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07 February 2015 @ 08:46 pm
6.13 - 'The Day I Tried To Live' (The Vampire Diaries)  
I know this is majorly late but I haven't been feeling good and I didn't feel like writing so sorry, but here it is now. :)

I'm just going to jump right in, so here goes.

The Matt and Enzo story feels disconnected from the rest of the show right now. Those scenes could have easily been taken out and the episode would not have suffered at all; in fact it would have been improved. Unlike with “Woke Up With A Monster" this wasn't a case of poor direction where the director wasn't able to seamlessly bridge the scenes because that happened with all of the storylines going on not just the Sarah “Nelson" scenes. The Bonnie scenes, the Damon/Elena, the Gemini, the Stefan/Caroline, the Liv/Tyler all flowed in and out of together. It was just the Matt/Enzo/Sarah ones that stuck out a bit.

I mean, the scenes themselves were good. I enjoyed them. I love my Matty. I actually do think that Malarkey and Zach Roerig work well together. I think that Tristin Mays (Sarah) is a lovely actress and I really like her so far. While the scenes played, I was drawn into them and found myself intrigued by the story and where it was going. It was just that once their scene began—every single time!—I immediately was drawn out of the main action that was going on because there was zero connection to *anything* else.

And that is something that The Vampire Diaries doesn't normally miss out on establishing which is why I'm frustrated because I am intrigued by this, but I completely understand why everyone else that I've heard from is not. Plus, it *really* frustrates me because it so, so easily could have been fixed and it frustrates me because if I can see it, why can't they? The line of dialogue was actually there that shows the answer! HELLO!!

Enzo told Matt that “Damon thinks he killed Sarah and instead of absolving him, Stefan's been using his guilt to keep him in check. Not very brotherly now, is it?" Boom, right there you've got your connection… IF it had been set up. Last season the show set up a relationship between Damon and Matt and Damon and Enzo. Had they only continued both relationships this season when Damon came back, presto, you've got your connection.

Had we seen Matt interacting with Damon beyond one phone call when Damon returned from the dead (man, I love typing shit like that) where he expressed reluctant (because he's a vampire, damnit, and Matt's not supposed to admit he cares about Damon), but heartfelt (because he does care, damnit!) relief that Damon's not dead. And had we seen Damon show some ‘aw, shucks! I get to see my minions again!' happiness at seeing Jeremy *and* Matt upon his return, that would have been good. And we'd seen a few scenes here and there of them together, especially Damon and Matt, just two or three, that's all it would have taken to establish the Damon/Matt connection.

Then after seeing the awesome follow-through to Enzo fighting so hard to figure out a way to bring Damon back and go after Stefan for being a ‘bad brother,' by actually seeing Damon and Enzo reunite beyond a barely-there scene in a van as they're both about to die would have been great! And, you know, some scenes of them hanging out, re-establishing their friendship, being buddies. (It's not like Damon had Alaric or anything being a stellar BFF.)

What would have happened then would be when Enzo said that line to Matt: “Damon thinks he killed Sarah and instead of absolving him, Stefan's been using his guilt to keep him in check. Not very brotherly now, is it?" Because we, the viewers, have seen the relationship between Damon and Matt and Damon and Enzo recently and enough, we would have filled in the connection in our heads to the current scenes playing out and thus this storyline would be… connected to the rest of the episode!

Seeing Damon with a measure of happiness, Stefan finding peace of mind with Caroline, we're getting the brothers at such a good place with each other. Now here are Enzo and Matt (unwillingly) planning on screwing with them. However, because Enzo and Matt have been kept separate from Damon this whole time, there is no connection. The antagonism with Stefan alone doesn't sell it if the friendship with Damon is not being shown. Ah well.

Still, I am intrigued. I am curious to see how Malarkey and Mays play opposite each other. I want to know if Matt will break down and tell someone (Damon!) what Enzo has planned. I mean, sure he doesn't want to be Enzo's bitch, but that's because he's already Damon's (minion at least). And, hey, maybe Enzo will start to fall for Sarah just *as* Matt breaks down and tells someone and it will be a race to stop Enzo and Sarah has to fight to save Enzo and convince the others that she loves him and Enzo has to convince them (Damon) that his revenge plans have changed?

We will see.

We will also see what my girl Bonnie gets up to once she reaches Novia Scotia. Man, who ever thought we'd see that place again? I love when the show uses its own history so well. Awesome. And, hey, any Tessa (Quetsiyah) name-dropping works for me anytime, anyway, anyhow!

Oh, my poor Bonnie! She broke my heart and made me so proud here. Firstly, I loved that Elena and Jeremy (although, honestly, it doesn't really count as much with Elena because she doesn't have her memories… yet) got to see a little bit of Bonnie and Damon's friendship through that video she watching. It wasn't much, but I appreciated that. Secondly, again, my poor Bonnie. Her tears, her crying face! Wah! She cries so pretty, but her pretty tears break my heart.

When she was making her goodbye video and talking about the loneliness, how she began by saying she missed the act of greeting strangers and ordering food in restaurants before building up to the more important things like hanging out with her friends to just the simple joy of laughing before hitting the final, sad statement of how she just doesn't talk for weeks. And then how she was so lonely and she broke down.

But she's strong. Bonnie Bennett is so strong, so she carried on and she finished her message which included a goodbye to Jeremy where she told him to move on, live his life and stay strong. Stay strong just like her Grams said and just like Damon knew that Bonnie couldn't do it, Bonnie could not do it. She did what her Grams said, she stayed strong. She pulled it together, held on long enough for one of the physical manifestations of Kai's magic woo's to work. We had seen it happen with the atlas once, and when Jeremy had touched Bonnie's wrist once (why she hadn't felt it we'll put down to the beginning of carbon monoxide poisoning), so they had set it up that every now and then the physical could break through and take hold and Bonnie held on long enough for it break though once more and Jeremy was there when he needed to be.

When I was talking to kalishaka, I had said initially that I wish Jeremy hadn't been there because I wanted it to be all Bonnie and that it was a silly magical emotional plot point that Jeremy was there to ooh! push the button, but watching it again and letting it percolate more, I stand by what I wrote above now. He did have to be there. Not just because, plot-point wise, they *did* give us those cues deliberately to let us know that every now and then, yes, the corporeal could break through, but emotionally for *Jeremy's* state of mind at the end… which led to *Elena's* state of mind when she spoke to Damon. So it all tied into together. So basically Bonnie back in 1994 because she is THAT awesome put the finishing touch that put Damon and Elena firmly back together and put Jeremy's head back on straight.

But back to Bonnie back in 1994, heading to Novia Scotia because Damon is also THAT awesome and those two are like the best non-siblings-siblings EVAR and read each other's minds so well. That final scene of Bonnie was pretty much worth the pain of all the previous Bonnie scenes in the episode, she was so boss. In her glasses, in what is now officially her Camaro (at least in 1994), heading back to 2013 (finally they're getting closer to the actual present!).

 

I just have one question: When Bonnie comes home, how often will she steal Damon's car? Wait, kalishaka has a follow-up question: If she brings her own set of keys, will it count as stealing?

Anyhoo, moving on… Jeremy. Sullen as ever as the episode begins, as he has been most of this season, but we finally got to see the Jeremy that I love at the end there. So as mentioned above, all it took were some wise words from Bonnie to wake his ass up. I love Jeremy, I do, but how he's been handling this has been pretty terrible. Of course, how Elena handled Damon's loss was pretty terrible too (both ways frankly). The Gilbert kids have just suffered so much grief that they have given up on even trying to come up with a healthy way to handle it at this point. (And I tell ya, something is up with Ric or he would have done better with Jeremy.)

Losing himself to bitterness is not the right life choice for Jeremy. It just doesn't work for him. I think, honestly, it was a mistake on the show's part to go that route with him and I think that when Damon returned they had the opportunity to go a different direction with Jeremy. That door was even opened when Jeremy visited Damon and we saw the old Jeremy with him, the more vulnerable, sweet Jeremy, but then they closed it right up. Ah well.

I'm just a little frustrated because I feel like the show really has an opportunity to do cool relationships with Damon/Jeremy/Matt that were explored in season 04 and then less so in season 05 and they've been dropped completely now. I just feel like it could open story possibilities for all three actors in ways that haven't been touched upon yet, especially for Steven R. McQueen and Zach Roerig. Again, ah well. At least, Bonnie said what she did in her video and Jeremy took it to heart and Elena got to him when he was still feeling the emotional pull of Bonnie's words so they affected him too. Therefore, he got the double whammy!

We saw him open the art school application, so we'll see. And, hey, failing grades or not, it's not like he doesn't know a few people who can compel him some passing grades, LOL! Getting out now would probably be the absolute best thing for him. And it was obvious that what Elena said to Jeremy made her realize that it was time for her to stop looking back.

I'm going to admit; I really, really don't like the last line of the Damon/Elena scenes when Elena tells Damon that “if the past is a place without you and me in it together, then stop living in it." I know it sounds crazy to think that I don't like that line, but bear with me. The reason I don't like it is because it really confused me and threw off the entire scene for me to the point that I missed the point (upon watching and rewatching the rest of the speech quite a few times) of the rest of what she was saying.

Elena telling Damon to stop living in the past made me go ‘whu huh?' because Damon hasn't been living in the past with regards to Elena in like, oh, I don't know for like ever?! It's been a long, long time since Damon has been caught up in that. Yeah, Kai mentioned it because Damon surely recounted that in his hours and hours and hours of talking about Elena and rehashing the whole saga to Bonnie (poor thing). And sure when Elena asked him if she thought they'd be together if she were human, he said no, but that has nothing to do with now because she's not human.

However we know because we've gotten Damon's point of view from pretty much episode three, season 01 on his feelings about Elena that he does not consider Stefan or Elena's feelings for Stefan even remotely an issue at all anymore. He's good; he's completely fine on that score. So I was completely thrown off by that last line. It just felt like it was coming out of the blue. Damon's not having any Elena-Stefan-past-shaped issues here. The only issues are ‘Elena compelled her memories of her love for him away.' That's it.

So to suddenly make it seem like the obstacle to the two of them getting back on track was a Damon issue made absolutely zero sense to me. This one was allllllllllll on Elena.

I'm going to blame this on the writers, Chad Fiveash and James Stoteraux. These are the same guys who wrote “The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get," an episode that I enjoyed, but one that had some serious out-of-character moments (namely between Alaric and Damon, and from Matt Donovan) and that was the first episode these guys had written. Now the difference is in that episode, they had written Damon and Elena, and Stefan and Caroline pitch-perfect. That last line, from Elena to Damon just did not make a lick of sense considering where they are right now in their relationship.

The rest, well, that made sense after I watched and rewatched and rewatched their previous scenes, and the Jeremy scene with Elena beforehand. The whole transition from her speech to Jeremy and how it applied to her and her and Damon. That is sooooooooo Elena. Elena does that. I love the girl to bits, but that is the one selfish aspect of her. Although, hmm, I don't know if that's selfish, so much as smart. She takes stock of situations around her and susses out the wisdom of what applies to her own life. Anyhoo, so, I get that part. She told Jeremy that you have to live your life, be happy and applied that to her own life. Good on her.

Then I had to go back (again) and rewatch the other scenes to pick up on what Elena was trying to say because I kept going back to that last line WHICH MADE NO FREAKING SENSE! Because I do this thing you see. I overthink. That's how these posts come about. I think and I overthink and I think some more and then I over-over-think. And then think some more. Most of you probably got it the first time around because IT WAS RIGHT THERE what the hell Elena was saying. But me… because I was so dang stuck on that horribly written last line that made no freaking sense? Took forever to get that Elena was saying what I've been dreaming and hoping and waiting for her to say since then end of season freaking 03!

It doesn't matter whether she is a human or a vampire, it's Damon, stupid! Yeah, it's Damon for Elena. Uh huh. And then we got the shortest love scene in the history of the show. Wait, no, that would be Liv and Tyler who didn't even get a love scene. What the hell, show?! What is it with you and love scenes this season? Are you allergic or something? But at least we got some hot kisses …

 

And some thrusting and grinding and leg-curling …

 

But I'm not gonna lie. I am disappoint. I can't believe we've waited half-a season for Damon and Elena to *finally* do the sexy chicka-chicka-bow-wow again, and it's about, wait for it, 15 seconds long. FIFTEEN SECONDS, people! Yeah! I'm just really, really, really hoping that we are going to get more over the course of February sweeps or something really worthwhile when Elena gets her memories back. Otherwise? Very, very disappoint.

On the other-other hand, in fifteen seconds, Ian and Nina did NOT disappoint, that was a WHOLE LOTTA hot they packed in there. Refer to gifs above… and enjoy. And we also got some post-coital cuddling where Elena clearly wore Damon out, hehehehe! …

 

And some pre-sexy-tiems! cupcake kissing! Seriously, how adorable was that scene? I mean on a scale of 1 to super-uber-adorbs how utterly adorable was that? Yeah, indescribably adorable, huh? Elena all sparkly happy, clearly just wanting to get the talk over so she could get to the kissing. And we had Damon amusement paired with his desire at her oh-so-obviousness lust for him. I mean, look at the girl's face (and pretty, pretty hair!).

 

And then, and then, and then!!! the way that Damon was all like explaining to her that kissing was the reason for not talking, but she had to talk anyway and she's all radiantly smiling as she's telling him how good she feels about the kissing. So he's all this is the talk, and she's like yeah, and he's all definitively making sure the talk is done because he's respecting her and once that's clear, he goes in for the kiss and she's all down for that. And again, adorbs! And hawt!

 

Then there was just their whole totally in-synch-ness again when dealing with Kai like we had last week. They just work so well together. Damon steps back and lets Elena take the lead when she get the most out of the situation, and vice versa. Their little teasing each other back and forth, their utter one-ness, ah, I love them so.

So, aside from that one line that made NO FREAKING SENSE! and took out my enjoyment of that Damon/Elena scene, once again, writers Fiveash and Stoteraux did an excellent job with the couple. On the other hand, when it came to Stefan and Caroline… well, as in their first outing, they wrote the pair absolutely aces. These two were as perfect as perfect could be. I was just loving every second. I mean, has watching someone try and enrage the other person ever been so adorable? Like ever? So, so, so cute!

 

Seriously, Stefan loves Caroline so much. It's like, oh my gosh, watching Stefan in love with Caroline is the most wonderful thing ever. Because it's like he knows he's in love with her, but he won't admit to himself that he knows he's in love with her and so there's always this underlying hilarity to every single one of their scenes. It's awesome.

I genuinely loved every solitary moment of them in this episode so if I were to highlight stuff it would really be everything, I kid you not. And I don't have much to say thinky-thoughts wise because it would really be just a continuation of what I've been saying about them over the last few episodes because the beauty of their arc is continuing on swimmingly. So I'm just going to point out a few specific things to give an idea of my uber-love.

There was that moment when Ms. Cuddles head fell off (LOL!) when Caroline began to laugh but it was a pained laugh and the camera angle switched to one that was a set-up for ‘this burgeoning couple is about to kiss.' And I really, really wanted them to kiss. Like A LOT! And then it became obvious that they were not going to kiss and I was disappointed. And then Caroline began to cry and she fell against Stefan's shoulder and began to cry and he wrapped his arms around her, comforted her and realized that I was so very glad that they had not kissed because it would have so been the wrong moment for their first kiss. And I was very happy that they had not kissed. It was such a perfect moment that I didn't realize was perfect until it was over.

 
 

The other thing was Stefan not only unable to say that they were searching for a teddy bear in a shallow grave buried by a 9-year old with a straight face, but him actually telling her that he couldn't say it with a straight face. It was just so adorable that Stefan wasn't even trying to hide that he was trying to rile her up, and he was so adorable doing it. (“Oh, it's a leaf.") And Caroline knew what he was doing, and she was getting mad, but she was also charmed and loved him for doing it because she knew why he was doing it. It was just… garsh, it was just love.

My goodness, I love Stefan and Caroline SO VERY HARD!

I also still really do like Liv and Tyler a lot. Their scenes pre-magical-takedown were really well-done. Tyler was fighting just for her to live. He's basically spent the last several episodes doing that, fighting for her life, which when you think about it, make sense. Liv literally *killed* for him and by doing so she gave him a lifetime free of agony and the chains of being a werewolf holding him back. But Liv is not thinking rationally at all right now. Luke was literally her other half and she lost him to the man who tried to kill the both of when they small children, the boogie man to them. Of course, we could see that final moment coming with the kiss and the magic-takedown, but it was still beautiful.

 

And their final scene was painful. And Tyler, oh Tyler, my beautiful human-cockroach hybrid. His dickish response was perfect and right and totally in character. That is EXACTLY how Tyler Lockwood would respond. Anything else from him would be totally out of character. Where they go from here, I don't know, but I want to see it… and by it, I mean an actual love scene when they reunite.

Speaking of reunions… Kai and Liv's did not quite go as she expected, now did it? But then, methinks her non-rational self forgot the whole part about Luke being a part of Kai now. And boy is he ever. So, yeah, I'm guessing this is how they are looking at potentially, possibly, probably planning on making Kai (Chris Wood) a long-term player? At this stage, it works for me.

I've made no secret of the fact that I think Wood is fabulous and I love, love, love Kai. I thought he was good in his very first appearance and I've just been more and more impressed with each additional appearance. I feel like they pretty much laid out the plan with his one line to Elena: “Let's face it, guys, right… Look, Elena, you of all people, should be able to look past all the questionable things I've done to see there's good somewhere in me. You did it with Damon." So, a challenge to the audience: We did it with Damon, we can do it with Kai.

And the scene where Kai was caught between missing burning someone alive and then when given the opportunity to do so finding himself actually not wanting to do so showed that there is a great opportunity for an epic struggle within the character. A struggle that could play out over 2-4 seasons, and Chris Wood is a good enough actor, that he can do it justice. I trust this show, I trust Caroline Dries and I trust the writers… so I'm down for the battle between the good Luke infesting the sociopathic Kai. Yeah.

Phew! OK, randoms –

- Damon is a genius. Bonnie says it, but we also got proof: His sob-storying about Bonnie to Kai (and I loved Elena's background reaction to it, LOL!), then kicking a hole in his fireplace upon realizing that Liv was below them and then throwing the bourbon bottle through the hole into the fireplace into the room she was in.

- The fight scenes between Kai and Liv were fantastic.

- Hah! The whole Kai is supposed to be in PORTLAND!, but he needs Damon and Elena to give a letter of apology to Jo because he has alien fluid in his eyes. Double hah! I loved it.

- Sarah is pretty and nice and all that, but you know she's gotta be thinking Matt is not all that smart or she's not all that smart, because, uhm, why didn't she ask Matt why he didn't just ask oh ANYONE or you know HER if he could just use their phone to call someone? And you know maybe wait inside a warm building while waiting for person he would have called? Yeah, Sarah? Not too bright. Clearly, Damon got allll the brains in the Salvatore family tree. I mean, we got Giuseppe, Zach, Stefan and now Sarah. Yup, Damon got all the brains.

- So in the pre-Kai fight scenes with Tyler, Liv barely had any eyeliner on. When she woke up from her near-death adventures in her dorm, she had lovely eyelinered eyes, so I'm guessing that while waiting, Tyler got bored and was practicing his cosmetology skills?

- So I thought that Kai was just feeling weak and that's why Damon gave him his blood, so I had no problem with him helping Jeremy, but I know that others read the scene as Kai was actually dying and therefore the Luke-parts of him was taking it too far. And that could be problematic and pushing it too far in "fixing" Kai. Thoughts?

- It's official this episode, Ms. Cuddles is been the MVP scene stealer of the season. There is not one episode that she's been where in her scenes, she does not fill the episode with joy and awesomeness.

- Damon calling Bonnie “Bon-Bon" will never not be awesome. (Especially because his voice is so filled with love now when he says it. Aww.)

- Kai would have been OK with Luke's hair? Really?

- Kai DID take a cupcake! Hah! You can see him licking frosting off of his finger at the beginning of the next scene after he walks in. LOL!

- Aww, Caroline was sewing Ms. Cuddles' head back on when Stefan gave her the drinks at the end. Double aww.

So a very good episode. My only issues was the disconnect between the Sarah storyline and the rest of the episode, but that's on the lack of Damon/Enzo, Damon/Matt scenes in past episodes, and that one line that made NO FREAKING SENSE in the Damon/Elena scene (and the uber-brevity of their love scene *). Other than that, really good one. This continues to be a great season. Woohoo!

* Still enjoyable.

     
 
 
 
Mattghidorah15 on February 8th, 2015 02:07 am (UTC)
It is odd that there's a disconnect with this plot, but hopefully it'll tie in soon enough. In any case, I like Sarah so far, too - and y'know what? Matt Donovan is welcome to her. Rebekah's mine. ;)

I could've sworn Elena said "Let's stop living in it" when referring to the time she and Damon weren't together. If not, well, it still made sense to me. Faulty writers shall not keep this couple down, not after everything they've endured.

Yep, Stefan/Caroline aren't even remotely a secret at this point, are they? They're Endgame with a capital E. Let's just hope that bringing together the two versions of Miss Cuddles doesn't trigger some sort of time paradox.

And Bonnie...well, thank God (or Kai - something I never thought I'd say) that Jeremy was there to help her escape her own suicide attempt. On to the Island! (Who'd have thought we'd head back there? Not I. Continuity Nod for the win! :D)

Liv and Tyler...who knows where that'll go? Hopefully, she'll be able to heal. And I doubt we've seen the last of her murderous father...

Edited at 2015-02-08 05:43 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena48arabian on February 8th, 2015 07:34 am (UTC)
It is odd that there's a disconnect with this plot, but hopefully it'll tie in soon enough.

I'm sure it will, and I'm assuming that Damon will be that tie. It's just a tad frustrating because he very easily already could (and should especially because of the lack of Matt and Enzo so far this season) be that tie.

In any case, I like Sarah so far, too - and y'know what? Matt Donovan is welcome to her. Rebekah's mine. ;)

Hah! Hey, if I can share Damon with Elena, you can share Rebekah with Matt!

I could've sworn Elena said "Let's stop living in it" when referring to the time she and Damon weren't together.

I dunno, I've watched that scene probably about 25 times at this point, and I'm pretty dang sure she said it about just him.

If not, well, it still made sense to me.

But it implied that DAMON is living in the past... and he is most decidedly not. And that by nature of the fact that DAMON LIVING IN THE PAST it is for that reason that Damon and Elena are not together right now and that is sooooooooooooo not the case.

Faulty writers shall not keep this couple down, not after everything they've endured.

It just bothered me because I've been waiting for damn near three seasons for acknowledgement that human or not, Elena would choose Damon and I finally get it and I didn't *get* it because I was so thrown off by the idiocy of that last line.

Yep, Stefan/Caroline aren't even remotely a secret at this point, are they? They're Endgame with a capital E.

And I LOVES it!

Let's just hope that bringing together the two versions of Miss Cuddles doesn't trigger some sort of time paradox.

I laughed when I read this, but, really, yeah, I hope not.

And Bonnie...well, thank God (or Kai - something I never thought I'd say) that Jeremy was there to help her escape her own suicide attempt.

True dat!

On to the Island! (Who'd have thought we'd head back there? Not I. Continuity Nod for the win! :D)

I know, right?!?

Liv and Tyler...who knows where that'll go? Hopefully, she'll be able to heal.

I believe she will, but it will take time. And without Tyler sticking around to help... who knows what she'll do?

And I doubt we've seen the last of her murderous father...

Yeah, Papa Parker Douchebag is definitely still a factor, I agree.
distant_autumn: Elena - Keep On - sietepecadosdistant_autumn on February 8th, 2015 06:06 am (UTC)
Obviously covering my eyes and skipping your actual post but I saw the sentence at the top about you not having been feeling good, so I just wanted to say I hope you're feeling better now, bb! *hugs*
Arabian: Elena01arabian on February 8th, 2015 07:00 am (UTC)
I'm having some issues lately, really tired and such so it's been stressful, but I'm seeing my doctor on Monday, so we'll see. Thanks. :)
distant_autumn: Elena - Keep On - sietepecadosdistant_autumn on February 8th, 2015 07:09 am (UTC)
*Hugs you* I'm really sorry to hear that, and going to the doctor is definitely the right thing to do. Let me know how it goes <3
Arabian: Elena-Caroline & Bonnie01arabian on February 8th, 2015 07:27 am (UTC)
Thanks. :) {HUGS BACK}
Bogwitch: TVD - Damon Won't Tellbogwitch on February 8th, 2015 09:26 am (UTC)
Sorry you haven't been feeling well.

The Matt and Enzo storyline is a zzzz, so far I don't care; something needs to happen there soon for me to give a damn, even though Sarah seems to have a lot of potential. I'm fairly sure I don't need a scene with Damon and Matt, but I agree one with Damon and Enzo is sorely needed. It does seem a bit weird at this point that they haven't interacted more, since Enzo is supposed to care so much and Damon is his one real relationship on the show.

I don't have much to add about poor Bonnie, other than it's nice to see her and that I thought 'ordering in restaurants' was a little strange for someone her age to miss, but who am I to judge.

>>Losing himself to bitterness is not the right life choice for Jeremy. It just doesn't work for him.

Would that work for anybody?

>>“if the past is a place without you and me in it together, then stop living in it." I know it sounds crazy to think that I don't like that line, ... because it really confused me and threw off the entire scene for me

Oh thank goodness, it wasn't just me! I must be over-thinking it too because I was just as confused and I've been mulling it for days.

I agree that 3x22 being brought up as a big issue is wrong, even if it's still a nagging doubt. I'm sure Damon would like to know he's her choice human or vampire, but that's a little academic at this point because he knows she broke up with Stefan for him, so being her 'second choice' is just not true. Also, she's speaking as if she remembers far more than she should. How can she be so sure that she would always go back to Damon when she doesn't remember what she felt?

I did like the DE bed cuddling (and the cupcake), mainly because I had thought in their previous bed scenes post-relationship (excluding 5x17 for what was going on there) they had always been oddly distant in that big bed.

>>Damon calling Bonnie “Bon-Bon" will never not be awesome.

I'm actually finding that extremely irritating now. Damon is more inventive than that.

For some primal reason I found Damon kicking a hole in his fireplace really hot. :D

Edited at 2015-02-08 09:32 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon11arabian on February 8th, 2015 10:22 am (UTC)
Sorry you haven't been feeling well.

Thanks. It sucks, but such be life.

The Matt and Enzo storyline is a zzzz, so far I don't care; something needs to happen there soon for me to give a damn, even though Sarah seems to have a lot of potential.

Like I said, I know most feel that way, and it's a shame because I do think it would have been an easy fix. Ah well.

I agree one with Damon and Enzo is sorely needed. It does seem a bit weird at this point that they haven't interacted more, since Enzo is supposed to care so much and Damon is his one real relationship on the show.

The lack of Damon/Enzo really makes no sense at all. But then the Damon/Alaric hasn't been very well represented either to be honest.

I thought 'ordering in restaurants' was a little strange for someone her age to miss, but who am I to judge.

It's just that it's just an ordinary thing to do. You go out, you talk to someone who's a stranger, and yet you establish a random, for a few hours connection with them, learn their name, tell a few jokes, etc. and it's just one of the little bits of human connection that she's not able to partake in.

>>Losing himself to bitterness is not the right life choice for Jeremy. It just doesn't work for him.

Would that work for anybody?


I didn't mean as a human being, I meant as a storyline for his character. Been there, done that, let's move on.

Oh thank goodness, it wasn't just me! I must be over-thinking it too because I was just as confused and I've been mulling it for days.

Double thank goodness!

I agree that 3x22 being brought up as a big issue is wrong, even if it's still a nagging doubt. I'm sure Damon would like to know he's her choice human or vampire, but that's a little academic at this point because he knows she broke up with Stefan for him, so being her 'second choice' is just not true.

YES! EXACTLY!

Also, she's speaking as if she remembers far more than she should. How can she be so sure that she would always go back to Damon when she doesn't remember what she felt?

Well, this I don't agree with because I like the idea that Elena is already so sure of what she's feeling for him that she's sure that no matter what then, now, memories or not, human or vampire... she and Damon will be together. That is what she was saying, that's all she needs to know.

I did like the DE bed cuddling (and the cupcake), mainly because I had thought in their previous bed scenes post-relationship (excluding 5x17 for what was going on there) they had always been oddly distant in that big bed.

Well, the only bed scenes I can recall were the 3.01 and 3.03 ones and in the first were the summer-rush ones where they were rolling around deliriously happy having sexytiems! and the third was when Elena was dealing with the cold feeling of dread about Stefan and Damon had just found out that Elena had been having these weird dream/feelings about Stefan all summer and hadn't told him. So there wasn't anything odd about it.

For some primal reason I found Damon kicking a hole in his fireplace really hot. :D

Who wouldn't?
tj2013tj2013 on February 8th, 2015 08:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts, as always - and I hope you are feeling better by now.

Thank your for touching on the Enzo/Matt stuff. I talked to a friend and we agreed that the scenes themselves were nice and we liked Sarah, but they felt off. And thanks to you I know now why. You nailed it.

Ha - I called it that Luke's personality would screw with Kai. And it was hilarious. I don't mind them sending Kai on a redemption arc, as long as he is so funny. Chris Wood rocks.

Damon and Elena - yes to everything you said. For me the scene with Elenas speech was like a mirror of her 4x23 speech, she telling him she loved him (at that time it still might have been a mistake for her), Damon listening with a doubting face and then he closes in and takes her face into his hands and kisses her.

Do you think they are paving the ground for Elena to be human again and that we (and specifically Damon) will realize she loves him nonetheless? This is just me thinking aloud, no spoiler here.

Stefan and Caroline: You are right, the love is so there. And I loved how Paul played it. Sometimes his acting is not very nuanced, but Stefan watching Caroline digging - man, I was laughing so hard. That was a great scene. Loved the near kiss and that they didn't go there yet.

What is it with the witches on this show and their men? Didn't Bonnie do the same to Jeremy once? Kissing him and thus rendering him unconscious?



Arabian: Bonnie04arabian on February 9th, 2015 09:36 am (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts, as always - and I hope you are feeling better by now.

I'm seeing my doctor tomorrow, gonna try to figure out what's wrong. We'll see. Thanks.

Damon and Elena - yes to everything you said. For me the scene with Elenas speech was like a mirror of her 4x23 speech, she telling him she loved him (at that time it still might have been a mistake for her), Damon listening with a doubting face and then he closes in and takes her face into his hands and kisses her.

That's what it reminded me of, I couldn't remember which kiss it was, but it was totally that, you're right. But it didn't fit, did it? Because that, Damon knowing that Elena loves him has already been resolved. This whole compelled love away has nothing to do with any of that. Bringing Stefan back into it was just... Gosh, it made no sense.

Do you think they are paving the ground for Elena to be human again and that we (and specifically Damon) will realize she loves him nonetheless? This is just me thinking aloud, no spoiler here.

Not now, but I still suspect it may eventually happen with both of them. I always have thought that may be there endgame because of 4.13.

What is it with the witches on this show and their men? Didn't Bonnie do the same to Jeremy once? Kissing him and thus rendering him unconscious?

Yes, Bonnie did (2.21 -- AWESOME episode!!), but it makes sense, you got that power, might as well use it. :shrug:
Florencia: DE (I've Never Felt More Alive)florencia7 on February 8th, 2015 08:35 pm (UTC)
part I
That's not late at all ♥ Monday would be late! Anytime during the weekend is good for me ;D

But I'm sorry to hear that you didn't feel well. I'm hope you're feeling better by now ♥hugs♥

”The Matt and Enzo story feels disconnected from the rest of the show right now. / I mean, the scenes themselves were good.” - That's exactly how I felt about those scenes! But I completely blame the storyline which just isn't working for me so far. Are they going to make Sarah the next big bad or something? I just don't get where they're going with this.

”Enzo told Matt that “Damon thinks he killed Sarah and instead of absolving him, Stefan's been using his guilt to keep him in check. Not very brotherly now, is it?" Boom, right there you've got your connection” - Except that the connection got lost three seconds later when Enzo explained that his plan was, in all actuality, to turn Stefan's fake scenario into the reality. If he was really doing this for/because of Damon, he would've just told him about Sarah. Ruining her life and turning her into a vampire = killing her is just going to solidify and “refresh” Damon's guilt if he ever finds out about her.

”And, you know, some scenes of them hanging out, re-establishing their friendship, being buddies.” - Yeah, that what I've been waiting for all season! We started off seeing Enzo working hard along Caroline to bring Damon back and now that Damon is back, Enzo's out there, hell-bent on hurting Stefan due to some REALLY convoluted logic.

”The antagonism with Stefan alone doesn't sell it if the friendship with Damon is not being shown.” - The problem is that Enzo's not doing this for Damon. But OK, at least he *claims* that he kind of is. So... why didn't Matt call Damon yet??? Wouldn't it be worth trying, that maybe Damon could talk Enzo out of this entire scheme?

” And, hey, maybe Enzo will start to fall for Sarah just *as* Matt breaks down and tells someone and it will be a race to stop Enzo and Sarah has to fight to save Enzo and convince the others that she loves him and Enzo has to convince them (Damon) that his revenge plans have changed?” - Now THAT actually sounds pretty good! I think I'd be on board with such a turn of events ;D

One more thing on the subject of Sarah. There were two moments in the episode that had me worried that the show's planning on brining back the whole “Damon is so awful” storyline à la S5's Whitmores, but maybe you can out my mind at rest (hopefully!) The first moment was when Kai started talking about how Elena could see the good in Damon, so maybe she could also see it in him and Damon just a tiny bit (but it was there) of nervousness interrupted him (and he was listening pretty patiently until then). The second moment was when Bonnie was watching the video of him saying that the world they were stuck in was his own personal hell. So my question is, what do you think will happen when Elena finds out what exactly happened on May 10th? Will it have the Aaron effect on her, so to speak? I want to think that I'm overinterpreting this, but since the Sarah's plot has just begun being one of the central ones...

”She cries so pretty, but her pretty tears break my heart.” - That's true :]

”When Bonnie comes home, how often will she steal Damon's car?” - haha Good question! Or maybe Stefan could just get/renovate a new one for her ;)
Arabian: Damon09arabian on February 9th, 2015 09:53 am (UTC)
Re: part I
But I'm sorry to hear that you didn't feel well. I'm hope you're feeling better by now ♥hugs♥

Thanks, I'm seeing my doctor tomorrow, gonna try to figure out what's wrong. We'll see.

That's exactly how I felt about those scenes! But I completely blame the storyline which just isn't working for me so far.

But that's my point, the problem is that they haven't connected the story to the other characters (or rather character -- Damon). Had they done that, then I honestly believe more viewers *would* care.

Are they going to make Sarah the next big bad or something?

I don't think so.

I just don't get where they're going with this.

Well, we often don't know, but we care about the story and are intrigued to see where they're going. I'm intrigued, but most aren't... and that's the problem.

Except that the connection got lost three seconds later when Enzo explained that his plan was, in all actuality, to turn Stefan's fake scenario into the reality. If he was really doing this for/because of Damon, he would've just told him about Sarah.

No, not true. He's doing this TO Sarah to PUNISH Stefan for doing this to Damon. That's how Enzo's mind works and we go back to lack of connection between Enzo and Damon and how that's hurt this story. Remember (because of the Damon/Enzo flashback) we know that Enzo equates dealing with his anger issues (which he has towards Stefan because of how badly he feels he treated Damon) by using revenge. He comes up with his revenge plan and he follows through.

Ruining her life and turning her into a vampire = killing her is just going to solidify and “refresh” Damon's guilt if he ever finds out about her.

Not in Enzo's mind because he is just thinking about punishing Stefan for HIS sins, not Damon for his. Enzo sees the world in odd shades of black and white. To him, Stefan is bad, Damon is good. So punishing Stefan rewards Damon. Enzo is a severely messed-up soul... likely because he was tortured horrifically for 60+ years.

So... why didn't Matt call Damon yet??? Wouldn't it be worth trying, that maybe Damon could talk Enzo out of this entire scheme?

Because Matt is all anti-vampire right now, he's barely hanging out with Elena and Caroline, his life-long friends and two girls he's loved, so considering how they've chosen to written him, I can see (sadly) why they are having him not turn to Damon. I do hope it changes though soon. I'm still counting on my girl, Bonnie, to be the bridge between Matt and the vampires, I hope so.

Now THAT actually sounds pretty good! I think I'd be on board with such a turn of events ;D

Just thought of that story idea with Enzo/Sarah as I was typing this up. It would be cool, wouldn't it? Imagine if they have goooood chemistry?!

The first moment was when Kai started talking about how Elena could see the good in Damon, so maybe she could also see it in him and Damon just a tiny bit (but it was there) of nervousness interrupted him (and he was listening pretty patiently until then).

That was TOTALLY, SOLELY, COMPLETELY, ABSOLUTELY about telling the audience very obviously in NEON-BRIGHT CLUES (and not very subtly because these guys are just not the most subtle of writers evar) that "SEE! WE DID IT WITH DAMON! WE CAN DO IT WITH KAI TOO!!!!" It was all about Kai, ALL. ABOUT. KAI. Not about Damon at all. That was lampshading of the highest order. Seriously, they could have had a closed caption description on the screen it was so obvious.

The second moment was when Bonnie was watching the video of him saying that the world they were stuck in was his own personal hell.

And that was JUST so that Jeremy/Elena could see Bonnie reacting to Damon with that sweet smile/laugh so that they could get a small glimpse of their intereaction. Do I think that Elena will find out about what happened? Probably. Will she go run off screaming and leave Damon? Not this time. This will finally be the time where Elena does accept that Damon did things in the past that were awful but that's part and parcel of loving Damon--accepting that loving him means loving all of him, the good and the bad.

I want to think that I'm overinterpreting this

I truly believe you are.

Edited at 2015-02-09 10:25 am (UTC)
Florencia: DE (Summer)florencia7 on February 9th, 2015 06:33 pm (UTC)
Re: part I
"I truly believe you are." - Ohhh Thank you so much! You truly did calm my nerves regarding this issus! haha ♥!
Florencia: TVD (Stefan & Caroline)florencia7 on February 8th, 2015 08:36 pm (UTC)
part II
”And I tell ya, something is up with Ric or he would have done better with Jeremy.” - *sigh* One of these of days you'll have to come to the sad realization that the simple truth is that Ric is just not that awesome *shakes head* lol

”I know it sounds crazy to think that I don't like that line, but bear with me.” - haha I actually loved that line! And I guess I'm developing a bias in regard to the guys who wrote this episode. I loved the previous episode that they wrote (and as far as I remember you loved it a little less than me) and it was the same with this one. I just feel like they rely on our knowledge and love of the characters more than most of others writers do. They take us getting some things for granted and their, um, “emotional pacing” is a little different, but for some reason it really really works for me. And sometimes it seems like they “skip” some connective tissue, but they really don't. It's just all because they know the characters and know that we know the characters and sometimes they like wrapping things up from a larger perspective... if that makes sense ^^ It's late and I'm not extra-coherent, I guess, sorry ^^

”Damon hasn't been living in the past with regards to Elena in like, oh, I don't know for like ever?!” - Oh, I wouldn't be so optimistic about that. We were still dealing with this very stuff in S5!

”So to suddenly make it seem like the obstacle to the two of them getting back on track was a Damon issue made absolutely zero sense to me.” - I didn't get an impression that it was what she was saying AT ALL. I just felt like she added up ALL of their issues that she could think of, that's why she put in one sentence being human, Stefan and her still being drawn to Damon despite her selective amnesia. It was a summary of the obstacles, not enumerating the most recent ones. And when she told Damon to stop living in the past – she WAS talking about HERSELF :) She was talking about both of them.

”I'm going to blame this on the writers, Chad Fiveash and James Stoteraux.” - Aww! And I'm going to keep defending them! Lol I just really do think they possess an uncanny understanding of the characters.

”That last line, from Elena to Damon just did not make a lick of sense considering where they are right now in their relationship.” - Like I said above, Elena was talking about herself, so it was all relevant. She just made a comparison (DE & parallels, heh!) of Damon (possibly, kind of) living in the past (due to the whole human!Elena argument, and it's also important to remember that Elena doesn't remember how big of a doubt it still is in Damon's head! She doesn't remember he's past that. And just *just* admitted that he thought that if Elena was still human they wouldn't be together)

”And then we got the shortest love scene in the history of the show.” - I (*magically*, might I add lol) managed not to be upset about that! Because it was a beautiful scene AND I have no doubt that a longer one's coming ♥ (And who knows, maybe we'll get a nice morning-after in the next episode already?)

”I mean on a scale of 1-super-uber-adorbs how utterly adorable was that?” - It was BEYOND adorable, yes! ;D (And on that note, Kai's “yum, cupcakes” was pretty adorable too LOL)

” Because it's like he knows he's in love with her, but he won't admit to himself that he knows he's in love with her and so there's always this underlying hilarity to every single one of their scenes. It's awesome.” - That's true! And I SO loved all of their scenes :]
Arabian: Damon & Elena41arabian on February 9th, 2015 10:15 am (UTC)
1/2
*sigh* One of these of days you'll have to come to the sad realization that the simple truth is that Ric is just not that awesome *shakes head* lol

No, I STILL don't have a problem with Ric in the beginning of the season and him compelling Elena's love for Damon away. AT ALL. I loved Ric at the beginning of the season. And my only issue with Ric when Damon came back was the awful OOC-writing that the writers of THIS episode did when they wrote his scenes SO TERRIBLY in their first scenes upon his return, but the following episode and the episode after that the Damon/Ric scenes and other Ric scenes were AWESOME. My only Ric issues have been that I don't like Jo, I don't like the Ric/Jo pairing and I think that he's been unfair to Damon in about 2-3 episodes--which seems to be over already.

And I think that it's possible because when he was trying to help Jeremy, he did make a comment or two that hinted at some issues, when he was talking to Elena in the early episodes, he did make a comment or two that hinted at issues (sure they just seemed to be about vampirism, but it could have been more than he realized). I just know that I've seen enough of Ric and Ric/Damon that was reminiscent enough of AWESOME!Ric and he WAS DEAD for over a year, and the Gemini Coven is freaky to not think that potentially something else could be going on.

I actually loved that line!

It made no sense.

I loved the previous episode that they wrote (and as far as I remember you loved it a little less than me)

I did and as I recall, I was proven right about things that I claimed seemed OOC and didn't make sense and could be read different ways because of their unfocused and scattered writing, which you argued against and said was very clear. And then the next episode proved my point by showing the opposite of a couple of those things. These guys DO NOT have an uncanny sense of these characters. Part of the reason that I've loved this re-do of Damon and Elena is *because* of the fact that Stefan has NOT been a part of it, the shadow and specter of Stefan has not been there. And then, boom, all of a freaking sudden, Elena is talking about her past love for Stefan and that it's something that Damon doesn't have to worry about? Ever since Elena came back, the strain between them has all been about the fact that Elena compelled her love away and NOTHING about Damon's issues, Damon's insecurities, Damon's problems because DAMON is secure in their love, Damon has faith in their love, Damon knows that they are good, solid, great, etc. And then, boom!, Elena has to convince Damon to put his doubts and worries and insecurities and leave them all in the past as if HE'S the hold-up here? What the freaking hell?!?!?

Again, it made no sense. There is no larger perspective here because Damon Salvatore has NOT been living in the past when it comes to Elena AT ALL. He is FIRMLY in the present and looking to the future WITH HER. He's the one who told her, fine, you compelled your memories away, no big, we'll make new ones!

TBC

Edited at 2015-02-09 10:22 am (UTC)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline02arabian on February 9th, 2015 10:15 am (UTC)
2/2
Oh, I wouldn't be so optimistic about that. We were still dealing with this very stuff in S5!

SO NOT TRUE! Remember "What Lies Beneath" and how Caroline was all worried about Stefan and Elena? And how Damon was NOT... at all? Even the slightest, teeniest, tiniest bit? Once Damon found out that it was a spell created by the Travelers and that it was over, and Elena told him (badly, but still) that Stefan and her were just a fantasy, but she and Damon were a messy reality and that's what she wanted, even if he needed time to process, he knew. All Stefan doubts were gone. Damon's Stefan worries complete history now. "Resident Evil" took care of that, done kilt it dead.

I didn't get an impression that it was what she was saying AT ALL.

But that's exactly what she said. She put the ONUS of them working things out ON HIM. As if HE was the hold-out here.

I just felt like she added up ALL of their issues that she could think of, that's why she put in one sentence being human, Stefan and her still being drawn to Damon despite her selective amnesia.

But as far as she knows, there is NO issue there. She asked Damon a question for which she HAS NO MEMORY about her feelings for Damon AT ALL at the time. Zero, nada, none and then she acted like she knew the situation and, again, acted like Damon was being held back on moving on to a happy, happy, joy, joy life with her because HE was still living in the past.

And when she told Damon to stop living in the past – she WAS talking about HERSELF :)

Then she should have said that. But she didn't. She said YOU, meaning DAMON. So... BAD WRITING. And again, if she was talking about herself, she has no knowledge of what happened between Damon/Elena/Stefan to make that comment about HERSELF because she has no memories of the DAMON feelings part of that situation.

She was talking about both of them.

And, again, DAMON is NOT living in the past. Damon has not been living in the past for near a year now. He's good. Well and dang good with it.

I just really do think they possess an uncanny understanding of the characters.

No. They wouldn't write so many characters and moments out of character with various characters that many a long-term viewer who knows the show very well (including myself) find so jaw-droppingly WHU!?!? if they did. We insanely disagree on this. They are really good writers and have some great stuff in their episodes that I adore (and they continue to write Stefan/Caroline to utter perfection--they may be with only two episodes my favorite S/C writers--but they (like Melinda Hsu Taylor) have some glaring OOC moments that just make me go ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!)

(And who knows, maybe we'll get a nice morning-after in the next episode already?)

THAT would be loverly!
Florencia: DE (In Silence)florencia7 on February 9th, 2015 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: 2/2
"All Stefan doubts were gone. Damon's Stefan worries complete history now. "Resident Evil" took care of that, done kilt it dead." - But that was before Elena was, in a way, mentally back to the past. She doesn't remember if they've long been Stefan issue-free & since the subject of her being human was just brought up, she simply thought of that. I don't know. I just felt like it was a natural connection for her to make, considering Elena's state of mind & what she knows/remembers, it seemed fairly logical to mention Stefan. She made a mental connection between her current past-related issues & (for all she knows AND deduced) Damon's past-related issues. She compared both & expressed her conviction that they both should just move on. At least that's how this scene read to me ^^
Arabian: ATttD - Sorryarabian on February 10th, 2015 06:10 am (UTC)
Re: 2/2
But it isn't natural at all since everything she's heard and seen from everyone INCLUDING Damon is that Damon and Elena were totally in love. Elena read her thoughts to herself, Damon told her he literally went through time and space for her. Nothing that has been said between them about them bespeaks of a couple who had any misgivings about past boyfriends AT ALL. Not to mention the fact that Stefan himself was telling her how much she loved Damon, and she could see Damon and Stefan spending time together fine and dandy.

She remembers that she has no romantic love left at all for Stefan, and she's been told from everyone about Damon and her that they have this amazing, forever love. So thinking that there's something still there holding Damon back simply makes ZERO sense.
Florencia: DE (Kiss) (3x19)florencia7 on February 9th, 2015 06:39 pm (UTC)
Re: 2/2
"Then she should have said that. But she didn't. She said YOU, meaning DAMON. - She did say "you", but THE WAY in which she said it, it was clear she meant both of them. Her ~asking him to stop living in the past was her way of saying that SHE made up her mind once & for all that she wanted to stop living in the past. Let's not forget about Elena's denial tendencies. When in 3x19 she said "Stefan thinks that I have feelings for you" - was she really just talking about Stefan? She was talking about Stefan AND (more importantly) herself. She was just hiding behind a figure of speech. And that's why I maintain that these guys are really writing the characters well, but hey, it's fun to disagree every once in a while ;D
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on February 10th, 2015 06:15 am (UTC)
Re: 2/2
Then she should have said "I need to stop living in the past," because it wasn't clear to me or others I've talked to in this thread and in person. It came across absolutely (not just in Elena's line, but in Damon's response before and after the line) that DAMON was hung up on the past and that HE was the reason they were having relationship hiccups, and Elena was telling HIM to let go of the past. Not her. And, yeah, made zero sense.

There is no such figure of speech as the one you describe. No one says "you" when they mean "I" unless they are being a passive-aggressive shit, sarcastic or disingenuous. It's not a figure of speech.

I will say that this disagreement made me realize that kalishaka was right when she told me that how the Jeremy wanting Kai to send him back the final scene was open to interpretation. I was convinced since it was totally clear to me, that was it. But she was right, if it was interpreted so differently in such a vehement manner by different viewers then it was badly written. Sadly, another mark against these writers. There's are some scenes that should be open to interpretation, these types of scenes are not those. And these two writers have had a couple of doozies in both of their episodes.

Edited at 2015-02-10 06:16 am (UTC)
Florencia: Elenaflorencia7 on February 8th, 2015 08:37 pm (UTC)
part III
”Where they go from here, I don't know” - Well, I don't want to be disrespectful to Liv/Tyler storyline, but ALL I could think about when Tyler delivered his “you chose death over me” line was that Elena will have a chance to become human and SHE WILL CHOOSE DAMON OVER DEATH (= becoming human) But go ahead, feel free to convince me that the human!Elena storyline is not coming back ;) Because I don't want it at all :[ I just can't help thinking that's where they're going (and that would add additional sense to why the human subject popped out in the DE conversation so prominently again...).

”I've made no secret of the fact that I think Wood is fabulous and I love, love, love Kai.” - Me too! And BTW I find it hilarious that all the villains don't ship DE: Klaus, Silas, now Kai - who can't even *stand* them! lol Obviously, what the show's saying is that only sociopaths don't ship DE ;D

”When she woke up from her near-death adventures in her dorm, she had lovely eyelinered eyes, so I'm guessing that while waiting, Tyler got bored and was practicing his cosmetology skills?” - ROTFL

& The good news is, your beautiful gifs make up for the brevity of the DE love scene, because they make it last ♥ So thank you! ♥

MARVELOUS post! I love love looooooooooooooove reading your thoughts!!! :]

Edited at 2015-02-08 08:38 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon04arabian on February 9th, 2015 10:20 am (UTC)
Re: part III
Well, I don't want to be disrespectful to Liv/Tyler storyline, but ALL I could think about when Tyler delivered his “you chose death over me” line was that Elena will have a chance to become human and SHE WILL CHOOSE DAMON OVER DEATH (= becoming human) But go ahead, feel free to convince me that the human!Elena storyline is not coming back ;)

I've long said that I believe that human!Elena/human!Damon is endgame because of that scene in 4.13 (and Damon's 2.12 and Elena's continued 'I don't like being a vampire' refrain at the beginning of this season). I honestly think that deep down that's what will make them most happiest, living out full human lives together.

Because I don't want it at all :[ I just can't help thinking that's where they're going (and that would add additional sense to why the human subject popped out in the DE conversation so prominently again...).

But I don't think it's coming until closer to the end of their time on the show, so we won't see much of them human.

And BTW I find it hilarious that all the villains don't ship DE: Klaus, Silas, now Kai - who can't even *stand* them!

It's because their jealous to see such an obvious brilliant anti-hero who has been a villain get the girl.

lol Obviously, what the show's saying is that only sociopaths don't ship DE ;D

And this. ;D

& The good news is, your beautiful gifs make up for the brevity of the DE love scene, because they make it last ♥ So thank you! ♥

I try and you're welcome. :D

MARVELOUS post! I love love looooooooooooooove reading your thoughts!!! :]

And despite our disagreements on this one, I looooooooooooooooooooooooooooove getting your wonderful, amazing responses. You're the BESTEST!!!! MWAH!!

Edited at 2015-02-09 10:20 am (UTC)
jairem08jairem08 on February 9th, 2015 03:18 pm (UTC)
Thank you for your review - always.
I think I worry if you don't update like within a day or so - :)
But I really hope all will be ok with you and that there is nothing serious. We only have one body and need to look after it.

I think this episode was a lot about characters. I did enjoy all DE scenes. Loved the cupcake one. And basically all of them. I do get where you are coming from with Elena's living in the past sentence but I think I'm more relaxed about it. It is also because I haven't really had time to delve into the episode. Real life and all. It has been crazy.
Still couldn't' care much about Liv/Tyler - I know I keep repeating myself.
Didn't get much the situation with Jeremy - is he going to leave and not look back as Elena suggested? Does that mean that even when Bonnie is back he will have moved on? I didn't get that. Perhaps I missed something.
Still lost in Enzo/Matt/Sarah story but I read your comments here so perhaps something will happen that will get it going. Just hope this will not destroy Damon/Stefan relationship.
Will Caroline/Stefan finally kiss?
I also think that Elena's comment about her human not being here might lead to something. Her perhaps turning and I also think that could be the trigger for her memories to come back? She would change species again and break the magic. But really have no clue. I don't mind if there are human/Elena and human/Damon eventually. I'm not that set on them remaining vamps. As long as they are happy.
Kai remains hilarious and I actually enjoy him I think the actor is doing a great job.
Really curious what next.
Quite short one from me this time but really crazy on my side.
Again I really hope all will be ok with your health.
Arabian: Elena16arabian on February 10th, 2015 06:57 am (UTC)
I think I worry if you don't update like within a day or so - :)

Aww, thanks. :)

But I really hope all will be ok with you and that there is nothing serious. We only have one body and need to look after it.

Trying to figure it out, just major fatigue and some other issues. Good old blood tests are being run, fun.

I think this episode was a lot about characters. I did enjoy all DE scenes. Loved the cupcake one. And basically all of them. I do get where you are coming from with Elena's living in the past sentence but I think I'm more relaxed about it. It is also because I haven't really had time to delve into the episode. Real life and all. It has been crazy.

I think if you don't think too much about it, it's easier to just enjoy it, definitely because the scenes were overall really great--except for that one line.

Didn't get much the situation with Jeremy - is he going to leave and not look back as Elena suggested? Does that mean that even when Bonnie is back he will have moved on? I didn't get that. Perhaps I missed something.

You didn't. I know what's sorta going on, but I don't want to spoil you.

Still lost in Enzo/Matt/Sarah story but I read your comments here so perhaps something will happen that will get it going. Just hope this will not destroy Damon/Stefan relationship.

I don't think it will, Damon and Stefan have come too far. YAY for that!

Will Caroline/Stefan finally kiss?

I sure as heck hope so!

I also think that Elena's comment about her human not being here might lead to something.

I've long said that I believe that human!Elena/human!Damon is endgame because of that scene in 4.13 (and Damon's 2.12 and Elena's continued 'I don't like being a vampire' refrain at the beginning of this season). I honestly think that deep down that's what will make them most happiest, living out full human lives together. We'll see. This could just be another crumb dropped for that.

Her perhaps turning and I also think that could be the trigger for her memories to come back? She would change species again and break the magic.

I'm not sure how that would work. Hmm...

I don't mind if there are human/Elena and human/Damon eventually. I'm not that set on them remaining vamps. As long as they are happy.

Exactly how I feel.

Quite short one from me this time but really crazy on my side.

I get it, just glad to hear from you. :)

Again I really hope all will be ok with your health.

Thanks. :)
jairem08jairem08 on February 10th, 2015 03:59 pm (UTC)
Oh you have me now wonder about the Jeremy situation. Must I worry? Something you suspect or know? Spoiler? I know you don't follow them so I really wonder now.
Arabian: Jeremy03arabian on February 10th, 2015 11:24 pm (UTC)
I do know, not specifically what's going to happen on the show, but it's about the writing which you mentioned. It's not bad to Jeremy. I'm trying to be vague so as to not tell you-tell you if you don't want to know. Being on the internet, I was unable to not be spoiled on this one.