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14 November 2015 @ 12:04 pm
7.06 - 'Best Served Cold' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Blah, I was sick again. Blergh!

The Vampire Diaries is a very well written, acted and directed television show. It just has one very big problem right now. It’s in stasis. The driving force of this show has been the idea of romance, love… love of family, love of friends, love of community, yes, but the threaded theme that has been the main force has been romantic love. And that was fine the first six seasons because you had the triangle in seasons 01 through 03 with Stefan and Elena on one side, and Damon and Elena on the other. Then in most of seasons 04 through 06—although some will (wrongly) argue the triangle continued all the way through season 05—you had the lead couple of Damon and Elena, along with the secondary couples in various stages of Jeremy and Bonnie, Stefan and Rebekah, Stefan and Caroline, Rebekah and Matt, Klaus and Caroline, Caroline and Tyler, Tyler and Liv, etc.

Now, however, we no longer have Damon and Elena. Except we do. Damon and Elena are still the lead couple of The Vampire Diaries. Which as a Damon/Elena fan I love because I love them, but as a fan of The Vampire Diaries, this is an issue and this is why there is no buzz, there is no heat, no build-up and why I think they are shaking things up right now. I say that we have Damon and Elena as the lead couple because the show is still treating them as such, six episodes in; Damon is still the only leading male character on this show.

I think that Paul Wesley is great, as well, Matt Davis, Zach Roerig are and I like Michael Malarkey. However, regardless of where Wesley's name is in the credits, as Stefan, he is not a leading man. Davis' Alaric is not a leading man. Both are supporting characters to Ian Somerhalder's Damon. Possibly Roerig's and Malarkey's Matt and Enzo could be leading (Enzo more than Matt) since they've never really tried with either character, but right now, Damon is really the only true leading man this show has. And there is only *one* leading lady that the majority of the viewing audience will accept with him and she isn't here right now. So The Vampire Diaries doesn't have a lead couple together on screen right now. That's a problem.

I love Candice King; she's not a leading lady either. At least not as Caroline. The character of Caroline Forbes was written and conceived as a supporting character and it shows. It doesn't matter how much screen time she has. She's a supporting character. Now, Bonnie on the other hand, can step out of that supporting role. I think of how many times I’ve said that she and Damon get shit done, or how when I did my central character breakdowns and Bonnie was the only other character (aside from the main three) who had multiple 3-episode arcs that were driven by her character. It’s because Bonnie, as a character, can drive story, does make her own moves, is not a follower enough and is a leader. The only reason that Bonnie falls into the supporting character role is because of a screen time. And, in my opinion, Kat Graham is a strong enough actress and is charismatic enough to warrant the more screen time. And maybe, just maybe, this move with Michael Malarkey's Enzo will pay off. I hope so because I want The Vampire Diaries to succeed beyond Damon and Elena and this season.

And it will only do that when the show has a strong, lead couple that actually has *both* actors/characters on screen. Again, Damon and Elena are still their lead couple with Stefan and Caroline as the secondary because, yeah, that's what Stefan and Caroline are... a secondary couple on the show. An adorable, squee-worthy, I ♥ them so very much, but still, secondary. The way their romance has been written over the last five seasons just has not been designed as one that a show can be written around. They're simply not a lead couple.

Maybe that's why they're trying to mix things up. This brings us to… Caroline and Alaric? OK, then. So someone in my comments had mentioned that Alaric might be Caroline's fiancé and I'd kinda glossed over that, and I wasn't sure why I had. Now that we know he is her fiancé, I know why I did... because I think it's kinda gross. I mean, Alaric met Caroline when she was 16. Yeah, people, she was a junior in high school when they met, and he was her teacher. It's just... ewww. I'm not down with it. I dunno, maybe they're going for Stefan and Caroline break up over him keeping secrets from her when Caroline has been so completely cool about this Valerie thing. And then Valerie and Stefan re-connect. And then Caroline and Alaric start to bond and wind up falling in lurve during the pregnancy? I guess. I dunno, we'll see. I suppose it could work depending on how they write it and how the chemistry and all that is, but... the whole 'she was a junior, he was her teacher when they met' thing kinda is an issue for me.

As for the other side of the mixer, Stefan and Valerie—I am open to this, simply because, well, what I said above: I want this show to continue and succeed. I don’t know that it will with the character of Caroline (not a knock against Candice King—she’s wonderfully talented and beautiful, and I adore Caroline, but see above: supporting character), but the possibility is there with Stefan. No, I don’t think that Stefan is a lead; he’s in support of Damon. But he wasn’t always. In season 01, he was a lead. At various points, we’ve seen Stefan take the leading role alongside Damon and Elena. It’s just that far too often the strength of Damon’s character, the power and beauty of his journey, the vitality and dynamism of Ian Somerhalder’s performance, and yes, his chemistry with Nina Dobrev’s Elena have managed to wrest that leading status away from Stefan and relegate him to the supporting role.

However, by focusing on the relationship of the brothers, and by focusing on Stefan’s journey, and building on the Stefan and Valerie story, we met get somewhere. Elizabeth Blackmore, who plays Valerie, is excellent. She and Paul do play well off of each other, and Stefan was always so much better off of the naughtier girls than the good ones. If they can create a believable love story here where Valerie is torn between the sweet girl she was, trying to find her way back to that, alongside the disintegrating Stefan and Caroline new love and the chemistry is really good among all three, this could work.

What could also work is Bonnie and Enzo. As I said above, Bonnie could be a leading lady, the character has the potential and I think that Kat Graham does. Enzo is such a clean slate with so much untapped, the sky’s the limit. I do wish they’d introduced the idea of them differently because I thought their chemistry in this episode was a lot more intriguing without the forced set-up from knowing “Three Years From Now." But on the other hand, would have felt that way without the “Three Years From Now?" Who knows? I do know that the tie fixing scene had a lot of chemistry, and it was very promising.

With all of the above said, it may seem like I had issues with this episode. I actually didn’t, like at all. I just was thinking on the fact that the show has like zero buzz at all. The ratings aren’t great (although the SD+ are good), but they’ve remained very steady all season, which is good. I just want everyone to love my show because I love it so, I guess, which is silly, I know. And I miss hearing from so many people in the past who loved the show with me. Anyhoo, moving on.

My favorite thing about the episode, of course, was my brothers Salvatore. This is the main thing I really wanted to see explored this season with Elena out of play: The Salvatore Brothers getting their ducks in a row. And it’s happening, slowly, but surely. The slowly is, of course, mostly courtesy of Stefan being a dick. Geez, Stefan! Why you gotta continue to be such an ass to Damon? Really? You honestly think that Damon is going to be making a glib comment about you losing a child once upon a time? *sigh* I get it, it’s Stefan’s own fears and projections, blah, blah, blah, but dude, so needs to get over this shit and like now! How many times does Damon have to prove him wrong at this point? Stefan, Stefan, Stefan.

On the other hand, Damon's whole speech about leaving the evil to him, and the good to Stefan, and lines being drawn between good and evil, and all that was brilliant and so beautifully Damon. It's just so obvious how much fun the writers (pretty much every writer on this show) has writing for this character. Damon is not evil; he never was evil, but he did bad things and the best thing about him is that he doesn't hide behind those bad things he did. He owns up to it, and in such a deliciously snarky, poetic way. And now he's a good guy, but he's a good guy in such a pragmatic way that he is still a vampire and thus willing to do still kinda bad things if he has to. And then you have Ian Somerhalder and his absolutely wicked delivery that just adds the icing to the cake. It's awesome.

And the awesomeness of Damon and who he is, knowing so completely who he is allows us to have Damon listen to Stefan whine and moan but it just rolls off his back now so we can have scenes like that glorious scene on the porch between the two where we got some long-needed discussion about Giuseppe. It’s not like we went all deep or anything, but still hearing the boys talk about dear ole dad without it turning into resentment about one another was pretty awesome. Plus, it also brought up an interesting point about Mommie Dearest. Lily has a type and she doesn’t even realize it. She hated Giuseppe so much and doesn’t even see that Julian is just like him. Wowsers! That was interesting.

Also interesting? OK, it may have meant absolutely nothing, and we have no clue when Lily met Julian, buuuuutttt, when Damon walked in on Stefan’s post-murder-Julian attempt and tried to skedaddle with his bro, Julian said, looking at Damon, “Sit down, son," but then flashed a look towards Stefan. Now, sure, older men call younger men “son" all the time, but still… it was interesting. And it was Damon who he sure appeared to be talking to more specifically since Damon said they should leave, and Julian was looking at him first, and you know, Giuseppe, hated him so much. And, yeah, you all know where I’m going with this. Uh huh.

Julian is totes Damon’s daddy. This would be why all the talk of daddy-dom is coming up. I wondered what the point of Valerie was being pregnant if she lost the baby. I mean, Stefan didn’t have any daddy issues. But Damon did! Well, I mean, hmmm… Stefan could be Julian’s son and be conflicted about killing him, but that wouldn’t fit the narrative of rebuilding him and Valerie, would it? Nope, if Julian is any of their daddy’s, it’s Damon. Yup, it’s Damon. That way it drives fresh Elena-related “conflict" without Elena being there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, specking of Damon and daddy issues. Can I just say how much I love that Damon has turned his daddy issues into a positive and it is the *one* thing he has decided to not have self-esteem issues about and he’s going to be a good father. Oh, wait, see above paragraph! Yup, that’s gonna be all shot to hell now. Boy just can’t win.

But, but, but… you guys, I know was all wah!wah!wah! the show needs to figure out how to have a lead couple with both lead characters on the show, blah, blah, blah, but that was my rational brain talking. Screw that! I still just so very much love the fact that even six episodes in (and you know it ain’t ending yet), Damon and Elena, and talk of Damon and Elena and their love, and how very present and future Damon and Elena are, permeates the show so completely. Damon and Elena are THE couple still. And I love it SO HARD! The talk of Damon remembering him and Elena playing their ‘five years from now’ game (thank goodness it wasn’t ‘three years from now’ right?!) was just a sweet reminder that it’s going to happen… eventually. Damon spoke not in the past, but in future tense: "If anything I just want to be a great dad…"

*sigh* My Damon/Elena loving heart. It’s coming.

And on that happy note, randoms …

- Yup, I was wrong about the tragic, beautiful romance that could have played out for Alaric and Not!Jo... and I'm a bit disappointed by that. I think we could have had an episode or two of that and it could have been really lovely. I actually do not have a "YES, JO (or rather Not!Jo) is dead!" here because I really did think there was a possibility for a sweet story here. Oh well. So I guess Jo coming back was mainly a way for Alaric to say goodbye AND to deal with Candice's pregnancy which I called (even if I didn't quite get the specifics down pat). And Caroline made sense as being the recipient of the embryos as all the other females were dead or going to die and Elena had been zoomed away by Damon.

- So who hurt Caroline and who is after Stefan? Dundundundun...

- OK, did anyone else have a thought of... hahahah! Is The Vampire Diaries implying that Florence Nightingale was a vampire and that is the vampire soul that jumped into Jo's body or just me?

- Damon, Stefan and Matt in suits? Yum!

- LMAO! At Matt knowing exactly how to knock Damon out. Just pretend to drink his good stuff. (Yes, yes, he was in league with Stefan, but only Matt could have pulled off his end of it. Hee.)

- What the hell is going on with the compelled, IV'd up peeps in the Mystic Falls high school? Inquiring minds want to know.

- I'm still not completely not sold that nothing won't happen with Matt and Bonnie. They're still sharing plenty of scenes. But I'm fine with nothing if it means that Matt lives!

- On one hand... really, Lily? You have to ask your sons what have you done to deserve them coming after you??!?! REALLY!?!??! On the other hand? At least there's a teeny bit of the milk of mother's kindness in that there breast of hers since she stopped Julian dear from trying to kill her boys. That's something I guess. :shrugs:

- Damon discovering the changes to his bedroom was funny, but the best bit was him waving the sword with his mother's peignoir on the end at Stefan. Bwah! Oh dear Lord, that was hysterical. (Thank goodness though that the bed *was* removed. Who would want to think of Damon and Elena sexytiems tainted by his mother having *ewwnasty* sexytiems in the same bed! Gross!)

- I know, I didn't talk about Nora and Mary Louise above in my couple-talk. There was a reason. They just aren't working for me and Lord knows I've tried. Sigh, honestly, at this point, they just feel completely superfluous and we're on episode six and I really like one of the actresses (Teressa Liane) and don't mind the other (Scarlet Bryne), so it's not on them. Plus, Beau remains a complete cipher. I had high hopes for the Heretics because early press used the Originals as an example of what they could do with them. But I ain't seeing it.

In comparison, I may have felt that Kol was played by a subpar actor (paging Nathanial Buzolic), but Kol was a complete character within a few episodes, I knew who he was (if shallow--I actually started to describe him, but it was too long!). Heck, even Finn was. And, of course, Elijah, Rebekah and Klaus all could have been lead characters in their own shows, they were so fully-drawn. Now to be fair, Kol and Finn (and Elijah when first introduced) were only in a few episodes and briefly at that, but still... I expected more. Especially because Nora and Mary Louise come fashioned with somewhat of a backstory, and have been in more than a few episodes and have been talked about, have a family, and a home. They should be more fleshed out, not less. (Not to mention the fact that they are played by stronger actors in some cases.)

- Valerie continues to be the only true win of the Heretics. (With Oscar gone. Boo! Hiss!)

I know I spent more time talking about the show in general than the episode, but I had thoughts. I did like the episode a lot (duh, Caroline Dries), and I am beginning to see the set-up of where they are taking things. I continue to really enjoy the season; I like where things are going. As a Damon/Elena fan and TVD fan, I am happy, but that oomph! factor, yeah, it is missing.
 
 
 
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Miss Grumpy Pants Elenaamberfocus on November 15th, 2015 06:19 am (UTC)
I did too much eye-rolling while watching this episode. Too many wrong turns made. I am glad that Caroline won't be standing behind big purses and potted plants all season, but I'd like a real explanation on how exactly those babies were transferred.

I don't believe Nora and Mary Louise are actually in love with each other. I think they are together out of habit. I just don't buy them as a couple. (Of course I compare every lesbian couple to Willow and Tara, so...) They just aren't very kind to each other. And I"m getting tired of them.

I think the IV'd folks at the high school are basically the way the vampires are restocking their blood supply. They are on IV's to keep up their nutrition and keep them docile and meanwhile the vamps can tap them for blood whenever necessary. Just my theory.

I don't have a lot of thoughts otherwise. This season just does not feel like my show and I am finding it harder to care. Meanwhile, season 3 is going very well... I had forgotten a bunch of stuff or possibly fell asleep during a lot of the originals storylines.

Edited at 2015-11-15 06:21 am (UTC)
Arabian: Elena16arabian on November 18th, 2015 02:34 pm (UTC)
I did too much eye-rolling while watching this episode. Too many wrong turns made.

I don't get what you're talking about honestly. I didn't have any issues here.

I am glad that Caroline won't be standing behind big purses and potted plants all season, but I'd like a real explanation on how exactly those babies were transferred.

The witches did a spell to transfer the twins into a viable body that could carry the babies to term in order to keep the Gemini coven line going and Caroline's was the only one available. All of the female members of the coven were about to die thanks to Kai. Jo was dying. Damon whisked Elena away right away, I don't remember where Bonnie was bUt I think she was gone already, so Caroline was the only one still there. We were told in season 01 (thank you, Damon) that as long as a vampire gets a steady supply of blood, the vampire body functions just like a human one. So what other explanation do we need? It's supernatural witchcraft. They bring people back from the dead, lock people in alternate universes where the same day repeats and no other human lives, an entire plane of existence was created to house every supernatural creature that was killed and tons of other incredible things have been done all with the explanation of "I did a spell..." And this is the one you need a "real explanation for?"

I don't believe Nora and Mary Louise are actually in love with each other. I think they are together out of habit. I just don't buy them as a couple.

Me neither.

(Of course I compare every lesbian couple to Willow and Tara, so...)

Erm, no comment. LOL! To be fair, I don't think you have to compare them to any lesbian couple (although the one from Sense8 is pretty great) to see how not good they are.

They just aren't very kind to each other. And I"m getting tired of them.

Yeah.

I think the IV'd folks at the high school are basically the way the vampires are restocking their blood supply. They are on IV's to keep up their nutrition and keep them docile and meanwhile the vamps can tap them for blood whenever necessary. Just my theory.

Ooh, good theory.
(Anonymous) on November 15th, 2015 10:02 am (UTC)
Hi,
I hope you're feeling better now.
Loved your review as always. I'm getting the same feeling as you do: Without DE the show is somehow off. It's not bad, but before it was stunning, extraordinary, the best series I've ever watched. Now it somehow just feels mediocre like any other series I would watch, but not religiously (if you know what I mean?).

I, too, liked the Defan in this ep and the Bonenzo (slowly becoming my favourite couple as of now - if you don't count DE, who really don't count as they've been temporarily put on ice). And I also had to cringe when I found out about the Alaric/Caroline, though I think it's not really a romantic thing between them. More like her having his kids which is why they'll be living together to provide the kids with a stable home and parents and after having lived together for the past three years and in the prospect of having to spend another 16 to19 years together or till the kids are old enough so that they will no longer be in need of their parents - then why not marry. It'd surely make things a lot easier for all of them. So I think they are engaged out of commodity rather than out of love. As for your theory of Julian being Damon's father, I do like that scenario, but as Julian is 475 (+150?) years old -which means he had already been a vampire when he met Lily (and by that might even be her sire)- and as we all know vampires (as of now) can't procreate, I don't think that will happen.
But I'm at least intrigued by his story line so far.

Please always keep up your great reviews; even if I'm not always commenting, I'll be sure to read them.
Arabian: Alaric03arabian on November 18th, 2015 02:42 pm (UTC)
I hope you're feeling better now.

I am, thank you.

Loved your review as always. I'm getting the same feeling as you do: Without DE the show is somehow off. It's not bad, but before it was stunning, extraordinary, the best series I've ever watched. Now it somehow just feels mediocre like any other series I would watch, but not religiously (if you know what I mean?).

Welllll, I don't think it's mediocre at all. I still think it's a great show, just missing that oomph that you look forward to watch EVERY SINGLE WEEK! If they can get another lead couple, they can recapture that, which is why I think they are trying to mix things up.

I, too, liked the Defan in this ep and the Bonenzo (slowly becoming my favourite couple as of now - if you don't count DE, who really don't count as they've been temporarily put on ice).

There is potential.

And I also had to cringe when I found out about the Alaric/Caroline, though I think it's not really a romantic thing between them. More like her having his kids which is why they'll be living together to provide the kids with a stable home and parents and after having lived together for the past three years and in the prospect of having to spend another 16 to19 years together or till the kids are old enough so that they will no longer be in need of their parents - then why not marry.

I don't see that. You don't marry just for kids in this day age. Alaric can be a single father fine and Caroline is a relationship-girl. I can see that they did just bond and fall during the pregnancy. It's been a few years since high school, they've barely had any scenes since then (or during then) and I'll see how it plays out.

As for your theory of Julian being Damon's father, I do like that scenario, but as Julian is 475 (+150?) years old -which means he had already been a vampire when he met Lily (and by that might even be her sire)- and as we all know vampires (as of now) can't procreate, I don't think that will happen.

Yeah, you're right. I missed that detail. Duh!

But I'm at least intrigued by his story line so far.

Yes, me too. Good actor.

Please always keep up your great reviews; even if I'm not always commenting, I'll be sure to read them.

Thank you, I appreciate that. :)
Mattghidorah15 on November 15th, 2015 07:30 pm (UTC)
Ugh, illness...always a pain. Don't be too hard on yourself.

Yes, Damon and Elena remain the lead couple, despite Elena being comatose and locked in a coffin right now. I love it, but I do feel her absence. I'm hoping that Nina will be able to return before the season is over - she makes everything better. :)

I don't think Caroline is with Alaric because she's in love with him, even though I joked about him having some game. I think it's for the sake of giving the girls a mother figure, since Jo can't be there - nor can Florence, alas. (Like you, I suspected she was meant to be Florence Nightingale. I find the idea rather amusing. But who was possessing Oscar's body, I wonder?)

Valerie is still the only Heretic I truly like, and I'm not opposed to her and Stefan finding closure - on the contrary, I think they need to work that out. Nora and Mary Louise still bore me and don't come off as a likable couple. As for Beau, however, I thought he was pretty amusing as the silent straight man to Julian's quips and antics.

Julian himself definitely reminds me of the Asshole Known As Giuseppe, and it just figures that Lily can't see it. As for the question of Damon's parentage, I doubt Julian is his father or Stefan's, but I can't say I'd be completely shocked if Lily had an affair that produced one of the brothers. And yes, I shook my head at her acting all indignant, like they had no reason to be furious with her.

I'm not even going to get into my frustration with Stefan for continuing to be such a jerk to Damon, to get it all wrong about him. It's old and tired. But I am glad they're on the same page about Julian now, and Damon is determined to be a good father to his and Elena's kids as a way of flipping off Giuseppe. If anything could enrage the asshole, it'd be that. ;)

I'm definitely warming to Bonnie/Enzo, but I still hope Matt doesn't die. And what the heck is up with those compelled people with the IV bags? Is it the Heretics' doing, or is there another player entering the game? We'll have to wait and see, I suppose.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on November 18th, 2015 02:56 pm (UTC)
Yes, Damon and Elena remain the lead couple, despite Elena being comatose and locked in a coffin right now. I love it, but I do feel her absence. I'm hoping that Nina will be able to return before the season is over - she makes everything better. :)

I will be distraught (DISTRAUGHT! I TELL YA!!) if she doesn't show up at season's end. But I totes expect Elena back and for her and Damon to leave together (since I do think Ian is done after this season).

I don't think Caroline is with Alaric because she's in love with him, even though I joked about him having some game. I think it's for the sake of giving the girls a mother figure, since Jo can't be there - nor can Florence, alas.

I just said above to someone else, I don't think so. You don't marry just for kids in this day age. Alaric can be a single father fine and Caroline is a relationship-girl. I can see that they did just bond and fall during the pregnancy. It's been a few years since high school, they've barely had any scenes since then (or during then) and I'll see how it plays out.

(Like you, I suspected she was meant to be Florence Nightingale. I find the idea rather amusing. But who was possessing Oscar's body, I wonder?)

So amusing, LOL! I wonder if were meant to know, or if it matters about Oscar? (sniff! Oscar!)

Valerie is still the only Heretic I truly like, and I'm not opposed to her and Stefan finding closure - on the contrary, I think they need to work that out.

Yup...

Nora and Mary Louise still bore me and don't come off as a likable couple.

Yeah.

As for Beau, however, I thought he was pretty amusing as the silent straight man to Julian's quips and antics.

True, but we still need MORE! It's been SIX EPISODES!

Julian himself definitely reminds me of the Asshole Known As Giuseppe, and it just figures that Lily can't see it.

HORRIBLE judge of character. (And horrible person, but, yeah, of course.)

As for the question of Damon's parentage, I doubt Julian is his father or Stefan's, but I can't say I'd be completely shocked if Lily had an affair that produced one of the brothers.

I forgot that Julian's too old of a vampire, but yeah, wondering if that's going to open the door to an affair revealing Damon is the result of an affair.

And yes, I shook my head at her acting all indignant, like they had no reason to be furious with her.

Pffft!

I'm not even going to get into my frustration with Stefan for continuing to be such a jerk to Damon, to get it all wrong about him. It's old and tired.</i>

But so Stefan. I just remind myself where Stefan was in season 01 and how in complete denial he was. He has come very far. And a LOT of his Damon issues are wrapped in his own self-issues that he can't quite see yet. I do expect Ian gone after this season, but I would love for Paul to stick around because I think there is so much more of a journey for Stefan still. Damon's pretty much there. He really is.

I'm definitely warming to Bonnie/Enzo, but I still hope Matt doesn't die.

YES!!

And what the heck is up with those compelled people with the IV bags? Is it the Heretics' doing

amberfocus had a great theory above that it's basically the Heretics blood bank.

or is there another player entering the game?

Oh, boy!
jairem08jairem08 on November 16th, 2015 10:04 am (UTC)
I really cannot wait to watch. Though I'm pretty sure I will miss DE and Elena.
I'm so happy they are going strong even in Elena's absence. At least I gather that from your reviews. I hope that will remain so.
Since I haven't watch I cannot really form any opinions on the new characters and story lines. However - what??? Caroline and Ric? That is awkward? I wonder if there is more behind that. I'm certainly happy I do not go crazy over them like I do over DE.
Seems Stefan had more important love interests in his life than we anticipated? We always thought it was Katherine and then Elena. Looking back it is so clear that SE were never It and never meant to be. They were just a step up before DE the true love story. I wouldn't certainly not want to be hard SE shipper. That all has been shattered. And you are right way before season 4. There was no triangle back there anymore.
Cannot so far imagine Bonnie/Enzo chemistry. We always sort of saw Caroline/Enzo. But Bonnie and him never crossed my mind. Interesting.
And what is this Stefan bashing Damon I'm reading about? Why would he? Still? Really?
Damon needs all the brotherly love and TLC that he can get. His heart is broken and he is in agony waiting for his girls. I hope he sees her soon again. Really hope so.
Thank you for the post as always. The only one I follow. And I haven't even seen any episode yet. Need to find a way. For now you are my guide.
Arabian: Damon18arabian on November 18th, 2015 03:04 pm (UTC)
I really cannot wait to watch. Though I'm pretty sure I will miss DE and Elena.

You will; I can not lie.

I'm so happy they are going strong even in Elena's absence. At least I gather that from your reviews. I hope that will remain so.

Oh, totes!

Since I haven't watch I cannot really form any opinions on the new characters and story lines. However - what??? Caroline and Ric? That is awkward? I wonder if there is more behind that. I'm certainly happy I do not go crazy over them like I do over DE.

We haven't seen anything yet. We just found out that she IS carrying the twins. The Gemini Coven put the twins in her when Jo died in order to preserve the Gemini line. And we found out that three years from now, Alaric and Caroline are engaged. We've seen no present-day interaction between them since they found out about the babies though.

Seems Stefan had more important love interests in his life than we anticipated? We always thought it was Katherine and then Elena. Looking back it is so clear that SE were never It and never meant to be. They were just a step up before DE the true love story.

Have I mentioned lately how much I LOVE Caroline Dries?!!? LOL!

And you are right way before season 4. There was no triangle back there anymore.

Yup, the first 5 eps of season 04 were just providing closure and proof that S/E were done!

Cannot so far imagine Bonnie/Enzo chemistry. We always sort of saw Caroline/Enzo. But Bonnie and him never crossed my mind. Interesting.

I think they have more chemistry than Caroline and Enzo. C/E were just flirting really.

And what is this Stefan bashing Damon I'm reading about? Why would he? Still? Really?

Not bashing, just Stefan once again expecting a negative reaction from Damon when he shouldn't have, but it comes partly from Stefan's own deep-seated issues, I know.

Damon needs all the brotherly love and TLC that he can get. His heart is broken and he is in agony

Nah, he's not acting that way. He's cracking jokes, making quips, he's annoying Stefan, saying he's going to turn over a new leaf while continuing to be pretty much a dick to everyone. Typical Damon. I love him! Yes, he misses Elena, but he's keeping that pain locked away for the most part. He's not advertising his pain. It's only when he gets hit with a new reminder that we see the reminder of how devastated he is, and it's not like he has a big audience.

Thank you for the post as always. The only one I follow. And I haven't even seen any episode yet. Need to find a way. For now you are my guide.

I'll try and think of that in the future and be more clear for your sake. :)
tj2013tj2013 on November 16th, 2015 01:36 pm (UTC)
I liked the episode, as I enjoy the season so far, but you're right, the heat/buzz whatever you call it is missing.

Maybe you're right with your suspicion about Julian and Damon, but I really don't want Julian to be Damon's father. He doesn't deserve such a son. Giuseppe didn't either. But still...

Ha - Florence Nightingale! Great idea. I really hope Alaric can find closure now and go on with his life.

I never thought I'd say that, but I wouldn't mind Stefan and Valerie to come closer again. I kinda like her. Question is: is she now one of the "good" ones? Or is she playing Stefan?

Geez, Stefan... I was shaking my head when he tried to attack Julian. Julian is about 400 years older than him and thus waaaaaaay stronger.

Nice parallel to 3x14, when Stefan took out Damon to carry out Elena's plan.

Bonnie and Enzo? Could work for me.

Agreed: Damon shaking Lily's unmentionables in his own bedroom was hysterical. Loved it.

And I loved the two brothers talking it out.

Thanks for the great write-up, as always.
Take care.
Arabian: Damon&Stefan01arabian on November 18th, 2015 02:36 pm (UTC)
I liked the episode, as I enjoy the season so far, but you're right, the heat/buzz whatever you call it is missing.

Yeah. :(

Maybe you're right with your suspicion about Julian and Damon, but I really don't want Julian to be Damon's father. He doesn't deserve such a son. Giuseppe didn't either. But still...

Apparently Julian's a lot older than I thought so I must be wrong. Hmmmm.

Ha - Florence Nightingale! Great idea. I really hope Alaric can find closure now and go on with his life.

Me too. Yeah, I thought the idea was funny, hee.

I never thought I'd say that, but I wouldn't mind Stefan and Valerie to come closer again. I kinda like her. Question is: is she now one of the "good" ones? Or is she playing Stefan?

I don't think she's playing Stefan. I don't.

Geez, Stefan... I was shaking my head when he tried to attack Julian. Julian is about 400 years older than him and thus waaaaaaay stronger.

See, that much older, he can't be Damon's dad.

Nice parallel to 3x14, when Stefan took out Damon to carry out Elena's plan.

Caroline Dries wrote both episodes.

Bonnie and Enzo? Could work for me.

I liked the tie-fixing scene.

Agreed: Damon shaking Lily's unmentionables in his own bedroom was hysterical. Loved it.

So funny!

And I loved the two brothers talking it out.

So perfect!
ThroughAnAmberFocus: Vampire Diaries--Caroline pensiveamberfocus on November 18th, 2015 11:31 pm (UTC)
If Julian is Lily's sire, maybe she is Sired, like Tyler was to Klaus (guess what part of season 3 I'm in now), and that is why she can't see things clearly when it comes to him and why she is so devoted to Julian and thinks he's the moon and the stars while Valerie thinks he is the very devil himself and does seem to be more evil than good.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on November 23rd, 2015 03:33 pm (UTC)
Well, she turned against him pretty quickly after this last episode... but ghidorah15 think it's possible she doesn't mean it. If that's the case, maybe you're totally right. Hmmm....
Bogwitchbogwitch on November 25th, 2015 07:48 pm (UTC)
>>The Vampire Diaries doesn't have a lead couple together on screen right now. That's a problem.

Agreed, though I am not sure anyone else is going to be able to come up to the plate, even with Bonnie and that’s not down to the quality of any of the actors. I suppose we will have to see. I do feel that Damon has been pushed back a bit, he seems less forward in the storylines now and therefore goes the oomph.

Alaric and Caroline are just... no, no, no. Gross as you say. I have never liked Alaric/Elena fics for the same reason and there would be some basis for that couple. I swear this season is an exercise in winding the audience up subverting the audiences’ expectations.

>>I do wish they’d introduced the idea of them differently because I thought their chemistry in this episode was a lot more intriguing without the forced set-up from knowing “Three Years From Now."

Then they would have lost all the shock value!

>> So who hurt Caroline and who is after Stefan? Dundundundun...
I think I know (in a broad sense – I am a lot less spoiled this year, but I still know a thing or two).

>> Beau remains a complete cipher.
I suspect Beau is key to the storyline with whoever is after Stefan. I hope so, because it is going to be pretty poor if he just fades into the background.

Not that it will help the show or your posts any, but it might cheer you up a little in a general sense - I know of two people at work that have become addicted to TVD over the past couple of months or so watching on Netflix from the beginning (one of them even watched the whole lot on her phone. I can’t even imagine!). They both fell for Damon, of course.
Arabian: Damon14arabian on March 3rd, 2016 01:56 pm (UTC)
I do feel that Damon has been pushed back a bit, he seems less forward in the storylines now and therefore goes the oomph.

Boy, did that change after 7.08, huh? It's been a non-stop Damon-fest! Yay-boy!

Alaric and Caroline are just... no, no, no. Gross as you say.

It's interesting, because obviously I felt this way as well then. Now I'm not saying I *want* them together, but the show has done a good job of making them palatable as a believable 'settling, stable' couple for the children. And that's totally how they are coming across.

I have never liked Alaric/Elena fics for the same reason and there would be some basis for that couple.

Oh, I disagree that there is ANY basis. I have never seen ANYTHING but father/daughter vibes at all between those two.

I swear this season is an exercise in winding the audience up subverting the audiences’ expectations.

I don't know, other than Caroline/Alaric--and it's making sense now, I don't see where they are doing so.

>>I do wish they’d introduced the idea of them differently because I thought their chemistry in this episode was a lot more intriguing without the forced set-up from knowing “Three Years From Now."

Then they would have lost all the shock value!


Again, I have to go back to--I need to trust my show. I'm going back to... these aren't supposed to be *the* couples so it doesn't matter that we didn't see them get together.

>> So who hurt Caroline and who is after Stefan? Dundundundun...
I think I know (in a broad sense – I am a lot less spoiled this year, but I still know a thing or two).


Well, I know now, LOL!

>> Beau remains a complete cipher.
I suspect Beau is key to the storyline with whoever is after Stefan. I hope so, because it is going to be pretty poor if he just fades into the background.


You were right, but he still faded into the background, LOL!

Not that it will help the show or your posts any, but it might cheer you up a little in a general sense - I know of two people at work that have become addicted to TVD over the past couple of months or so watching on Netflix from the beginning (one of them even watched the whole lot on her phone. I can’t even imagine!). They both fell for Damon, of course.

Aww, that does cheer me up. Yay! And YAY (and, of course) for Damon! WHEE!
Bogwitchbogwitch on March 3rd, 2016 11:37 pm (UTC)
>>I have never seen ANYTHING but father/daughter vibes at all between those two.

100% agreed. When I said there was a basis for it, I didn't mean there was an attraction there, it's definitely father/daughter or similar , just there was an established affectionate relationship between them that could have developed. That doesn't make it any less icky or any more likely.

>>>I suspect Beau is key to the storyline with whoever is after Stefan.
>>You were right, but he still faded into the background, LOL!

I think you are being a bit generous there. :) He was hardly critical in the end.
Arabian: Elena16arabian on April 30th, 2016 02:48 pm (UTC)
>>I have never seen ANYTHING but father/daughter vibes at all between those two.

100% agreed. When I said there was a basis for it, I didn't mean there was an attraction there, it's definitely father/daughter or similar , just there was an established affectionate relationship between them that could have developed. That doesn't make it any less icky or any more likely.


Yeah, no, even there I don't see it because to me that is like saying that you could develop something from a relationship between a father and daughter. Nope, nope, nope. Need brain bleach. YUCK!

>>>I suspect Beau is key to the storyline with whoever is after Stefan.
>>You were right, but he still faded into the background, LOL!

I think you are being a bit generous there. :) He was hardly critical in the end.


OK, fine. LOL!
Bogwitchbogwitch on April 30th, 2016 02:54 pm (UTC)
I see where you are coming from, but ultimately they aren't father and daughter however the relationship might seem.
Arabian: Dr Who (9) - WTFarabian on April 30th, 2016 08:32 pm (UTC)
I know, but gross, yuck, blech!!!!
(Anonymous) on February 12th, 2017 03:08 pm (UTC)
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”So The Vampire Diaries doesn't have a lead couple together on screen right now. That's a problem.” - This is a spot-on analysis. Unfortunately, I don't think there was a solution to this problem. Probably that's why S8 was decided to be the last. As much as I agree that Bonnie and Enzo could possibly step up and drive a more elaborate storyline, I don't think there was ever even a remote chance for them to become a lead couple. This place will forever belong to Damon and Elena. Other couples could be more or less engaging, but they usually worked this way or another anyway, because they didn't have to carry the story. That's why romantic love wasn't in the spotlight throughout S7. At least that was my impression. And maybe it would've work if it wasn't TVD we're talking about. Too many seasons were all about love that changing the angle now was a rather brave choice. And it's really no one's fault it didn't quite work out. I mean, S7 was still awesome overall, but there was something missing, and while in terms of the series-long storyline that something missing was actually made into an advantage, it just couldn't change into the story of its own. And I think the writers also understood it at some point and that's why they decided to bring the show to its close.

”The character of Caroline Forbes was written and conceived as a supporting character and it shows. It doesn't matter how much screen time she has.” - I was struggling with this all season lol Thank you for making me feel less guilty about feeling that way ;) I made my peace with Caroline, but I thought that maybe I was just missing Elena too much or something and that's why I couldn't start seeing Caroline as a lead. But I guess it wasn't it.

”I suppose it could work depending on how they write it and how the chemistry and all that is, but... the whole 'she was a junior, he was her teacher when they met' thing kinda is an issue for me.” - I totally understand and agree and I was calling them a crack couple in my head long before I started watching S7 lol But then I actually watched it, and I know we don't get to that in a while, but in my opinion the writers solved the problem that the idea of this relationship was quite beautifully.

”And I miss hearing from so many people in the past who loved the show with me.” ♥ waves ♥

”You honestly think that Damon is going to be making a glib comment about you losing a child once upon a time?” - This honestly confuses me every time, because when EVER Damon ACTUALLY exhibited any insensitivity toward Stefan's suffering??? Or am I forgetting something? Because I can't recall.

”And, yeah, you all know where I’m going with this. Uh huh.” - Yeah, I totally fell for that rumor when I heard it haha But I guess it's best it didn't turn out to be true.

”Can I just say how much I love that Damon has turned his daddy issues into a positive and it is the *one* thing he has decided to not have self-esteem issues about and he’s going to be a good father.” - Do you think Julie has it in her to give us a Damon as a dad scene? I was thinking about it when we got Stefan and his son dream sequence. If a secondary characters gets a dream scene then the leading character *should* get a real one, right? Lol

”The talk of Damon remembering him and Elena playing their ‘five years from now’ game (thank goodness it wasn’t ‘three years from now’ right?!” - And now I'm thinking that maybe just maybe it will really happen, “the five years from now” thing, I mean. I don't think they're going to do a 50-year time jump in S8, and Elena *must* wake up by the end of the series, so...

”OK, did anyone else have a thought of... hahahah! Is The Vampire Diaries implying that Florence Nightingale was a vampire and that is the vampire soul that jumped into Jo's body or just me?” - Well, I prefer to think that I got a personal shout-out... of sorts ;D But your idea is really fun! Heh. I haven't thought of that. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right.

I have a loooong week ahead of me, but will be back with more comments on the 20th :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena01arabian on February 14th, 2017 09:12 pm (UTC)
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Ugh, I wish you would get an lj account, at least just for these!!! You'd know when I wrote you back, you could go to the BSentries site, you could use icons! :(

”So The Vampire Diaries doesn't have a lead couple together on screen right now.” - This is a spot-on analysis. Unfortunately, I don't think there was a solution to this problem. Probably that's why S8 was decided to be the last.

Actually, I think they decided s8 was going to be its last when Ian Somerhalder announced to everyone that s8 was going to be HIS last. Kat Graham had mentioned it a month or so before and it was like, oh, OK. And Then Ian announced at a convention that s8 was the last season, people were all like TVD is ending, OMG! So he clarified on twitter that he meant S8 was HIS last season. And then less than a week later, it was officially announced that s8 was the last. So, yeah, Ian was the reason!

As much as I agree that Bonnie and Enzo could possibly step up and drive a more elaborate storyline

Erm, no comment.

And it's really no one's fault it didn't quite work out. I mean, S7 was still awesome overall, but there was something missing.

Yeah.

And I think the writers also understood it at some point and that's why they decided to bring the show to its close.

Again... nope, it was all Ian deciding he was done. LOL! TVD doesn't get the ratings it used to get, but it still does better than more than half the shows on the network, and only The Flash does better (and not always) in the Live+7Day ratings.

RE: Caroline -- Thank you for making me feel less guilty about feeling that way ;) I made my peace with Caroline, but I thought that maybe I was just missing Elena too much or something and that's why I couldn't start seeing Caroline as a lead. But I guess it wasn't it.

Nah, Caroline is awesome. Candice is awesome... but the character was conceived and always shall be supporting.

I know we don't get to that in a while, but in my opinion the writers solved the problem that the idea of this relationship was quite beautifully.

You'll see that I felt the same way for the most part. (Remember I wrote these as the episodes aired, LOL! You're reading these with hindsight of the whole season!)

This honestly confuses me every time, because when EVER Damon ACTUALLY exhibited any insensitivity toward Stefan's suffering? Or am I forgetting something?

Erm... a lot. I know that some people scoffed at Stefan's no-human diet, but this was genuinely how he felt he had to live to make things and that is HARD on a vampire, but he does it to keep from hurting others. Damon mocked him mercilessly A LOT! In s01, when Stefan first drank Elena's blood, and Damon found out--before he realized how bad it was--the VERY FIRST THING HE DID was mockingly leave human blood in a glass then taunt Stefan with it as he walked out of the room. Damon has mocked Stefan showing concern for people that he's hurt. It's after the son bit, but Damon basically spent those 2 weeks post-Lily's death (looking for Julian) mocking Stefan for caring about her death and being a momma's boy. I'm not saying that Stefan is a saint, but considering that so many things Stefan felt were super-important that Damon mocked, I can understand why Stefan would be wary... especially because with Elena gone, Damon had slid back more into his season 01 attitude.

Re: Julian as Damon's daddy -- Yeah, I totally fell for that rumor when I heard it haha But I guess it's best it didn't turn out to be true.

I didn't know there were rumors about it, but I'm not surprised at all. Oh, well.

Do you think Julie has it in her to give us a Damon as a dad scene? I was thinking about it when we got Stefan and his son dream sequence. If a secondary characters gets a dream scene then the leading character *should* get a real one, right? Lol

Well, firstly I would NOT consider Stefan a secondary character. He's a lead character, if not THE lead character. As for Damon, well, we'll see. We could do a flashforward a handful of years in the final episode, maybe.

And now I'm thinking that maybe just maybe it will really happen, “the five years from now” thing, I mean.

Yup, exactly.
(Anonymous) on February 20th, 2017 09:40 am (UTC)
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I know :[ I should really set up a secret account just for you or something lol We'll see.

That's interesting to know. I never thought it was actually because of Ian's decision. Although it makes sense. He of all people would know that Damon wouldn't survive more than two seasons without Elena ;)

“I'm not saying that Stefan is a saint, but considering that so many things Stefan felt were super-important that Damon mocked, I can understand why Stefan would be wary” - OH. Lol OK, yes, you're right. I have this selective memory problem when it comes to some things/people, I guess ;) You have a point.

”We could do a flashforward a handful of years in the final episode, maybe.” - I guess it depends if some people will be moving on to The Originals, although from what I've heard it's not certain TO will get renewed for next season, so perhaps that's an irrelevant consideration anyway.
Arabian: Damon & Elena09arabian on February 24th, 2017 05:50 pm (UTC)
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I know :[ I should really set up a secret account just for you or something lol We'll see.

You REALLY should!!! :D

That's interesting to know. I never thought it was actually because of Ian's decision. Although it makes sense. He of all people would know that Damon wouldn't survive more than two seasons without Elena ;)

Hah, I wish it was that shipper-y. But I think he was just done. I actually think he was done after s7, but they offered him and Paul sweetheart deals to stick around for s8. I think it may have been shortened as part of that deal (I've heard nothing that confirms that, but I think it's very possible). And both he and Paul have "producer" credits starting s08 (if you didn't notice).

“I'm not saying that Stefan is a saint, but considering that so many things Stefan felt were super-important that Damon mocked, I can understand why Stefan would be wary” - OH. Lol OK, yes, you're right. I have this selective memory problem when it comes to some things/people, I guess ;) You have a point.

I have to admit, I REALLY don't get why you're so down on Stefan after s7. Like I said in a later comment. His love for Damon was just SO prevalent that season. I loved it. Did he do some shitty things, still? Yes. But Damon did as well, and quite worse actually.

”We could do a flashforward a handful of years in the final episode, maybe.” - I guess it depends if some people will be moving on to The Originals, although from what I've heard it's not certain TO will get renewed for next season, so perhaps that's an irrelevant consideration anyway.

Well, if they do a flashforward to five years (per Elena and Damon's conversation), the flashforward wouldn't effect TO. That is 2 years ahead of TVD right now so come this new season that will start when TVD ends (SOBS!), it is 2 years from where TVD is now. And if the show is renewed (which it very well may be--it hasn't aired yet, and if the ratings are OK, it likely will be) they can easily bring characters from TVD over tO TO without it messing up that flashforward since it would be a flashback in TO's timeline.