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05 February 2017 @ 09:25 pm
8.11 - 'You Made a Choice to Be Good' (The Vampire Diaries)  
So, I got a job! (Yay! It's not ideal, but it's a job!) I start tomorrow and I'm thinking that I will probably be getting the rest of these up on Saturday or Sunday from now on with my new schedule. So, yay!

This was one of those rare episodes where one storyline was not very good—although, there were still some good to great moments within it. However being the awesome that is The Vampire Diaries, everything else on display was pretty much made of, well, awesome (or so in character that one can't really complain… Matt, I'm looking at you). As is my wont, I'm going to tackle what didn't work for me first. This will come as no surprise, but, yeah, it's almost all to do with the Bonnie arc. Let me count the ways that issues abounded...

Bonnie and Enzo's over-the-top forever and ever love is still not doing it for me. More on that later, though (and, the option is available to skip it). Ah, but this go-round, there were other problems that didn't have anything to do with them, such as… Bonnie randomly announcing that she bought a house a few months back. Although, it actually would have been nearly a year ago since it's past mid-February 2018 in The Vampire Diaries timeline and Damon and Enzo took off in late March of 2017, but whatever… a few vs. ten, no big, right? Anyhoo, I think that buying a house is a pretty huge deal. You would think that would have come up at some point to someone she trusts, but, no, she didn't tell anyone about it. Not Caroline, not Enzo—yes, not even Enzo, the truest of all true loves!—before this VERY MOMENT! I mean, really? How much more 'plot point created for just this very episode' could it be? Not by much.

Ooh, and how did she buy the house? Just with money that she got from her father. OK, then. I'm just saying… that was a fairly big-ish house… in upstate freaking New York. Nothing we've ever read, seen, heard, etc. has indicated in any way, shape or form that Bonnie's family had that kind of money, or that her father had that kind of money. I mean… again, really? 'Plot point created just for this episode!' Finally, the kicker… only in the world of The Vampire Diaries (or at least this less-than-fantastically-written episode) would someone *not* have to sign papers with their realtor in order to lose possession of their house. Yeah, there is absolutely no way that Bonnie would no longer own her home just because her realtor was compelled to do all of that paperwork. Because it did not have Bonnie's signature on it. The owner's signature is needed, and the show made a big point of letting us know that Bonnie bought the house. Bonnie is the owner of the house.

So, yeah, that whole thing never, ever could have happened. Therefore, that never, ever should have happened. If they wanted Enzo out of the house they could (and should) have come up with some other trick. He went back out to the car to get something… boom! Stefan zoomed up behind him and stuck his hand through Enzo's back. Bonnie steps out to see what's taking him so long, she sees Stefan take out her forever-and-ever beloved's heart. There you go, same outcome without the huge, honking plot hole. Guess what? I literally came up with that in about ten seconds flat. It was easy… and it actually made sense. But, hey, Melinda Tsu-Taylor (co-writer of this episode), what do you expect? All but one of her outings has at least one major what-the-what? moment.

Then we come to Bonnie herself. *sigh* I love this character; I truly do. However, if I'm being honest, I have not loved Bonnie Bennett for a good chunk of this season. *double sigh* And it is because of this amazing, life-changing, epic, true, true love that she shares with Enzo St. John. I do not buy it. I don't and that is entirely due to the writing of this couple. Other than the flashback episode—which was good—and Bonnie miserable over losing Enzo and failing to get him back before she finally did, I have not been even remotely impressed with this pair's story. That means out of nearly a season and a half this couple has been together (their flash-forward kiss was in the fifth episode of season 07), I have liked them in exactly three episodes. And in the first one, I may have liked the flashbacks, but I still take issue with telling their entire love story in a handful of scenes in one episode. Also, my enjoyment in the other two revolved solely around my feels for Bonnie. And not Bonnie and Enzo. So not Bonnie and Enzo.

[Yet another block of thinky-thoughts on why Bonnie and Enzo do not work for me. Feel free to not open this cut and read.] Enzo and Bonnie fell in love in a heightened situation. This is what I wrote about the pair for "Somebody That I Used To Know," their flashback-heavy episode:


They fell in love in isolation. Bonnie fell in love with an Enzo who was essentially her "savior," and he held all the power. He was also the only person she felt she had on her side. Caroline was in Dallas, living her new life. Elena is off in a coffin playing Sleeping Beauty. Matt hates all things supernatural. Bonnie and Stefan were never particularly close and have been drifting further apart since Elena left and Bonnie became team!Damon.
This is one of the key reasons why I don't buy them. That was how their relationship began. For three years Enzo was literally the only person Bonnie saw until early March 2017. (Bonnie told Virginia that she checked into the mental facility "a few weeks ago" around the time that Stefan was possessed by Ambrose.) Think about that. Bonnie Bennett, not too long ago, was stuck in an alternate universe where she was the ONLY PERSON on the planet. She was so driven to despair that she almost committed suicide. Then she is put in a situation where she is all alone, *again* for nearly three years with only one person to talk to, to spend time with, to share space in the universe with. And that was Enzo. How am I not to question the psychological issue there in the formation of their grand romance? Seriously!


Moving on… At the beginning of March 2017, Bonnie checked herself into a mental institution. (Yeah, because that's healthy in her situation.) And then on March 20th, Enzo checked her out. Eight days later, he was sucked into the dark world of the vault. Separated for five to six months after that, Bonnie brought Enzo back to himself in early December. We are now in mid-February 2018. So looking at this timeline, Bonnie and Enzo have *literally* only spent roughly two months together as a couple in the real world without an unfair power structure between them. Compared to Damon and Elena, Stefan and Caroline (and, even, yes, Bonnie and Jeremy), it's incredibly difficult to believe that they have what it takes for the long haul. Especially since once they came out into the real world, they've had maybe one meaningful conversation, but it was one that they should have had during the three years Bonnie was in forced seclusion. So, yeah, no.


This episode did nothing to help my perspective on the pair. It was just more of the two kissing, talking about how they love each other so much, how they are going to be so happy, how Bonnie finally has true happiness, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and in the process, Bonnie continued to show an uncharacteristic selfishness. I don't even… *triple sigh* Look, I don't deny for one second that Bonnie has sacrificed more than anyone else. I've discussed this very thing more than once in past write-ups. Because of that, I shouldn't have had any problem at all with her disappointment over having to give up the cure to turn Enzo mortal.

But I did! Not only because of her Enzo-tunnel vision, but also because of the execution of this renewed cure storyline. We'd only heard a few lines about Enzo getting the cure, so it was still up in the air how this was going to be handled. The prior issues I had with Bonnie offering that cure to Enzo could have been mostly solved in this one. All that had to happen was that Bonnie had to tell Enzo that before she gave him the cure, she needed to talk to Damon about it. That's mostly it. Tell him that she'd put off that conversation because she knew it would be a hard sell since there was already a plan in place for the use of that cure. However, now was the time. This was it. Have her call Damon and before she could even ask him, have Damon bring up the possibility of giving it to Cade. The rest of the conversation as it happened would still have worked (for the most part). Bonnie upset because she had these plans for her happy human ever-after with Enzo, Damon throwing in that totally awesome and appropriately pissy: "At least I asked." Had it happened that way (or some variation of) then Bonnie would not have come across so selfish.

She was bitterly complaining about losing her chance at happiness with a human Enzo; that was understandable. Not so much was that she was doing so with zero acknowledgment that she would be getting that chance by stealing the cure from one of her best friend's very body. And that she would be doing without her permission and without the knowledge of her best friend—to whom Elena had already promised that cure. Therefore, Bonnie did not come across as sympathetic—which she so should have! Ugh, if only they had have her call Damon to talk about it with him. That's all it would have taken to erase most of the sting out of this plot point.

Alas, nope. Bonnie was planning on taking the cure for *her* vampire boyfriend away from her best friend's body who was planning on using that cure for *her* vampire boyfriend without telling a damn, single person. Argh! And it just sucks. That's not Bonnie Bennett. This season, she has mostly been written as self-involved and selfish. What am I supposed to take from that? Is it supposed to be that Enzo's love makes her so? Elena's love makes Damon better. Damon's love made Elena better (as in stronger). Stefan and Caroline's love makes the other better. That is how true, real love works. Not whatever this thing is that they are doing with Bonnie and Enzo. (Gah, why did Caroline Dries have to leave before the final season? I have zero doubts that this would not be happening were she still involved with the show.)

I mean, come on, I love this show… I really like the character of Enzo, and for most of this series' run, I have loved Bonnie. But you know what? When Stefan pulled Enzo's heart out, I literally said, "Yes!" and gave a fist pump of joy. Thinking back now, I can't believe that was my literal reaction to Stefan killing Enzo. I was happy. I should not have been happy about that. That makes me unhappy with the show because of how badly they have handled Bonnie and Enzo this season (and last, at least relationship-wise). Ugh! Ugh! Ugh!

Whatever… I'll give them this; I was not expecting Stefan to kill Enzo. Get the cure by episode's end? Yeah, that I was waiting for once we saw Bonnie filling up that syringe with Elena's blood. But ripping out Enzo's heart? Nope, I did not see that coming. Although, in retrospect, Enzo's death (oh, please let it stick—because it will mean the end of Bonnie and Enzo—but I know it won't... sigh) was so obvious what with all the talk of doing a bucket list, and actively planning on stealing taking the cure. So, yeah, all that aspect of it was really good. Oh, one more thing about Enzo's (so-not-going-to-stick) death that was good? I loved how Stefan killed Enzo because it was a parallel to how Enzo first died as a vampire. In "Man On Fire," Stefan had his hand in Enzo's chest, but he didn't intend to kill him. However, Enzo wanted Damon to hate Stefan so he pulled away and when he did that so suddenly, Stefan ripped Enzo's heart out. I loved that mirroring of his vampire death. I really love when the show does stuff like that. So cool.

Another parallel of sorts was the simple fact that Stefan got the cure from Elena, uhm, sorta. Remember when the first cure was found, Elena chose not to take it, but instead gave it to Stefan to use. He also didn't take it, still believing that Elena would and if she did, would come back to him possibly. (Hah! As if!) But he was the original intended recipient for the cure once it was within Elena's power to do so.

Ah, the cure. The cure, the cure, the cure. You know, I really enjoyed the first (and even second) go-round arc revolving around that blasted cure. This one? Not so much. Because I still haz questions. I am confuzzled. Like, really. I had to rewatch the Damon and Caroline scene where they discussed the use of it because I got a completely different take from it than did my friend. Upon that second viewing, I do think I mostly had it closer to correct than she did. But it was still freaking confusing, and honestly, I'm still not sure.

Firstly, Caroline did basically suggest doing what I thought was the intended plan by Bonnie. The only thing I didn't take into account was forcing it on Cade first—and didn't we already do a forced cure with Katherine? Just saying. So my thought was that Enzo would steal take the cure, and then years from now, Damon would take it from him to be with Elena.

Caroline: Look, all we need to do is capture Cade.
Damon: You're talking about the devil here.
Caroline: We give him the cure, he becomes mortal. Then someone else will take his blood. That'll make him age 4,000 years and then shrivel into dust.
Damon: You realize if you take the cure out of Elena's body, that little vial is our one and only dose.
Damon: And we're not even sure it'll work on Cade.
Caroline: This is our best chance to get Stefan back. Isn't that what you want?
Damon: No, it's what you want. You know what I want? I want to fix my brother, I want to get rid of the devil, and I want my future with Elena. But I am not becoming human while she sleeps for decades.
Caroline: You won't have to take the cure right away. Enzo will take it from Cade, and years from now, you can take it from Enzo.
Damon: Enzo? Enzo? What?
Caroline: Bonnie asked him. He said yes. They were going to tell you.
Damon: Before or after they stole it from me?
Caroline: It doesn't belong to you. It is in Elena's blood. She would want to save all of us, and you know it. Anyway, I've done the math. It can work.
OK, I see how that would have worked, but… how does it work now with Stefan? Damon specifically said "that little vial is our one and only dose." Uhm, but how? Bonnie took just a small amount of Elena's blood, if that is enough to work on Stefan than why can't they just get a few more small vials of blood from Elena and cure all of them of their immortality? Unless, they're going to find out via what happened with Stefan that it's really as simple as that. After all, everything they know about how the cure works is based on Silas draining Katherine and then the fall-out, but did Silas have to drain Katherine? Or did he just do it because he's a greedy son-of-a-bitch? Maybe it wasn't actually necessary? I don't know. And I'm not really sure what the plan is or would be or could be because the show really hasn't done a very good job of explaining how it's supposed to work.

Hey, do you know when they could have had that? Oh, you know, perhaps when Bonnie discussed getting the cure for Enzo with Damon and their other bestie, Caroline. That way all of the information needed would have been delivered organically, make Bonnie not look like a selfish bitca and nicely clear up the cure confusion. that would organically come up. Again, just saying! Still… I must admit that even that wouldn't have completely eased my issues with this new cure arc. I said above that having Bonnie discuss the cure with Damon (before this episode or intending to before taking it) would mostly resolve my disagreement with how this has played out.

One fairly major issue still remains. Taking Elena's blood for the cure from her 'Sleeping Beauty' cursed body without her knowledge, without her permission, and against her already expressed wishes is a violation. Period. End of. No discussion. This ties into Caroline telling Damon that the cure is not his to lose because "it is in Elena's blood." Right… in Elena's blood. Therefore, Bonnie has no right to it. But do you know who does? Oh, I know, the person that Elena—because remember it is *her* blood after all—already made the decision would receive her blood with the cure in it. That decision belongs to Elena… and Elena only. And she already made it. It goes to Damon. So, yes, Caroline, it *is* his to lose.

Now, obviously, I agree that in the Cade situation, yes, Elena would agree that it was necessary in order to save them all (and all the countless people who would die thanks to Cade's deal). Superseding Elena's already-expressed wish for the cure to go to Damon would make sense then. That would not be so much a violation because every single person who knows her knows that she would agree. But… taking the cure from *her* blood for someone else's boyfriend with all of the possible risks that could lead to Elena losing her happy human life… a decision that was already made? No. No, no, no. NO!

So, yeah, that would have been my remaining issue. As it is… I still have issues with the whole damn thing because Bonnie did intend to steal that blood for her own selfish purpose without talking to anyone else. *sigh* Now, even with my confusion regarding the one vial of the blood or not, I'm assuming (yeah, I know) that it is going to wind up being that they can just take a vial or two or three for different people and we're all good! So in that way all of our vampires are going to wind up being human once more in the end. Enzo* will do so because he wants to be human for Bonnie. Caroline—even though she doesn't want to lose her vampirism—will for Stefan's sake, and also so that she can be with her girls again. And, of course, Damon will take it once Elena wakes up.

* Yes, I still 100% believe that Enzo is coming back, and when he does, he'll take the cure.

Right now, though, Stefan's the one who got it. We are going to see a human!Stefan Salvatore for the remainder of the series. Damnit! I wanted to see DAMON human for longer than a few scenes. So, so, so, soooo much. I hope I'm wrong; I hope that Damon is somehow going to wind up human prior to the last episode with only a few scenes, but I'm not holding my breath. Frankly, most of my hopes for this season have not panned out, alas. One of the few things that has, though, is the (mostly) continued awesome of everything the Brothers Salvatore-related. Like the second half of their phone conversation in this one. I mean, damn, it was so good!

Damon: Stefan, listen to me—
Stefan: Let me guess. You're gonna appeal to my humanity and my brotherly bond. 'Think about Elena.' Blah, blah, blah.
Damon: You don't have to think about anything, just turn around. I'll meet you wherever you want.
Stefan: Yeah? And then what?
Damon: Then, whatever anger you're working through, man, you can just take it out on me.
Stefan: I am taking it out on you. I'm on my way to murder Elena.
Damon: Stefan. […] You don't have to do this for Cade.
Stefan: I'm not doing this for Cade. I'm doing this for me.
Damon: What?!
Stefan: When Cade first suggested this idea, I was like, 'God, why didn't I think of that?' Oh, I know why, because I've been too busy taking care of my brother.
Damon: You don't have to take care of me ever again. I got this. I'm good. I'll take care of both of us, Stefan.
Stefan: No, you won't, Damon. You're not capable of it, but you'll keep trying to interfere with everything as long as we're connected through her. That is why I want Elena gone.
Damon: I swear to God, Stefan, if you hurt her you are dead to me.
Stefan: That's exactly my point. I want to cause her death so you can blame me for it because then you will finally stop trying to save me and I will be free of you forever.
Damon: This is not the answer, man. Leave Elena out of this. I am begging you, Stefan.
Stefan: Listen to yourself. You are pathetic. She's the root of all your problems, and therefore mine. I mean, she's still coming between us, which is insane if you really think about it because, to be honest with you, in the grand scheme of things, she's really not that special. She's just a stupid girl. She's a stupid, human girl who will be so easy to kill.
Damon: Stefan…
Stefan: She's already in her coffin, prepped and ready to go. I'm thinking something symbolic. Maybe find a bathtub to drown her in, full circle kind of thing.
Damon: You can't do that. You won't.
Stefan: Oh, yes, I can and I will and I can't wait.
Yes, I know I quoted that entire conversation, but, ahhh!, it was so good! Damon and Stefan's talk about Elena and how even when she wasn't there, she was still coming between them was just so rich and full of their history. Even if Stefan was wrong because it's not Elena that is the problem now… nope, it's Stefan's no-humanity self. But, but, but… having him say those words, it's just… damn, the show really is doing a role reversal from the beginning of the series. In the last episode we had Stefan reminding Damon that he gave Elena the locket to protect her from Damon. And now we have Damon doing, saying everything he can to try and protect Elena from Stefan. I am beyond loving this so much.

And, of course, I continue to adore all of the Damon and Elena! There is just SO MUCH DAMON AND ELENA!! First there was his insistence that he was not losing his future with her when talking to Caroline.

Damon: You know what I want? I want to fix my brother, I want to get rid of the devil, and I want my future with Elena. But I am not becoming human while she sleeps for decades. [...] No. No, no, no, no. The cure is off the table. I'm not risking my future with Elena.
And then moving along from there to his actions when he found out that Stefan was going after Elena similar to the deal that Cade offered him to kill Caroline. When he thought that it was an 'or' instead of an 'and,' he just threw that redemptive path he was on down the drain and started attacking random people. Of course he did, because Elena's life was in danger and he was going to do everything he could to save her. Including reasoning and pleading with before finally threatening to leave his brother behind forever. (Hah! And people thought that with Nina Dobrev's exit, the show would drop the Damon and Elena love story. As if! Double hah!) Ah, but did you notice what he did not do? He did not go after Caroline to take her out, he was going the kill one hundred people in the 'them or the love of your brother's life' equation. Aww! Didn't even look in her direction, instead he looked past her to Dorian.

     

Fortunately, Caroline got Dorian out of there, but that's not the point! However quickly Damon slipped off of that redemptive path, he wasn't fully off-road. He didn't go after Caroline. Aww! My ♥ … and why would he? Apparently she is his new BFF! Seriously, how awesome are Damon and Caroline right now? So, so awesome. When he first came upon her at the Time Capsule ceremony, I loved their exchange:

Caroline: You are supposed to be on Stefan duty.
Damon: Well, there's no point now. Cade's in town. He set our boy free.
Caroline: What?
Damon: He also told me to kill you.
Caroline: Damon—
Damon: Of course I have a plan B, Blondie.
Caroline: Hold on, back up. Where is Stefan now?
Damon: I don't know. Wherever he is, he's not answering his phone. {Caroline tries to call Stefan herself.} Points for optimism.
Caroline: Voice mail.
Damon: Mm-hmm.
Caroline: How is this even possible? I thought Cade was supposed to live in some kind of psychic dimension.
Damon: You mean his realm of pain and fire? No, that's just his vacation home. He's here to stay.
Caroline: Does your plan B account for that?
Damon: Of course it does. This may come as a surprise to you, but you're not the only optimist in town. Now, let's get these yahoos somewhere safe. Stay clear yourself. Cade gave me till sundown to kill a hundred of these people or kill you instead, and I don't want to be tempted by either.
Just… they are so squeeful! Damon is still using a nickname for her, but it's affectionately done like how he does with Bonnie. And he made it clear that she knew he did NOT want to kill her and wouldn't do so. He also called Stefan: "Our boy." Aww! I love them together. Honestly, at this point… Damon and Caroline interacting as they have been since episode 08 has been my favorite thing about this season so far. I mean, their final wordless exchange after he left the Time Capsule ceremony and her little wave to him when he first walked into the grill? So cute!

 

And just the two conspiring together was… wait for it! AWESOME!

Damon: We need a plan C.
Caroline: What was wrong with plan B?
Damon: Well, apparently the devil can't be killed. At least not if you rip his heart out. Or set him on fire.
Caroline: I thought you said you weren't gonna try anything stupid.
Damon: When did I ever promise that? Listen, in my defense, he did both of those things to himself. Bastard's tougher than he looks.
Hah! "I thought you said you weren't gonna try anything stupid." She said to him. "When did I ever promise that?" he testily replied. Her reaction after he said that? So, so awesome! It was like the friendship-version (as opposed to the 'I secretly adore him, what is wrong with me?') of exasperation that Elena often displayed during the first half of season 03 whenever Damon was being, well, particularly Damon-y. So, yeah, Damon and Caroline? I. Love. Them.

 

Alas, do you know what I do not love? Damon (and everyone else) saying that Cade is in their lives because of Damon alone! Hello!! That is not how it happened, folks (writers!). Damon was sucked under Sybil's control because he was in the vault of the Armory to undo the Huntress-side of Bonnie and save all of their lives. Damon then made the deal with Cade, yes, so that he (nor Stefan, I want to point out) would not go to Hell for eternity. However, that was not the only reason for the deal. Nope, it was a 'kill two birds with one stone' kinda bargain. Damon Salvatore also freaking saved the twins from being in place of him and Stefan. And what has he gotten for doing that? Oh, you know, just being murdered by his friends and constantly blamed for Cade screwing with their lives. As if it is all his fault. It is not. *sigh* I really wish that Caroline would recall that little tidbit of information from Sybil (wah! Sybil!):

Sybil: My sister kidnapped them. I saved them from a life of serving Cade when I cosigned Damon's plan.
Yeah, Damon's plan. Grr. At least Caroline is continuing her streak of being mostly amaze-balls in so many other ways. Oh, like when she pointed out the reality of life in the town of Mystic Falls to Matty-Blue-Blue. Oh my, how much did I love that? So much. Mystic Falls has always been full of the supernatural, full of people dying in horrible ways because of that supernatural. As kids, they just weren't aware of it; that was for the adults to deal with and they (Caroline, Bonnie, Matt, et al.) are the adults now. Such a great speech.

Not that it made much of a dent on Donovan. Matt, Matt, Matt. I shake my head at you. However, as I pointed out at the top of this write-up, I don't think that it is bad writing at all. His attitude may not be awesome, but it is entirely in character. Frankly put, Matt Donovan is being an asshole right now, but I do get why. Still, he is being a jerk, and he is wrong. After all, as I've pointed out in the past, people are people, undead, witchy or not. Some are good and some are bad. This is going to *always* be the case whether they are human or supernatural. Also, in this situation, our supernatural folks are literally being controlled and/or manipulated by the Devil himself. As in… THE DEVIL! Matt, ya done saw him with your very own eyes! Hel—to the freaking-lo!

*sigh* I know it's in character how he is acting. I don't question that… I just, well, I wish that they hadn't sent Matt down this road character-wise-speaking. I have to admit that, like Bonnie, I haven't really loved Matt Donovan for a good chunk of this season. (Gah! Why, oh why couldn't Caroline Dries have stuck around for just the sixteen more episodes of this final season?) But still, it's Matty-Blue-Blue and I still really, really like him and because of that, I really want things to turn around somehow, someway with him so that I can love him again by the end of the series. (Ditto for Bonnie, of course.)

Maybe, whatever is up with that Maxwell medallion will do the trick! Because, yeah, that medallion is so going to matter somehow. After all, a Maxwell created the bell that could bring down the Sirens—and open the door to Hell, and create Hellfire and destruction on Earth--so.... yeah. That medallion is going to be an important key moving forward… somehow. Just like that Maxwell cipher. Uh huh.

Another key? Is totes going to be Dorian. Yah huh. As soon as Dorian, the friendly research assistant we met all the way back in the first episode, started to give his family's history that became clear. His family has seemingly being cursed for, like, ever. Or, oh, I don't know, maybe just four thousand years! As in the four thousand year-old age of Cade, aka, Arcadius! And, yeah, Cade also happens to be dark-skinned… like Dorian. (So not necessary, because you know, cross-race procreation throughout the millennia, but hey, they had to go and make it obvious, right?) Dorian (whatever his last name is) is so going to be a descendant of Arcadius, and thus, another key. Uh huh.

Speaking of Cade, well, I am totally thinking that my theory was right about Tyler being brought back to life. Either through the cure being used on Cade, the medallion, Dorian's relationship to Cade or some combination of the above, Cade is going to bring him back from Hell. (Again, I don't see how Tyler's not there, he's always been a bit of a dick and he's killed people.) I have more confidence in my theory for two reasons. Tyler is going to come back because, of course, Enzo is too. And if they bring back one that was killed by the younger Salvatore when his switch was off, they are going to bring back the other member of their Scooby gang who was killed by the older Salvatore when his switch was off. (Although, he was also being mind-controlled by Sybil at the time. Just saying times three!)

We know that Cade can bring totally dead supernatural creatures back. (Ooh! Maybe not just supernatural creatures… maybe Georgie can be brought back too—for Alaric! And because she is awesome). See: Damon (murdered by Alaric, assisted by Matt), and Stefan (taken out by Damon on the order of Cade; also, staked in the heart—though not really it was more the lower abdomen, but details—by Caroline to save the majority of Miss Mystic Falls contestants). They were dead-dead, but brought back from Hell with no problem by Cade, the Devil, who reigns in Hell.

The second reason I think it's more likely is not as strong admittedly, but I believe that it has some merit. I think that the reason that Tyler was probably in Damon's head was for possible spoiler reasons. Think about it, it didn't really make much sense that Tyler would appear to Bonnie with regards to Damon's forgiveness bid. If Matt had gone inside his head as well? Absolutely, but Bonnie? Nah. So, why was Tyler in there? I had surmised after the last episode that it was because Tyler (like Vicki and Grams) was about the people that were dead because of Damon but were living now since he had never become a vampire. However…

What if the reason that Tyler was in Damon's head was a way to throw people off for when/if Michael Trevino pops up again on set and that leaks? Most fans would just assume that it meant Tyler was showing up again in some sort of mind-trip related scene, right? Instead, he's there because he's coming back. And this just popped into my head… same could be the case for Kayla Ewell's Vicki. Now, yes, Damon apologized to Matt about her, but what if her appearance in his mind—which again would have tied to Matt, not Bonnie—was there to throw fans off if she shows up on set again? I mean, we all know that Vicki's ass is in Hell. She made a deal to come back that included killing people. Girl was no saint.

Obviously this wouldn't work for Jenna or Grams (or Lexi—thank goodness!), since those three are in a better place, going into the light, etc. However, it could be a way to bring back Vicki, Tyler and Enzo. We'll see. On the other hand, I could be totally wrong and it will just be Enzo that is brought back somehow. After all, Bonnie brought Jeremy back from the dead. Sure, he was on the Other Side and she died from it, but I'm thinking that Bonnie not only (a) has her witchy powers back now, but (b) they are about a thousand times stronger than they've ever been. I mean, ya'll saw how her cry of grief created a psychic sonic wave of sorts, right? (And, yes, I totally caught in the preview that it looked like Bonnie was doing witchy-woo magic over Enzo's body.)

     

And on Bonnie's 'over-the-top' lament for Enzo, let's head to the randoms—

- That opening scene with Cade was great. Plus, it was an organic way of explaining how Cade knew about Elena's location. Bonnie was taking Enzo there that day so naturally she would have been thinking about it.

- Hah! Damon being all rose-colored on his redemptive path was hilarious! And, yes, pancakes for the win! Plus, him calling out that Stefan would love them was awesome! Damon takes such pride in those bad boys now. It's adorable.

Damon: I dare you to have one of these and tell me that they are not the best pancakes you ever had.
- Speaking of Damon and his redemptive path… oh, Sybil, she really didn't know Damon at all. By forcing his humanity on him all at once, it's made him so determined to be a good guy. He was even intent on not killing anyone ever again. (Didn't last long… but, hey, Elena's life was on the line, can't blame him. What? It's not real; it's only a television show, I'm not heartless for not caring about random extra that Damon killed to save Elena.)

- Still not spoiled, but I totally think that the finale is going to be another Founder's Day just like the first season finale. See: Matt talking about the Time Capsule ceremony leading up to Founder's Day. Uh huh! That's the same thing they did in the first season; there were a bunch of events leading up to the Day.

- SO MUCH ELENA! All of the afore-mentioned Damon and Elena bits, alongside the afore-mentioned (and annoying) cure mentions. Also, in the girls' Tupperware container time capsule, pictures of young Elena! Aww!

Caroline: Elena, Bonnie and I made our own time capsule when we were 11 and buried it right under this tree. [...] Here's Bonnie, Elena and me. Wow, we look like babies.
- Matt saying that Stefan maybe shouldn't get a pass despite the switch, the Devil being involved, mind control, etc. was shocking! It was also really nice to see someone applying the same crappy attitude to Stefan as everyone always does to Damon.

- Aww, Damon meant it when he called Stefan 'our boy' to Caroline. Both of them really couldn't believe that Stefan would kill Elena.

Cade: Your brother understood the choice right away. It's not up to Stefan. Your choice was not. His choice was.
Damon: What do you mean, his choice?
Cade: The task I gave both of you was kill 100 people, or kill your brother's girl. Stefan chose option B, which is to kill your girl.
Caroline: Stefan would never hurt Elena.

Stefan: [...] Maybe find a bathtub to drown her in, full circle kind of thing.
Damon: You can't do that. You won't.
- Cade showing Damon all of the ways that he couldn't kill him was hilarious. I love this show.

- Except when we get scenes like the drag-racing one. Ugh, it reminded me of Stefan and Elena on the fucking motorcycle after she became a vampire! If anyone doesn't recall, I'll fill you in—I thought that scene was terrible… and stupid… and I hated it.

- Hmm, so every vampire on this show EXCEPT for Caroline has now died as a human *and* a vampire. Only in Mystic Falls.

- So, yeah, the sloppiness in this episode pretty much reached the zenith (I sure hope so) of what we've seen a lot of this season. There was Damon making the deal for the girls which seems to have been forgotten by everyone (including Damon). The questions over what exactly Sybil did to Damon's head re: Elena memories. Also, this cure confusion that still is at play. Oh, and why exactly did Cade kill Sybil and Seline? I mean, sure, they disappointed him, but they'd already done that. I guess. I don't know. See, I don't know!

Anyhoo, so yeah, awesome stuff in this episode with Damon, Caroline, Cade, Dorian, and Matt was totally in character, but, my goodness, just about everything involving Bonnie, Enzo and their story just was not good. Hopefully, this is the last even remotely subpar episode. I have faith.
 
 
 
(Anonymous) on February 6th, 2017 12:28 pm (UTC)
First of all congratulations on the new job!

Now on to your amazing recap:

If they wanted Enzo out of the house they could (and should) have come up with some other trick.
I think Stefan didn't even know Bonnie and Enzo were gonna be there. He signed those papers so he could enter the house to reach Elena.

But ripping out Enzo's heart? Nope, I did not see that coming.
I was actually so afraid that would happen, because whenever you have a couple whose life just seems to be too good to be true disaster strucks and in this case I was so afraid for Enzo's life. And then when we found out that Stefan was on his way to Elena where we knew Enzo and Bonnie were and Enzo being stuck outside the house I most certainly knew what was going to happen.

Bonnie took just a small amount of Elena's blood, if that is enough to work on Stefan than why can't they just get a few more small vials of blood from Elena and cure all of them of their immortality?
My thoughts exactly.

So in that way all of our vampires are going to wind up being human once more in the end. Enzo* will do so because he wants to be human for Bonnie. Caroline—even though she doesn't want to lose her vampirism—will for Stefan's sake, and also so that she can be with her girls again. And, of course, Damon will take it once Elena wakes up. and Mystic Falls has always been full of the supernatural, full of people dying in horrible ways because of that supernatural.
That seems to be where the show is heading right now; but without our beloved vampires around anymore who's gonna protect MF and our Scooby-gang from now, because you're right, MF so attracts the supernatural badasses.

damn, the show really is doing a role reversal from the beginning of the series. In the last episode we had Stefan reminding Damon that he gave Elena the locket to protect her from Damon. And now we have Damon doing, saying everything he can to try and protect Elena from Stefan. I am beyond loving this so much.
And not only that. Do you remember s1-Damon said "I hope Elena dies."; of course he didn't really mean it and he wasn't going to kill her, but still some kind of parallel.

He did not go after Caroline to take her out, he was going the kill one hundred people in the 'them or the love of your brother's life' equation.
Yes, because Damon would do anything for the people he loves, like he said in s2: When it came down to them again, he would gladly let Bonnie die to save Elena "because I am that selfish" (and the repetition in 4x01 where he'd gladly let Matt die and save Elena because he was that selfish); only difference being that now the Scooby-gang is part of his circle of people he loves as proofed in 6x22 when he was again faced with a situation were it was either save Elena by killing Bonnie or save Bonnie and "lose" Elena for a very long time. Only now he chose to save Bonnie and wait for Elena. Same here: Caroline is in his circle of friends now, so of course (as the selfish person he is according to his own words) he'd rather go for those 100 evil souls he doesn't even now in person than kill his friend.

Apparently she is his new BFF!
Exactly!

Her reaction after he said that? So, so awesome! It was like the friendship-version (as opposed to the 'I secretly adore him, what is wrong with me?') of exasperation that Elena often displayed during the first half of season 03 whenever Damon was being, well, particularly Damon-y.
Yes, now that they've become friends Caroline finally gets to see the Damon Elena has always seen and known.

(end of Part 1)
Arabian: Caroline11arabian on February 8th, 2017 01:06 am (UTC)
First of all congratulations on the new job!

Thank you. :)

I think Stefan didn't even know Bonnie and Enzo were gonna be there. He signed those papers so he could enter the house to reach Elena.

But he wouldn't be able to enter the house because Bonnie hadn't invited him in. The idea behind the realtor was that he changed the ownership, and that just isn't possible without Bonnie's signature.

I was actually so afraid that would happen, because whenever you have a couple whose life just seems to be too good to be true disaster strucks

But they've been like this since Bonnie got him back so happening in this episode as opposed to any of the others is why I didn't think it would happen.

That seems to be where the show is heading right now; but without our beloved vampires around anymore who's gonna protect MF and our Scooby-gang from now, because you're right, MF so attracts the supernatural badasses.

Not necessarily. Before Damon and Stefan came back to MF, the town was OK. It was the Salvatore brothers, which had people beginning to realize about Elena, the doppelganger. And it was the supernatural of the Salvatores that heightened Bonnie's magic, Tyler was pushed to that point by Katherine--who was back for Stefan, and Elena, the doppelganger, etc.

Yes, now that they've become friends Caroline finally gets to see the Damon Elena has always seen and known.

Exactly!
(Anonymous) on February 6th, 2017 12:29 pm (UTC)
Part 2:

I haven't really loved Matt Donovan for a good chunk of this season.
Neither have I. Right now he is actually my least favorite character with his annoying it's black-and-white-worldview. It's about time he wakes up because he should know better by now.

Dorian (whatever his last name is) is so going to be a descendant of Arcadius, and thus, another key. Uh huh.
Yeah, it became so obvious this ep. The skin-colour, the story, Cade basically ignoring him; all very suspicious :)


I mean, we all know that Vicki's ass is in Hell.
I actually thought she was sucked into oblivion when the other side collapsed but it's of course totally possible that through this collapse all those dead supernaturals ended up in hell (which means we might also get to see some other characters again?).

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong and it will just be Enzo that is brought back somehow. After all, Bonnie brought Jeremy back from the dead. Sure, he was on the Other Side and she died from it, but I'm thinking that Bonnie not only (a) has her witchy powers back now, but (b) they are about a thousand times stronger than they've ever been. I mean, ya'll saw how her cry of grief created a psychic sonic wave of sorts, right? (And, yes, I totally caught in the preview that it looked like Bonnie was doing witchy-woo magic over Enzo's body.) and Tyler is going to come back because, of course, Enzo is too.
Yes, my thoughts on how this is gonna work out are as follow: The theme of this season seems to be Greek mythology; concerning Bonnie and Enzo we already saw some kind of variation on the Odysseus and Penelope-story; for what's gonna happen next I'm thinking of some twisted Orpheus and Eurydike-story only with the roles reversed: Bonnie saving Enzo from the Underworld. I don't think that Bonnie will bargain with Cade though as Orpheus did. I think she will kick his ass for what he has done. And I agree with you that her powers seem to have increased, being strenghened by her grief (wasn't it also explained in s1 that emotions can highten a witch's powers?). And if Bonnie is already at it saving Enzo, why not save Tyler and who knows whom else in the process, too?
Concerning the promo, it did look like some magical ritual took place in the Bonnie-Enzo-scene, but the woman standing in front of Enzo strewing those petals(?) wasn't Bonnie, who was standing in the background crying. I couldn't recognize her. Maybe she is another witch or a descendant of Enzo's? No matter who she is though, the witch(es) will definitely play a major role in the eps to come (no spoilers just my own assumptions).

I can't wait for the next episode!
Arabian: Bonnie07arabian on February 8th, 2017 01:05 am (UTC)
Neither have I. Right now he is actually my least favorite character with his annoying it's black-and-white-worldview. It's about time he wakes up because he should know better by now.

Eh, I'd put Matt above Alaric and Enzo personally. And frankly, he's on par with Bonnie right now.

I actually thought she was sucked into oblivion when the other side collapsed but it's of course totally possible that through this collapse all those dead supernaturals ended up in hell (which means we might also get to see some other characters again?).

Yeah, that was Hell. We know that because when Georgie was sent to Hell, she was sucked away just like Katherine, etc. had been. Without the Other Side, Hell is the only place they could go. Well, I already knew about someone else we were going to see, but was spoiled as to what episode just today, sigh.

Yes, my thoughts on how this is gonna work out are as follow: The theme of this season seems to be Greek mythology; concerning Bonnie and Enzo we already saw some kind of variation on the Odysseus and Penelope-story; for what's gonna happen next I'm thinking of some twisted Orpheus and Eurydike-story only with the roles reversed: Bonnie saving Enzo from the Underworld. I don't think that Bonnie will bargain with Cade though as Orpheus did. I think she will kick his ass for what he has done. And I agree with you that her powers seem to have increased, being strenghened by her grief (wasn't it also explained in s1 that emotions can highten a witch's powers?). And if Bonnie is already at it saving Enzo, why not save Tyler and who knows whom else in the process, too?

That's a good idea, that it might happen that way. (I just took a quick glance at the preview, so I'll take your word for it that it was someone other than Bonnie.)
tj2013tj2013 on February 7th, 2017 03:10 pm (UTC)
Congrats on the new job!

So... Bonnie and Enzo? It painfully reminded me of a mixture of Stefan and Elena's trip in "The last day" and the episode you mentioned with the motorbike. So cheesy... Why does a vampire need to wear a helmet anyway? And skydiving? It was so over-the-top, I was literally waiting for Enzo to die. Which is kinda sad, because I like Enzo and I love Bonnie, only not as couple. And I hope he is dead dead, because if not, no death on this show ever makes any impression anymore. I want Bonnie to be happy, but I don't want her to bring Enzo back. Her pain was so strong to bring her powers back (at least that's what I assume), so please don't cheapen it by bringing him back.

I loved all the Stefan-Damon-dialogues. Especially in the first scene Stefan was hilarious. Kudos to Paul Wesley. And him telling Damon he would kill Elena. Chilling.

Damon and Caroline are great together. As scheming friends, I mean. Adorable - and they get things done. Not always with the intended result, but still.

Hm... So Elena's blood is not the cure per se? But it's only a little vial? Somehow the whole scene with Bonnie drawing blood (without giving us even a little glance of Elena in the coffin) was not very poetic. It was so ... technical (for lack of a better word).

And now Stefan is human (as Elena would have wanted for him) and we have two human-vampire-couples, only mirrored. (Three, if you include Bonnie and Enzo)

I like your idea of all the little signs pointing to another Founder's day.

Arabian: Caroline06arabian on February 8th, 2017 01:00 am (UTC)
Congrats on the new job!

Thank you. :)

So... Bonnie and Enzo? It painfully reminded me of a mixture of Stefan and Elena's trip in "The last day" and the episode you mentioned with the motorbike.

Oh, you mean alongside the fucking motorcyle, the fucking waterfalls? Yeah.

So cheesy... Why does a vampire need to wear a helmet anyway? And skydiving? It was so over-the-top, I was literally waiting for Enzo to die.

Yes, yes, yes... I didn't think of him dying simply because I expect to be tortured with Bonnie and Enzo non-stop.

Which is kinda sad, because I like Enzo and I love Bonnie, only not as couple.

Right.

And I hope he is dead dead, because if not, no death on this show ever makes any impression anymore.

That doesn't bother me right now since death HAS stuck in the past, and this is the tail-end of the last season.

I want Bonnie to be happy, but I don't want her to bring Enzo back. Her pain was so strong to bring her powers back (at least that's what I assume), so please don't cheapen it by bringing him back.

Good point, but I don't think we'll be that lucky. *sigh*

I loved all the Stefan-Damon-dialogues. Especially in the first scene Stefan was hilarious. Kudos to Paul Wesley. And him telling Damon he would kill Elena. Chilling.

Just yes to ALL OF THIS!

Damon and Caroline are great together. As scheming friends, I mean. Adorable - and they get things done. Not always with the intended result, but still.

I can't get over how much I am LOVING them!

Hm... So Elena's blood is not the cure per se? But it's only a little vial? Somehow the whole scene with Bonnie drawing blood (without giving us even a little glance of Elena in the coffin) was not very poetic. It was so ... technical (for lack of a better word).

That is clearly a case of them not having Nina, but they could have gotten around that. Get a shot from the season 06 finale of Elena in the coffin, then have a stand-in for her arm for Bonnie taking the blood... but, yeah, I agree.

The cure being just a small vial of her blood makes no sense with what we know. But, you know, Julie--who is pretty much exec producer on her own this go-round--and continuity are not always friends.

And now Stefan is human (as Elena would have wanted for him) and we have two human-vampire-couples, only mirrored. (Three, if you include Bonnie and Enzo)

Must I? LOL!

I like your idea of all the little signs pointing to another Founder's day.

I'll be really surprised if that's not the case.

Edited at 2017-02-08 01:03 am (UTC)
jairem08: pic#122702267jairem08 on February 7th, 2017 07:26 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it headed to some dead coming back and also all becoming human. I always thought that the cure is only enough for one user either in the original vial or once drunk out of the body of the one that drank it. Cannot recall that it would ever be stated otherwise. Bonnie really planned to harvest Elenas blood. Bonnie has never been my favourite character and her actions make me dislike her a bit more. Very curious now what will happen. Still hoping for more than one episode with Nina. Won't probably get it though. Hope your new job is ok and makes you happy. Good luck.
Arabian: Damon12arabian on February 8th, 2017 12:58 am (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it headed to some dead coming back and also all becoming human.

Yup, me too.

I always thought that the cure is only enough for one user either in the original vial or once drunk out of the body of the one that drank it.

That is EXACTLY canon on the cure.

Cannot recall that it would ever be stated otherwise.

Nope, it never was. This is not tracking with what we know of the cure and it's properties, but the info we got was from Tessa and Silas, not the most reliable of sources, so hopefully we'll get something that clears it up.

Bonnie really planned to harvest Elenas blood.

Yeah, not cool. It really would have been such a violation.

Bonnie has never been my favourite character and her actions make me dislike her a bit more.

Well, you know that I love her and have always loved her, so not being very happy with her doesn't make me very happy! :(

Very curious now what will happen. Still hoping for more than one episode with Nina. Won't probably get it though.

I'm still hopeful we'll get her in more than one, but even one... at least she's coming back for that finale.

Hope your new job is ok and makes you happy. Good luck.

Thank you. :)
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Elena--Crazy Townamberfocus on February 8th, 2017 05:59 am (UTC)
Honestly, I can't get past all the real estate crap. I mean, it's The Vampire Diaries. I am regularly required to suspend my disbelief and believe for 42 minutes each week that there are vampires, werewolves, and witches, which, you know, I can do in the name of escapist fiction. But don't expect me to believe a house could ever be acquired in this manner. Even if he could forge Bonnie's signature, there would still have to be a witness besides the real estate agent and a Notary who was not the real estate agent, because you CAN NOT notarize your own sale or purchase, it is against the law. And even if all of that was in place, the documents still have to be filed with the city the sale takes place in AND be recorded so at least two to three business days to take possession, assuming it is a well-functioning department who stays on top of things. This was a slap in the face of reality to anyone who has either bought or sold a house. It would be easier to believe that Bonnie had a mortgage on the house and he bought the loan and became ispo facto the owner of the house that way, than that he compelled a real estate agent to forge paperwork. And then there is the whole thing of how a real estate agent not hired by the owner could even get a hold of the documents for the house in the first place. Not enough time. Stupid plot. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I do not expect TVD to be stupid. Over the top and ridiculous, yes, but not stupid.

Other than that, Caroline was pretty. Damon was snarky. I wish Bonnie was a descendant of Cade and hence had the power buried in her to defeat him. Now that would be a plot twist I could get behind, instead of random black dude student of Alaric's that I have not had time to care about yet, and if I were writing it, I would totally do that.

I hope things turn around. I want a happy ending that is plausible and doesn't end with me throwing things and/or swearing off teen vampire shows forever. I don't usually have this many feelings about TVD. My feelings are big this time.
Arabian: Elena18arabian on February 8th, 2017 05:22 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I can't get past all the real estate crap.

sarcasticcheese was the same way. That plot hole was just... SERIOUSLY!?

But like I said, Tsu Taylor generally makes one or two big BOFFO WTH? issues in her scripts.

Stupid plot. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I do not expect TVD to be stupid. Over the top and ridiculous, yes, but not stupid.

Yup.

Other than that, Caroline was pretty. Damon was snarky.


I wish Bonnie was a descendant of Cade and hence had the power buried in her to defeat him. Now that would be a plot twist I could get behind, instead of random black dude student of Alaric's that I have not had time to care about yet, and if I were writing it, I would totally do that.

I'm glad it's NOT Bonnie because for a while there every single dark-skinned character with any kind of psychic/witchy ability was an ascendent/related to Bonnie. It was pretty ridiculous. I think they've done a good job with Dorian actually. He was introduced early on in the season, as a bright student who figured out things, then we saw by virtue of Alaric telling him all that he was trust-worthy. We saw him working first with Ric, then Matt, now Caroline for a bit. We saw him mourn a dear friend and fight to avenge her. We've seen his interest and level-headedness when dealing with the crazy and in this episode we got back-story, and first his interest in maybe being a vampire, and then put in a situation where he was able to definitively make the decision not to. All of that and we don't even know for sure that he is the descendant of Cade.

I hope things turn around. I want a happy ending that is plausible and doesn't end with me throwing things and/or swearing off teen vampire shows forever.

Other than Bonnie/Enzo and their relationship (ugh), I think that most episodes this season overall have been great to awesome. There was only one so-so one before this, and again, outside of Bonnie/Enzo, the other stuff was pretty fabulous, so yeah, I have faith we'll get a good ending that works!

I don't usually have this many feelings about TVD. My feelings are big this time.

When a major stupid invades your show and it's SO unlike the show that is bound to happen!
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Eureka--Jo Lupo--Beautifulamberfocus on February 8th, 2017 08:01 pm (UTC)
I did think about that, that Bonnie has been related to almost every black character on the show, except that one witch and his dad. But because everyone has always been related to Bonnie it would actually make sense for them to fall back on that again. To be honest, I kept expecting Dorian to be a long lost cousin or something of Bonnie's.

I just haven't taken to Dorian. He didn't grab me from the beginning like the male witch did. No spark, I guess. Not like Georgie. If there had been more time with him and Alaric, I might care, but really I don't attach to new characters anymore because I know time is running out and they will just end up dead anyway, like the Miss Mystic Falls girl who was turned. Or like Matt's cop friend last season. Most of the time I don't even remember their names anymore.

Do you know if Jeremy is coming back for the last episode, too, or is he done done?
Arabian: Jeremy01arabian on February 8th, 2017 10:35 pm (UTC)
I did think about that, that Bonnie has been related to almost every black character on the show, except that one witch and his dad. But because everyone has always been related to Bonnie it would actually make sense for them to fall back on that again.

I don't know, for me it would have been a step too far, and well, I like Dorian. :)

o be honest, I kept expecting Dorian to be a long lost cousin or something of Bonnie's.

Now that actually didn't cross my mind!

I just haven't taken to Dorian. He didn't grab me from the beginning like the male witch did. No spark, I guess. Not like Georgie.

I do agree with that. (Although, the male witch--Luka--I thought was awful. Didn't like him at all. His dad, Jonas, was way better.)

If there had been more time with him and Alaric, I might care

I think they could have cast the role better (I mean, I loved Oscar--still miss him!--after one episode. Rebekah? One episode. Elijah? One episode. Tessa? One episode. Georgie? Two episodes. So I think it's the casting here.

but really I don't attach to new characters anymore because I know time is running out and they will just end up dead anyway, like the Miss Mystic Falls girl who was turned. Or like Matt's cop friend last season. Most of the time I don't even remember their names anymore.

I can see why you would feel that way. I'm OK as long as the casting/writing is good.

Do you know if Jeremy is coming back for the last episode, too, or is he done done?

I'm fairly positive that he is for sure coming back, but not 100% (about 99.9%) but I know no specifics, because, yeah, still trying for spoiler-free.

Edited at 2017-02-08 10:35 pm (UTC)
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Eureka--Jo Lupo--Beautifulamberfocus on February 9th, 2017 02:27 am (UTC)
I did like Luka, though. I thought he was gorgeous and had chemistry with Bonnie. Not as much as Jeremy, though. I did like his dad, too.

Even though I like Bonnie/Enzo and I am not sure he will come back from the dead, I would throw them over in a heartbeat for a Bonnie/Jeremy happy ending. Not like super epic or anything, but him holding out his hand to her and saying "Want to try again?" and her pausing for a long moment, swallowing hard, and then saying, "Yeah," and taking his hand and then the wind blows their hair and the sunset does something glorious and she takes a step closer. And that's it. That is all it would take to make me happy with Bonnie's storyline closure. I don't even need a kiss, because it would be a disservice to Enzo, but a sweet moment with Jeremy with a chance for a future, yes. That would be enough. But I doubt I will get it, because this show likes to hurt me.
Arabian: Jeremy & Bonnie04arabian on February 9th, 2017 03:16 am (UTC)
Oh, see I thought Luka (and the actor who played him) was a big giant suck of anti-chemistry. Hell, even his few scenes with Ian Somerhalder had like no spark. The guy just did NOTHING, actually less than nothing for me. I was so happy when he died!

RE: Bonnie/Jeremy and Bonnie/Enzo -- I actually said something very similar in the last write-up:
I just wish I could buy their love story, but I don't so I don't think for one second that they'd actually get a happy end together. Bonnie still hasn't faced reality in their relationship, and Bonnie is literally the FIRST person who has ever even claimed to love Enzo back and where he actually got to be with her. There's just so much hinky with them and their "great love." Ah, I really wish they hadn't killed off Sarah (Salvatore). I liked her and Enzo. And I could happily see Jeremy show back up (because he so will) and have a moment of re-connection with him and Bonnie that would show that was her happy ending, and Enzo after realizing that he needs a love that faces all reality and goes to an exhibit of Sarah's or something and she turns and sees him and they share a smile. That would work so much better for me. But, alas, yeah, not happening.
To repeat myself: Yeah, not happening. But since I'm positive we'll get Damon/Elena and Stefan/Caroline, I'll be very happy with that.

Edited at 2017-02-09 03:17 am (UTC)
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Eureka--Jo Lupo--Beautifulamberfocus on February 9th, 2017 03:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, we often disagree about chemistry, though. And characters. I liked Jo. I liked lady cop. I liked Luka. I thought Stefan and Elena had a ton of chemistry and I really loved them together. But I always rooted for Damon because he was far more interesting and was never holier than thou, which is a character flaw I don't like in Stefan and it turns out he never had any reason to be holier than thou. He's the brother who has done the worst things. (Once it was obvious Caroline had a crush on Stefan and they built a friendship (at least once Tyler/Caroline was no longer viable), and Elena's eyes were turning towards Damon with increasing frequencey, that's all I wanted, though.) And I like Bonnie/Enzo even with the short-shrift. I did not like the actress who played Mama Salvatore, however. Didn't hate her, just...didn't connect. And the lesbian couple, you liked one, I liked the other, so...*shrugs* Personal preference, I suppose.

I don't think I read the last write up. I usually read them all, but that week was a mess and I wasn't ready to read two long and detailed write ups this week as I'm sick and I generally have to read them, think about them, and then read them again. So I picked this one. I'm sure I'll go back and read it in a day or two when my head no longer feels twice as big as it should be.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on February 9th, 2017 07:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we often disagree about chemistry, though.

Well, chemistry is soooo subjective!

And characters. I liked Jo. I liked lady cop. I liked Luka.

I think we agree on most characters, though, it's just a few where we differ. I think.

I thought Stefan and Elena had a ton of chemistry and I really loved them together.

Now, I do think they had chemistry (if not a ton), but yeah, even before I became die-hard Damon/Elena, and did like S/E, I never went beyond kinda liking them and thinking they were sweet.

But I always rooted for Damon because he was far more interesting and was never holier than thou, which is a character flaw I don't like in Stefan and it turns out he never had any reason to be holier than thou.

Hah! LOL! Oh, Stefan. My self-righteous boo!

He's the brother who has done the worst things. (Once it was obvious Caroline had a crush on Stefan and they built a friendship (at least once Tyler/Caroline was no longer viable), and Elena's eyes were turning towards Damon with increasing frequencey, that's all I wanted, though.)

It's so weird how things change. I mean, I liked Tyler/Caroline (and Klaus/Caroline) at first, but as the story progressed they just didn't work for me. (Of course, that really could have been intentional on the writers' part--show why this pairing doesn't work.)

And I like Bonnie/Enzo even with the short-shrift.

I think if I didn't think all of the other love stories were so well-done (even ones I didn't like, such as Jo/Alaric), that the short-shrift wouldn't bother me. I love Bonnie, really like Enzo and I do think they have chemistry... my frustration with the sub-par writing of the love story has just grown with each episode so I like them less and less. This one is not on the actors AT ALL; it's totally on the writing.

I did not like the actress who played Mama Salvatore, however. Didn't hate her, just...didn't connect.

I can see that completely because I actually liked her WAY more on TVD than I did on 24. I think that if I had just seen her first on TVD, I would feel the same as you. (Still didn't like her, though.)

And the lesbian couple, you liked one, I liked the other, so...*shrugs* Personal preference, I suppose.

Ah, which one did you like? Because I started out really liking Mary Louise (blonde) and being meh on Nora (brunette), then switched over (about mid-season) to really liking Nora and kinda losing that early bloom for Mary Louise.

I don't think I read the last write up. I usually read them all, but that week was a mess and I wasn't ready to read two long and detailed write ups

Me? Write long and detailed write-ups? I don't know what you're talking about! LOL!

I generally have to read them, think about them, and then read them again.

Aww, is that because I give so much to think about or they're not clear?! Eek!

So I picked this one. I'm sure I'll go back and read it in a day or two when my head no longer feels twice as big as it should be.

Well, I hope you do feel better soon!
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Eureka--Jo Lupo--Beautifulamberfocus on February 9th, 2017 11:09 pm (UTC)
Nora was the one I liked all the way through. I did not care for Mary Louise, never warmed up to her. There was maybe a moment or two, but I don't know. I think, also, it might be because she looks so much like Liza Huber (Susan Lucci's daughter) who played a character I really did not like a long time ago, which I didn't realize at the time. But ML just felt cold most of the time. I really did not like any of that group much, though. I liked Oscar, Nora, and Beau (oh, hey, black guy who wasn't related to Bonnie).

No, your write ups are not unclear at all. It's just I don't watch the show paying as much attention to detail as you do. I sort of just watch it on an emotional level most of the time, root for my people, and laugh at the snark. I don't know who is directing or writing or any of that until I read it here. The most I usually do is look up music if there is a song I like, or a new character's actor if I feel like I know them from somewhere. So then when you write about the details there's always stuff I didn't pay attention to. Or might have fallen asleep during (like when Seline died the first time, I thought she was dead, so I must have fallen asleep at the very end). Or when I thought Elena should be able to jump bodies so we could keep the character, but I didn't remember it was only a witch who could jump into the body of another witch. That sort of thing.

So when I read the write ups, you always bring in past information and tie it around to current storyline and so I have to digest that and kind of integrate it into what my impressions were of the show, then read through it all again to see how that shakes into my brain, before I respond.

I have not rewatched the show as much as you. I've seen season 1 three times and season 2 through 5 twice, and then the rest only once. Well, I rewatched a couple of Bonnie and Damon eps when they were trapped a couple times, but that's it.

I love the show, but I'm not as devoted as I was. And I prefer The Originals these last couple seasons, actually since Elena left. I will still miss TVD dreadfully, though.
Arabian: Elena03arabian on February 10th, 2017 05:37 pm (UTC)
Nora was the one I liked all the way through. I did not care for Mary Louise, never warmed up to her.

Ah, OK. My thing was Mary Louise was so reserved and tight-laced, and seemed the "nicest" but we could sense there was more going on. Then when Julian showed up, we saw that she had a real darkness to her. I thought that was interesting, but nothing ever developed. Nora, I began to like around episode 7 or 8 and she was my favorite of the two after then.

I think, also, it might be because she looks so much like Liza Huber (Susan Lucci's daughter) who played a character I really did not like a long time ago

Gwen on Passions? I was a Theresa-girl myself, LOL!

No, your write ups are not unclear at all. It's just I don't watch the show paying as much attention to detail as you do. I sort of just watch it on an emotional level most of the time, root for my people, and laugh at the snark.

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I do tend to go pretty deep into it, LOL!

I have not rewatched the show as much as you. I've seen season 1 three times and season 2 through 5 twice, and then the rest only once. Well, I rewatched a couple of Bonnie and Damon eps when they were trapped a couple times, but that's it.

I watched s1 about 4 times, season 2 and 3 about 3 times, season 4, 5, 6, 7 twice. And I've watched some episodes of season 08 twice. When the series is over, I plan to do a full rewatch, but take my time going through it, read my write-ups, comments, maybe clean them up, add more. And then, I plan to do a quick rewatch of the whole series after that.

I love the show, but I'm not as devoted as I was.

Sadly that's the case for many. :(

And I prefer The Originals these last couple seasons, actually since Elena left.

I'm watching TO, but it just doesn't do it for me. Of the characters that were on TVD, only Klaus I like better. Rebekah has just been written horribly, Elijah's backstory on TVD was ignored, rewritten, etc. And to me most of the characters feel like supporting ones, not lead. But, to each their own. I know you're not the only one that prefers that one now.

I will still miss TVD dreadfully, though.

ME TOO!!!

(BTW: I believe birthday wishes are in order! So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!)

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Matt: Ghidorahghidorah15 on February 11th, 2017 04:36 am (UTC)
The Originals drove me away when it killed off both Camille and Davina. Screw that noise. And that's not even getting into its mistreatment of my beloved Rebekah. *sigh* The Vampire Diaries has been so much better, even with all the frustrations, and I'm really looking forward to Elena coming back and shutting down the haters once and for all. ;)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 13th, 2017 09:52 pm (UTC)
I wasn't happy about them killing them off either (of course, I really wasn't happy with them turning Cami into a vampire--I liked her better as a human, but ah well). I'm still watching it because (A) Jason Dohring (Will, the detective) might be back--no spoilers, LOL! so I don't know, and (B) this may be the last season, and (C) if it's not Candice or Zach might somehow wind up on that show depending on how things end on TVD.

Can't wait to see my bb, Elena again!!!
Vickie: 16 Candles Epic Failuresarcasticcheese on February 14th, 2017 05:48 pm (UTC)
Heh, I did rant pretty hard about the real estate thing.

(Hey look here I am. It's only been 3 years since I last did anything on LJ lol).
Arabian: Ian Somerhalder02arabian on February 14th, 2017 06:55 pm (UTC)
LOL! Great icon.

You clearly were not the only one who had an issue with the 'real estate thing.'
Florencia: DE (The Wreck of Our Hearts)florencia7 on May 12th, 2017 10:38 am (UTC)
RE: 8.11 / part I
"So, I got a job!" - Congratulations!!! :D How is it going? I hope you're having a good time there so far and that you like what you're doing.

"Nothing we've ever read, seen, heard, etc. has indicated in any way, shape or form that Bonnie's family had that kind of money, or that her father had that kind of money." - You know, it did cross my mind, but I kind of let that one go, because, to be honest, it would be easy to come up with many more similar issues throughout the show, and what would be the point? That's not what the show is about. We've never seen anyone doing laundry, grocery shopping or running any errands either, and yet everyone's house, clothes, hair, etc. always looked perfect, all the bills seemed to be paid on time, and other than Matt insurance problems no one ever referred to facing some daily struggles. Despite Damon's apparent fondness of his carpets and rugs, I highly doubt he was regularly cleaning the entire boarding house (if only for the lack of time) and yet it was never addressed who was doing any cleaning in there. So I think I just filed Bonnie randomly buying a house as one of those mundane tasks that the show doesn't ever discuss in great detail.

"Yeah, there is absolutely no way that Bonnie would no longer own her home just because her realtor was compelled to do all of that paperwork." - I was wondering about that! But then I thought that maybe in the US it's possible or something. Lol!

"And that she would be doing without her permission and without the knowledge of her best friend—to whom Elena had already promised that cure." - Yes, that bothered me throughout that storyline.

"And it just sucks. That's not Bonnie Bennett. This season, she has mostly been written as self-involved and selfish." - Ha, has she now? Because I think something more complicated might have happened here. I wouldn't necessarily say that Bonnie having selfish/self-involved tendencies was something out-of-the-blue and out-of-character. Throughout the seasons we've been flooded with Bonnie doing awesome things and saving people AND with everyone loudly and repeatedly acknowledging her doing so. However, there were those moments throughout the show when she would go and do things without really caring about anyone's feelings or possible death as long as she felt she was *right*. Like in S1 when she pretended to de-spell the anti-vampire device. Also when she didn't want to talk to Kai in S6 (not marry him, just listen to him for 3 minutes in a public place). Also, she never ever brought up the possibility of breaking the sleeping spell by turning into a vampire. I'm not saying that Bonnie is selfish or not a good friend. But I'd argue she isn't exactly the most selfless person ever.

"I loved how Stefan killed Enzo because it was a parallel to how Enzo first died as a vampire." - Yes, that was a great aspect of it.

"Another parallel of sorts was the simple fact that Stefan got the cure from Elena" - You're right! I actually missed that parallel.
Arabian: Bonnie01arabian on May 14th, 2017 05:52 pm (UTC)
Re: 8.11 / part I
"So, I got a job!" - Congratulations!!! :D How is it going? I hope you're having a good time there so far and that you like what you're doing.

I really do enjoy it. :)

"Nothing we've ever read, seen, heard, etc. has indicated in any way, shape or form that Bonnie's family had that kind of money, or that her father had that kind of money." - You know, it did cross my mind, but I kind of let that one go, because, to be honest, it would be easy to come up with many more similar issues throughout the show, and what would be the point? That's not what the show is about. We've never seen anyone doing laundry, grocery shopping or running any errands either, and yet everyone's house, clothes, hair, etc. always looked perfect, all the bills seemed to be paid on time, and other than Matt insurance problems no one ever referred to facing some daily struggles. Despite Damon's apparent fondness of his carpets and rugs, I highly doubt he was regularly cleaning the entire boarding house (if only for the lack of time) and yet it was never addressed who was doing any cleaning in there. So I think I just filed Bonnie randomly buying a house as one of those mundane tasks that the show doesn't ever discuss in great detail.

That's very true... although, re: Damon and the boarding house... HOW DARE YOU! Damon cleans that entire boarding house himself. He relishes every moment of it. When he's not off cleaning up the messes that the Scooby gang makes, he puts on his apron and gloves and dusts and cleans, washes windows and wipes down counter tops, makes beds and tidies up. Uh huh. He's Damon "Mr. Clean" Salvatore.

"Yeah, there is absolutely no way that Bonnie would no longer own her home just because her realtor was compelled to do all of that paperwork." - I was wondering about that! But then I thought that maybe in the US it's possible or something. Lol!

Nope, so badly, wrongly done.

"And that she would be doing without her permission and without the knowledge of her best friend—to whom Elena had already promised that cure." - Yes, that bothered me throughout that storyline.

Really, really badly, wrongly done.

Ha, has she now?

Yes.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Bonnie having selfish/self-involved tendencies was something out-of-the-blue and out-of-character.

I disagree.

Like in S1 when she pretended to de-spell the anti-vampire device.

You mean... in order to save the ENTIRE TOWN? That's why she did it. Damon had threatened and almost killed her. She was doing this to take him and the other vampires down. She felt terrible for betraying Elena, but she wasn't doing it for a selfish reason. She was doing it to help humans and Mystic Falls. That was Bonnie actually hurting her own self-interest because it would make her best friend upset with her. She hurt herself for the greater good.

Also when she didn't want to talk to Kai in S6 (not marry him, just listen to him for 3 minutes in a public place).

Oh, you mean, she was so selfish to not want to talk to the sociopath who stabbed her, and then when she still spoke to him and gave him a second chance and had dinner with him because he promised her she would never have to see him again ever, he stabbed her AGAIN, stole their car and left her stranded all alone in an alternate universe helping to give her PTSD? That was her being selfish? Really?!

Also, she never ever brought up the possibility of breaking the sleeping spell by turning into a vampire.

Because there was the possibility (which she mentioned to Enzo) that by doing so it could kill Elena and her because it was cheating and using magic.

I'm not saying that Bonnie is selfish or not a good friend. But I'd argue she isn't exactly the most selfless person ever.

Of all of them--aside from Matt maybe--yeah, she is. And your examples actually proved it even more.
Florencia: DE (I've Never Felt More Alive)florencia7 on May 28th, 2017 01:43 pm (UTC)
Re: 8.11 / part I
"I really do enjoy it." - That's wonderful to hear! :)

"HOW DARE YOU! Damon cleans that entire boarding house himself." - LOLl OK, my mistake. You're right. Of course he does!

"That was her being selfish? Really?!" - I never called this (I think? lol) as her being selfish. Just that it was a tiny *indication* that she had it in her, the tendency. Not that she ever did anything blatantly selfish. Just that there was that *trace* of the possibility. That's all.

"Because there was the possibility (which she mentioned to Enzo) that by doing so it could kill Elena and her because it was cheating and using magic." - I guess it all depends on how specific Kai's spell was ;) Would it still be cheating if it happened totally by accident? Would the spell be able to, um, detect that? If, for instance Bonnie accidentally died with vampire blood in her system after being healed with it? I was just wondering.
Florencia: DE (Morning After)florencia7 on May 12th, 2017 10:39 am (UTC)
RE: 8.11 / part II
"After all, everything they know about how the cure works is based on Silas draining Katherine and then the fall-out, but did Silas have to drain Katherine?" - That's something I didn't think of. Valid point. Except that this is precisely why it doesn't make sense for everyone to suddenly know that's not how the cure works. Why did they think a single vial would do the trick? Just because the original cure was in that form? It really seems like Caroline Dries was the one keeping things logical lol Or maybe wrapping things up is always difficult and final seasons are just very hard to write.

"Taking Elena's blood for the cure from her 'Sleeping Beauty' cursed body without her knowledge, without her permission, and against her already expressed wishes is a violation." - Yes, it just can't feel not wrong.

"We are going to see a human!Stefan Salvatore for the remainder of the series." - I would've been upset about this, I mean, about seeing human!Stefan instead of human!Damon for several episodes, if it wasn't for the fact that it turned out to be a predominantly sad sight.

"Damon: Then, whatever anger you're working through, man, you can just take it out on me." - In S8 I was pretty much seeing callbacks everywhere, so this one may be just me seeing things, but I thought this was a callback to when in 4x01 Elena told Damon to take it out on her and not anyone else.

"As kids, they just weren't aware of it; that was for the adults to deal with and they (Caroline, Bonnie, Matt, et al.) are the adults now. Such a great speech." - Yes, it was awesome.

"After all, Bonnie brought Jeremy back from the dead. Sure, he was on the Other Side and she died from it, but" - I guess in light of that, it looks like they meant to show that Bonnie made some progress and learned to let go.

"Matt saying that Stefan maybe shouldn't get a pass despite the switch, the Devil being involved, mind control, etc. was shocking! It was also really nice to see someone applying the same crappy attitude to Stefan as everyone always does to Damon." - Yes to both points. You're right.

PS. Your deleted comments showed up in my inbox as "deleted comments" so I didn't get spoiled on them yet ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena25arabian on May 14th, 2017 05:56 pm (UTC)
Re: 8.11 / part II
"After all, everything they know about how the cure works is based on Silas draining Katherine and then the fall-out, but did Silas have to drain Katherine?" - That's something I didn't think of. Valid point. Except that this is precisely why it doesn't make sense for everyone to suddenly know that's not how the cure works.

RIGHT!??!

Why did they think a single vial would do the trick? Just because the original cure was in that form? It really seems like Caroline Dries was the one keeping things logical lol Or maybe wrapping things up is always difficult and final seasons are just very hard to write.

I think it's both, but mostly the former. Like I said, the Julie Plec run seasons alone had consistent/logical issues.

"Taking Elena's blood for the cure from her 'Sleeping Beauty' cursed body without her knowledge, without her permission, and against her already expressed wishes is a violation." - Yes, it just can't feel not wrong.

Yup, how they did not see that is beyond me.

"We are going to see a human!Stefan Salvatore for the remainder of the series." - I would've been upset about this, I mean, about seeing human!Stefan instead of human!Damon for several episodes, if it wasn't for the fact that it turned out to be a predominantly sad sight.

Yeah, but Damon's wouldn't have been sad.

"Damon: Then, whatever anger you're working through, man, you can just take it out on me." - In S8 I was pretty much seeing callbacks everywhere, so this one may be just me seeing things, but I thought this was a callback to when in 4x01 Elena told Damon to take it out on her and not anyone else.

Maybe, could be.
Florencia: Damon (Love)florencia7 on May 28th, 2017 01:48 pm (UTC)
Re: 8.11 / part II
"Yeah, but Damon's wouldn't have been sad." - True, but then it wouldn't have probably worked with other elements of the plot, so, sadly, we didn't get to see that.