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21 March 2015 @ 03:23 am
6.17 - 'A Bird In A Gilded Cage' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Another episode (before another hiatus) of The Vampire Diaries and here I come with a more timely write-up. Yay!

Happiness is not a look we are all too familiar with seeing on one Elena Gilbert. So much so that after the last episode there was much discussion in my write-up and especially in the comments that followed about how she seemed a bit off in some way. Watching this episode, I realized that it was because Elena Gilbert was happy and we're just not used to that. No, she does not have the memory of shared history with Damon, but she obviously feels very deeply for him. Also, yeah, it is possible that aspects of that lack of shared history may be coming into play in how she's approaching things because a part of Elena's growth as an adult was tied into her loving Damon.

Elena matured and grew so much as a person; she was willing to look past the surface, not just blindly accepting things at face value. She was willing to no longer just bury her head because it was easier (ala how she was during her relationship with Matt—what we know of it—and definitely when she was with Stefan). For instance, without those memories of who she was, how she grew, it made perfect sense that Elena was not going to look deeper into Bonnie's issues upon her return, into the fact that if Stefan has a niece so why doesn't Damon know. It makes sense that Elena isn't looking into *anything* that's going on with more of an adult perspective because she's now facing situations as more of an older teenager rather than as a young woman. Because Damon and the experiences that she shared with him helped make her a woman, and without those memories, she's not quite there yet.

However, none of that erases the fact that the so-called change in Elena is simply because she's happy. She's with a guy that she really, really *really* likes and there's no dark cloud hanging over her head for the first time. There's no great weight burdening her. Think of it. Think of the entirety of when we've known this character. The only time we've seen her happy without anything weighing her down without guilt as her constant companion was the first episode in season 05. And that was it because in the very next one she found out about Stefan being locked in the quarry. Right after that she found out that Bonnie had been dead since before graduation which lasted for a few more episode before, yay, Bonnie, came back but then... Elena killed a friend and then, Damon and her were kidnapped and she found out Damon was still killing people. Then Damon broke up with her, and then Katherine took over her body. And none of her friends realized it! And then the Travelers were coming after her and Stefan. Oh, and her and Damon were still broken up until the last episode. And oh, yeah, he "died."

So, yeah, that's why Elena seems different. Because she's happy and it's been for more than one freaking episode for the first time since the show began six years ago! Yes, yes, she was upset about Bonnie, but she knew that Bonnie was alive and that they would get her back. (And, fine, she was sad about Liz, but it was more of a peripheral sad because Liz was Caroline's mom and Damon's friend, but more just someone she knew who was in her life, but she wasn't really particularly close to her herself.) So, her friends are alive, Jeremy's safe as far as she knows and she's with a guy that she knows behind the mental barrier is her soulmate and what she *does* know, she really, really, *really* likes him like A LOT! So, the girl is happy.

Yeah, Caroline and now Stefan have their switches off, but it's not on her. It sucks, but it's not her fault, and they aren't her responsibility. They are her friends and she will work with the others to do what she can, but as we saw in this episode, she can push that problem off on someone else in their group (in this case, Alaric) because, it's not really *her* problem. She cares, but she can still get hot and bothered with her boyfriend because he's her priority and she's allowed to have her moments of happiness because the weight of the world is not on her. She's happy, yo!

Even last week with Bonnie and Caroline, it wasn't that she didn't care about Caroline or Bonnie… it was just that Elena is now a happy person. She's lighter, freer, so instead of taking the weight of the badness around her to rest so heavily upon her, she's doing what she can and delegating. She's only one person, and a young woman at that who has to have her priorities. She was already focused on helping Caroline—who had turned her humanity switch on—when Bonnie unexpectedly showed up and was all 'yo, I'm fine! Let's handle Caroline.'

And this week, Elena did what I had mentioned during the last episode, she told Damon about Stefan. One of the things I had commented on was how little a time frame the last episode was so in retrospect it was unfair to ding Elena on not communicating with Damon about Stefan. Clearly, judging from this episode, she called Damon as soon as she got off the phone with Stefan and Caroline. She was clearly in the middle of a crisis situation with those two in the last episode and it does make sense that she would be keeping in contact with them right then and there.

Plus since Elena was dealing with the Caroline situation with Stefan, it also makes sense that considering Damon's relationship with Caroline, Damon was simply not burdening Elena with his mom situation in those hours when stuff was going down. So I concede that I was jumping the gun in overanxious shipper worry because there clearly was no communication issue in this episode on that front at all. Especially when thinking back, Damon knew what was going on with Caroline so it's likely that Elena had filled him in on the situation with her.

I try to remind others who worry about things getting dropped or things not going "our" way that this is not a one episode, one arc, one season type of show, but that the entire series is telling the whole story. And I forgot that too, letting myself lose sight of the fact in my post that just because we didn't see Damon and Elena communicating in this episode didn't mean that they weren't communicating period. Especially since in the previous episode it was Elena who had helped Damon with the eulogy, and a few episodes before that they had talked things out before making love. (If that discussion had just been better written, grrr.)

I honestly think the fact that the last few episodes have just been so Caroline, Liz, and Stefan/Caroline heavy and Damon/Elena-light because of the focus being on the Caroline-story based side of things that it may have slipped the minds of Damon/Elena fans that things have actually been fine with them. Which this episode definitively proved, I believe.

Now, I will admit I did wonder what in tarnation was going on at least two times during the episode, but the final scene cleared all of that up nice and tidily. First, when Elena turned to Damon and calmly, blithely told him that she was going with them to the 1903 prison world because she was going "to meet the woman who gave birth to the two epic loves of my life" I was all 'whu?' that she would so, you know, calmly and blithely say that to Damon. I mean, yeah, he respects that Stefan and Elena had a relationship and never tries to make it anything less than it was (and even thinks it more than it was, pfft). But still… Elena so casually calling Stefan an "epic" love to Damon like that and so casually putting the two relationships on the same level like that? I was all, hell no, Elena!

But, you know, that's a result of an Elena with no memory of all that's happened with Damon. She just doesn't know. She doesn't get it; she doesn't know how that can sting just a bit. And then there was her mistaking the picture of adorable baby Stefan for baby Damon. Firstly, this means nothing—my brother-in-law mistook a baby picture of mine once as my sister's. It totes meant nothing. It's a freaking baby picture. A lot of babies look a lot alike. Alas, this is a television show, so… the dramaz! And that on top of the "two epic loves of my life" comment made me go… what are you doing, show?

I mean, I know absolutely, positively that they are *not* going back to Stefan and Elena. I have beyond zero doubts of that. Like no worries. So, I'm sitting there going, why, show, why? Are you that desperate to give the Stefan/Elena fanbase something to cling to? Really? And then the final scene happened and I was like 'ah! I see.' I really should stop questioning my beloved show. I really should. Because, of course, it all makes sense. As does that (terribly) written scene from "The Day I Tried To Live" where Damon and Elena had their whole discussion about if Elena was human would she still choose him. Uh huh.

Yes, yes, I know some people are upset about the cure being brought back into play. I am not. Not in the slightest. Look, I said it back when it happened and I sorta, kinda, mostly got over it, but I still maintain that I feel we were cheated out of experiencing human!Elena with vampire!Damon. If this is going to allow us to have that, then damnit, I'm all for it. I want to see a human Elena choose Damon. Definitively. Even with everything that has happened that is the one thing that the Stefan and Elena fanbase still cling to as their never-ending proof that Stefan and Elena are the one true thing in a way that Damon and Elena aren't. You see because Elena had to die to choose Damon. (And I still maintain that isn't the case… she chose to say goodbye to Stefan, not chose Stefan, thank you very much. Ahem.)

I do think this turn of events is going to give hope to the Stefan/Elena fanbase (I mean, really, how can it not?), but as I've been saying I swear that Caroline Dries has a checklist and she's going down that list knocking off points against Damon and Elena. And this is the biggie. So, Damon gets the cure… of course, he's going to initially hesitate. Of course he is! Especially after Elena sweetly, adoringly affirmed forever to him. But we all know that he's going to give her the choice of the cure. Again, of course he is.

And this may be where the reason they've kept her memories locked away for as long as they have comes into play. An Elena with her memories has already shown that without the option of Damon also becoming human she's not going to take the cure. With everything they have been through together, Elena only wants to be human if she can be human with Damon. That is what "Graduation" showed us. She had the choice and she chose to give the cure to Stefan. Stefan gave the cure back to her, Elena chose to shove it down Katherine's throat. She decided her life was with Damon, either an ordinary human lifetime or a vampire's eternity, she's going to share her life with Damon Salvatore. It's basically Damon or bust.

However, this Elena doesn't have all of those memories and she's already told Damon that, hey, I'll choose you so it doesn't matter if I'm a human or not. She's not thinking of long-term like the Elena who loved Damon soulmate love. Sure, this Elena is happy and really, really likes Damon, probably even loves him. But she's not forever, sou-mate, I choose eternity-with-you in love with him yet because they haven't had those moments, those experiences. So, this Elena would choose to be human, right? Right. And it wouldn't be about Stefan. It would be about Elena.

The Elena of "Graduation" was thinking about her future as in Elena and Damon. This Elena, I don't think would be thinking that far in advance because as I stated above, she's not quite as mature, as deep-thinking, as forward-thinking as the Elena who matured and experienced the depth of things as the Elena who lived and loved with Damon is. And she doesn't have that kind of love with Damon yet. So, yeah, I could see this Elena taking the cure easily.

The only thing, of course, is that we know that with the cure comes the inability to be cured with vampire blood and the chance to ever be a vampire again so that comes into play as well. I wonder if that will be discussed also.

Still if Elena does decide to take it I wouldn't complain because I've wanted to see human!Elena and vampire!Damon forever, plus it would give us the definitive answer that, yes, human!Elena would choose Damon. (So take that!) Of course, there's a big part of me that still believes the endgame for Damon and Elena will be the two of them both human at the end of the day. It's what she wants; it's what his secret wish is and he's only revealed it that one time, but that was real, it was too raw and painful to not be real. So we will see what happens… but if it does with Damon at least, I don't expect that until we get closer to the end. Until then, well, again, we will see.

In the meantime, how about this end. Damon and Elena… and Stefan and Caroline… getting down. Let's just say it, this cutting back and forth between the two was much, much more enjoyable than the last time we had such, huh? And come on, you gotta laugh, seriously. So many were bitching about the fact that Damon and Elena's first time was intercut with Stefan and Caroline, and here they had Stefan and Caroline's first time intercut with… Damon and Elena. Not nearly as bad, but still. I mean, come on… how can you not love this show? I just—I just love it so much.

I do want to talk about Stefan and Caroline. Of *course* I do, but I'm still riding on the Damon and Elena train right now. As I said above, we had Elena clearly telling Damon about Stefan flipping his switch. (No, obviously she didn't tell him about Sarah, but was now really the time? Nah.) And Damon told her all about his mother since she'd handed Caroline-duty over to Alaric, so they were communicating (yay!) and operating as a team. No, he didn't tell her about the strand-Kai plan (but, Damon tends to keep most plans as close to his chest as possible because he knows this Scooby gang well), and he did tell her soon enough.

So that was all good. Plus, really, Elena was adorable and so just happy to be with her boyfriend! Sure, she mistook the baby picture, but then when she found out which was the right one, she snatched it to take home with her because she wanted a baby picture of her boyfriend! And that's just so adorable! And she was just all sweetly smiling at him and just looking at him so like she loves him. And she may have been talking about his mother, but she did affirm to him, to Damon, that they have forever with no maybes or possiblys and that's something that she never managed with Stefan.

Then, of course, there was the making-out which was really uber-hot. I mean, like uber-uber-hot. We had hair-gripping, flesh-groping, deep, open-mouth kissing (even if you couldn't see because of the camera angle, you could tell by the body language), legs encircling, necking and just this overall feel of passionate frenzy and intensity. It was hot.

 
 
 

So, so, so hot. From beginning to end. The first sweet kiss, to the more passionate kiss that followed and then the cut from Stefan and Caroline with Damon lifting her onto the counter-top where they were really going at it when Damon noticed Bonnie in the doorway to that final, long lingering kiss before she left. Wait, back up, uhm, three things there about Damon noticing Bonnie in the doorway.

1.) How insanely hot did Ian Somerhalder look then? I mean, I know the guy is generally hot, but he looked like really, really, like *really* insanely hot then. It was like whoah!

2.) Elena's reaction when Damon said "Hi" so casually was hilarious! She's all in the moment, panting, groping at him, really enjoying herself and then Damon says "Hi," casually greeting someone as he's still pressed against her boobs, panting against her throat and her expression was all 'Whu? What is he saying?' Before he said "Bon-bon." So hysterical.

3.) The fact that Damon could stay all pressed up against her, not moving at first, staying all comfortable and cozy there, casually greeting Bonnie with that look on his face made it pretty clear that Damon has been in this situation where he's been watched before. And I'm thinking that Ian Somerhalder probably played it that way specifically thinking that Damon Salvatore has indeed been in this situation several times before where he's been watched and done a lot more than just some heavy petting. Uh huh.

And then once Elena who clearly has *not* been in this situation several times before (except, you know, those two times when Jeremy caught her and Damon*) in totally adorable, but unnecessary embarrassment walked out, we had our new BFFs in action again. And the Salvatore kitchen was transformed from the love zone to the friend zone just like that.

* Well, thinking of the summer make-out session on the couch, one has to wonder if stuff like that did happen several times. Hmm… so maybe? Oh, and I wouldn't call the few times that Damon walked in on her and Stefan particularly passionate, so totally, just, yeah, with Damon.

Now, I knew that Damon and Bonnie were going to make up, but, damn, I didn't figure it would happen that quickly. Awesome. No, seriously awesome… because it didn't feel forced or rushed. Bonnie was understandably still upset with Damon when he came to see her earlier, but Damon came prepared with a plan. And who didn't know what the plan was as soon as that scene ended? Of course they were gonna strand Kai, of course they were.

And, of course, that would be the way for Bonnie to realize that Damon had actually listened to her and had realized what the true issue was, being left alone and she needed Kai to suffer for what he'd done to her in turn. But she also knows Damon and knows how much he loves his brother so she can appreciate that he took her pain into account when looking at his problem.

Plus, they are like siblings. Brothers and sisters, they fight, they do things that really upset the other, but when push comes to shove, they are there for each other and they forgive each other. And that's what we saw here. They were both there for each other. Damon helped Bonnie get her closure and Bonnie helped Damon get his mother to help Stefan. And then like siblings, they cleared the air by insulting one another ("because you were an ass!") and then spoke with honest, sincere words.

It was a really beautiful scene; Bonnie being able to figure out why Damon had mapped the way to Novia Scotia, knowing him well enough and his love for Elena to know that he was doing it to get the cure for Elena. And she trusts him with the cure now instead of just giving it to Elena herself because Bonnie trusts him, giving him the choice to make. (God, with this show, it *always* comes down to choice. The Choice, that should have been the damn name of the series.)

Again, a beautiful scene and one that highlighted their friendship in such a lovely way showing all of it, the banter, the insults, the love, the bond, everything their time together had built and how it's still there even now in present-time Mystic Falls. And we know that even a bad fight and making bad mistakes can't just easily undo it. They are, like Bonnie is with Elena and Caroline sisters in everything but blood, like family.

Not so much, though… Damon and his real family, a.k.a. Mama Salvatore, a.k.a. Mrs. Salvatore (hehehe, Elena, so cute!, I'm sorry, not sorry, but she was totes adorbs in this episode!), a.k.a. Lillian Salvatore, a.k.a., "Call me Lily," a.k.a. "Hello, Mother." Yeah, I know, kinda corny, I don't care. I loved it. Heehee! Damon doing the whole greeting to his mama just like he did to his baby bro when he first saw him in the first episode. I. Loved. It. So cool. Corny/Cool. Tomato/Tomahto!

Yeah, so she's kinda crazy, huh? I mean, it's this whole holding it together, Victorian-style, I'm about to go psycho-creepy Ripper on your-ass in a prim and proper way kind of crazy, but still crazy, yeah? Totes. Oh my. When she introduced her "family," I was surprised. That was definitely unexpected. Although interesting to learn that it is possible for a Ripper to potentially learn to control their Ripper tendencies as such. Although I don't trust her. I think she be crazy and I kinda expect she's gonna be maybe the big bad once she realizes that her eldest has no plans to take another trip back to 1903.

And I'm thinking that when Kai comes back (because of course he will) they may team up against Damon, because, again, she be cray-cray-cray. Well, to be fair, there was one good thing about her. She hated Giuseppe. And, let's be real, Damon was totally a dick to her. He really was. I mean, I get why, but man, he was not nice. (Elena was so precious, though, wasn't she? Just the cutest thing! So adorable with her "Mrs. Salvatore." And sipping tea and trying to be all proper and polite. Just the perfect future daughter-in-law material.) I could understand why Lily finally gave up and asked about Stefan since Damon was being such a bitter pill. Geesh! Still, there was the way she did it. "It's nice to see that you've grown into yourself, Damon. {pause} How's your brother?" There was almost a dismissive note there as if she was saying 'alright, done with you now, moving on.'

Again, yeah, Damon was being a pill, but it's understandable why Damon was acting that way. Clearly, boy is feeling uber amounts of betrayal right now. He loved his mother and she left him and Stefan to deal with their father who she hated as much as they did and they were just kids. And, maybe, maybe she could have reached him had she told him the story about wanting to feed on wee Stefan earlier on but with her "family" it just wasn't going to happen. And as adorable as Elena was, I don't think she actually should have been there, but I dunno, maybe Damon needed her as a stabilizer. Oh, Damon. What he needed was Stefan. *His* family. {Sobs} But Stefan, well, Stefan is off the rails.

Yeah, there's that. You know, many people wondered if Stefan was pretending to turn the switch off and that never crossed my mind because I just couldn't see Stefan doing that. He is in love with Caroline and he did what he did to save her soul… of course that's all rather shot to hell now because the director and the student (who is maybe dead now) she will probably feel guilty about. But, hey, at least she didn't cause the death of his niece and destroy Liam's life by sending him to death row.

So, yes, it's absolutely terrible what Caroline did to Stefan, making him turn his switch off. And it was terrible what Stefan did in this episode, killing that poor director by ripping his head off with his teeth, and then dragging that poor student into the middle of their fight by dual feeding on her. Just, so bad. So awful. But… this is a television show, it's not real. They are vampires; vampires are not real… so screw it. Damn, that was fucking entertaining as hell and I loved every single second of it! Caroline standing on that stage after the oh, so lovely performance, wiping away her tear, expecting praise and then the director's head falls off and there's Stefan sitting behind the headless director slow-clapping. I mean, come on! That was fantastic!

Then he comes out to find his motorcycle dismantled and she's so proud of herself and he's all, "you what, unbolted this? It will take me ten minutes to put this back together. You're an embarrassment to humanity-less vampires everywhere!" So she punches a hole in the gas tank! It was just beautiful and awesome and hilarious and I was dying with laughter. I rewound every one of their scenes and they just kept getting better.

Fighting in the hallway of the dorm, throwing stakes at each other, slamming into one another, dragging their knocked out bodies, and then, oops! Someone shows up and the annoyance at having to deal with it. Oh, lordy, it was just too perfect. I mean, has Stefan without his humanity ever had this much fun dealing with someone? I don't think so. Nope, not at all! And then when Alaric and Enzo showed up, just like that, boom! they were on the same side, working together, the perfect team. Oh yeah!

And, oh yeah! then Stefan really turned it on. I don't generally find Paul Wesley hot. He's attractive, he can look really cute sometimes, handsome in certain shots, but he just doesn't do it for me on the whole, but when Stefan pulled away with bloody lips from his feeding and was looking at Caroline with lust-filled eyes, I'll call it. Paul Wesley looked hot. So I totally bought Caroline finally being driven by her bloodlust in that moment and it was so more than just the blood, yeah baby!

As evidenced by the fact that she drank from that poor, poor student for like two seconds before she shoved her away and launched herself at Stefan and the making-out commenced. And it was pretty dang hot too. I have to admit, it took me watching it a few times to fully appreciate the scene itself because I was still marveling at the fact that Stefan and Caroline were actually, you know, doing it! Because it was Stefan. And. Caroline. And I was actually getting Stefan and Caroline.

 
 
 
 

Oh. My. God.

Like whoah. And I don't mind that their first time was with the humanity switch-off because I like the fact that it's being switched up, you know, instead of the typical slow montage with the romantic music for the first time. After all, this means that they'll get another first "first" time when their switches are back on. And thinking about it, this show clearly just doesn't do normal "first times" for their big couples. After all, remember Damon and Elena's first time? And I sure as heck loved that!

Speaking of and going back to that intercutting again, mentioned above, and again, this one, so much more enjoyable! But I have to say that it did show me, at least, that as great as the Wesley/Candice Accola chemistry is and as much, much better as Wesley is with Accola in the kissy-face department, I still think that Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev have the most incredible chemistry and together in these kinds of intimate settings, they are just so damn comfortable; they just look so real. And it's just, OMG! so very, very hot. Like DAYUM!

However, that doesn't at all take away from how amazing and wonderful and fantabulous Stefan and Caroline were. I mean, so, so good. Both the earlier scene in the poor student's door room and then in Caroline's room later. Hot and hilarious!

 
 

I had suggested that Caroline's love and not wanting to see Stefan like this might be what wound up triggering his switch. Obviously that isn't going to happen since it looks like he's going to bring her in on his fun and we're going to see a Bonnie and Clyde adventure with these two (although, that would be more the myth, rather than the reality of Bonnie and Clyde, anyhoo, nevermind). Based on this episode, that looks like it would be a lot of fun.

I mean, Stefan and Caroline together—good or bad—are just so, so great together. Paul Wesley and Candice Accola just play off of each so well. They're timing is wonderful, their interplay, their back and forth is just so perfect. Plus, there is such an intimate ease with Accola that Wesley has that he never had with Nina Dobrev (seriously, the inverted V of their lower bodies whenever they kissed was so distracting). On the other hand, these two are just wonderful and I continue to absolutely adore everything they are doing with Stefan and Caroline so very hard.

Do you know what I also liked a lot so hard this episode? Prepare to be surprised. Enzo, yes, Enzo. I really, really, *really* liked Enzo in this one. Like a super lot. And I really, really enjoyed him and Alaric together a whole bunch. Why haven't we been seeing this match-up? When we found out that Michael Malarkey was going to be a series regular and that Matt Davis was coming back full-time, I thought that we would be seeing Enzo and Alaric basically fighting over Damon once he came back. Instead we've barely seen Damon and Alaric interact and when they do, Ric is being a dick to Damon, and Enzo and Damon have shared about two lines.

So seeing these two now, I feel even more cheated because Davis and Malarkey have really great chemistry too and it's making me mourn the fact that we haven't seen the two of them and Ian Somerhalder together. We have been missing out on some real magic here with this potential trio. Come on, show! We know that Ian Somerhalder and Matt Davis are incredible together and Damon and Alaric have an epic bromance—when written right. We also know that Somerhalder and Michael Malarkey have great chemistry, and that Enzo and Damon have the potential to have a renewed great bromance. And now in this episode we see that Enzo and Alaric are great together, so can we see all three of them?

Or you know, Damon and Alaric? Since everyone keeps calling them best friends even though we've seen nothing that gives an indication of it this season. Pfft. Or how about Damon and Enzo? Since a big part of the reason he hates Stefan is supposedly because of how Stefan lied to Damon and treated him. Yeah, can we to be getting on to the bromances of Damon Salvatore and his two bros? Pretty please, cuz you got a fine trio of chemistry-having-actors there. Big-time!

Now back to those two bros… first off, once again Enzo. As I said, I really liked him in this episode, probably because he felt like a real boy. Just hearing him have an actual conversation with someone who felt like an equal helped. With Matt (even though I love him dearly), Enzo always talks down to him and just orders him around, there's no back and forth. But with Ric, they were talking, they were conversing. Enzo was explaining himself, explaining that it wasn't enough to just hurt Stefan, it had to matter, Stefan had to be a worthy opponent, as it were. That gave substance, of a sort, to Enzo.

Plus, as I said Malarkey and Davis have chemistry and when you have chemistry with someone, it really makes a difference. Clearly, Zach Roerig and Malarkey don't because that spark and interest in a scene was much stronger in the Alaric/Enzo scenes than I've ever felt in the Enzo/Matt scenes. Although, I do believe that is partially because of the fact that these scenes as written were conversational ones as opposed to 'I say/you do.'

Finally, I liked that we got to see Enzo's smarts. In the last episode, we got Caroline's with her figuring out that Stefan clearly made all things vampires boring to Sarah. Well, at first when Enzo told Sarah he was walking away and seemed so sincere, I thought, wow, Alaric got to him (Go, Alaric!). But, oops! He slipped and called her "Sarah Salvatore," which makes sense because that's what all of them call her. But then later when talking to a friend, I realized, he didn't slip at all. It was deliberate. His original plan was to use his vampirism charm to control her, to get her to do all of these wicked horrible things, but that won't work now. So instead, he's going to turn her against Stefan and ruin Stefan's life by bringing Sarah into the fold. So he let her her know that she is a Salvatore. Bwahahahaha! Enzo just became so much more interesting to me in this episode than he's ever been. So much more enjoyable.

And you know who else was really, really enjoyable? Alaric! Yes, one Alaric Saltzman! Where has this Alaric been? He was adorably so Alaric tonight. Loved it, even with Jo, I liked him. From his snarky one-liners, to his advice to Enzo, to just his all-around attitude. Of course, he wasn't with Damon or Elena or the usual gang. And, of course, I still think something funky is going on with him, due to past episode. And it's not like they didn't give us a little something to go on in this one. I mean, "Duke?" Jo suggests naming their child Duke after the college and Alaric says nothing, absolutely nothing about the fact that his first wife (who was a vampire and all of the crazy that went along with that) taught at Duke, oh, and maybe that's why he wouldn't want to name his child that? Hmm, maybe he hasn't mentioned Isobel? I dunno, I just thought that was odd, and I find it unlikely that the whole Duke thing wasn't deliberate for us to note since Duke was a pretty durn big part of Isobel's story. We'll see.

And on that note, I bring you random thoughts –

- So with it being two episodes at this point and the last time we saw them was when they discussed becoming deputies, I'm thinking that Matt and Tyler were off doing something deputy training-wise maybe?

- Good news, I didn't despise Annie Wersching as Lily, yay! I thought she was good. The things that annoyed me in her previous role, I thought actually worked in this role.

- Aww, Damon is looking for an outlet for his rage that does not involve hurting people! Go Damon. I'm sure the neat-freak in him will enjoy the aftermath of this one since it involves clean-up.

- Kai has it so bad for Bonnie. He really does; I mean even after she stabbed him and he almost caught up with the group of them, he's calling out just her name. And yes, he did grab at her hand when he was trying to apologize, but I don't actually think he was trying to get violent, but rather just emotionally trying to reach her. But of course there's no way that Bonnie would see it (or should see it) that way.

- Hmm, so I was wrong about the blood supply just replenishing each day as I figured it would since the groceries had replenished themselves in 1994 as I had said in response to the question in the comments to the last episode's write-up. Oh well, I thought it made sense.

- So my first thought was that Kai was dead, but it makes more sense that they would use him as a human blood bag to stay alive; thus, yeah, he is totes coming back.

- I love how Stefan just assumed that Damon was in charge, saying that Damon sent the B-team (because, yeah, Damon and Elena are the A-team).

- Ooh, Bonnie was so chilling when Kai yelled "I've changed" when Bonnie had the knife over him and then she said "So have I." Yes, she has indeed. (And I so knew she was going to say that. And it was perfect.)

- I just loved Damon's "These freaks may be your family, but Stefan Salvatore is mine!" Yeah! But at the same time, sigh, oh Damon, the hurt on his face when she first said it because, yes, in his mind this *is* his mother choosing these "freaks" over him and his brother and it does hurt.

- Heh, I loved the screensaver on the computer that Lily was looking at being something that looked similar to the auroras boreales.

- Yayers! I got my Salvatore kitchen make-out!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!

- So the cure is back in play, wow. I was so not expecting that. OK, then.

- Someone had mentioned they wondered if Elena would get her memories back if she became human again. I commented that I wasn't sure how that would work, but we've never had such an instance before so it could, I guess. We will see.

Alrighty then, another fabulous episode! There have only been two weak-ish episodes (and they were still really good) so far in my opinion and we're on episode 17 so that's pretty awesome if you ask me. Such a great show I can't wait for the next episode… sooo far away!
 
 
 
(Anonymous) on March 21st, 2015 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Ok, first of all thank you for your great and lenghty post. I again loved reading it like every week.

For starters here are my thoughts concerning this weeks episode:
- I think the episode's title was just perfect. It is actually the title of a song that was very popular in 1900 and that describes a beautiful woman who was married to a man she didn't love and, though people admired and loved her, was unhappy. The song interestingly doesn't tell us of her death or even of how she died but instead gives us an account of her funeral and how beautiful her grave looked. All of this strongly reminded me of Lily Salvatore from what we already knew about her and especially from what we learned about her in this episode: She was unhappily married, everyone loved her, she has a grave, but her death is a blurry point. So the title already suggested that this episode would be about her.
- Caroline tidying up was just hilarious. It somehow reminded me of Damon though her motivation was of course slightly different.
- The shots in the beginning were very dark and depressing setting the right atmosphere for what was going to come.
- Damon sitting in the arm chair the fire place in the background was another thing that made me laugh. It reminded me so much of a TV-show in which a storyteller tells fairy tales to little children. I just couldn't take this scene serious, it was too surrealistic.
- DE talked about Stefan, yeah!
- Damon breaks things again. Boy should really be working on his anger issues. Lucky for him he loves cleaning up so much.
- So Stefan was a motherboy. No surprise to me concerning his personality and behaviour. Though still interesting to know.
- DE talk about Damon's mother, *yeah*! Though to be honest Elena had to kind of ask him first, but nevertheless he willingly spilled then. I'm happy enough.
- Damon and Bonnie's friendship is still not so rosy yet, but at least they talked like the grown-ups they are. Very mature.
- Is Stefan in the end just faking it and still trying to get Caroline back by trying to "break" her?
- Do Damon and Bonnie plan to leave Kai in 1903?
- So Enzo and Alaric team up? Interesting.
- Damon's "hello mother" really reminds me of the pilot when Damon greeted Stefan in pretty much the same way with "hello brother", this deep affection and hurt under layers of played indifference.
- I think for Damon it is important to confront his mother though it's definitely not very nice.
- Ok, new theory here: Maybe ripper-Stefan is afraid that Caroline might bring him back because she still reminds him way too much of the old/real Caroline and that's why he wants her to be more off (emotionless and letting go of control)? Which would ironically be pretty much like what Caroline felt and therefore did to him last episode.
- Who are those crazy dessicated guys?
- Damon's BFFs aka Enzo and Alaric are finally fighting over him :)
- Is Lily really insane or did she indeed find a way out of ripperdom? If so, then what will happen if she looses her "family"? Will she become a ripper again? Her remedy of ripperdom is a very fragile one I have to say.
- Alaric and Enzo are actually quite a good team :) I didn't expect that. But I'm afraid through their actions they'll only make everything worse because now Caroline and Stefan might bond over their common enemy, whereas beforehand they fought against each other, and those two working together will be so much more dangerous.
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Arabian: Damon10arabian on March 23rd, 2015 04:31 am (UTC)
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Ok, first of all thank you for your great and lenghty post. I again loved reading it like every week.

Thank you. :)

- I think the episode's title was just perfect. It is actually the title of a song that was very popular in 1900 and that describes a beautiful woman who

was married to a man she didn't love and, though people admired and loved her, was unhappy.


I actually generally dislike the episode titles so much that I've made up different episode titles for most the episodes (LOL!), but I did keep this one. I

actually felt it fit more than just Lily. I thought it fit Caroline, Stefan, Kai, Damon, Sarah and Elena when you just look at the meaning of the phrase

someone trapped in a beautiful setting.

Caroline tidying up was just hilarious. It somehow reminded me of Damon though her motivation was of course slightly different.

Me too.

DE talked about Stefan, yeah!

That was my first clue that I had overreacted last week and hadn't taken into account the time frame of the last few episodes.

Damon breaks things again. Boy should really be working on his anger issues.

He is, that's why he was breaking things! :)

Is Stefan in the end just faking it and still trying to get Caroline back by trying to "break" her?

Uhm, he ripped someone's head off... no, he's not faking it.

- Damon's "hello mother" really reminds me of the pilot when Damon greeted Stefan in pretty much the same way with "hello brother"

That was so deliberate.

Damon's BFFs aka Enzo and Alaric are finally fighting over him :)

Hmm, I didn't get that they were fighting over him; I'll have to rewatch those scenes. More just that they were talkingg about him. Hmm....

Is Lily really insane or did she indeed find a way out of ripperdom? If so, then what will happen if she loses her "family"? Will she become a ripper

again? Her remedy of ripperdom is a very fragile one I have to say.


Oh, she's TOTES insane!
(Anonymous) on March 21st, 2015 01:47 pm (UTC)
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- Bonnie doing it "Damon's"* way: killing the problem aka Kai in this case. But we've seen before with Stefan in season 5 that PTSD cannot be healed by killing the torturer. So I think that Bonnie is making a mistake here by making Kai an enemy of theirs again and provoking him though I totally get why she did what she did or why she had to at least try. If, though, she just wanted to strand him there, I have to say she plays a very dangerous game, cause with this show nobody seems to stay captured for long (only think of the Damon, Elena and Stefan in season 1, Elena, Katherine and Elijah in season 2, etc., etc., etc.).
(* Maybe not really "Damon's" way? Bonnie has already shown those tendencies before by trying to kill the Big Bads, i. e. Damon in season 1 and 2, Klaus in season 2.)
- And Stefan and Caroline bonded :) I like how Caroline is standing her ground, but of course we all knew that she wouldn't be able to resist her former teacher/potential lover forever :)
- The feeding and making out scene was very Bonnie-and-Clydish.
- Damon facing his mother, telling her exactly where they stand of right now ("your family" vs. "my family") is very good for him. He was always the odd one out, always alone against his father who loved Stefan; but now finally after all those years the brothers have each other again and neglecting parents can no longer faze him. And his mother, who puts strangers over her own two sons, really needed to hear Damon tell her that. And it obviously worked. She came to reason and went with him.
- Poor Kai although he kinda deserved it.
- Oh, Enzo is being selfless with Sarah! Or not??? Has this been Enzo's plan all along? To bring Sarah back into Damon's life and thereby drive a wedge between the brothers? Was this meant to be his revenge against Stefan, to rob him of his brother?
- Ok, so why Lily didn't talk to Damon, too, the night she turned, I get now, but for my taste she's still too indifferent of her own sons. If she heard of her sons turning, then why didn't she return to them then right away if she really loved them so much as she claims she does?
- Ok, Kai getting eaten by Lily's "family" was kinda predictable. The question is will he revive again with the breaking of the "new"/same day like in his own prison world or will he truly die this time around? And if so, then what will become of the gemini coven? Will Jo become the new leader by default? Or Liv? Or are there any other twins?
- Elena still thinks so much in black and whites in that she cannot believe Damon's mother to be anything but a wonderful and loving mother who is just being misunderstood and will definitely change for the better and grow into herself; she is "the eternal optimist" as Damon called her. I think he's totally right and I can't wait to get the matured Elena back, who doesn't seem to bury her head in the sand hiding from the harsh reality of the world. Because though this Elena might be sweet and adorable and still so innocent I miss my matured Elena with her adult relationship she had with Damon.
- The cure is back! What a shocker. I didn't think we'd get to see (or hear) that one ever again. (Flashbacks of season 4, had to think of this video again: TVD | "Let's Find the Cure" [HUMOR] www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=1eDuJF0Jbhw). I hope Damon will give the cure to his mom (that might be the only way for Lily to survive the season, cause supernatural moms have a tendency to die fast in Mystic Falls (think of Pearl, Jenna and Jules in a way, Alaric, Isobel at least managed almost two seasons, Katherine died the season we found out she was a real mother to a still living child!), so Lily better become human and fast). But I'm afraid Elena will take it in the end and this will be how she'll get her memories back. I hope I'm wrong though because Elena being human again with Damon still being a vampire would suck (now that I know how great they can be as vampires together at least), though it would help Damon get over his last insecurity that Elena only loves him because she is a vampire. And now I'm quite sure this is what will happen. Oh no :(
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Arabian: Damon & Elena19arabian on March 23rd, 2015 06:36 am (UTC)
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Bonnie doing it "Damon's"* way

Yeah, I didn't see it as "Damon's" way so much as Bonnie being Bonnie driven to extreme. I've always said that Damon and Bonnie are pretty similar.

Oh, Enzo is being selfless with Sarah! Or not??? Has this been Enzo's plan all along? To bring Sarah back into Damon's life and thereby drive a wedge

between the brothers? Was this meant to be his revenge against Stefan, to rob him of his brother?


I don't think it's about brining him into Damon's life or that it's been his plan all along, it's as I said, he's adjusting because the vampire plan won't

work. It's just about playing the long game until Stefan's switch is back on and a new way to screw up Stefan's life.

If she heard of her sons turning, then why didn't she return to them then right away if she really loved them so much as she claims she does?

Because she's cray-cray!

Ok, Kai getting eaten by Lily's "family" was kinda predictable. The question is will he revive again with the breaking of the "new"/same day like in his

own prison world or will he truly die this time around?


Like I said, I don't think he was eaten, I think he's just going to be a human blood bag for them, but you have a point, he may not just die like in his

prison world.

And if so, then what will become of the gemini coven? Will Jo become the new leader by default? Or Liv? Or are there any other twins?

No other twins, but I think it would have to be Jo.

Elena still thinks so much in black and whites

Because no memories of the history with Damon which is what helped her get out of that mindset.

Because though this Elena might be sweet and adorable and still so innocent

BUT SHE'S SO SWEET AND ADORABLE!!!

I hope Damon will give the cure to his mom

Hmm, never thought of that idea.

But I'm afraid Elena will take it in the end

I want Elena to take the cure. I want human!Elena and vampire!Damon!!! We were cheated out of that, dangit!!

Oh no :(

OH YES!! IT WILL BE AWESOME!! We can finally get bloodplay! And finally, finally see a human with a vampire who is NOT a brooding vampire. How awesome will that be!?! SO AWESOME! :D :D :D
(Anonymous) on March 21st, 2015 02:00 pm (UTC)
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I just hope in this case Elena will turn again later on and on her own volition, too, because of her love for Damon and the promise of eternity. But wait, that was impossible, right? Vampire blood didn't work on cured-Katherine! I think Damon would never allow Elena to become so vulnerable that she wouldn't only be a fragile human being again, but also unable to be healed by vampire blood in case something should happen to her which, looking at her history, is VERY likely. So I won't give up the hope that he'll instead heal his mother quite yet :)
By the way, Damon and Bonnie's friendship is restored, YEAH! And Damon wasn't even angry with Bonnie for interrupting his make out session, they are such good friends :)


Ok, now here are my thoughts after reading your recap:
Watching this episode, I realized that it was because Elena Gilbert was happy and we're just not used to that.
Good point! It might really be that happy Elena is what sits wrong with so many people right now, like Damon said "[Elena's] optimism is annoying". We should be happy for her, but in a way we make the same mistake as her friends in season 4. We are not used to happy Elena and so we think something's wrong with her. Wow, now I feel ashamed and bad. Ok, from now on I will try and accept Elena as still being Elena but much happier. I'm good with that. So thanks for enlightening me on this point :)

She was clearly in the middle of a crisis situation with those two in the last episode and it does make sense that she would be keeping in contact with them right then and there.
Again, yeah, good point. They obviously did communicate off screen, so I'm fine with this and just happy DE still communicate :)

when Elena turned to Damon and calmly, blithely told him that she was going with them to the 1903 prison world because she was going "to meet the woman who gave birth to the two epic loves of my life" I was all 'whu?'
I didn't really bother because I put it down to her memory loss.

1.) How insanely hot did Ian Somerhalder look then? I mean, I know the guy is generally hot, but he looked like really, really, like *really* insanely hot then. It was like whoah!
I loved his look, too, it's super-hot. Also loved that you chose this picture to go with this weeks recap :)
2.) Elena's reaction when Damon said "Hi" so casually was hilarious! She's all in the moment, panting, groping at him, really enjoying herself and then Damon says "Hi," casually greeting someone as he's still pressed against her boobs, panting against her throat and her expression was all 'Whu? What is he saying?' Before he said "Bon-bon." So hysterical.
Yeah, it was very hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing.
3.) The fact that Damon could stay all pressed up against her, not moving at first, staying all comfortable and cozy there, casually greeting Bonnie with that look on his face made it pretty clear that Damon has been in this situation where he's been watched before. And I'm thinking that Ian Somerhalder probably played it that way specifically thinking that Damon Salvatore has indeed been in this situation several times before where he's been watched and done a lot more than just some heavy petting. Uh huh.

And we even know of one case: Remember in season 3 Sage was watching him making out with Rebekah and even sharing in a bit. He didn't really seem to care back then. So I'm sure that hasn't been his first time. Also it's Bonnie interrupting them, Bonnie whom he has lived with for months and who has become like his closest friend as of right now. Therefore he is very relaxed in her presence and has no problem with her seeing him like that. I'm sure he would have reacted the same way if Alaric had interrupted him back in season 2 or 3. So I think it's actually an attest to how big their friendship and level of comfort with each other is right now.
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Arabian: Damon01arabian on March 23rd, 2015 06:45 am (UTC)
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I just hope in this case Elena will turn again later on and on her own volition, too, because of her love for Damon and the promise of eternity. But wait,

that was impossible, right? Vampire blood didn't work on cured-Katherine!


Right, so Damon will become human because there is a cure in 1903! and Damon can get that and then Damon can have what he always wanted and they can have THEIR human love story together! :D *sigh*

I think Damon would never allow Elena to become so vulnerable that she wouldn't only be a fragile human being again

Damon would give her that choice; he knows that it is what Elena wants... to be human. (Can you tell I really want this?)

RE: Happy Elena, don't think about it as "her optimism is annoying," what's frustrating is not that she's happy, it's that we don't have the fully matured, adult Elena yet because she doesn't have those memories that enabled that growth. Once she has that PLUS her happiness, then it will all feel right completely.

Remember in season 3 Sage was watching him making out with Rebekah and even sharing in a bit.

Yeah, I know. I don't think I was clear enough in my original point. I was trying to be subtle. I was trying to say that I think that Ian was playing it as if Damon HAS totally been involved in sexual situations where he has had sex multiple times where he has been watched by people while he is having sex and has gotten off on it. That was my point, I was just trying to be less than blunt about it. I don't think it being Bonnie or Alaric has anything to do with it. Damon is totally cool with anyone watching him have sex because it's happened enough; that's how Ian played it I thought. ;)
(Anonymous) on March 21st, 2015 02:11 pm (UTC)
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Now, I knew that Damon and Bonnie were going to make up, but, damn, I didn't figure it would happen that quickly.
Yeah, it surprised me, too, how fast they got over their quarrel, but I think we just underestimated their bond that has built in all those months they had no one but each other. It was just hard to tell for us viewers cause Damon isn't one to just show how deep he feels for others (as you pointed out last week he has some friendship/relationship issues in that he doesn't really know how to do it in a real and healthy way) and Bonnie felt betrayed so she had all reasons to be pissed for a little while. Their friendship is still kind of new (at least for us viewers who didn't get to see them interacting for most of the time they spent in the prison world) so that I think we still in a way have to get used to their dynamics and the way they work together. I mean this has been their first quarrel as friends together that we were allowed to witness. So I think we can and will still learn a lot about them as friends in future episodes.

Damon doing the whole greeting to his mama just like he did to his baby bro when he first saw him in the first episode.
Yeah, got the same impression here.

I think she be crazy and I kinda expect she's gonna be maybe the big bad once she realizes that her eldest has no plans to take another trip back to 1903.
Yeah, I think so, too. She'll definitely not be a happy shipper when she finds out, cause I'm pretty sure she will find out. And I still like my theory of Damon giving the cure to his mom. Maybe to cure her from ripperdom once she looses it again and comes after the innocent citizens of Mystic Falls?!

Good news, I didn't despise Annie Wersching as Lily, yay! I thought she was good.
Yes, she wasn't bad as an actor, I just can't seem to like the character she's playing and it's hard to cope with Lilian Salvatore when for years your idea of Damon and Stefan's mom has been so contrary to what we get now.

So my first thought was that Kai was dead, but it makes more sense that they would use him as a human blood bag to stay alive;
Yeah, it would be the wise thing to do to keep him alive. But these vampires aren't just almost starved to death, but also had been freshly turned before being put into this prison world and their teacher hadn't really been a role model for snap-eat-erase or restraint when it comes to humans (in my eyes pig blood doesn't count cause Stefan gets along quite well, too, when being on animal blood; he doesn't gorge himself on it; now I wonder what will happen if Lily tastes human blood again? Hmmm.). So who knows if Kai will survive? I guess we'll find out next episode.


Heh, I loved the screensaver on the computer that Lily was looking at being something that looked similar to the auroras boreales.
Haha, me, too.

So all in all I really enjoyed this episode and your recap was great as always and made me think about some things again. So thank you a lot. Please never stop writing them!
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Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on March 23rd, 2015 06:51 am (UTC)
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I think we just underestimated their bond that has built in all those months they had no one but each other.

Honestly, it wasn't that for me. I thought that they COULD make up quickly, I just wasn't sure that the show would actually be so nice to me! LOL! I mean, I continue to be in awe of how beautifully the Damon/Bonnie friendship is being written because this is EXACTLY what I dreamed of so seeing them write it this way just shocks me because this *is* totally what I would have wanted and expected to happen... and it did!

And I still like my theory of Damon giving the cure to his mom.

I DON'T! {pouts angrily!} It belongs to Elena!! And then Damon will get the cure from 1903 (as pointed out by serpentinesoul below that there must be another one there!) and they will get there human life together, having babies, having a life, growing old together... *sigh*

I just can't seem to like the character she's playing

I don't think you're supposed to....

So my first thought was that Kai was dead, but it makes more sense that they would use him as a human blood bag to stay alive;"

But according to Lily they're all about control and stuff... so :shrug: and your theory is good too! That Kai just can't die in the prison world too.

So who knows if Kai will survive?

I'm sure he will.

So all in all I really enjoyed this episode and your recap was great as always and made me think about some things again. So thank you a lot. Please never

stop writing them!


Aww, thank you. And thanks for your detailed replies! You know, you can register with LJ and get an account to respond so you can see when I respond back to you and get pretty icons. :)
jairem08jairem08 on March 21st, 2015 08:10 pm (UTC)
forgot to log in the first time and posted this under anonymous. Herewith with my user name:


First I have to get over the hotness of the hot hot DE gifs......
I think you didn't change the episode number for the latest write up - should be 6.17. I almost overlooked the latest one because of that.

Thank you for the fast review. I was very anxious to read your opinion and summary.

Should we worry about the cure? Will Elena take it? Will someone force it down her throat? Will she not take it or not want to take it?
I put in my comment for episode 16 that I think that her tuning human will bring her memories back. And it seems now that it is more plausible.

Although how will the show handle human Elena and Vampire Damon as the endgame? If Elena won't be able to turn back to vampire and if there is no other way for Damon to turn human? I don't even want to think about the long term implications.

Because I'm pretty sure that human Elena will love and choose Damon and her memories will come back but they might not have their forever together. Really curious how this will be handled if it happens and she becomes human. But again just a speculation.

I would love them to end up either both vampires or both humans. So that they can have their time together and happy.

I love their interaction this episode and of course the hot hot make up session with hot and steamy Damon. I can't get enough. Will ogle the gifs again very soon.

I wonder if Stefan decided to drive Caroline crazy with his no humanity antics and force her to turn it back on. It felt like that. But then it also felt like he wanted to pull her to his level of switch-off. Caroline is very well behaved non humanity vampire. She even shed a tear during her audition. But Stefan pushed her towards the darkness.

It is interesting that their first time together was during their non humanity faze just like DE first time was under the sire bond. So you are right. There will be another first time. How long will this faze go on?

Agree on the Enzo/Alaric dynamics. They can all work together and hopefully be friends.

Curious about Damon's reaction to Sarah. How it will be brought to his attention and under what circumstances.

Mamma Salvatore is one crazy one. I don't trust her. Though we never know with this show.
Her vamp family set up seems quite creepy. Will they wreak havoc when they come back from 1903? Because they will. And Kai with them.



I felt quite bad for Kai. I did. But he has long way to go to redeem himself I think. He indeed has it bad for Bonnie. But I think Bonnie had something snap in her and I think she has become darker. I wonder where this is going with her.

Alaric and Jo just do not hold my attention. Until his attitude towards Damon is openly cleared out and explained I don't know how I feel about him. I'm still holding out for your theory to be right.

I wonder what will Damon do with the cure. Knowing how much he loves Elena I'm sure he will give it to her. Curious about Elena's reaction to that.

thank you for the fast post! Really appreciate it.

When is the hiatus over?
Arabian: Damon08arabian on March 22nd, 2015 08:37 am (UTC)

First I have to get over the hotness of the hot hot DE gifs......

SO HOT!!

I think you didn't change the episode number for the latest write up - should be 6.17. I almost overlooked the latest one because of that.

Ugh! I keep doing that!! Thanks, I fixed it.

Should we worry about the cure? Will Elena take it? Will someone force it down her throat? Will she not take it or not want to take it?

I think she's gonna take it. I could be wrong, but why would they bring it back only to have the exact same result? Elena choosing not to take it, you know? And serpentinesoul brought up a REALLY great point (that had been niggling in the back of my mind). There's another cure in the 1903 prison world so there's a cure for Damon too now!!!

Although how will the show handle human Elena and Vampire Damon as the endgame?

That's not what I think the endgame will be. I've never thought it would be that. I think it will be Elena AND Damon human. We were given that scene in 2.12 where Damon revealed his soul so devastastingly that he missed being human so much for a reason. Yes, yes, he told Elena that he didn't want to be human in 4.13, but he was lying! He just said that because he believed that she wouldn't want him anymore when she was human. He believed at that point that she only loved him because of the sire bond so he was being selfless with her again. So see the last point in the comment above--THERE IS ANOTHER CURE IN THE 1903 PRISON WORLD!

If Elena won't be able to turn back to vampire and if there is no other way for Damon to turn human? I don't even want to think about the long term implications.

THERE IS ANOTHER CURE IN THE 1903 PRISON WORLD!

I would love them to end up either both vampires or both humans. So that they can have their time together and happy.

Right, but at heart we know that they both WANT to be human. Damon, because of 2.12, and Elena because she's made it clear the ONLY reason she's OK with being a vampire is because she will have forever with Damon. That's the only plus.

I wonder if Stefan decided to drive Caroline crazy with his no humanity antics and force her to turn it back on. It felt like that.

No. In his first scene he had killed the director by ripping his head off. A humanity-full Stefan would NOT have done that. His humanity-switch is done flipped.

Caroline is very well behaved non humanity vampire.

Caroline is the queen of OCD control-freakiness.

She even shed a tear during her audition.

She was acting.

How long will this phase go on?

No clue, but I'm thinking not more than a few more episodes, but with this show? No idea.

Curious about Damon's reaction to Sarah. How it will be brought to his attention and under what circumstances.

I'm thinking now very soon because she now knows that she is a Salvatore so I expect her to show up very soon so maybe even the next episode there will be a big ole family reunion. Damon, Stefan, Lily and Sarah!

Mamma Salvatore is one crazy one. I don't trust her. Though we never know with this show.

No, we know! She be crazy!

Re: Alaric - I'm still holding out for your theory to be right.

Me too. *sigh* Me too.

When is the hiatus over?

The show comes back April 16th.
jairem08jairem08 on March 22nd, 2015 08:49 am (UTC)
Cure
I so hope that the show has plans with the cure from 1903 and that it will happen.
Just technical questions:

Can they travel to the island directly through the time and appear there? If they had to travel from Mystic Falls without any means of modern transport then it will take them forever? Bonnie drove there in the Camaro. Unless it will be done by a vampire in vamp speed.
Also how did Bonnie retrieve the cure? Jeremy had to die while his blood revived Silas and his neck was snapped. Bonnie just couldn't pry it out of his hands? And did she release Silas at that time? Unless I'm missing something.

So in 1903 if they logistically manage to get to the cure fast how will they pry it out of Silas? Maybe bring blood and release him?

Otherwise yay for that! Cure is present in 1903 and I'm so up for having them both human eventually.
Mattghidorah15 on March 22nd, 2015 11:43 pm (UTC)
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There was no Silas in the 1994 Prison World. It was designed to be devoid of any human being, former or current, save Kai. So Bonnie would've found the cure just sitting there in the cave, free for the taking.

Edited at 2015-03-22 11:44 pm (UTC)
jairem08jairem08 on March 23rd, 2015 03:50 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
Thank you, that makes sense. Completely slipped my mind.
Mattghidorah15 on March 23rd, 2015 04:00 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
Nada problem. :)
Arabian: Bonnie02arabian on March 23rd, 2015 06:54 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
ghidorah15 already answered about the cure, but as for getting to Novia Scotia, remember Lily was trapped in the prison world at New York harbor and she traveled to Mystic Falls. So Damon, Elena and Bonnie could just go to Novia Scotia in present day, do the time-traveling spell there, get the cure, and then time-travel back to present day and travel back in present-day air travel.

Easy-peasy. :)

Edited at 2015-03-23 06:54 am (UTC)
jairem08jairem08 on March 23rd, 2015 08:04 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
That totally makes sense too if they can travel to the place of choice and use the transport tool to appear in the same place in the prison world. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Florencia: DE (I've Never Felt More Alive)florencia7 on March 21st, 2015 10:50 pm (UTC)
part I
YAY! You've already posted this!!! ♥

”Watching this episode, I realized that it was because Elena Gilbert was happy and we're just not used to that.” - Ha, you're right! I didn't think of that much either. But you're so right. This may be it.

”it made perfect sense that Elena was not going to look deeper into Bonnie's issues upon her return, into the fact that if Stefan has a niece so why doesn't Damon know” - Now I actually think that maybe Stefan simply didn't tell Elena that he kept Sarah secret from Damon? Or at least didn't tell her exactly why? I don't think he told her all the gruesome details, probably just said he wanted her to have a normal life and that was the reason why he didn't tell Damon and that he wanted to tell him later himself, that's why Elena hasn't mentioned Sarah to Damon yet...

”there clearly was no communication issue in this episode on that front at all. Especially when thinking back, Damon knew what was going on with Caroline so it's likely that Elena had filled him in on the situation with her.” - That's true. I was also being a little paranoid about it haha It's good to have it confirmed that there's nothing to worry about in this department, after all.

”Elena so casually calling Stefan an "epic" love to Damon like that and so casually putting the two relationships on the same level like that? I was all, hell no, Elena! / But, you know, that's a result of an Elena with no memory of all that's happened with Damon.” - lol Yes, I literally *froze* when Elena delivered her “epic loves” line, but a) I totally blamed the missing memories for that, b) she redeemed herself quickly enough by brining back only the picture of baby!Damon lol

”I want to see a human Elena choose Damon. Definitively.” - Yes, that's VERY tempting and I can be on board with that IF we'll also get human!Damon eventually, but I actually think Elena won't take the cure. I really really and I mean REALLY hope that the cure will only serve as the trigger for Elena's memories: Damon giving Elena the necklace was the key memory, a selfless act – and now Damon giving Elena the cure would also be a selfless act. So I REALLY hope that's what they're going for. That by re-creating the moment when Elena realizes how much Damon loves her and that she loves him, her memories will come flooding back.

”So many were bitching about the fact that Damon and Elena's first time was intercut with Stefan and Caroline, and here they had Stefan and Caroline's first time intercut with… Damon and Elena. Not nearly as bad, but still. I mean, come on… how can you not love this show? I just—I just love it so much.” - Oh yeah, that's KARMA! Plain and simple lol

”And then once Elena who clearly has *not* been in this situation several times before (except, you know, those two times when Jeremy caught her and Damon*) in totally adorable, but unnecessary embarrassment walked out, we had our new BFFs in action again.” - I have to say, I found it a little weird that Elena walked out WITHOUT any indication from Bonnie that she came to see Damon specifically. Why would Elena assume that? She should assume Bonnie came to visit both of them... I think. I just think it's odd that from Elena's BFF Bonnie suddenly became Damon's BFF, as if she couldn't be both. Not that I think she's being a good friend to either of them right now, but still lol

” And who didn't know what the plan was as soon as that scene ended? ” - That'd be... ME! Lol I actually didn't see that coming haha
Arabian: Damon & Elena45arabian on March 23rd, 2015 07:10 am (UTC)
Re: part I
YAY! You've already posted this!!! ♥

I know, right?!?!

”Watching this episode, I realized that it was because Elena Gilbert was happy and we're just not used to that.” - Ha, you're right! I didn't think of that much either. But you're so right. This may be it.

We just are so not used to seeing Elena happy!

Now I actually think that maybe Stefan simply didn't tell Elena that he kept Sarah secret from Damon? Or at least didn't tell her exactly why?

That's another possiblity. This *is* Stefan--he who only tells the details necessary that he deems fit to tell.

RE - D/E Communication: I was also being a little paranoid about it haha It's good to have it confirmed that there's nothing to worry about in this department, after all.

Yup, I was a tad paranoid myself. So, not just you.

Yes, that's VERY tempting and I can be on board with that IF we'll also get human!Damon eventually

OOH! OOH! serpentinesoul pointed out... if there's a cure in 1994, there's also a cure in 1903!!! Damon can get one too!!!

but I actually think Elena won't take the cure.

Why have the same result now that we had in season 06? I have hopes she will, dangit!

Damon giving Elena the necklace was the key memory, a selfless act – and now Damon giving Elena the cure would also be a selfless act. So I REALLY hope that's what they're going for. That by re-creating the moment when Elena realizes how much Damon loves her and that she loves him, her memories will come flooding back.

That is a good point, I'll grant you that though.

Oh yeah, that's KARMA! Plain and simple lol

LMAO! I loved it so hard.

I have to say, I found it a little weird that Elena walked out WITHOUT any indication from Bonnie that she came to see Damon specifically.

But it's DAMON'S house. Elena doesn't live there right now. She lives at the dorm. If Bonnie was looking for Elena at Damon's house she would say, 'Hey, Elena, I was looking for you and figured you were here.' Without saying that, obviously then she was there FOR Damon at Damon's house. The logical assumption would be that she's going there to see Damon. If she was going to see Elena, Bonnie would have stopped her, 'Wait, no, I was looking for you.'

”And who didn't know what the plan was as soon as that scene ended? ” - That'd be... ME! Lol I actually didn't see that coming haha

You're not the only. I guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was. Hmmm. OK, go me!

Edited at 2015-03-23 07:11 am (UTC)
Florencia: Damon (Bear)florencia7 on March 23rd, 2015 08:19 pm (UTC)
Re: part I
"if there's a cure in 1994, there's also a cure in 1903!!!" - Ohhhh That's a good point! I didn't think of that! That might be a pretty good motivation for someone to go back to 1903 & perhaps that's how we'll get Kai *and* the bunch of surely friendly vampires back ;D
Florencia: TVD (Enzo)florencia7 on March 21st, 2015 10:52 pm (UTC)
part II
”And she trusts him with the cure now instead of just giving it to Elena herself because Bonnie trusts him, giving him the choice to make.” - But *should* it be Damon's choice to make? Should Bonnie be delegating a decision concerning Elena's future to her boyfriend? I just think there's so many things wrong with this “gift” that I don't know where to start lol First of all, why bring back the cure AT ALL? Hasn't “spying” on HAPPY Damon & Elena ALL SUMMER and listening to Damon talking about their love for FOUR MONTHS given Bonnie a clue that they wanted to be together forever??? Why would TORTURE them with that ridiculous dilemma again? Why DRIVE THEM APART? Because that's what the cure would ultimately do! Elena would grow old and DIE while Damon would stay a vampire. WORST. “GIFT.” EVER. Lol

” That was definitely unexpected. Although interesting to learn that it is possible for a Ripper to potentially learn to control their Ripper tendencies as such.” - I actually think Lily made that up to present her “traveling companions” in a favorable light ;)

”After all, this means that they'll get another first "first" time when their switches are back on.” - Considering that we're *still* waiting for a happy (= no people talking/sire bond/break-up/amnesia in between) DE love scene... good luck with that! Lol (I gave up waiting for ~traditional love scenes on this show a while ago ^^)

”Do you know what I also liked a lot so hard this episode? Prepare to be surprised. Enzo, yes, Enzo. I really, really, *really* liked Enzo in this one.” - Me too! I'm so happy Enzo has FINALLY seen the light and now hopefully his storyline will start going somewhere lol

”Yeah, can we to be getting on to the bromances of Damon Salvatore and his two bros?” - I SO second that! YES, PLEASE.

”He was adorably so Alaric tonight.” - Come on. You don't actually think that! Lol Would S1!Alaric be *afraid* to go after a couple vampires, because... he was merely human??? That's pretty much the gist of what he told Enzo! One of S1!Alaric's traits was bravery, wasn't it? And it was MIA, at least during his first conversation with Enzo.

”I dunno, I just thought that was odd, and I find it unlikely that the whole Duke thing wasn't deliberate for us to note since Duke was a pretty durn big part of Isobel's story.” - Yes, that was pretty noticeable and I'm also curious what they would bring that up. Interesting.

Yes, it was an awesome episode and I can't wait to see how everything will play out! Somehow last season around ep.17 I felt like we were heading toward some conclusions, but this season I feel like things are only starting to heat up! It's exciting!

LOVE reading this post! ♥ Thank you for writing it! ♥ ♥
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on March 23rd, 2015 07:30 am (UTC)
Re: part II
But *should* it be Damon's choice to make?

I think she's letting it be Damon's choice because she feels like she owes him her life right now. She wouldn't have remembered about the magic had it not been for his notes to Novia Scotia. The only reason he was going to Novia Scotia was to get the cure for Elena. It was *that* important to him. So she knows that even though it's "Damon's" choice, she knows it's really not. She knows that it's going to be Elena's because he's going to give it to Elena to make the choice.

Should Bonnie be delegating a decision concerning Elena's future to her boyfriend?

And as for Bonnie giving to to him, she's a little screwed up emotionally right now.

why bring back the cure AT ALL?

Because they all fought so hard to get it before. Jeremy DIED for that cure, and then Bonnie DIED to bring him back. They only lost the chance to cure someone with it because it had to be used as a weapon to save Elena's life.

Hasn't “spying” on HAPPY Damon & Elena ALL SUMMER and listening to Damon talking about their love for FOUR MONTHS given Bonnie a clue that they wanted to be together forever???

DAMON mapped out the trip to Novia Scotia to GET THE CURE FOR ELENA. Clearly that made it obvious that Damon wanted to get the cure for Elena.

Why would TORTURE them with that ridiculous dilemma again?

Because DAMON wanted to get the cure for Elena. Because Damon SELFLESSLY loves Elena. And Elena does not want to be a vampire.

Why DRIVE THEM APART?

It's not.

Because that's what the cure would ultimately do!

In what? Twenty, thirty, forty years? Damon LOVES Elena. Elena wants to be human. It's her choice to make.

Elena would grow old and DIE while Damon would stay a vampire. WORST. “GIFT.” EVER. Lol

Damon loves her so selflessly and completely and Elena does not want to be a vampire. We were reminded of that in the premiere. Don't you think that Damon knows that about her? Of course he does. Bonnie would know that about both of them.

I actually think Lily made that up to present her “traveling companions” in a favorable light ;)

Could be.

Considering that we're *still* waiting for a happy (= no people talking/sire bond/break-up/amnesia in between) DE love scene... good luck with that! Lol (I gave up waiting for ~traditional love scenes on this show a while ago ^^)

To be fair, I think that after the love scenes between DE in 4.07/4.08 the CW standards/practices woke up and were like WTF? because we've basically had not much at all in the love scene department since then with any couple. D/E (in 5.17 and their various make-outs) are still hottest/the most we get now. I think with this show coming on at 8pm and especially with what happened in 4.08 at the top of the hour (his hand running over her boob, nipple-age, clear intention on both parts of oral action, actual thrusting, climax), S&P probably watches this show like a hawk now. Alas.

You don't actually think that!

I do!

Lol Would S1!Alaric be *afraid* to go after a couple vampires, because... he was merely human??? That's pretty much the gist of what he told Enzo! One of S1!Alaric's traits was bravery, wasn't it? And it was MIA, at least during his first conversation with Enzo.

He wasn't afraid at all! He was simply thinking of his unborn child. But he brushed that aside after one conversation. Pshaw!

RE: Duke - Yes, that was pretty noticeable and I'm also curious what they would bring that up. Interesting.

Something is going on, dangit!

Thank you for writing it! ♥ ♥

Thanks as always for commenting. :D
Florencia: Damon (I Wanted It To Be Real)florencia7 on March 23rd, 2015 08:17 pm (UTC)
Re: part II
"Because DAMON wanted to get the cure for Elena." - But that was a looooong time ago lol

"And Elena does not want to be a vampire." - Yes, she didn't want to be a vampire, but she wanted eternity with Damon and she did tell Alaric that she didn't want to be a vampire *UNTIL* she discovered the good part = that love could be eternal. So Bonnie is either underinforned or ~knows better ;)
Arabian: Elena09arabian on March 24th, 2015 12:08 am (UTC)
Re: part II
No, Damon wanted to get the cure for Elena this past summer while Damon and Bonnie were trapped. He mapped out the route to Novia Scotia while he was trapped in 1994 meaning that he was planning on getting the cure for Elena THEN! Not that long ago. He was planning on bringing her the cure back with him from 1994 if he ever made it back.

Yes, Elena told Alaric that she discovered the good thing was having eternal love with Damon, but my point was that the show MADE A POINT of letting us know that the ONLY thing that Elena thought was good about being a vampire was that. Therefore, without her memories of that soulmate love with Damon, it would make sense she'd take the cure now (which she didn't in "Graduation") and if Damon CAN get the cure from 1903, Elena would get her happy ending with Damon and her both human. (And we know from 2.12 that Damon truly misses being human.) That's my point, the show was letting us know that Elena doesn't want to be a vampire, it's ONLY her love for Damon that makes it bearable. That was the point the show let us in on.
Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on March 24th, 2015 08:33 pm (UTC)
Re: part II
"No, Damon wanted to get the cure for Elena this past summer while Damon and Bonnie were trapped. He mapped out the route to Novia Scotia while he was trapped in 1994 meaning that he was planning on getting the cure for Elena THEN!" - AHHHH REALLY?!?!?! Oh dear. I must've like... TOTALLY missed that o___O I thought they mapped out the route just for Bonnie's sake? When they were trying to make contact with her? They managed to draw/mark the route and then Bonnie noticed it? I can't recall Damon mentioning wishing to get the cure this season. Hm... Re-watch is definitely in order! ^^
Arabian: Damon & Elena43arabian on March 25th, 2015 01:42 am (UTC)
Re: part II
Yes, that was in that episode, but we also had the information given in this last episode also in that final Damon/Bonnie scene:

Damon: The cure, the cure to vampirism.
Bonnie: I knew you were planning on getting it yourself. You had the whole route mapped down to the kilometer.
Damon: Why are you giving me this.
Bonnie: Because my mom is surprisingly happy as a vampire. Because I have full faith that will get Caroline back to normal the old-fashioned way. But mostly because I knew you wanted it for Elena.

tj2013tj2013 on March 25th, 2015 09:28 am (UTC)
Damon, the map and the cure
Wow - I totally missed that part. I had also thought that they mapped it out simply for Bonnie to find the island. Never thought that Damon had already planned it while being in 1994. You're right. Thanks for clarifying.

Edited at 2015-03-25 09:28 am (UTC)
Florencia: DE (I Just Call to Say)florencia7 on March 25th, 2015 08:57 pm (UTC)
Re: part II
I don't know why I totally thought Bonnie was talking about their S4 search!
Mattghidorah15 on March 22nd, 2015 01:09 am (UTC)
Wow - another episode where Joshua Butler didn't miss a beat. What the heck happened? Did he take some directing classes over the summer break?

In any case, I don't really have much to add, just two things to point out. One, I didn't quite get that Damon was planning with Bonnie to strand Kai in the 1903 Prison World all along. It does make sense in hindsight, I just missed that detail when watching it. Second, I thought Enzo might've been sincere in what he said to Sarah. You could probably argue either way on the "Salvatore" slip, but I suppose I'll defer to your judgment that it was intentional. Still, he's become interesting to me again - and yes, he and Alaric work really well together. Can they iron things out with Damon and be the revitalized Team Badass, perchance?

And the cure is back...kewl. That's going to change things for certain.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric03arabian on March 22nd, 2015 08:18 am (UTC)
Wow - another episode where Joshua Butler didn't miss a beat. What the heck happened? Did he take some directing classes over the summer break?

Perhaps he did! I mean, he could have held a few shots a bit longer, but overall a definite improvement from his earlier episodes that is for sure!

In any case, I don't really have much to add, just two things to point out. One, I didn't quite get that Damon was planning with Bonnie to strand Kai in the 1903 Prison World all along.

Hmm, really? OK, maybe I was just super-intuitive tonight because you're the second person to say this! Woohoo! Go me!

Second, I thought Enzo might've been sincere in what he said to Sarah. You could probably argue either way on the "Salvatore" slip, but I suppose I'll defer to your judgment that it was intentional.

I thought that at first, I really did, but while talking about it with a friend, it hit me with such blinding clarity, *of course* that's his new plan. OF COURSE IT IS! Because the vampire plan won't work any more. And since it's going to take time for Stefan to come out of his ripper phase, he needs to take a longer journey anyway.

Still, he's become interesting to me again

Right!

and yes, he and Alaric work really well together.

Double right!

Can they iron things out with Damon and be the revitalized Team Badass, perchance?

Triple right!

And the cure is back...kewl. That's going to change things for certain.

Uh huh!!!

Edited at 2015-03-22 08:18 am (UTC)
serpentinesoulserpentinesoul on March 22nd, 2015 04:03 am (UTC)
"Yes, yes, I know some people are upset about the cure being brought back into play. I am not. Not in the slightest. Look, I said it back when it happened and I sorta, kinda, mostly got over it, but I still maintain that I feel we were cheated out of experiencing human!Elena with vampire!Damon. If this is going to allow us to have that, then damnit, I'm all for it. I want to see a human Elena choose Damon. Definitively."

Guys....guys! We are forgetting one very important fact here...

THE CURE STILL EXISTS IN 1903.

In fact, the cure still exists in every single prison world out there.

Yet another reason why I think we'll be back in 1903 before season's end.

And furthermore, this is how we could end up with human!DE in the end :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena35arabian on March 22nd, 2015 07:52 am (UTC)
Ooh, ooh!! Very, very good point!! It kept niggling at me the fact that Bonnie was able to get the cure in 1994 and it wouldn't effect the events of what happened in 2012 Mystic Falls because the prison world of 1994 is also an alternate pocket universe. And I kept going back to it every time I watched that scene and there was a part of me wondering why I kept reminding myself of that. THIS IS WHY!!! There is now another freaking cure out there! Both Damon and Elena can have that cure now!

Hey! Where have you been?! :D
serpentinesoulserpentinesoul on March 23rd, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
That scene was nagging at me, too. It wasn't until after I'd watched this ep, and I was having a completely unrelated conversation with my SO yesterday that *poof* epiphany! - right in the middle of his sentence lol. And I HAD to share :D

As for where I've been - oh, you know, life lol. Things have been super busy at work, and I got behind and stayed behind on my viewings/reading your unparalleled write-ups (seriously, these are just crazy good). I started getting caught up during the hiatus, but by the time I made it through your write-ups, I felt like everyone had already mentioned anything I would have contributed to the discussion, so I stayed mum.

You catch all the nuanced details of this show--how the actors play a scene, the direction, where the writers are going, etc.--things I've never even thought about and that enrich the whole experience for me.

I'm glad I was able to contribute something really good this week and return the favor :)
Arabian: Damon & Elena40arabian on March 23rd, 2015 08:59 am (UTC)
That scene was nagging at me, too. It wasn't until after I'd watched this ep, and I was having a completely unrelated conversation with my SO yesterday that *poof* epiphany! - right in the middle of his sentence lol. And I HAD to share :D

Glad you figured it out. I must have watched it so many times and it just kept bugging me and couldn't figure out why, but you did! YAY!!! So glad you did share.

by the time I made it through your write-ups, I felt like everyone had already mentioned anything I would have contributed to the discussion, so I stayed mum.

Ah, damn you life! I can understand. Well, hopefully now that you're caught up you can join in. :)

You catch all the nuanced details of this show--how the actors play a scene, the direction, where the writers are going, etc.--things I've never even thought about and that enrich the whole experience for me.

Aww, thanks. :)

I'm glad I was able to contribute something really good this week and return the favor :)

You totes did! :D ♥

Edited at 2015-03-23 09:00 am (UTC)
tj2013tj2013 on March 23rd, 2015 07:42 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your great write-up !Sorry I am really late with my comment. Most of the things have already been discussed, but I wanted to touch on a few things:

I totally adored your analysis of Elena's state of mind. That was very enlighting. Enlightening? Hmph. Anyway, I 've always loved Elena and I loved to watch her grow and get stronger and becoming an adult with Damon's influence. Yes, all that is missing right now, she is growing again, but under different circumstances - but I love her nonetheless.

Your comment on the DE-love scenes: huh, I never saw it that way, but it totally makes sense why we don't see any "heavy" love scenes anymore.

The cure: if Damon gets another cure in 1903 he might take it alongside Elena, but wouldn't he be aging very fast, like Katherine did? It seems to me the only ones being able to take the cure without side-effects would be Elena or Caroline because they are so very young (as vampires).

Loved the episode overall, I didn't expect so much (because, duh, Joshua Butler), but he did a really good job. Loved the parallels, even the mentioning of Abby(which only makes sense to the viewers who have seen Season 3 and 4), all things Bonnie and Damon...

I love this show. And thanks to you I love it even more.
jairem08jairem08 on March 23rd, 2015 09:09 pm (UTC)
Cure
I think Katherine only started aging fast once Silas drained cure out of her blood system when Damon served her to him in the boarding house. I think that was the reason. If it remained within her system so to speak she would have aged normally from her biological age at the stage she was after she took the cure.
I caught up with this after re watch of some episode of season 5. Cannot remember now which one. So I think if Damon took the cure he could live normal human life and age normally without any sped up aging.
Arabian: Katherine03arabian on March 24th, 2015 12:10 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
Yes, that is correct. It was Silas drinking the cure from her that aged her up. Damon would just age normally if he took the cure.
tj2013tj2013 on March 24th, 2015 06:51 am (UTC)
Re: Cure
Oh, good point. I totally forgot about Silas. Thanks for clearing that up. See, I haven't done my Season 5 rewatch yet... :-)
ab4157ab4157 on March 24th, 2015 08:06 am (UTC)
i finally read your post! i didn't sleep last night (evidenced by my comments at 5 in the morning), so i'm going to do some thinking and possibly sleeping and will hopefully comment something coherent when i have something coherent to bring to the table. in other words, i'll comment again tmrw lol
ab4157ab4157 on March 29th, 2015 01:08 am (UTC)
Talking about a trio you want to see more of, I'd like to see another one--bonnie, elena, and damon. there were a few times throughout the ep where damon interacted with bonnie on his own. i just kept wishing elena was with them. we could see her reaction to their new friendship, and it'd be awesome.

i didn't love josh butler's directing this ep. there were moments where i did. and there moments where his choices took me out of the story. there were a couple of times i thought he chose wide shots that were just too far away. like that scene where stefan and caroline were on the bed. there was some camera movement that felt awkward. he did make some bold, artistic choices that fit the story well though. so, i gotta give props where they're due.

i'm trying to make sense of that epic line from her perspective. you may be right. it may just be a compelled!elena thing that's in character. it, along with the confusion about the baby picture, is definitely setting up the cure storyline--playing to damon's insecurities about SE. i hope this storyline also does things for Elena's characterization and isn't just there to serve DE and validate Damon.

And, well, i hate to say it. I do. But i still don't like the way the writers are treating Elena. what you wrote actually makes me feel more strongly about that. it doesn't say good things that they're making her happy. there's no tension in happy. nothing to resolve. when a character wants for nothing, what are we supposed to want for her? damon, bonnie, caroline, and stefan are dealing with some tough stuff and aren't happy. Elena? she's content. I would say she wants her memories, but she doesn't seem all that bothered by having a chunk of her mind altered. i just disagree about this. I really hope the cure storyline changes all of this. maybe there's a good reason for this extended happy period that isn't about neglecting the character. maybe it's building towards something really cool, and i'll have better perspective once the season's finished.

Yay, steroline! That motorcycle scene was awesome and hilarious. All of the scenes. All of it. "Has Stefan without his humanity ever had this much fun dealing with someone?" Maybe with Klaus in the 1920's lol but seriously, so much fun to see them with their humanity switched off.

Elena trying to impress the future mother in law was so cute. She was just such a great girlfriend throughout the episode. So supportive. "It always pays to see the good in someone" (not exact quote obviously) as a not so subtle way of saying she's grateful to have found her way back to him. She took his picture home. All of this was so cute and sweet and lovely and her heart eyes when she mentioned a forever with him again. Just great.

Enzo's lost interest in playing his game, so I've gained interest in him. So interesting about what you said, that it was intentional his "slipping" that Salvatore bit in. Didn't catch that. Not at all.

"Kai has it so bad for Bonnie." YES. What's going to happen with the two of them??

"Hmm, so I was wrong about the blood supply just replenishing each day as I figured it would since the groceries had replenished themselves in 1994 as I had said in response to the question in the comments to the last episode's write-up. Oh well, I thought it made sense." Oh, I didn't. Bonnie and Kai, humans, come back to life but animals/pigs don't. I can't find sense there.

"Heh, I loved the screensaver on the computer that Lily was looking at being something that looked similar to the auroras boreales." ME TOO!!! So freaking funny. tbt to 1903.

Thanks for your post. Sorry for my delayed response. Life, etc.
Arabian: Damon & Elena49arabian on March 29th, 2015 04:57 am (UTC)
Talking about a trio you want to see more of, I'd like to see another one--bonnie, elena, and damon.

Agreed; but I think they needed to repair Damon and Bonnie first, and honestly until Elena's memories are integrated I don't think we'll get the full measure of the awesomeness of seeing the three together.

i didn't love josh butler's directing this ep.

The fact that you loved moments is a big win for a Butler-directed episode, though, and that you were only kinda taken out of the episode as opposed to him completely ruining the intention of the scene and characterization of the character is a BIG PLUS. You take what you can get with him.

i'm trying to make sense of that epic line from her perspective. you may be right.

Yes. And I'm going to take this further later on.

i hope this storyline also does things for Elena's characterization and isn't just there to serve DE and validate Damon.

It is, again... further down.

i still don't like the way the writers are treating Elena. there's no tension in happy. nothing to resolve.

If it was JUST that she was happy, I would agree, but my second paragraph is VERY important when talking about Elena without ALL OF THE DARK, DEEPENING, MATURING MEMORIES, so she is a little shallow, she lacks depth, she doesn't think things through. There's not as much there. When the memories come back, then we get the FULL ELENA GILBERT PACKAGE. We don't have her right now because a HUGE PART of who Elena Gilbert is became that person WITH Damon, loving Damon, accepting her love for Damon, growing into her love for Damon, dealing with her love for Damon and then living and loving her love for Damon. All of that is gone. That PLUS happy Elena is what we have now. I was explaining the difference between the Elena pre-with Damon + no memories and the Elena post-with Damon + no memories.

That motorcycle scene was awesome and hilarious. All of the scenes. All of it. "Has Stefan without his humanity ever had this much fun dealing with someone?" Maybe with Klaus in the 1920's lol but seriously, so much fun to see them with their humanity switched off.

No, not with Klaus and Rebekah (Rebekah was SOO a part of the equation!), that doesn't even come close because Stefan was using Klaus as a replacement for Damon and Rebekah as a replacement for Katherine.

Elena trying to impress the future mother in law was so cute. She was just such a great girlfriend throughout the episode. So supportive. "It always pays to see the good in someone" (not exact quote obviously) as a not so subtle way of saying she's grateful to have found her way back to him. She took his picture home. All of this was so cute and sweet and lovely and her heart eyes when she mentioned a forever with him again. Just great.

SEE?!??! When you step back and just take Elena at her face value in this episode, the girl was freaking A-DOR-A-BLE! She doesn't need to be all angsty right now, because when the memories come, she will be. Knowing that she gave up on Damon too soon will probably break her heart, that she put him through that, that she almost through them away is going to be painful... and we don't even know what is yet to come. Just wait, you're gonna miss happy Elena!!

Re: Enzo still playing the long game to punish Stefan--Didn't catch that. Not at all.

So what he is doing!</i>

Oh well, I thought it made sense." Oh, I didn't. Bonnie and Kai, humans, come back to life but animals/pigs don't. I can't find sense there.

Two things I think you're confusing. I thought MY theory made sense. That the blood supply would regenerate just like the groceries regenerated each day. As for the humans coming back to life, they didn't. Bonnie never died in 1994, she just got beat the hell up and back, but she survived. Kai couldn't die, but as he told whoever (I don't remember) that was because the point of the prison world was so that he could suffer for his crimes and if he could kill himself there was no point in it. Only Kai couldn't die in his prison world. Bonnie could have died there as far as we know, she just managed to survive.

Thanks for your post. Sorry for my delayed response. Life, etc.

It so happens.
ab4157ab4157 on March 29th, 2015 05:46 am (UTC)
oh! bonnie didn't die? okay. now it makes MUCH more sense. thanks for that. indeed i was confused.

yes, their trio wouldn't be as awesome with compelled!elena, but it'd still be cool. because elena loves and trusts bonnie so much, i think elena seeing bonnie around damon would just add something fun.

I just mean they could have elena expressing a need for something right now a bit more (like...researching ways to get her memories back or something). just something about her individually. she doesn't need a super dark cloud, just...i don't know. well, i do think your take on her is helpful and insightful. so i gotta say that. i just would like more focus on elena. even a shallower elena. i'll do more thinking considering what you wrote back to me. i appreciate your response and what you wrote on the original post. i don't like negativity, but i don't like my favorite characters being sidelined. so it's reassuring that you feel she's not since i know you love her and all :p
Arabian: Elena14arabian on March 30th, 2015 06:29 am (UTC)
There has been ZERO instance of memories once compelled away being returned unless by the vampire who did the job in the first place, so why would she think there's anywhere *to* research? Plus, she's been REALLY busy! Look at the sequence of events --

1. She found out that Bonnie was alive, so she was focused pretty much exclusively on school and how to bring Bonnie back.
2. Then she was kidnapped by Kai.
3. Then they found out Liz was dying and her relationship with Damon took a new step so she was adjusting to that, PLUS, the whole continuing to get Bonnie back.
4. Jeremy left high school and left town.
5. Liz died.
6. Caroline turned her switch off--which Elena was dealing with.
7. Damon's mother turned out to be alive.

This has all happened in about a little over a month of actual storytelling time. And these all involve people that she DEEPLY loves. To--in the middle of this--decide you know it's time to concentrate on ME would be pretty damn selfish and completely UN-Elena like. Totally out of character. But she did take time out to deal with the Damon/relationship stuff which WAS about her, she did make it about her, what she wanted, what steps she wanted to take and when. Seasons 04 and 05 were pretty much non-stop HUGELY about Elena's character. Like HUGELY. I used to do these break-downs where I had four categories to see who was the central character of each episode and then from that saw who had the major arc per season.

Season 01 - Elena
Season 02 - Damon
Season 03 - Elena with Damon pretty close
Season 04 - Elena (with no one even remotely close at all)
Season 05 - Elena (with Damon a ways away)

And then Season 06 opened with the first half pretty damn heavily featuring Elena. I think right now, they are just backing off of Elena as the central character to such a HUGE degree a bit and focusing on Caroline and Stefan.
ab4157ab4157 on March 31st, 2015 06:24 am (UTC)
yup, these are all good points. thanks for your detailed reply!
Arabian: Elena16arabian on April 1st, 2015 06:55 am (UTC)
Elena-Stan on the job! :D