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22 October 2006 @ 03:55 pm
2.08 'Ahoy Mateys' L/V Thoughts  
I had a request to put these up, so here they are. If anyone wants to see the L/V thoughts from any episode that is not on my lj, just let me know and I'll post them. :)



Scene One: Logan as Backup

Honestly, I can find no straw to grasp here. Yes, she's helping him, but she's being less kind to him than she is to her normal Mystery of the Week clients. She snarks, makes a comment about his jackassery, but it doesn't play because if anyone is being a jackass in this scenario, it's she to him. Sigh. I want to believe that there is something there, but when Logan has to beg that she considers him her dog to get her to actually take his situation seriously and she doesn't blink, people there really is just not much to hang a LoVe hat upon. Double sigh.

Scene Two: Logan Isn't Backup

I think I really may have enjoyed this little tete-a-tete in the car, short as it was, did Kristen Bell play the scene with the same glinting snark from last season. Alas, she played it as if Logan was nothing but an annoying nuisance and she found absolutely nothing charming or endearing about him. Sigh. And Logan's sighs just seemed to echo my own. How is he seriously not just questioning why the hell he even went to her for help? She's doing it but as if (a) she's dragging her feet because she really doesn't want to do it, (b) as if she doesn't care two figs what the results are and (c) as if it's the biggest pain in the ass that she is doing it.

Once more for the road. Sigh. (Riiiight, as if that's the last sigh you'll get from me for this episode. Hah!)

Scene Three: Logan IS the Backup!

Now, we're talking! For the first time since episode three, we actually have a scene with something to go on with possible signs of love from (gasp!) both Veronica and Logan. Now mind you, there's not much and it does require some fanwanking, but in regards to LoVe this season ... well, what else is new?

I like that Logan risked Veronica's anger by following her. I mean, he could have blown her cover, but he obviously figured it was worth the risk since she'd been in there so long. I also liked that he used his brains and attempted to talk his way out, use the cops and then finally as a last resort, pulled the gun. And, ooh!, we get to borrow a lovely memory from A Trip to the Dentist. Pulling out the placard used in that breakdown:


Because, yes, indeedy, Mr. Logan Echolls was playing the hero card again. Sigh! Look at him, facing danger and a room full of rough 'n' tumble, infamous Irish baddies all to save his former love. Double sigh.

And Veronica's reaction? Well, not exactly a sigh. His heroics were greeted instead with tears, frustration and anger. While it would have been very nice to have seen Logan get a "thank you" at least, I do get where she's coming from, I do. Logan constantly seems to be surrounded with danger, consistently seems to be in situations -- some of which he does bring upon himself -- that revolve around violence. And we can fanwank that her tears and frustration are born out of her fear for his continued safety. We can. On the other hand, her reaction could also have been so strong because she was reacting to both the threat against her and the fact that Logan had a gun. Therefore, sigh, if that were the case, that makes it not really caring about Logan that much at all. Double sigh. Sadly, in light of this season, I'm gonna have to go with that latter explanation as opposed to the first. Triple sigh. This show has just really tested how far my fanwanking will stretch.

Plus, the fact that Veronica's final comment is that he should leave Neptune, just *OUCH!* And my goodness, the look on Logan's face as she stormed away ... I think that it pretty much helped completely dispel any lingering hopes that he could turn back time to last summer. Not that I thought that he had any hopes of such in the forefront of his mind, but the little nags and attempts to get under skin were indicative of him trying to get to her in some way. I think those may be gone now because, really, the girl just is making it so clear that he is not who she even remotely wants to be with. At all.

However, this can be seen as a good thing in the long run. I do think that Logan has to take Veronica off of this pedestal that he does have her up on. She's not perfect and she made mistakes just as he did in their all-too-brief relationship. They need to be on some level of equal footing and they really haven't ever been. Maybe, just maybe this is the first step towards that.

Maybe.

Straws, people. For goodness sake, we've got to grab the straws!

Scene Four: A New Hope ... Or Not

Not much in this scene, but their hands briefly touch!!! Ahhhhh!!! And Logan ends the scene with a too, too funny line: "Help me, Mars Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope." Heeheehee! Alas, he isn't even smiling as he says it and Veronica doesn't return a smile either. There's just no fun even in the pain. Sigh. This is really just not fun. At all.
 
 
 
Eleonorafreezing_82 on October 22nd, 2006 09:46 pm (UTC)
I had a request to put these up, so here they are.
*waves her hand in the air*
That's me. I'm glad you posted it again, I'm so in love with this episode I don't even know where to start.
This is my fave season 2 episode.
Most of my friends worship 'te epic' one or the 'sway' one, but I really like this.

It was painful and I was like screaming with Veronica in that car.
Yes, I'm an 'ahoy'-junkie. My friends say I'm hopeless, well..that's true LOL
This was the first time since the beginning of s2 that I actually cried.
The whole 'River Styx' scene was amazing. Kristen and Jason were perfect (he's always amazing, isn't he?). He was all like 'to the rescue', without thinking he could have been hurt or worse, killed.
And not because he's an hopeless jackass with a deathwish, but because he was worried about Veronica. The moment he put that gun out of his jacket (I looove that jacket, btw), he knew she would been mad at him. But he did.
The gun was his last call. And you know what? Despite all the screaming in that car, I'm so glad he acted like that.
I wouldn't never expect nothing different from Logan. To remain in the car waiting so long (well, just waiting) for Veronica to come back? So not him.

And we can fanwank that her tears and frustration are born out of her fear for his continued safety. We can. On the other hand, her reaction could also have been so strong because she was reacting to both the threat against her and the fact that Logan had a gun.
And then she was mad, angry and I think she was really worried about him. A 'thanks' probably wouldn't have satisfied me at all. That wasn't exactly the first time Veronica saw a gun, she actually hold a gun before. She was crying because she was scared that she could have been killed, but Logan too.

She's the only reason Logan would risk his life for. I mean I think that's what scares Veronica the most.
She's not used to it, not even a bit. The only 2 people who really cared for her since then were Keith and Wallace. (Oh no, I so hate Duncan, I'm sorry. A guy who cares for you doesn't hide the truth just to save his sorry ass!)
So, having a guy who risks his life for her, is not so easy to deal with. Not at that moment, btw.
There's also the 'trusting issue' as I like to call it.
At that moment, she didn't trust Logan himself (sad, but that's it). Logan with a gun? Even worse.
Because he can't help himself to get into danger. He's not doing it on purpose. Trouble seeems to follow him.
But let's face it, without his help she now would be wearing a delicious 'yellow stars' tattoo on her cheeck, and God knows what else.
And she knew that. Even when she screamed at him, even when she told him to leave town for his very own good.
This is my personal (and possibly totally wrong) pov.

I don't know if what I said makes any sense, cause it's quite late and I'm not even a native speaker, so :P
Arabian: A Fine Linearabian on October 23rd, 2006 01:26 am (UTC)
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I'm so in love with this episode I don't even know where to start.
This is my fave season 2 episode.
For some reason, I got the impression that you DIDN'T like this episode. I'm glad that you did. While it's not my favorite -- that would be IAG -- it's definitely up there for me.

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Most of my friends worship 'te epic' one or the 'sway' one, but I really like this.
I'm really in the minority that while I could appreciate what we got with Sway and Epic, I wasn't as excited about them as much. I thought Veronica looked too miserable during Sway and her running away after the Epic speech and then the cliche morning after just kept those two from being in my top LoVe moments.

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It was painful and I was like screaming with Veronica in that car. This was the first time since the beginning of s2 that I actually cried.
Well, you read my analysis, you know that my problem was Veronica and Kristen's coldness kept me from becoming emotionally moved by the scene except in relation to poor, woobie Logan.

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The whole 'River Styx' scene was amazing. Kristen and Jason were perfect (he's always amazing, isn't he?).
Well, yeah, I totally agree about Jason ... but Kristen? Not so much. I believed (because RT said later) that we were SUPPOSED to see a Veronica who was broken up because Logan was on a road that would lead to an untimely death, but she was so cold, so mean to him. I got no sense that Veronica cared about Logan at all! And because I could see it in the dialogue, Jason's performance and Rob confirmed it later, I do completely blame it on Kristen for NOT believing that Veronica was concerned for Logan.

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He was all like 'to the rescue', without thinking he could have been hurt or worse, killed.
Oh, Logan's part from beginning to end I was completely feeling.

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And not because he's an hopeless jackass with a deathwish, but because he was worried about Veronica. The moment he put that gun out of his jacket (I looove that jacket, btw), he knew she would been mad at him. But he did.
Right, I totally agree ... in regards to Logan/Jason. It was Kristen's interpretation of Veronica that hurt their scenes so much for me.

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And then she was mad, angry and I think she was really worried about him.
Exactly. You "think." You should have known indelibly one hundred percent as you did Logan's actions. With Veronica you had to assume she felt a certain way because Kristen didn't make it clear -- which she SHOULD have.

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A 'thanks' probably wouldn't have satisfied me at all.
I didn' tmean just a thanks. I basically meant some form, ANY FORM, of gratitude. He DID just save her life. But instead she turned on him and starting yelling at him and nothing in Kristen's demeanor read that she was yelling because she was afraid for his life, because she was worried about him. It was just nasty.

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She's the only reason Logan would risk his life for. I mean I think that's what scares Veronica the most.
I agree; but I didn't get that from Kristen's performance. I think it was the intention, but Kristen didn't deliver it for me.

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So, having a guy who risks his life for her, is not so easy to deal with. Not at that moment, btw.
I can see that, again, but I didn't get it from Kristen.

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This is my personal (and possibly totally wrong) pov.
Hey, it's your informed opinion, and everyone has the right to one. You've watched the show and thought about it, you have every right to your point of view.
Eleonorafreezing_82 on October 23rd, 2006 09:51 am (UTC)
I know I probably souldn't been saying this but..I'm positive most of the 'coldness' in KB acting towards the LoVe scenes is due to the fact she really dislikes Logan with Veronica as her boyfriend. I mean she keeps on saying that for a while.
And it's sad cause Jason is always (always) so involved and kind and he just loves LoVe.
I think it was the intention, but Kristen didn't deliver it for me.
Then why RT didn't shot that scene again?
You know what? I guess I'm gonna trust only the 'intentions' from now on. They seem to be more reliable that actual acting. LOL
Btw, it's been good to share this with you.
sowell: LoVe by tonic2wsowell on October 22nd, 2006 11:05 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with your entire analysis. There was a lot of opportunity for good UST between Logan and Veronica in this episode, but I honestly think KB dropped the ball a bit in her performance. There's that bitterness between them, but none of the familiarity and genuine caring UNDERNEATH the bitterness that we're used to seeing.

It kinda hurts to watch.
Arabian: One Angry Loganarabian on October 23rd, 2006 01:33 am (UTC)
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I pretty much agree with your entire analysis. There was a lot of opportunity for good UST between Logan and Veronica in this episode, but I honestly think KB dropped the ball a bit in her performance.
Right. I knew about the scene beforehand and it was such a disappointment, because KB did the opposite of running for it -- she ran away from it. She played a Veronica who was disgusted with Logan; who hated him and just wanted him gone.

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There's that bitterness between them, but none of the familiarity and genuine caring UNDERNEATH the bitterness that we're used to seeing. YES!!

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It kinda hurts to watch.I agree; as much as I do love AM, I've only watched those scenes in their entirety two or three times and the additional times was due to having to write the analysis up.