inferences on Veronica's part that he is. Of course, it could have been the whole guy referencing Jane Austen thing, but still ... I'm leery.

We also had Logan questioning whether Veronica was dragging him off to an intellectual treatise of which he had no interest. Good? Bad? I dunno, but it was a sure sign of continuity and that I like. Therefore, I'm going to just accept that it was simply writer John Enbom (who co-wrote the deliciously divine LoVe storyline of Wichita Linebacker which began with Logan's lack of interest in taking part in merely academic pursuits) being consistent -- even during the little moments -- with their interaction. So ... good.

Overall, I really enjoyed this scene despite the fact that there was nothing overt about their relationship. What I found so lovely was how they were acting so very much like a couple. Veronica's casual tactile attitude towards him, and his complete lack of reaction to it as if it was completely natural. Veronica leaning on him, sipping from his straw, the two talking about random events in their day, her asking him to go bowling and then the brief discussion about Mac and Parker. All of their interaction played out as two people who are intimately and actively involved in the other's life. And I liked plenty ... lots.

Scene Two: Every Moment Counts

Like all of their interaction in this episode, there was just a very couply feel. Veronica using her key, the over the top, but still sweet "Honey, I'm home," the quick kiss, sitting next to one another and again, the simple discussion of their day. All together it just created an aura of a young, happy couple at peace with one another and in love. And as each episode passes, the time bomb of their relationship ticks louder and louder so every moment we get that shows how very well they do function as a couple is much appreciated.

Scene Three: Hee!

Hee! Really, that's my immediate and final response to this scene: Hee! As in funny, and in hah! hee! Veronica is jealous. And I love. I don't think we've ever truly witnessed direct jealousy from Veronica over Logan. Sure, it's been hinted at (and then denied), but here, there was no question. She was jealous. And not in a bad way, but in a possessive, 'he's mine, don't touch! you nice, pretty person even if you're helping me' way.

And I didn't remotely have a problem with Logan not introducing Veronica as his girlfriend. While he clearly was not (and had not) led Tina on -- judging from her reaction to Veronica's claiming of Logan -- he still may have figured there was a touch of a little crush there. So, then why would he rub it in her face especially since he was asking her to do a favor for Veronica? Doesn't make sense and was a people-smart strategy. Go Logan. On the other hand, while he may not have announced her as his girlfriend, neither did he hide their relationship. He did, after all, blow her a little kiss (squee!) in the middle of the conversation. So good for Logan all around.

As for his girlfriend's possessive streak coming out, let me say it again ... Hee! I loved. Her "girlfriend of Logan. My boyfriend." was just so hee! Completely unnecessary, but absolutely hilarious and squee-worthy for LoVe fans who have longed for verbal acknowledgment of their relationship from Veronica. Yes, we've got it from episode three and on, but it's never not nice to hear and particularly so in an amusing fashion as delivered here.

So ... hee!

Scene Four:: The "Gang's" All Here!

Not so hee! was the opening of this scene before Logan showed up with his verbal acknowledgement that drew forth another round of the "hee's!" First of all, we had Veronica's reaction to Logan's arrival. It was an unfortunate reminder to her reaction to Logan in Normal is the Watchword in The Java Hut flashback. And equally unfortunate, it reminded me of the difference with a negative slant to Welcome Wagon as I wrote in that case file:
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[Veronica] ... appeared self-conscious when her boyfriend kissed her in front of [Duncan]. Here, Piz was barely a blip on her radar even when he was talking to her and once Logan showed up, all of her attention was upon him.
Sadly, we got a return to the second season premiere reaction. When Logan walked up and Piz's face fell in such an overwhelmingly obvious fashion that he might as well have been wearing a sign that read "I wuv you, Veronica!" (nice subtlety there from Chris Lowell ... not), Veronica looked uncomfortable. Why? If Veronica is supposedly and uncharacteristically stupidly blind to Piz's crush, why would she be uncomfortable? Because like in Normal is the Watchword she'd prefer to be with the guy she was talking to (Duncan then, Piz now) rather than her boyfriend (Logan, both times, sigh)? That's the only thing that makes sense about that look, and of course, that makes no sense in light of Veronica's love for Logan and supposed obliviousness to Piz's crush. So bad call by Kristen Bell. (Not the first and not the last in regard to the subtext between Veronica and Piz in this episode. Grrrr.)

Secondly, let's get this out there. Piz? Is a sleaze. He barely knows Veronica. He's based this neverending crush of his on a few hours of acquaintance and the fact that she's hot? Ridiculous ... especially at this point, almost two months down the road while in college, surrounded by scores of attractive California girls, with no encouragement from Veronica whatsoever. She has a boyfriend; he knows this and yet he's still acting like a lovesick puppy to her face, to her boyfriend's face and it's just pathetic and here's where we get to the sleazy part. Hello!?! His intention earlier was TOTALLY to ask her out on a "date" of sorts. It wasn't until she asked if he meant the two of them, that he drew Wallace's name out of a hat and then the lame "gang." Because you see, obviously, there was no gang. And Wallace was an afterthought when Veronica made it clear that just going bowling with him was not an option (although, I do feel strongly that Bell could have delivered that line with a bit more of that acknowledgement). Of course, even bringing Wallace into the equation, the fact that he asked no one else -- again! -- made it crystal clear that he was thinking of attempting to strike (no pun intended) some sparks with her. He has to know that Wallace has a completely-non-romantic relationship with Veronica, so Piz would have no romantic competition in such a setting.

When Wallace couldn't show up, there was no one else, leaving just Piz and Veronica, which left him claiming that he was "worried" about how it looked. Obviously he really wasn't ... since -- again! -- he asked NO ONE ELSE! When she questioned him about the gang (as did Parker) his hopes were crystal clear for all -- or in the case of Veronica and Parker's sudden stupidity, just Logan -- to see. There was never a "gang," there was just supposed to be Piz and Veronica, with the last-minute add-on of Wallace to cover that the sleaze-ball was asking out a girl who is in a serious, committed relationship. And of course, he had no explanation other than the obvious and so he badly, baldly side-stepped it. So, Piz = sleaze. Ahh, once again, Rob Thomas shows a singular talent for making the worst "good" guys ever on a television series!

Of course, on the other hand, his bad boy is just wonderful and easily as capable of providing the "hee" as is his heroine ... and here, in the perfectly reversed situation of the previous scene we had that hee! Logan introducing himself to Piz with the reminder, "her boyfriend" was just delicious. The smirk and knowing gleam in Jason Dohring's eyes as he staked his claim and then asked Piz, with faux innocent tongue-in-cheek cheer, "do you always go bowling? With the 'gang?'" was awesome. Just hysterical. HEE!

Scene Five: Trash-talking, Refreshments and Bad Bowling

There were some moments relationship-wise that I found very cute here and some not. At all. And I blame both Enbom and Bell for my distaste. Why in heaven's name when Parker asked about Piz did Veronica immediately jump in way too hastily with the comment that she had a boyfriend? The lone purpose for such a line of dialogue is to make viewers think that the only reason Veronica isn't with Piz/doesn't think of him that way is because she has a boyfriend. And I'm sorry, but EXCUSE ME!? Past the first episode -- which was mostly set-up -- Veronica has had barely any interaction with the guy beyond his annoying radio-push from episode three where he seemed to barely exist on her radar. And now all of a sudden we have a hint that she would be interested in him did she not have a boyfriend? Putting aside the whole LoVe aspect, nothing, absolutely nothing thus far has indicated in any way, shape or form that Veronica Mars would be interested in a guy like this. Absolutely nothing. Oh, and when you factor in the LoVe aspect, there's the fact that this season has FINALLY! managed to convince viewers that Veronica truly does love Logan, she truly does want to be with him. So the line really, REALLY bugged.

Then there was not only the delivery, but how Bell played the entire scene from that point on. As they weren't LoVe scenes, I didn't analyze the Piz/Veronica scene, but I will say here that I was not particularly impressed with the eyes all aglow look she was giving him in their first scene. As well, I was none too pleased with how she said "the two of us?" when he asked her bowling without any trace of 'dude, I have a boyfriend!' And of course, I did mention above how I liked even less the moment of discomfort she displayed when Piz looked upset by Logan's arrival. Bell has done a very good job this season of showing that Veronica loves Logan and pretty much in the first and definitely in the third, she showed that Veronica was not interested at all in Piz -- because you know she has a boyfriend who she loves! Well, her personal bias against Logan and Veronica and for the great Piz-meister showed up way too loud and clear for me (and many other viewers) in this episode. The entire subtext of the final moments of this scene revolved around a Veronica who was uncomfortable with Parker liking Piz and the look of -- God help me! -- almost yearning that she sent while Piz badly bowled made me want to hurl something at my TV.

Yes, the whole 'I hate asking someone if they like someone else' scenario voiceover we heard later supposedly made sense of her look of dismay at the end of this scene, but it was too little too late. First of all, again, Bell overplayed it. Veronica, in that conversation with Parker, came across as someone who was interested in Piz for many viewers. It's as simple and infuriating as that. Secondly, it was yet another little ploy by the writer to misdirect viewers -- we didn't know that Veronica had issues with Parker's request at that point, so all viewers could take from her reaction was that she was upset that Parker liked Piz. And finally, for that scene that showed up later (which again, I won't be analyzing ... not LoVe), it was laid on just a tad too thick. She was THAT uncomfortable asking if he liked Parker? Really? Nuh uh, too much. Way too much. Laid on way too thick. Not happy, folks. Sincerely not happy. Make it make sense and I'll put up with all the angst you want, but don't throw stuff at me just to justify a triangle out of the blue that makes no sense for character or story.

Ahem.

On a happier note ... what I found quite entertaining was the same thing I referenced before: Logan's amused possessiveness with Veronica which was clearly all for Piz's sake. As mentioned above, Logan clearly saw right through him and was just as clearly -- albeit subtly and with humor -- staking his claim. We once again had an over-the-top endearment ("Dearest darling ... ") offered with a smirk and laughter bubbling behind the words. And, while Veronica may have annoyed once he left, I also found the responding look she sent his way (clearly seeing right through him) rather cute.

Scene Six: Casual Comfort in the Coupling

Like the first two scenes, this one again doesn't offer much for analysis; it is simply Logan and Veronica in a very couple-like state. Their entire interaction was casual and comfortable. The two talked about different aspects of their life -- like the first scene, offering insight into the fact that the two share experiences about their lives with one another.

Some have wondered at Logan referencing Horshack and Rafe (from the prison experiment in My Big Fat Greek Rush Week) and it may have some deeper meaning for the overall arc (I doubt it, but who knows with this show), it may have just been dialogue in line with the cheating aspect of this episode. Or simply, it might have been Enbom's way of establishing that Logan and Veronica ARE in a serious relationship, they share what happens when the other isn't there because they are sharing their lives with one another. They don't live in separate bubbles and since I do believe (absolutely at last) that Logan and Veronica are the endgame, such small moments are necessary in showing this aspect of their relationship.

It's not all just contention, snark and passion (we're led to believe they're passionate, whether or not we've only sorta seen two instances of it this season). There is also love, there is commitment, there is sharing and genuine friendship and comfort. I like.

Scene Seven: The Sunshine of His Life

And what do we have here? A lovely acknowledgement (and a much lighter one than the one we received in Wichita Linebacker) that Logan is most amused by Veronica's sleuthing techniques. Seriously. Veronica accused this guy with not much proof at all, just a'jumping away to conclusion as is the Veronica Mars way and Logan's response is to smirk and quip about his rank in wealth and then (hah!) show a rather perverted sense of pride in Veronica's ability to annoy ... annoy like the wind! It was -- as most of their scenes this episode -- just so hee! Really. Just so very hee! Kissing her forehead while he comments that his girl (squee!) brings sunshine to all she knows (an obvious 'the opposite of' statement) was just so, guh! I loved it. We really did get some wonderfully sweet, charming, funny, awesome couple moments in this episode and this scene just offered one of those many fabulous moments.

Scene Eight: 'Trust Me' -- Gulp!

Oh, Logan. Logan, Logan, Logan ... I don't know what to say. Sigh. The last time Logan asked Veronica to trust him, she upped and ran out on him once his back was turned when she discovered something bad that there was no proof he had anything to do with. Veronica and trust has not gone merrily hand in hand for Logan Echolls like, oh, ever. Ever, ever, ever. Oh, Logan.

Is there any doubt for any viewer that Veronica won't trust him? Any whatsoever? Even a smidgen? Of course not. Because Veronica DOESN'T trust Logan. Wichita Linebacker showed that clearly. Sure, she showed a slight degree of trust by taking out the bug, but that was brought on more by guilt and the fear of losing Logan, rather than actual trust in him. And yes, she offered to try and act unnaturally, but the fact of the matter is her instinctual reaction is to not trust him still. And so him asking her that ... oy vey.

I commented last week that Logan is walking on eggshells with her and that, in part, explains his somewhat overall subdued attitude.
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He doesn't trust that if he messes up again, she won't walk away, breaking his heart yet one more time. And because he doesn't trust her, he's walking on eggshells, doing his damndest to not only NOT screw up so badly that he sends her running, but also walking on the eggshells of his heart. He's holding himself back because he knows now, he gets it. If he screws up, the consequences are that he'll get hurt ... again. Those are the consequences. And he feels, perhaps thinks that he knows, that if he puts his heart all out on the line again for her, knowing her, she'll leave him again no matter what he does. And the consequences of that are that this time he may be broken beyond repair. Those are the potential consequences and Logan Echolls finally understands their power.
Well, we've seen a bit more light-heartedness from him since Wichita Linebacker through Charlie Don't Surf and in the last episode, President Evil, Veronica had opened up enough that she was doing things FOR him and involving him in her cases, thus an important part of her life. That -- and his obvious desire to help his friend -- may be what had Logan coming to Veronica, eyes in full-on puppy-dog mode of earnestness, wearing his heart fully on his sleeve, opening himself up to her by simply asking her to trust him was a Logan we haven't seen with Veronica since the night of the Alterna-prom.

And {{sigh}} of course she won't. As much as we'd love to see her give the complete trust to Logan that she has given wholeheartedly (and inexplicably) only to Duncan), it ain't gonna happen. Not now. She's not ready yet. Who knows? Maybe she never will be. And that right there leads us to what is likely coming up: A break-up. To be honest, as much as I love seeing them together as a couple, I do think a break-up is necessary ... from Logan's end. Veronica needs to know that she needs to give 100% back to him. She needs to learn to trust him, to believe in him. Until she does, he can never trust her with his heart completely and they can never truly make it work. It really is sad because it has been made clear this season that Veronica DOES love Logan and that he IS right for her ... but she has got to learn to trust him. Unless she realizes that trust is part of the equation and one that he won't tolerate not having, she'll never truly make the effort to do so.

I guess the question then to ask is should she trust him? I think so. Yes, he treated her horribly after Lilly's death, but it didn't take her long to give as good as she got and then some. And even worse, once they had supposedly gotten over that, she accused him of rape and murder. And then she broke up with him when he had no one and went back to her old boyfriend in a matter of days. The balance is pretty damn equal now, if not tipped slightly in his favor. Logan has done more than enough to prove he is worthy of her trust. She just needs to take that step and DO IT! Will she before it's too late? Unfortunately, I think not.

Sigh.
 
 
 
jeannie_bean137: seXterrajeannie_bean137 on November 10th, 2006 09:59 am (UTC)
Make it make sense and I'll put up with all the angst you want, but don't throw stuff at me just to justify a triangle out of the blue that makes no sense for character or story.
*agrees wholeheartedly*
I have no problem with a good ole' love triangle, but this just feels rushed, badly written, desperate, and like they are shoving it down our throats. Honestly, there were a billion different ways they could've taken their relationship plot line, but instead they take the easy way out and make them break up within the next season even though it makes no sense with the story or the characters, like you said.

The most pathetic thing I found is that Keith had a steamier love scene than Veronica and Logan did. I find this a cheap way to make the new viewers prefer Piz and Veronica. They think if they show as little of the passion LoVe have with eachother than when they have Piz and Veronica get together the lack of chemistry won't be so obvious because we had only scene two passionate LoVe scenes anyway. What happened to secret bathroom meetings and hot Xterra makeout scenes?

I miss having faith in this show and it's direction. :/ And I'm not upset just because Logan and V aren't going to be together. It's a bit inevitable and frankly I like the snarky-ness they have when they aren't together as well, but it's the way they are handling it. I'm pretty sure if Piz and Veronica get together I'm going to break my TV. I mean it's obvious he is only pyschically attracted to her, and, like you said, they've only met a couple times. It's an insult to the show and to Jason Dohring to replace an EPIC relationship with "the new guy" just to make drama.

*end rant*
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on November 10th, 2006 10:32 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes! I really can't add anything because I just agree so thoroughly and so completely.

YES!!
phantomheart87 on November 10th, 2006 11:15 am (UTC)
As always I agree with just about everything you've said.The only things I disagree with are your comments about the bowling.I don't think all that much thought was given to who was going to bowl with who.I think V knew Parker was uncomfortable already feelings like she had been set-up and it would probably have been quite uncomfortable for Spaz(I refuse to call him anything else)to bowl with Logan seeing as he saw right through him so it seemed kind of natural for Spaz and V to pair up and Logan with Parker.

I think it's actually possible even with all her PI skills that she really was oblivious to Spaz's intentions.She really doesn't have that much experience with guys having a crush on her because of the reputation she got in high school where most guys really didn't pay her that kind of attention.

The way she reacted to Parker's question about Spaz was just lame.As if she would even for a second have any interest in Spaz when she's dating a sex God.It's just so unrealistic.The wrongness of V with Spaz could only be rivaled by V and Duncan and even then it's pretty close.

I don't see where they're going with this whole alibi storyline.She'll refuse to help until he tells her and he'll refused to tell her so there's really no resolution to this.
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on November 10th, 2006 11:20 am (UTC)
As always I agree with just about everything you've said.The only things I disagree with are your comments about the bowling.I don't think all that much thought was given to who was going to bowl with who.I think V knew Parker was uncomfortable already feelings like she had been set-up and it would probably have been quite uncomfortable for Spaz(I refuse to call him anything else)to bowl with Logan seeing as he saw right through him so it seemed kind of natural for Spaz and V to pair up and Logan with Parker.

You know I think I'm going to take this out of my write-up because I've been told by so many people that they just didn't have a problem with it.

I think it's actually possible even with all her PI skills that she really was oblivious to Spaz's intentions.She really doesn't have that much experience with guys having a crush on her because of the reputation she got in high school where most guys really didn't pay her that kind of attention.

I guess you're right, but we've also seen Veronica use her looks to her advantage on cases and what-not, so, I dunno. I just don't buy her obliviousness, partly because Chris Lowell wouldn't know subtlety if it came up and hit him on the head obviously. Grrr.

The way she reacted to Parker's question about Spaz was just lame.As if she would even for a second have any interest in Spaz when she's dating a sex God.It's just so unrealistic.The wrongness of V with Spaz could only be rivaled by V and Duncan and even then it's pretty close.

I know!! At least there was history with VD that could sorta justify it. But this?!? Pfft!

I don't see where they're going with this whole alibi storyline.She'll refuse to help until he tells her and he'll refused to tell her so there's really no resolution to this.

I think it's about the deeper issue of lack of trust. She just doesn't trust him. And that does need to be dealt with if they are ever going to work long-term.
phantomheart87 on November 10th, 2006 11:32 am (UTC)
I don't think she thinks Logan is refusing to give her Mercer's alibi because she thinks he's hiding something that he's done.She knows that he's aware of her trust issues and knows that he wouldn't have brought it up at all if it was something he had done. At this stage I'd be more inclined to believe she simply doesn't trust his judgment.The way he told her he couldn't tell her made it sound like he was protecting Mercer more than anything,maybe he thinks that if she found out what Mercer had done that day that might not necessarily involve Logan even if he was there,she will refuse to help him.She was the one who came to Lamb with evidence to arrest Mercer so I don't see her helping him now.I find it rather strange that she only met Mercer at the casino if Logan had been friends with him since summer.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on November 10th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
And that's just as bad -- that she doesn't trust his judgment. She needs to start TRUSTING THE GUY overall.
phantomheart87 on November 11th, 2006 04:13 am (UTC)
As much as I absolutely adore the guy and think he deserves her complete trust,she really is justified in questioning his judgment.First there was Lilly who he believed he had something special with until Leave It To Beaver and maybe even until One Angry Veronica and he realized fully that it was all a lie.He admited as much at the end of MAD but I think it hadn't sunk in completely until later.Then there was Caitlyn who cheated on him.Then there was Troy whom he never expected to be such an ass.Then there was his own dad whom he lived with and even after everything he'd seen didn't see the affair with Lilly and her murder by him coming.Kendall was next whom he thought was just a bimbo golddigger who turned out to be a lot smarter than anyone gave her credit for.Then there were both Lucky and Beaver who turned out to be psychos and he never saw it coming.Last and not least was the whole Charlie storyline.So I do think she was justified in requiring an explanation because he really does trust too easily.He really likes Mercer and usually lets his feelings cloud his judgement unlike her as seen in Leave It To Beaver.
polarthestral on November 10th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
and since I do believe (absolutely at last) that Logan and Veronica are the endgame

Hee. That's very optimistic of you, Jennifer :-D

I love your analysis of the trust issues at the end of the episode. I think that's spot on. I felt the dread run right down my spine. "Trust" is like a swear word to me since A Trip to the Dentist when he poured his heart out, admitted to some pretty bad deeds and basically asked her to forgive and trust him . . .she says I do and then shoots out of there like the Road Runner two seconds later. Ouch. It's still Ouch when I watch it today. So seeing him breathe with that little hitch before saying "trust me" made me want to scream in fear. LOL A little over dramatic yes, but you explained that instinctive reaction perfectly in your analysis.

Is it just me who hears "If you don't know me by now" by Simply Red every time Logan brings up trust lately?? God those lyrics are eerily perfect ...

Arabian: Logan = Emo Boyarabian on November 10th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
Hee. That's very optimistic of you, Jennifer :-D

Well, the opening credits and the fact that we're actually seeing their relationship dealt with at least shows that RT was paying attention about that. I do give credit where it's due.

I love your analysis of the trust issues at the end of the episode. I think that's spot on. I felt the dread run right down my spine.

And it really does tie in so beautifully to the building arc of their relationship this season. Really, really well.

So seeing him breathe with that little hitch before saying "trust me" made me want to scream in fear. LOL A little over dramatic yes, but you explained that instinctive reaction perfectly in your analysis.

Yuppers. Sigh.

Is it just me who hears "If you don't know me by now" by Simply Red every time Logan brings up trust lately?? God those lyrics are eerily perfect ...

Man, they are -- someone could do a good, but sad music vid to that song.
WeHo M.: VM - Sweetnessafrocurl on November 10th, 2006 05:04 pm (UTC)
Nicely put, Jennifer.

There are issues that we all have with LV, but I think we're getting a balance between good and bad, especially as the mystery, and Veronica's interest in it, increase.
Arabian: Look of LoVearabian on November 10th, 2006 09:14 pm (UTC)
Nicely put, Jennifer.

Thank you.

There are issues that we all have with LV, but I think we're getting a balance between good and bad, especially as the mystery, and Veronica's interest in it, increase.

I agree completely; I don't understand those who complain about the overabundance of L/V this season. We've had the right amount/balance to work with everything else. I've really enjoyed their stuff this season. Really.
grk_devotiongrk_devotion on November 10th, 2006 05:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Your analysis has managed to make me feel soooo much better about this week's episode. I actually hated this week's episode and I didn't understand why so many people were happy with it. But it turns out that there was quite a bit of good in this episode I just forgot about it because all the Piz love made me want to gouge my eyes out. Seriously, why does Piz even exist. What is his purpose?? Evey time he opens his mouth I wish someone has a muzzle.
Arabian: Walking_the_Dogarabian on November 10th, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm glad I was able to help then. Yes, I really hated the Piz stuff, but taken that out, the L/V stuff was REALLY, REALLY good! I loved it.

Piz? Not only a sleaze, but a complete waste of airtime and money on a show that shouldn't be wasting the airtime or money, grrr.
Miss Tmissst25 on November 10th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
Epic-colored goggles
Maybe I'm just overly optimistic (and can't see anyone even considering Piz when Logan is around), but I don't see Piz as a serious obstacle for Logan and Veronica. I think she is definitely aware of his crush, but since he's Wallace's roommate, she's going to want to make nice. The awkwardness and self-consciousness, I can explain away as reluctance to rub her disinterest and relationship in the face of a guy who likes her. Like, God, I'm going to have to ask a guy who likes me if he'd consider dating someone else. What if he professes his love or something? Then I'd have to reject him and he's my best friend's roommate...

There are also several reasons for the bowling pairings. I bet they just switched teams around all night, so they could have had L/V vs. Piz/Parker, then girls vs. boys, and finally Piz/V vs. Parker/Logan. Plus, this pairing gives Piz at least a semblance of an excuse to turn down Parker and to crush even harder on V.
Arabian: Fandom?arabian on November 10th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Epic-colored goggles
Oh, I don't see him as a serious obstacle at all -- except in that KB -- deletedexpletive -- is all gung-ho about them and will add whatever she can to further her non L/V agenda. I just don't want to deal with him at all romantically with her, serious or not, because (a) it makes her feelings for Logan look less than (esp. considering how KB will play it) and (b) it is so completely out of character. Just wrong! Ugh.

I can live with your take on her dismay over asking him, and that may have been the writer's attention, but it really came across the other way and I blame that fully on KB. Grrr.

I took the bowling part out because so many offered a reasonable answer.
Michael Barnes: Veronica Bench and Cloudsotw1980 on November 12th, 2006 03:01 am (UTC)
Re: Epic-colored goggles
I think I've missed something with KB being anti-LoVe. Can you tell me more?

Thanks.
Arabian: Fandom?arabian on November 12th, 2006 06:49 am (UTC)
Re: Epic-colored goggles
In all of the press she did at the start of the season she insulted Logan left and right and said that she would never date someone who cheated on her (as if Logan HAD cheated on Veronica). I think she compared Logan to Charles Manson in one interview (at least that's what I heard, I stopped reading KB interviews after the third one in a row ripped Logan apart and stated how much she didn't like LoVe.) In addition, last season she went on about how she was a Duncan girl and VD were wonderful and she didn't like LoVe. And on top of putting down the LoVe and Logan in just about every interview this season, she also talked Piz and a potential Piz/Veronica pairing up at every opportunity. She's very anti-LoVe, was pro-Vd last season and is pro-V/P (or Cheney as I call them) this season.

If anyone has direct links and sees this, feel free to share.
Michael Barnesotw1980 on November 13th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC)
Re: Epic-colored goggles
Thank you.

That's so sad, how can she be so wrong!?!

Charles Manson???

And don't get me started on Piz!