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14 October 2006 @ 05:47 pm
'My Big Fat Greek Rush Week' L/V Thoughts  
Here is my new batch of analysis for the sole Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.



Scene One: Sharing is Caring

Thirty seconds. We got thirty seconds in tonight's episode, but for the sentiment (and certain moments) in the "key" scene last week, it was better than just about everything else we got in the first episode. How could any Logan/Veronica fan not simply smile when Veronica walked up and they started just a'bantering away? I know I did. From Veronica patting and then rubbing his back (oh, yes, there was a rub), to the smiles sent back and forth, they were -- in a word -- squeeworthy. That comfort and ease we saw in a couple's interaction in the cafeteria scene in Welcome Wagon was here as well. (Hmm, maybe that's the key -- no pun intended ... the cafeteria!)

Okay, there isn't much to discuss here in terms of the overall tenor because there wasn't much depth or weight to their scene, it was just two lovers passing in the night. Or was it? Veronica's knowledge of the prison break could be fanwanked into the belief that Logan called Veronica once they were out and he let her know he would be there. That would explain why she showed up and yet was obviously just passing through. Also, her not telling him her plans made sense if it was a quick phone call. Nothing in the scene contradicts this and the fact that she knew he was there and he looked completely unsurprised by her appearance -- as if he was expecting her -- can almost confirm it.

So that's a nice little fanwanking gift we can give ourselves. They keep in touch, like a good couple should. In addition, there may have been only thirty seconds, but we still got some stuffs to talk about. First up, because I like to get any non-gush-worthy stuff out of the way, the negative. Logan and Veronica not only referenced Horshack during their conversation, but they both looked at and talked to the table at large and yet, there was not one single cut to Horshack or any of the other "prisoners." Not one and that was just weird. If the scene felt off at all, and it did a bit past the first couple seconds of very cute interaction, it was because there was an audience onscreen that Logan and Veronica were acknowledging, but we, the offscreen audience, were not shown the people watching them. It was just odd, as if portions of the scene were missing. And unfortunately it added to what many viewers perceived as negative, which, in further rewatch and analysis, I think, proved to not be the case. I am, of course, talking about the lack of a kiss before Veronica left.

In retrospect, it makes perfect sense that Veronica didn't kiss him goodbye because there was a group of strangers there. And not only that, Logan was also casually discussing matters of a sexual nature in front of this group of strangers. Conjugal visits anyone? Her picture keeping him going through the long, lonely night? Letting his buddy borrow her picture to help him through the long, lonely night? Were Jason Dohring not so frakkin' adorable and were those lines not delivered with such impish glee, there definitely would be more of an ick factor. Dude, that's your GIRLFRIEND you're talking about like that in front of strangers! Ah, but this is television and such type of discussion goes on a LOT because it's quippy and funny and television is, after all, entertainment.

Which brings us to the biggest reason viewers were expecting a kiss, even though, in context, it made perfect sense regarding the lack. Jump back a few paragraphs above and you'll see the answer. Yes, logically, we knew that the entire group of "prisoners" was sitting there. Yes, we knew that Veronica didn't know them -- check out Veronica's expression after the lending her pic to Horshack comment, there was a touch of "Did he just say that? I don't know this guy. Hello!. However, because there was not one single cut to any of them (including Horshack, who was mentioned by name), it was easy to forget that when a boyfriend is talking about sexual matters with his girlfriend in front of a group of strangers, most girlfriends would not feel comfortable laying one on said boyfriend in front of said strangers. Therefore, that negative of the non-kiss is completely neutralized by the bad direction ... once you think about it. Which, of course, is the whole point of this section. Thinking about it, breaking it down and fanwanking the whys and wherefores in order to keep the good ship LoVe alive and kicking even when it looks like the boat may have developed a leak.

Alrighty then, now to the cute stuff, the squee-worthy stuff, the ILOVETHEM!ILOVETHEM! moments. There were two for me, one that is shared universally by the fandom and the other would be shared by everyone who caught it (which I'm assuming at this point is most who have watched the scene at least twice). First off, sigh and hee! Logan called Veronica "his girl." Logan called Veronica "his girl." Double, triple and quadruple sigh. It's just so territorial, but in a non-aggressive way. There's a sweetness (and yes, schmoop, especially with Dohring's delivery) that comes along with it that just makes hearts go a'flutter and fangirls go "squee!" So, excuse me a moment, but I'm breaking out the ...

SQUEE!!!!


Ahem. I just ... man, he called her "my girl" and it was so adorable. Ooh, and you know what else was totally adorable? Veronica agreeing that "it's good to share" and then proceeding to do just that by taking some of Logan's food. Hee! It was so awesome because it was SUCH a couply thing to do, as was Logan's complete non-reaction to her doing so. After all, you know what they say: Sharing is caring. Oh, it was just so cute and couply. I loved.

Finally, we had the "star-crossed" comment by Veronica and Logan's nod of agreement. It ain't epic, but it means the same thing ... and very in keeping with Veronica's character. She doesn't do the heart on her sleeves, over-the-top dramatic stuff like say, oh, Logan with his, "I thought our story was epic, you know? You and me.... Spanning years and continents, lives ruined, and blood shed. Epic." What Veronica does is make a joke about such things, but in a way that lets you know that she knows it too. Ie., her response to Logan's speech in the following episode, "Ain't epic love grand?" and now this, a jokey reference to the two of them being star-crossed in a situation that is inconvenient rather than star-crossed. But that's Veronica and that's how she says "I love you, Logan" at this point in time. (It better be just "at this point in time" with the actual words or some closer approximation making its way from her larynx in the future.)

But enough of that. I'm not dwelling on what hasn't happened yet or even on the "lives ruined" epicness of their love story. I'm just content for now to dwell on the cuteness and the couple-ness of these thirty seconds. I loved these thirty seconds! They made me smile ... and squee.

 
 
 
WeHo M.: VM - BK S3afrocurl on October 14th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
For 30 seconds you did a very good job explaining the whole scene.

Nicely put.

The Schmoop that Dohring always brings when talking to Veronica is something tha I've realized is just way too adorable for words.

I'm a happy shipper...
Arabian: Bench-Kissing (cap by lapses)arabian on October 14th, 2006 11:30 pm (UTC)
For 30 seconds you did a very good job explaining the whole scene. Nicely put.

Why, thank you! :)

The Schmoop that Dohring always brings when talking to Veronica is something tha I've realized is just way too adorable for words.

Isn't it? It's not traditionally what you see because there's this almost child-liie glee and dorkiness to it, but it's so unbelievably adorable. I heart him so very, very much.

I'm a happy shipper...

Much better than last week's, and based on spoilers I'm very looking forward to 3 and 4.
WeHo M.: VM - BK S3afrocurl on October 14th, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
The glee that Dohring brings is just sort of cute and funny and so random considering the rest of Logan's personality. I adore it, but it always shocks me.

I think you're right on 3 and 4. I'm sure we know the same spoilers, so here's to Tuesday!!
Arabian: Bench-Kissing (cap by lapses)arabian on October 14th, 2006 11:37 pm (UTC)
I KNOW!! It sucks because I was off this Tuesday so could have talked about VM all night, but I normally work tuesdays and so only have one hour to squeal before I have to be at work. Hopefully, I'll have my laptop by then and I can squeal once I get my work done!
WeHo M.: VM - LV Kiss S3afrocurl on October 14th, 2006 11:41 pm (UTC)
Well, I'll hope you have your laptop to squeal about it all night long. I sort of have to be around the computer and then not at the same time (I mod at VM board, so there's a need to read the posts, but then I get spoiled badly while I wait for the episode to air in CA.)
Arabian: Epicarabian on October 14th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC)
I will do the squealing if it's worth squealing about if I have that laptop. Oh man, I just realized that I won't have my laptop until next Friday probably, ah well. There's ep 4 and beyond at least.

Aww, that must suck being so spoiled ahead of time, but I'm not sure I could wait anyway if I were you, LOL! So if you're the same way, it's not so bad.
WeHo M.: VM - Epicafrocurl on October 14th, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
What happened to the laptop?

Well, it depends on who posts, so I don't get spoiled too much. I mean, just reading your flist after the episode airs can be bad.
Arabian: Bellsarabian on October 14th, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
I was planning on buying one this weekend but odds are good I'll get lost because I'm horrible with directions and the two friends who I was planning on hanging with had important family things come up, so both didn't work.

But next friday I'm getting together with one of them (or both), so I should be able to get it. If they flake out on me again, I'm arming myself with directions and making a go at it.
Kirsty: vm : lv : starcrossedwowsugarpuss_ on October 14th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Hee, love it!! Pretty much agree with everything. And yes, 30 second scenes totally deserve that much.
The back rub is totally my favourite part after the "my girl" and the fact that they're both just so damn smiley. How she doesn't just smack him on the back and take her hand away, she actually stands there with her hand resting on his shoulder. Aww. It's definately squee-worthy.
Arabian: We got promoarabian on October 14th, 2006 11:33 pm (UTC)
Hee, love it!! Pretty much agree with everything. And yes, 30 second scenes totally deserve that much.</i>

Yes, it does. I think the comparable write-up for a short scene would be the hallway scene in 2.02. I had 11 episodes for a 54-second scene. YIKES!

The back rub is totally my favourite part after the "my girl" and the fact that they're both just so damn smiley.

That was my 3rd favorite part (I loved the food-sharing), but that she totally rubbed his back? RUBBED HIS BACK!?! SQUEE!!!

How she doesn't just smack him on the back and take her hand away, she actually stands there with her hand resting on his shoulder. Aww. It's definately squee-worthy.

Sigh, it so is.

BTW: I love your icon. I was gonna make an icon from the episode, but couldn't find a cap to use I liked. Good choice.
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Arabian: HappyJoyX2arabian on October 14th, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
Here via veronica_mars

Thanks for coming over to read and comment! :)

Lovely analysis.

Thank you.

I thought this scene was great. A brief glimpse of L/V happy-in-coupledom. Very squeeworthy. :)

Indeed!
jeannie_bean137: Silhouettejeannie_bean137 on October 14th, 2006 11:21 pm (UTC)
And no Piz! Ain't life grand?

The sad part is I didn't even realize he wasn't in the episode until I came to the forums. You know a character is pointless when he's gone and you don't even notice.
Arabian: JD_Beautifularabian on October 14th, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC)
Squee!! Icon love! I love that shot of him and had to make an icon of it too! So veyr pretty!

And no Piz! Ain't life grand?

Yes!

The sad part is I didn't even realize he wasn't in the episode until I came to the forums.

What's even sadder is that I knew he wasn't in the episode, but forgot and didn't realize he wasn't in the episode and I knew until I read the forums.

You know a character is pointless when he's gone and you don't even notice.

Very pointless. And based on the clips of 3.3 so far, I fear he's going to be very annoying as well.
jeannie_bean137: Silhouettejeannie_bean137 on October 14th, 2006 11:42 pm (UTC)
It was made my "greenteagraphix" (I'm not sure how to make those linkey-things yet.

Piz's disappearance from 3x02 is the exact opposite of Weevil and Lamb being gone from the first episode. I was very aware of those and the episode felt just a little empty because of it, but I liked this eppy without him in it. It was easier to enjoy the LoVe moment because it didn't have DOOM! written all over it.

Piz has no depth what-so-ever. Logan had depth from the first episode but all Piz is is the kinda cute guy who's coming between Epic Love. Esshh...Annoying too? Please no. What clips?
Arabian: Charming Nerdarabian on October 14th, 2006 11:47 pm (UTC)
Uh, see I really don't think he's cute at all. I know some do, but I just don't see it. I think he's actually extremely unattracive, but hey, different strokes for different folks.

He's just so unnecessary, as my icon says (which I made in direct response to the relating quote about Piz), I already have a charming nerd. Logan covers that arena quite nicely when it's needed, thank you very much.
jeannie_bean137: AHHH!jeannie_bean137 on October 14th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
I didn't mean his looks (cause I agree with you on that point) but the fact that he's kind of awkward. That's pretty much the only endearing thing I find in him. And it'd be much easier to find other qualities if he wasn't in the way of LoVe

Hehehe. Great icon. He can go from Bad Boy to Lovable Dork in half a second.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on October 14th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC)
Sigh, yes, he can. I love Logan (and Jason Dohring's talent).
jeannie_bean137: Dean Savoirjeannie_bean137 on October 15th, 2006 12:03 am (UTC)
Mind if I "friend" you? I don't think I've found another person who watches VM, The Office, Supernatural, House AND Bones. lol
Arabian: Alona_Kickassarabian on October 15th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
Go for it!

God, I love Dean.
tigereyes320: LVS3LoVeCtigereyes320 on October 15th, 2006 02:34 am (UTC)
I so agree
I don't think they have to be all over each other to work.
It's the little moments that makes us love them. I so loved her taking his food.
I can't wake to the next episode
Arabian: Snark + LoVearabian on October 15th, 2006 05:19 am (UTC)
Re: I so agree
I know I loved when she took his food. So couply!
pipbongbbpipbongbb on October 15th, 2006 05:13 am (UTC)
Wow, 30 seconds can be a lot of analyzing eh? The episode was still awesome without the LoVe scenes.
Arabian: Peace_LEarabian on October 15th, 2006 05:19 am (UTC)
Insane, I'm insane, I tell ya. I thought the ep was okay, but loved the one LoVe scene.
Lalala623 on October 22nd, 2006 03:34 am (UTC)
lol...it was only 30 seconds, but I was still squeeing my little heart out...."my girl"...that totally made me squee hearing him acknowledge to his "friends" who she was...I loved it! :)
phantomheart87 on October 25th, 2006 02:02 pm (UTC)
Which brings us to the biggest reason viewers were expecting a kiss, even though, in context, it made perfect sense regarding the lack. Jump back a few paragraphs above and you'll see the answer. Yes, logically, we knew that the entire group of "prisoners" was sitting there. Yes, we knew that Veronica didn't know them -- check out Veronica's expression after the lending her pic to Horshack comment, there was a touch of "Did he just say that? I don't know this guy. Hello!. However, because there was not one single cut to any of them (including Horshack, who was mentioned by name), it was easy to forget that when a boyfriend is talking about sexual matters with his girlfriend in front of a group of strangers, most girlfriends would not feel comfortable laying one on said boyfriend in front of said strangers. Therefore, that negative of the non-kiss is completely neutralized by the bad direction ... once you think about it. Which, of course, is the whole point of this section. Thinking about it, breaking it down and fanwanking the whys and wherefores in order to keep the good ship LoVe alive and kicking even when it looks like the boat may have developed a leak.

It was a joke,I wouldn't call that a leak.