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30 January 2015 @ 08:38 am
6.12 - 'Prayer For The Dying' (The Vampire Diaries)  
Another Thursday and another Vampire Diaries, whee! As always, thoughts behind the cut.

Sticking with the "theme" theme, this time it's Love, Friendship, Death and Other Things." Catchy, I know. I loved this one. It was really, really good. And you know what? Damon and Elena K-I-S-S-E-D! WOOHOO, BABY!

Love

What I really liked about the Damon and Elena scenes is that other than the tail-end of their first scene and their last scene which were obviously about the romantic aspect of their relationship, everything else was about how good they are together as a team. They were completely in synch. Even something as simple as Elena running late, so Damon holds out the sandwich he brought so that she can take a bite. He describes his planned date night for her and even though her memories are still wiped, Elena knows him well enough now that she can just tell by his smile, by his body language that they've been on that date before. She knows him.

They're on the same wavelength. Plus, that whole interplay was fantastic because it was absolutely reminiscent of how they were prior to their romance when they started keeping things from each other to protect one another. They were both so open and honest. It was wonderful. Hopefully they keep that up this time around. And, and, and!! their cute smiles and copying each other words and inability to keep their eyes off of each other was heart-meltingly precious. As was Damon's a-dor-a-ble hand wave after she was gone. So. Cute.

 

And then afterwards and throughout the rest of the episode until that last scene what we saw was just this lovely, lovely teamwork. I've said often enough that one of the awesome things about Damon Salvatore is that he gets shit done. He's the plan maker and he brings those plans to execution. What was so great was how Elena was practically his partner-in-arms this time around. We didn't need to see Damon convince or even tell Elena about his plan to use Kai to siphon the magical vampire blood out of Liz, we just cut to Elena standing right by his side and when Jo came in all in her self-righteous (non)glory, Elena was all Damon can explain making it clear that she knew it, she was a part of it, she wasn't apologizing for it… but yeah, Damon could explain (because Jo *is* her teacher). But the bottom-line is that all throughout—other than Jo's (failed) plan to flush Caroline's blood out with human blood—from Damon's plan with Kai to Elena being there for Liz and using her as-she-goes-learning-doctoring skills, Damon and Elena were basically running the show and Elena was fully behind Damon's decisions. Score!

Oh, yeah, and then there was that last scene.

 

I liked that Damon told Elena that "FYI, this is exactly where we left off," and then we had the light playing over them so similar to the light playing over their kiss from "Home" which wasn't, OK, "exactly" where they left off but close enough. And it was where they left off in terms of where they stood in their relationship, so fair enough.

 

*sigh* I had hoped that when they kissed, that the kiss of true love would bring Elena's memories back. Well, they kissed. Her memories didn't come back. But hey, we didn't see Elena again after that scene so maybe they'll start filtering through and we'll see that in the next episode?

And if that doesn't happen, I'm still OK with it because this kiss made me realize why I'm totally cool with Elena still having memories of her love for Damon compelled away. We truly are getting Elena "re-falling" in love with Damon, as I've said before, without the Stefan baggage. It's just Damon and Elena without any messy triangle business getting in the way. It's just the two of them and their love story. tj2013 mentioned in the comments that she would have expected the sparks flying, uber-passionate kiss from Denver. Honestly, though, I didn't expect anything like that at all. Why? Because that one was so beyond passionate with Elena literally flying into his arms because she had spent months of desperately wanting this guy. There were literally months of build-up of tension and lust and love and longing for Damon, and well, it was the same for him. This time around, yeah, he wants to be with Elena, but he's been with her. He knows what's waiting for him and he knows they have forever, so he can be patient and not push her.

This Elena's feelings for him are there and she is in love with him and she feels the lust, but it's not like months of lava-hot burning built-up 'OH MY GOD! I MUST HAVE HIM!' That was what the burning flames of YOWZA! that Denver kiss was banked on. If she got her memories back, I'd expect that kind of kiss because it would be an Elena seeing Damon with the memory of 'OH MY GOD! I LOST HIM, HE'S BACK AND I ALMOST THREW IT AWAY!,' but this Elena without her memories? Nah. It's just an 'Oh, hot guy, I kinda, sorta am in love with and he's really, really hot, I'm gonna kiss him, let's see how it goes.' And that's totally fine because that's how a real first kiss should be. And remember their real first kiss (not the kissy-deathbed one), but the one on the porch? That kiss wasn't all that passionate. This was way more passionate because... dun dun dun! No Stefan in the way to muss things up. Now it's just a boy and a girl and the way they feel about each other.

Speaking of boys and girls and feelings… Stefan Salvatore and Caroline Forbes. Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah. So remember when Rose told Jeremy that Elena made Damon a better person? Well, Caroline makes Stefan a better person. Proof of that was in tonight's episode and I absolutely adored the scene that offered this proof. It is now one of my favorite Stefan and Caroline scenes, and absolutely one of my favorite Stefan scenes. I just loved it so much. I'm talking about the scene in the flower shop.

I talk a lot about how Stefan (and Elena) tend to bury their heads in the sand. That's their thing. With Damon, Elena doesn't do that even remotely as much. Because, as Rose said, he challenges her, he surprises her, gets her out of her comfort zone, and more with Elena because she's becoming an adult, she's growing up and with Damon, she's growing out of those old habits. Stefan, on the other hand, has not. We saw that clear as day over the summer when Damon "died."

The sad thing is that we saw, to a degree, Caroline do that as well and that's not Caroline. Caroline faces things head on with positivity and optimism and she deals with things, but because she had no one to turn to and thrust that control-freak can-do-it attitude at, she drowned herself in a hopeless task and all the efforts to bring Bonnie back—which was her task—failed, so she began to bury her head and stopped thinking about it.

So now she made a mistake, a huge one, and she's doing it again. She's shutting it down and burying her head so she doesn't have to deal. And Stefan Salvatore knows this method of "dealing" better than anyone, right? Now when he was with Elena, he enabled this behavior because it was easier for him. It allowed the both of them to tiptoe through the tulips, lalalala and pretend to be happy, normal teenagers where everything was OK… until the real, awful world came crashing down on them. And then he would blame Damon, and then he and Elena would resurrect another bubble of delusion where they could bury their heads. They just enabled each other. (So unhealthy.)

So you would think that Stefan seeing Caroline do this would go along with her. She needs this, it's keeping her spirits up, it's easier for her, it's what she wants, it will make her happy with me if I go along with what she wants and then I look like the good guy. This is what Stefan does. Right? I mean, it's what he did with Elena. He'd tell her to go and see her mom, but only if she wanted. And she might get upset with him and that wasn't allowed to happen, so he'd tell her to pick the right flowers. He'd tell her to do what she thinks that Liz would want her to do. And he'd hope that she'd make the right choice, knowing that she wouldn't blame him because he respected her choice.

But Stefan didn't do that Caroline. He opened up to her. He didn't make it about him even though he was talking about his loss. It felt like he was sharing; as if he was giving a part of himself to Caroline to make *her* feel better. It wasn't about making Stefan feel better because it kept his halo shiny, because clearly it was hard for him to tell her about this. You could see that. He was emotional, near tears. He could barely look her. Hell, he couldn't look at her. But he opened up because Caroline needed it, he did it FOR Caroline.

 

And that is showing us a Stefan who has been made better because of his love, yes, damnit, his love for her. And it's been so earned. They needed the journey of last season with their friendship re-asserting itself and then the pain of Stefan pulling away over the summer and him hurting her and then Caroline pulling away, him losing her to him having to prove himself because he realized how important she is to him.

Without all of that happening, we wouldn't see Stefan so willing to be so open with her. We wouldn't see Stefan so open to not burying emotions and feelings and loss. We wouldn't see Stefan understanding that in order to deal with life you have to actually *deal* with life and not just put up on a pedestal or keep it in a box. But he's getting that now because he loves Caroline and he wants to deal with life with her and for her. Because she deserves it. Especially after the parade of guys she's had to deal with in her past.

Ahem, Tyler.

I mentioned last week the back-burnering of Liv and Tyler's love story had rather lost me. Well, while I wouldn't say that I was all a'squee over them this time around, I certainly was in invest-mode and that's a good thing. And a happy thing for me because I genuinely was enjoying, well, enjoying Tyler. I don't want to wish death upon one of the main characters of the show and that's long (loooooong) been a constant refrain from me regarding my human-cockroach hybrid, Mr. Lockwood. However, the re-telling of his pre-werewolf tale and his love story with Liv has been refreshing for me and one I've found myself liking a lot so the lack of heart paid to was a bit of a bummer: Their first kiss glossed over, their becoming an actual couple and obviously their first time… all of it happened off-screen without any fanfare at all and I do find that disappointing and I expressed that disappointment in my last episode write-up.

However, with this episode, I found myself grinning during their opening scene all a'cuddle in bed. I mean, seriously, they just look adorable, all snuggly and precious!

 

Yes, yes, it highlighted a biggie of the glossed-over couple-dom making it clear that the show doesn't consider Tyler and Liv one of "the" couples, but hey not every couple is going to be one of "the" couples, so I get that. As long as we continue to get super-cute moments like that. I mean, non-existent hideaway post-coital discussion is cute, and Tyler's facial reactions to said suggestions was cute and fitting for Michael Trevino's caliber of acting talent. So yay!

And in addition, we get moments of sweetness like Tyler not giving enough of a flying fig newton about an unexpected knock at the door to give Liv a little kiss on the shoulder while she's clearly having one of her freak-out moments. (To be fair, he's used to freak-out moments from girlfriends.) Plus, we were also given tender moments like the one where Tyler wanted to join Liv and Luke for their father to help convince him to hold off on the merge. You could see in their interaction that both take this relationship seriously; they truly mean something real to one another. OK, that was a bit squeeful.

 

Finally we had the final batch of scenes where Tyler basically but all else on hold to save Liv which included letting Kai free. And that we'll get to in a bit. Firstly, we had him going after Papa Parker Douchebag as I not-so-affectionately call him and am I the only one who thought for a moment that Tyler had killed him and thus triggered he curse? Because that would have been a definite shocker and would have made the whole merge thing moot with him dead.

I did expect it what with Damon reminding Tyler that he was just a puny human and Luke talking about how healthy his dad was and that he wouldn't be dying soon. Still, did not happen. But Tyler sure tried. He was also determined to stand up to Papa Parker Douchebag and keep Liv by his side, doing his best to protect her. And right now, the two of them certainly seem in synch, when Luke took off and Tyler took Liv into his arms even as she watched her brother walk off, her arms instinctively wrapped around Tyler and in the long shot, their bodies were slightly swaying in rhythm together. Lastly when Papa Parker Douchebag left and Liv broke down, Tyler was there immediately catching her as she began to fall.

 

So, yes, I definitely recaptured my feels for them, but… going back to my earlier point above and expounding on one I made after the last episode: Is there something about the Parker women that we don't know? Or are we just supposed to be falling for these love stories of Tyler and Liv, and Alaric and Jo? Tyler was willing to let Kai who kidnapped Elena, tortured her a bit, stabbed Bonnie, left her in the prison world, killed his other family members and plans on killing others… and Tyler was more than willing to just go and get 'em to save Liv. Sure, Damon did the same thing to save Liz who was dying, but Damon had a plan that would involve something that had already been in the works for 22 years and in a day or less, the magic would drain from Kai, and boom! they'd get rid of him, it's done.

Yes, Damon's plan would have led to the merging of Liv into Luke, thus her death, but Tyler's plan would have led into the murder and death of lots and lots of people, including Liz. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. Hello! It's kinda the same thing that's been happening, Tyler (and Alaric) keep choosing the welfare and decision-making skills (?) of these Parker women over their friends who they've literally been in life-and-death situations with like a lot. It's just kinda hinky. I mean, again, maybe we're just supposed to be seeing that Liv and Jo are the ones for Tyler and Alaric (please don't be the case for Jo and Alaric because, yeah, still do not like her), but I don't know.

And maybe they're not even related. Perhaps Alaric's issues are a whole different kettle of fish.

Friendship

So we may not have had Alaric in this episode, but we once again got reference to the fact that Damon is the guilty one in their friendship. When Damon arrived upon the post-merge scene and saw Jo still alive, he commented: "Good, you're still alive. That's gonna save me a huge blow-out with Ric when he gets back."

It's not on Damon if Jo is alive or dead. It's on Jo. Kai should be dead already because she's the one who decided that Ric shouldn't kill Kai when they had the means and opportunity. They've been keeping him around and alive because of Jo. Damon did what he had to do to save Liz. Why is Jo or one of the Parker twins more important than Liz? Why? What makes them more important? Or Bonnie? Why are they more important than Bonnie Freaking Bennett? And what gives Ric the right to treat Damon like he did something wrong by dying to bring his brother and others, including Ric, back from the dead, die himself, and then get a wee bit upset because his best friend compelled his girlfriend's memories away of loving him? It's just not cool.

And yet that is how this is playing out. But I get it from Damon's end. As much as Damon has grown, and as much self-worth as he has now (which is awesome), he still does tend to lay the blame on himself in nasty situations. So if there's a fight going on and he's involved, he's going to automatically assume that he screwed up somehow, someway, he's gonna buy that he's at fault. I get that. It is completely in character.

And right now there are only two people who would believably be team!Damon and see that maybe, just maybe, Damon is not the one at fault here. Bonnie… who is locked away in a prison world in 1994, and Elena… who has the hots for Damon, yes, but has her memories compelled away of all of the good Damon times, but does remember all of her history with Ric. So she's going to side with Ric, again sadly, even while she's sympathetic to Damon. Yeah.

That brings us to Ric. What the hell, Ric? And I started thinking. Yeah, what the hell, Ric? What if Tyler's 'hey, let's ignore all my friends to save my girl' is really just about the girl because, well, it's Tyler. He picks a team and pretty much screws everyone else once he's picked that team. That's Tyler. So what if with Ric it's not about a Parker girl, but rather because, well, he died and he was on the Other Side for a year (or however long it was in Vampire Diaries time) which could have felt however long to him.

I mean, maybe it messed with him in ways that we don't quite know that haven't been explored yet. And, after all, Damon technically killed his body, and the last few months he was alive, he was hating on Damon pretty hard because of Esther so there could be aftereffects. (Which florencia7 did speculate was possible.) Just think about it, Ric's been a pretty damn crappy-ass friend to Damon and he died and Damon was a big part of why he died… maybe there is something to it that perhaps Ric doesn't even realize.

Death

Speaking of death… aha! The show finally opened the door for me to discuss my long-believed pet theory about Damon and Stefan's mother. Yes! When Stefan said that his father sent their mother away before she died, I about flipped my lid, I couldn't believe it. You see, I've always believed that Damon and Stefan's mother did not have die of an illness (consumption we now *presumably* know), but that she was turned into a vampire! and Giuseppe was so horrified that he sent her away, making her promise to never return to Mystic Falls again. So, their mother is out there in some far-off, hidden place with no clue that her sons are both vampires… and she will eventually make her return. I mean, right?! RIGHT!?! As soon as he said that their father sent her away, tell me I'm not the only one who thought, aha! Mama Salvatore is totes a vampire!!!

Oh, and speaking of vampires and death. I do believe I've figured out the whole vampire blood and why it doesn't cure cancer, and I think it makes sense actually. Cancer is first seemingly healed by vampire blood (see Colin) as in it puts it in remission and then the cancer cells which were in remission are then made stronger because vampire blood can't distinguish between good and bad cells, thus it replicates them, making them bigger and stronger, so, of course the cancer just keeps getting worse and kills the patient, but the vampire blood brings the person back to life because they're having blood transfusions, and the vampire blood just keeps making the cancer cells bigger and stronger, and I imagine the tumors and such would eventually kill the person in extreme agony, squeezing their heart, etc.

Alas, this means that Liz still has cancer and I don't know that just killing her by other means and turning her would work because then wouldn't the vampire blood go to work on her cancer cells? Probably. Damnit, we're going to lose Liz aren't we? Damnit.

Then Kai removed the vampire blood (i.e., the magic) so it was no longer in there replicating, healing cancer cells making THEM stronger. So now Liz is basically in super-remission with the cancer pretty much wiped out by the vampire blood because it wasn't able to stick around and strengthen the cancer cells as well. That makes sense right? For someone who has the vampire blood still in there system for the 24 hours, the cancer cells would come back and start replicating thus making the cancer come back super-quick, stronger, faster and worse. Makes sense, right?

AND OTHER THINGS

- Aww, Caroline calls Stefan when bad things happen (like her calling him when Colin showed up). He's her go-to guy like Damon is for Elena. Double aww.

- Ah well, the new daylight ring wasn't given to her by Damon, but that's OK. As long as it's a new one that wasn't given to her by Stefan, I'm good. Plus, there's always the chance it will fail...since you know Jo made it. (Pfft!) And when Bonnie comes back (because she will!), she'll make a new one and she'll make sure that Damon gives it to Elena. :)

And to add more thought to this (brought about by discussion below with florencia7), even if we don't get another ring, it's OK because it's still a big deal because the ring from STEFAN is gone. The final romantic link between her and Stefan is gone. Woohoo! That's freaking big. But, I really do think it's quite, quite possible that Elena's going to be getting herself yet another daylight ring. Why?

Well, because they made a quite pronounced point of having Elena let Kai know that didn't want her ring destroyed and Kai didn't ignore that fear of hers, even commenting on his lack of understanding about such sentimentality. But, but, but... remember, he can siphon magic from anyone and anything. And because of that little ring-melting moment and Elena's reaction, he would knows that it's pretty important and (this is key!) that Elena was able to set herself on fire after losing that ring.

So, when he notes--which he likely will--that all of a sudden she has another ring... oh, yeah, and Damon, Stefan and Caroline all have rings, he'll start thinking. And Kai will figure out the point of those rings. So whaddya want to bet that at some point, Kai's gonna siphon the magic from that ring and Elena will need yet another one? Uh huh. And, Bonnie WILL be coming back. So Bonnie will make Elena another ring and (because Bonnie ships Damon and Elena) she'll give it to Damon to give to Elena. I bet.

- Elena is actually berating Stefan over a stupid decision. Halleluja! From an Elena-fangirl-point this is a major positive! YES! She's seeing him without a filter, but just as, you know, a guy, not this halo'd white knight of shining perfection.

- Damon verbalizing how important Liz is to him, my heart!

- It's been a while since we've see some Damon heart-rippage.

- Damon, don't be mean to Caroline! I know he's upset about Liz, but Caroline's in way more pain than him right now!

- So, first we had Stefan joking with Caroline about being a control-freak. He laughed about it, but it wasn't like a plus. Then later he admitted to Elena that he liked Caroline's control-freak-ness, and now he won't let Caroline call herself that, instead he says it's not her being a control freak, but just that she's an optimist and it's what is needed. Dude, loves her so much. ♥ ♥ ♥

- I liked the fact that we had Elena interacting with Liz partially because it was a bit awkward. I know that seems odd, but bear with me. Elena has known Liz all of her life, but Liz is still "Sheriff Forbes" to her, her friend's mom despite all of the crazy that Liz has been dragged into. And she's still a connection to Elena's old life as a parental unit and thus her parents. So when we see Elena with Liz, we get a glimpse of the pre-supernatual Elena, just the girl dealing with her best friend's mom, so badly lying to her and dealing awkwardly with an adult situation beyond her control. It felt so much like real life. And then there was the poignancy of knowing that somewhere inside of Elena, knowingly or not, there had to be the feeling that she was having the chance to spend some final moments with a mother figure as Liz is the mother of one of three girls who are like sisters (Elena, Caroline and Bonnie)... a chance that Elena never had with her own mother knowing her death was at hand.

- "I could kiss you right now, you beautiful moron." Oh, Damon, you have such a way with words.

- Erm, uhm, Damon would leave Elena then, really? He's been waiting this long to get her in his arms and he takes off then? Really? OK, fine, I guess since they were kinda dealing with everything, Elena sent him off to check things out after they finished sucking face for a bit.

- My main problem with the whole twin-merge story is that Kai (aka Chris Wood) just does not look 22 to me. He looks mid-20's, even kinda late-ish 20's. Not 22, not at all.

- Oh, Damon! Saying that he compelled the doctor to save Liz. My bb!

- Man, Liz packing up Caroline's baby stuff to leave her life made me choke up. So well-done.

- So was it the shock of seeing Caroline's bloody vampire face that brought Liz back? I'm thinking so. Ooh, ooh, ooh! ghidorah15 had a fabulous point and I think he (and his buddy) are totally right. He wrote: "When Liz was about to die and had that vision of Caroline vamped out, her mouth dripping with blood, my buddy figured that she realized what her daughter could become without her. The grief could very well drive her into shutting off her humanity and becoming a ruthless monster. So she fought her way back in order to give Caroline more time to come to terms with her impending death, to prevent such a catastrophe." Added to that, I'd also say that the guilt of feeding her mom her vampire blood would have really pushed her into shutting off her switch. So, yeah, good call.

- I liked the little bit of Damon touching Stefan's shoulder before he left Liz's room. A reminder that they're brothers, Stefan had just lost him, but telling Stefan that he's still here, he did come back. So small, but so beautiful.

- I knew Kai was going to win because, duh, Chris Wood/Kai, but aww, Luke. Damnit, I've liked him tons from his very first appearance. Chris Borchu you will be missed (even if your latest hairstyle will not).

- Oh man, Liz asking Stefan to be there for Caroline, to make her smile, all the feels!

- Dude, Jo, whatever! Liz over Luke, sorry. Pfft. Why does she think that the Parker family is more important than everybody in the history of ever? I still don't like Jo.

- Kai is turning into a great deus ex machina, isn't he? Get rid of the spell covering Mystic Falls? Call Kai. Get rid of the magical vampire blood running through Liz? Hey, Kai can siphon that right on out!

- Two episodes without Bon-bon? Not cool!

- Ian Somerhalder = Hawt! Seriously, yum!

And that's all she wrote. Great episode. Great, great episode. The much better direction helped tremendously, and no OOC moments were loverly as well. Oh, yeah, and this happened!

 

SQUEE!
 
 
 
tj2013tj2013 on January 30th, 2015 04:33 pm (UTC)
Great post, great points, as always. How do you do that so quickly? Esp with the gifs (which are wonderful, BTW). I am sure you are working on vamp speed somehow... LOL.

Just a few things I would like to add:

Papa Paker said the the winning twin would suck up also personality traits from the dying twin. So will Kai get the morality which was part of Luke's personality? Maybe he will get kinda bipolar? In any case some of Luke's traits will shake up Kai, that's for sure...

The DE-Kiss: I expected their first kiss to be like their kiss in Denver, you know? Sparks flying and everything. This kiss was sweet and you couldn't see much due to the lighting... oh well. I still liked it, it just felt a bit "on hold" with all the things about Liz going on. Loved the callback to "Home", but I am seriously waiting for a more passionate reunion.

Was anyone really surprised that Kai won? I always expected him to. Ok, they told us Luke was stronger than Liv, but as sad as it is to lose Luke, I never expected him or Jo (ha!) to win against Kai. No way.

Yeah, I guess seeing Caroline all bloody made Liz realize she couldn't leave her daughter yet.

I didn't think that Mama Salvatore was a vampire right away, to be honest. Yes, there was something weird about her death, that's for sure. But a vampire? Hm... somehow I expect her to be a witch. (Not a spoiler, just me thinking aloud).

Bonnie needs to come back ASAP. I miss her so much.
Arabian: Damon04arabian on January 30th, 2015 11:41 pm (UTC)
How do you do that so quickly? Esp with the gifs

I work the overnight shift and Thursday is my first night off so I just stay up overnight and, yeah, I have all night to do it. :)

Papa Paker said the the winning twin would suck up also personality traits from the dying twin. So will Kai get the morality which was part of Luke's personality? Maybe he will get kinda bipolar? In any case some of Luke's traits will shake up Kai, that's for sure...

Hmmm, very, very good point. I do wonder if we will see that. Because they certainly did highlight those Luke points A LOT in the last few episodes didn't they?

The DE-Kiss: I expected their first kiss to be like their kiss in Denver, you know?

Erm, no. Why would it be?

Sparks flying and everything.

Really, why would it be like that? That one was that way because Elena had literally months of built-up tension and lust and love and longing for this guy and same for Damon. Damon, yes, wants to be with Elena, but he's had her. He knows what's waiting for him and he knows they have forever, so he can be patient and not push her. This Elena's feelings for him are there and she is in love with him and she feels the lust, but it's not like months of lava-hot burning built-up OH MY GOD! I MUST HAVE HIM! That was what the Denver kiss was built on. If she got her memories back, I'd expect that kind of kiss because it would be an Elena seeing Damon with the memory of OH MY GOD! I LOST HIM, HE'S BACK AND I ALMOST THREW IT AWAY!, but this Elena without her memories? Nah. It's just a-oh, hot guy, I kinda, sorta am in love with and he's really, really hot, I'm gonna kiss him.

This kiss was sweet and you couldn't see much due to the lighting... oh well. I still liked it

Uh, yeah!




Uh huh!

it just felt a bit "on hold" with all the things about Liz going on.

And that made sense, I thought. We're getting the building stage with Elena re-falling in love with Damon and a "first" kiss is going to be more like this than the Denver kiss.

Loved the callback to "Home", but I am seriously waiting for a more passionate reunion.

It will come. It will. Remember their real first kiss (not the kissy-deathbed one), but on the porch? That wasn't passionate. This was way more passionate than that though because... dun dun dun! No Stefan in the way to muss things up. Now it's just a boy and a girl and the way they feel about each other.

Was anyone really surprised that Kai won?

Hah! No.

I always expected him to. Ok, they told us Luke was stronger than Liv, but as sad as it is to lose Luke, I never expected him or Jo (ha!) to win against Kai. No way.

Exactly.

Yeah, I guess seeing Caroline all bloody made Liz realize she couldn't leave her daughter yet.

ghidorah15 had a great point below that Liz realized without her right now that her grief (and with her guilt weighing on her--I added that part) Caroline would shut her humanity off and become *that* kind of vampire.

I didn't think that Mama Salvatore was a vampire right away, to be honest. Yes, there was something weird about her death, that's for sure. But a vampire? Hm... somehow I expect her to be a witch. (Not a spoiler, just me thinking aloud).

But a witch wouldn't die or be killed, Papa Salvatore would kill a vampire.

Bonnie needs to come back ASAP. I miss her so much.

I know! And the preview for next week, how much did you love that in her little video thingie, she says DAMON and Elena's name?!?!? SQUEE!!

ETA: Thank you, by the way! I added all the stuff about the kiss, why it wasn't passionate, compelled memories, no Stefan, etc. to the post. Man, I love my flist. You guys are awesome and make me think even more about the show and why I love it so much.

Edited at 2015-01-31 02:31 am (UTC)
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Mattghidorah15 on January 30th, 2015 06:04 pm (UTC)
...yeah, I got nuthin'. You covered everything very well.

Okay, maybe one thing to add: When Liz was about to die and had that vision of Caroline vamped out, her mouth dripping with blood, my buddy figured that she realized what her daughter could become without her. The grief could very well drive her into shutting off her humanity and becoming a ruthless monster. So she fought her way back in order to give Caroline more time to come to terms with her impending death, to prevent such a catastrophe. *shrug* Makes sense to me.

And please, writers, give Elena back her true, uncompelled memories already!
Arabian: Damon & Elena08arabian on January 30th, 2015 11:46 pm (UTC)
Ooh, that's a REALLY great point. I think your buddy is totally right. Plus, of course, her guilt would add to that. I'm totes adding this to my post. I knew someone on my flist would figure it out.

As for Elena's uncompelled memories, I'm really OK with it right now because of what we're getting. We're getting Elena falling for Damon all over again and all of these firsts without Stefan as part of the mix. For instance, I didn't even realize part of the significance of the kiss until responding to tj2013 above about the lack of sparks flying, wild passion in their kiss above. Because remember their real first kiss (not the kissy-deathbed one), but on the porch? That wasn't passionate? This was way more passionate than that though because... dun dun dun! No Stefan in the way to muss things up. Now it's just a boy and a girl and the way they feel about each other.

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Alisha: DC Joey/Pacey Comfortkalishaka on January 31st, 2015 02:12 am (UTC)
My internet is being the worst and refusing to load pages in any manner that makes sense. So I will hopefully come back and read and give epic thoughts later.

Major thing about this episode I don't want to forget to talk about is the whole 'they aren't really gone' issue with the twin merge. Like the idea of Kai the complete sociopath who gleefully attempted to murder his entire family merged with Luke who sacrificed himself for his entire family....I look forward to where this goes.

Ugh! I really wish my internet would load things right.
Arabian: Stefan02arabian on January 31st, 2015 02:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, tj2013 mentioned that as well and they certainly made a big point of that at dinner even though it was something we already knew, so I definitely think that we will see follow-through with that. I am most interested in seeing what will happen with our lovely Kai. Although, this very well may be the show's way of salvaging Kai and keeping Chris Wood on the show. We'll see. If it happens, I can't say I won't be disappointed because I really like the fact that Kai is truly just evil, but I can't say it's a cheat either. So I don't know.
Florencia: TVD (All Is Well in Mystic Falls)florencia7 on January 31st, 2015 02:21 am (UTC)
part I
I loved this episode too! ♥

”everything else was about how good they are together as a team. They were completely in synch.” - Yes, it was so wonderfully shown throughout, I loved it.

”What was so great was how Elena was practically his partner-in-arms this time around. We didn't need to see Damon convince or even tell Elena about his plan” - YES! I half-expected something like that, but it never happened and it was great.

”But hey, we didn't see Elena again after that scene so maybe they'll start filtering through and we'll see that in the next episode? I can dream, damnit!” - I'm going to dream with you! I'd so love if the next episode started with a really beautiful DE scene and then CUT to Elena waking up and then the title card ^^ It'd be nice if now memories started coming back to her in dreams. On the other hand, it's kind of exciting that now it's hard to imagine the way in which her memories come back. We know they will, but the show *seems* to have ruled out all the options, so I guess we're down to either magic or … I don't know, maybe Damon's life hanging in the balance again and the fear that would come over Elena at the possibility (memory!) of losing him would bring back the grief and everything else she's forgotten?

”And Stefan Salvatore knows this method of "dealing" better than anyone, right?” - It's all coming together so beautifully.

”He opened up to her. He didn't make it about him even though he was talking about his loss. It felt like he was sharing; as if he was giving a part of himself to Caroline to make *her* feel better.” - YES! That's totally how it felt to me too. So wonderful.

”As long as we continue to get super-cute moments like that. I mean, non-existent hideaway post-coital discussion is cute, and Tyler's facial reactions to said suggestions was cute and fitting for Michael Trevino's caliber of acting talent.” - hahaha That's a lovely sentence ;D

”and am I the only one who thought for a moment that Tyler had killed him and thus triggered he curse? Because that would have been a definite shocker and would have made the whole merge thing moot with him dead. ” - Ohhhh Good idea! That would've been surprising! Tyler triggering the curse actually didn't even cross my mind, though, but maybe because I have a feeling there's more to Papa Parker than meets the eye, so I didn't expect him to die so easily/soon ;)

” I mean, again, maybe we're just supposed to be seeing that Liv and Jo are the ones for Tyler and Alaric” - This is a very interesting and tempting thought that maybe there *is* some mystery to Tyler and Alaric going a little over the top with putting Liv and Jo first in front of every single person they know. But what could it be? I can't think of a good explanation here.

” As much as Damon has grown, and as much self-worth as he has now (which is awesome), he still does tend to lay the blame on himself in nasty situations.” - I wonder if it may be the last puzzle piece that we're missing, so to speak? Like maybe rebuilding the relationship with Alaric is going to put a stop to that tendency? Or maybe I'm grasping at straws here lol See, I REALLY want to get over being upset with Ric, but he's not making it any easier for me ;) Let's imagine for a second that he was included in the episode. He would've been a nuisance all day through! Lol And that's saying something. Some of my favorite Alaric moments were when Damon/Alaric were working as a team and now Ric's logic became so Jo-focused that it makes ANY teamwork almost impossible.

“So, their mother is out there in some far-off, hidden place with no clue that her sons are both vampires… and she will eventually make her return. I mean, right?! RIGHT!?!” - Ohhhhhhhhhh I love love love this idea!!!!!!! :D How awesome that would be?!?!!? I really really really hope you're right!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arabian: Damon&Alaric02arabian on February 1st, 2015 10:55 am (UTC)
Re: part I
I'm going to dream with you! I'd so love if the next episode started with a really beautiful DE scene and then CUT to Elena waking up and then the title card ^^ It'd be nice if now memories started coming back to her in dreams.

Yeah, that would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

On the other hand, it's kind of exciting that now it's hard to imagine the way in which her memories come back. We know they will, but the show *seems* to have ruled out all the options, so I guess we're down to either magic or … I don't know, maybe Damon's life hanging in the balance again and the fear that would come over Elena at the possibility (memory!) of losing him would bring back the grief and everything else she's forgotten?

That's what I'm thinking, or that something about their time together Elena will have to remember and his life will depend on it? I dunno. Something is going to have to trigger it, though, totally.

”And Stefan Salvatore knows this method of "dealing" better than anyone, right?” - It's all coming together so beautifully.

Lordy, isn't it?!

”He opened up to her. He didn't make it about him even though he was talking about his loss. It felt like he was sharing; as if he was giving a part of himself to Caroline to make *her* feel better.” - YES! That's totally how it felt to me too. So wonderful.

RIGHT!??!?! Oh, my heart!

” I mean, again, maybe we're just supposed to be seeing that Liv and Jo are the ones for Tyler and Alaric” - This is a very interesting and tempting thought that maybe there *is* some mystery to Tyler and Alaric going a little over the top with putting Liv and Jo first in front of every single person they know. But what could it be? I can't think of a good explanation here.

I don't know, but I've been noticing it for a few episodes now. It may be absolutely nothing, but damn, both Tyler and Alaric sure seem hell-bent on sacrificing everyone they love for these two Parker women. Or it could be Tyler/Liv are a couple we're supposed to root for and Ric has his "death" issues... but then why skip over so many "key" couple moments with both couples? I dunno. We'll see.

I wonder if it may be the last puzzle piece that we're missing, so to speak? Like maybe rebuilding the relationship with Alaric is going to put a stop to that tendency?

Maybe.

I REALLY want to get over being upset with Ric

Well, you know I'm still not upset with him for anything from the beginning of the season. I totally get why he did it completely. I'm just bothered by the stuff in episode 09 and 10 mostly (since you know he acted like all was forgiven in 11).

Some of my favorite Alaric moments were when Damon/Alaric were working as a team and now Ric's logic became so Jo-focused that it makes ANY teamwork almost impossible.

Yup, yup. I just don't get this Jo-obsession. There's got to be something there. Right? Or it is being on the Other Side-related. Hmmm...

Ohhhhhhhhhh I love love love this idea!!!!!!! :D How awesome that would be?!?!!? I really really really hope you're right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hinted at it in my fic "Damon's Song," and I'm sure I've mentioned it before. I've had this theory since season 01, damnit! I've looooong thought this possible!
Florencia: DE (Just Happy to See You)florencia7 on January 31st, 2015 02:22 am (UTC)
part II + ;)
“Oh well, the new daylight ring wasn't given to her by Damon, but that's OK. As long as it's a new one that wasn't given to her by Stefan, I'm good.” - Yeah, I guess there's that. The ring from Stefan is gone, but STILL. That was a real bummer. Why make such a big deal of Elena losing her daylight ring (or why have Kai even melt it in the first place???) at all if the only follow-up we got was for a new ring to be made & given to Elena off screen AND by Jo??? *sigh*

“Damon verbalizing how important Liz is to him, my heart!” - ♥ ♥ ♥

“Erm, uhm, Damon would leave Elena then, really? He's been waiting this long to get her in his arms and he takes off then? Really?” - lol My sentiments exactly!

“So was it the shock of seeing Caroline's bloody vampire face that brought Liz back? I'm thinking so.” - It seems so.

“A reminder that they're brothers, Stefan had just lost him, but telling Stefan that he's still here, he did come back. So small, but so beautiful.” - That was a lovely moment, I love such details.

It was a fantastic episodes and reading you wonderful thoughts was also FANTASTIC!!! ♥

EDIT:
"The grief could very well drive her into shutting off her humanity and becoming a ruthless monster." - That is a great point indeed! It does make sense that the realization that Caroline's not ready to let go of her AND survive it was what ~stopped Liz from dying.

"Honestly, though, I didn't expect anything like that at all." - I didn't expect such a kiss either, at least not under the circumstances. IF their first kiss this season had happened AFTER Elena would've gotten her memories back then sure. And you're right that this kiss was more passionate than the 3x10 one anyway and that's pretty significant and awesome anyway! :)

Edited at 2015-01-31 01:04 pm (UTC)
Arabian: Damon & Elena48arabian on February 1st, 2015 11:07 am (UTC)
Re: part II + ;)
Yeah, I guess there's that. The ring from Stefan is gone, but STILL. That was a real bummer. Why make such a big deal of Elena losing her daylight ring (or why have Kai even melt it in the first place???) at all if the only follow-up we got was for a new ring to be made & given to Elena off screen AND by Jo??? *sigh*

Well, the big deal is (a) the ring from STEFAN is gone. That's the big deal. The final romantic link between her and Stefan is gone. That's freaking big. And (b) Damon comments with worry about the fact that Jo made the ring and so it might not work, the first time we see Jo, her magic is not working so the magic on her ring *may* wear off. Or, more likely, (c) remember, Kai can siphon magic from someone and knows that the ring is pretty important and that Elena was able to set herself on fire after losing that ring, and all of a sudden has another ring... as does Damon, Stefan and Caroline. Whaddya want to bet that at some point, Kai's gonna siphon the magic from that ring? Bonnie's coming back. Bonnie's gonna make Elena another ring and Damon will give it to her. I bet. (And I'm adding this to my post.)

“Erm, uhm, Damon would leave Elena then, really? He's been waiting this long to get her in his arms and he takes off then? Really?” - lol My sentiments exactly!

I was thinking about this and realized taking into account what I said to tj2013, for Elena, Damon is just a new boyfriend who she has a tumultuous history with, so while Damon would want to take things further and go to crazy sexytown with her... Elena probably did pull back and sent him to go check on Jo. That actually does make perfect sense.
Alisha: Dr. Who (Rose) Pink and Yellow Gleekalishaka on January 31st, 2015 03:52 am (UTC)
Part One - Because I know I wrote too much
They were completely in synch. Even something as simple as Elena running late, so Damon holds out the sandwich he brought so that she can take a bite. He describes his planned date night for her and even though her memories are still wiped, Elena knows him well enough now that she can just tell by his smile, by his body language that they've been on that date before. She knows him.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Like honestly I think I enjoyed this more than the kiss! Like it was just so them and what I love most about their relationship. The real, working relationship moments.

*sigh* I had hoped that when they kissed, that the kiss of true love would bring Elena's memories back. Well, they kissed. Her memories didn't come back. But hey, we didn't see Elena again after that scene so maybe they'll start filtering through and we'll see that in the next episode?

I was so secretly hoping for this too. Even when I know I would have sort of hated it because Disney fairytale love....but I also wanted it because Disney fairytale love.

Speaking of boys and girls and feelings… Stefan Salvatore and Caroline Forbes. Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah. So remember when Rose told Jeremy that Elena made Damon a better person? Well, Caroline makes Stefan a better person. Proof of that was in tonight's episode and I absolutely adored the scene that offered this proof. It is now one of my favorite Stefan and Caroline scenes, and absolutely one of my favorite Stefan scenes. I just loved it so much. I'm talking about the scene in the flower shop.


UGH! I DO NOT HAVE WORDS! THERE ARE NO WORDS! I cannot even explain how that scene made me feel. How everything Stefan does for Caroline makes me feel. The way he has committed to the idea of not running from her but running to her. The way he defends her to herself, to other people. How he refuses to take the blame Elena's grief throws at him. He doesn't have time for this and neither does Caroline. STEFAN! LOVES! HER! SO! MUCH! He is always just so real with her. He explains himself. He lets her see the good, the bad, the dark, the shameful. He just tells her, because she needs to hear it even if he doesn't want to say it. I have wanted them for so long, because this is the very potential I saw in them, and the fact the show is delivering....too much. Also....every time they touch hands. Nope. Nope. Hand touching is almost more to me than a kiss would be. (Not really, but almost.)

I mentioned last week the back-burnering of Liv and Tyler's love story had rather lost me. Well, while I wouldn't say that I was all a'squee over them this time around, I certainly was in invest-mode and that's a good thing. And a happy thing for me because I genuinely was enjoying, well, enjoying Tyler. I don't want to wish death upon one of the main characters of the show and that's long been a constant refrain from me regarding my human-cockroach hybrid, Mr. Lockwood. However, the re-telling of his pre-werewolf tale and his love story with Liv has been refreshing for me and one I've found myself liking a lot so the lack of heart paid to was a bit of a bummer: Their first kiss glossed over, their becoming an actual couple and obviously their first time… all of it happened off-screen without any fanfare at all and I do find that disappointing and I expressed that disappointment in my last episode write-up.

However, with this episode, I found myself grinning during their opening scene all a'cuddle in bed. I mean, seriously, they just look adorable, all snuggly and precious!


Exactly! All of this! Every bit of this and everything that followed. Like I really enjoy enjoying Tyler. It's so weird and strange. And I really love Tyler and Liv together, it's basically my connection to caring about the Gemini Coven by proxy. (Excluding Kai....I mean I care about it because of Kai...but not in a good way.) But Jo literally just still isn't working for me. I appreciate her Alaric-less and interacting with her siblings. I liked her this episode, but if this storyline was just banking on me liking Jo more than Kai...they would lose. So thus, Liv and Tyler and my love for them and how it is essential to this story. (I might just say this because I want more Liv and Tyler....no apologies!)


Edited at 2015-01-31 03:54 am (UTC)
Arabian: Stefan & Caroline10arabian on February 1st, 2015 11:33 am (UTC)
Re: Part One - Because I know I wrote too much
Yes! Yes! Yes! Like honestly I think I enjoyed this more than the kiss! Like it was just so them and what I love most about their relationship. The real, working relationship moments.

Seriously, that sandwich hold-out/bite was like the most awesome, coupl-y thing ever. I loved it so much. And really just so much about that whole scene. But really the sandwich bite. So. A. Couple. So natural and real and just yeah.

I was so secretly hoping for this too. Even when I know I would have sort of hated it because Disney fairytale love....but I also wanted it because Disney fairytale love.

Except it's not anymore which is why I was hoping for it now. The whole true love's kiss thing has been subverted to be about anything *but* romantic love. It's about mother/son, siblings, mother/daughter, etc. So going back to true love's kiss being a romantic trope would have been going back to a classic that's been disregarded in recent years.

RE: Stefan/Caroline -- UGH! I DO NOT HAVE WORDS! THERE ARE NO WORDS! I cannot even explain how that scene made me feel. How everything Stefan does for Caroline makes me feel. The way he has committed to the idea of not running from her but running to her.

YES! YES! YES! SO VERY HARD! YES! YES! YES!

How he refuses to take the blame Elena's grief throws at him.

I meant to mention that and forgot. Elena actually looked at a decision Stefan made without rose-colored glasses and found something negative there. Halleluja! Whether you agree or not about Stefan's decision, that from an Elena-fangirl-point is a major positive! YES! She's seeing him without a filter, but just as, you know, a guy, not this halo'd white knight of shining perfection.

STEFAN! LOVES! HER! SO! MUCH!

Amen.

He explains himself.

But he DOES NOT white-wash himself (as he did with Elena).

He lets her see the good, the bad, the dark, the shameful. He just tells her, because she needs to hear it even if he doesn't want to say it.

Yup, yup, yup!

I have wanted them for so long, because this is the very potential I saw in them, and the fact the show is delivering....too much. Also....every time they touch hands. Nope. Nope. Hand touching is almost more to me than a kiss would be. (Not really, but almost.)

Yup, yup, yup!


RE: Liv/Tyler -- Exactly! All of this! Every bit of this and everything that followed. Like I really enjoy enjoying Tyler. It's so weird and strange. And I really love Tyler and Liv together, it's basically my connection to caring about the Gemini Coven by proxy.

Yes to Liv/Tyler (my Arwen!), and you know, I never thought of it that way, but that's kinda true. But I rather think more of Kai and Luke (LUKE!! WAH!!) as my connection to the Gemini Coven and Liv/Tyler as just this adorable little cuddle-bunny of a couple.

But Jo literally just still isn't working for me.

Yup.

I appreciate her Alaric-less and interacting with her siblings.

Eh. I like the concept of her, but the execution i.e., the actress, is not working. And her continued bitchiness to Damon (especially after how sweet he was to her in the last episode makes me want to slap her!).

I liked her this episode

Nope.

but if this storyline was just banking on me liking Jo more than Kai...they would lose.

Big time.

(I might just say this because I want more Liv and Tyler....no apologies!)

Works for me! :D
Alisha: Dr. Who (Rose) Pink and Yellow Gleekalishaka on January 31st, 2015 03:53 am (UTC)
Part Two - I did! I did write too much!
He wrote: "When Liz was about to die and had that vision of Caroline vamped out, her mouth dripping with blood, my buddy figured that she realized what her daughter could become without her. The grief could very well drive her into shutting off her humanity and becoming a ruthless monster. So she fought her way back in order to give Caroline more time to come to terms with her impending death, to prevent such a catastrophe." Added to that, I'd also say that the guilt of feeding her mom her vampire blood would have really pushed her into shutting off her switch. So, yeah, good call.

That is exactly how I read that scene too! It was really beautifully done and told so much with so little. Ugh, I love when scenes like that get done so well in the visual medium. Like seriously, it's probably one of my favorite moments this show has ever done, and possibly one of my favorite filmed television moments in a long long time.

I liked the little bit of Damon touching Stefan's shoulder before he left Liz's room. A reminder that they're brothers, Stefan had just lost him, but telling Stefan that he's still here, he did come back. So small, but so beautiful.

Yes! That was so wonderful! And maybe it was scripted, though, the lack of focus on it, how casual it happened, makes me think it was a more a directing choice, but I seriously loved it. It felt so very real, and them, and said so much. This episode had a lot of that for me. Who directed this?

I knew Kai was going to win because, duh, Chris Wood/Kai, but aww, Luke. Damnit, I've liked him tons from his very first appearance. Chris Borchu you will be missed (even if your latest hairstyle will not).

Like this actually hurt, and I say that as someone who loves Liv a lot, but I just, I didn't see it coming until it was happening, and I didn't have time to prepare for how much I would miss Luke almost instantly. But I am soooooo excited to see how this Kai/Luke fusion works out. Seriously so excited. I really hope they let Kai just be evil, or perhaps forcefully sacrifice himself or something....but also I want Kai never to leave because I love him so much....but I mostly love him because he's so evil. This is hard for me. This is the first time I think I've really had these issues. I just hope that if they are planning to use this to keep the actor/character around, they make it truly worth it and don't Klaus it up. (Seriously, I think I'd be far less concerned if I didn't see how the Klaus thing played out.) But either way, do your most awesome show! I shall be here!

Two episodes without Bon-bon? Not cool!

I am ready for some Bonnie back in my life, as soon as possible. I miss her so much. Also, this episode in general was missing a lot of characters.... :(

Edited at 2015-01-31 03:55 am (UTC)
Arabian: Damon&Stefan05arabian on February 1st, 2015 11:45 am (UTC)
Re: Part Two - I did! I did write too much!
That is exactly how I read that scene too! It was really beautifully done and told so much with so little.

As I mentioned on the show, the whole Liz/dream landscape of her 'saying goodbye' was one of the most beautifully directed of the show's history.

Yes! That was so wonderful! And maybe it was scripted, though, the lack of focus on it, how casual it happened, makes me think it was a more a directing choice, but I seriously loved it.

Since Rebecca Sonnenshine co-wrote the episode, I'm more inclined to think that it was scripted and that the director, Jeffrey Hunt (who's directed some great episodes--notably "My Brother's Keeper") probably deliberately kept it in the background, casual-like for a few reasons. Firstly, for fans like us because those are the ones it would matter to and I think any like us WOULD catch it and know and feel the significance. And secondly because had it been in your face, it would have been heavy-handed and would have taken away from Liz/Caroline and that would have been wrong for the scene.

I am soooooo excited to see how this Kai/Luke fusion works out. Seriously so excited. I really hope they let Kai just be evil, or perhaps forcefully sacrifice himself or something....but also I want Kai never to leave because I love him so much....but I mostly love him because he's so evil. This is hard for me. This is the first time I think I've really had these issues. I just hope that if they are planning to use this to keep the actor/character around, they make it truly worth it and don't Klaus it up. (Seriously, I think I'd be far less concerned if I didn't see how the Klaus thing played out.) But either way, do your most awesome show! I shall be here!

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

ETA: jairem08's comment below got me thinking: Regarding the merging of Kai and Luke I still think something might have gone differently or wrong as they weren't twins. I know Luke tried to sort of explain why the merge is "fine" but still.

I wonder if Kai *won't* get part of Luke's personality now? Maybe that will be the hinky thing that will come from Luke and Kai not *actually* being twins... Kai won't get Luke's goodness and Kai will still be all Kai. (Man, just looking at this comment, I glanced up at my icon name and thought: 'I want a Kai icon there!')

I am ready for some Bonnie back in my life, as soon as possible. I miss her so much.

Once Bonnie is once more regularly in our midst I expect to see her in shoved in our faces, damnit! I mean SHOVED IN OUR FACES!

Also, this episode in general was missing a lot of characters.... :(

Yup, literally half the cast was missing from this one. Ten series regulars and we were missing Bonnie, Jeremy, Matt, Alaric and Enzo (although, he still doesn't feel like a regular honestly). I think it didn't feel that way until the end because Liz (especially) and Liv feel like regulars at this point. (As do Jo and Kai this season pretty much since Jo's been in 10 of 12 eps and she's been in the last 9 straight, while Kai's been in 9 and except for episode 6 has been in all of them since episode 3.)

Edited at 2015-02-02 06:18 am (UTC)
jairem08jairem08 on February 1st, 2015 01:53 pm (UTC)
Thank you for your fast and great write up - as always
I have to re watch the episode again. Specially because of the amazing DE progress.

Their interaction is so natural. I don't know if they even realize it. Specially Elena She should stop and think about it - or not. Maybe it doesn't even cross her mind. They just are.

And of course the kiss... And the light effect and they are just perfect. I'm sure we will still have proper reunion and hopefully the promised DATE!

Yep and now I wonder where and how will the memories seep in. It could be as mentioned here in comments that it could be magic or perhaps stressful and extreme situation that can trigger it. However we now know that Elena is happy to pursue this thing anyway so that makes it double special - I'm sure the memories will come back and yet there is a relationship developing without any SE ghost over them. Just them getting closer together and Elena falling for Damon.

And the ring- I also think that Jo's magic might falter or Kai might syphon it out and hopefully ring from Damon with Bonnie's magic will make its presence. I will hope for that

Wasn't Damon just adorable? Twinderella - haha; Beautiful Moron; We won't watch silly...that one was actually so sweet.

Regarding the merging of Kai and Luke I still think something might have gone differently or wrong as they weren't twins. I know Luke tried to sort of explain why the merge is "fine" but still.

I suspect that apart from Elena, Caroline and Stefan the rest will blame Damon for Luke's death (Jo, Alaric, Liv). Ric probably will freak out because it could be Jo that merged with Kai.

Damon really cars for Liz and did anything and everything to save her. Even knowing Jo might die and Ric would lose is marbles. He is a thinker, solver an doer. Everyone should kiss his butt.

I'm grateful Liz is alive for now and that Damon's actions at least could rid Caroline of her guilt. Liz will most likely go eventually but we never know.

Stefan and Karoline are amazing. They just have to finally take the next step. I see it as a slow burn and suspect this will only happen towards the end of the season.

Liv/Tyler do absolutely nothing for me. Tyler is redundant to me. The actor is not good enough for me. So is Liv's character and the actress.
They just don't work for me.

And i share the same sentiment with you on Jo/actress. I'm even more irritated by the irrational choices of her over more important people (Ric, hello?)

I'm not sure about the theory of Damon and Stefan's mother. I would love to see her but I'm sure that she would know that they are alive/vamps and perhaps made sure they know and made her appearance. Unless she observed from the distance or there are other circumstances that she hasn't appeared yet. Though it would be quite interesting if you are right.

Curious about next episode. Not a clue what could happen.

Till next time!
Arabian: Damon & Elena48arabian on February 2nd, 2015 06:28 am (UTC)
Their interaction is so natural. I don't know if they even realize it.

I'm sure Damon does, but not Elena.

Yep and now I wonder where and how will the memories seep in.

I don't see how magic will do it, but an extreme situation would be my hope because it goes back to Elena urging Stefan and Damon to overcome compulsion in the past *because* of their love. It would be awesome to see ELENA be the one to overcome compulsion because of her love for Damon, you know?

However we now know that Elena is happy to pursue this thing anyway so that makes it double special

YES! And that's why I've been OK with the memory-away compulsion.

I'm sure the memories will come back and yet there is a relationship developing without any SE ghost over them.

Yes, yes, yes! That's what I've been saying. We are getting Damon/Elena *without* Stefan, *without* the triangle!

And the ring- I also think that Jo's magic might falter or Kai might syphon it out. I will hope for that

I'm really thinking that it will be Kai siphoning the magic out of it *because* they made the big deal out of Elena pleading with him 'no, not the ring' and Kai commenting on the sentimentality attached to such things and her catching on fire in the sun. That all happened for a reason (and, no, S/E'ers, it was not the show's way of having Elena mourn her final romantic connection to Stefan, pfft!)

Wasn't Damon just adorable? Twinderella - haha; Beautiful Moron; We won't watch silly...that one was actually so sweet.

Yes, he was! And, hah! I forgot "Twinderella," that was awesome.

Regarding the merging of Kai and Luke I still think something might have gone differently or wrong as they weren't twins.

Hmm, you're right, I wonder if Kai *won't* get part of Luke's personality now? Maybe that will be the hinky thing that will come from Luke and Kai not *actually* being twins... Kai won't get Luke's goodness and Kai will still be all Kai.

I suspect that apart from Elena, Caroline and Stefan the rest will blame Damon for Luke's death (Jo, Alaric, Liv).

Oh, no doubt.

I'm grateful Liz is alive for now and that Damon's actions at least could rid Caroline of her guilt. Liz will most likely go eventually but we never know.

I'm resigning myself to her departure at this point. Apparently Marguerite McIntyre has been writing more for The Originals and I was still watching the show when she co-wrote her first script for the show and it was really, really good so if that's her thing, I can't blame her (I mean, duh, I consider myself a writer), but it still would REALLY, REALLY suck. And, uhm, why can't she write for The Vampire Diaries?!

Stefan and Karoline are amazing.

Uhm, Caroline with a C! That gives me scary Klaus/Caroline flashbacks!

They just have to finally take the next step. I see it as a slow burn and suspect this will only happen towards the end of the season.

Oh, I want something sooner than that. I want their first kiss in February sweeps. Come on!!!!

Liv/Tyler do absolutely nothing for me. Tyler is redundant to me. The actor is not good enough for me. So is Liv's character and the actress.
They just don't work for me.


Hey, to each their own. For me, I'm thrilled that I finally don't want Tyler to die because it clearly is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! Human-cockroach hybrid, that's Tyler Lockwood.

I'm sure that she would know that they are alive/vamps and perhaps made sure they know and made her appearance. Unless she observed from the distance or there are other circumstances that she hasn't appeared yet.

That's why I said she's in some far-off, hidden place with no clue her sons are vampires. I figure she's been in some remote village that doesn't interact with the outside world which would explain why she hasn't heard of the Salvatore boys. Giuseppe would have only let her live with the promise that she never came back to Mystic Falls and if she had went somewhere and stayed there for 50/60 years, she probably just stayed there beyond that time period because she figured why leave? Works for me, but then... something will bring her out into the world finally and she'll come home. Uh huh!
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Diana: Vampire Diaries - Comfort (E/C)butterfly on February 5th, 2015 04:26 pm (UTC)
Finally got a chance to watch the episode this morning! What with being sick most of last week, and then just not having enough time until now. I'm glad I got the chance before the episode tonight!

Ah, I was so scared there that they'd killed Liz off for real! I was crying quite a bit. I mean, it was a Damon plan, so of course it worked, but I was very worried there for a minute. But then her making Stefan promise to help Caroline move on from her death made me cry again.

I'm sad Luke's dead, but whoever faced off against Kai was going to lose. No way Kai was going to lose in a willpower face-off.

And that's totally fine because that's how a real first kiss should be. And remember their real first kiss (not the kissy-deathbed one), but the one on the porch? That kiss wasn't all that passionate? This was way more passionate because... dun dun dun! No Stefan in the way to muss things up. Now it's just a boy and a girl and the way they feel about each other.

Agreed! I really like the way they're playing out this storyline. The first time around, things were so messy because Elena felt so horrible about her heart not 'staying loyal' to Stefan, and not having that confusion and angst there is very good for her, emotionally.

Without all of that happening, we wouldn't see Stefan so willing to be so open with her. We wouldn't see Stefan so open to not burying emotions and feelings and loss. We wouldn't see Stefan understanding that in order to deal with life you have to actually *deal* with life and not just put up on a pedestal or keep it in a box. But he's getting that now because he loves Caroline and he wants to deal with life with her and for her. Because she deserves it. Especially after the parade of guys she's had to deal with in her past.

Yes! Stefan and Caroline have such brighter emotional prospects than Elena and Stefan ever did, and it's because Elena and Stefan just suffocated themselves and each other in this denial of reality all the time.

I love your theory about Mama Salvatore!

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Arabian: Stefan & Caroline11arabian on February 8th, 2015 07:21 am (UTC)
Ah, I was so scared there that they'd killed Liz off for real! I was crying quite a bit.

Me too, me too!

I mean, it was a Damon plan, so of course it worked, but I was very worried there for a minute.

LOL! Right, of course, it worked. We shouldn't have doubted.

I'm sad Luke's dead, but whoever faced off against Kai was going to lose. No way Kai was going to lose in a willpower face-off.

True dat!

I really like the way they're playing out this storyline. The first time around, things were so messy because Elena felt so horrible about her heart not 'staying loyal' to Stefan, and not having that confusion and angst there is very good for her, emotionally.

And very, very good for Damon/Elena fans, hehehehehe!

Yes! Stefan and Caroline have such brighter emotional prospects than Elena and Stefan ever did, and it's because Elena and Stefan just suffocated themselves and each other in this denial of reality all the time.

Exactly! Stefan and Elena were so very unhealthy and Stefan and Caroline (and Damon and Elena) are the opposite of that--I'd even say that Stefan and Caroline are healthier than Damon and Elena (but that's part of their allure honestly).

I love your theory about Mama Salvatore!

I wish!
Bogwitchbogwitch on February 6th, 2015 12:32 am (UTC)
While I agree about the synch thing, Damon did actually make Elena even later for her shift in the first scene, and that was before he pulled her back to ask for a date.

It never would have occurred to me to have Kai remove the magic from Liz to fix Caroline’s mistake. Yeah, he is a bit of a deus ex machina, but he is a man with a rather useful skill, they might as well use it! However, as much as I love seeing Damon care about Liz, I do wonder if it was a little foolhardy to call him to the hospital and leave Kai alone long enough to wake up, thus giving Tyler an opportunity to interfere. Plot over logic again.

I’m glad Elena’s memories didn’t return with the kiss and I wasn’t expecting them to, that would have been far too corny – TVD never works like that and for that I am glad.

Hmm, you start to thaw about Tyler, just as I totally lose interest in him! I don’t want him gone especially, I just don’t care.

>>>tell me I'm not the only one who thought, aha! Mama Salvatore is totes a vampire!!!

You’re not, but I don’t think anyone is actually expecting it to happen at the moment.

>>Alas, this means that Liz still has cancer and I don't know that just killing her by other means and turning her would work because then wouldn't the vampire blood go to work on her cancer cells? Probably. Damnit, we're going to lose Liz aren't we? Damnit.

I am expecting to lose Liz, but I hadn’t thought of that problem. Basically, this episode was about discounting vampirism as a solution.

>>Erm, uhm, Damon would leave Elena then, really? He's been waiting this long to get her in his arms and he takes off then? Really? OK, fine, I guess since they were kinda dealing with everything, Elena sent him off to check things out after they finished sucking face for a bit.

My thoughts exactly.

Will the merge make Kai gay (bi?)????
Arabian: Damon & Elena45arabian on February 8th, 2015 07:27 am (UTC)
While I agree about the synch thing, Damon did actually make Elena even later for her shift in the first scene, and that was before he pulled her back to ask for a date.

What does making her late for work have to do with them being in synch? Damon doesn't know her work schedule as of yet? And it wasn't even her work schedule, she picked up an extra shift.

I do wonder if it was a little foolhardy to call him to the hospital and leave Kai alone long enough to wake up, thus giving Tyler an opportunity to interfere. Plot over logic again.

Damon didn't leave Kai alone long enough to wake up, Kai was on a drip to stay throroughly knocked out. Damon was just there as extra insurance. Tyler was going to actually stick something in Kai TO wake him up. Why would Damon think that anyone who knew about Kai being there (their little merry band) would possibly come and wake Kai up? There was no lapse in logic there.

You’re not, but I don’t think anyone is actually expecting it to happen at the moment.

I'm not expecting it to happen at the moment either, but more towards the end of the season, possibly next season.

Will the merge make Kai gay (bi?)???

I think this episode gave us that answer (no), but I guess it's still possible.