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07 May 2015 @ 10:09 am
6.20 - 'I'd Leave My Happy Home For You' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I am so sorry this is so late. So, so sorry! I just wasn't able to get to this after the show over the weekend. Although, I'm glad I didn't because the one niggle I had with the episode, I figured out and made so much sense to me after the weekend was over and I just didn't have time to write the post during the week. But I have it done (although it's not as thorough as it normally would have been, and no gifs) before the new episode is airing. Yay!

I loved, loved, loved this episode. But of course I did. My beloved Rebecca Sonnenshine wrote it (with Brett Matthews, true, but Rebecca is the key!). Plus I got something that I’ve been waiting for since season 04. Hallelujah, Elena Gilbert is human once more. I know, I know, so many didn’t want that because Damon and Elena are supposed to have an eternity together, blah, blah, blah.

But.... They. Do. Not. Want. That. They don’t want it. Elena has never wanted to be a vampire. She never has. Ever. Even when she told Alaric that being a vampire was OK it was because she would be able to have forever with her soulmate, (Damon).

What she wants is to be a human, get married, have children, grow old and watch her children have children and then she wants to die someday in her old age with the man she loves (Damon) by her side. That is her first choice. That is what she wants.

And what about Damon? Damon wants to be human too... we know that; we know that he does because when he was at his rawest, most vulnerable he revealed that.

Damon: Hi, Jessica. I have a secret, I have a big one and I never said it out loud. I mean, what’s the point? It’s not gonna change anything, it’s not gonna make me good, make me adopt a puppy. I can’t be what other people want me to be, what she wants me to be. This is who I am, Jessica.
Jessica: Are you gonna hurt me?
Damon: I’m not sure because you are my existential crisis. Do I kill you or do I not kill you?
Jessica: Please don't.
Damon: But I have to, Jessica because I’m not human and I miss it. I miss it more than anything in the world! That is my secret but there is only so much hurt a man can take.
But, but, but you say... what about what he told Elena in "Into The Wild," the very memory that Elena recalled that she told Damon about? Well, I’ve mentioned that before and I’ll go over it again. Look at the dialogue from that scene as well:

{Damon turns around and starts walking away.}
Elena: Take the cure with me. [Damon stops.] That's how much I know this is real. That's how certain I am that I'm going to love you even after this is all over. Take the cure. Be human with me. We can be together. Grow old together. This doesn't have to be hard anymore.
Damon: {Still facing away from her.} That's not me, Elena. That's Stefan. You know, I used to miss being human. Now I can't think of anything more miserable on Earth.
There are three key things to take from this. The first is that Damon turns and walks away and even after Elena makes that rather shocking request, he doesn't look back at her. The second is the mention of Stefan. The third is the callback to Damon's existential crisis in "The Descent" referenced by his "I used to miss being human." Let's break those three things down.

So I've long said that Elena asked Damon to take the cure with her was her essentially proposing and whaddya know? The show agrees. Check out this line between Elena and my favoritest character ever, Jo: "So, basically, Damon did the vampire-version of a wedding proposal, and you just walked away?" And what did Damon do? Oh, that's right. Damon basically said that after Elena took the cure, he would take the cure too to be human with her.

See? A proposal. Ah, how well I know my show. But moving along. So back to "Into The Wild" when Elena did propose to Damon. Instead of turning to face her, Damon kept his back to her and instead of feeling any joy from this question, he felt only devastation. Why? Well, we then move onto number two: Stefan. At this point, Damon still truly believed—hell, EVERYONE except for Elena truly believed—that once Elena took the cure and became human again she would return to Stefan. Her love for Damon was not real; it was brought on by the sirebond and would dissipate once the sirebond was gone. As a human, she would be incapable of loving Damon. As a human, she had chosen Stefan and it was only as a vampire that she had turned to Damon. Once she was a human, she would run back to Stefan. So anything she said now about loving him, about wanting to be with him after she took the cure meant nothing because once the sirebond was gone, she wouldn’t love him, wouldn’t want him anymore.

And so he couldn't face her. And so he lied to her... by lying to himself. And that’s where number three comes in. We deliberately got that line about missing being human which he specifically, so heartbreakingly confessed in "The Descent." Damon believes that Elena does not love him because it's all the sire bond and he loves her so much that he wants her to be happy. He believes that her happiness will be with Stefan and so he tells her what he has to believe himself. That being human is not what he wants, not what he is. That it's Stefan, that being human would make him miserable and what he once said (in the show's timeline less than a year before) in his darkest, most honest hour is suddenly no longer true.

And even now, he’s convinced himself of this. After all this time of being with her, of loving her, of her loving him. And maybe if they have time—which of course is what Elena is giving him—Damon will realize this and will tell her this. But right now, he hasn’t even gotten this himself. He wasn’t honest with himself back in Novia Scotia and so how can he be honest with Elena now and such a rushed circumstance? Of course he can’t.

Now I’m jumping into some speculation. I think they decided to go with drawing out Damon’s realization a bit (which, while frustrating, *does* make sense and *is* in character considering all of Damon’s self-worth issues) in light of Nina Dobrev’s series regular departure next season.

We have to take into account the Damon and Stefan relationship. As important as Damon and Elena are, Damon and Stefan are important too and while the Elena side of things is all but settled in the matter of love, when it comes to Damon and Stefan… well, not so much. But more than that, things are not settled for Stefan’s heart period. Damon has found his soulmate. He no longer needs his brother to bear eternity. He truly can be happy and will feel that he has lived a fulfilled life having a complete human life with Elena, get married, have kids, grow old together.

Stefan doesn’t have that. He still needs Damon to fill the empty void of forever because he doesn’t have his other half. He *could* have that with Caroline, but right now, things are so beyond not there, so all Stefan feels he really has that's a definite is Damon. Their relationship has to be in a good place before both brothers can have their happy ending... and if Stefan is not settled in a place where he can be happy with Damon’s happiness—which means that he has found *his* soulmate—that won’t happen. And this isn’t about Stefan being selfish. It would be the same were the positions reversed. To love a family member that deeply (as the brothers do love each other that deeply) you can’t be truly happy unless your loved family member is truly happy themselves.

So *these* are the key things that I believe the next season will be about. It will be about bringing the brothers back to the relationship they had before Katherine came between them. It will be about getting Stefan to the same place with Caroline that Damon is with Elena. And it will be about having Damon without Elena and seeing that, even as a vampire with all of the nifty vampire tricks is not enough, that an eternity without Elena doesn't mean anything. And he will realize that his whole spiel about not missing being a human was just a cover-up for his fear that she wouldn’t love him if she was human.

So where will Elena be? I think that the cure won’t be available for Damon to drink but rather that someone else will drink Elena's blood (as Mama!Salvatore threatened to do, maybe even her) either taking it from her or more likely as a no-vampire-saving measure—meaning it will be Alaric (thus all the foreshadowing discussion) OR Matt!!! Yes, Matt will wind up being turned into a vampire and because Elena knows how very much he hates it—thus the reason for that hospital scene—and well, everyone knows (including Damon) how much Matt does not want it, Matt will drink Elena's blood.

Which brings us back to where will Elena be next season? I go back to my earlier theory which is that she will be stuck in 1903 somehow (through Kai and the Heretics arc). Then by next season's end, they will manage to get her... AND the 1903 cure. Damon will drink it because Stefan will then be in a better place to understand why Damon wants to take it, Damon will know that he wants to take it, and Damon and Elena will get their human happily ever after. Yuppers!

That’s my theory anyway.

But about what has actually happened, well, as I said at the top. I loved this episode, I truly did. I must have rewound that scene from the two of them on the porch (WE GOT A GILBERT PORCH SCENE AGAIN!) from the moment Elena drank the cure until Stefan called about a gazillion times. Now that… that, my friends, is what you call freaking epic. It was just… oh my heart, be still, my beating, freaking, overflowing, hyperventilating heart. So beautiful. Just all of it. Everything. From her getting her memories back. To wanting to kiss him. To throwing herself into his arms. To the way she looked at him. And the way he looked at her. To the hero-carry (again!). To him recreating the Gilbert porch. To just gah! Every single moment. To just all of it. The memories flooding back. And just so freaking awesome and I loved it so much. I just really, really, really did. It was so beautiful. So, so, so beautiful.

OK, I’m going to be lame from here on out and just throw the rest of my thoughts under random because this post is so incredibly late. I am sorry, so, so, so sorry, but at least I’m getting this out there before the next episode airs!!

- Someone pointed out in comments after my last write-up, that was how Damon would get the cure, makes sense (I still like 1903 idea too and am using it for my theory. See above!)

- The only Alaric scene that I liked was the Damon/Alaric scene... go figure! I wonder why... let me try and put my finger on it. Hmmm.... Well, let's see the two actors had chemistry. They had history. I buy that they aren't a forced construct by the writers to make me believe in this relationship for some reason. Oh, and the actor playing opposite Alaric isn't a wholly unapproachable, unlikable one.

- I kinda love Enzo now that he's a real boy and not just a blank canvas that flits in and out of scenes with witty lines and revenge plans.

- Matt was next to Damon for the bachelor party!! (I will take ANYTHING I can get, OK!!!)

- I loved Stefan's smile just hearing Caroline's voicemail. Awww!

- When Tyler told Matt he realized that by being a deputy he could kill someone, I was like, see, trust that the show would get there. It makes sense that Tyler hadn't thought that through right away. It *is* Tyler and Matt, after all. Not exactly a brain trust here.

- So, yeah, remember how I was all cool and kinda liking Tyler oddly enough the first half of the season because of Tyler and Liv? Well, apparently without the "And Liv" part, it doesn't really work because seeing Tyler in this episode I had an immediate, 'ugh, Tyler!' reaction and all of the words coming out of his mouth annoyed me, and his face annoyed me, and I just wanted him gone, like dead, forever. So, it really was all about Liv making Tyler palatable, I guess.

- Hah, see this is why I need to listen to my own advice—I complain about friendships not being shown, what happens... shit-ton of friendships this episode and when you think about it and the time-frame and all that's been going on, IT DOES make sense, plus, new writers are the ones who have been letting us down friendship-wise, my gorgeous Rebecca Sonnenshine co-wrote this one, of course she'd give us lovely friendship stuff. LUFF HER!

- On that note... OK, so they can give us scenes of Bonnie and Damon being mean, manipulative and hurtful to one another, but not Damon calling Bonnie up, pouring his heart and soul out to her, her being his listening board and there for him? OK then, cool. NOT! Although, I was very glad to hear that they're all BFFs again, still! I guess we go back to what happened in "A Bird In A Gilded Cage." That's just their relationship—they fight really badly and then once they get the anger out, they probably go, 'Uhm, my bad, sorry, we cool? Yeah, we cool, so this is my latest dramaz.' And then gab like besties. Uhm, OK.

- I'm just assuming that Bonnie will be fine. She better be. And I'm really hoping that next season we'll see a much better, stronger, heavily featured storyline for her. That's all I'm gonna say.

- Ian Somerhalder looked gorgeous, Nina Dobrev's hair looked gorgeous. I know I keep saying this, but damn... those things keep striking me. (Oh, on the Dobrev note, this was the first episode since the news leaked—can we say damage control, Ms. Plec—that I didn't think of the fact that Nina was leaving until the episode was over. What can I say? I am so this show's bitch, not even real-life TVD sadz can affect how much I love it for long.)

- When Lily walked in to diner, I immediately perked up and thought, 'Ooh, please kill Jo. Please, please, please! Let Matt's advice to Alaric have been foreshadowing, pretty please!' And then she did not! Ooh, I hate her!

- Damn, Lily was going to kill Stefan. Beeyotch, I hate her!

- *sigh* Jo and Alaric—so boring. What else is new. When he told Jo that she and the babies were all he cared about, I was like duh! Seriously show why did you bring Alaric back if you were going to take away everything that people loved about him: His bromance with Damon, his quasi-parental, not-so-skilled guidance of Elena and Jeremy, his badassery? I do not understand. I truly do not.

- When Stefan told Damon he was being a dick by not mentioning taking the cure to him because it would be hard for him and Damon said that's why he didn't, I thought of course Damon would think that because he is aware of Stefan's feelings (duh). And then when Stefan said that Damon wasn't letting Stefan have a say, I thought: 'Oh, Stefan, that's so you. You don't get it.' And I shook my head, because of course he doesn't. Because he doesn't realize that the world does not revolve around him and that not everything is about him. Silly, silly, selfish boo. Oh, Stefan, don't worry, I still love you.

- O.M.G. when we saw Kai I smiled, and then when *he* smiled at the end there, I was all "Oh, Kai, I've missed you so much!" Is that bad?

- It's the checklist, yo—add one more. Definitive proof that even as a human, yuppers, Elena loves Damon! AHA!!!!

- I loved, loved, loved all of the talk of fantasy vs. reality and how Damon and Elena... yuppers, they are the reality. Yes, they are!

So I really did love the episode. I thought it was awesome. And, of course, all that I wrote in here, spec-wise could be completely proven wrong in a handful of hours, but hey, that's part of the fun, right? I think this has been a great season for the most part. And I'm still in it for the long haul. I have faith that the show is going to handle things (including Nina's departure) the best way possible and in a way that works out even for Damon and Elena. I have faith!
 
 
 
Bogwitchbogwitch on May 7th, 2015 06:55 pm (UTC)
I think your third paragraph is a bit wonky and you have a repeated one.

I liked this one a lot too, I think it's my favourite one for awhile.

I’m a bit disappointed that Elena took the cure, but not surprised in the least. You are quite right that human is what Elena wanted to be and the narrative has been declaring that whatever I might have wanted for some time (the whole time, tbh). It wouldn’t be my choice to get old and suffer, but then I never wanted children and Elena does – that’s what this season’s strong theme of motherhood has all been about.

The 1903 cure seems so very far away with what 1903 transport might be available, but then the show has never cared about such detail, why would it start now!

>>OK, so they can give us scenes of Bonnie and Damon being mean, manipulative and hurtful to one another, but not Damon calling Bonnie up, pouring his heart and soul out to her, her being his listening board and there for him? OK then, cool.

Yeah. This yo-yo relationship is confusing me. One minute she’s telling him never to darken her door again, the next he’s ringing her to pour his heart out and when don’t see the thawing in between. I have found the handling of this friendship a disappointment.

I’m in it for the long haul too – as long as that’s not too long (looking at you Supernatural). My obsession with TVD has waned a bit, I confess (not so much that I won’t still stay up until 2am to watch though), but I think that has a lot to do with the way the show has been tying up some of it's loose ends - it's really felt like the end of a story and now we know why. I think I'm gong to feel satisfied at the end of this season, what comes after that we'll see; though you are right, the Damon-Stefan storyline isn't close to resolution and I still believe Stefan's ripperness needs more than a hour or two in a box with Katherine to get over.


Edited at 2015-05-07 07:33 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Stefan04arabian on May 10th, 2015 09:11 am (UTC)
I think your third paragraph is a bit wonky and you have a repeated one.

I did; thanks, I fixed it.

I liked this one a lot too, I think it's my favourite one for awhile.

I ♥ my Rebecca Sonnenshine so much!

I’m a bit disappointed that Elena took the cure, but not surprised in the least.

I always expected Elena to become human again and I've wanted and waited for it, so you know I'm not disappointed. But I know I'm in the minority here.

You are quite right that human is what Elena wanted to be and the narrative has been declaring that whatever I might have wanted for some time (the whole time, tbh).

Thank you for seeing that thought.

It wouldn’t be my choice to get old and suffer, but then I never wanted children and Elena does – that’s what this season’s strong theme of motherhood has all been about.

Yeah.

The 1903 cure seems so very far away with what 1903 transport might be available, but then the show has never cared about such detail, why would it start now!

Ah, I figured that one out. They just travel to Novia Scotia in present-day time, then do the traveling-thing. Scoop up the cure, time/alternate-travel-back, and voila! They're back in present-day time and just hop a flight back home. Whee!

Yeah. This yo-yo relationship is confusing me. One minute she’s telling him never to darken her door again, the next he’s ringing her to pour his heart out and when don’t see the thawing in between. I have found the handling of this friendship a disappointment.

Yeah. :(

I’m in it for the long haul too – as long as that’s not too long (looking at you Supernatural). My obsession with TVD has waned a bit, I confess (not so much that I won’t still stay up until 2am to watch though), but I think that has a lot to do with the way the show has been tying up some of it's loose ends - it's really felt like the end of a story and now we know why. I think I'm gong to feel satisfied at the end of this season, what comes after that we'll see; though you are right, the Damon-Stefan storyline isn't close to resolution and I still believe Stefan's ripperness needs more than a hour or two in a box with Katherine to get over.

I really hope that we do just have one more season and they use that to wrap up Damon/Stefan, Stefan/Caroline, bring Elena back in whatever fashion they're spiriting her away to give Damon/Elena their happy ending and whatever characters remain wrapping up their stories too. I have faith.
Mattghidorah15 on May 7th, 2015 08:24 pm (UTC)
Yay.
I'm glad your optimism has been restored. :) And bogwitch is right, a couple of your paragraphs are wonky. Just thought you should know.

Damon/Elena are THE couple. Period. The haters can cry about it all they want, but their delusions will never overpower the reality of the story being told. Even as a human with her memories fully intact (YAY! Finally!), Elena chooses Damon in a heartbeat and doesn't even mention Stefan. One more lie blown to pieces. Now, as you said, Damon just needs to prove that he was lying back in "Into The Wild". (CON-TI-NU-I-TY, BOOM!) I like your idea for how the next (and please let it be the last, CW) season might play out and resolve things for him and for Stefan.

Yeah, Lily's a bitch - but at least she's an interesting one. Enzo's cool, too - I'm glad he's become a real character now. Tyler? Yeah, he didn't shine tonight. Matt? Get your head out of your butt, dude. Then get it examined, because you're losing your sanity. Bonnie? I don't think she's truly sane either. Hopefully, that'll get addressed next season, too. Alaric? I can't say I'm invested in his impending marriage to Jo, either. I'm actually hoping for something hinky to be going on there, just so it'll get interesting.

Oh, and we finally saw Kai again, with his new Heretic buddies. Yeah, looks like he's going to stay in villain territory after all. Works for me - he's a great villain. ;)

Sooo yeah - excellent episode. Given who wrote it, that's no shock. Here's to hoping the last two episodes of Season Six are just as good. :D

Edited at 2015-05-08 01:36 am (UTC)
Arabian: Bonnie03arabian on May 10th, 2015 09:18 am (UTC)
Re: Yay.
I'm glad your optimism has been restored. :) And bogwitch is right, a couple of your paragraphs are wonky. Just thought you should know.

Yeah, I just needed to get over the shock/despair. (Stupid crewmember!! GRR!) Yes, I fixed the paragraphs. I was trying to get the damn thing posted finally I didn't re-read like I normally do. My bad.

Damon/Elena are THE couple. Period. The haters can cry about it all they want, but their delusions will never overpower the reality of the story being told. Even as a human with her memories fully intact (YAY! Finally!), Elena chooses Damon in a heartbeat and doesn't even mention Stefan. One more lie blown to pieces.

Yeah, baby! Yeah, baby! Yeah, baby, yeah!! How freaking awesome was it? SO. FREAKING. AWESOME!

Now, as you said, Damon just needs to prove that he was lying back in "Into The Wild". (CON-TI-NU-I-TY, BOOM!)

Him just choosing to be human and her believing that will prove that I think.

I like your idea for how the next (and please let it be the last, CW) season might play out and resolve things for him and for Stefan.

It really does make sense. I mean, the last two/three seasons (4/5/6) have been about Damon/Elena. Damon/Stefan deserve a full season devoted to them.

Yeah, Lily's a bitch - but at least she's an interesting one.

True, but I still don't like the actress.

Enzo's cool, too - I'm glad he's become a real character now.

Thank goodness!

Tyler? Yeah, he didn't shine tonight.

Nope!

Matt? Get your head out of your butt, dude. Then get it examined, because you're losing your sanity.

I still think we're heading somewhere with Matt, I'm just not sure where.

Bonnie? I don't think she's truly sane either. Hopefully, that'll get addressed next season, too.

I want a REALLY good story for Bonnie next season, yo!

Alaric? I can't say I'm invested in his impending marriage to Jo, either. I'm actually hoping for something hinky to be going on there, just so it'll get interesting.

PLEASE!

Oh, and we finally saw Kai again, with his new Heretic buddies. Yeah, looks like he's going to stay in villain territory after all. Works for me - he's a great villain. ;)

So true. I mean, he tried to be good, it just didn't work out for him. Oh wells!

Sooo yeah - excellent episode. Given who wrote it, that's no shock. Here's to hoping the last two episodes of Season Six are just as good. :D

I have faith. :D
Re: Yay. - ghidorah15 on May 10th, 2015 07:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Yay. - arabian on May 10th, 2015 10:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Creature Of Hobbit: kaitellshannon815 on May 7th, 2015 09:44 pm (UTC)
I surprised myself in reacting just that way to Kai, who I didn't used to like but has gradually grown on me.
Arabian: What's not to Love? (Logan)arabian on May 10th, 2015 09:22 am (UTC)
You didn't like him!??!? See, I didn't love him before, but I always liked him! Mercy, I can't imagine not liking him! AAAHHH! I LOVE HIM SO MUCH NOW!!!!! At least you've seen the light (or is it dark, hahaha!) now! LOL!
Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on May 7th, 2015 09:48 pm (UTC)
part I
YAY! This post is here ♥

”I'm glad I didn't because the one niggle I had with the episode, I figured out” - One?! Oh dear. I'll try to tone down on my, er, dislike of this episode then lol

”My beloved Rebecca Sonnenshine wrote it” - I was really shocked when after watching the episode I looked up who wrote it. Then again I don't blame her all that much. The writers just had to put together this half of the season to make Nina's exit work (for them anyway), so it's no wonder certain things don't feel true to the story and would've been probably, hopefully written differently if the writers had more time.

”But.... They. Do. Not. Want. That. They don’t want it.” - Maybe. But the return of that dilemma and the whole cure debacle was random and rushed and... wasn't the whole journey about accepting the changes, accepting new developments? And now all that has gone to hell and we're back to square one or half a square, actually, so to speak, because we have Elena, Elena WITH her memories back where they should be, Elena with the mindset that at least for a few MINUTES should be at 5x22/6x01 (where did that grief go???) trying to talk Damon out of being human with her. That scene was just so, so ridiculous and just there because it had to be there, because Nina is leaving. It made no sense story-wise, or characters-wise and the fact that the first and only memory that Elena chose to discuss (and the show chose to re-show us, I literally groaned at that, btw) after getting her memories back AND realizing Damon is not dead was that island conversation? I just couldn't believe my eyes. Elena, with her memories back, should know that moment wasn't about Damon's true and deepest and actual and objective feelings on being human, but very much dependent on the circumstances AT THAT TIME back in S4, so her CLINGING to that like it was the most important thing Damon has ever said to her was completely totally wrong and annoying.

OK. I apologize in advance if I get too emotional, but I'm just very, very unhappy about what they're doing and in my defense, there's no defending the writers downplaying Elena ALL SEASON knowing full well she may leave and later knowing she was leaving for sure.

”What she wants is to be a human, get married, have children, grow old and watch her children have children and then she wants to die someday in her old age with the man she loves (Damon) by her side. That is her first choice. That is what she wants.” - But that's not how they wrote it. That's our wishful reading of that. The show actually threw out of the window the last couple of years and teleported Elena back to her S2 mindset and our beloved waterfall scene (!), all the way back to Elena who wanted a human life and children, doesn't matter with whom, apparently, because neither back then nor now she can have them with the man she is with. I'm not a fighting feminist or anything, but diminishing Elena to a cliché woman (who can only be happy having a “normal” family life) isn't doing the character any favors and basically goes against everything that happened throughout the series, because it turns out that all the growth was about Elena coming to the conclusion that Matt was right all along, that he was the smart one who had everyone mapped out and got everything right at the age of 17 and she had to go through all those ordeals to understand that true happiness is and can only be about living a simple, uneventful life and having kids.

I was going to say this comment would be short, because it's late and I'm tired, but it looks like I'm in a rant mode, sorry about that lol
Arabian: Damon & Elena29arabian on May 10th, 2015 10:17 am (UTC)
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I'm going to be running roughshod like mad over your responses, just warning you ahead of time. Just to start with... you are so, so, so upset about Nina leaving that I really think you should have taken a break from watching the show because I honestly don't think you're watching it clearly. So many comments you've made here honestly left me jaw-dropped and mind-boggled.

certain things don't feel true to the story

EVERYTHING felt true to the story and the narrative that has been told from day one.

Maybe.

No maybe. Damon and Elena DO NOT WANT TO BE VAMPIRES! We know this absolutely. There is no doubt. At his most raw and vulnerable, Damon confessed it. Elena has NEVER, not once, wavered from that belief. There is no question. No maybe. This is something that I have contended over and over and over in my posts always. And I'm someone who has a very good record when it comes to getting this show.

the return of that dilemma and the whole cure debacle was random and rushed

How is this rushed or random? It was introduced in episode 15. It is now episode 21. That is SIX EPISODES. Longer than that and it would have been dragged out. And it's not random at all since the first couple of episodes the discussion of being a vampire vs being human was brought up between Alaric and Elena and how Elena didn't like being a vampire, only found having her soulmate with Damon for eternity making it worthwhile. And then Alaric became human again... which kept the whole 'hey, a vampire became human again' thing open. So, not random at all. Not rushed at all.

wasn't the whole journey about accepting the changes, accepting new developments?

Yes. And Elena did. She learned to see the world in shades of gray. To accept that not everything is black and white. She learned to accept that some things can not be changed. She learned that you can't choose who you love. She learned that things just happen and you have to go with the flow. She learned that when you have to grab your happiness and hold onto it. She learned that you have to find happiness in the midst of despair. She learned that life is worth living no matter how awful it can be. She learned that when life hands you lemons, you make lemonade. None of that means that when you are handed the opportunity to not remain the thing you most sincerely DO NOT WANT TO BE (a creature whose urge is to kill and needs to feed) you wouldn't grab that opportunity.

all that has gone to hell

None of that in any way has gone to hell because Elena still has learned all of the above, she has still grown tremendously as a person. Is still older, wiser, stronger, braver in every way than she was when we first met her, than when she first became a vampire, than when she first was with Damon and accepted her love for him.

we're back to square one or half a square

We're so very far from square one, it can't even be seen.

Elena WITH her memories back where they should be, Elena with the mindset that at least for a few MINUTES should be at 5x22/6x01

Why in HEAVEN'S NAME would Elena be there?!?!?!

where did that grief go???

Uhm, away? Because Damon is alive. And has been with her, as her boyfriend, beside her, holding her hand, kissing her, loving her, loving her up, sleeping with her, telling her he loves her, listening to her say she loves him, making new memories with her. Why would she be grieving for a dead man when that man is not dead but is standing right there in front of her, beautiful and alive and madly in love with her and she is fully alive for the first time in a year or so and it's exactly as she believed, she still loves him and she remembers all of her memories, which she's wanted for so long? She has everything she's ever wanted!

TBC

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She is human. She has the man she loves more than anything standing in front of her alive. She has ALL of her memories of loving him. And instead of him being gone, he's here, he's with her and HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS! With her memories of Damon regained, she didn't suddenly lose all of her memories of the last six or so months of him since he returned. Oh, and she's also got him saying he's gonna take the cure with her and they can live out a normal, human life together. Why wouldn't she be happier than she's ever been in her entire life?!

There would be absolutely ZERO reason for grief now. The time for grief has passed. He's not dead anymore. That's all gone. It wouldn't make any sense for that to come back now.

That scene was just so, so ridiculous

No, it wasn't. That scene was beautiful and perfect and made perfect sense and showed how much Elena loves Damon. That she loves him as much as he loves her!

just there because it had to be there, because Nina is leaving.

No, no, no, NO!

It made no sense story-wise or characters-wise

Of course it did, both. Elena loves Damon so much that she doesn't want him to do something that would make him miserable in the long run. She doesn't want him to make a choice that he can't go back on.

the fact that the first and only memory that Elena chose to discuss (and the show chose to re-show us, I literally groaned at that, btw)

Oh, I'm sorry, I must have been imagining the many, many, many, many flashbacks of all of the other flashbacks they showed us that Elena remembered. And the lovely first date between the two they showed us. Seriously, though, they chose that one deliberately because it was SPECIFICALLY chosen to show WHY Elena was telling Damon this. Because she loves him so much and because she now believes that he was just saying this because he was doing this for her now and it wasn't actually something he wanted. And she doesn't want him to be miserable, and in her memory--which she now remembers--he told her being human would make him miserable.

I just couldn't believe my eyes. Elena, with her memories back, should know that moment wasn't about Damon's true and deepest and actual and objective feelings on being human, but very much dependent on the circumstances AT THAT TIME back in S4, so her CLINGING to that like it was the most important thing Damon has ever said to her was completely totally wrong and annoying.

How on Earth could Elena know that? HOW!??!??! Elena didn't know that in season 04! And do you know why Elena didn't know that in season 04? And why Stefan doesn't even realize now that Damon wants to be human? Because ONLY viewers know that Damon misses being human! ONLY viewers saw that scene between Damon and Jessica on the roadside. Because that was Damon's GREATEST SECRET! Damon has never told ANYONE that. Elena knows that Damon has insecurities about Stefan, but she didn't know to connect them to a secret that she didn't know about. A secret so deep that even HIS BROTHER doesn't know. To this day, Stefan doesn't even know that secret. Damon turned his back on Elena because he couldn't let her see his face because she would know that he was lying about not wanting to be human with her. Elena thought he turned his back on her because she thought that he didn't want to hurt her because he didn't want to be human with her. BIG DIFFERENCE! Damon has never given ANYONE any indication that he doesn't LOVE being a vampire.

I apologize in advance if I get too emotional, but I'm just very, very unhappy

And I apologize for getting emotional in response, but I'm really shocked at how you're ignoring everything that I know I've written about over and over in my posts regarding all of this subjects in the past over the last four years. So none of this is surprising to me or not coming straight from already lain-narrative so I don't know where ANY OF THIS is coming from from you.

TBC

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Arabian: Damon & Elena48arabian on May 10th, 2015 10:19 am (UTC)
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there's no defending the writers downplaying Elena ALL SEASON knowing full well she may leave and later knowing she was leaving for sure.

This is simply NOT true. Elena was front and center as the female lead in episodes 1-11 (and the primary lead in most of them), with episodes 12-13 being a mix of Elena and Caroline and then it switched over to Caroline in episodes 14-16, and then 17-21 has jumped back to, oh, right Elena being back to the main female lead. So out of 21 episodes this season, Elena was the female lead in 18 episodes, sharing the co-lead in two of the episodes. And she was the primary lead in the first batch of episodes and in the last batch of episodes. How exactly has she been downplayed?

”What she wants is to be a human, get married, have children, grow old and watch her children have children and then she wants to die someday in her old age with the man she loves (Damon) by her side. That is her first choice. That is what she wants.” - But that's not how they wrote it. That's our wishful reading of that.

Except that is EXACTLY what I have been saying for the last four years in ALL of my write-ups. I never wavered from this. I have ALWAYS maintained that Elena would be human again. Always maintained that's what she wants. I never changed my stance on that. I always saw it in the narrative. People argued with me in the comments. I certainly saw people wanting Damon/Elena forever as vampires elsewhere, but I never did partially because I always saw it in the narrative. I have never seen an Elena Gilbert who wanted to be a vampire, and once she became one, I never saw an Elena Gilbert who was truly happy being a vampire. She accepted it; she made the best of it. She found the positives in it, but it was not what she wanted. So how was this wishful thinking if I, someone who has nailed (time and time again) the correct narrative that this show is selling, have always maintained that THIS is what the show is selling about Elena. This is what she wants.

I'm not a fighting feminist or anything, but diminishing Elena to a cliché woman (who can only be happy having a “normal” family life)

That's bullshit! To say that a woman is "diminished to a cliché" because she wants to have a normal family is bullshit. The show is NOT saying that. They are saying that this ONE WOMAN, ELENA GILBERT, just happens to want to get married, to have babies, oh, and to be a doctor. That is HER DREAM. Not Caroline's, not Bonnie's, not Liv's. ELENA's. When she was at the waterfall, she wanted the choice. Now that she is in love with the love of her life, she knows what her choice is... to marry him, to have his children. That does not make her a clichéd woman. That just makes her A woman who happens to want to marry the man she loves, who happens to want to have his children. That just makes her A woman who has made a choice. Her choice.

goes against everything that happened throughout the series

It goes against NOTHING!

because it turns out that all the growth was about Elena coming to the conclusion that Matt was right all along, that he was the smart one who had everyone mapped out and got everything right at the age of 17 and she had to go through all those ordeals to understand that true happiness is and can only be about living a simple, uneventful life and having kids.

No, Matt mapped out THEIR life. Matt was the boring guy to HER! He wanted to live a life in Mystic Falls with her, with Elena married to HIM, with Elena having HIS kids. Elena wants to live in New York (not a boring, small town) with Damon (not a boring guy), above a BAR (not a boring lifestyle), having HIS kids. That's a different life. And it's a life that SHE has chosen. And a life that Damon has now chosen WITH her. Matt mapped out THEIR life without her say-so when they were still kids before they had lived at all. Elena has grown up and is an adult now. Completely different.

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OK, I will get to the other stuff, but I wanted to link to this. I had no problem with this episode AT ALL. You know this. But you did. I was scrolling through the D/E tag on tumblr and came across this blog and it's from someone who also had big problems with this episode, but now doesn't, and I thought that maybe reading their perspective might help you because they came from the same place that you originally came from (where I never was).

http://undyingdelena.tumblr.com/post/119399998836/tvd-6x20-if-youre-a-bird
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Florencia: DE (Honeymoon)florencia7 on May 7th, 2015 09:48 pm (UTC)
part II
“Check out this line between Elena and my favoritest character ever, Jo” - She might be the writers' favorite too, because her eating habits were given more screen time than Elena getting her memories back.

”And maybe if they have time—which of course is what Elena is giving him—Damon will realize this and will tell her this.” - Yeah, it's not like we have only two episodes left, so I'm sure they'll get to talk everything through in great detail.

”which, while frustrating, *does* make sense and *is* in character considering all of Damon’s self-worth issues” - I kind of thought we've dealt with that? But oh, that's right, it's “vintage season” so I guess all the themes and props and what not from the past are coming back with vengeance, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

”We have to take into account the Damon and Stefan relationship.” - Don't worry. That's probably the only relationship Julie won't discard as collateral damage, so I'm sure that part of the story will end well, sooner or later.

”Stefan doesn’t have that. He still needs Damon to fill the empty void of forever” - I know I'm repeating myself but... didn't we deal with that as well? Stefan was really making such a good progress and now his character development bounced back to where it was when he used to irritate me on a regular basis. I'm sorry. I just really feel like 99% of what is happening right now is dictated by Nina's exit and that the writers either didn't want to believe, until the last minute, that she was really going to leave OR they just stopped caring at all, out of sadness or anger or boredom, whatever. They could've given DE their last season, focus on them, focus on ELENA, but instead they chose to limit Elena and DE as much as it was possible, give them as little screen time as possible, and separate them, either physically or mentally for most of the time this season. And even the happy moments we got were happening while Elena wasn't fully herself and didn't have all of her memories. And not that she has, we're back to angst, even though we're running out of time like never before.

I guess I'm just particularly heartbroken by how they handled the scene of Elena getting her memories back. It was so, so poorly done. They just brushed it off like it didn't matter at all. The memory flashes were so generic. There was nothing compelling, nothing riveting about that scene at all. They made WAY bigger deal of Elena losing her memories and since we're been waiting all season for her memories to return I was expecting a scene at least as moving as that hug in 5x12. Instead, we got something that couldn't even qualify as intense. No recollection of that grief from 5x22/6x01. No nothing. And after that last scene, when Elena WALKED AWAY (really?? The same Elena who was hurting herself to hallucinate Damon walked away from him MINUTES after realizing that he was not dead!?) from Damon and left him alone in front of the fireplace – it felt like 2x01 all over again. That's how Damon was at the end of that episode. Standing alone in front of the fireplace. Weirdest parallel ever.

”So *these* are the key things that I believe the next season will be about.” - That's fascinating, but I'm opting out. Maybe I'll binge-watch next summer, I don't know, I'm not saying I won't because maybe I won't be able to resist if I hear good things about it. But I'm definitely not going to watch on a weekly basis. It's the end of the road for me.

”I go back to my earlier theory which is that she will be stuck in 1903 somehow” - I doubt it. I was thinking that too, but it really doesn't seem like that's what they're going to do. Elena's exit is supposed to be “satisfying” and I can't imagine how being stuck anywhere could be satisfying for any character at any time.
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She might be the writers' favorite too, because her eating habits were given more screen time than Elena getting her memories back.

No.

”which, while frustrating, *does* make sense and *is* in character considering all of Damon’s self-worth issues” - I kind of thought we've dealt with that?

Damon has 170+ years of self-worth issues to deal with. Do you honestly think that they can be dealt with in two years? Really? I mean, honestly? Elena is going to be dealing with this for at least the next ten years of their relationship. At least. This isn't going away easily. It's not a quick fix. These are deep-seated issues. His father. His mother. His brother. Katherine. Deep, deep.

Don't worry. That's probably the only relationship Julie won't discard as collateral damage

Damon and Elena have not been discarded. AT ALL. In any way, shape or form. My goodness, the guy basically proposed to her in the last episode! They are the OTPs of all OTPs on this show. This entire season has been about crowning them on high in every possible way. Caroline Dries clearly has a checklist that she's been going down and obliterating every single argument that's been made to discount them as a legitimate couple.

RE: Stefan and Damon's relationship -- I know I'm repeating myself but... didn't we deal with that as well?

You are and again... these things don't just go away easily. These aren't just quick fixes here. They are still a work in progress. Nearly 150 years of bad blood that is just now really getting back into place. It's going to take time.

I just really feel like 99% of what is happening right now is dictated by Nina's exit

And? That's called good writing. Your lead actress leaves so... what, they're supposed to just leave everything up in the air and NOT deal with it? Of course not. So instead they write Damon and Elena as the most awesome, in love couple ever, set up resolving the other relationships next season and make sure that Damon and Elena are completely set in stone as THE couple so that while Elena is off in whatever 'we must rescue her' set-up there are no worries about the D/E relationship and get the other ducks in a row next season. How is that bad? Oh, right, it's not. Again, good writing. Good planning. Good showrunning.

They could've given DE their last season, focus on them

Which they DID! When you rewatch this season, if you do... you're gonna realize just how GREAT this season was for D/E. The entire season has been an ode to how they are the MOST IN LOVE, FOREVER, SUPER-DUPER, AAHHHH! couple. In just the last three episodes alone we got:

- Adorable bathroom-in-towels stuffies.
- Their first ‘I love you's' without her memories with the lovely kisses by the fountain.
- Elena opening up to him about what she wanted as a future with them if they were both human. More sexy, sweet kisses.
- Elena not getting upset with Damon about the cure, but being totally understanding. Her deciding not to take the cure to be with him, and then him telling her that he'd take the cure with her. Which was basically a proposal. And it was so awesome and amazing.
- Damon and Elena on the clock-tower.
- The recreation of the Gilbert Porch. We got another freaking Gilbert Porch scene for goodness' sake! And it was awesome and beautiful and I LUFFED it!
- Damon talking about the first time he kissed her.
- Elena getting her memories back. And it was freaking awesomely done!
- Including us seeing a part of their first date (which we never saw before). And it was soooo cute!
- Another hero-carry!
- Elena's first reaction to being human wanting to passionately kiss Damon. Which she did. And you know what it was? It was awesome!

That was just in THREE EPISODES! That's not counting everything before this. No, we didn't get any long drawn out love scenes, but no one this season did. And Damon/Elena still got more than anyone else did. This WAS the season for Damon and Elena.

focus on ELENA

Focus on Elena?! We got a HAPPY Elena Gilbert! A freaking HAPPY Elena Gilbert, something that we never had prior.

instead they chose to limit Elena

No, they did not. See previous comment and how she was the female lead.

TBC

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Florencia: Elena (Stars)florencia7 on May 17th, 2015 06:57 pm (UTC)
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"Elena is going to be dealing with this for at least the next ten years of their relationship." - No wonder Nina left. It sounds like they wouldn't run out of storyline until all the actors turned 60! lol

"Caroline Dries clearly has a checklist that she's been going down and obliterating every single argument that's been made to discount them as a legitimate couple." - I know, I know and this is all TRUE and I know it. Please don't take my complaints as a sign that I'm suddenly upset about everything ever, because I'm not. Maybe it just looks like that because I'm mentioning the things I didn't like and in the past I always liked 99% of everything, so now that the ratio may be that I like 80% the difference comes across as more shocking than it actually is ;)

"And? That's called good writing. Your lead actress leaves so... what, they're supposed to just leave everything up in the air and NOT deal with it?" - Well, they didn't deal with "we're toxic" thing or Sarah, to mention just the first two things that come to mind ;) And no, of course they shouldn't leave everything up in the air, but was it really the only alternative? I'd rather expect them to showcase Elena and spend the entire season paying tribute to who Elena is, what she meant for the show instead of damaging her personality by the whole selective amnesia thing that led to us seeing too little Elena in Elena, so to speak, for quite a bit of time, which would've been all fine if it wasn't her LAST SEASON EVER. I'd also expect for her storylines to be at the center of things instead of playing supportive or secondary role in everyone else's. Again, it would've been good writing if it wasn't Elena's last season. But it was.

"In just the last three episodes alone we got:" - If you put it that way! lol Yes, that's quite an impressive list and you're right. The thing is, all the things you mention happened in the last couple of episodes. Most of the season, DE was technically absent, screen time-wise. But maybe that was because they were in denial, until the last minute, about Nina's departure and that's why they have written the beginning of this season as if they had all the time in the world ;)
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Arabian: Damon & Elena40arabian on May 10th, 2015 10:48 am (UTC)
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DE as much as it was possible

Again, no, they did not. Damon was gone for the first five episodes, but the feel of Damon and Elena permeated all five episodes he wasn't in the present day.

give them as little screen time as possible, and separate them, either physically or mentally for most of the time this season.

Nope, nope, nope. Again, when you rewatch this season you're gonna be really surprised. Big-time.

And even the happy moments we got were happening while Elena wasn't fully herself and didn't have all of her memories.

Because instead she was RE-FALLING in love with Damon.

And not that she has, we're back to angst, even though we're running out of time like never before.

Angst? Oh, you mean, with Elena not upset with Damon for keeping the cure from her, but instead choosing to not take it because she loves him so much and Damon then basically proposing to her? Or how about the angst of them recreating the Gilbert porch, or how about Elena becoming human and the first thing she does is enthusiastically, passionately kissing Damon? Yeah, that's just HORRIBLE angst. Just awful.

I guess I'm just particularly heartbroken by how they handled the scene of Elena getting her memories back. It was so, so poorly done.

Yeah, I mean, remembering their first date, giving us a flashback to their summer of love was TERRIBLE! And having her have a flood of memories! Not once, not twice, not three times, but four, five separate times. Beaming with joy and happiness because the memories were coming back. It was so badly done. Really.

They just brushed it off like it didn't matter at all.

I know, right? Elena wasn't effected at all. I mean, that glorious, glowing, radiant smile when she realized her memories were back? Pshaw, that was like, pfft, no big. And Damon's reaction when she told him? Right, did she tell him? I mean, it was like just glossed over so quickly, that effusive, breathless, joyous manner in which she told him, I kinda missed it, it was so meaninglessly portrayed, but I think she told him, his awed expression that was filled with like the greatest happiness he's ever known. I mean, all of that.. yeah, it just, it all came across like it just didn't matter at all. No big deal.

Yeah, sarcasm, it is my friend. Seriously, Kate, you should not have watched these episodes until you had more time to adjust to Nina leaving because you just did not see how totally awesome these episodes are, especially for Damon and Elena.

TBC

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The memory flashes were so generic. There was nothing compelling, nothing riveting about that scene at all.

Except in every way possible!

They made WAY bigger deal of Elena losing her memories and since we're been waiting all season for her memories to return I was expecting a scene at least as moving as that hug in 5x12.

I thought this was WAY, WAY, WAY more moving than the hug in 5.12. Way more moving. Beyond way more moving. And I adored the hug in 5.12.

Instead, we got something that couldn't even qualify as intense.

I don't know on what planet that would be the case.

No recollection of that grief from 5x22/6x01.

Again, why would she be thinking of the grief at this point? WHY?!?!? Just why?! And this was supposed to be a HAPPY moment?! Why would you even want to ruin a beautiful, glorious, happy moment with her remembering the devastating grief?!? I sure wouldn't. And it wouldn't have made any freaking sense. I would have been bitching up a storm if they had introduced it then. Why? Because it would have made no sense because DAMON IS NOT DEAD! And she's had him here with her, loving her, right by her side for MONTHS!

And after that last scene, when Elena WALKED AWAY

Because she LOVES him and she needs to let him make the decision for himself, not for her. It's called sacrificing what you want for the person you love.

(really?? The same Elena who was hurting herself to hallucinate Damon walked away from him MINUTES after realizing that he was not dead!?)

IT WAS NOT MINUTES AFTER REALIZING THAT HE WAS NOT DEAD! She knew he was not dead for MONTHS! She did not FORGET the last six months in between getting her memories back. They all fit in nicely together like pieces falling into place.

it felt like 2x01 all over again.

What??!? HOW?!?!??!?!?!

That's how Damon was at the end of that episode. Standing alone in front of the fireplace. Weirdest parallel ever.

No, no parallel at all! NONE! Katherine left him devastated because she DIDN'T love him. She rejected him. Elena was telling Damon I remember that you told me it would make you miserable. You're not doing this if it's not want you want, I love you too much to do that to you. This was all about how much she loves him. He knows that.

It's the end of the road for me.

That's probably best if you've forgotten everything that's happened on the show with these characters in your grief over Nina leaving and therefore can't see how awesome everything is still.
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Florencia: DE (Forever)florencia7 on May 7th, 2015 09:49 pm (UTC)
part III
”Damon will know that he wants to take it, and Damon and Elena will get their human happily ever after. Yuppers!” - That'd be great. Send me a postcard when it happens lol

”I must have rewound that scene from the two of them on the porch (WE GOT A GILBERT PORCH SCENE AGAIN!) from the moment Elena drank the cure until Stefan called about a gazillion times.” - That I agree about. That scene was GORGEOUS. I loved it. I loved everything about it, Damon's speech, everything. Too bad it all got nullified at the end of the episode. It's like Elena got her memories back but forgot what Damon told her earlier that day, about being ready for reality. I guess that last scene bothered me most and I'd be fine with the rest of the episode... sans the scene of Elena getting her memories back, because that was just shockingly bad.

”they can give us scenes of Bonnie and Damon being mean, manipulative and hurtful to one another, but not Damon calling Bonnie up, pouring his heart and soul out to her, her being his listening board and there for him? OK then, cool.” - I'm actually glad they didn't make us listen to that but I'm not going to elaborate. I need to get up in 4 hours and I'm yet to go to sleep lol

”When he told Jo that she and the babies were all he cared about, I was like duh!” - And could we please talk about him stealing the “you are my life” line? Did the writers do that on purpose? Forgot that they gave it to DE in S5? Or just couldn't come up with a way to re-word the sentiment this time around?

”Because he doesn't realize that the world does not revolve around him and that not everything is about him.” - But he was past that already! He was making progress! Where's that progress??

”Definitive proof that even as a human, yuppers, Elena loves Damon! AHA!!!!” - I can't even rejoice in that, because it's the least they could do at this point, to state the obvious to appease us a little.

”I have faith!” - I'm really happy for you, but like I said, I'm out. I'm too heartbroken and nothing short of a miracle could make me watch S7 on a weekly basis. Maybe I'm also ready for a bit of reality, at last.

I'm sorry if that was one bitter commentary and not a very coherent one at that, but I'm literally falling asleep over the keyboard.

I hope we'll keep in touch no matter what ♥ ♥ ♥

ETA: I'm feeling a little better about 6x20 after watching 6x21, go figure ;) I'm still quitting the show after the finale, but I LOVED 6x21 and maybe DE will get a closure they deserve, even if it will be a tragic one. I guess I just wasn't prepared for this journey to end that suddenly and that's the reason for most of my negative-ish feelings about certain things. Anyway. 6x21 was gorgeous, soooo I'm less depressed but even more heartbroken lol

Edited at 2015-05-08 03:38 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena49arabian on May 10th, 2015 11:40 am (UTC)
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That I agree about. That scene was GORGEOUS. I loved it. I loved everything about it, Damon's speech, everything.

OK, I'm confused. That *was* Elena getting her memories back. So how was it poorly done exactly? That was it. That was her getting her memories back. But you just talked about how badly done it was. Yet, it was GORGEOUS?

Too bad it all got nullified at the end of the episode.

But it wasn't nullified at all!

It's like Elena got her memories back but forgot what Damon told her earlier that day, about being ready for reality.

No, not at all, Elena just confirmed her love for Damon. She was sacrificing what she wanted most of all by giving him what she thought HE wanted which was not to be human, no matter how much he loved her.

I guess that last scene bothered me most and I'd be fine with the rest of the episode... sans the scene of Elena getting her memories back, because that was just shockingly bad.

But you just said it was GORGEOUS! Because what I described (D/E on the porch until Stefan called was "Elena getting her memories back!")

And could we please talk about him stealing the “you are my life” line? Did the writers do that on purpose? Forgot that they gave it to DE in S5?

Really? I FORGOT Damon said that line specifically! Probably because I've heard so many different actors recite that line in so many different shows, in so many different movies, read it in so many different books, etc. It's not an UNCOMMON romantic line. The writers didn't "steal" it from Damon to Alaric. They just took a commonly used romantic line that a guy/girl uses on their significant other. But if you want to make it show-specific? Sure. Say, Damon told Alaric about that speech... or better yet, Other Side!Ghost Alaric happened to be watching Damon and Elena at that moment, liked Damon's speech and saved that one up for later use. It's a good line. I mean, honestly, Kate, it seems like you're just looking for things to complain about.

”Because he doesn't realize that the world does not revolve around him and that not everything is about him.” - But he was past that already! He was making progress! Where's that progress??

Are you kidding me? That's a core tenet of Stefan Salvatore's personality. That is NEVER going away. That's like thinking that Damon's arrogance is going to go away. It's not about progress. That would take a complete personality transplant to go away.

”Definitive proof that even as a human, yuppers, Elena loves Damon! AHA!!!!” - I can't even rejoice in that, because it's the least they could do at this point, to state the obvious to appease us a little.

Appease us a little?!?!? Because the proposal wasn't appeasement? Or bringing the Gilbert porch back wasn't appeasement? Or having Elena talk about their future wasn't appeasement? Or the many wonderful scenes with the sweet/sexy kisses wasn't appeasement? Or the non-stop, all-season long DAMON AND ELENA ARE THE ABSOLUTE, MOST IN LOVE COUPLE OF ALL TIME CAN YOU FEEL IT! BABY wasn't appeasement? Or the hero-carry one more time wasn't appeasement? Or Damon bringing up the first time he kissed her wasn't appeasement? Or giving us part of their first date wasn't appeasement? Shall I go on? I mean, seriously!?!

I'm too heartbroken and nothing short of a miracle could make me watch S7 on a weekly basis. Maybe I'm also ready for a bit of reality, at last.

You REALLY should not have watched any of these episodes post hearing the Nina news as upset as you were because these last four have been CHOCKFUL of Damon/Elena goodness and have just been freaking awesome and instead you are just full of so much heartbreak and bitterness that you are missing out so dramatically and I don't know if you'll ever be able to recapture the joy of their awesome it even if you do rewatch the episodes.

TBC

Edited at 2015-05-10 12:03 pm (UTC)
Florencia: DE (Death Shall Not Do Us Part)florencia7 on May 17th, 2015 08:50 pm (UTC)
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"OK, I'm confused. That *was* Elena getting her memories back. So how was it poorly done exactly? That was it. That was her getting her memories back. But you just talked about how badly done it was. Yet, it was GORGEOUS?" - The scene on the porch was gorgeous. The "I'm ready for reality" exchange was gorgeous. I just expected more from the sequence of Elena's memories coming back to her.

"Or the hero-carry one more time wasn't appeasement?" - Don't get me started on that subject lol

"I don't know if you'll ever be able to recapture the joy of their awesome it even if you do rewatch the episodes." - Don't worry, I will ;)
Arabian: Damon & Elena45arabian on May 10th, 2015 11:41 am (UTC)
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I hope we'll keep in touch no matter what ♥ ♥ ♥

So do I. I hope that you're able to rewatch this over the summer and see that you really did let your heartbreak completely cloud your view of these episodes so big-time. Because they were just glorious, lovely gifts to Damon/Elena fans. (Stupid, stupid, stupid crewmember!)

ETA: I'm feeling a little better about 6x20 after watching 6x21, go figure ;) I'm still quitting the show after the finale, but I LOVED 6x21 and maybe DE will get a closure they deserve, even if it will be a tragic one. I guess I just wasn't prepared for this journey to end that suddenly and that's the reason for most of my negative-ish feelings about certain things. Anyway. 6x21 was gorgeous, soooo I'm less depressed but even more heartbroken lol

I think quitting the show is a mistake because I do believe that next season, Elena will be very much present as Damon and the others will be fighting to bring her back from whatever situation she's been put in. I just don't understand how anyone who loved the show and D/E as much as you have could turn on it like this. Especially when it's continued to be so good. Nina wanted to leave; it's not Julie Plec or Caroline Dries' fault and based on everything I've seen this season and especially this last batch of episodes it appears that they have done everything possible to set it up that even without her, they are keeping the Damon/Elena love story true and strong and the characters and story going as they have been lain out all throughout the series. It feels like you're blaming them for an actress wanting to move on despite the fact they are keeping the couple alive by all appearances and giving us EVERYTHING we could possibly dream of still. I don't get it.
Florencia: DE (Forever)florencia7 on May 17th, 2015 02:28 pm (UTC)
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"I think quitting the show is a mistake" - At least it's not an irreparable one! ;) If I hear awesome things about it I can still binge-watch the entire season next summer. I just don't want to watch it on a weekly basis anymore without knowing what's coming. That'd be too painful for me.

"It feels like you're blaming them for an actress wanting to move on" - No, not at all. I'm TOTALLY fine with Nina's decision. I'm a quitter (in a good sense of the word) myself. I love moving on. I respect her for making that choice, I think it was a brave one and I hope all of her dreams come true. The only thing I'm "blaming" the writers for is not devoting this season to DE as much as they could have, not writing all those scenes they could've written and not writing certain scenes beautifully enough. That's all.
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tj2013tj2013 on May 8th, 2015 10:42 am (UTC)
I liked this episode a lot. And hm... maybe your theory of how it all goes down with Damon and Elena will be correct. And it makes sense that Stefan has to find his own place too, before Damon can leave him.

Please, if not this season, then next season - more Bonnie-Damon-friendship scenes. Pretty please?

Oh man, yes, the hero-carry, the porch, the score... loved it.

Jo? I. Don't. Care. Sorry show.

Don't worry about posting late, we're happy to read your thoughts no matter when. Well, not entirely, LOL, but we all appreciate the work and time you put into this! On to the last two episodes!!!!

Arabian: Damon13arabian on May 10th, 2015 09:20 am (UTC)
I liked this episode a lot. And hm... maybe your theory of how it all goes down with Damon and Elena will be correct. And it makes sense that Stefan has to find his own place too, before Damon can leave him.

Yup, it really does make sense, I think.

Please, if not this season, then next season - more Bonnie-Damon-friendship scenes. Pretty please?

Fingers crossed!

Oh man, yes, the hero-carry, the porch, the score... loved it.

I know, right?!?!?

Jo? I. Don't. Care. Sorry show.

Sorry, not sorry.

Don't worry about posting late, we're happy to read your thoughts no matter when. Well, not entirely, LOL, but we all appreciate the work and time you put into this! On to the last two episodes!!!!

Hah, "well, not entirely, LOL!" HAHAHA! I was really late. I am sorry. I did much better the next week!
jairem08jairem08 on May 9th, 2015 04:35 pm (UTC)
I keep thinking how great an experience this would all be had we not known about Nina's departure.
I do block it out when I watch but still at the end it always hits.
I'm trying to absorb as much DE as possible. I will have to re watch all episodes after we hiatus when we found out. It took me while to catch up. But i'm ok and choose to trust the creators. Still do. Though my heart is ready for the worst.
Thank you for your write up and positivity.
Arabian: Damon & Elena50arabian on May 10th, 2015 09:13 am (UTC)
I keep thinking how great an experience this would all be had we not known about Nina's departure.

Yup! Stupid crewmmeber!

I do block it out when I watch but still at the end it always hits.

Yeah. :(

I'm trying to absorb as much DE as possible. I will have to re watch all episodes after we hiatus when we found out. It took me while to catch up. But i'm ok and choose to trust the creators. Still do. Though my heart is ready for the worst.

I just don't think it's necessary. Elena will be in some kind of captivity, prison, coma, spell, whatever, but at the end of season 07... she'll be back and Damon and Elena will be reunited. I have no doubt.

Thank you for your write up and positivity.

No problem! :D