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18 October 2015 @ 08:35 am
7.02 - 'Never Let Me Go' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I apologize for the delay, but I have a good excuse—two in fact. My car was hit on Friday morning, and Saturday morning (from 10 am to 12:30 pm) I had to take my eldest kitty to the vet (and most of you reading this know that I'm normally sleeping around that time). So needless to say, yeah, doing the episode write-up was just not high up on my priority list. My car will be fine, minor damage, and more importantly, my darling Doyle is going to be fine.

Now, know this, my lack of a post thus far has nothing to do with my thoughts on the episode. Other than two slight issues I really liked this episode. One was character based, but it was 100% *in* character and so it didn't bother me at all but rather amused me in an annoyed way (so you know that means it was my Stefan-boo). The other was a writing issue, but hey Brian Young wrote the episode all on his own lonesome, what can ya expect? The fact that I only had one teeny issue is pretty durn impressive considering this was a solo outing. I think (after SEVEN WHOLE FREAKING YEARS!) he's finally picking up better writing techniques from those he's been working with regularly. Seriously because overall I really, really liked this episode. I thought it was great. So I'll just get those two quibbles out of the way first.

My Young issue was the whole Bonnie randomly collapsing when Alaric picked up the stone-thingy (whatever magical, mystical name—I'll eventually pick up on it, we all know they'll say it a million times before the season's over) thus leaving only FIVE SECONDS to Bring. Matt. Back. Before the six minutes was up. Puhleeze. I expect better from this show. And I usually get it. Like 95% of the time. But, you know, Brian Young. As soon as Bonnie told Matt that he would be fine heart-beating-less for up to six minutes, I rolled my eyes and thought: 'Really, show? Who are you and what have you done with my TVD?' At this point I didn't know who had written the episode. Uh huh. It was just predictable manufactured suspense that meant NOTHING.

We knew as soon as she said that that *something* was going to happen that would keep her from bringing Matt back after the 10-second mark and cutting it close to the 6-minute mark. We also knew that she *would* manage to bring him back *before* we hit the 6-minute mark (sorry, bogwitch. It was stupid. And even more so because it made no sense. Bonnie had held the rock thingie before and had NOT fainted. Ric had held it before and it had not effected Bonnie. Later when he held it, put it on the corpse and it brought dead guy to life briefly, did Bonnie collapse then? Uhm, no. Why? Because, right, there was no one's heart that conveniently needed to magically be restarted by Bonnie then. So stupid. Very disappoint, show. Or rather, Brian Young. But, alas, very unsurprised. And also? Totally unnecessary. Such a cheap attempt at suspense that no doubt failed miserably for anybody watching who has any brain cells that work. You're not gonna kill the only non-supernatural original cast member in the freaking second episode of the season in a non-sweeps month. Especially without not trying to hype up a “Big Death." Pfft.

Yes, yes, they're trying to hype of Matt's anger at Damon and the supernatural entities—albeit misplaced—to lead to Bonnie's confession. However, there were other ways to do that. And… another however… I have to hope that all of this is leading to do hopeful eventualities. Since Bonnie told Matt that she wants him to start fighting and he appeared to agree, I'm assuming the unspoken there was ‘fight with me.' And as we know from last week, and their phone call, with Bonnie is Damon.

What I'm hoping is that this is leading to not only Damon and Matt on the same side (please, please, please!!), but also my growing desire for Matt and Bonnie because it's starting to make some kind of symmetrical sense. They've been there from the beginning. They've been on both sides, hating the vampires, fighting against them, for them, back and forth, torn, so they can understand each other. In other words, Bonnie can see his point of view in a way that no one else can. Bonnie and Matt can also understand their love for Elena, Caroline and Jeremy and the others in a way that no one else can.

Also, they are humans, who have died and have come back from death. And right now, they're the only humans. Yes, Bonnie's a witch, but she has a human lifespan (unless she cheats, but that's using dark magic, and she wouldn't do that). And they've felt orphaned most of their lives in a way that the others haven't even if they technically have parents still around right now. So there's a lot there and I'm really wondering if something is going to be explored. I'd like to see it.

OK, now that I moved on from that one writing issue to wax poetic about the idea of Bonnie and Matt, let me move onto my other issue, which as I said wasn't a show-issue, but an ‘Oh, Stefan, my boo, why you gotta be such an asshole?' Cuz really, he so was to Damon, wasn't he? I mean, how does he not really get how utterly sucktastic his “deal" with Lily and her little Band of Merry Heretics is? There is no win for Stefan and the town in that deal. Lily and her brood get the Salvatore boarding house. Lily and her brood get Mystic Falls and any human who happens to wander into the town limits is open season for the vamp/witches.

Stefan, Caroline, Damon and Matt (the apparent sole residents of Mystic Falls now aside from Lily & Co. since the rest of the entire town was EVACUATED—everyone else who lived there had to leave their homes, lose their jobs, relocate, etc.) get to, uhm, not be killed? That is the freaking deal. It. Is. Terrible! They get nothing from it. Even Elena's deal where Klaus kills her and Jenna died was better. Yeah, that's how bad the deal Stefan made with mom and adoptees is—Elena's suicidal deal with Klaus that got Aunt Jenna turned and killed was better! An Elena deal was the better one!

And here's Stefan being all snotty to Damon because Damon fought back. Because Damon wasn't sitting back and resting on Stefan's stupid-ass laurels on a (very, very, did I mention VERY badly-made) deal made with mama. Did Caroline pay the price a bit? Yeah. Is Elena now paying the price? Yeah. Is Damon being a snotty, whiny-ass dickhead to Stefan as Stefan was to him? No. Because Damon is not an asshole (cough*cough* Stefan *cough*cough). No, Damon has his emotional breakdown because first, yeah, he made a deal with Lily too, but wait—once he gets over his emotional breakdown because Elena is the love of his life. He stops and he thinks. He uses his brain. Because Damon is smart. He puts things together. He comes up with a plan. And, thank God, Stefan actually stops being a snotty asswipe and goes back to being the boo I love instead of the fool I love despite his assiness. He listens; he realizes that Damon is the smart (and better-looking) brother.

That's my boo, Stefan. Erm, apparently, he's not only my Boo. Or Caroline's. Or Elena's once upon a time. Or Ivy's. Or Katherine's. Or Rebekah's. But also… well, Valerie's. Well, well, well. Wasn't that a surprise!? And so perfectly played. Well done, show! (Kudos, Mr. Young.) When Mary Louise was being so nasty to Caroline and then Valerie came in and appeared to help her, it was believable because we'd seen so little of any of the Heretics so far. And what we'd seen of Mary Louise and Nora honestly hadn't shown either of them in the best light, not to mention the fact that, well, Mary Louise *had* been torturing Caroline.

But the reveal… ooh, the reveal that not only was Valerie the worst of all made perfect sense when taking into account her overall angry demeanor, her diary entries which had done nothing but drip condescension. However because of the slight humor in those same entries, because of her somewhat dour attitude played against the somewhat more vapidly bitchiness of Mary Louise and Nora it was easy to believe that she was the least “evil" of the three. So that was fabulous and then even better finding out that the reason she made Caroline's skin vervained-to-the-touch not to protect her from Mary Louise but so that Stefan couldn't touch her.

Because of course she's still hot for Stefan. Of course. It's Stefan. So, so well done…. I truly love the intricate revealing of information on this show and how it continues to build connections so superbly. I just love it so much.

You know what else I love? That Elena's presence continues to so fully be immersed within every thread of the show's narrative. This is what I believed would happen… and it is *exactly* what is happening. And the fact that Elena is his moral compass, but more importantly, that she is his love, his heart, is so very much *at* the heart of who Damon Salvatore is. It's just beautiful to watch. I am so sorry for any Damon/Elena fan that chose to no longer watch the show because they believed that Damon and Elena were “finished" at the end of last season. How very, very wrong they were. Elena Gilbert is as much a part of Damon Salvatore and his story as she ever was. Just because we don't see her on the screen does not mean she is not there. She is; she most definitely is.

As for someone whose presence is there on screen, well, there's Miss Caroline Forbes… and well, looks like this season is carrying on as the others have, huh? I mean, we were going full-on Caroline torture porn from just about beginning to end there. Poor thing. Oh, Caroline. Elena was kidnapped a lot, but not tortured very often (you know, except by the Salvatore Brothers, ahem). Caroline? Kidnapped, tortured… on the regular.

So, when we saw her “three years from now," at the beginning I thought that I was wrong in my guess that it was her chasing Stefan and trying to kill him like I was thinking after the last episode. But then after the final scene, I think it might still be a possibility. She's clearly very, very upset with Stefan—who's *not* her fiancé! Yeah, that was so obvious, again with the no-name-mention, coincidence?—and she was so-not-fatally-staked at the end there.

So… she could either have been compelled, witch-voodoo'd (who knows what these Heretics can do) or turned her switch off after she's so-not-fatally-staked “three years from now." And then she goes on the hunt for Stefan. It's possible. Or it could be Valerie that Stefan was talking about, and they just said “she" because they didn't want any suspicions for the Valerie-reveal this week. Hmm…. We'll see.

OK, randoms ….

- Aww, Caroline's in TV journalism! Way back on career day in season 01, episode 10 ("The Turning Point") she told her mom that it's what she wanted a career in. Nice continuity!

 

- But, hmm, so what's up with Stefan and Caroline? Oh, heck, I'm not even remotely gonna guess. We'll find out.

- OMG! Nora's funeral outfit was hilarious. Can anyone blame Caroline? I laughed when she walked out.

- Gawd, Alaric! I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU AND JO AT ALL! The show seriously needs to kill this whole Jo-association because it's making everything Alaric-related continue to be a drain. I want Alaric Saltzman, snarky badass/vampire hunter/vampire-best friend/bar-drinking buddy back, not this podperson who exists only to revolve around a character NO ONE CARES ABOUT!

- When Damon told Lily "she's not a toy soldier" about Elena, he damn near broke my heart. He loves her so much. If anyone watching this show actually thinks that Damon Salvatore is moving on from this woman and is going to fall for anyone else anytime soon, they are living in a parallel universe and watching another version of this show.

- Speaking of this moment, of that scene, of that whole situation… OH. MY. GOD. Lily Salvatore is the ACTUAL WORST! You guys, I hate her! So much.

     

- Oh, oh, oh and again, speaking about Lily (AAAHHH! FLAMES!). I don't know I feel about Enzo and Lily. I am not entirely comfortable with this because she is evil and must die painfully. By Damon's hand. But that will make Enzo upset. And I really like Enzo now. And I want Damon and Enzo and Alaric to go on an awesome road trip together. But that won't happen because of the ACTUAL WORST that is Lily!

FLAMES… ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE!!

- On the other hand, I really like the other three female Heretics. They're all interesting characters so far. They're different. And while I hated that they took Elena and how much it hurt my beautiful Damon (seriously, let me be shallow here… so, so beautiful!), all of them describing all that Malcolm had done for them was so good. It was a lovely way of humanizing these characters (other than Lily who is beyond being humanized—damnit, Damon and Stefan *are* her flesh and blood and how she treats them and has denounced them is beyond words) as they humanized Malcolm. And Beau does intrigue me.

- Speaking of shallow, Bonnie looked really pretty.

- I know I mentioned the Bonnie/Matt scenes above, but I want to give another shout-out to their final scene in the car because I really, really liked it. Especially when Matt was talking about how he drives around the town and how he used to see people and now he wishes that he didn't, and his voice was all choked up and he was teary-eyed. And *that* is why I loved Matt. He's not bitter and vengeful because he's become hard and uncaring; it's because he still does care so very much. It's because his heart is still so very much full of love and because he wants this town that he grew up to once more be a peaceful, thriving community. That is what he's fighting for inside and that is where the bitterness comes from. And he just feels like he's fighting alone now. Hopefully with Bonnie by his side (and please, please, please with Damon too), he'll start to let hope bloom within him again.

Phew! So sorry this was late, but yeah, real life be interfering. Great episode, but for the one teensy. As long as Elena and Damon/Elena continue being treated with respect (which is totes happening and I expect to continue), I have no doubt that this season will continue the awesome this show has delivered all along. It's only two episodes in, but I'm loving it.
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on October 18th, 2015 02:54 pm (UTC)
Great analysis, as usual, thank you! And thanks for pointing out Brian Young, I had missed that particular piece of information.

Gosh, I hate Lily. Really - what she did (and does) to her sons is just unbearable. Ok, I know, she was a ripper and turned off her emotions and never had contact with her sons after that, but what she did with Damon here was... Gah, I hate her. She is downright evil.

I am slightly unclear on how the house-deed-swap worked. Didn't Elena own it last? She's not dead, so how could Lily do this? And now the cleaning woman owns it? Huh??? Can you help me out here?

Very curious about the forward flashes and the x-marked scars.

Agree about the unnecessary suspense with Matt nearly dying. I didn't believe it for a second. It was more for his reaction, as you already said.

Now Elena has to be rescued - again. No rest for the sleeping, I guess. LOL. But since the Heretics are stealing "bodies" - can't one of them please steal Jo's body and put it somewhere no one finds it anymorre? Pretty please?

And then give us Alaric back. The real Alaric.

The dress Nora took out of Elena's closet was not typical Elena. I'm not sure Elena would have worn that one. Or did she?

I so hope Enzo is playing Lily. Because wasn't he so in love with the one from season 5, when he was imprisoned in Whitmore??? And I think it's weird, them as a couple. For me they are way more mother and son. Enzo in love with Lily? Please show, no!

Oh, nearly forgot: yes, great Damon gif! And I hope you and your car and your cat are ok. Take care.


Edited at 2015-10-18 02:56 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on October 22nd, 2015 09:07 am (UTC)
Gosh, I hate Lily. Really - what she did (and does) to her sons is just unbearable. Ok, I know, she was a ripper and turned off her emotions and never had contact with her sons after that, but what she did with Damon here was... Gah, I hate her. She is downright evil.

Yup, turning on her sons, her flesh and blood, as she's done and hurting their hearts as she's done is just beyond the pale. Flames, I tell ya!

I am slightly unclear on how the house-deed-swap worked. Didn't Elena own it last? She's not dead, so how could Lily do this? And now the cleaning woman owns it? Huh??? Can you help me out here?

When Elena died the first time, she lost the house and they never re-signed it back over to her so no human has owned it for a while. Then when they knocked Matt out at the start of the episode, they drained the vervain out of his system and had him sign the deed knowing that the Salvatores wouldn't kill THIS human and, of course, they were right. They didn't realize that witchy-woo Bonnie had a trick of her own up her sleeve. So when that happened they had their human maid sign the deed to the house and basically compelled her to do what they wanted and invite whomever they wanted in or out.

Now Elena has to be rescued - again. No rest for the sleeping, I guess. LOL. But since the Heretics are stealing "bodies" - can't one of them please steal Jo's body and put it somewhere no one finds it anymorre? Pretty please?

Ditto x2.

And then give us Alaric back. The real Alaric.

x3.

The dress Nora took out of Elena's closet was not typical Elena. I'm not sure Elena would have worn that one. Or did she?

Nah, Elena wore some short dresses/skirts now and then. Or (more likely, LOL!) it was a dress that Katherine got when she was 'Elena.'

I so hope Enzo is playing Lily.

emofordino had a theory that Enzo and Alaric are working together. I doubt it, cuz, you know, Pod!Alaric, but 'twould be lovely.

Because wasn't he so in love with the one from season 5, when he was imprisoned in Whitmore???

He wasn't in love with her anymore, just still grateful for the memory that there was someone out there that he had loved.

And I think it's weird, them as a couple. For me they are way more mother and son. Enzo in love with Lily? Please show, no!

Yeah.

And I hope you and your car and your cat are ok. Take care.

Thanks. :)
tj2013tj2013 on October 29th, 2015 06:54 am (UTC)
Thanks for explaning the house-swap thing. Now it does make sense.
Arabian: Damon17arabian on November 2nd, 2015 07:50 am (UTC)
No problem. I know it can get confusing, LOL!
Emilyemofordino on October 18th, 2015 03:16 pm (UTC)
as usual, i completely agree with you on all points! i think it would be really interesting for matt and bonnie to eventually get together, honestly-- i hadn't actually considered it until you brought it up, but it makes a lot of sense!

i don't have much else to add since you pretty much said it all, but my friend and i do have a theory that enzo and alaric are working together. between enzo's guilt over hurting caroline, his insistence on not wanting to go find the phoenix stone and then immediately flip-flopping and joining team lily/heretics, and the out of nowhere feelings he claims to have for lily, it just seems as though there's something more going on. what if he's working as a secret agent, both to infiltrate the heretics to figure out what the phoenix stone actually does and learn the weaknesses of the group?

there are a few issues with this theory, of course, mostly that enzo and alaric haven't really had much on-screen interaction with each other, but they did team up at the beginning of season 6 to figure out a way to bring back damon and bonnie, and then again to try to get stefan and caroline to turn their humanity back on, so it seems possible that they'd be willing to work together again. alaric also didn't seem very surprised to hear that the heretics were reunited with lily, so maybe enzo informed him before alaric/damon/bonnie left for europe? and it would also make sense that they wouldn't initially want the salvatore brothers et al to know just yet because they wanted to get more intel before they started formulating actual plans.

i don't know, i just haaaaate enzo being mean to caroline and the mystic falls gang, and it just seems weird that he would turn his back on them for an insane woman and her equally crazy witchpire minions, and especially weird that he would be attracted to lily. this would make sense of all of this weirdness, and if it ends up happening, i will take back every mean thing i've ever said about enzo (which i would really like to do, because michael malarkey is lovely and deserves a better storyline then what he has)

i also agree that the female heretics are pretty great! i love mary louise because she reminds me a lot of early-season-3 rebekah, and her relationship with nora is adorable (although i'm not thrilled that the first lesbian couple is immediately shown to be evil and i'm hoping maybe they'll eventually defect from lily and possible redeem themselves a little?) i also think i love valerie the best, because she seemed like the chillest of them all, but nora's claim that she's the worst of them all both worries and excites me. i hope her development continues to be awesome, and i'm excited to learn more about her past with stefan.

i'm also interested to learn more about the heretics' history, because i was initially under the impression that all six of them were exiled by the gemini coven at the same time, but it seems that they actually were all shunned individually over a decent span of time and then met up with lily one at a time.

FINALLY (and lol, remember how i was like "OH I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY YOU SAID IT ALL" and now i've written a novel), i think that the phoenix stone has something to do with the scars on beau and stefan's necks in the premiere, so maybe someone uses it and unleashes the lady hunter who goes after stefan in the flash-forwards? or maybe it's a mixture of that theory and your caroline or valerie theory, where it's like some kind of force that possesses them? i don't know, but i'm very excited to find out!
Arabian: Caroline05arabian on October 22nd, 2015 09:13 am (UTC)
as usual, i completely agree with you on all points! i think it would be really interesting for matt and bonnie to eventually get together, honestly-- i hadn't actually considered it until you brought it up, but it makes a lot of sense!

Doesn't it, though?! I really hope the show is going there!

i don't have much else to add since you pretty much said it all, but my friend and i do have a theory that enzo and alaric are working together.

Well, I hope you're on to something here. Anything is better than Pod!Alaric and I'm certainly not a fan of the idea of Enzo and Lily (shudders), plus I'd like to think that Enzo would be smarter than to fall for Lily after her obvious using of him in New York. So I hope you're right. I'd like to see them teaming up, they sure did have great chemistry last season. And there are pieces in place already that would make it make sense as you mention.

i also agree that the female heretics are pretty great! i love mary louise because she reminds me a lot of early-season-3 rebekah, and her relationship with nora is adorable

Ooh, I never thought of that, but she is a little like Rebekah--but not as awesome as Rebekah (but then no one will ever be as awesome as my Rebekah!).

(although i'm not thrilled that the first lesbian couple is immediately shown to be evil and i'm hoping maybe they'll eventually defect from lily and possible redeem themselves a little?)

To be fair, MOST characters when introduced are evil to some extent on this show, LOL!

i also think i love valerie the best, because she seemed like the chillest of them all, but nora's claim that she's the worst of them all both worries and excites me. i hope her development continues to be awesome, and i'm excited to learn more about her past with stefan.

God, me too!

(and lol, remember how i was like "OH I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY YOU SAID IT ALL" and now i've written a novel)

This is why I no longer say that I'll have short posts about this show, LOL!

i think that the phoenix stone has something to do with the scars on beau and stefan's necks in the premiere, so maybe someone uses it and unleashes the lady hunter who goes after stefan in the flash-forwards? or maybe it's a mixture of that theory and your caroline or valerie theory, where it's like some kind of force that possesses them? i don't know, but i'm very excited to find out!

Ooh, could be, could be!
Mattghidorah15 on October 19th, 2015 06:39 pm (UTC)
Weellll, I think Brian Young has actually improved quite a bit as a writer starting in Season Four - his first episode there, aside from a couple of dumb but still explainable moments, was pretty on-point. So as predictable as the bit with Bonnie getting knocked out and leaving Matt's heart stopped may have been, I can forgive it relatively easily. Stefan tearing into Damon, though - I wanted to punch him right in the nose and clear through a wall. Grow up already, dude.

And speaking of growing up - yeah, Alaric needs to let Jo the hell go. I am hopeful that he will before this season is out, maybe even by the halfway point, and we'll get the real Alaric back. (That said, I just saw emofordino's theory about him and Enzo working together, and I catch myself hoping that actually proves to be the case.)

The Heretics still leave me unsympathetic, though not as much as Lily does. SHE IS AN EVIL BITCH WHO NEEDS TO DIE IN AGONY! (But be careful with those Clue references, lest I die of laughter.) Figures that Valerie would be hung up on Stefan - and if I'm reading the year of their meeting correctly, he knew her before Katherine showed up, when he was still mortal. I wonder what wrinkles that'll put into their interactions now?

As for Caroline - jeez, torturing her really is a regular thing for this show. At least she got to be badass and escape from Enzo before those damn vapid Heretics caught her again. What I wouldn't give to see Rebekah kick their asses. (Not going to speculate with the flash-forwards - I'll just let them play out and reveal what's happening in their future, aka our present.)

Not much else to say - Matt and Bonnie might very well be coming together as more than friends, Damon has a missing Heretic to track down, Stefan has women problems yet again, and even when she's being made to play Sleeping Beauty, Elena just can't catch a freaking break. We'll have to see where it all goes.
Arabian: Elena13arabian on October 22nd, 2015 09:24 am (UTC)
Weellll, I think Brian Young has actually improved quite a bit as a writer starting in Season Four - his first episode there, aside from a couple of dumb but still explainable moments, was pretty on-point. So as predictable as the bit with Bonnie getting knocked out and leaving Matt's heart stopped may have been, I can forgive it relatively easily.

That's my point--a COUPLE--I think this is the first one where he only had ONE dumb thing. So, big progress for him. Thumbs up! I'm trying to give kudos to the guy here. :)

Stefan tearing into Damon, though - I wanted to punch him right in the nose and clear through a wall. Grow up already, dude.

But it was so predictably Stefan, LOL! I mean, it was such the baby brother to his big bro. I have an older sister, I can understand. When we get together, it doesn't matter our age, you just regress. It happens. I can't help but laugh, I get annoyed, but then I see it for what it is and I laugh because at the end of the day now, Stefan quickly reverts back to worshiping baby brother who looks at big bro like the sun revolves around him. As Stefan did at the end of the episode.

And speaking of growing up - yeah, Alaric needs to let Jo the hell go.

God, yes! I was so hopeful that Pod!Alaric would be gone this season, but alas no. UGH!

I am hopeful that he will before this season is out, maybe even by the halfway point, and we'll get the real Alaric back. (That said, I just saw emofordino's theory about him and Enzo working together, and I catch myself hoping that actually proves to be the case.)

I know, right!?!??! Pretty, pretty please!

The Heretics still leave me unsympathetic, though not as much as Lily does.

Don't get me wrong, I like them and find them intriguing, but I don't sympathize with them. They threatened my precious Elena and made my Damon go all woobie-faced over my precious Elena. Zero sympathy.

SHE IS AN EVIL BITCH WHO NEEDS TO DIE IN AGONY!

Yes.

(But be careful with those Clue references, lest I die of laughter.)

FLAMES!

Figures that Valerie would be hung up on Stefan

Of course, it's Stefan. His milkshake brings all the girls to the yard.

and if I'm reading the year of their meeting correctly, he knew her before Katherine showed up, when he was still mortal. I wonder what wrinkles that'll put into their interactions now?

Mmmhmmmm.

As for Caroline - jeez, torturing her really is a regular thing for this show.

They could rename the show: Caroline Torture Porn.

At least she got to be badass and escape from Enzo before those damn vapid Heretics caught her again.

Yeah, I don't consider them vapid. As I told someone else last week, they were kinda bitchy, but think of what they did! They stood up for one another and defended each other. And when Nora and Mary Louise were at the graduation, they had that moment where we saw that they loved each other, but are from a time when they couldn't openly show it and now they can, but it's a new thing. Nora is more comfortable with that than Mary Louise and is encouraging her. So already we're seeing the difference in the two from Valerie and the support they show for each other but also their family. Also, we saw how that although they are frustrated with the strictures that Lily has placed, they do still love her. And Valerie, of course, is her own fish altogether. I just didn't see them vapid really.

What I wouldn't give to see Rebekah kick their asses.

Well, Rebekah, (the TVD version) is all-kinds of awesome of course.

(Not going to speculate with the flash-forwards - I'll just let them play out and reveal what's happening in their future, aka our present.)

I can't stop myself!!

...even when she's being made to play Sleeping Beauty, Elena just can't catch a freaking break. We'll have to see where it all goes.

Well, Caroline gets tortured, Elena gets kidnapped. It's their things.

Edited at 2015-10-22 09:25 am (UTC)
Diana: Vampire Diaries - Bonnie is satisfiedbutterfly on October 22nd, 2015 11:55 pm (UTC)
Finally got to watch this! Just in time for the new episode.

I'm glad your kitty is doing good. Taking pets to the vet can be very stressful. And I'm glad you and your car are okay.

Lily really is the worst! And none of the heretics are really thinking through the implications here -- if she can completely detach herself from her blood children like this, then she can do it to them too. All she would need is the right reasons. And it wouldn't even have to be them betraying her -- her kids had done nothing to warrant losing her love. Her husband, sure, but her kids? They were innocent and she just stopped caring about them.

Agreed about the fake tension in the Matt & Bonnie death scene. Luckily, their other scenes were a lot better. And it was also really sweet (and smart) of Damon to cover for Bonnie and keep her out of Lily's thoughts. And it looks like we're going to get lots of teamwork in upcoming episodes, which I love. I missed Elena, but Damon also was missing her hard, so that helped.

New!Alaric continues to be much less interesting than Old!Alaric, yeah. I am a bit interested in how the stone works, though -- it looks like the dead person might have to constantly touch it in order to stay 'alive'?
Arabian: Bonnie04arabian on November 2nd, 2015 08:19 am (UTC)
I'm glad your kitty is doing good. Taking pets to the vet can be very stressful. And I'm glad you and your car are okay.

Thank you. :)

Lily really is the worst! And none of the heretics are really thinking through the implications here -- if she can completely detach herself from her blood children like this, then she can do it to them too.

EXCELLENT POINT!

Luckily, their other scenes were a lot better.

Yuppers.

...it looks like we're going to get lots of teamwork in upcoming episodes, which I love.

Yeah, teamwork is fabulous, especially when Damon is part of the team. WHEE!

I missed Elena, but Damon also was missing her hard, so that helped.

Yeah. *sigh*
Bogwitchbogwitch on October 29th, 2015 09:00 pm (UTC)
Glad to hear your cat is okay (and the car).

Yet again I am teased with the possibility of Matt kicking the bucket and yet again it is snatched away! It’s no longer funny. But yeah, it was stupid and I was never in any doubt he would survive. As for Matt/Bonnie – zzzz. Can’t they find her anyone interesting? It’s about time.

Stefan is a twit. What is it with all these girls all falling for him?

>> I want Alaric Saltzman, snarky badass/vampire hunter/vampire-best friend/bar-drinking buddy back,

Where’s a memory-wipe when you actually need one?

I’m reserving my judgement on the Heretics. I’m not liking them much yet.
Arabian: Doylearabian on November 2nd, 2015 08:16 am (UTC)
Well, as you know now, car not OK, but hey, I have a new (used) one. Oh well, but my kitty is fine. :)

Yet again I am teased with the possibility of Matt kicking the bucket and yet again it is snatched away! It’s no longer funny. But yeah, it was stupid and I was never in any doubt he would survive. As for Matt/Bonnie – zzzz. Can’t they find her anyone interesting? It’s about time.

We will never agree on Matt, LOL! Aww, you know I liked Bonnie and Jeremy, but yeah, I didn't LOVE them. Hey, maybe if they do Bonnie and Matt, it will make you like them. There have been characters I didn't like where pairing them up made the character suddenly work for me. It could happen.

Stefan is a twit. What is it with all these girls all falling for him?

I do not know. But then I love him, but it's in a totally platonic way.

I’m reserving my judgement on the Heretics. I’m not liking them much yet.

I can understand that.
(Anonymous) on January 22nd, 2017 05:49 pm (UTC)
RE: 7x02 (guess who!)
Back already! Yay ;) I'm feeling better and it's Sunday and your posts are going to be my reading priority right now, so here I am :)

OH That's so good to know that your kitty is fine! And your car too. Sounds like had a quite a day *hugs*

” As soon as Bonnie told Matt that he would be fine heart-beating-less for up to six minutes, I rolled my eyes” - haha Yes, I think it was easy to guess where this was going, but I decided to focus on the nice kind of a call-back to S3.

”Such a cheap attempt at suspense” - To be fair, I don't know if there could've been much suspense either way. I think the most purpose this scene served was to add up to Matt feeling like the magic and the supernatural were continuously messing with his life.

And of course Brian Young is being my personal special snowflake this season for the reason I mentioned in my RE: 7x01 comment, so I feel like I have to defend him lol

”let me move onto my other issue, which as I said wasn't a show-issue, but an ‘Oh, Stefan, my boo, why you gotta be such an asshole?' Cuz really, he so was to Damon, wasn't he?” - Yep, and sadly it wasn't the last time. But I'm saving my Stefan rant for later ;) For now I'll just say that it feels like the slightly more enlightened Stefan of S5-S6 seemed to take a step back and return to his old misguidedly righteous ways.

”I truly love the intricate revealing of information on this show and how it continues to build connections so superbly. I just love it so much.” - Yes, that is wonderful, every time.

”Aww, Caroline's in TV journalism!” - Yes, the continuity is always greatly appreciated! And one of TVD's strong suits. Which is awesome.

”When Damon told Lily "she's not a toy soldier" about Elena, he damn near broke my heart.” - THAT LINE! Yes! The line AND the delivery was beautiful! It still rings in my ears.

”And I want Damon and Enzo and Alaric to go on an awesome road trip together.” - They better allot some time for that in S8! I'd SO love for that to happen.

Loved the write-up! ♥
Arabian: Damon14arabian on January 27th, 2017 01:15 pm (UTC)
RE: 7x02 (guess who!)
"As soon as Bonnie told Matt that he would be fine heart-beating-less for up to six minutes, I rolled my eyes" - haha Yes, I think it was easy to guess where this was going, but I decided to focus on the nice kind of a call-back to S3.</a>

That's the thing, we don't normally have the "easy to guess where this is going" cliche on this show.

”Such a cheap attempt at suspense” - To be fair, I don't know if there could've been much suspense either way. I think the most purpose this scene served was to add up to Matt feeling like the magic and the supernatural were continuously messing with his life.

But we already know that... it just could have been so much more organically. I dunno, it bugged.

And of course Brian Young is being my personal special snowflake this season for the reason I mentioned in my RE: 7x01 comment, so I feel like I have to defend him lol

I have no clue what you're talking about with that "K" instead of "C," I honestly don't, LOL! All I can think of is Katherine and we saw that picture of her several times over season 01 with the Katherine written on it clear as day, so he doesn't credit for that. Unless it was Kai?

Yep, and sadly it wasn't the last time. But I'm saving my Stefan rant for later ;) For now I'll just say that it feels like the slightly more enlightened Stefan of S5-S6 seemed to take a step back and return to his old misguidedly righteous ways.

I had a few issues with Stefan, but no more than usual.

”Aww, Caroline's in TV journalism!” - Yes, the continuity is always greatly appreciated! And one of TVD's strong suits. Which is awesome.

So ver true.

”When Damon told Lily "she's not a toy soldier" about Elena, he damn near broke my heart.” - THAT LINE! Yes! The line AND the delivery was beautiful! It still rings in my ears.

Ian was amazing in that scene.

”And I want Damon and Enzo and Alaric to go on an awesome road trip together.” - They better allot some time for that in S8! I'd SO love for that to happen.

Erm, yeah.... I'll just leave that there.
(Anonymous) on January 29th, 2017 10:55 am (UTC)
RE: 7x02 (guess who!) / +
You're scaring me a little with the Damon/Alaric thing lol But I'll patiently wait to see what happens. I'm going to start watching S8 on Wednesday!
Arabian: Alaric03arabian on January 29th, 2017 01:30 pm (UTC)
RE: 7x02 (guess who!) / +
Ack, sorry I messed up the coding on this one.

You're only 10 eps behind on this one, so you'll get to it faster! Yay!