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25 September 2006 @ 07:52 pm
VM S3.01 Early Bird Thoughts  
Well, like everyone who had the opportunity to, I watched the VM episode. Thanks to all who made it possible for us to watch ASAP!!! Awesome.

My thoughts (plenty o' spoilers for the premiere obviously) ...

It was okay. Sorry, I didn't love it. I know everyone else seems to have. Maybe I really was just too, too burned out by the crap we got last season to fully get my groove back on in regards to the show, I dunno ... but it was okay. Well, it was good, I just wasn't ahhhh!!! It played a lot too awkward for me, unnatural, but for a few scenes. Random thoughts, but mostly in order of appearance.

  • I love Patrick Fabian!!! Woo to the hoo!! (Yes, I just typed that.)

  • James Jordan's (Tim Foyle, formerly Lucky) wig was REALLY horribly fake and that distracted.

  • CREDITS! SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jason is second (well, 3rd, but you all know what I mean!) Squeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then we got the LoVe shots at the end!! SQUEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Oh, I want those stills!!!!

    I really really liked it. I think the mood, the style of filter, the remix everything actually fits VM MUCH better. I hope we get the full version of that remix, I really like it!! I did have two beefs. One was how the newbies had higher billing than Francis and Mac. Lamb naturally won't appear as much, so I was okay with that ... but dude! FRANCIS!!!! Whimper. My second beef was the fact that the final shot wasn't just Veronica. I really think it should have just been her in the final frame. Ah well. Also, not a complaint, but it was weird seeing KEITH with the camera. Again, I loved the L/V, and the K/Veronica was cool ... so overall, I'm VERY happy!!!

    VERY, VERY, VERY HAPPY!!!!

  • Wallace had no SINGULAR interaction with Veronica and they shared only a few lines together. That bit.

  • Chris Lowell (Piz) is bad. I actually thought he was better than most from the preview, but actually watching it. Just -- when he was trying to do the fast patter, he just sounded so fake. Maybe he'll get better, but yeah, this dude is nothing to write home about. And that hair!?!?!?

  • I loved that Veronica ACTUALLY carried Logan's books. Hee.

  • I don't get even remotely the big deal about the sweaty scene. So what? They were lying in bed sweating and the sex was good. And I'm sorry, but the "professional" line DID read as if she was talking about pro as in a sex pro, not a college pro as some have suggested. The double-standard in that is really annoying. If Logan implied as such to Veronica, she (and fans) would not like it. Anyhoo, back to the so-totally-NON-sex scene. We didn't even get a kiss, a cuddle, ANYTHING in that bed. Yeah, yeah, they're having sex, that's great, but the throwaway of it was horrible. Not only do we NOT get their first time, the first time we see them in bed, they're barely touching the entire time? I knew RT wasn't going to make big production out of it because other than that first kiss, he loves to skip over important moments with them, but I thought he might maybe make, oh at least, a little production out of them sleeping together. You know, something, anything. Definitely more than a few seconds sweaty in bed, barely touching, with Veronica telling him he should be a prostitute.

    I did like the part with him answering the phone and her trying to stop him and then the whole "we need to communicate." Aside from the natural way the scene played out, I think it may wind up being one of the keys of their issues. Two others came later. Back to the phone answering ... it was just cute and, like I said, natural. I liked it. And finally, yes, he did look HOT. Very hot.

  • Other than the awkwardness of how the last line played out to me in Parker's introduction scene, I REALLY liked her. Julie Gonzalo was wonderful. Why isn't SHE getting promoted out the ying-yang!? She was adorable.

  • Hmm, I was bothered by the number of Piz/Veronica scenes in the episode. It really read as if they were setting them up as the big star-crossed lovers on the show. They spent A LOT of time and I mean A LOT of time establishing a relationship between these two, more than they did with any other two characters ... by far. And that was pretty sad to watch. The fact that she didn't just say, "yeah, he's my boyfriend" in the final scene is worrisome also. For newbies watching who don't know the history of L/V, it really comes across as if THIS is the pairing to root for. It was just ... man, the set-up for a potential pairing between these two is SO obvious. FRAK!

  • Speaking of, I had heard about the BSG "Frak" inclusion, but I was afraid it would be lame. I like how they did it.

  • I did like the scene with Logan/Veronica in the cafeteria, but sadly (and unsurprisngly) it does still play as if Logan is definitely more into Veronica than she is into him. But what I liked about this scene is that it played much more naturally than the first scene had (that one felt kinda forced to me). It was sweet and I LOVED how he held and kissed her hand. (Although, the other girl thing kinda worried me as another potential issue popper-upper and this one won't fly with me.) Oh, and after the Dick thing, I loved how he just said give me your bag to Veronica and she seemed to get it right away what he needed, so that was cool.

    And yet another issue was here in this scene, being the look on Logan's face when he said "nice shirt" to Piz. I definitely got the Donut undertone. That undercurrent of jealousy because Veronica may lust for Logan, but she tells herself she "wants" to be with the good guys. (And of COURSE, the one kiss that WASN'T a peck was intercut with Piz looking all bummed because a girl he met two days ago and has shown no interest in him HAS A BOYFRIEND!!!!!! Grrrr. Yes, the emphasis was on HIS pain. Total set-up.)

  • I think Ryan did a wonderful job and I wonder if HE'S going to be the rape suspect for a little bit because of his last line to Logan about messing up bad (in addition to hanging outside Parker's dorm earlier). I thought the Dick/Logan stuff was the strongest part of the episode. These two play really well together and I loved seeing Logan there for Dick, really being a friend -- frankly, something that no one has ever been for Logan.

  • The Keith/Cormac/Kendall stuff was interesting, nothing to write home about and since I already knew that (a) RT ain't going anywhere with my beloved Keith/Kendall and (b) that Kendall "died," I wasn't too invested. Yes, I put died in quotes because I don't believe for one second she's actually dead. Dude, we didn't even see him pointing the gun AT Kendall. She's so not dead.

  • I LOVED the return of Vinnie and if this is a sign that we'll see him on a higher recurring basis, I'm all for that!!!

  • I loved all of Veronica's wardrobe (and most of her hairstyles). Logan looked great, wardrobe, hair, hotness! Wallace looked great. Everyone looked great (except for Piz's haircut and my GOD! what kind of name is Stosh "Piz" ... SERIOUSLY!?!?!) and heh, I had to cheer for all the Dick/Mac fans that at least there was one scene between them.

    Overall, I just wasn't impressed. I'm hoping it was because it was too built-up for me. Also, the awkwardness of getting the ball rolling was difficult too. The season premiere of just about every returning show in its sophomore year has had that kind of awkwardness. I realize this is VM's third, but they really are setting it all up anew. It wasn't bad; it was good .. I just expected and hoped for outstanding. And it didn't help that the LoVe stuff came across as just mostly biographical information while the Cheney (Veronica/Piz = V/P = Cheney) stuff had the most indepth "rooting" value factor.

    Ah well. Jason looked hot. At least there was that. And I DID love the credits (except for the last shot NOT being Veronica alone). And I'm sure that without the expectations and other stuff around it, I'll enjoy the LoVe scenes more as I rewatch them a zillion times.
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    beatlegirl59 on September 26th, 2006 12:21 am (UTC)
    I disagree about Piz...I adored him and hated myself for it. Haha.

    I agree about the LoVe sex scene...so lame! I wanted cuddling and gazing into each other's eyes, damnit! And he still seems way more into her than she him, I agree...how many times does he have to save her life before she says "I love you"?

    Ryan blew me away too. I HATED Dick when he said that to Mac, but I almost forgave him at the end.

    I have no idea what happened with Keith, I didn't follow. His plot was a bit of a bore for me.
    Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on September 26th, 2006 10:38 pm (UTC)
    Arrrggh, I wrote a long post explaining the whole Keith thing, but danged if I wanna do it again. Grrr.

    I don't think that if even he grows on me, I'll like him. He did annoy me, and RT making it so blatantly clear that Piz is who we should root for Veronica to be with means I can't like him, I can't root for him because it interferes with my Logan love and loyalty. Sorry.

    Ryan was awesome. Amd I can rewrite the Keith thingie if you want me to.
    beatlegirl59 on September 26th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
    Aw you don't have to! It's no big deal. I'll catch on eventually. I think I was just so obsessed with LoVe that I couldn't focus on anything else.

    Don't get me wrong, I liked Piz, but Logan is still my favorite and I still don't want anyone else with Veronica. And I agree about RT's methods and that definitely is annoying. Like hey Logan's the stupid rich boy who skips class and Piz is the sweet hard working boy from up north! It also made LoVe a bit awkward too...I miss the sweetness of them in season 1, what happened to that? That was like the only time I felt she really cared for him. I'm way off my point here. I was going to say that even though he's completely contrived to split up LoVe, Piz has got style...I don't find him boring like Donut, I think he's cute, funny, and acted well...I was just expecting to want to to barf whenever he was on screen and I don't so that's something!
    WeHo M.: VM - BK S3afrocurl on September 26th, 2006 12:34 am (UTC)
    Nice thoughts..I can't say that I agree with all of it, but at least it's out there, and it will probably get better the more times you watch it.
    Arabian: Bench-Kissing (cap by lapses)arabian on September 26th, 2006 10:41 pm (UTC)
    I'm going to try and watch it again tonight and see how I feel. I'm already more positive about a point that many (who were overall happy) were disgruntled with: Veronica's voiceover about highschool romance.

    I actually liked it and thought it very well could be my favorite V line about Logan ever. First of all, it was clearly just put in there to say "new audience, this is who Logan is to Veronica background-wise." Secondly, I thought that the way KB read the line, it played like Veronica saying basically that she used to make fun of girls who did that but damn! she was thinking of that hunka hunka burnin' love in that bed and understood EXACTLY why they did it. I loved it.
    WeHo M.: VM - BK S3afrocurl on September 26th, 2006 11:38 pm (UTC)
    I think it gets better after multiple viewings. I mean, I got over my initial issues with parts and could look at everything once I knew what had happened.

    Hopefully that's the change that's supposed to go on from that VO, or else, there's something else going on.
    Sally: crazy saucemissmarch on September 26th, 2006 02:56 am (UTC)
    You're not alone. There were things here and there that I liked, but I was unimpressed by a lot of it. I hope ep 2 picks up.
    Arabian: JD_Crazyarabian on September 26th, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
    THANK GOD it wasn't just me!!!
    Sally: ahoy matey loganmissmarch on September 26th, 2006 03:29 am (UTC)
    Nope, it's not just you. I feel really out of touch with fandom right now because I keep reading raves and I can't even seem to get motivated to post about it.


    Arabian: Charming Nerdarabian on September 26th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC)
    Well, we're getting more people who saw (or more accurately, DIDN'T see) what we did. I AM going to try and watch it again tonight and give it another shot. I know, I know, I'm so generous. I'm sure RT is really grateful.
    Sally: bitchy lenamissmarch on September 27th, 2006 02:17 am (UTC)
    I watched it again. Well, most of it, and I remain unimpressed. I could go on about why, but I did that already.

    And boy do I have a few qualms about my ship.
    Arabian: One Angry Loganarabian on September 27th, 2006 02:59 am (UTC)
    Feel free to share.
    Sally: adorablemissmarch on September 27th, 2006 03:31 am (UTC)
    I don't know. It's more of an instinctive feeling than anything else.

    The show is trying to hook new fans and they have an actor who is wonderfully charismatic and very popular and critically acclaimed and he's shunted off to the side, as a brooding somewhat depressed boyfriend, who's supposedly great in bed (HEY RT, SHOW, DON'T TELL) and much more into her than she is into him. My otp gets no sex scene, no afterglow, no major kisses, no real heat. The key scene was probably the best, but none of those scenes compare to their best.

    It's gold to have actors that have fantastic chemistry and form a couple that people love passionately, but I don't think anyone behind the scenes appreciates that.
    Arabianarabian on September 27th, 2006 11:28 am (UTC)
    Exactly. That's what I meant when I wrote this to Harper below:

    Yeah and that's why I'm frustrated with people saying it's not there and it doesn't matter with the credits and what we did get for LoVe, lalalala because it DOES matter. We know how great Lo/Ve are and so can appreciate the good stuff there, but new viewers? They were given NO REASON to root for Logan/Veronica and EVERY reason to root fot Cheney.
    Sally: get bornmissmarch on September 27th, 2006 01:48 pm (UTC)
    Yeah, I feel like JD is going to get the shaft. I thought so when the promotion started, and he was getting ignored a bit, but the spoilers were comforting, and fans suggested that they were using Lowell as the hook for the new fans, but JD would be able to reel them in when the show actually aired, so I hoped that was the case.

    Because you know, he would be able to, if he was allowed to play Logan. I wonder if the thinking must be that the only way they can keep from creating a bunch of new fangirls is to muzzle him and kill the chemistry. So write Logan as broody, take away most of his funny lines, and make sure he doesn't kiss Kristen for more than 1 second or barely touch her. I didn't realize exactly how much of the chemistry was dependent on him. Or maybe he was having a bad day. Or maybe they had a fight. Who knows? But it seemed obvious to me that they were distant with each other, and that's something that I've never seen before.

    I mean, thought the key moment was played well, but they really didn't give him much to work with, and they did give us a lot of Piz, and the new OPJ on a redemption path, Dick. So what does that make Logan? The broody boyfriend. I'm sure the next episodes will be better, because RT won't be writing them, but the chemistry depends on the performance, and they really didn't have much in this episode.

    Obviously, I'm way out of the mainstream with these thoughts, when most of the shippers are happy. But I know how good they can be, and how they were nowhere near that good in this episode.
    sweetumms33: Dicksweetumms33 on September 26th, 2006 03:25 am (UTC)
    I watched it instead of doing my mountains of work. I liked Piz, but I did see the overiding need to push them together. I saw her not telling him about Logan as "DUH!" But Logan' reaction to Piz was classic. Totally a Duncan connection (anyone remember the argyle Logan wore?)and I like that he didn't try to be nice. We are getting schmoopy Logan, and I enjoy that he is still a jackass in some ways. I am on the fence about Parker; I want to see what they actually do with her. And there definitely needs to be more Wallace/Veronica time.
    The scenes with Dick in them were all perfect, and the reason I think this episode was great. He was literally unraveling before you, and seeing the expression on his face at the end was so sad. He just looked so lost. And I'm glad Logan just took him in, all awkward and cute. They are very cute together.
    I love Logan...and you are so right, Veronica doesn't love him the same. I really hope that's not what they're story angle is going to be, or I will throw something at the screen.

    All in all, JOY its back!
    Arabian: We got promoarabian on September 26th, 2006 10:47 pm (UTC)
    I liked Piz, but I did see the overiding need to push them together.

    Due to that overriding push (and the fact that I thought CL was a crappy actor with horrible hair and not very good-looking), I couldn't like him.

    I saw her not telling him about Logan as "DUH!"

    Yeah, that was just annoying. Would it have killed RT to have her acknowledge that Logan is her boyfriend. Donut gets "honest and adorable" (regardless of whether either fits) and Logan gets a blank stare. Lovely.

    But Logan' reaction to Piz was classic. Totally a Duncan connection (anyone remember the argyle Logan wore?)and I like that he didn't try to be nice.

    It was a great moment, but also sad because I could see in that look and comment that Logan knows right there he's got some competition. Now, most of us don't see Piz as competition, but we know that that is exactly how RT is setting it up. And that made me sad.

    I am on the fence about Parker; I want to see what they actually do with her.

    Don't get me wrong, I wasn't impressed with the character! I just thought that the ACTRESS brought a lot of life and vivacity to the role. (Unlike the other newbie.)

    And there definitely needs to be more Wallace/Veronica time.

    YES!!!!

    The scenes with Dick in them were all perfect, and the reason I think this episode was great. He was literally unraveling before you, and seeing the expression on his face at the end was so sad. He just looked so lost.

    As I said, this was definitely the best part of the episode for me. So yuppers!

    And I'm glad Logan just took him in, all awkward and cute. They are very cute together.

    They are and it's sad that the acknowledgement can't be made that Logan IS a good guy who's never had anyone do for him what he did for Dick. Sure, Veronica helped in in LotB and held him in RB when he brokedown, but she was doing it with reservations. Logan not only opened his door to Dick, he opened his heart fully. And that's something that no one has ever done for Logan. (The Pink Pastel doesn't count because she didn't really know Logan and had no clue who he really was.)

    I love Logan...and you are so right, Veronica doesn't love him the same. I really hope that's not what they're story angle is going to be, or I will throw something at the screen.

    It sure seems like it from this episode. Sigh.
    harper47harper47 on September 26th, 2006 05:58 pm (UTC)
    I love your in depth comments Jennifer. I don't always agree with them but I love the time and the passion you put into them. I'm in total agreement with the credits love. I'll just say word.

    Re Piz: I also got that vibe and may I just put out a general blech. He's okay. But he was obviously wearing a sign that said "sweet boy we should root for" in all his scenes with Veronica.

    I truly just want to find RT and start hitting him over the head with a big pocketbook.

    Ahem.

    Loved the key scene.

    And finally - Ryan was terrific. He is getting my A+ when we do the drama club highlights because he rocked everyone of his scenes. Great job and I agree - he has now moved into the falsely accused Logan role. The final scene between Logan and Dick was just all kinds of wonderful.

    And finally, finally - Logan is so sad. Jason played his scenes with an undertone of sadness and almost foregone hopelessness. Which almost makes me want to cry. After hugging him.

    Loved the frak scene. Loved it. Hee!

    Arabian: Epicarabian on September 26th, 2006 10:55 pm (UTC)
    I love your in depth comments Jennifer. I don't always agree with them but I love the time and the passion you put into them. I'm in total agreement with the credits love. I'll just say word.

    Thank you and GOSH YES! I LOVED everything about the new credits. I don't understand the complaints of the overall look and feel. They are perfect for VM!

    Re Piz: I also got that vibe and may I just put out a general blech.

    Thank you. It was just so obvious to me and I have to say I'm actually a little shocked at the number of people saying that it's subjective and we're reading in to it when all of the pre-premiere press was about this guy as a love interest. I don't think it's subjective. AT ALL!

    He's okay.

    Wow, you're way more generous than I. I want him in the lowlight write-up. PLEASE?

    But he was obviously wearing a sign that said "sweet boy we should root for" in all his scenes with Veronica.

    Yeah and that's why I'm frustrated with people saying it's not there and it doesn't matter with the credits and what we did get for LoVe, lalalala because it DOES matter. We know how great Lo/Ve are and so can appreciate the good stuff there, but new viewers? They were given NO REASON to root for Logan/Veronica and EVERY reason to root fot Cheney.

    I truly just want to find RT and start hitting him over the head with a big pocketbook.

    Wow, again, way more generous than I. I was thinking more violence.

    Loved the key scene.

    I liked that one, but my favorite was still the second part of the not-sex scene. From when she's doing the voiceover (which I, in my world of minority, LOVED -- I thought it read as Veronica saying look at my boy in there, of course I get why you'd take a hs bf to college!) to talking to Keith with Logan coming up behind her.

    And finally - Ryan was terrific. He is getting my A+ when we do the drama club highlights because he rocked everyone of his scenes.

    I already put his name into the breakdown (and CL's in the LL.)

    Great job and I agree - he has now moved into the falsely accused Logan role.

    Yeah, the fact that so many saw/heard Dick outside Parker's door? Totally gonna come back and bite him in the ass.

    The final scene between Logan and Dick was just all kinds of wonderful.

    It was.

    And finally, finally - Logan is so sad. Jason played his scenes with an undertone of sadness and almost foregone hopelessness. Which almost makes me want to cry. After hugging him.

    You're right, he did. He really did. He should get a highlight too!

    Loved the frak scene. Loved it. Hee!

    I thought it would be lame, but they did da really good job with it.
    Hey, wait, what's going on?: L/Vmycenae on September 26th, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC)
    Piz was definitely underwhelming and not that great of an actor. Hopefully we saw so much of him because the MotW centered on him and in the future he'll be more background. Or not in episodes. While it did seem like they were setting up Veronica/Piz (Vep, hee) the fact that L/V is in the credits makes me hope that it is PERMANENT and will survive whatever weirdness RT feels like putting them through this season. I was bummed that V didn't have Logan along as "muscle" at the concert. I mean, it's not like he's doing anything, apparently. I know they wanted to save the "Piz realizes Veronica, his one true love, has a boyfriend" scene for later, but still, boo. I didn't like how he was segregated from the other important people in her life, Wallace and Mac. I'd like to see them hanging as a group and stuff. Hopefully this will change once Logan GOES TO CLASS with Wallace. Seriously, he goes all the way to campus to eat at the cafeteria with Veronica, but then doesn't go to class? So why is she carrying his books? Oh, whatever. GO TO CLASS Logan.
    Arabian: LoVe _ Squee!!!arabian on September 26th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC)
    Piz was definitely underwhelming and not that great of an actor.

    Agreed and to be shallow, I find him SOOOO FUG!!! Seriously.

    Hopefully we saw so much of him because the MotW centered on him and in the future he'll be more background.

    I dunno. I think the may actually have had about 70% of the screentime L/V had the first 11 eps of last season in this one episode. Rob was REALLY pushing these two with a LOT of depth. You'd think, he'd spent that kinda time on, oh, I don't know Veronica and her BOYFRIEND! so that new viewers could appreciate them. And maybe show Piz with Wallace!!! who got so little screentime? Just a thought.

    While it did seem like they were setting up Veronica/Piz (Vep, hee)

    Nah, I call 'em Cheney.

    the fact that L/V is in the credits makes me hope that it is PERMANENT and will survive whatever weirdness RT feels like putting them through this season.

    Oh, I'm sure they're the end plan. RT knows he has no choice, but if the show gets cancelled, I'm fairly certain that unless he is given all 13 eps and told specifically to put them together in the last couple that we'll end the show with them broken up and probably bitter towards one another while she's with the perfectPiz!

    I was bummed that V didn't have Logan along as "muscle" at the concert. I mean, it's not like he's doing anything, apparently. I know they wanted to save the "Piz realizes Veronica, his one true love, has a boyfriend" scene for later, but still, boo. I didn't like how he was segregated from the other important people in her life, Wallace and Mac. I'd like to see them hanging as a group and stuff.

    YES! YES! YES!!!

    Hopefully this will change once Logan GOES TO CLASS with Wallace. Seriously, he goes all the way to campus to eat at the cafeteria with Veronica, but then doesn't go to class? So why is she carrying his books? Oh, whatever. GO TO CLASS Logan.

    I KNOW!!!!!
    sowell: LoVe by tonic2wsowell on September 27th, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
    I really liked it. I actually thought it was a strong first episode.

    Although, I really DIDN'T like Parker and I really DID like Piz, despite my efforts to the contrary. :) I thought he was quite charming. They're definitely setting new viewers up to root for him. Logan wasn't given anything really outstanding to do, and Piz got a LOT of cutesy screen time. If this were the first episode I'd ever seen, I just wouldn't understand all the intense history behind Logan and Veronica's relationship. Moments like that scene where he gives her the key wouldn't have the same resonance.

    I think RT understands that Logan and Veronica are the real story, I really do...but yeah, I think we're going to be subjected to some Cheney in the meantime. I just hope they manage to do something differently this time around, because if they just have Piz charm Veronica away from Logan, just because he's all nice and angst-free... Yeah, that will have me a little up in arms.

    Also - I really liked the credits. Fits the show so much better.
    crowandfog: VM: Veronica OMGcrowandfog on May 10th, 2011 06:32 am (UTC)
    Not Ep Related - Just Thoughts on all the Spoiler Stuff
    I read all your pre-S3 spoiler posts, and, WOW, I'm glad that I was not watching when this show aired. I wasn't super into spoilers back then, but I would have undoubtedly come across something in the press that would have been very, very upsetting.

    Re: KB. IMO by not watching the show, I think she might have missed an opportunity to understand her character better, and I wonder if that's why V was harder and harder to sympathize with as the show went on? (You know, aside from the fact that in S3 V was pretty much written as a horrible person. And I used to think that Weevil was wrong when he kept telling V that she was an 09er deep down...) Maybe KB never got to see the bigger picture so a lot of the subtext for Veronica was missing??? And as for her opinion on L/V, um, if anyone was losing their self-worth in that relationship, it was LOGAN. WTF script was she reading???

    Re: RT. He reminds me of JP from TVD in that he says one thing, but what comes across the screen is completely different. LOL! I never got the impression on VM that Duncan was (or was even supposed to be) the love of V's life. I got the impression that she THOUGHT he was--like Logan thought LILY was his. Even without the dramatic interruptions that ended them, I never thought either relationship (V/D or L/L) had a chance of being long-term, at least not healthily. I thought we were being introduced to their FIRST love before we saw their TRUE love. Also, I think the PizPimpathon from RT was part smoothing things over after a spoiler leak and part bitterness because he had to change his original vision. (But isn't that part of the magic when a person creates really vivid characters? Don't they almost always take on a life of their own? Aren't the actors themselves variables that automatically create new outcomes? If it can be planned from A to Z before it even airs, then it's probably dull.)

    I'll rewatch each ep before I comment on your review posts to help me remember what my thoughts were.
    crowandfog: VM: Logan/V I thought our story was epiccrowandfog on May 10th, 2011 09:02 am (UTC)
    Actual Episode Thoughts, Pt. 1
    I loved everything about the new credits.

    Parker was really cute. I liked having a non-cynical, non-neurotic, non-evil female character on the show again. Also, Julie Gonzalo did a great job with the morning after her rape.

    Wallace managed to be endearing even with his itty bitty screen time.

    I've enjoyed Dick as a character since late S1 (he was just so entertaining!), but I really fell hard for him in this episode. Ryan Hansen was fantastic. Dick hitting on the girl in the cafeteria (combined of course with the L/V schmoopiness) was my favorite part of the premiere! I also became a HUGE fan of his friendship with Logan.

    I was disappointed that there wasn't more Logan in the episode since he and V are supposed to be dating. He didn't go to the concert with her? I mean, V made a comment about Wallace and Piz being all the muscle she could round up on short notice, but WTF? Isn't being Veronica's muscle on short notice part of Logan's characterization at this point? What was he doing that he couldn't make it? He doesn't have a family. He doesn't have a job. He doesn't regularly attend classes. That was just BIZARRE to me, and it needed a better explanation. And it made it even weirder that Veronica was spending so much of her free time with Mac. I like Mac, but I never got the impression that she and V went to the movies and shared drinks and whatnot. Remember when Wallace used to complain because V never ever just hung out with him? Why was she having a girls' night? Why wasn't she with her boyfriend (again)? Why wasn't she with Wallace? I know they needed to incorporate the Parker/rape storyline, but it was just kinda off to me.

    Chris Lowell actually portrayed my fave character on Private Practice, which may or may not mean that he has any talent, LOL! But I thought that he was pretty awkward here, and not in an endearing way (like he was probably meant to be).

    I had a hard time believing that Piz would be so immediately obsessed with ONE girl in only the FIRST WEEK of his freshman year at college. He and Wallace watching girls sunbathe in the quad was a lot more realistic. When I was a college freshman, my male friends who weren't already in a committed relationship kept their options as open as possible for at least a semester. They were overwhelmed by the huge increase in the dating pool. Piz's looks of disappointment upon finding out V has a boyfriend were super over the top. That combined with the EXTRA LONG pause after "So was that guy your boyfriend?" had me rolling my eyes and groaning. So heavy-handed.
    crowandfog: VM: Logan/V I thought our story was epiccrowandfog on May 10th, 2011 09:03 am (UTC)
    Actual Episode Thoughts, Pt. 2
    Things that started turning me against Veronica: 1.) She didn't even bother to participate in Landry's murder mystery game. She just looked it up online. It was disrespectful. And on top of that she insulted the TA in front of the entire class. I know she's supposed to be a BAMF, but that was just obnoxious. If I'd been in her class, I would have talked smack about her to my friends all day. 2.) I found it absolutely APPALLING that V, a rape victim, made jokes at a Take Back the Night rally. WHA??? Why was she not more emotionally invested in that case?

    Veronica came across to me as being far more self-absorbed and hardboiled than she'd ever been before. If that was supposed to be the result of what happened with Beaver--like Logan's general melancholy, Dick's surly drunkenness, and Mac's sexual shutdown--then they should have made that more clear.

    Keith and the Fitzpatricks bored me, and I just didn't really understand what was going on there. I think it was lacking for me because we didn't get to see the usual "I've got a job for you" conversation that sets up the case. Instead we started in media res. Also, how come V was smart enough to check for bugs after a run-in with Vinnie (in a past season), but Keith wasn't? I thought that was a bit OOC.

    Overall, I was entertained, but it wasn't the best episode ever. My connection to the secondary characters was pretty much strengthened all around, but I started feeling a bit distant from our spunky heroine. I'd watch it again definitely, but I'd fast-forward over the Keith/Cormac/Kendall parts. And probably the Piz/Veronica alone together parts, too (which is actually really sad considering that includes the MOTW resolution).