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17 April 2015 @ 06:10 am
6.18 - 'I Never Could Love Like That' (The Vampire Diaries)  
FINALLY! After what feels like FOREVER!, The Vampire Diaries is finally back. Wheee! Thoughts behind the cut, including thoughts on that very, very upsetting departure announcement. *sigh* Spoiler Alert: I'm still kinda numb about it. Yeah. But Positive. But Numb. I don't think there's a word for that combination. If there is, I'm it.

Let's rip the band-aid off and deal with the big ole elephant right off the bat. Yeah, so some lame-ass crewmember decided to post a stupid hashtag about missing Nina Dobrev and let the cat out of the bag no doubt way earlier than anyone involved with the show intended. The cat being, of course, that Nina Dobrev will be leaving The Vampire Diaries after season 06. I am still (even over nearly two weeks later) a tad numb. Going into this episode, still numb, watching the episode and afterwards talking about it with friends, yup, still numb.

And I'm really, really upset with that crewmember for spilling the beans prematurely. Instead of focusing fully on the episode as I would have and just enjoying the awesome before me, I am frustrated because I want more Damon and Elena. I couldn't enjoy Damon and Elena cute and cuddly in their matching towels in *their* bathroom because I couldn't console myself with the idea that we'd probably get a bathtub or shower scene next season… because I know that even though we almost definitely will get Nina Dobrev in some episodes next season, she won't be a series regular. Therefore the likelihood of bathtub scenes or shower scenes or all of those nonessential, but wished-for Damon and Elena scenes that we all wanted just because are likely not going to happen now because there isn't time anymore.

*sigh*

So instead of focusing on the show and the plots and the good, cool character stuff, and the great Damon/Lily stuff—which there was tons of—and the good Elena character stuff which solidified what I've been saying about Elena lately—I couldn't help but think: I WANT DAMON AND ELENA SCENES! And it's all because of that stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid crewmember! Damnit!

*Ahem*

As for Elena and what Nina Dobrev's series regular departure means… well, it all makes sense now, doesn't it? Why Elena hasn't felt so much like the lead character this season past the first eight episodes or so. And in retrospect, it's also obvious as to why the death of Liz {{sobs}} was written as *such* a huge story. It wasn't just because it touched upon so much character development and pushed so many plots forward—which it did. It also began transitioning Caroline towards the show's female lead because clearly she's going to be it. (Although, frankly, I'd like to see Bonnie get a bigger role as well, thank you very much, as much as I adore me some Caroline. Hopefully that will begin happening sooner rather than later.)

Also, I wonder if the whole deal with Elena's memories and their coming back is tied into Dobrev's signing or not. Murmurings appear to indicate that there was hope that she would change her mind up through December. If that's the case then perhaps Elena won't in fact get her memories back after all. *sad sigh* In that case, it would fall in line with what I wrote in the last episode about Elena and the cure.

We already know that an Elena with her memories would reject it. She chose an eternity with Damon over a human lifetime if he's not human as well in season 04. However, that's an Elena who loves Damon bone/soul/heart deep, who considers him her soulmate. And this Elena may love Damon, but he's still only a guy she's been dating for about three to four months and under the wall of the compulsion she may feel the pulse of that soulmate connection but she doesn't actually connect to it right now because the memories aren't there. So *this* Elena would likely take the cure. And this episode certainly seemed to confirm that.

With Nina Dobrev leaving the show (as a series regular—wait. Hold up a sec…I know that I keep stressing that, but it's because Julie Plec specifically stated that Nina Dobrev wouldn't be a series regular next season implying that she would return and honestly I figured as much myself. As I was saying… with Nina Dobrev leaving the show as a series regular, I could see Elena taking the cure (perhaps getting stuck in the 1903 prison world. We would see her only in a few episodes throughout the season, while in present day, the others are fighting the Heretics—no way that's *not* gonna be a problem and just going to be handled in four episodes!—and trying to get back to Elena. Come the end of season 07, they're able to get back to Elena, and ooh! lookee, she's gotten to the 1903 cure, Damon takes it and voila!, they're human together and they leave Mystic Falls. Or something like that.

My point is that perhaps because I'm numb and the pain hasn't sunk in yet—although, yeah a wee bit began to seep through while talking to my friends tonight—I am still positive. Even with Elena taking the cure, even with Nina Dobrev leaving the show after this season, and I believe obviously coming back for an episode here and there, I still have complete faith in The Vampire Diaries, and I still have complete faith in Damon and Elena and that they are each other's absolute endgame. There is simply no way that their love story would have been written the way it was this season had the intention been any other. Period. Full stop. End of.

OK. No gifs tonight. Remember: Numb. But on with the show…

You know I want to say that Damon was out of character for not telling Elena about the cure, I really, really do (because my, oh, so favorite writers wrote this episode!). I mean, after all, the last time that Damon was handed the cure for Elena—and he had a way, way bigger reason to think that Elena would drop any chance of them and head straight to Stefan or anyone else then. Alas, I can't. It really was totally in character. I tend to crow a lot about how selfless Damon is when it comes to Elena because generally, almost always, nine out of ten times, he totally, totally is… except when he isn't.

Like when he force-fed her his blood because he didn't care if it wasn't his right to do so and it wasn't his choice to make, damnit, he wanted her in his life, so he was going to keep her there. It was what he wanted. Would it save her? Yes. But she had a plan… a fairly good one (because Elijah could in that instance be trusted). It was her choice; she didn't want to be a vampire, but Damon didn't care. He was being selfish and he didn't care because he wanted to be sure. Didn't care what anyone else wanted. So, yeah, he's had his moments. They're rare, but they've happened when it comes to her.

And this is a different situation than when he first was given the cure. Then, he and Elena had truly only been together for the one night before they found out about the sirebond. But now? She's been his girlfriend, and there's been intimacy and security in their love for quite a while (especially for him). To lose that would just be devastating for him… especially when he just came back from nearly losing her and them to death, and then an alternate reality, and then her lost memories… before finally getting her back. So, yeah, the idea that he could possibly lose her… again to being human is something he's just not ready to face. And then on top of it, the reminder of the two other most important women in his life that he's loved, oh, yeah, they left him! It's… well, it's definitely not out of character.

Do I think he'll keep it from her for much longer? No. Am I afraid that Lily might be a major beeyotch and spill? Possibly, if she finds out that Damon has no intention of sending her back to 1903 for her "family." So Damon better figure that out and tell Elena before Psycho!Mama Salvatore realizes that Damon lied to her.

Speaking of Psycho!Mama Salvatore… hmm, so they really just went the route of mama don't care, huh? I was not expecting that. I have to say I also was not expecting her talking-to to Stefan to bring his humanity back to work so well and so quickly too. However, I totally should have. It was a Damon-plan that had no interference from anyone, so *of course* it would work. Of course! And it did. Very nicely done.

Damon would know exactly the right things that needed to be said to get Stefan back, all the right phrases, all the key notes to hit to bring his baby brother back and Lily is a good enough actress that she was able to pull it off perfectly. That, unfortunately, is worrisome… and I hope that Damon picks up on that. Because she was very, very good at playing the convincingly loving mother who missed her son but we (and Damon) knows it's a lie. And if she's that good at pretending, just how much has she been pretending since Damon found her? Huh? Especially considering what we learned about the Heretics.

Ooh, the Heretics. I love this show. Three things:

1. This is one of the things that I love about The Vampire Diaries. They don't just pull new bad guys out of thin air. The issues, the big bads come from the mythology that's already built into the show. The Originals came from Klaus; Klaus came from Katherine's past. Katherine came from the history of the Salvatores and as the look-a-like of Elena that they once loved. The Travelers came from the history of the doppelgangers. The Other Side was built from the first season and strongly tied in with the Bennett witches and was tied into so much of all of the above and when the Gemini coven came along, it was tied into the Bennett witches thus tying it into the mythology and history of the show.

And now we have these Heretics who are tied into Gemini coven and witches and vampires and are now building onto our expanding mythology. And right away they touched upon the question everyone would be asking. How can a witch be a vampire and a reasonable loophole is provided. They can siphon magic like Kai—a witch we've already met so we understand that kind of power—therefore it's a constant source of siphoning of magic. Does it make sense when you really think about it? No. But do vampires make sense when you really think about it? No. Does anything supernatural make sense when you really think about it? No. The Vampire Diaries just has their own brand of mythology and creates their own rules and sticks to them, they just build upon them and create loopholes that make sense (as much sense as supernatural rules can make) within *their* mythology. I love it.

2. For all of those people who were complaining that it was so stupid that the Gemini Coven would go after one Ripper vampire and it made no sense… I go back to what I always say (and this is not to my commenters just to general nitpicky, annoying TVD haters!), this is not a one episode, one arc, one season show. You watch the whole thing and don't expect instant gratification… the answers are coming.

Here, we got the answer. They didn't create the 1903 prison world for Lily Salvatore; she just got caught up with her "family." It was created for her family: the Heretics.

3. Speaking of… so, yeah, that's cool. As I said during my whole "Nina Dobrev is leaving spiel" they (plus possibly Psycho!Mama Salvatore) are totes going to be some part of the season 07 big bads, aren't they, right? I mean, there's no way our gang is going to be able to handle this lot in four episodes, right? I figure by season's end, at least a few of them will make their way over to present day (and possibly Elena will get stuck there). We'll see.

What we did see that I really liked was Enzo (or rather "Lorenzo!") before he was turned. I thought that Michael Malarkey did a lovely job as pre-vampire Enzo. I really felt for him, especially in the first scene when he was trying to get onto the boat and that ticket-guy wouldn't let him and he was all "But, look, I bought a ticket!" and he was so desperate. Just really a lovely job. And when he was sick and dying and Lily was comforting him and taking care of him, I kept thinking of how Enzo told Sarah that Lily was the most dreadful person he'd ever met and yet she didn't seem dreadful at all. She took care of him, seems to have killed him neatly and then left him food to turn… but then once the story is over you realize that she scarred him just as Damon was scarred.

Enzo considers her so dreadful because she was so kind, because she took such good care of him. She promised him a family and then deserted him. Of course, we know that she and the Heretics were taken away to the 1903 prison world so she probably did intend to take Enzo into their family. So I have to wonder now what will happen when he finds out the full story… will he forgive her, will he be on her side against Damon? Or he will be team!Damon?

Either way, the fleshing out, rounding out of Enzo (finally!) was fantastic. The flashback scenes and the present-day scenes were all great. Malarkey and Tristin Mays (Sarah) have great chemistry. I loved that final moment when he rushed up close to her and said "Have nice life, Sarah Nelson," letting her make the choice to leave or stay. And I just like the relationship that is building between them. How he did try and get her out of the whole mess, compelling her to forget everything in the car and then being honest with her about his past. There's an openness between the two that really works. I like.

I also continue to like—no, I lie—I *love* Stefan and Caroline. Good or bad, they are so darn right. I mean, the whole bet over scaring a guy to death. So wrong, but their cute little banter over it, so very right! But, man, I wanted to see Stefan doing karaoke, LOL! Still, I loved that Stefan compelled all the patrons of the bar to listen attentively to Caroline singing. That's love, baby! Hahaha!

He also knew the final answer to Caroline trivia (sure, he was there when it happened so, yeah, cheating a bit, but hey, Caroline cheated in the ‘scare a guy a death' game). Oh, and, YES! Stefan called out Tyler for being a jerk when he was with Caroline. Yes! Yes! Yes! Go, Stefan! (Glad someone finally did! Although, Matt was pretty douchey too.)

Also, in the go, Stefan department? That he decided to forgo the browbeating and gnashing of teeth in the guilt-department in order to go after Caroline. See? Caroline makes him so the better person. During his Elena-days, he would be doing the whole guilt thing… he never put Elena first. He always put himself and his whole martyr act first. A-L-W-A-Y-S! But now? He puts Caroline first. Again, that's love, baby!

You know what else is love? Damon and Elena. Damon may be being selfish, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't love her. He really, really does. He just doesn't want to lose her because he does love her so much. That final scene with them… guh! Elena so sweetly telling him that she wants the family and the human life, but since she can't have it, it's OK because she also wants forever with him. Yet, it's so obvious that having the eternity part is second choice. She wants to be human. And Damon knows that. He knows that and he's fooling himself right now to believe otherwise because he desperately does not want to lose her and having Lily there as a walking reminder of yet another woman who deserted him is not helping matters. But he'll do the right thing in the end. He will.

Because he loves her.

Okay, four gifs.

 
 

Alrighty then, randoms…

- As I said above, I liked getting Enzo's backstory finally, but I do wish that we'd gotten it sooner if only because it did make Enzo feel more like a real boy and it would have been nice to get that, well, sooner. However, bringing Lily into it was very interesting and I liked that touch. Erm, but I think they changed the backstory a tad, didn't they? Wasn't he turned by a doctor during a war? I could have sworn that was the story, but I can't remember which episode that information was in for the life of me to verify.

- When it comes to Damon and Matt, you know that I will grasp at any straw… Damon let Tyler drive his car to take Matt to the hospital to save him! And instinctively he knew that Matt would not want vampire blood. Uh huh! Hey! It's something!

- Oh, Matty. I get where he's coming from and I do think that this is an interesting tack they are taking with him and it does make the most sense looking at his character arc. However, man, it's painful seeing him being so hard and drawing this hard line with the people who love him because the bottom line is that is what he's doing. These are not just "vampires," these are people who love him and/or care about him at least. And for the most part these are people who are there and have been there for him.

Yes, he has died lots or almost died lots… but ALL of them and they have suffered as much or more than him. Something is going to have to give because he's still not walking the walk/talking the talk. It's not about saying "I hate vampires" and then accepting their help, i.e., taking their blood. You can't say you hate vampires and then use their car to go the hospital. You can't say you hate vampires and then take their hand and call one /all of them your friend. You either hate vampires or you don't. There are good people and there are bad people. There are good vampires and there are bad vampires. Same difference.

Matt needs to figure that out. I'm telling ya, something is going to happen that is going to remind him of that reality because he has forgotten that very real fact. Still love you, Matty Blue-Blue, but, yeah, reality checks are gonna come and hit you upside the head soon, my sweetie.

- I mentioned above in my whining about I WANT LOTS AND LOTS OF DAMON AND ELENA ALL THE TIME EVERY SECOND DURING THE VAMPIRE DIARIES, SHOW, FROM NOW ON UNTIL THE END OF SEASON 06, AHEM! that I did think the Damon and Lily scenes were good, and I did think they were. I touched upon this briefly while writing about Damon and Elena (ALL THE TIME, EVERY SECOND, SHOW!), but I wanted to spend a bit more time upon them. I had mentioned in the last episode, her first appearance, that Damon was so mean to her and so cold, but now one has to once again give the guy his due because his instincts were spot-on. She was pretending and just putting on a show.

Lordy, imagine if Damon had actually done what Elena suggested and allowed himself to hope and had opened up to her, allowed himself to believe that the mother he loved was still in there. But the cynical, smart Damon couldn't let go of the fact that she never came to see them even after knowing that they were vampires for all those years. Sadly, though, we found out that he did buy her story that she had changed and he thought that she was at least coming to them. And we saw that pain, that hurt that he had shoved deep down while the cynicism had ridden high since he'd seen her finally come to the fore... but then he put the one who mattered first: Stefan.

And I loved the flashback to Damon telling her what to say as she was saying those words to Stefan. I wrote above that Damon knew exactly what to say to get Stefan to turn his humanity on because Lily may have hurt Damon because deep down he wanted the mother he loved to still be there, but it was past-tense. Right now, today, this was about the brother he loves, present-tense. And that was beautiful to behold and you could see Damon's true heart reflected in those quick flashbacks.

- No Bonnie is NOT cool. Not at all.

- Blech! Jo! I'm sorry, show, but you can't make her happen. It's not going to happen, like ever! Can't she just die? Pretty please?!

- Per my LJ-cut (and it's so true)... Ian Somerhalder looked REALLY good in this episode. Really, he did. (Admittedly, this happens often. Ian Somerhalder looking REALLY good in an episode.)

So, I mentioned early on that these were my favorite writers sarcastically (the writers are Chad Fiveash and James Stoteraux who have written my least favorite episodes this season, are new to the show and tend to write some wildly out of characters actions for some of the characters). However, I didn't feel that any of the characters were out of step at all in this episode. I thought it was a really strong one in fact, but it was just one that I couldn't fully enjoy because, yeah, I was numb and I want all the Damon and Elena I can get now (grr, stupid, stupid, stupid crewmember!). But, really it was a great episode and I love, love, love the new mythology added of the Heretics. I think that is so cool! On with next week when hopefully the numbness will have faded.
 
 
 
k_stjamesk_stjames on April 17th, 2015 04:30 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you; Nina leaving impacted how I watched and enjoyed the episode. It also made me aware of how little involvement she’s really had overall this season as it went on and got me nitpicking over everything I didn't care about (in my opinion the overly long Stefan/Caroline no emotions game). Plus there is part of me that wonders if they knew she wasn't staying and clearly made the effort to establish Caroline more (and I agree with you about Bonnie), then I think we needed more DE. While so of the memory-less Elena realizations about Damon (and herself) have been great, I still didn't see or understand how she went from hating him to suddenly fine, I get that the memories are pushing against the compulsion but having yet to see Elena have a real meaningful conversation with anyone about why she’s suddenly fine or struggling to understand why she feels who she feels makes me feel robbed or shortchanged. I was really looking forward to some Elena/Bonnie scenes when she returned of her talking to her BFF about these conflicting emotions for Damon despite the compulsion and I expected something from a now sympathetic Bonnie to influence the first ILYs. I watched the whole thing with this running clock in my head of how few episodes exist before Nina’s gone in some capacity because I agree she’s be back next season in some form to help wrap things up.

Damon’s heartbreak over what a failure Lily was as a mother was painful and Ian just sold it and subsequent fairy tale for Stefan so well. It was so unfair that Stefan got that hug from his seemingly loving mother while Damon watched from the sidelines. I wonder just how difficult it will be for Stefan to believe that Lily isn’t who he now thinks she is and how that may play out with her mission to free her freaky witch/vampire family. And if that causes the twins father to come back I’m all for it and I used to love watching him portray Cain on One Life to Live.

I really liked Damon struggle with the cure and how they had Elena approaching Jo’s maternity news because Elena with her memories would not be reacting the same way. Also I wonder if what Elena is experiencing is something that all new vampires experience in relation to key life milestones until they’ve been around for a while and more settled into life.

I liked the Enzo / Sarah bits but could they be dragging them on any more? I feel like I’ve waited forever for Enzo to get a storyline and a reason for being around. Plus, at what point will Damon learn about Sarah and have it means something / tie back to his prison world guilt? And I don’t wait Enzo to be loyal to Lily, I want him firmly in Damon’s corner when that mess blows up.

I liked where they went with Matt, but I hate that it’s being used as justification for causing Elena doubts as opposed to just being about Matt and the shitty hand Mystic Falls has dealt him.

I think it would have had more impact to me if Elena learned about the baby from Alaric as opposed to Jo who I still don’t care about. Given her history with Alaric and his desire to protect and watch out for his pseudo daughter it would have been more of an emotional punch coming from him as opposed to this random character.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Arabian: Damon & Elena07arabian on April 20th, 2015 06:16 am (UTC)
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I didn't care about (in my opinion the overly long Stefan/Caroline no emotions game).

And this is where we do differ. I do still greatly care about pretty much every aspect of the show--except for Jo and Alaric. And, of course, I adore, adore, adore me some Stefan and Caroline desperately and I am beyond loving how the S/C no emotions. Nor do I think it's even remotely overly long. Stefan's ran nearly 3/4s of a season, and Elena 7 episodes (plus another 2 hating Katherine). Caroline's has been four episodes including this one and one of those was literally about three seconds of her last scene, so really only three episodes and chances are fairly good it will be over next episode. And, of those 7 Elena episodes, all but one (the backdoor pilot for The Originals), the episodes were pretty much ALL ABOUT ELENA and her switch being off and how they were going to deal with it. Other than the first episode after her switch, then Stefan's was flipped, these four three episodes, the flipped switch has been the C story, and even that one where that story was the bigger one, it was almost evenly matched with another big story going on too. Just saying.

Plus there is part of me that wonders if they knew she wasn't staying and clearly made the effort to establish Caroline more (and I agree with you about Bonnie), then I think we needed more DE.

Oh, they knew going back to last summer that Nina wasn't staying, but they were probably trying to get her to re-sign up through December. I agree re: more Damon/Elena, but three things:

1. We care only (in some cases), mostly (in other cases), especially (in my case) about Damon, Elena and Damon/Elena... but the producers/writers HAVE to care about the OVERALL show and so frankly they had to start phasing Damon/Elena and Elena out. I HATE IT, but from a production/writing point of view... it makes sense.

2. We do still have four episodes left. We may still get some great Damon/Elena stuff. We don't know that there are some amazing scenes yet to come. It is certainly possible. The season is not over yet. As far as I read the show, everything that we've gotten with Damon/Elena, storywise, makes sense to me. I don't have a problem with it.

3. I have ZERO doubt that we are GOING TO GET Nina Dobrev next season. Obviously not every episode, not even a lot of episodes, but we're gonna see Elena again... enough to get some good Damon/Elena, some good Elena... and most importantly... to get our Damon/Elena endgame. I am completely convinced of that. And before we get that, we'll get some good scenes. I am not worried on that count, at all.

While so of the memory-less Elena realizations about Damon (and herself) have been great, I still didn't see or understand how she went from hating him to suddenly fine

It made perfect sense to me. Elena is a logical person, she makes sense of things. Obviously Damon was not the person he was who did only horrible things. Elena is also a RIDICULOUSLY forgiving person. It wasn't just Stefan and Damon that she forgave--despite Elena-haters claiming so. She forgave Bonnie and Caroline and Tyler for things they did. Hell, she went to dying Katherine's bedside to end things on a peaceful note because that is who Elena is. Alaric was Damon's best friend. Stefan was on good terms with Damon. Jeremy was obviously fine with him. Everyone was clearly fine and dandy with Damon. So obviously the Damon she has memories of is not who Damon is now *especially* since the timeline would clearly be off since all of the bad stuff she would have remembered took place so long ago. In addition to that, as I've said in past write-ups, instinctively she KNOWS that she loves this guy. She KNOWS that he means SO MUCH to her.

When he was in danger, she was frantic contacting Alaric, she was driving like a mad woman, she *had* to get her memories back. Out on a date with Liam, she basically ignored him to spend time with Damon, left Liam at the party without a word to leave with Damon, risked dying to get her memories back, and yes, went from hating him to falling for him at an accelerated rate... BECAUSE the love is there, it hasn't gone away, it's just locked behind a wall of compulsion.

TBC

Edited at 2015-04-20 06:19 am (UTC)
Arabian: Alaric03arabian on April 20th, 2015 06:17 am (UTC)
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I get that the memories are pushing against the compulsion but having yet to see Elena have a real meaningful conversation with anyone about why she’s suddenly fine or struggling to understand why she feels who she feels makes me feel robbed or shortchanged.

But if she had needed to do any of that stuff, I would have been upset because it would have shown Elena struggling with her feelings and that was the whole point the show was making with her "falling in love with him" so quickly. She wasn't falling in love with him... she was STILL in love with him. She never fell out of love with him. That was the point. Their love is so strong, her love for him was so strong was that just being with him that even without her memories, all it took was being with him and the force of their love was stronger than the compulsion. She may not remember the specifics, but the love was still there. The point was that there WAS no struggle. She didn't need to talk to anyone because the answers were all in her heart already. She loved this man, memories or not... she loved Damon. Period. That was the point.

I was really looking forward to some Elena/Bonnie scenes when she returned of her talking to her BFF about these conflicting emotions for Damon despite the compulsion and I expected something from a now sympathetic Bonnie to influence the first ILYs.

I admit that I am missing the Bonnie/Elena scenes; that is a complaint I'll agree with. :(

I watched the whole thing with this running clock in my head of how few episodes exist before Nina’s gone in some capacity because I agree she’s be back next season in some form to help wrap things up.

Yup, but I think we'll see her more than just at the end.

Damon’s heartbreak over what a failure Lily was as a mother was painful and Ian just sold it and subsequent fairy tale for Stefan so well.

Yes, yes, yes!

And if that causes the twins father to come back I’m all for it and I used to love watching him portray Cain on One Life to Live.

Ah, that's who he is!! I knew I recognized his name and face, but I couldn't place it. Thank you!

I really liked Damon struggle with the cure and how they had Elena approaching Jo’s maternity news because Elena with her memories would not be reacting the same way.

Agreed, I just wish I gave a damn about Jo and didn't dislike her so. Ugh. It came across more like Jo was lecturing her. I just don't feel a connection at all between Jo and ANY of these characters. Honestly, Liv was the only one I thought she created any connection with. I'm still not sure how she and Alaric are having a baby because I certainly don't buy that they've had sex. I buy that Alaric and Damon have had sex before I buy him and Jo doing the deed.

I liked the Enzo / Sarah bits but could they be dragging them on any more?

I honestly think it feels like it's dragging because it's only now that Enzo is beginning to feel like a real character and while Sarah is so very pretty she hasn't really connected yet alas.

Plus, at what point will Damon learn about Sarah and have it means something / tie back to his prison world guilt?

Hopefully soon!

And I don’t wait Enzo to be loyal to Lily, I want him firmly in Damon’s corner when that mess blows up.

Oh, me too, but you know there was a reason they brought that into play.

I liked where they went with Matt, but I hate that it’s being used as justification for causing Elena doubts as opposed to just being about Matt and the shitty hand Mystic Falls has dealt him.

But I liked that because it's tying the story together instead of having the lack of connection.

I think it would have had more impact to me if Elena learned about the baby from Alaric as opposed to Jo who I still don’t care about.

Agreed.

Given her history with Alaric and his desire to protect and watch out for his pseudo daughter it would have been more of an emotional punch coming from him as opposed to this random character.

Random character who should die. Because she sucks. And, yeah, so agree about Alaric and Elena. Yes. And Jo should die. Now.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Thanks for commenting. :)
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on April 17th, 2015 07:19 pm (UTC)
I think we are all numb. It doesn’t seem conceivable that they would consider continuing the show without Elena, but that is the nature of TV unfortunately; this isn’t the first time nor will it be the last. There will be a massive void without Elena, I don't want to think about it, but I will be watching.

To be fair to the crew member, the slip really just confirmed rumours that had refused to go away and had started up again when Nina bought the house in LA and moved out of Atlanta (as I heard in passing, I assume it’s true). Still, Nina leaving does make sense of a lot of things that have happened this season. There’s been a definite sense of the show winding down and tying up loose ends. You far more positive than I am that she will be back for the occasional episode, the way they are talking about wrapping up Elena’s story, I’m not so sure. I think she will end up in 1903 as well.

At least you are getting rid of Trevino.

My enjoyment of the show wasn’t spoiled by all this though, the episode managed to do that all by itself with – sorry - the dreadful first flashback, Michael Malarkey the exception, after misspelling Southampton and the dire accent of the Steward. After all that wanting to know about Enzo’s history, the bits that bothered me are still not explained! Why is he called Lorenzo?!!!! What is his surname? I need to see the episode again because I couldn’t understand half the dialogue.

From The Cell:
Damon: Dr. Whitmore was working in a battlefield hospital when he discovered Enzo was a vampire, so he drugged him, locked him in a coffin to ship him overseas.

Damon only has himself to blame re the cure. If he didn’t want to give it to Elena, then why did he try to find it?
Arabian: Damon15arabian on April 20th, 2015 07:05 am (UTC)
It doesn’t seem conceivable that they would consider continuing the show without Elena, but that is the nature of TV unfortunately; this isn’t the first time nor will it be the last.

I do think that (at least next season) Elena will still be a part of the show in spirit and occasional appearances including towards the wrap-up of the season, but if there are seasons after that? That's when we'll see what they do.

There will be a massive void without Elena, I don't want to think about it, but I will be watching.

Ditto.

To be fair to the crew member, the slip really just confirmed rumours that had refused to go away and had started up again when Nina bought the house in LA and moved out of Atlanta (as I heard in passing, I assume it’s true).

Ian has a house in LA, so does Paul. When Nina and Ian were openly together, they bought a new place in Venice, CA together during season 03. She hasn't sold her loft in Atlanta. She's an actress who's trying to get her career going and just got really good buzz for her last role. People were just stirring up rumors because it was season 06. People were also starting rumors that Ian hadn't re-signed too and those had been circulating big-time as well. So no, no in-fairness to the crewmember. She screwed up. Period.

Still, Nina leaving does make sense of a lot of things that have happened this season. There’s been a definite sense of the show winding down and tying up loose ends.

I don't see it that way, I mean, I see it in terms of Elena transitioning from a lead to Caroline, but I still see story elsewhere.

You far more positive than I am that she will be back for the occasional episode, the way they are talking about wrapping up Elena’s story, I’m not so sure. I think she will end up in 1903 as well.

Well, Julie Plec said she wouldn't be a series regular which implies we'll see her again. Nina is very close with all the cast and producers, still has her loft in Atlanta and contrary to stupid people's beliefs and rumors is VERY close with Ian, plus, I still believe fully that Damon and Elena are endgame.

At least you are getting rid of Trevino.

But I don't mind him anymore. Figures.

My enjoyment of the show wasn’t spoiled by all this though, the episode managed to do that all by itself with – sorry - the dreadful first flashback, Michael Malarkey the exception, after misspelling Southampton and the dire accent of the Steward.

We just do not share the accent issues, LOL! I really did enjoy the episode a lot.

After all that wanting to know about Enzo’s history, the bits that bothered me are still not explained! Why is he called Lorenzo?!!!! What is his surname? I need to see the episode again because I couldn’t understand half the dialogue.

Really? I had no problem with the dialogue at all. As for his history, I have a feeling Enzo is going to be a bigger character next season so we will have more flashbacks with him. Re: The one you listed, I'm thinking of a different comment from him in season 06. But yeah, it may still refer to the same thing. In that case, no retcon, so yay!

Damon only has himself to blame re the cure. If he didn’t want to give it to Elena, then why did he try to find it?

No, it was different... Damon thought that when he got back he would be reuniting with an Elena who loved him exactly the same way as she had before he was whooshed away to the prison world and everything would be hunky-dory. He had no idea he'd be dealing with an Elena who didn't remember him and he'd see her dating a human guy, living a "human" life, doing pre-med, talking about taking that potential path and that without her memories of loving him that was the path she wanted to take. He didn't realize how deeply that was still on the table and that her love for him was basically the only obstacle to her wanting that life and without her memories now, she'd potentially jump for it and leave him behind. Big, big difference between the then when he was stuck in the prison world and the reality of now.

Edited at 2015-04-20 07:06 am (UTC)
jairem08jairem08 on April 17th, 2015 08:43 pm (UTC)
I still haven't watched the episode. Though I remain hopeful and positive I'm still bummed. I will probably take few days if not at least till after next episode to watch. I do want to believe that we will have still some good conclusion at the end of this season. I cannot imagine the show without Elena and Damon alone. I shudder at the possibility of him having another love interest. Which I hope is out of the question. At this stage I'm waiting it out. Honestly it would be better if Ian also left or was not a regular. I will come back once I watched the episode. I do trust that the series has been well planned and initial 6 years wrapped up properly. If the main 3 actors only signed for 6 seasons initially. I do want to believe that we won't lose DE after this amazing build up. There is no romance like theirs for me and I honestly hope for the best.
Arabian: Damon05arabian on April 20th, 2015 07:12 am (UTC)
I still haven't watched the episode.

I hope you like it when you do. I know it will be hard though to remain unaffected by knowing about Nina's departure, though. :(

Though I remain hopeful and positive I'm still bummed.

Ditto.

I will probably take few days if not at least till after next episode to watch. I do want to believe that we will have still some good conclusion at the end of this season.

Me too. I'm doing my best to remain positive.

I cannot imagine the show without Elena and Damon alone. I shudder at the possibility of him having another love interest.

I truly don't believe it will happen. I didn't before I heard this tidbit and now I'm even more convinced--Ian said at a convention today that he doesn't want Damon involved with another woman next season, but that he wants to focus on the brother's relationship. And I'm pretty sure that in order to get Ian to sign for season 07 they pretty much promised that he could get whatever he wanted, LOL!

At this stage I'm waiting it out. Honestly it would be better if Ian also left or was not a regular.

Agreed, but I am going to have faith in the show.

I do want to believe that we won't lose DE after this amazing build up.

I just don't see how it's possible that it won't end on Damon/Elena, I just don't.
Mattghidorah15 on April 17th, 2015 09:45 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to stay hopeful about the news, too. I don't buy for a second that the writers will treat Damon/Elena as anything other than endgame - they've come too far and done too much for that. Heck, your theory about Elena getting stuck in the 1903 Prison World as the season-ending cliffhanger and Season Seven (presumably the final season, since there's no feasible way the show can go on longer) being about defeating the Heretics and saving her is a theory I very much like. It makes sense, especially because it'll allow her to get the other copy of the cure so she and Damon can share it after all.

Sooo yeah - not really anything else to add. These two writers seem to have finally gotten into their groove with the characters, and that's a relief. But I must admit, even if your theory is accurate, I'm going to miss Elena until we see her again. :-/
Arabian: Elena16arabian on April 20th, 2015 07:15 am (UTC)
I'm trying to stay hopeful about the news, too.

Yup, I love this show too much and have too much faith in it to just throw in the towel or start expecting anything less.

I don't buy for a second that the writers will treat Damon/Elena as anything other than endgame - they've come too far and done too much for that.

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better.

Heck, your theory about Elena getting stuck in the 1903 Prison World as the season-ending cliffhanger and Season Seven (presumably the final season, since there's no feasible way the show can go on longer) being about defeating the Heretics and saving her is a theory I very much like.

I like the theory too! (But I'm not so sure about the final theory--I've heard that part of season 07 would be building up other characters in order to carry on the show beyond the main three--hah! three!)

It makes sense, especially because it'll allow her to get the other copy of the cure so she and Damon can share it after all.

EXACTLY!

Sooo yeah - not really anything else to add. These two writers seem to have finally gotten into their groove with the characters, and that's a relief. But I must admit, even if your theory is accurate, I'm going to miss Elena until we see her again. :-/

GOD, YES!! I keep thinking of that group of episodes when Katherine took over Elena and how by the second one I was already missing her and by fourth one or so, I was going crazy missing her SO MUCH!
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on April 17th, 2015 10:59 pm (UTC)
This isn't a spoiler, but I read a fan comment/theory of "Can't they just go back to 1903's prison world and find the cure again so that Damon can take it and they can be human together?"

I'm assuming this isn't possible because as soon as Katherine took the cure she started aging like right away and that's why she died. Therefore, the same would happen to Damon, right?

What do you think?
Mattghidorah15 on April 18th, 2015 12:18 am (UTC)
Wrong. She started aging after Silas drained the cure from her body.
La vida de lloronalaudanumdream on April 18th, 2015 01:27 am (UTC)
Ahh okay then, that makes more sense. :)
tj2013tj2013 on April 18th, 2015 12:23 pm (UTC)
Completely agree with you on all you said. Thanks for this post, and yes, I think most of us are still numb. Processing, though...
And the same happened to me during the DE scenes: I was wondering how many DE scenes are left instead of enjoying what we got. So a rewatch is in order.
I would hate Elena not getting back her memories at all, though. I want her to realize how deep her love for Damon is, what they had gone through together, just... everything.
JP said once that they (her and Kevin Williamson) knew quite early that they knew how they wanted the show to end. Wonder if that still holds. But I agree with you, even with Nina leaving as a regular, DE are endgame. They have to be. TVD always has been for me "Elena's story", wonder if or how this is gonna change now.

Man, Lily played Stefan really well. And I do hope that Damon realizes he's been played as well. The actress (I forgot her name) did a very good job. The detachment we all felt in the previous episodes now make really sense.

The heretics are a great idea.

Loved to see more of Enzo - and I had no idea his story is tied into Lily's. So cool. Finally, his backstory. That was long overdue.

Please, more Bonnie! I like Caroline, but it wouldn't hurt to have two leading females, right?

I felt sorry for Matt. But he, as you said, is not the only one who has died multiple times, has lost friends... He needs to decide who his friends are.

Stefan who comes back and literally storms off to save Caroline - loved that part.

And Ian did a great job showing all the ranges of emotions Damon is going through right now - with Lily and with Elena. Loved all of his scenes.

Thanks again for your post. Always a pleasure to read!
Arabian: Damon14arabian on April 20th, 2015 06:37 am (UTC)
Completely agree with you on all you said. Thanks for this post, and yes, I think most of us are still numb. Processing, though...

Yup, processing, still there. I think most of definitely are.

And the same happened to me during the DE scenes: I was wondering how many DE scenes are left instead of enjoying what we got. So a rewatch is in order.

I don't know if I'm ready to rewatch yet. Perhaps at the end of the season.

I would hate Elena not getting back her memories at all, though. I want her to realize how deep her love for Damon is, what they had gone through together, just... everything.

God, I know!

JP said once that they (her and Kevin Williamson) knew quite early that they knew how they wanted the show to end. Wonder if that still holds.

I wonder too... I'm thinking now if that maybe just applied to Damon and Stefan, I could see that for sure. Or maybe in terms of Damon/Stefan, and Damon/Elena.

But I agree with you, even with Nina leaving as a regular, DE are endgame. They have to be. TVD always has been for me "Elena's story", wonder if or how this is gonna change now.

I agree on all but "Elena's Story." I never saw it as that. To me TVD has been Damon's story and Elena's story and Stefan's story in various permutations and how all three of them impact the other and intrinsincally the three of them have at this point in time impacted each other in the right ways to put their lives on the right paths.

Man, Lily played Stefan really well.

I didn't see it that way actually. I saw it as Lily playing her part, not Stefan. And her part was to repair the broken boy she'd left behind, and Damon because he knows his brother and loves him so deeply knew exactly where the hurts were and what words to use to start mending them. And that's why I found the scene so beautiful. It wasn't about Lily at all... it was all about Damon and his love for his brother.

And I do hope that Damon realizes he's been played as well.

Oh, he absolutely knows that Lily is a player, but he's been playing her too.

The actress (I forgot her name) did a very good job. The detachment we all felt in the previous episodes now make really sense.

Annie Wersching. She's a good actress, but I still don't like her. The good news is that I don't loathe her with the buring fire of a thousand exploding suns like I did when I watched her on 24 so this is an improvement!

The heretics are a great idea. [...] Loved to see more of Enzo - and I had no idea his story is tied into Lily's. So cool. Finally, his backstory. That was long overdue. [...] Please, more Bonnie! I like Caroline, but it wouldn't hurt to have two leading females, right? [...]
Stefan who comes back and literally storms off to save Caroline - loved that part. [...] And Ian did a great job showing all the ranges of emotions Damon is going through right now - with Lily and with Elena. Loved all of his scenes.


I just grabbed all of this and copied it because I agree with all of it. ESPECIALLY the Bonnie/two leading females part. I HOPE that next season with Nina actually gone {SOBS}, we do see more Bonnie!

Thanks again for your post. Always a pleasure to read!

Thanks as always for responding! :)

Edited at 2015-04-20 06:37 am (UTC)
Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on April 19th, 2015 02:59 pm (UTC)
Will be back!
I've been working overtime these couple of weeks, and needless to say I'm behind on everything. I didn't even check LJ at all for almost three days and that rarely happens lol Anyway. I'm just here to give you a shout-out, say that I can't wait to read this post and say I'll be back!!! ♥
Arabian: Elena11arabian on April 20th, 2015 07:07 am (UTC)
Re: Will be back!
Cool, I'll wait for your response then. :) (Ugh, overtime sucks!)
Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on April 23rd, 2015 07:05 pm (UTC)
part I (written by still sobbing me)
I'm amazed I actually made it before the next episode lol Better late than never ;) Here we go.

”I'm still kinda numb about it. Yeah. But Positive. But Numb.” - That's EXACTLY how I'm feeling too.

”I don't think there's a word for that combination.” - It's not a word, but I think it's like... being heartbroken but still in love? Something like that *sigh*

”Yeah, so some lame-ass crewmember decided to post a stupid hashtag about missing Nina Dobrev” - lol Granted I only know this second-hand, but I heard it was Julie herself who did it. Either way, I don't think it was accidental. Interviews and what not immediately followed and everyone seemed calm and just following a plan of some sort. I guess it's hard to say just yet why they wanted us to know this before the finale, but I'm sure there's a reason we'll probably see once the finale airs.

”all of those nonessential, but wished-for Damon and Elena scenes that we all wanted just because are likely not going to happen now because there isn't time anymore.” - THIS, this is probably what I'm most sad about. All those scenes we'll never get. We're never going to see them just being a happy couple while drama and angst ensue. S4 had the sirebond and THE CURE, S5 was filled with break-ups and the amnesia thing kind of ruined all relationship-y moments in S6. And that's it. We can't even dream of happy S7 now, because now the best case scenarios are: a) Damon & Elena dying, or b) Elena being stuck in a prison world and Damon spending an entire season trying to free her. And what's even more depressing is that I'd prefer any of these two scenarios to Damon having his memory wiped or Damon moving on #cruel lol

”well, it all makes sense now, doesn't it? Why Elena hasn't felt so much like the lead character this season” - Actually, that's what makes ZERO sense to me! Lol! If they knew (and they did, they did *continues punching the pillow*) this was Elena's last season why oh why they didn't give Elena and Damon/Elena MORE scenes?!!?!?!?!? I don't get that AT ALL. Why so much focus on Stefan/Caroline if for all we know they're still going to be here in S7? How much easier it would be to deal with losing Nina if we got tons of beautiful DE scenes this season??? I just don't understand that instead of giving DE more time they gave them LESS time than they ever had.

”If that's the case then perhaps Elena won't in fact get her memories back after all.” - Not that I trust the writers that much, but I'm sure Elena will get her memories back. I don't know how and whether she'll keep them, but I'm absolutely certain she will.

”Come the end of season 07, they're able to get back to Elena, and ooh! lookee, she's gotten to the 1903 cure, Damon takes it and voila!, they're human together and they leave Mystic Falls.” - I'd love for you to be right about that!

”Damon would know exactly the right things that needed to be said to get Stefan back, all the right phrases, all the key notes to hit to bring his baby brother back and Lily is a good enough actress that she was able to pull it off perfectly.” - That was one of the few things that I loved about this episode (disclaimer: I probably didn't love most of the things about this episode just because I'm still in shock over the news and, like you mentioned at the beginning of your post, I was also more preoccupied by thinking about all the scenes that we won't see than the ones we were seeing.) Where was I?... Oh yes. So I LOVED that scene with Lily talking to Stefan interlaced with Damon teaching her the right words. It was really beautifully done.

”The Vampire Diaries just has their own brand of mythology and creates their own rules and sticks to them, they just build upon them and create loopholes that make sense (as much sense as supernatural rules can make) within *their* mythology. I love it.” - Yes, I totally agree and I love it too :)

”What we did see that I really liked was Enzo (or rather "Lorenzo!") before he was turned.” - It only took 18 episodes, but I'm finally back to enjoying Enzo again lol I liked his and Lily's scenes a lot and the entire backstory was nicely done.
Florencia: Elena (Stars)florencia7 on April 23rd, 2015 07:06 pm (UTC)
part II
”I also continue to like—no, I lie—I *love* Stefan and Caroline. Good or bad, they are so darn right. I mean, the whole bet over scaring a guy to death. So wrong, but their cute little banter over it, so very right!” - Um, OK, sooooo you are probably going to stop talking to me or at the very least start throwing virtual tomatoes at me, but... I actually found all Stefan/Caroline scenes in this episode... plain boring. If you can recall Tyler's (! lol) face during their scenes together, he was basically channeling me (I didn't think that would ever happen lol) It was all just SO boring. Just a really, really bad semi-remake of Stefan/Klaus S3 shenanigans. Only now it felt repetitive and... boring. Then of course let's not forget I wasn't in the greatest mood while watching this episode, so yeah, there's that. Maybe I'll appreciate it more during a re-watch.

”Damon let Tyler drive his car to take Matt to the hospital to save him!” - THAT was a truly memorable moment! And yet another sign that the world truly is ending *sobs* lol

I guess I'll know for sure on May 14th, but for now I think that's the end of TVD road for me :( I'm not going to watch next season, especially not on a weekly basis. If they will leave DE hanging, somehow, instead of killing Elena off or something equally final/heartbreaking, then maybe I'll binge-watch S7 next summer. I don't know. As much as I love Ian, no, Julie, I wouldn't watch him read a phone book (even if I might have said something like that haha) I love ALL the characters and ALL the stories, but without DE... I'm just going to be too heartbroken to watch.

♥ ♥ ♥
serpentinesoulserpentinesoul on April 24th, 2015 10:51 pm (UTC)
First off, I completely agree with you and Nina's exit announcement colored the way I watched the show last week and (somewhat) how I see the rest of the season and S7 going. The weird part was that when I read the announcement I was both surprised and not surprised. I knew the show was originally just supposed to be six seasons etc., but it definitely left me wondering how they are going to deal with Elena being gone in S7.

But anyway, on to episode-related thoughts.

Disclaimer: I have not watched "Because" yet. So even though I'm late to the party, these comments are still firmly rooted in last week. I'll keep it short, b/c I have a date with the new episode :)

Main musings have to do with this paragraph of yours:

"We already know that an Elena with her memories would reject it. She chose an eternity with Damon over a human lifetime if he's not human as well in season 04. However, that's an Elena who loves Damon bone/soul/heart deep, who considers him her soulmate. And this Elena may love Damon, but he's still only a guy she's been dating for about three to four months and under the wall of the compulsion she may feel the pulse of that soulmate connection but she doesn't actually connect to it right now because the memories aren't there. So *this* Elena would likely take the cure. And this episode certainly seemed to confirm that."

^THIS. So much of this.

Here's what I'd like to see happen (I'm spoiler-free this season, so anything that may/may not happen is completely coincidental, but you know me and my theories):

Damon gives Elena the cure, and memory-less Elena takes it. This selfless act on Damon's part breaks the compulsion and - cue angst alert - Elena is devastated because memory-intact Elena never would have taken the cure without Damon. She made him promise her forever.

Then what I'd like to see happen is human!Elena doesn't just get stuck in 1903, she *chooses* to stay behind (either to save Damon or has a 1903 cure-related epiphany). This, of course is a last-second decision as they are all trying to get out, similar to the Damon/Kai/Bonnie situation earlier in the season. She doesn't want a "normal, human life" if it's not with Damon.

Elena gets stuck there for most of season 7, and this time she's the one finding her way back to Damon just in time for the series' finale - where she presents him with the 1903 cure. She chooses him. Fights for him.

OR

If Elena doesn't give Damon the cure, I'd like it to be Stefan. Think about it - Stefan made Damon turn because he couldn't face eternity without his brother. I think it'd be quite fitting if Stefan gets to a place where he *can* do this selfless thing for Damon, "let his brother go" so he can live a human life with Elena and be happy.

The end. Now, that new episode needs viewing...catch ya on the other side!
Frust-sheep: Vampire Diaries: Kat-tearfrust_sheep on April 25th, 2015 09:34 pm (UTC)
First I'm sorry, that I'm so late with my comment.
I was and still I'm so shocked and sad, that Nina will be not a series regular next season. :(
Everytime I watch a episode I have to think about this... *sigh*
But of course I wish her all the best.

Again I have so to agree with you about the episode and yes, I really liked Enzo in this epi, too. *lol*
Anyway thank you so much for your entries about the episodes. It helps a lot to know, that you have faith in TVDs writing, that DE/all will be get a satisfying closure in the end of the tv-show.