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05 March 2017 @ 05:17 pm
8.15 - 'We're Planning a June Wedding' (The Vampire Diaries)  
The penultimate episode. Dun dun dun…

Well, not to start on a not-so-positive note, but I have to say it. Last week's episode was better. At first I thought I felt that way because of my expectation of seeing Nina Dobrev again (even only as Katherine, with maybe a glimpse of Elena in the final moments). I realized fairly soon into the episode—when we only saw the back of "Katherine" and so little of her—that we wouldn't actually be getting Dobrev in this episode. *sigh* So, yeah, I gave it a thought that my estimation that "It's Been A Hell Of A Ride" was better was solely because of that lack. However, thinking back over the whole episode and how disappointment has initially flavored great episodes in the past, I realized that it really was just a case of the prior one being better. When an episode is amazing, any pre-built expectation disappointment quickly dissipates for me.

Now, this is not to say that this outing was not very good. It was; and in fact there were aspects of it that were great. It was just that overall, it didn't quite have that (haha!) epic feel. I think that was mostly because the first quarter of the episode dragged just a bit. On the whole, though, it was still really good. And the Stefan and Caroline nuptials at the heart of the episode were beautiful.

Really, truly beautiful. The thought and history that went into those off-the-cuff vows was resplendent. As a long-time fan of the pairing—going back to the second episode of the second season—I remembered every moment referenced and every one made me smile. As wonderful as every single one of those callbacks were, my favorite part of the vows was something new and bittersweet. Oh, but it was so, so beautiful. Caroline telling Stefan that she would remember this moment in a hundred years… for the both of them. That line, more than any other moment, reflected the reality of a vampire and human choosing to spend what they have of their lives together. Ah, my ♥ … they really got me there. So beautiful. But then, like I said, everything about this wedding was beautiful. From Caroline—Candice King just looked gorgeous—to Stefan, so handsome in his suit. The setting, the sunlight shining down upon them, Stefan smiling with such quiet happiness as he watched her walk down the aisle to him and Caroline radiating with joy, barely taking her eyes off of her intended.

  

There were the few bits of perfectly timed humor (most courtesy of their officiator, Damon), the baiting of Katherine and then the moment when they realized there was no Katherine, just the two of them and that this was it. All of it was just so right. And those vows… *sigh* winging it, they soared high. It's not a surprise that both would know what to say in that moment. They have been through so much together (especially recently) and Stefan, while lacking his vampire memory skills now, thinks and thinks and overthinks everything so, of course, he would remember some key moments in their relationship. Plus, with Caroline, he has given more than a few romance-filled speeches so, really, this was par for the course for him. And Caroline, even though she has that vampiric memory, I don't think that she would have had any problem coming up with every word even if she did not.

While the 'hundred years' mention was my favorite part, of the callbacks, ones of the few that they both referenced touched me deepest. That was from one of the episodes I consider one of the series' very best, "Pictures Of You," and one of my favorite Stefan and Caroline scenes.

  

"I think someday you'll meet someone new and you'll fall madly in love and you'll have moved on without even realizing it." And then Caroline and Stefan looked at one another, lost in each other's eyes for just a teeny second before they both realized what had happened in that teeny second and each had another teeny second of whoah! reaction before looking away, just pretending it didn't happen. But you know what? That was an anvil, folks! Oh yeah, baby, it's GONNA happen! Uh huh!
And here we are nearly four years later—"Pictures Of You" was episode 19 of the fourth season—and it has indeed happened. *double sigh* I also have to say that having a reference to the very first time that Caroline saw Stefan in the Pilot was a lovely little touch. After all, it's not like we didn't actually see Caroline take a gander at the "new mystery guy" and decide she wanted some of that!

  

I also liked that Stefan and Caroline both called back to his 'when you're ready for me, I'll be ready for you' speech because its placement, intercut between Damon and Elena's goodbye and dance, essentially told viewers that Stefan and Caroline—like Damon and Elena—were an endgame couple. Remembering that moment in their vows consolidated that status.

  

Really, I liked everything and every word, every smile, every look from beginning to end. I can pick and parse every line of those vows and find something that I love, but, really, they speak for themselves.

Stefan: Caroline, you have been my friend, my conscience, my sounding board. You saw light in me when all I saw was darkness. You saved me from despair. You told me once that I would fall madly in love without realizing it. And that's what happened. Day by day, bit by bit, year by year. With you.
  

Caroline: I remember saying that to you. We were dancing at my prom. It's funny the things we remember out of all the years that go by. I remember how you told me that when I was ready for you, you would be ready for me. I'm ready now. I think a part of me has been ready for this day since the moment I first saw you, the new mystery guy in the hallway at school. I will always remember this moment. A hundred years from now, I will remember this moment for the both of us.
  
  

And then came the exchange of the rings, the smiles, and then Stefan Salvatore kissed his bride, Caroline Elizabeth Forbes Salvatore.

  
  

It was really nice to see just pure happiness from the moment Stefan and Caroline began to exchange their vows until Kelly Donovan gave her toast. It's pretty rare to see such an extended dose of happy on this show (OK, fine, thanks to Bonnie we had some bittersweet, but overall… the dominant emotion was bliss). I appreciated that we weren't just given that beautiful wedding, but also some sweet, romantic moments at the reception before it all went downhill… as things do on The Vampire Diaries.

  

The only thing that I didn't love about the nuptials was hearing Alaric's emo-voice-over when Caroline first appeared in her wedding dress. Of course, pretty much everything with Alaric was 'eh, whatever' for me. When he came in with the girls—they're so cute!—much to Caroline's elation, his whole downer attitude just did nothing for me. Fool is standing there acting like he lost out on this great life with Caroline and I'm all like 'NO!' Firstly, as I've pointed out more than once, Alaric was not in love with Caroline Forbes. He loved(s) her, but he was never in love with her. He was in love with the idea of being in love, while subconsciously knowing that by not truly being in love he would never feel the devastation that he had when he lost Isobel… and Jenna… and Jo. Needless to say, the wee bit of guilt-tripping he was laying on Caroline there was not cool.

Oh, and I imagine that I was supposed to be moved by his speech about his losses is what created family (or whatever), but yeah, Ric you've been nothing but a complete dick to Damon (but for a few brief moments here and there… *very* brief, I might add) since you came back from the dead. You put the safety of a woman you'd been dating for a few months (and one who had a crap-ton of protection surrounding her) over the life and sanity of a 19-year old girl who was fairly daughter-like to you. You've shoved away and turned on almost every single member of the Scooby Gang at one point or another—including Caroline—in a way harsh way. Forgive me if I don't feel melancholy that you lost out on marrying your former high school student, someone who you accepted as mother to your children when it was convenient for you, and loved just enough that it was almost love, but really was just your way of protecting your heart. Pfft, family! As if Alaric knows what that word means in relation to anyone other than his daughters. (Not that I have an issue with his love for his children, but the forsaking all others… I'm just shaking my head.)

Yeah, I wish Ric had stayed on the Other Side and then just went into the light. My love for him and team!Badass would still be as strong as ever. Ah well. Hey, Damon may have lost Ric as family, but he's gained another member of the Scooby Gang along the way. Sure, things have been rough and not so nice between Damon and Caroline through much of the series' run, but in the last half of this season the two have turned a corner and it's been awesome and amazing and beautiful. Three words that (mostly) describe their interaction in this episode. From Damon's return to the Boarding House with a drunk Stefan when he snagged Caroline as his new drinking buddy to giving her something borrowed for her wedding, I was (once again) loving all things Damon and Caroline.

Caroline smiling at Damon when he extended his offer (erm, OK, more like demand) that she join him in felicitous libations put her in the company of Elena, Bonnie (and once upon a time, Alaric :sniff sniff:) who found themselves unable to resist the charms of Damon Salvatore. And giving into the temptation of Damon turned out to be a good thing for Caroline, lifting her spirits upon the eve of her dream wedding not quite following her long-held plans. And it was lovely for viewers because it gave us another nod to the "gone, but never forgotten" Liz Forbes: Dear friend to Damon Salvatore, and beloved mother of Caroline Forbes soon to be Salvatore. And that beautiful toast to Liz led to Damon sincerely saying nice things about Caroline. More than complimenting her, he also welcomed her to the Salvatore family. Aww!

  

The continued beauty of their new friendship showed itself in Caroline not only being moved by Damon's words, but in how she opened up to him about her feelings regarding her disappointment that Liz, her girls, and both of her best friends, Bonnie and Elena, would not be at her wedding. Unable to help with the first four individuals, Damon did what he could to help with the latter. Pulling out that locket that once upon a time was Esther's, then Rebekah's and then Elena's… that locket that once stood for Elena's hope in Stefan but now stands for Damon's selfless devotion to her and Elena's own love and strength, Damon reminded Caroline of her gesture to him at Christmas.

While I was then (and still am) annoyed that when doing so she told Damon the gift was for when he was willing to ask her forgiveness—again, for what? For saving her daughters?—it doesn't take away that she said it, Damon accepted it and it somehow made sense to them. So Damon recalling that and offering this symbol of Elena as her 'something borrowed' was a beautiful moment. (And, psst!, it's not like Damon took the opportunity given to actually ask for forgiveness, yay!)

  

As beautiful as Damon's new familial relations are, in the end it always comes back to Damon and his baby brother (and how much did I love that Damon managed to sneak 'baby brother' into the ceremony? SO MUCH!). First there was Damon assuring Stefan that the person who killed Enzo is not who he is now. Initially when he said that to him, I had a small moment of 'What the what?' because for so long I've been preaching that ripper!Stefan *is* a part of saint!Stefan. They are two sides of the same coin. However, I realized almost immediately that this is no longer the case. Stefan is neither a ripper nor a saint because he's no longer a vampire. There is no humanity switch to turn on and off as a human… Stefan as the good, troubled, questioning young man who just wants to do the right thing is what is left. Just Stefan. And Stefan Salvatore is a good person.

He is a good person who is no longer conflicted about his brother. He loves him, period. And his brother—who let go of that conflict well before Stefan did—loves him back. Damon's speech to him in the caves, his threat to take Katherine out if she hurt his baby brother, the adorable fixing of his tie, all of it showed these two brothers back where they were before Katherine entered their lives and caused so very much chaos and mayhem.

  

As for all that Miss Katherine 'Katerina Petrova' Pierce brought to their lives, well, I did like the callbacks (even if recalling it all was a bit on the nose). Alas, Melinda Tsu Taylor (the teleplay writer for this episode) struck again. Damon recounting only the bad and *not* the good—namely without meeting Katherine, Damon would never have met Elena, nor Stefan, Caroline—was not only an oversight, it was simply out of character.

Damon: It's pretty fitting, though. The woman that started this whole mess is back to try and end it.
Stefan: I wouldn't say it was all a mess.
Damon: What are you talking about? Look at the path that she sent us down. Ripper sprees, the Originals, the cure, Silas the Other Side… I'm just saying that prison worlds, Gemini twins, Heretics, and don't get me started on doppelgangers!
Stefan: I'm just saying we had some good things happen to us, too, right?
Damon: That's very glass-half-full of you, brother.
I was fine with Stefan being all half-glass full, but here's the thing: to have Damon talk about all that Katherine led them to and *not* mention Elena as a positive was not only an oversight, out of character for Damon, but it was also a direct contradiction of Damon's "death"bed speech to Elena in "As I Lay Dying," the season 02 finale.

Damon: I've made a lot of choices that have gotten me here. I deserve this. I deserve to die.
Elena: No. You don't.
Damon: I do, Elena. It's okay. Because if I'd have chosen differently, I wouldn't have met you.
The main choice that Damon was talking about in that conversation with Elena was about choosing to love Katherine, choosing to turn for Katherine. So to have him reference all of the turmoil and madness that came with Katherine in their lives, and to not mention the joy and love that wound up as a result as well just rankled. It took some of my enjoyment out of that scene between the Brothers Salvatore. (Grr!) At least everything else with them was wonderful. Not only the pre-Katherine-bones cave scene, the afore-mentioned moments while Stefan was getting ready before the wedding, but also that final bit before he tied the knot. Maybe I'm being too hopeful, but I'm thinking there is a possibility that we may get a glimpse of a Damon and Elena wedding in the finale because of that last exchange Stefan and Damon had.

Stefan: Hope I get to see you have this one day with Elena. A wedding, a human life all of it.
Damon: I want you to be there, too, brother. 'Cause I'm gonna need a best man. Hopefully your hero hair hasn't fallen out by then.
I just wonder if it was a bit of foreshadowing there. Now I don't expect a whole ceremony as we got with Stefan and Caroline in this episode for a couple of reasons. Firstly, yes, as a Damon and Elena fan, I would adore it. However, as a fan of the show itself (and television in general), I know that having another wedding in its entirety two episodes in a row would not work. Way too redundant. But I could see in some flashforward, a long shot of the two reciting vows at an altar, surrounded by family and friends, and then their first kiss as husband and wife, but the words unheard and instead we hear a beautiful song playing over the scene. And I would be OK with that because Damon and Elena have already said about a zillion variations of vows to one another already. So just having that little bit would work for me. Will it happen? Who knows, but I can dream. It would be a lovely happy ending to their extraordinary love story.

On the other hand, it sure does seem that Bonnie will not be getting that happy ending with Enzo. How things ended in this episode are how I hope things stay… for a couple of reasons. Firstly, yes, I have made it clear that I am not a fan of the pairing. I was willing to see where things went after the finale, but the non-stop lollipops and unicorns raining rainbows and sunshine over them without it being earned just did not work for me. UNLESS… this is their ending. As I've said in the last few wite-ups, if Enzo is truly dead, and stays truly dead, what we had of Bonnie and Enzo will be a tragically beautifully love that just wasn't meant to be. Finally, if Enzo somehow, miraculously comes back to the Earthly realm of the living for the first time—in my opinion—a return from the great beyond will play as cheap and will undermine all of the grief that has been heavily lain over Bonnie since his death.

Speaking of that grief, I completely understood where Bonnie was coming from in not wanting to go to Stefan's wedding. It wasn't about not wanting to be there for Caroline—she desperately wanted to do that—but the fact that she was marrying the man who killed her love… and so recently. I understand. And I loved that Caroline completely understood too and was just grateful that Bonnie was still there with her as her best friend. Also, yeah, I knew there was no way that something wouldn't happen that would lead to Bonnie showing up for Caroline when push came to shove. That is just who Bonnie Bennett is.

What else Bonnie is… is magical. I was happy to see her finally get that magic back because one of the beautiful things the show has done in relation to this character is make it clear that magic is not just a tool or a cheat, it's a gift and a burden and at the same time, it is a very part of Bonnie's soul. Of course, once that magic returned, she got hit by the Maxwell Bell whammy… is she unconscious or did she die? I actually think that there is a good possibility that she did or will die—not so that she gets that "happy" ever after with Enzo in death—but rather so that we can *finally* have that parallel I've been waiting for since the second episode of season 07. (Note, I put "happy" in quotation marks above because no way in hell would I consider her dying to be with Enzo a happy ending for my beloved Bonnie.)

Matt died, but he was brought back by Bonnie and that got me to thinking of how Bonnie had brought Matt back to life in season 03's episode 05, "The Reckoning" by using CPR. We learned in that episode that Bonnie *and* Matt were lifeguards one summer and they both knew how to do that. So when I thought that season 07 was the final season, I figured that would be a great way to bring Elena back. Something happens to Bonnie, she literally dies, but Matt is able to bring her back using non-magical CPR. Well, as we all know, season 07 was not the last, but that doesn't mean that parallel can't still be used. So Bonnie dies because of the psychic Maxwell Bell and Matt and Damon come upon Stefan and Bonnie in time for Matt to save Bonnie's life bringing that moment full-circle.

Now, the CPR may still happen, but I'm thinking that it's an even greater possibility (sadly) that it will be Stefan who brings her back. You know, to help atone for his ripper!Stefan actions. And I can get behind that, but, man, you just know that I wish so much if they go that route that it would be my Matty. Because—wah!—yes, I still have a lingering kernel of hope for future flashforward Matt and Bonnie, dangit! *sigh* We'll see, but, well, it's just a kernel at this point. Hey, at least Damon and Matt do seem to be in a good place. There at the end, the two of them were questioning Kelly together, on the same side. Booyah!

Oh, yeah, Kelly. Well, that was pretty unexpectedly awesome, and it made perfect sense. Considering the history we know of her and Matt, and what we know of Kelly as a person, it was absolutely believable that upon hearing again from Peter, the father of her two children, she would fall right back into things with him and decide that they could be a happy family. And on the flip side, when she faced Matt during her "toast" and glared at him when she mentioned being sent packing, it brought me right back to that episode when he did that very thing. Fantastic use of the show's history (per usual).

Also fantastic was the reveal that Kelly was dead, and had slipped through Hell's door at the behest of the new queen, Katherine. Even better was the reveal that the slinky figure we had seen causing mayhem throughout the episode wasn't Katherine after all, but Vicki Donovan. I love this show so much! They literally used the fact that everyone believes that Nina Dobrev isn't coming back until the finale to explain the lack of seeing "Katherine's" face to hold onto Kelly's final secret. So brilliant, and they totally fooled me. (Maybe that's why I think it's so brilliant? LOL!) Even though I had seen Kayla Ewell's name in the credits, I forgot about it as the episode progressed. Therefore, when Matt mentioned that the ringing of the bell would do no good unless it was a Maxwell doing the deed, I actually wondered if we were going to find out that the Maxwell line descended from Katerina Petrova. But no… as Kelly said, Matt wasn't her only child.

Oh, and Vicki choosing to destroy Mystic Falls is completely in character as well. She was miserable there, was looked down upon and treated as less than her whole life. The one person you imagine that she wouldn't want to see hurt would be Matt… ah ah, but remember when she crossed over from the Other Side back in season 03, Matt chose to send her back to her death instead of letting her take out Elena. Vicki Donovan has always been vindictive. She would do this to punish Mystic Falls and everyone in it… including her brother.

And with that, let us touch upon random thoughts –

- When the guy in the beginning (that Vicki killed) recognized her, I was confused as first because I thought why would he be reacting to Katherine? And then figured, oh, OK, Elena… but do people know/think she is dead? Which, yeah, I guess they would, but would the gang have made a big deal about it? I don't think so. So when the reveal with Vicki happened, I remembered that scene and realized, nope, the guy was reacting to Vicki Donovan, the girl from the wrong side of town whose body was discovered on a stormy night weeks after she had disappeared. So cool.

- Hah, Damon getting Stefan drunk was hilarious. And I especially loved it because it gave us (at least) one more sign of Damon "Mr. Clean" Salvatore. Grabbing that bucket in case Stefan lost his cookies and then reminding him to use it since it was a $10,000 (!) rug.

- Not so much loving? How casually Dorian said "Katherine," like he had any clue who she really was, as if he'd met her, etc. It just didn't work for me. He should have said something like "This Katherine," or something that indicated he got that she was a big deal, but he didn't know her personally. (Another small little biff by Tsu Taylor. *sigh*)

- Speaking of her, I mentioned that Tsu Taylor had an off bit with Damon mentioning only the bad that Katherine's presence brought to their lives. Well, there was one other bit that rubbed me the wrong way. Liz did *not* hate Damon in the beginning. She was his friend, a good friend, before she found out he was a vampire… and then she moved past that to recapture that early friendship. (Don't be rewriting the beauty of Damon and Liz's friendship, yo!)

- Another little misdirection was Vicki texting "Game on" to Kelly. Who doesn't remember that famous line from Katherine to Caroline to tell the rest of the gang?

- I mentioned after Matt overseeing the Founder's Day capsule ceremony that I thought the finale would be another Founder's Day anniversary as was the first season finale. Sure enough, at one point during this episode we saw a Founder's Day parade sign. Uh huh.

- I recognized Katherine's cameo necklace right away and would have been disappointed if Stefan (or Damon) did not do so as well. Of course, Stefan did. Of course. Nice little touch there.

- Hah! Damon called Stefan and Caroline "epic lovebirds." Get it? Epic… the show has now used "epic" to describe both Damon and Elena and Stefan and Caroline. Haha!

- Whee! I loved the little moment with Damon leading the ring bearers to do their duty: "Munchkins. Rings. Now."

  

- Speaking of those little munchkins… I admit it, I love those little girls… they are so adorable. All happy in their fancy dresses and throwing flowers around the room to "practice," aww! Ooh, and when they were dancing together at wedding, so cute!

- Nice dancing scene there with Damon and Bonnie, having a bonding, friendship moment.

- I loved Kelly's "Step aside gorgeous. We made out once. Super hot," because, again, I love the show using its own history. But also because as soon as Kelly interrupted Damon, I immediately thought, 'heh, they made out once.'

- It was cool how Bonnie and the twins got out of the fiery mansion. And it was a nice callback to the first big magical moment that Bonnie did, lighting all of the candles in "Family Ties" (season 01, episode 04). Yes, yes, she had seen those numbers in the third episode but that was her psychic ability, not the magic.

- Hmm, I appreciated that little mention of Valerie. She's still out there and alive. Good for her.

- So a friend was wondering why Kelly had that bloody nose and was vomiting, as well as Vicki. I figure it's because Hell is dying without Cade around to power it. We'll see.

Well, there you have it… the write-up for the second-to-last episode ever of The Vampire Diaries. It was a really good one, if not awesomely outstanding as the previous outing was, but I did adore Stefan and Caroline's wedding; it was so beautiful. Now we have one episode left… and with it the return of Elena Gilbert and Damon and Elena's reunion. *SQUEE*
 
 
 
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on March 5th, 2017 10:51 pm (UTC)
The twist with Vicki, not Katherine, being the one walking around Mystic Falls, plotting and conniving, was indeed brilliant. It actually made up for Nina's absence as either Katherine or Elena. Of course, both will be back in style for the grand finale, so that helps. As for the wedding...I very nearly teared up. I'm man enough to admit that. :)

It sucks that Melinda Tsu Taylor keeps dropping the ball in small ways, but at least we don't have to deal with her anymore. The finale is, after all, written by the two original showrunners and directed by one of them. I imagine it's going to be spectacular and tie everything together very nicely, rather than engage in some BS backstabbing of us loyal viewers. :P
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline03arabian on March 7th, 2017 02:11 am (UTC)
It actually made up for Nina's absence as either Katherine or Elena.

Well, I wouldn't go that far for me... I just miss my precious cupcake face Elena and the baddest bitch of all that is Katherine. Oh heck, I just miss Nina!

Of course, both will be back in style for the grand finale, so that helps.

Yeah, and I honestly don't know if that was part of why I didn't love this one as I had hoped too.

As for the wedding...I very nearly teared up. I'm man enough to admit that. :)

Good on you... and I don't blame you, it was so, so beautiful!

It sucks that Melinda Tsu Taylor keeps dropping the ball in small ways, but at least we don't have to deal with her anymore.

Yeah, it really does. And it's a shame because other than her errors, she writes some great episodes... it's just those mistakes for die-hard fans are so glaring. As for not having to deal with her anymore, I actually had that very thought myself too!

The finale is, after all, written by the two original showrunners and directed by one of them. I imagine it's going to be spectacular and tie everything together very nicely, rather than engage in some BS backstabbing of us loyal viewers. :P

Yup, I quite look forward to see what Kevin & Julie (and Julie) are going to give us. SQUEE!
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on March 7th, 2017 04:40 am (UTC)
Hey, I totally miss Nina in all her beauty, too. I'm just saying that I was pouting over them not showing Katherine's face, but once they revealed it was actually Vicki, I thought, "Oh! Okay then, that makes sense! :)"

As for the return of Nina's characters, some idiots actually think Katherine will ruin Elena's reunion with Damon by stealing the dark blue dress and pretending to be her. As if she could ever fake Elena's joy at seeing him again - her coldness in the middle of Season Five, anyone? I'd be surprised if Katherine even shows up on-screen before Elena does.

Oooh, that reminds me - this is complete speculation on my part and not backed by anything, so don't fret about spoilers, but I have a theory. Kai said he'd made sure there were no loopholes with the spell linking Elena and Bonnie, SO! What if Bonnie temporarily dies, allowing Elena to wake up long enough to see Damon (and Stefan, but that ship is long sunk, so I don't count him :P), but then Matt or someone else revives Bonnie and Elena - dun dun dun - falls back into her coma? Ergo, the only way to wake her up for good is for whoever's linked to her to die permanently. So Bonnie, having her magic back, needs to transfer the spell onto someone who's willing to die, or who's going to die soon anyway. Stefan volunteers so that his brother can be happy, says his goodbyes to everyone - but THEN! Tyler, who escaped from Hell like Kai, Vicki, and Kelly did, steps in and takes Stefan's place, thus earning his way into Heaven - he sacrifices his chance at living again so that his friends can be happy. So Damon gets the remaining cure from Elena, they go off to get married and have their human life together, Stefan and Caroline get their own slightly less conventional life together, Bonnie gets to live and heal from losing Enzo, Katherine is thwarted for good, and the series ends pretty darn happily.

What do you think? Sound plausible?

Edited at 2017-03-07 04:41 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elena09arabian on March 10th, 2017 09:53 pm (UTC)
I wanted to get to this before the SERIES FINALE!!!!

Hey, I totally miss Nina in all her beauty, too. I'm just saying that I was pouting over them not showing Katherine's face, but once they revealed it was actually Vicki, I thought, "Oh! Okay then, that makes sense! :)"

Ah, gotcha! Makes sense.

As for the return of Nina's characters, some idiots actually think Katherine will ruin Elena's reunion with Damon by stealing the dark blue dress and pretending to be her.

Really?! If this were NOT the series finale, I'd think that was possible, but I can't see it happening NOW. Not enough time. (Now if the finale was 2 hours... AS IT SHOULD BE, then yeah, but not a regular-sized episode.)

ETA: Or not! LOL! But, yeah, Damon wasn't fooled once he held her in his arms!

As if she could ever fake Elena's joy at seeing him again - her coldness in the middle of Season Five, anyone? I'd be surprised if Katherine even shows up on-screen before Elena does.

True, true.

Oooh, that reminds me - this is complete speculation on my part and not backed by anything, so don't fret about spoilers, but I have a theory. Kai said he'd made sure there were no loopholes with the spell linking Elena and Bonnie, SO! What if Bonnie temporarily dies, allowing Elena to wake up long enough to see Damon (and Stefan, but that ship is long sunk, so I don't count him :P), but then Matt or someone else revives Bonnie and Elena - dun dun dun - falls back into her coma? Ergo, the only way to wake her up for good is for whoever's linked to her to die permanently. So Bonnie, having her magic back, needs to transfer the spell onto someone who's willing to die, or who's going to die soon anyway. Stefan volunteers so that his brother can be happy, says his goodbyes to everyone - but THEN! Tyler, who escaped from Hell like Kai, Vicki, and Kelly did, steps in and takes Stefan's place, thus earning his way into Heaven - he sacrifices his chance at living again so that his friends can be happy. So Damon gets the remaining cure from Elena, they go off to get married and have their human life together, Stefan and Caroline get their own slightly less conventional life together, Bonnie gets to live and heal from losing Enzo, Katherine is thwarted for good, and the series ends pretty darn happily.

I think it makes sense... BUT if Bonnie dies, well, she dies. And that was the spell, Elena's sleep is connected to Bonnie's. If Bonnie dies,
then Elena wakes up. But who knows? This is The Vampire Diaries... you could be onto something.


Edited at 2017-03-11 05:21 am (UTC)
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on March 12th, 2017 02:15 am (UTC)
Yeah, when that happened in the finale, I all but yelled, "OH, COME ON!" I guess I should've known it wouldn't be that easy for us to get Elena back. Still, at least we did get her back and get a proper moment of reunion for her and Damon. That helped.

And my theory was partially correct - Bonnie's heart stopping wasn't enough to revive Elena. She had to break the spell entirely. (Up yours, Kai - and more to the point, up yours, Lily!)
(Anonymous) on March 6th, 2017 01:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the wonderful recap.

Caroline telling Stefan that she would remember this moment in a hundred years… for the both of them.
Yes, this touched me the most, too.

to have Damon talk about all that Katherine led them to and *not* mention Elena as a positive was not only an oversight, out of character for Damon, but it was also a direct contradiction of Damon's "death"bed speech to Elena
Exactly. I'm glad it wasn't just me that found this part funny.

So a friend was wondering why Kelly had that bloody nose and was vomiting, as well as Vicki. I figure it's because Hell is dying without Cade around to power it.
I doubt that, because remember Kai had the same problem? So I think it's rather a "normal" problem ghosts(?)/zombies(?) experience when leaving hell.

My randoms:
- I initially thought Kelly was the person causing mayhem in the beginning scene, but obviously it was Vickie.
- Poor Matty now being an orphan (or did Peter survive?); but oh Kelly, how could you do all of this, hurting your son all over again; even if he abandoned you, you abandoned him first and he was still your freaking son!!!
- I actually loved Ric's speech about forgiveness, loss and how that made them all a family; not because of Ric, but because what he said was so touching and true (even if it doesn't really apply to him anymore, so yeah it felt weird coming from him, but still beautiful speech).
-> Ric reminds me a lot of Stefan s1: He's holding great speeches, playing the saint, acting as if he's a big part of the Scooby Gang, when he's not (anymore), being aloof and selfish and judging others when he himself is at fault, not really caring about anyone but his family (=his kids). Definitely not like s1-4 Ric anymore.
- Oh, I love Kat, she is so brilliant in such horrible ways, staying in the background and letting her pawns do the dirty work for her :) It was so typical of her seeing right through Damon's trap and not taking the bait but instead watching from afar (I actually thought that this 'game on' came from her), sending the necklace to mock them and Kelly to deliver her message prooving once again that she is always one step ahead of everyone else.
- Poor Bonnie loosing her magic right after she'd regained it. But won't her magic return after some time?
- No matter how I feel about their loveydovey relationship (and I think it really has improved ever since Enzo has died) Enzo's speech to Bonnie was so sweet and wonderful, he is so very much in love with her, enough to give her up so she can live and get happy. So selfless.

So will Vickie manage to ring the bell to the end this time? Will MF be destroyed and the Scooby Gang move on (like Buffy end of s7)? And is Bonnie really dead or just badly wounded? Was she affected like this through the siphoning or the bell?

How the writers intend to fix this whole mess with just one ep left to go is beyond me. My prediction though is that Bonnie might become the new queen of hell now with Enzo by her side (I guess now that Enzo only had to die for Bonnie to still have a happy ending when she inevitably had to die because she'd be reunited with the love of her life). I'd love for her to get a happier ending but I can't fathom how they could be able to get her back unless they somehow manage to reverse time (like in the books), because with her nose bleeding it pretty much looked like her brain got damaged (which will/has cause(d) her death?) and you cannot just help that with CPR. But if they'd actually went there and reversed time, then all the stories, everything our beloved characters have been through, etc. would become null and void, so I doubt the writers will do that.
I also wonder what will happen to Kat. I think since they do have a weapon against her, it will be put to use, otherwise the whole forging of the weapon would have been moot, so I guess she won't survive especially since nobody would feel save while Kat still walks this earth; but maybe after whomever has killed her, the writers could hint at her still being out there somewhere? That would be cool and open up possibilities for her showing up on TO, too. Who knows?

Only one ep to go now. Oh how are we gonna survive this??? sniff sniff sniff
Arabian: Bonnie09arabian on March 7th, 2017 02:10 am (UTC)
- Poor Matty now being an orphan (or did Peter survive?); but oh Kelly, how could you do all of this

Considering his parents, he's better off as an orphan, but yeah, when we last saw Peter, he was still alive. As for Kelly... ugh, she always was a terrible mother, though, right?

- I actually loved Ric's speech about forgiveness.

Maybe I'll be able to appreciate upon rewatch after Damon has his happy ending, but right now, ugh, I just can't get past what a dick Ric has become.

-> Ric reminds me a lot of Stefan s1.

I can see why some might see that, but Stefan was never an outright dick to people on a consistent basis. He had his moments, but Ric has pretty much been non-stop Ric-dick since he came back to Damon, to Stefan, to Tyler, treating Bonnie like she's not worth saving and turning on Caroline on a dime. Stefan was NEVER that bad.

(I actually thought that this 'game on' came from her)

Nah, I'm pretty darn sure that was Vicki too. In retrospect, knowing that it's Vicki, it's obvious it's her from the haircolor. Vicki has just brown hair, while Katherine has dark, dark brown, nearly black hair.

But won't her magic return after some time?

Yeah, Bonnie got her magic back when she let go of Enzo and worked with the girl. At least it seemed that way to me.

So will Vickie manage to ring the bell to the end this time? Will MF be destroyed?

I doubt it; I just can't see Julie destroying Mystic Falls.

And is Bonnie really dead or just badly wounded? Was she affected like this through the siphoning or the bell?

She was affected by the bell. Remember the ringing of the fork affected her, so the bell would as well. She just wasn't in MF when it was rang the first time so we didn't see it then.

How the writers intend to fix this whole mess with just one ep left to go is beyond me.

Me too, but they will, they totally will.

My prediction though is that Bonnie might become the new queen of hell now with Enzo by her side

Not possible. Bonnie would have to go to Hell in order for that to happen and Bonnie hasn't done anything even remotely bad enough to send her to Hell.

(I guess now that Enzo only had to die for Bonnie to still have a happy ending when she inevitably had to die because she'd be reunited with the love of her life).

If that happens, it is SO not a happy ending for Bonnie. Dying in her early twenties? No, no, no.

I'd love for her to get a happier ending

I don't think that will be necessary. She can find love again. Remember, Stefan and Elena, and Stefan and Rebekah, and Damon for Katherine, thought that they were the love of each other's lives and it wasn't the case. Bonnie is very young, she has PLENTY of time to find love again.

because with her nose bleeding it pretty much looked like her brain got damaged (which will/has cause(d) her death?) and you cannot just help that with CPR.

People get nose bleeds ALL THE TIME and it does not mean even remotely that there is brain damage. In fact, Bonnie has had several nose bleeds due to her magic and that it might cause brain damage has never ever come up.

But if they'd actually went there and reversed time, then all the stories, everything our beloved characters have been through, etc. would become null and void, so I doubt the writers will do that.

Yeah, that's so not going to happen.

I also wonder what will happen to Kat. I think since they do have a weapon against her, it will be put to use, otherwise the whole forging of the weapon would have been moot, so I guess she won't survive especially since nobody would feel save while Kat still walks this earth; but maybe after whomever has killed her, the writers could hint at her still being out there somewhere? That would be cool and open up possibilities for her showing up on TO, too. Who knows?

Nah, Nina left TVD in s6, and will have done two episodes (if you count the voice-over in the s7 finale)... she's not going to pop up on TO. I think it's safe to say that she's done with all things TVD-related, including TO. Katherine, I imagine, will be done and finished once and for all.

Only one ep to go now. Oh how are we gonna survive this??? sniff sniff sniff

I don't know. I really don't!

Edited at 2017-03-07 03:19 am (UTC)
tj2013tj2013 on March 6th, 2017 01:50 pm (UTC)
Of course I thought the whole time it was Katherine. High heels, curly hair, the way she walked. To use Vicki instead was brilliant.

So I wasn't the only one to complain about the first 10 minutes. Good to know.

When Damon started his speech about "the woman who hated him at first..." I thought he was talking about Caroline. And only when he said something along the line of "mother of a daughter" I was like Oh, he's talking about Liz.

Maybe they will exchange Bonnie's and Elena's roles? So that Bonnie dies, Elena comes back, someone will put Bonnie under a sleeping spell and in the meantime try to figure out how to bring Enzo back, and after Elena has lived her life, Bonnie can come back to Enzo, who will be waiting in the wings. (no spoiler, pure speculation).
But I like the idea of Bonnie and Matt wayyyyy better. Next week we'll know.

Loved all things about the wedding, the vows, Damon-Caroline, the Caroline-Bonnie conversation. Ric? Well, not so much.

Damon fixing Stefan's tie was adorable. Nice reference to the scene whwhen he did the same thing before Lily's funeral, but this time with a much happier note.

Finally people are actually hearing Damon's wonderful speeches. About time!

So how come Katherine's bones we lying around in that cave? I never did a rewatch of season 5. When and why did that happen again?

Wow - only one more episode left. Can't believe it. Thanks for your great recap, as always!!
Arabian: Damon&Liz01arabian on March 7th, 2017 02:06 am (UTC)
Of course I thought the whole time it was Katherine. High heels, curly hair, the way she walked. To use Vicki instead was brilliant.

So, so brilliant!

So I wasn't the only one to complain about the first 10 minutes. Good to know.

Good, it wasn't just me either! LOL!

When Damon started his speech about "the woman who hated him at first..." I thought he was talking about Caroline. And only when he said something along the line of "mother of a daughter" I was like Oh, he's talking about Liz.

Yeah, so not representative of Damon and Liz's relationship. Ugh!

Maybe they will exchange Bonnie's and Elena's roles? So that Bonnie dies, Elena comes back, someone will put Bonnie under a sleeping spell and in the meantime try to figure out how to bring Enzo back, and after Elena has lived her life, Bonnie can come back to Enzo, who will be waiting in the wings. (no spoiler, pure speculation).

But Enzo is dead-dead-DEAD! He can't come back now. I mean, I guess if they ring the bell 11 times again, but even then these souls from Hell just can't stick around on Earth without issues (someone pointed out that Kai had nose bleeds too). And I can't see them doing the sleeping beauty thing again. I don't think that Bonnie will be dead/dead. If she is, that's REALLY going to suck!

But I like the idea of Bonnie and Matt wayyyyy better. Next week we'll know.

YUP!

Loved all things about the wedding, the vows, Damon-Caroline, the Caroline-Bonnie conversation. Ric? Well, not so much.

DITTO!

Damon fixing Stefan's tie was adorable. Nice reference to the scene whwhen he did the same thing before Lily's funeral, but this time with a much happier note.

Yeah, awww! :D

Finally people are actually hearing Damon's wonderful speeches. About time!

LOL! I did think of that, but didn't mention it. But so true!

So how come Katherine's bones we lying around in that cave? I never did a rewatch of season 5. When and why did that happen again?

In order for her to jump into Elena permanently (instead of Elena being able to fight through as she had been doing), Nadia and a random Traveler did a spell over Katherine's body (in that cave Stefan and Damon went too, the ones near the Lockwood Mansion) and they had to destroy her body in order to do so.

Wow - only one more episode left. Can't believe it. Thanks for your great recap, as always!!

You're welcome.. and, yeah, only one. Wow!
tj2013tj2013 on March 10th, 2017 06:47 am (UTC)
I don't think that Bonnie will be dead/dead. If she is, that's REALLY going to suck!

So true - but if that happens, you will have something for your post-series-rant, LOL.

In order for her to jump into Elena permanently (instead of Elena being able to fight through as she had been doing), Nadia and a random Traveler did a spell over Katherine's body (in that cave Stefan and Damon went too, the ones near the Lockwood Mansion) and they had to destroy her body in order to do so.

Ah, that was it - thank you!

Have a great finale evening! (Being in Europe I can't watch live but my friend and I decided to have a finale-party Saturday night.) Talk to you soon.
Arabian: Damon12arabian on March 10th, 2017 09:54 pm (UTC)
I wanted to get to this before the SERIES FINALE!!!!

"I don't think that Bonnie will be dead/dead. If she is, that's REALLY going to suck!" -- So true - but if that happens, you will have something for your post-series-rant, LOL.

Well, I don't want to actually add to THAT list!

Have a great finale evening! (Being in Europe I can't watch live but my friend and I decided to have a finale-party Saturday night.) Talk to you soon.

Thank you! Enjoy your own TVD-party! Aaaah! SO SOON!
(Anonymous) on March 20th, 2017 02:10 pm (UTC)
Have you seen this deleted scene of Jo/Kai ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMgH3aBxb5k
Curious about your thoughts :)
Btw I'm waiting for the Finale TVD Post.. I was so done with the show after 6 season, I didn't like the Delena human ending, I thought they should've stayed vampires. And I thought a lot of stuff was just because the Nina departure. And most Bonnie/Damon in the beginning was tell not show..
But I continued watching, even though many times I wouldn't pay attention like most of the Heretics stuff, Bonnie/Enzo. I don't like Julie Plec. Had to say it xD
I went through all of your TVD posts since season 1 ;p I got a lot of comfort from it, knowing someone felt the same way about many things and I loved reading a lot of insights I wouldn't think of. :) So waaiting for the Finale post :-)
Arabian: Damon & Elena03arabian on March 20th, 2017 03:23 pm (UTC)
RE: Have you seen this deleted scene of Jo/Kai ?
That was a really good scene (love Chris Wood), but I see why they cut it. It humanized him too much. Kai is more fun when he isn't emo, and that was actually the best thing about him as a villain... that he didn't have the emo of his past become a THING. He mentioned it once or twice, but had no problem admitting that, regardless, it was still a sociopath.

Ah, see I had no problem with D/E human but then I've been expecting that ever since 2.12 for Damon, and frankly, as soon as Elena turned. I always saw that as how they're story ended. And, well, if you've read my posts (and you said you have), you know that I never stopped loving the show. EVER! LOL!

I'm glad you've enjoyed my past posts. I'm still working on the finale post. It is going to be LOOOONG though and is taking time.
(Anonymous) on March 20th, 2017 02:11 pm (UTC)
Wait so my comment was deleted cause it had a link in it ??? It was a deleted scene.. ;-(
Arabian: Rebekah01arabian on March 20th, 2017 03:14 pm (UTC)
I haven't deleted any comments so I'm not sure what you're talking about. And I certainly wouldn't delete a comment just because it had a link or a deleted scene link either way so I don't know what's going on.

ETA: I just saw that for some reason the comment was listed as suspicious and I hadn't gotten to it yet.

Edited at 2017-03-20 03:17 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on March 20th, 2017 03:21 pm (UTC)
Yes it was what happened with the comment, good if you can see it at least it was the point :):)
Arabian: Alaric01arabian on March 20th, 2017 03:23 pm (UTC)
I responded to the comment. :)
(Anonymous) on March 25th, 2017 02:51 pm (UTC)
So apparently Julie Plec said that they originally wanted both brothers to die and watch Elena' life from the other side, she would marry Matt .. and that they wanted the triangle to come back, but since Nina left that sealed her with Damon.. how can you not get frustrated about this and her ??

Not to mention they didn't even speak in the finale!! But I'll wait for your finale post;)))
Arabian: Elena17arabian on March 25th, 2017 04:33 pm (UTC)
It doesn't bother me because Julie said that was the plan earlier on and that would be earlier as in at least before season 5 because the Other Side was gone after season 5. I mention the Other Side because she specifically referenced that we can't do that anymore because the Other Side is gone when she talked about the original planned ending before. Yep, I heard a comment from her years ago that they knew what the ending was going to be and clearly her comment now was based on the same thing.

That comment was made around season 6 and she was talking about how they, as in her and Kevin, planned the show to end but this was when she thought the show was going to end much earlier. And had the show ended after season three--which would fit with the timeline of her and Kevin actively talking about the end of the show as he was still a a major part of it then but left early on in season 3--as an ending that would totally work... THEN! Elena was in flux with Stefan and her and Damon had not really gotten together. So it makes sense. Not that I would liked it but shipper preferences aside, story-wise it would have worked.

However, it is very clear that once they got to season 4 and especially season 5 it became clear that that ending was no longer doable. Instead it was about Damon and Elena and they were going to get their happy ending.

Finally and more importantly it doesn't bother me that she is repeating that now because that's not the finale we got. So who cares about them talking about a finale that might have been if the show had ended years earlier? We didn't get that finale. We got a finale with Damon and Elena living happily ever after... in life and in the afterlife.

As for the triangle part, clearly that was just an 'if only' for Stefan and Elena fans and I get that. Anyone who is not delusional and has been watching the show and actually paid attention to the ending of season 5 and everything since then would realize that there is no way the triangle was going to be resurrected. Nina did not officially decide to leave the show until January and they had already filmed at least the first four episodes and actually more by then. Remember in the beginning of season 6 past episode 2, Elena hated Damon and thought only of him as a monster who she put up with because he was Stefan's brother. Stefan was also unattached at the time. Yet Stefan and Elena we're just friends. There was nothing, not even a hint of romance, between the two. The triangle was dead. Stefan and Elena as a romantic pairing was done. Completely closed off after 5:18 once The Traveler's spell was lifted. The 'resuming the triangle' talk was all about giving Stefan and Elena fans, a huge part of the show's fan base, something to hold onto since the way they ended things with Stefan and Damon and Elena in the finale, even showing them in the afterlife happy, showed all hopes for a future Stefan Elena is gone.

By the way, I am still working on the finale post. It's just taking me a long time. I've only covered Damon and Elena and Damon and Stefan and I'm already at 4500 words. Nothing yet about Damon himself or Stefan or Caroline or Stefan and Caroline or Damon and Caroline or Bonnie or the Donovan family... So yeah this post is going to be massive!

Edited at 2017-03-25 06:10 pm (UTC)
Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on March 25th, 2017 09:46 pm (UTC)
People really need to stop overreacting to whatever the creators say and just pay attention to what actually happens in the story.
(Anonymous) on March 26th, 2017 09:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah I agree, I was just frustrated after seeing all those anti Delena people everywhere writing "dullena" having another argument ;) I know it's silly
Arabian: Damon04arabian on May 14th, 2017 05:38 pm (UTC)
People calling them that name are not worth even thinking about.
Florencia: DE (The Wreck of Our Hearts)florencia7 on July 11th, 2017 08:52 pm (UTC)
RE: 8.15
"The thought and history that went into those off-the-cuff vows was resplendent." - Yes, it was beautiful.

"As a long-time fan of the pairing—going back to the second episode of the second season—I remembered every moment referenced and every one made me smile." - It was awesome that all those moments they were recalling were so memorable that many viewers could recall them too.

"Caroline telling Stefan that she would remember this moment in a hundred years… for the both of them." - That was heartbreaking in such a gorgeous way.

"The setting, the sunlight shining down upon them" – I love how they kind of kept the sunlight as a running feature throughout Stefan/Caroline relationship.

"The only thing that I didn't love about the nuptials was hearing Alaric's emo-voice-over when Caroline first appeared in her wedding dress." - Like I said in some other comment before, it was karma for Stefan & Caroline's babbling in 4x07/4x08, so as such Alaric's overvoice didn't bother me AT ALL lol

“things have been rough and not so nice between Damon and Caroline through much of the series' run, but in the last half of this season the two have turned a corner and it's been awesome and amazing and beautiful.” - Yes, that was truly wonderful and rewarding to see, at last!

“So Damon recalling that and offering this symbol of Elena as her 'something borrowed' was a beautiful moment.” - It was a perfect way to use the necklace.

“And, psst!, it's not like Damon took the opportunity given to actually ask for forgiveness, yay!” - lol! I didn’t realize that. You’re right ^^

“Stefan is neither a ripper nor a saint because he's no longer a vampire.” - I’d even go as far as saying that not being a vampire is not a key element here. I think the sentiment was more to convey that no one is *just* the worst (or the best) parts of themselves.

“Damon recounting only the bad and *not* the good—namely without meeting Katherine, Damon would never have met Elena, nor Stefan, Caroline—was not only an oversight, it was simply out of character.” - Yeah, it was especially glaring in the context of what Damon told Elena in 2x22.

Haha And you said just that a moment later :)

“I know that having another wedding in its entirety two episodes in a row would not work.” - I knew that too and yet I was hoping that they would decide to defy the rules and surprise us with it *sigh*

“As I've said in the last few wite-ups, if Enzo is truly dead, and stays truly dead, what we had of Bonnie and Enzo will be a tragically beautifully love that just wasn't meant to be.” - In the end that’s how it played out which perhaps didn’t make up for all their love story’s deficiencies but certainly made them more excusable.

“Also fantastic was the reveal that Kelly was dead, and had slipped through Hell's door at the behest of the new queen, Katherine.” - That was a brilliant twist.

“So when the reveal with Vicki happened, I remembered that scene and realized, nope, the guy was reacting to Vicki Donovan, the girl from the wrong side of town whose body was discovered on a stormy night weeks after she had disappeared. So cool.” - Yes, it was awesome.

“Another little misdirection was Vicki texting "Game on" to Kelly. Who doesn't remember that famous line from Katherine to Caroline to tell the rest of the gang?” - My head canon for this is that somewhere along the way Vicki became Katherine’s fan and was using her phrases on purpose ;)

PS. All caught up & waiting for more! ;D