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21 February 2015 @ 05:28 am
6.15 - 'Let Her Go' (The Vampire Diaries)  
A little late, but here's the latest write-up of The Vampire Diaries.

For an episode that had so much happen when you think about it, this was a rather quiet, reflective episode as befitting its main storyline: the funeral for Sheriff Elizabeth Forbes. Firstly, I am very appreciative of the fact that show really went all out in honoring the character. After all, Liz was never a series regular, *only* a recurring. Out of 125 episodes, she only appeared in 44 (including this one) and in the vast majority of those in a small handful of scenes (sometimes only one or two). Yet, the show realized how important she was to our core characters, to the town of Mystic Falls, to the heart of the show and thus the viewers and so she was given a very worthy goodbye. The entire funeral, from the Last Call to Damon's eulogy to Caroline's song, it was all so very beautifully done. I won't lie, I teared up… again.

I will miss Liz dearly, and, again, I won't lie, a part of me is really *not* happy that they decided to kill off the character for story reasons because they wanted a "death that mattered." On the other hand, this is a story and story need propulsion and plot with strong emotion to move forward and love and death do that like nothing else. And honestly what they have been doing with Liz's cancer-storyline before, during and after has been so well-written from a character and plot point of view that I can't, from a writer's point of view, complain. It's just been so very good.

We've seen such growth of character in Stefan, Caroline, Elena, Jeremy, Damon, Alaric (more on that later), Matt and Tyler throughout the course of this story. We've also seen growth in the relationship between Damon and Elena, Stefan and Caroline, Damon and Caroline (which, obviously, isn't manifesting itself quite yet, but I do believe it will because of this episode mostly), Matt and Tyler (again, not quite yet, but it will because of this episode), and Alaric and Jo (more… later).

Then on top of that, Liz's story has also opened up storylines. Firstly, because of what has been going on with Liz, Stefan has been distracted, therefore Enzo has been able to set his plan in action for Sarah unheeded. Damon and Elena's and Stefan and Caroline's relationships have each taken big steps forward, and Jeremy took off for art school to be a big, bad vampire hunter really, Steven R. McQueen set off for greener pastures. And, of course, Mama Salvatore was introduced into the picture. (Way more on that later.) Finally, we got a new storyline opening up in this episode… Matt and Tyler possibly becoming deputies. Woohoo!

And all of this came from Liz dying. That's some damn good storytelling to create all of that for all of your characters from one death and still make it resonate so emotionally and be all about your characters and their journey. And that's exactly what Caroline Dries, Julie Plec and co. have done.

Ah, Julie Plec, yes, Julie Plec… didja all notice? Not only did Plec write this one solo but it's also her directorial debut, and a mighty, mighty fine job she did. I had no idea who wrote or directed this one all the way through. I thought I'd been told who directed it (Joshua Butler) and had seen the names Chad Fiveashe and James Stoteraux in the credits and I'm not big fans of either so I was surprised at how great I found the episode, but I was willing to give credit where it was due. And very happy because, hey, I love my show and if those I don't find as great as they could be hit their groove, then, fabulous! Then I checked the credits and saw Julie Plec and Julie Plec and I was like WHOAH! and, yeah, OK, it wasn't those dudes, figures, but ‘Go, Julie! Awesome job.' Because, really, awesome job.

One of the things I really liked that (as much as I ADORE Caroline Dries) is not as present in The Vampire Diaries anymore was the little moments that surprised me. Towards the end when Caroline said "I told you I'm fine, Elena," I absolutely expected it to be Stefan standing there. It was Elena. When Elena and Caroline were hugging, I expected Bonnie to come in at that moment and *that* would be what stopped Caroline from flipping the switch. (I knew there was no way that Stefan declaring his feelings would be it because this is *sooo* not that kind of show, like, evar!) And I just figured we'd see the Bonnie and Damon reunion in the next episode. Nope, instead, Caroline snapped Elena's neck. OK, then. I was not expecting that. So those were really nice, little, unexpected twists.

I also enjoyed how Plec wrote Caroline and Elena in this episode in that Elena knew how to deal with the death of a parent because she's been there, and also how Caroline acted. Her whole "I'm fine" routine was carbon-copy Elena from how we saw her in the Pilot. And so, of course, absolutely Elena would be the one to pick up on that whereas no one else would. Not one other person would have a clue just how much of an act Caroline was putting on. It was so perfect.

And the other thing I loved with Caroline and Elena was that final scene because of Caroline's raw honesty where she just lays it out. It reminded me in a way of one of my all-time favorite Caroline scenes which is actually from the Pilot. It's why Caroline was one of my favorite characters from day one. She was talking to Bonnie in her inebriated state at the Grill and she was telling Bonnie how Elena is always the one and Bonnie said it wasn't a competition and Caroline told her that it was. She was so not going to sit there and listen to platitude. She was looking at the hard fact of life and facing it head on, whether it was the good or the right or the "friend" thing to say. And she did that here again to Elena. When Elena told her that flipping her switch and erasing her memories of loving Damon were two of her biggest mistakes, Caroline shot back at her that while they may have been mistakes when she came back from them, the worst of her pain was gone and that is what Caroline wanted.

So raw, so honest and just laying it out there. That's my Caroline and I just love her for it, because it was absolutely true what she said to Elena. But Elena was right that the choices she made were the wrong ones, but Caroline was right in that Elena had no right in making the choice were Caroline.

Choice. On this show, don't we always come back to that, choice? Ugh, I love this show so damn much, it hurts sometimes.

You know what also hurt? My cheeks from how much I was smiling during the Damon and Bonnie scene! Seriously, I think I may have watched their reunion scene about fifty times at this point. I just, OMG, I am just utterly verklempt at how much I love their relationship. They are the perfect non-sibling siblings ever. (And, yes, I actually caught an interview with Caroline Dries where she all but confirmed that. She said that she knows that their fans want them to get together, but they are writing a platonic—that's right PLATONIC!—relationship, and that they are basically family. Hahah! Said so.) With that said, oh my garsh, loved it so much. She went to Damon's house, she made him pancakes! He held his arms out, he gave a genuine smile, she ran, leaping into his arms, his deep chuckle, the happiness, my happiness!

 
 

And then in their very next scene, they're already sniping at each other, LMAO! I love it so very hard. Oh my goodness, I love them so, so, so, so much and I simply cannot wait (March 12th, you are so, so, so far away… come to me NOW!) to see how the others react to the two of them together. ‘Twill be the awesome.

Also awesome? Zach Roerig! I loved his performance so much in this one. Honestly, I think he gave the best one tonight. I know that seems kinda crazy to say what with Candice Accola being awesomely awesome, but Roerig just basically grabbed my heart and tugged like crazy in every single moment he was onscreen, which admittedly wasn't much. But still, he kicked ass. And Matt was fabulous, so very Matty-Blue-Blue. It was like Liz's death reawakened the true hero's humanity in him that Rebekah loved that had recently been tamped down by Tripp's teachings and Enzo's actions. Seeing him confront Tyler with such stalwart grace on the church steps was a fantastic moment; I was so proud of him. And his reaction to every moment during the funeral actually gutted me the most; it felt very real. So when he told Tyler that he wanted to be a part of something like the officers honoring Liz, I believed him because Roerig had sold that earlier.

This is a direction I am really interested to see Matt and, surprisingly, Tyler go. I continue to be amazed by my turn-around in interest when it comes to my favorite human-cockroach hybrid, LOL! I really do still find myself interested in his storyline and I actually think that a deputy storyline is a really good fit for Tyler. He needs something to channel his energy, his focus and pent-up werewolf issues into and this could be it and something that he could be damn good at. Remember, this is a guy who organized the whole hybrid rebellion and was the leader of that group. And he would have successfully pulled it off had it not been for a traitor and mastermind pulling the strings behind his back. So, I'm interested.

Also, I'm interested (obviously, like, duh!) in the Mama Salvatore story. I do have reservations, well, *a* reservation and I will get that out of the way first. I am familiar with the actress playing Mama Salvatore from one role. She played a character on 24 for two seasons. I knew nothing of the actress before being introduced to her on this show. These are my thoughts on her character throughout that run. (I will not name her character because of spoilers—despite how old the show is in case someone decides to watch it.)
    - I do not like [this character]. I wanted to, but she kinda bugs. I was initially hoping she would die by hour four, but considering her placement in the credits, I think not.

    - Also, bad? [this character]. I want to like her, but she's so boring and bland. Yes, I get what they're doing with her and in relation to Jack, but ugh, the actress is so by the numbers.

    - Why can't he be the one rumored to return next year, instead of the freakishly-perpetually agonized looking [this character]—she who drives me up a flippin' wall. Ugh, do not want.

    - [this character] is FREAKING ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want to watch the [this character] hour!

    - So irked knowing that [this character] is coming soon and will no doubt be shoved down my throat all over again. I know that everyone else seems to love her, {Editor's note: I found out I was wrong. Many others did not like her either.} but I do not like her. She was one of the two main reasons I wound up not liking last season. Double sigh.

    - Is anyone else bored by 24 this season? Like really bored. Or is it just me because I can NOT stand [this character] and wish she would disappear forever? You know, I realized last week that if Katee Sackhoff had been cast in the role of [this character], I'd probably love her with the passion of a gazillion fiery suns (and totally root for her and Jack). But as played by Annie Wersching? Meh to HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.

    - YAY!!! WOOHOO!! HURRAH!!! And any other exclamation of joy. [this character] is dead! I could NOT stand the actress—as an actress, I'm sure she's a lovely person—and so she made me unable to stand [this character].
So, are you picking up on what my one reservation is with the Mama Salvatore storyline? Yeah. Out of every freaking single actress on the planet, they went with one of the very few that I can barely stand to watch onscreen as Damon and Stefan's mother. I get why. Ian Somerhalder has these big, beautiful ice-blue eyes. Annie Wersching has big, beautiful ice-blue eyes. So they thought, ooh! Cool! *sigh*

I am really, really hoping it was simply a case of the character and actor did not mesh and that I really, really just loathed her character with Jack on 24 because I actually didn't despise her when she interacted with this one other guy I liked, so maybe? And Ian Somerhalder/Damon tends to make almost everything better, right? I mean, other than Luka, just about everyone sparks onscreen with Damon, right? Even he can make Annie Wersching work, right? Please tell me this will happen because ya'll, I've been dreaming of a Mama Salvatore story since freaking season 01! I never believed that she was dead. Now, of course, I thought that she was a vampire hiding away in a Tibetan convent somewhere, not some Gemini coven-created prison world, but, I think my lack of imagination there can be excused. So, on one hand, I'm VERY excited about this storyline, like BEYOND, BEYOND words… but on the other hand… really?! I mean, REALLY!?!? Annie Freaking Wersching?!?! Really! Come on! really?

OK, moving on, now that the, ahem, reservation is out of the way, I am really excited about the story. So, Kai said that "crappy" people are put in the prison world, are they just any crappy people or are they members of the Gemini coven? Does that mean that Damon and Stefan are descendents of the coven and therefore related to the Parkers? Liv, Jo, Kai? (Sure would explain Kai and Damon's quip-like qualities.)

Or *is* Mama Salvatore a vampire and that's why Giuseppe made a deal with the Gemini Coven because he loved her too much to kill her and so he sent her away for that reason? And regardless, how does she have a daguerreotype of Stefan and Damon from the Civil War era (clearly when they were still human) if she was sent back in 1903? Was Papa Salvatore sending her updates via the coven on her boys? So does she know they're vampires? If the updates were from Giuseppe, one would assume that he just told her they died if he told her anything since that's all he would have time to do. So if Giuseppe was the one who arranged her imprisonment, she'd have no way of knowing about her sons. Obviously, the boys are going to want to bring their mama home now, so another trip back to another prison world, uh huh! (Please, please let me like Wersching this time around, pretty, pretty, pretty please!)

Also, pretty, pretty, pretty please, let me right about Alaric. I've *got* to be right about Alaric, right? I mean, sure, let's just skip out on Sheriff Forbes' funeral, no biggie! I mean, really?! Sure, because I haven't figured out that you will die yet, we'll just let Bonnie fade off into oblivion because I don't want to deal with these martyred fools. Really?! Sure, I picked out a ring and plan to propose to a woman I've known for about six months without even talking to my best friend or a young woman who's practically a daughter to me. Really?! People, something is going on with Alaric. I can't not believe that something is going on.

And I think he's going to die and become a vampire by season's end. And that's how Elena gets her memories back because that's how an Original vampire's compulsions get erased, that Original vampire dies. We learned that when Alaric staked Elijah. So, I'm thinking that eventually Damon and co. are going to realize that something is up with Ric, once again Damon is going to be in danger, Ric is going to save Damon and he is going to die in the process. But he'll have vampire in his system for some reason. When he dies, Elena gets her memories back and Ric has to choose this time to come back as a vampire and that is what breaks the hold (perhaps) that Esther had on him permanently. I don't know, but maybe? I dunno.

One thing I do know is that Damon finally proved that there is one area in which he does not know his brother very well. He's never seen the inner workings of his brother's love life so he just assumed that Stefan in love is like he is in love, and that how Katherine and Elena were about Stefan is how he was about them. Wrong, boy-o! That I found quite interesting. Damon was always the one fighting for Katherine's love, for Elena's love. And Katherine, and Elena were the ones always fighting to keep/get (in Katherine's case) and preserve (in Elena's case) their relationships with Stefan.

Stefan, himself, never actually fought for either one. Like ever. He always walked away. Every time. That's something Damon doesn't know. We know as viewers, Katherine obviously knows, Elena knows. But Damon doesn't, so his advice to him about Caroline was based on his personal experience of knowing 100%, of fighting for the girl and of knowing that Katherine and Elena and Caroline always fought for Stefan. Damon just assumed that Stefan fought for Katherine and Elena because he's seeing now (since he isn't fighting for Caroline himself) how Stefan's fighting to keep Caroline in his life. He doesn't realize that this is new. Stefan's never done this before; Stefan Salvatore has never worked this hard to keep a girl in his life, in his good graces, wanting him.

Ironically, it was Damon saying what Stefan damn well already knows about Caroline—that she's beautiful, strong, generous and a bright light in a sea of darkness—that opened Stefan's eyes to the realization that he has to continue fighting for Caroline. And he doesn't get it yet, but he's getting there. It's not that Caroline isn't true love, it's that Katherine and Elena weren't *real* love, they were an idealized version of love. Caroline, she is real love, and that is true love, because Damon doesn't know his brother truly in love he doesn't know that Stefan has never experienced true love before. (With Rebekah, he was the Ripper, he wasn't his full self, so he couldn't truly love her then.)

In a way, it shows you just how much Damon does respect what Elena had with Stefan that he never tries to make their love less than what it was (even though, really, it totally was). It was just this idealized fantasy, while what he and Elena have is real, even now when for Elena, Damon isn't even her soulmate right now, but more just the hot guy she's been dating for a month or so who's great in bed. The guy who she knows there's that something *more* behind that mental barrier, but she doesn't know exactly what it is. Yet, she still likes him just as he is even if he's only "nice-ish."

 

OK, then time for randoms—

- Damn, that first scene was painful, wasn't it? But it made perfect sense from both of their points of view. Caroline and Damon are the two people in that house who loved Liz the most and so they are the two are feeling the most pain right now. Caroline was hurting, but she didn't want to bond with Damon, even in her pain. Damon was hurting, but he did want to bond with Caroline in solidarity over their love for Liz. So in her pain, not seeking to specifically hurt him, but he was there, she doesn't like him, again, he's there, her mom's not, so she struck him with a painful truth. In turn, he was in pain, she hurt him so he hurt her back because Damon's not nice, so he told her a painful truth, it's only going to get worse. They were both hurting, and instead of helping to heal each other, they chose to hurt each other. Ouch! Bigger no-no to Damon, though. Way, way bigger no-no to Damon. It was her mom, dude. Not cool, put your man-pain box away for the moment.

- I realized that this new Damon and Elena haven't said "I love you" yet, Hmmm, will we get that or her memories first?

- I know that Ian Somerhalder is 37, but damn if he didn't look kinda late teens, early 20's in those flashbacks. So, yeah, I'm thinking that Damon is supposed to be seven years older than Stefan. So Damon was supposed to be, I'm guessing, 17 in the flashback, and considering most actors playing 17-year olds are generally in their early 20's and Ian looked in his early 20's, it worked for me. (Of course, I'm biased, LOL!)

- Oh, and wee Stefan was so cute, and a good actor too.

- Oh Kai, I've missed you! (Even if it was only one episode.) "Hey, I'm even a little nice now, in case you were wondering." Hah!

- OK, so, yeah, Alaric and Jo… The romantic stuff with them, the whole "92%" thing was cute, and the "pity proposal" reaction/"no, it's not," pulls out the ring, was adorable/romantic is actually written really well and sweet, but it's so rushed, and I just don't care about them, like AT ALL. And they have like no chemistry. I don't care about her, I don't care about him with her. I want to be happy for Ric, but I don't care about her and him and them together. I don't care, show. Why are you wasting so much great romantic stuff on this rushed, blah couple!? WHY?! Am I supposed to care? I feel like something is happening here that we aren't being told yet and it will all make sense later and we'll be ‘ooohhh! Ohhhh!' I hope so. Because right now? I don't get. And I don't care. I really, really don't.

- Hmm, how will Bonnie react to this new Kai? I can't wait to find out. Man, I really can't wait to see them see each other. I hope we get a sense if they are going anywhere with those two by their first couple of scenes.

- So, wow, Caroline turned off her humanity switch. I did not see that coming. I guess I should have, but I honestly never thought that would happen unless they were going there with Caroline and Klaus for real and since Klaus is off in Originals-land, well, I guess I just crossed it off of a mind for some reason, but it does make sense, and how it played out, it soooo made sense. I could write more about this turn of events, but I really want to see where they go with it first.

I don't expect a long run of this honestly. I'm thinking a couple of episodes tops, because Caroline is right, she's not like Elena, she is a better vampire and I don't think she'll lose it the same way. We'll see. It will be interesting. I look forward to it. And look forward to seeing how Stefan deals with a Caroline without her switch, uh huh.

- Hah! Stefan spent like two seconds checking on Elena lying all dead on the floor, and then was all "Caroline?! Caroline?!" as if Elena no longer existed. Yeah, uh huh, Caroline is totes second-place for him, uh huh! NOT!

So another excellent episode, woohoo! I may be thrilled that Caroline Dries has taken over executive producer duties, but I never mind with Julie Plec comes back and writes an episode (and based on this one, directs too). She's a wonderful writer and I thought this was absolutely stellar. Lovely. Love this show so very hard.
 
 
 
Florencia: TVD (All Is Well in Mystic Falls)florencia7 on February 22nd, 2015 02:34 am (UTC)
part I
Hey, it's 2am here, but it's also Saturday (um, Sunday), so who cares LOL

”The entire funeral, from the Last Call to Damon's eulogy to Caroline's song, it was all so very beautifully done.” - I thought so too. It was really, really beautifully done.

”Matt and Tyler possibly becoming deputies. Woohoo!” - Yeah, I think you totally called it! At least in regard to Matt :)

” Towards the end when Caroline said "I told you I'm fine, Elena," I absolutely expected it to be Stefan standing there.” - Me too! Heh.

”Her whole "I'm fine" routine was carbon-copy Elena from how we saw her in the Pilot. And so, of course, absolutely Elena would be the one to pick up on that whereas no one else would.” - I loved it too, but not so much because of the 1x01 parallel, but rather the 6x01 parallel. Of course Elena knows all about losing parents, but I loved how the show “made use” of both: Elena knowing what it feels like to lose parents and Elena's forgotten grief over losing Damon. Because even though Elena doesn't remember herself doing “fine” thanks to drugs in 6x01, she actually quoted Caroline's (!) line from 6x01 when Caroline realized that Elena feeling fine was a lie. The whole thing is especially great, because Elena doesn't remember her grief from 6x01, and yet she understands it so well, because deep down this memory is still in her.

”So raw, so honest and just laying it out there. That's my Caroline and I just love her for it, because it was absolutely true what she said to Elena.” - Yes, that scene was really wonderful. I loved it too.

”She went to Damon's house, she made him pancakes!” - It's a good thing she didn't went to Jeremy's to make him pancakes because the pancakes would get cold before he showed up! Lol Yes, I'm nitpicking ;) I DID love that scene too, but I think I'm going to love it more when after all the DE Reunions Gone Awry (5x12, 5x16, 6x06) we will actually get a proper DE reunion. Somehow I knew Julie wouldn't ruin Damon/Bonnie reunion while DE reunions get ruined every single time. OK. I'm quitting being grumpy now lol

”He needs something to channel his energy, his focus and pent-up werewolf issues into and this could be it and something that he could be damn good at.” - While this is true, someone made a good point elsewhere saying that Tyler couldn't pick a better job to make it almost impossible for himself not to trigger the werewolf gene at some point ;)

”Please tell me this will happen because ya'll” - This WILL happen, don't worry! I have a good feeling about this. About the storyline and the character. It will be OK, you will see! ♥ Try to forget about the actress & focus on the character :)

”Or *is* Mama Salvatore a vampire and that's why Giuseppe made a deal with the Gemini Coven because he loved her too much to kill her and so he sent her away for that reason?” - This sounds REALLY plausible! On the other hand, I kind of suspect Giuseppe's reasons might've been more sinister than that lol If he sent her away because she was a vampire (or a witch?), maybe he did it out of fear or anger rather than love.

”And regardless, how does she have a daguerreotype of Stefan and Damon from the Civil War era (clearly when they were still human) if she was sent back in 1903? Was Papa Salvatore sending her updates via the coven on her boys?” - I don't think they kept in touch. I'd say that she might have found out Damon and Stefan were dead or undead all by herself, and the reason why she got in trouble with the coven was because she was trying to come up with/steal a spell that could save them. Which brings me to... maybe there's a spell that can turn supernatural creatures back into humans! And that's how we'll have our favorite THE CURE! storyline back in our lives ;)
Arabian: Damon&Stefan02arabian on February 22nd, 2015 06:44 am (UTC)
Re: part I
”Matt and Tyler possibly becoming deputies. Woohoo!” - Yeah, I think you totally called it! At least in regard to Matt :)

Yeah, Tyler never crossed my mind, honestly, but I like.

I loved it too, but not so much because of the 1x01 parallel, but rather the 6x01 parallel.

I'm going to have to disagree with this because to me this was pretty much carbon copy parental grief. Elena didn't deal with that when she lost Damon. That was so different than it was with her parents. The line may have been the same, the "I'm fine" motif was there, but that's just because that's an Elena thing. She pulls out the "I'm fine" thing all the time when she's pretending to be fine and she's not. Julie Plec co-wrote the Pilot and it heavily focused on Elena showing how she dealt with not being over her parents' death so it was a direct correlation to what Caroline was going through here. I just didn't see a Damon/Elena parallel here. To me, it really was all about the girl's, their friendship and now their shared loss of losing both of their parents now. There was nothing about lost romantic love and that grief involved. That's just how I saw it. I think if there had been, we would have seen more of a connection drawn between Damon and Elena's loss there beyond Elena's mistakes. One wasn't shown to be bigger than the other, it was just about how Elena dealt with pain, moving along and back to the focus on Caroline losing her parent. I dunno, I just didn't see that at all, and even when I read your take on it, I didn't feel that was a connection we were supposed to make. But you made it, so if that worked for you, OK. And I could be completely wrong, that could have been Plec's intention. Lord knows I don't read her Twitter or interviews, LOL!

It's a good thing she didn't went to Jeremy's to make him pancakes because the pancakes would get cold before he showed up! Lol Yes, I'm nitpicking ;)

I'm gonna get a bit grumpy here. Why is this even a thing to nitpick? Of course she would go to the Salvatore boarding house. She would expect Damon, Elena and Jeremy to be there actually since as far as she would expect, they would have totally figured out how to undo the Traveler spell, so they'd all be living there again. Right?

As for the Damon/Bonnie reunion versus Damon/Elena reunions, Damon and Bonnie are not some huge love story that the show is marketed on where you have twists and turns and drama left and right. They have a simple brother/sister friendship. Why would they have a screwed-up reunion? The big, epic (damnit, I refuse to let the stupid Stefan/Elena misuse of the word take it away from Damon and Elena) love story that Damon and Elena have is going to have the miscues and misplayed reunions before they get it right because that's how TV-land works. If it had happened with Damon and Bonnie, I'd be worried that the show had decided to screw with the fabulous, PLATONIC friendship we've got going with Damon and Bonnie and go somewhere else. We don't want that.

someone made a good point elsewhere saying that Tyler couldn't pick a better job to make it almost impossible for himself not to trigger the werewolf gene at some point ;)

Except the only deputy killing that we've seen on the show beyond Logan way back in season 01 was Liz accidentally shooting Jeremy instead of Damon. This is a small town and other than the supernatural creatures killing each other all the time, the deputies don't pull their guns out much, like at all.

This WILL happen, don't worry! I have a good feeling about this. About the storyline and the character. It will be OK, you will see! ♥ Try to forget about the actress & focus on the character :)

Did you READ MY THOUGHTS on the actress during her run on 24!?!??!?!

I don't think they kept in touch. I'd say that she might have found out Damon and Stefan were dead or undead all by herself, and the reason why she got in trouble with the coven was because she was trying to come up with/steal a spell that could save them. Which brings me to... maybe there's a spell that can turn supernatural creatures back into humans! And that's how we'll have our favorite THE CURE! storyline back in our lives ;)

Hmmm, could be.
Re: part I - florencia7 on February 22nd, 2015 03:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: part I - arabian on February 23rd, 2015 05:12 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: part I - ulya35 on July 12th, 2015 05:26 am (UTC) (Expand)
Florencia: DE (Kiss) (6x12)florencia7 on February 22nd, 2015 02:37 am (UTC)
part II
”I've *got* to be right about Alaric, right?” - Um, er, yeah, sure *pats you on the shoulder*

”I mean, sure, let's just skip out on Sheriff Forbes' funeral, no biggie! I mean, really?!” - Oh, come on. Jo's indigestion is so much more important than some funeral! Really. Get your priorities straight, girl.

”People, something is going on with Alaric.” - I'd really, really, really love for you to be right, but... you should go read Julie's tweets about Jo/Alaric. She's this close to giving them their own spin-off. She seems to love them and their perfect, simple, human happiness SO much it's either a joke or she should get a therapist lol

”Stefan, himself, never actually fought for either one. Like ever. He always walked away. Every time. That's something Damon doesn't know. We know as viewers, Katherine obviously knows, Elena knows. But Damon doesn't, so his advice to him about Caroline was based on his personal experience of knowing 100%, of fighting for the girl and of knowing that Katherine and Elena and Caroline always fought for Stefan.” - OH This entire paragraph is so great! So insightful. I loved it. You're awesome. You made me re-consider Stefan's speech (that I didn't like) and now I just may start liking it. (Even though I'm still iffy about Stefan throwing into one bag Stefan/Katherine, Stefan/Elena, Damon/Katherine, Damon/Elena. It sounded like according to him ALL of these relationships were/are messed-up while only Stefan/Caroline have a chance not to be messed up. And I'm confused why he'd even call their love for Katherine “TRUE love”, especially in regard to himself, since he spent all the seasons repeating that he never loved her.)

”Damn, that first scene was painful, wasn't it? But it made perfect sense from both of their points of view.” - I have to tell you this. Julie fought to keep this scene in and she even sacrificed more Alaric/Jo screen time for it! Yes! We could've gotten more Alaric/Jo! We could've heard Alaric say that he LOVED Jo ever since their second meeting! No joke. That's how fast true love is.

”They were both hurting, and instead of helping to heal each other, they chose to hurt each other.” - OK. I really must protest! Lol How did Damon hurt Caroline in that scene??? He told her THE TRUTH. And there was no indication that he tried or wanted to hurt her by telling her THE TRUTH. He wanted to help her by giving her a fair warning, that's all. He might not have thought that advice through very well (or at all), but he wasn't trying to hurt her. And Caroline bringing that advice up later on, telling Elena about it and making it sound like it was somehow Damon's ~fault that she was going to turn her emotions off was just such a CLASSIC thing that this show does to Damon all the time and it made me really sad that they did it AGAIN.

”I realized that this new Damon and Elena haven't said "I love you" yet, Hmmm, will we get that or her memories first? ” Probably. Although Damon did say ILY in 6x07.

”Am I supposed to care?” - Are you kidding me? THEY SHOULD MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN LOVE!!! (Julie's words, not mine lol)

I wasn't too crazy about this episode, but as always you made me feel better about everything, so thank you! ♥
Arabian: Alaric02arabian on February 22nd, 2015 07:25 am (UTC)
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I've *got* to be right about Alaric, right?” - Um, er, yeah, sure *pats you on the shoulder*

- He compelled Elena's memories away without fighting hard enough for Damon's memory
- Got up in Tyler's face (all rough with him)
- Was a bit of an ass to Stefan, showing about zero compassion over losing his brother
- Stood by while his new girlfriend regaled Damon with tales of how awesome Elena's new guy was with a smirk on his face
- Was willing to keep Bonnie all alone in a prison world with a psychotic family murderer for his new girlfriend without any hesitation
- Accused his best friend of not caring about Bonnie at all, but only caring about himself
- Instead of getting rid of afore-mentioned psychotic murderer, he listened to new girlfriend and let him walk free
- Lied to someone like a daughter to him and sent her brother off on practically a suicide mission
- Willing to miss the funeral of someone who is nearest and dearest to everyone in his life because new girlfriend has indigestion
- Willing to let Bonnie fade to oblivion because, hey, he's sick of being like those martyrs
- Planned to propose to someone he's known for a short time without talking to Elena, Jeremy or Damon
- Has basically cut himself off from everyone he was close to before he died bit by bit since he's returned and has attached himself like glue to Jo, and only Jo

Yeah, it's all in my head that Ric is not acting quite like Ric. I'm the one who's just imagining things. Really? When you put that all together, it doesn't even remotely strike you that maybe, just MAYBE (in the year of the redo) when Ric came back from being ON THE OTHER SIDE for over a year, that something might have happened to him perchance? Just maybe.

you should go read Julie's tweets about Jo/Alaric.

Because Julie Plec is SOOOO reliable. Julie Plec, who after the first couple of episodes of season 04 on TWITTER, said that Stefan and Elena's issues were ONLY about DAMON and they were TOTALLY fine with each other, that they were just peachy-keen! The one who said that Stefan was Elena's true love once upon a time? The one who goes on and on about whatever is currently happening on the show in ridiculous, gushy degree? (Or did when she was heavily involved in TVD.) That Julie Plec? The one who also lies like a rug? The one who I refer to as as Miss Lying McLyerson because she can't be trusted to be believed at all because she lies so hard in her promotion! The one who teased about "Dangerous Liaisons" that viewers might remember that dance that Damon and Elena shared at the Miss Mystic Falls pageant? You're going by her tweets? Seriously?

She's this close to giving them their own spin-off. She seems to love them and their perfect, simple, human happiness SO much

Julie Plec who went on and on and on about how beautiful and romantic and wonderful and fabulous that Matt and Caroline were? That Julie Plec? The very same? Her?

OH This entire paragraph is so great! So insightful. I loved it. You're awesome. You made me re-consider Stefan's speech (that I didn't like) and now I just may start liking it.

I was bummed by Damon's "advice" to Stefan at first, but nothing that Stefan said because, well, I understand my boo and his denial ways and rewriting/whitewashing of history. (Oh, Stefan.) So I totally got what he was saying. But once I understood where Damon was coming from, it all made sense to me.

(Even though I'm still iffy about Stefan throwing into one bag Stefan/Katherine, Stefan/Elena, Damon/Katherine, Damon/Elena. It sounded like according to him ALL of these relationships were/are messed-up while only Stefan/Caroline have a chance not to be messed up. And I'm confused why he'd even call their love for Katherine “TRUE love”, especially in regard to himself, since he spent all the seasons repeating that he never loved her.)

See, Stefan's rewriting/whitewashing history. This is how Stefan operates. His brain is wired oddly, LOL!

TBC

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Mattghidorah15 on February 22nd, 2015 05:21 am (UTC)
Julie Plec really did do an excellent job with her directorial debut. I wonder how Ian Somerhalder will do with his? If both of them prove better at it than Paul Wesley, I might not be able to repress a knowing chuckle. Just a fair warning.

I wish we could hear Candice Accola sing more often - 'tis a lovely voice she possesses. The moment of pure silence that followed it before the commercial break was also a wise choice - funeral, after all. Actually, she really impressed in this episode on all counts, and I'm eager to see how she plays No-Humanity Caroline. We already saw what Elena was like with the switch off - how will they be similar or different, I wonder?

The Damon/Elena scene (and their leaning on each other during the funeral) was, of course, beautiful. I really look forward to when Elena's true memories return - she already knows and admits that she made a huge mistake in having them compelled away, so she's in a pretty good frame of mind to have them back. DO IT, WRITERS.

Meanwhile, Stefan and Caroline are facing their first true obstacle to becoming a couple. I very much appreciated how you said that he never had real love with either Katherine or Elena, just an idealized fantasy - this is the real deal, and he's realizing that it's worth fighting for. Anyone who thinks he and Elena will ever wind up together again is smoking some hardcore drugs, I tell ya.

I didn't think as much about my name twin, but I think you're right - he's waking up, returning to being the hero that Rebekah so adored, and he's bringing Tyler along with him on this new path. I really hope it works out for both of them. And I wonder if Liv will ever make things right with Tyler? We haven't seen her since that breakup.

As for Alaric...well, if we didn't know his character so well, this might seem like a pretty uncomplicated storyline with Jo, of a surprise baby giving him the nudge he needs to propose. But we do know him better than that, so...yes, something is rotten in the state of Virginia. I like your new theory about how Elena may get her memories back, if she doesn't fight off the compulsion herself. Time will reveal the truth, I'm sure.

And YAY, Bonnie's home! I loved her reunion with Damon - they really are like brother and sister. :D And Lily Salvatore...call it a crazy gut feeling, but I don't think we'll have to worry about her actress delivering a character less than compelling. I do wonder how Stefan will react when Damon breaks the news to him. Oh, and that other prison world that collided with Bonnie's and brought her into contact with Lily? That is how a prison world should look - dark, cold, creepy, and not quite of this Earth. I don't know why more shows don't realize this.

On a final note, I also appreciated the little moments of genuine surprise, such as Caroline calling Elena's name and it not turning out to be Stefan. Oh, and Damon as a teenager? I actually bought it. Ian, you make me envious with your good looks.
Arabian: Matt01arabian on February 22nd, 2015 07:57 am (UTC)
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Julie Plec really did do an excellent job with her directorial debut. I wonder how Ian Somerhalder will do with his? If both of them prove better at it than Paul Wesley, I might not be able to repress a knowing chuckle. Just a fair warning.

I'm not even going there because I don't want to jinx Ian. But, yeah, Julie did a really lovely job, I agree.

I wish we could hear Candice Accola sing more often - 'tis a lovely voice she possesses.

Yeah, I have a few of her songs from her CD, I wish I liked the other songs themselves more, but I'm gonna try and get through them and just get used to 'em because I do like her voice.

The moment of pure silence that followed it before the commercial break was also a wise choice - funeral, after all.

Absolutely agreed.

Actually, she really impressed in this episode on all counts, and I'm eager to see how she plays No-Humanity Caroline. We already saw what Elena was like with the switch off - how will they be similar or different, I wonder?

Me too. I think I said in my write-up, I expect that Caroline was right and that she will handle it better than Elena did, be a rather perky, little emotionless vampire. We'll see.

The Damon/Elena scene (and their leaning on each other during the funeral) was, of course, beautiful. I really look forward to when Elena's true memories return - she already knows and admits that she made a huge mistake in having them compelled away, so she's in a pretty good frame of mind to have them back. DO IT, WRITERS.

I CAN'T WAIT!

Meanwhile, Stefan and Caroline are facing their first true obstacle to becoming a couple. I very much appreciated how you said that he never had real love with either Katherine or Elena, just an idealized fantasy - this is the real deal, and he's realizing that it's worth fighting for.

Absolutely, and I continue to ADORE how Stefan and Caroline are being written because (just like with Damon and Elena and the detailed nuances of the journey) we are seeing the ins and outs all being played out. Stefan is realizing this, he is getting it. We are seeing the difference in his relationship with Caroline from all of the other women he loved, just as Elena saw the difference with Damon than she did with Matt and Stefan. It's just being handled so beautiful.

Anyone who thinks he and Elena will ever wind up together again is smoking some hardcore drugs, I tell ya.

So for sure.

I didn't think as much about my name twin

Aww, and until I friended you, I didn't realize your name was Matt. :)

but I think you're right - he's waking up, returning to being the hero that Rebekah so adored, and he's bringing Tyler along with him on this new path.

Yup, yup, yup. I really believe that Zach Roerig just did such a lovely job in this episode, so understated and just fabulous. His reaction shots at the funeral were so, so good.

I really hope it works out for both of them. And I wonder if Liv will ever make things right with Tyler? We haven't seen her since that breakup.

Me too, and, no, we have not.

TBC
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jairem08jairem08 on February 22nd, 2015 08:22 am (UTC)
I'm certainly happy to see your post. You made my day. And I enjoy the interactions here with those who comment. I feel so not capable of doing it so well as them. But love reading those and thinking and analysing more.

I have to say that I'm happy you posted this fast as I needed to read it. I felt a bit off initially about this episode. Something was gnawing at me for some reason. But feeling better about it now. Told you your place is my TVD safe haven - place.

I liked your analogy of Damon/Stefan interaction of them viewing real love and then Damon not realizing what Stefan's real love idea is and considering that what he (Stefan) had with Elena true and real. You put that whole interaction nice and clear. It totally makes sense.

I think however that what he told to Caroline in the kitchen was not meant to hurt her. I don't think he was lashing. I think he wanted to warn and help her in the way? He cared about her the whole episode. Be it in the eulogy or when he spoke to Stefan about her. It just didn't seem to me that he was deliberate in hurting her and thus pushing her tad closer to her decision about switching it off.

Loved the little of DE interactions we had. The kitchen one where Elena helped Damon to write the speech pointing out that it is not about him. Also the tiny knee/arm holding in the church. And Damon looking at her when she cried while Caroline sang. Can't miss anything of my dream couple. Every single shot and interaction with them I appreciate.

Loved Stefan's light bulb moment and realization in the church about how he really feels about Caroline. That was really well done. And Caroline singing to her mom made me teary. Really beautiful.

Had Caroline switched off her emotions yet? Didn't she plan to do it the following day? Maybe there is still time to speak with her? Perhaps Stefan or even Bonnie since she is back? I'm not sure that the writers would go the route of switched off emotions again? I'm probably wrong but just wonder.

Mamma Salvatore- Re the pictures - She was sent to 1903 and by that time the house would probably have pictures from 1864 or any time after her "death" an after 1864 so she could just find it there. Curious what she is and why she is there. Will she make it out? That is the question. Whole lot to be explored here. I luckily have never seen the actress in action and never heard of her so for me it is clean slate.

Alaric/Jo - really? really? I just - really? That was so unromantic to me. He has known her for like few days and this is happening? I really want to believe and hope that you are right that there is something totally off. I just couldn't care less for their happiness and love. Nope. Not one bit.

Kai looked really terrible when he pitched up. And he is little nice sometimes - so funny.
You think that the show might explore Bonnie/Kai relationship? I wonder how Bonnie will react to Jeremy being gone and not most likely coming back. Even for her.

I'm sure Bonnie/Damon reunion will give some material for DE haters and Bonnie/Damon shippers to go crazy. Though I totally agree with you on that one. So friend/Family reunion of two people who literally went through hell and who knew how it felt and who bonded and cared about each other. And that also mostly because they bonded over one girl they both loved.

Yes the girls' hair looked lovely. Different and cute look on Elena. Really liked it. No Enzo and his scheming.

Are we again on a hiatus? That ... sucks. Next one Ian's directorial debut? I cannot wait and hope he does well.

Thanks for the fast update!
Arabian: Caroline04arabian on February 22nd, 2015 09:34 am (UTC)
Told you your place is my TVD safe haven - place.

Glad I could help.

I liked your analogy of Damon/Stefan interaction of them viewing real love and then Damon not realizing what Stefan's real love idea is and considering that what he (Stefan) had with Elena true and real.

This was a definitely one where it took watching all of their scenes. Damon's first bit of advice bugged a bit, but taking in all of their scenes really tied it all together.

Well, I don't think that Damon intentionally intended to hurt Caroline, but he did lash out at her. I'm just going to copy/paste what I said to florencia7 because she saw it as you did actually, but I still mostly agree with how I originally saw it. I lost my mother in 2011. Had someone I don't like told me that the way Damon did right after I'd told them something hurtful, it would have been FREAKING PAINFUL. Damon was trying to hurt her. There was NO NEED TO SAY THAT TRUTH. None. She didn't need to be told that. I said it was the truth, I KNOW it's the truth. But why did she have to be TOLD that truth? She didn't. He told her because he wanted the last word. He wanted to bond over their mutual love of Liz, she didn't. It hurt him, so he hurt her back unintentionally, I believe, yes, but he still did it. They are both raw and in pain. They both hurt each other by telling truths, but they both said truths that did not need to be said.

He may have been trying to help, but he did in a way that was going to hurt her. That was something she would have found out on her own, and got through it then, as we all do. One day at a time, but knowing in advance... ON THE FREAKING DAY OF YOUR MOTHER'S FUNERAL that it is GOING to get worse? That is a sucker punch to the gut! That is what pushed her over the edge. No, he couldn't have known that it would lead her to flipping the switch at the end of the day, but it was a careless act.* She stung him, so he stung her back. She lashed out at him with her "I don't want to bond with you," so he lashed back with his "it gets worse." They did it softly, but it was painful. Unintentional or not, she had hurt him (you could see it in his expression when she cut him off earlier in the scene).

* Like when he pushed Katherine and it led her to calling Jenna and her stabbing herself. As he told Elena, "I didn't think." Then, it was because he was being viciously cruel and wanted to hurt Katherine for hurting him. Now, he was in quiet pain and he wanted to hurt Caroline for hurting him.

He cared about her the whole episode. Be it in the eulogy or when he spoke to Stefan about her.

He was over it by the time he wrote the eulogy because Elena and him remembering Stefan's reaction to Damon not being there at their mother's funeral made him realize it was about Caroline's loss now.

Loved the little of DE interactions we had. [...] Every single shot and interaction with them I appreciate.

Very true.

Had Caroline switched off her emotions yet?

I think we saw it happen in that final shot of her after she snapped Elena's neck.

You think that the show might explore Bonnie/Kai relationship?

I thought they had chemistry and now that he's not totally evil, well, yeah, I kinda want to see.

I wonder how Bonnie will react to Jeremy being gone and not most likely coming back. Even for her.

Well, she did tell him to move on and it's been nearly 8 months now, I think?

I'm sure Bonnie/Damon reunion will give some material for DE haters and Bonnie/Damon shippers to go crazy.

Then they are stupid who are just seeing something that isn't there, pfft!

Though I totally agree with you on that one. So friend/Family reunion of two people who literally went through hell and who knew how it felt and who bonded and cared about each other.

Exactly.

Yes the girls' hair looked lovely. Different and cute look on Elena. Really liked it.

So nice.

No Enzo and his scheming.

I missed this story actually. I want to see if Enzo and Sarah have chemistry!

Are we again on a hiatus? That ... sucks. Next one Ian's directorial debut? I cannot wait and hope he does well.

Yup, I think he needed more time for editing actually.

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Bogwitchbogwitch on February 22nd, 2015 12:32 pm (UTC)
Goodbye Liz.


I don't have a lot to say about this one, except that it was beautiful and poignant and heartbreaking (even for me!). (I know I still need to comment on last week).

I wonder is Mrs. Salvatore's maiden name was Parker? There are just too many open questions with her at the moment to even speculate where they are going. She's survived until 1903 without aging, but then she's been missing for decades...? I don't know the actress, but she looked a right sourpuss - I don't know if that's the actress or the character, I’m not sure which of options is the better. I loved the aurora in her prison world though (even if I question if they could be that strong that far South... 1903 was too late for the Carrington Event in 1859... but Wikipedia says there *was* a Geomagnetic storm in November 1903, so further research leads me to this page: http://www.solarstorms.org/SRefStorms.html which proves that the writers actually do know how to use Google (rather than Bing) and that the storm at least was real!).

I know many did, but I didn't have a problem with Ian as young Damon either. While I don't quite agree that he looked *that* young, but he certainly looked younger than present Damon. This was a bit of a no-win situation, Ian's too old or another actor wouldn't look right; I think they did okay with what they had. Little Stefan though was perfect. Even down to the crying.

Alaric couldn't go to the funeral because he'd be recognised in Mystic Falls. I still don't care about him and Jo either. She can't be killed off quick enough, imo.

I have say I am going to join the consensus with the others about Damon lashing out at Caroline, I didn’t read it that way at all. Agreed, it was a awful, tactless thing to say, it hurt Caroline deeply and the end result was the same, but I don't believe he said it to intentionally hurt her either, it was just a thoughtless heads up he should have known better than to bring up.
Arabian: Caroline02arabian on February 23rd, 2015 06:16 am (UTC)
Goodbye Liz.

:sniff: :sniff:

I don't have a lot to say about this one, except that it was beautiful and poignant and heartbreaking (even for me!).

Julie really did a beautiful job. The last two episodes, man....

(I know I still need to comment on last week).

You do!

I wonder is Mrs. Salvatore's maiden name was Parker?

Me too!

There are just too many open questions with her at the moment to even speculate where they are going. She's survived until 1903 without aging, but then she's been missing for decades...?

Yup, me too, that's why my mind's all awhir on where they are going with this.

I don't know the actress, but she looked a right sourpuss - I don't know if that's the actress or the character, I’m not sure which of options is the better.

*sigh* It's the actress. See this comment from my 24 write-ups: the freakishly-perpetually agonized looking [this character]. Yup, so the actress. *double sigh* So, so not happy about her casting. Keeps repeating: "Ian Somerhalder/Damon makes everything better. Ian Somerhalder/Damon makes everything better."

I loved the aurora in her prison world though

It was cool. And can I just say I love that you do the research too!?

which proves that the writers actually do know how to use Google (rather than Bing)

Crazy thing... Bing insisted (in some thing I read) that they actually get better and more accurate results than Google which I pooh-poohed, but recently I've accidentally had to search with Bing (because my work computer had Bing as default) and damn, if they don't have better results than Google most of the time. I've been comparing the two lately, and it's kinda true.

I know many did, but I didn't have a problem with Ian as young Damon either.

Of course they did. Pfft!

While I don't quite agree that he looked *that* young, but he certainly looked younger than present Damon.

Honestly, I think we didn't think he looked *that* young because we know how old he is. Your brain just can't reconcile his actual age. I mean, no, he didn't look 17, but I really think he looked like he was in his early 20s. I mean, I'm thinking of actors in that age group, and he could easily have passed.

Little Stefan though was perfect. Even down to the crying.

So perfect.

Alaric couldn't go to the funeral because he'd be recognised in Mystic Falls.

I think he meant to sit in the back with a hat or something because Ric specifically mentioned to Jo that they could skip the funeral because she was sick, so he intended to go to the funeral. It was her being sick that made them skip it.

I still don't care about him and Jo either. She can't be killed off quick enough, imo.

So with you.

I have say I am going to join the consensus with the others about Damon lashing out at Caroline, I didn’t read it that way at all. Agreed, it was a awful, tactless thing to say, it hurt Caroline deeply and the end result was the same, but I don't believe he said it to intentionally hurt her either, it was just a thoughtless heads up he should have known better than to bring up.

I'm changing my mind that it was intentional 'I'm going to hurt her so there,' but I think it was a subconscious intention to hurt her. And I say this because he was hurt when she cut him off. And I just think my interpretation fits all of the later scenes with Damon (with Elena, and the eulogy and Caroline's reaction to it) and Caroline's final scene with Elena. It also explains why Julie fought so hard for that scene with them, because my interpretation explains why you needed the two of them, especially Damon being "not nice/nice-ish" with Caroline to tie into those later scenes. That's just how I saw it, though. I could be wrong. I totally admit that. Also, I'm overly sensitive about anything having to do with a mother's death, I admit that too.
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Arabian: Matt01arabian on February 23rd, 2015 06:33 am (UTC)
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So I kinda spoiled myself, because I didn't watch lastweek's episode of tvd.

Gosh, I'm SO SORRY! You should have just dropped a line and said you didn't watch the last episode yet and you'd respond when you did! I feel so bad now. Noooo! :( Last week is awesome! (Sad, but awesome!)

And boom Liz is dead, Jeremy is gone and umm... Caroline kissed Stefan!!! I mean, wow. So I'll have to go watch that episode

Yeah, it's a great episode and, yeah, all that happened.

but first lemme get this off my chest I CANNOT BELIEVE MAMA SALVATORE IS "ALIVE" phew! You were right

I've only been dreaming of that since season 01!! I can't believe I'm finally getting my Mama Salvatore story (grumble, grumble-with an actess I can't stand-grumble, grumble).

From what I gather she's either a witch or a vamp. I'm more inclined to think she's a vampire because Papa Salvatore hated them so much, and until told otherwise, I'm going to assume it's because of what happened to his wife.

Me too, that's what I'm thinking... but so many questions!! I'm so excited.....

The send off for Liz was so beautifully well done, I cried.

Me too. Oh, it was so beautiful. Gawd, that last call part and Matt's reaction shots. I know, I know, it should be Caroline's, but Matt just got me. Zach Roerig did SUCH an amazing job.

And I struggled to accept her death, why her? Story wise I got it, but she was the last parental figure (Matt's mom is around somewhere but no). But then I remembered on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Buffy's mom died a non supernatural death as well. I guess it shows that death can be "normal" and at times it is infinitely more painful because there is no one to blame, no revenge to take. It just happened and it's just as tragic.

Exactly. Man, when you watch last week's episode, you are going to be kicked in the gut so hard. I will just say that.

I'm really pleased that Matt and Tyler were there for Caroline and I'm hoping this will pave the way of balancing out anti-vampire Matt.

I think it will, and Bonnie being back will help even more. I loved seeing MY Matty back.

Hopefully he'll tell someone *cough* Damon *cough* about Enzo's crazy scheme and really get things going with that sub-plot.

Me too. And I'm really hoping that we do see some sort of Enzo/Sarah/Matt triangle going. I can't believe I actually wrote that, but I do think it could be really interesting.

And deputy Matt and Tyler! Yes please, as you say it will be great to see that.

Right?!?!?

TBC
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Creature Of Hobbit: stefan salvatoretellshannon815 on February 22nd, 2015 07:31 pm (UTC)
I'm curious about the timeline of the whole thing since Mama Salvatore's in 1903 and she was clearly presumed dead long before that - looking forward to the backstory on that.

The Alaric/Jo thing didn't really interest me but that was because I was too busy being pissed off that it looked like Luke had died for nothing since it was so easy for Jo and Kai to solve everything by Jo just giving Kai her magic.
Arabian: Stefan03arabian on February 23rd, 2015 06:44 am (UTC)
I'm curious about the timeline of the whole thing since Mama Salvatore's in 1903 and she was clearly presumed dead long before that - looking forward to the backstory on that.</i>

Hey! Long time no hear! :D Yeah, I'm curious too. So many questions about her. Is she a witch? If so, is she a member of the Gemini Coven, a Parker, making Damon and Stefan members of that family too and related to Jo, Liv and Kai? Or did she become a vampire and then did Giuseppe call upon the coven to send her away? Why 1903? So many questions!

The Alaric/Jo thing didn't really interest me but that was because I was too busy being pissed off that it looked like Luke had died for nothing since it was so easy for Jo and Kai to solve everything by Jo just giving Kai her magic.

Well, I didn't see it that way. Jo was only able to give him her magic now because the merging ritual had already been done. Had it not been done, Kai would have had to merge with Jo the normal way. It was just an added type of thing, it seemed to me.
tj2013tj2013 on February 22nd, 2015 08:47 pm (UTC)
Great to see your post and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Always a great pleasure to read.

I loved the very first shot when we saw all the crew had spent the night together in the living room/parlor/Sotheby's auction. They didn't want to leave Caroline alone, it was like a sleepover with way more people than usual. Nice touch.

Jo/Ric: Don't care, don't see any epic romance. I think I like Ric when he has someone to banter with, like Damon. Jo... not so much.

I liked your analysis of the Damon/Caroline dynamics. I was kind of bummed by their first scene, my first reaction was: "WTF? I know they haven't really been friends, but this... was not necessary, really..."

And I liked your thoughts on Stefan and his love life (and Damon's perspective).

Mama Salvatore: I don't know the actress, so I am very curious how she will be. And yes, Ian makes everything better.

No humanity!Caroline: I don't expect it to last more than one or two eps, either. They did it with Elena, and I think they will solve it differently, also based on the fact that Care has more control over her vampire life. (Somehow like the sirebond - they showed it first with Klaus-Tyler and did it differently with Damon-Elena).

Bonnie/Damon: best friends ever. No romance, no no no ... Siblings, friends, family, you name it. Their scene was adorable. Simply wonderful.

They changed Kai's hairstyle or something? In any case he looked more like Luke, didn't he?

Hm, your idea about how Elena could get her memories back sounds reasonable.... we'll see.
Arabian: Caroline03arabian on February 23rd, 2015 06:39 am (UTC)
I loved the very first shot when we saw all the crew had spent the night together in the living room/parlor/Sotheby's auction. They didn't want to leave Caroline alone, it was like a sleepover with way more people than usual. Nice touch.

I liked that too.

Jo/Ric: Don't care, don't see any epic romance. I think I like Ric when he has someone to banter with, like Damon. Jo... not so much.

Yup.

I liked your analysis of the Damon/Caroline dynamics. I was kind of bummed by their first scene, my first reaction was: "WTF? I know they haven't really been friends, but this... was not necessary, really..."

Thank you! I'm so glad that I was not the only one who saw that. As I said to everyone else who disagreed with me (because a lot of people did--Damon was just trying to help her!), I think it was a subconscious intention to hurt her. And I say this because he was hurt when she cut him off. And I just think my interpretation fits all of the later scenes with Damon (with Elena, and the eulogy and Caroline's reaction to it) and Caroline's final scene with Elena. It also explains why Julie fought so hard for that scene with them, because my interpretation explains why you needed the two of them, especially Damon being "not nice/nice-ish" with Caroline to tie into those later scenes. That's just how I saw it, though. I could be wrong. I totally admit that, but it just seems to make more sense when taking all of their scenes as a whole.

And I liked your thoughts on Stefan and his love life (and Damon's perspective).

Me too, I thought I pulled that together nicely. :D

Mama Salvatore: I don't know the actress, so I am very curious how she will be. And yes, Ian makes everything better.

You're lucky. Yes, I just keep repeating that. Ian Somerhalder/Damon makes everything better. Ian Somerhalder/Damon makes everything better.

No humanity!Caroline: I don't expect it to last more than one or two eps, either. They did it with Elena, and I think they will solve it differently, also based on the fact that Care has more control over her vampire life. (Somehow like the sirebond - they showed it first with Klaus-Tyler and did it differently with Damon-Elena).

Exactly, that's how I see it. I expect a different take on this, and I really can't see anyone with half a brain cell thinking it will be the same, LOL! If they do, they haven't been paying attention to this show.

Bonnie/Damon: best friends ever. No romance, no no no ... Siblings, friends, family, you name it. Their scene was adorable. Simply wonderful.

Yup, yup, yup! I've watched it so much, and I grin like crazy every time.

They changed Kai's hairstyle or something? In any case he looked more like Luke, didn't he?

I think it was just lying flat down and messed up because he was sick so he hadn't styled it, LOL!

Hm, your idea about how Elena could get her memories back sounds reasonable.... we'll see.

Plus, if I'm right about Esther's anti-vampire venom still having a hold on him, him dying and coming back and having to choose to transition may be the thing that finally breaks that spell completely.
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Cassandra Elise: audrey bluecassandra_elise on February 23rd, 2015 02:41 am (UTC)
I haven't commented in ages, and I apologize for that. I thought I would crawl out of my hole to let you know that your lovely, insightful posts are the only reason I still have a livejournal account. You always put things in perspective and give me a lot to think about concerning the show. Plus, I agree with your analyses 99% of the time.

This post was no exception. I loved your thoughts on Alaric. Something is so off with him, and I couldn't care less about him and Jo. I've rarely been disappointed in this show before, so I hope we get some resolution with Ric's story that makes actual sense.
Arabian: Damon&Alaric02arabian on February 23rd, 2015 06:21 am (UTC)
Aww, you're another one who I had thought stopped watching the show or stopped reading my posts, so THANK YOU for coming out of lurkerdom to say something. I hope that you continue to comment and do share your thoughts, even if it's just to comment on my thoughts, but I'd love to hear what you think too. :)

I loved your thoughts on Alaric. Something is so off with him, and I couldn't care less about him and Jo. I've rarely been disappointed in this show before, so I hope we get some resolution with Ric's story that makes actual sense.

I said above to florencia7 who just doesn't think there's an explanation other than that Ric is a jerk now and the writers love Ric and Jo, that I don't buy it considering the fact that Ric was never an asshole except for the one season when he was controlled by a witch who made him a vampire-hating asshole (when he planned on making Jeremy a vampire-hunter behind Elena's back) and this season he's being an asshole and he made Jeremy a vampire-hunter behind Elena's back. And, this also happens to be the season of the re-do (Damon/Elena's love story, Tyler's werewolf story).

If I'm wrong about Ric then honestly I'm going to be pissed because they basically brought Ric back to ruin his character, and ruin his friendship with Damon for no reason because that's ALL this season has accomplished. Ric came back from the dead to be a jerk, to mess with Damon and Elena's relationship, be an asshole to Damon, withdraw from everyone in their inner circle including Elena (who is practically like a daughter to him), basically betraying her, and become a character that very few viewers can enjoy any longer because he's suddenly an asshole who cares only about a newly-introduced character. And that makes zero sense and I expect and almost *always* get better, much better, from The Vampire Diaries.

There is a reason that Alaric Saltzman is a popular character, that Damon/Alaric are an extremely popular bromance, and that people were devastated and continued to clamor for Ric to come back from the dead. Very little this season has shown WHY any of those things are so. With this show there has got to be a reason or they will have severely disappointed me, like majorly, majorly in a way they never have before, not even with the inconsistencies of the sire bond.
ab4157ab4157 on February 23rd, 2015 08:42 am (UTC)
Part 1
Hi there!

I really loved what you said about the different experiences the brothers have had in the love department. That was really insightful. And, it got me to thinking more about the nature side to this. Damon and Stefan have pretty different temperaments. I think that plays a part in their misunderstanding. I love that the dynamics between these two ships are so different. Because I think they point out the differences in what these four characters want and need from a romantic partner. Over the hiatus, I want to rewatch some episodes with that in mind.

I actually didn't like the execution of the BD hug. I liked that they hugged. I found it to be an interesting callback to 4x15 to show just how far they've come. Because, in 4x15, they're the only two on that island in Nova Scotia and since they're both upset about Jeremy and have no one else to hug, they do so. Then, exactly two seasons later, BD have made their way back from a land where they were stuck on their own, and, even though Bonnie has all of her friends to choose from, she picks Damon to hug and seeks out Damon's company. Cute. Also, there was a callback with her leaving Nova Scotia to make her way back. Yay for that. But I found the idea that Bonnie was just chilling, waiting for who knows how long, just cooking pancakes, a bit odd. She hadn't been near human civilization for months and, in the last episode we saw her, she tried to kill herself because of this. Over the past few days, I thought up a way that I would have preferred to see the reunion scene: Damon enters the boarding house. His phone's ringing. As he gets it out of his pocket, he hears Bonnie's voice in person. He looks up and sees her, cell phone in hand. It turns out, she was just calling him. She just got back and was wondering where everyone was. Then they do a super cute hug. Then, we can see them eat pancakes later on. Idk the waiting around alone business just felt inorganic to me.

I also LOVED LOVED LOVED the parallels to the pilot. There's another aspect to this, I think. You wrote about that scene where Caroline says she's never the chosen one. Well, she is in front of the girl who was Stefan's first choice, and Caroline is talking about how Stefan still hasn't chosen her. That maybe it would have made a difference. And, well, I wonder if there are more layers to that neck snap than just feeling annoyed at Elena for getting in the way of her attempts at shutting it off...their friendship is pretty complex. Not that she's worried about Stefan having feelings for Elena any more, just that Stefan's never chosen Caroline...
Arabian: Caroline01arabian on February 23rd, 2015 10:46 am (UTC)
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I really loved what you said about the different experiences the brothers have had in the love department.

Not to pat my own back, but I really think I did nail that one, LOL!

Damon and Stefan have pretty different temperaments. I think that plays a part in their misunderstanding. I love that the dynamics between these two ships are so different. Because I think they point out the differences in what these four characters want and need from a romantic partner.

It goes back a lot to what I've been saying in terms of why Damon and Elena are so perfect for each other and why Stefan and Caroline are so perfect for each other but why Stefan and Elena are so wrong for each other and why Elena was able to reach out and draw Damon's humanity out, but Caroline who Damon was dating represented everything that was pathetic about humanity to him. Damon and Caroline as romantic partners brought out the worst qualities in each other, just as Stefan and Elena did. And it's the opposite with each other, they bring out each other's best and it's because of who they are as individuals and they're temperaments, exactly.

I actually didn't like the execution of the BD hug. [...] But I found the idea that Bonnie was just chilling, waiting for who knows how long, just cooking pancakes, a bit odd. [...] Idk the waiting around alone business just felt inorganic to me.

I have to disagree with this. I think it made perfect sense. Because Bonnie has been alone for so long, it's been about a few months now, it would make sense. She'd feel raw and rusty. She wouldn't want to see anyone else because she'd feel almost out of use, what does she say, what does she do? She can't just walk back into these people's lives anymore because how will they react, how will she react? Will she completely fall apart? Will she be able to speak? What will happen? To be completely and absolutely alone for that long has got to mentally screw with a person beyond conceivable measure. The only person who could possibly understand would be Damon... but Damon's been back, he's adjusted. And sure, she and Damon became friends? buddies? sibs from another mother? over there? But that was over there when it was just the two of them. He's been back with his real brother, with Elena, with Alaric and Enzo. How much has changed? She doesn't know. So Bonnie sought to make an immediate connection that *he* had created between the two of them in a location that was *theirs* to bridge any potential gap right away and remind him just in case he forgot.

It made perfect sense to me. She had to be a fragile, mental mess on the verge of falling apart and how Damon would react could have decided how she would react. Of course, his reaction was perfect and so she could fly into his arms and that connection was right back where they'd left it (and I'm getting choked up again, man!). But it made sense that she needed to create a tangible, physical reminder of that connection to steady herself even before she saw him. Girl'd been through a lot.

I also LOVED LOVED LOVED the parallels to the pilot. There's another aspect to this, I think. You wrote about that scene where Caroline says she's never the chosen one. Well, she is in front of the girl who was Stefan's first choice, and Caroline is talking about how Stefan still hasn't chosen her.

Ooh, good, good point!

That maybe it would have made a difference. And, well, I wonder if there are more layers to that neck snap than just feeling annoyed at Elena for getting in the way of her attempts at shutting it off...their friendship is pretty complex. Not that she's worried about Stefan having feelings for Elena any more, just that Stefan's never chosen Caroline...

I love you pointing this out. I never thought about that because in my head Stefan and Elena are just so over, but yeah, I wonder if there was that part of it there because that history is so there with them. (Oh, I'm so glad that you decided to come out of lurkdom and start commenting! And if you feel like it during the hiatuses, feel free to comment on older episodes. I plan on putting up write-ups for season 01 this summer--I'll be doing them as if I didn't know what was to come!!)
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Alisha: SoM Dancekalishaka on February 23rd, 2015 02:14 pm (UTC)
*waves hands* I'm alive!

I just finally got a chance to watch the episode late last night. (Things have gone absolutely nutty on the real life front.) It was really truly fabulous! Not sure when I will get the chance/time to give you proper replies to things but I promise I will make an effort to do so as soon as I can!
Arabian: Elena09arabian on February 24th, 2015 07:00 am (UTC)
Ah, real life is such a pain sometimes! Grrr! Well, as always, I look forward to your thoughts. :)
ab4157ab4157 on February 23rd, 2015 08:57 pm (UTC)
Part 2
I'm looking forward to seeing Stefan's reaction to Caroline turning it off as well. I wonder if it'll affect his view of his own past as well, help him own it more? Though he's been really solid on that front, but seeing someone he admires so much do some terrible things...well, I don't know, I just feel there's so much potential to this.

I really appreciated what you said about the first scene. I honestly thought it was Damon being honest and curt per usual and just trying to be helpful. But, nope. He would NEVER in a billion years say that to Elena. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it was a really crappy thing to say. I don't think Caroline is necessarily right to blame Damon for turning it off because she probably would have anyway, but I think it's an honest reaction. And, I think when you don't know how to handle things, you tend to pick a tangible thing to blame and/or focus on.

Caroline telling Elena that if Stefan had said something different, she might not be so tempted to turn it off reminded me a bit of that scene in season 3 where Stefan was saying getting back from ripperdom would be nothing if Elena didn't choose him (what scene was that??). Obviously not the same situation or anything, but just the idea that Caroline believed Stefan could maybe keep her in one piece. I'm so glad Stefan didn't reach her in time because Caroline's already pretty insecure, especially about Stefan's feelings for her. If her humanity switch is dependent on how he feels for her? I feel like the relationship would turn unhealthy really quickly. And the two deserve better than that. So, I'm glad the writers are waiting to put them together.

My favorite aspect of the episode is that it had no Enzo.

I miss Liz :/

Hopefully a bit more DE focus in the episodes right after the hiatus. 6x14 and 6x15 didn't have too much. What was there was cute though.

Anyway, thanks for posting!
Arabian: Caroline07arabian on February 23rd, 2015 10:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Part 2
I'm looking forward to seeing Stefan's reaction to Caroline turning it off as well.

Ooh, me too as well. Especially how he was so hands-off for the most part with Elena and basically handled it all wrong. Everything he did was such a fail in pretty much every way.

I wonder if it'll affect his view of his own past as well, help him own it more?

Hmm, like I said in my post, I haven't really thought much about Caroline-emotions off because I don't want to speculate, get my hopes up about how they do it and be disappointed if I fall in love with an idea, but I do expect that Stefan will play a part, how I'm not sure, though.

I just feel there's so much potential to this.

That I agree with, but the whole "seeing someone he admires doing something terrible..." that I don't think will be an issue. I mean, he had zero issue with her sleeping with Klaus. One of the things I love about Stefan and Caroline is how she's the only person that Stefan doesn't judge when she's not perfect. Damon, Elena, Katherine (well, duh), Klaus, Rebekah (bigger duhs, especially Klaus), but everyone else, Stefan looks down from his moral, hero-haired high perch of sanctity, but not Caroline. He doesn't judge her. He accepts her and thinks she's great. He likes her just as she is.

I really appreciated what you said about the first scene. I honestly thought it was Damon being honest and curt per usual and just trying to be helpful. But, nope. He would NEVER in a billion years say that to Elena. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it was a really crappy thing to say.

RIGHT!??!? See, I'm not crazy! I have people having me think I misread it, but I don't think I did, not really. Especially when you take ALL of the Damon and Caroline scenes into the episode into account. Especially knowing that Julie fought so hard for that scene with them it fits even more because my interpretation explains why you needed the two of them, especially Damon being "not nice/nice-ish" with Caroline to tie into those later scenes. Yes, I could be wrong. I totally admit that, but it just seems to make more sense when taking all of their scenes as a whole.

I don't think Caroline is necessarily right to blame Damon for turning it off because she probably would have anyway, but I think it's an honest reaction.

Yes, I agree completely.

And, I think when you don't know how to handle things, you tend to pick a tangible thing to blame and/or focus on.

Right, and Damon's understandably always been her least favorite of the bunch.

Caroline telling Elena that if Stefan had said something different, she might not be so tempted to turn it off reminded me a bit of that scene in season 3 where Stefan was saying getting back from ripperdom would be nothing if Elena didn't choose him (what scene was that??).

I think you're thinking of the conversation with Ric in the Salvatore cellar in 3.19.

Obviously not the same situation or anything, but just the idea that Caroline believed Stefan could maybe keep her in one piece. I'm so glad Stefan didn't reach her in time because Caroline's already pretty insecure, especially about Stefan's feelings for her. If her humanity switch is dependent on how he feels for her? I feel like the relationship would turn unhealthy really quickly. And the two deserve better than that.

Can't say anything beyond yes, yes, yes, so very much a big yes!

So, I'm glad the writers are waiting to put them together.

Which is what I totally would expect from this show.

My favorite aspect of the episode is that it had no Enzo.

I'm probably the only person who likes this Enzo/Sarah/Matt story potential, LOL! But, no, Enzo's not my favorite character, not by a long shot.

I miss Liz :/

:sobs:

Hopefully a bit more DE focus in the episodes right after the hiatus. 6x14 and 6x15 didn't have too much. What was there was cute though.

*sigh* I'm hoping that with Mama Salvatore in the mix now, we're going to slowly see the focus start to switch back towards Damon and Elena as we head towards the home stretch. We'll see.

Anyway, thanks for posting!

Thank you for commenting. I loved your insights! :)

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Florencia: Reading (Damon)florencia7 on February 23rd, 2015 09:38 pm (UTC)
Ha!
Just for fun, I googled books published in 1903 & guess what I got: The Call of the Wild by Jack London! Coincidence??
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on February 23rd, 2015 10:52 pm (UTC)
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Ooooooh! Hmm, but I just checked and Julie Plec didn't write that episode, BUT, Caroline Dries and Brian Young did. Uh huh. Caroline Dries did.... The plot thickens.
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Frust-sheep: sheep: heartscolour-Frust-sheep-anifrust_sheep on February 23rd, 2015 09:59 pm (UTC)
Oh this was a so, so emotional episode this time again. But I have to say I really, really loved it! Damon's eulogy and Carolines Song, as you said the whole funeral was beautifully done. I have so to agree. I'm especially sad, that Liz is gone now. I really liked her. But like you said this situation opened up a lot of storylines. And I'm really excited for them. The only point, where I say at the moment, that I do not care so very much is Sarah Salvatore or better Enzo's storyline. *lol* But who knows, maybe I find that story soon very interesting, too. *lol*

YAY Bonnie is back! :D The scene with Damon was really very lovely. I really love their "sister/brother" kind of relationship, (even if 'some' people see them as a romantic relationship).
The scenes between Damon and Elena were really very lovely, too. I had so to smile as Elena said the "nice-ish" comment. *lol* :D
But oh I so can't wait for the first encounter between Bonnie and Kai, too!
Please, please make him a regular character. I can not help myself, I ship these two so much, too. Oops! :D

And YAY Stefan has really to fight for Caroline now. :D It was wonderful to see, that he finally really realized, what he had in front of him the whole time and how amazing Caroline is.
Also I liked that Matty and Tyler found a activity, which I think would really suit them, especially Tyler with his pent-up werewolf issues. I so agree with that again.

Anyway I agree with many more points of your view too, but anyway all in all it was a fantastic episode! :D I just need MORE! *LOL*

But now we have to wait till March 12th to get a new episode. Again I have so to agree, that is really so, so far away...

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Arabian: Stefan & Caroline12arabian on February 24th, 2015 07:11 am (UTC)
Oh this was a so, so emotional episode this time again. But I have to say I really, really loved it!

Agreed.

like you said this situation opened up a lot of storylines. And I'm really excited for them.

That to me is the key thing. Had Liz just died and there was nothing to it, then it would have been pointless, but we've gotten so much emotional heft out of this and so much story possibility.

The only point, where I say at the moment, that I do not care so very much is Sarah Salvatore or better Enzo's storyline. *lol* But who knows, maybe I find that story soon very interesting, too. *lol*

You're not alone, but I still think there is so much potential here. Just me, I know, LOL!

YAY Bonnie is back! :D The scene with Damon was really very lovely. I really love their "sister/brother" kind of relationship, (even if 'some' people see them as a romantic relationship).</i>

Those people are delusional. When you have the EP of the show LITERALLY saying that the show is writing a platonic relationship, writing them as family and that they know that "their fans" want a relationship, but they are writing them platonic, well, then the show is REALLY, DEFINITELY writing them as platonic and as brother/sister, so DEAL WITH IT!

But oh I so can't wait for the first encounter between Bonnie and Kai, too! Please, please make him a regular character. I can not help myself, I ship these two so much, too. Oops! :D

So glad I'm not the only one. :D
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k_stjamesk_stjames on February 24th, 2015 03:44 am (UTC)
Funny about you're reaction to Annie Wersching coming from 24 when I flitch because I remember her from General Hospital. I agree that it seems her casting is more related to her physical similarities to Ian as opposed to acting skills.

I liked the Bonnie and Damon hug because let's face it after everything that poor girl went through she deserved something nice. And what's nicer than touching Damon? But the hug just seemed like Kat hugging Ian instead of their characters to me. But whatever, I liked the emotion.

It never occurred to me until you mentioned it that Stefan's never chased anyone or seemingly worked too hard for any relationship or love so it will be interesting to see him pursue Caroline. I would have liked casual a Klaus mention given that they spent all that time on that relationship before abandoning it for Stefan/Caroline.

I can't wait for the real DE ILYs until it really counts.

Thanks for sharing.
Arabian: Ian & Nina(PS)01arabian on February 24th, 2015 07:21 am (UTC)
Funny about you're reaction to Annie Wersching coming from 24 when I flitch because I remember her from General Hospital.

Hmm, must have been a period when I wasn't watching GH because I don't remember her.

I agree that it seems her casting is more related to her physical similarities to Ian as opposed to acting skills.

See, I do think she's a pretty good actress, just annoying as hell, LOL!

I liked the Bonnie and Damon hug because let's face it after everything that poor girl went through she deserved something nice. And what's nicer than touching Damon?

Yup!

But the hug just seemed like Kat hugging Ian instead of their characters to me.

Oh, I disagree, to me that was TOTALLY Bonnie after being in such totaly isolation for such long and considering how close she and Damon no doubt became, I absolutely bought that absolutely as Bonnie hugging Damon.

It never occurred to me until you mentioned it that Stefan's never chased anyone or seemingly worked too hard for any relationship or love

Of course we noticed it with Katherine (and Rebekah), but I really noticed it in season 03 with Elena and it made me think back to them in season 01 and 02, how it was always Elena fighting for them, Stefan just hung his head and played martyr, walking away. So to see how he's fought to keep Caroline, first as friend and now this has been SOOO heartening and beautiful.

so it will be interesting to see him pursue Caroline.

Yup.

I would have liked casual a Klaus mention given that they spent all that time on that relationship before abandoning it for Stefan/Caroline.

Well, I never thought they spent much time on a relationship actually. It was more about Klaus and his issues and Caroline liked being put on a pedastal and number one for once. It was fairly one-sided and Caroline having some bit of a bad-boy fetish itch that was scratched.

I can't wait for the real DE ILYs until it really counts.

*sigh* Me too!

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for commenting. :D